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Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm having fun. I don't ever get to talk
to PGA Tour players, so this is a lot of
fun for me.
Speaker 6: Thank you, all right, talk for me too, good.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I'm real curious to talk about your game, specifically
about your game. We've talked about your history and things
and having a tour, a caddy on tour, what kind
of changes that does for you. But I'm curious what
it's like. Well, here's here's an interesting one. So in
twenty twelve, you may or may not know this, Matt,
but according to the statistics online you earned nearly two
million dollars.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, not bad for a couple of years
out of college. But you know, when you get into athletics,
you know, you college golfers, you probably had some really
stiff competition, but getting into the tour a completely different beast. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, well, for one, what you did in
college is just doesn't matter anymore. It's not like the NFL,
where if you're the best out of college, I mean
you're set, you know, I mean, if you don't perform
money wise, you're set. So it's different that way.
Speaker 1: You also talked about before that when you were in college,
it's like carte blanche that you had your own the
team had a jet to take you to different tournaments,
and and someone was there carrying your bags and stuff.
And then all of a sudden, it's like when you
when you you know, graduate from high school to college,
you're a freshman again. When you graduate from college and
you go out in the real world, you're a rookie again.
What what are the big differences being a PGA tour
player versus being an elite college player.
Speaker 6: Well, being a PGA Tour player is awesome, But you
know there's not always you know, not every pro offer
is on the PGA Tour. Now, if you're on the tour,
there's not much of a transition. I mean it. Uh
we flew private in college because we were the let
to use the university's jackets. We're the smallest team or
the only team I could do that really, I mean
the tennis team. But you know, if you have a
PGA tour, you're flying good. I mean, you know, it's
not It's not the worst thing the world to fly commercial.
I mean I fly it all the time, but uh,
it's it's great.
Speaker 1: So you are flying commercial?
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I might hit to ride every now somebody's playing.
Speaker 1: Like who you who have you had to ride with?
Speaker 6: Oh? Man, I guess uh.
Speaker 1: You mind me asking?
Speaker 6: Is that okay? Robert Garrigus, Uh.
Speaker 1: And these are guys with their own planes.
Speaker 6: I think they know a lot of guys just rent
hours by by hours and yeah that way. I don't think. Really,
I don't even know if anybody else around playing. I'm
sure Tigers and until but uh, I'm like a no
on guy out there. I don't think anybody's un jets.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of upkeep, and and with with two
million dollars in earnings, I'm just gonna keep throwing it
in your face. What kind of expenses I mean do
you do. Obviously you're going to have a bunch of
overhead two million. They throw this number of two million,
but that's probably not what you're taking home by the
end of the year.
Speaker 6: We baker coun million dollars. I mean, there's all kinds
of stuff. Depends how you want to live out there.
I mean, if you want to stay in nice places,
you know, it might be one hundred and fifteen hundred
dollars a night hotel minimums in some weeks. And if
you want to grind and save money, uh, you can
live cheap out there. But you know, the expenses as
far as like a trainer, like if as trainers teachers,
you're gonna pay a caddy, you know, travel and if
you're going around with the family too, I mean, you
know you've got another person you're taking care of, so
expenses they add up fast out there, for sure. But
you know, if you don't finish in the top like
one fifty, I mean you're not making much money out there.
You might make like fifty you know, fifty grand, but
for the number that says, you'd think he'd made a
lot more.
Speaker 1: And you're a new dad a little boy. I don't know,
I've been married probably not too long.
Speaker 6: Three years, little three years.
Speaker 1: Okay, So does your wife and now son travel with
you as well or not there yet?
Speaker 6: He uh traveled a little. He was born on July
fourth this year. Then, uh, and the first tournament he
came to was the Boston Playoff Line at George S.
Brank and uh, her mom and her flew up with him,
and it went pretty easy. He was so young, but
on the plane like he just didn't care, you know,
I mean, he was just sleeping. So Daddy went yeah.
But and then he's, uh, we drove to Disney a
couple of weeks ago. I stayed on there with me
all week.
Speaker 1: And so those expenses have to you know, these add up, obviously,
and they cut into your your earnings. But what does
that do having those kind of distractions do for your game?
You know, as you're going through a tournament. I mean,
I mean, I've got to believe that when you're playing
a four day tournament, you know, the at the end
of each round, that are you playing it back in
your head and thinking about what you did wrong, what
you want to correct, and different parts on the course.
Because you're playing the same course every day. What happens
at night for you after each round when you're on
the tour.
Speaker 6: Uh, well, everyone's different. I'm asking that, okay, perfect, Well,
I'll tell you I when I get done, it is,
I might go to the range five percent of the time.
After I'm done. I don't like to practice after I'm
usually ready to ready to leave. And because the round
stick for a route there you're out there, including your
warm up, for about six and a half seven hours,
and it's just you're you're mentally fried usually when you're done,
especially if you're in contention, and uh, it's I don't
I know that. When I go home, I'm gonna eat
dinner with my friend. My family's out, I wrote them,
even with my friends, we're gonna have a good time.
And then I might think about, you know, my around
then when I'm relaxed and can think about it, and
usually I know the changes I need to make, and
I'm good enough to make them a bit stay on
the range. I don't need to be there after practice
I practice in my whole life. You know. Some guys
are totally different, though. Some guys will stay there until
dark every day, and that's just not me. I can't
do it.
Speaker 1: Do you spend a lot of time practicing when you're
not competing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely do that. I mean I'm not like
today I was out. I mean I practiced from eight
thirty to right before I start talking to you. So
about three o'clock.
Speaker 1: And and what what do you do to focus your practice?
And what kind of practice do you do? Are you
working on everything or do you say, all right today,
I'm just going to focus on fifty yards and end.
Speaker 6: I don't do that. Some guys do it, But I
work on everything every day. I mean, like, you know,
the add kicks in sometimes and I just can't sit
there and hit the same shot all the time. I
have to you know, like my divit like this is
a great way to spread it. How I play my
dibots on the range. Everyone will take a nice neat square,
you know, off the range hit My dibits are all
over the place. I never have a pattern there. The
ball goes in a different place, I'll teet it right
behind the next divit. You know, have you ever been
to a tool of it? You go to the range
and all the debit patterns are like perfect perfect rectangles
or something like that. Like I hit balls from all
over the range just because I can't sit there and
do it.
Speaker 1: Oh, Matt, thank you so much for giving us permission
to not do it that way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and actually the greensekeepers like it better if you
do that. Really Yeah, I would say it's easier to
grow back if you don't do it all in one area,
if you kind of scatter it out a little bit.
Speaker 1: So then why do players do that?
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, anything it looks cool. I probably
are their robots.
Speaker 1: Oh well, please hold don't hold back just because of me. Man,
you can say whatever you'd like. I don't mind. It's
only a podcast. And so you're out there practicing everything
and every day and like a certain amount of time
or until you're saying, okay, I got that and I'm
done with that today, I'll do I'll work on that again.
Speaker 6: A normal like when I'm not traveling, I'm a normal person.
So if I have stuff to do that day, like
if my wife needs me to do something, or you know,
if she's going to get something done. She needs you
to watch your kid. I mean, I will do that first.
I would rather do that, I mean all the time.
But if something is lacking, then yeah, I'm gonna go
work on it because it's my job, you know. I mean,
I know what the right amount of attention is for
me and what too much is. Like I mean, I'm
not out here every day nine to five, and like,
I don't treat it like a ninety five job. I
think it would do me a disservice to do that.
So I just kind of do whatever feels right when
it's right. I don't want to leave it.
Speaker 1: And do you work with a coach on a regular
basis as well?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And so does your coach create a game plan for
you on your practice sessions or leaves you alone just
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Speaker 6: Yeah, like the whole add thing again, Like I just don't.
You can't tell me to do one thing, like I don't.
I don't like he like, because I'm not gonna I
might do it for ten minutes, but then I'm totally
off the topics, you know.
Speaker 3: So I just.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I kind of I do my own thing.
He tries some times he tries to give me like
this game plan and stuff and what are your goals,
and that I don't do goals. You know, I do
do it. I'd try my best and then whatever it
ends up, it ends up. But like a goal center, so.
Speaker 1: You're living your life one shot at a time. Oh yeah,
m hmm, boy do I relate.
Speaker 6: But it's like my strength is getting over mat shots.
I mean that my all. Like it's not putting and
grabbing anything. It's it's being able to forget the last
swing because it just doesn't matter anymore. And I am
it's it's a big waste energy thinking about it.
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Speaker 1: I'm real curious to pursue that getting over bad shots.
I mean, like instantly you're done.
Speaker 6: Well, you can't make a committed swing on the next
shot if you hit a bad shot the shot before
and you're still thinking about it, Yeah, there's no way
you're gonna make a committed swing at the next one,
like like I said, like I said, I mean, I
would so much rather hit a committed bad shot than
to d sl and bail, Like if there's water left
and a pen left, I would rather hit it in
the water as this may sound, barely and be close
to a good shot, then bail out right and make
you know, not get up and down and make buggy
like that would really that would bother me, you know, yeah,
but I would if I don't know. Ever since I
adopted that, it's been great. So really hit a lot
of a lot more good shots, uh, under the gun
with that mentality.
Speaker 1: And when you are in a committed shot, but it
is it hits the water barely, like you just said,
it barely hits the water, do you step back and
go run club?
Speaker 6: No, I mean I know what, I immediately know what
like if it's too. You know, if I made a mistake,
I know what. I'm the one who does it. I
mean I've done in my whole life, so I know
immediately while you're a little quick at the top there,
you know, or or this or we had to win
wrong or something like that. But I always know what
it is, and I don't I don't dwell on it.
I mean it's just not it's you don't have time
to dwell on it out there. I mean it's a
slow moving game, but before you know, it's the next
shots up, and if you keep thinking about it, you're
going to be off the tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and your you you must hate the pace
of PGA play or are you just used to it?
Speaker 6: I've gotten used to it. I mean there's the problem
is there's no incentive for anyone to play fast, so
why would they play. I mean the fines are like
I think it's like twenty grand for if you have
ten bad times, and you really have to be slating
at ten bad times, right, But the guys who are
playing slow, they don't care about you know, ten or
twenty grand. I mean that's not worth it's not worth,
that's not worth it for them to speed up because
their games might change and then they're off the door.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, what about And I want to
get into like club selection, club distances and things like that,
especially in these committed shots, you know, taking these and
going right after it. I was having a conversation on
one of our recent episodes with with the Wedge Guy.
We have this guy, Terry Taylor's The Wedge Guy makes
a great product called The of Wedges. He has a
set of wedges, and he his whole thing is treating
it as if you're like, you're nine iron is more
of a wedge than it is like a five iron, right,
So he designs these nine through sand and lob wedges,
you know, set of five wedges. Anyway, and we were
talking about if you I was like, if you had
a chance to ask a PGA tour player, what would
you ask him? He says, like, so a couple of
these questions like what are the distances you hit your
nine iron and your pitching wedge? Curious?
Speaker 6: And I mean mine, like it's as so much to
do as the weather, I mean the temperature everything, Like
like if it's like today, it's perfect out here today
and I could probably hit a pitching wedge stock not
not you know, trying to nail it one hundred and
thirty five yards. A nine iron is probably one point fifty,
but those clubs can fluctuate the other way ten yards
either way, depending on the weather and the land and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Of course. I mean that's golf, right, right, Yeah, you
gotta you gotta take everything and it can. That's why,
that's why playing for money makes me crazy, because I
feel like I'm competing with so many other things. Why
bring money into it too? Yeah, that just that just
puts me over the top. It's like, I got to
deal with the weather and the ground and the club
and you know, uphill and I'm on a you know
an even lie. There's just too much going on at
any given time, and I want to do that. So
so here you have a nine iron one fifty. Uh,
the pitch one thirty five, all things being perfect, right,
all conditions being perfect. Let's just say you're at the
one thirty five one fifty. What do you do for
a one forty three shot? I mean, what do you
do on your in betweens? Do you pull?
Speaker 6: There's a couple of things you have to take into consideration.
Where is where is this? Okay? So if it's a
back pin, okay, well, all right, I'll give you I'll
give you a good example. So you got a one
shot and the and the pen is in the back,
and the greens are firm, you're going to hit a
wedge because you can't fly it to the pin because
then it's going to hop over the green. But say
the greens are a wet, then you know, you might
be able to get it there. But if you nail it,
it's gonna have so much spin on it, it's gonna
come backwards and then you're gonna have like three feet
up pill. Well, if it's wet greens and back pin
and you take the nine and you just kind of
you know, I mean, it's hard to teach people how
to hit it hard and soft. The biggest thing I
would say when people try to start, you know, finagling
the speed of the swing, just make sure you keep
swinging with your body, you know, don't just get armsy
and handsy with it. It's the whole lot. He has
to keep moving. You don't stop and get handy to
you know, try and enagle loft and stuff like that.
So big, use your big muscles. That's what I think
about when I'm trying to take some off, use my
big muscles, but shorten.
Speaker 1: It up lowbo awesome. So now let's kind of pick
into that a little bit. Uh, how do you do
you look at your stats? Do you care about your
dats at all? Or is it just shot all right? Interesting?
It just doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 6: You can't lie to yourself. I mean, if you are,
you're an idiot. You know, I know what I know
what I need to work on. I mean, what do
you need to work on it? I don't need it.
Oh man, driving accuracy, Like if I if I drive
it good, I'll usually play good. Because I'm a great
iron player. I'm the middle irons or I think they're
probably I think they're roll pass I mean that's when
it's good. It's so cool to watch. But uh, and
then everyone can always work on their punting because you
can never be a good enough putter. I mean, you
can just clean up. You can hide so much stuff.
Button good, you know what I mean? Yeah, just save shots.
That's where you saved the shots.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I was I was looking at
your stats on the PGA website and according to some
of these numbers. And I'd love for you to dispute
this or tell me hear your surprise on this for
par four and I guess these are your two. Yeah,
twenty twelve stats par four you were first and Birdie
or better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's cool. I guarantee you that go back to
committed and not worrying about the result, because those things
turn out good more than they turn out bad. And
I don't like to play away from pens and stuff,
so I think don't really, I mean, it's it's cool
to hear I didn't. I didn't know that, but I
mean that's what I would attribute it too.
Speaker 1: So do you think you were that good on par
five's as well?
Speaker 6: No, it's freaking horrible.
Speaker 1: Actually, you are corrector you are corrector you are awful
on par five day rank you is one hundred and
forty third on fivenny Man.
Speaker 6: So U I always catch to my buddies, h you know,
because I'll be at home watching me play and then
you know, scorecard, I'll be playing good. Make a bogey
on a part five and it's unbelievable how they happen.
I mean, it's just it's just it just happens. I mean,
it's unbelievable, like I'll I'll hit two good shots and
then you know four pot or just do something so
stupid and or lay up and you know, hit a
bad ways and before you know it, it's bogie and
it's like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this.
But I don't know what it is. I might slip
up a little on my focus on because I think
it's just gonna be an easy birdie, but it is.
It's annoying to play as bad.
Speaker 1: Are you better at your first part or your second putt?
Speaker 6: That's a good questions, thank you. I don't know. I
don't know. I mean hopefully I don't have too many
second parts like.
Speaker 1: The one right exactly.
Speaker 6: It's just it's hard, man, because the Greens that the normal,
you know, the general public play missing a short part,
you never have to worry about the next one. But
out here it's like you missed a three footer and
then next thing you know, you have a four footer
and you just missed the three footer and it's like,
oh my god. I mean, I just hope this goes in.
I'm definitely not like that out there, right, and it's
not nerves. It's just it's just some days it's now
your day and the ball has done go in the hole.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, overall birdie average, you're ranked thirteenth, which
is awesome, but I guess that's because of that par
four situation of being ranked first. But like I said,
par five and forty third, par three's you're ranked one
hundred and sixteenth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's being aggressive. I mean, that's why I play.
I mean, I can't play another conservative player. I mean,
it's just not for me. I feel like I'm good
enough to play aggressive, Like I don't need to play,
which you might think it's the other way around, but
like I feel like I hit the ball consistent enough
to where I can take better lines and stuff like that.
So maybe next year it'll be a little better. But
those stats, I mean, you can read it into them
what you want. Yeah, some of those people out there
punching the and they're volunteering and that's great, but some
of them never play golf before and they get out
there and they're just sitting. You know. I'll look up
at the board and they'll say, Matt every has you know,
eight feet seven inches for par and I've got like
a four footer for par I was like, this is
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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating a part four you obviously you
want to be better at Part four is than Part
three and part five because there's so much more yeah them, yeah, yeah, yeah,
being overly aggressive. But you're where is another stat here?
I found so interesting about your game here it is
your greens in percent, your greens and regulation. You are
amazing from one hundred and seventy five to two hundred
yards your fourth ranking. That's good, right, But your short game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's just you know, if you look
at everybody's stats, there's always going to be a weakness. Yeah,
that's my week. That's just what if you're good, if
you're good in another area, it's usually you're not going
to be good. Like like the best cutters in the world,
they're not they're I mean if they were the best
ball strikers too, then they're then their top five in
the world. I mean, it's just the way it is.
They Usually good putters do not hit up very well
and they have to fuck it or else they want
with job, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm are you uh? Are you someone who like
has the same petter that you've had since you were
nine years old?
Speaker 6: Or do you go through now I'm all over the
place some of the I'm I had six top tens
this year and i'll six So money is different putter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And do you spend a lot of time practicing
with each one or what makes you decide Yeah, I'm
done with this. This sucks.
Speaker 6: Well. Every week they have reps, you know, like all
the big companies come out instead of stop bag on
the putting green at THEVD and the blue putters in there,
And if I'm not feeling it with the one I'm using,
I'll just walk up and grab one it. If it
looks good, I'll go with it.
Speaker 1: H And So it's none of that's in your head.
You're just I mean, what you'd like. It's it's this
putter's fault. It's not me.
Speaker 6: Huh nah, I'm not like that.
Speaker 1: You take full responsibility.
Speaker 6: Yeah, usually I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you so if you're hitting, I mean you're
obviously hitting much farther than most amateurs. When you're hitting
pitching wedge one hundred and thirty five yards? Do you
use your lob wedge much? Do you use a sixty
degree club very much? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Around the grands all the time? Use I use
it a lot. Yeah, eighty yards and.
Speaker 1: Then eighty yards and in en So what do you
do for Do you strategically position yourself so you don't
have shots inside of eighty yards or do it's like
you just hit.
Speaker 6: It as pin because that's like the widest part of
the fairway or where the pen is and stuff like that.
But I'm not I don't have like a bread and
butter yardage. I mean it's it's, uh, it is nicer
to have a fuller shot, but I feel like I'm
good enough to wear fifty to one hundred yards really
doesn't matter. I mean, I would like to be fit,
you know, I mean, because it's closer. Again, it's it's
it depends up front and it's hard greens, and I
don't want to be at fifty because I can't get
any spin on it.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, yeah, and and do you feel like, uh,
you put me within you know, one hundred yards, it's
two shots to get in the cup?
Speaker 6: Are yeah? Yeah, I mean ultimately that's what you want
on that conditions. Yeah, I mean I want to get
up and down in all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, up and down from that point, I mean
that that would be the ultimate goal here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but you need some work on that. Not that I'm
head coach or anything. I'm just looking at these random statistics,
which yeah, yeah, right, exactly, stop looking at the stats.
Talk about what clubs you carry? How many wedges do
you carry? And strangely enough, I am finding this interesting.
Speaker 6: I don't actually care wedges.
Speaker 1: You do care.
Speaker 6: Sixty actually, I think there's sixty to fifty six, fifty two,
and then it goes into Pitcheon wags, which is like
forty seven that's and that runs into I can play
Cleveland wedges and the bridget irons and the and then
I go wedge through three and then a three driver hybrids.
Speaker 1: No hybrids left from why.
Speaker 6: I just I feel like I swing too hard or
I have too much club head speed to for sweepers.
And I don't know. I would rather the the RNA
and the USCA band hybrids than belly potter. I think
the hybrids do way more for uh an inferior golfer.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: You can hide so much like I mean, some of
guys out they don't even have flyings in their backs.
They're using like you know, the seven hybrid or stuff
like that. It's and yellow golf balls. It's kind of
an embarrassed things like did you're on the PGA tour
you got four irons in your bag and you're playing
a yellow golf ball.
Speaker 1: Don't don't do that? Are you playing? Are you? Do
you change your clubs like you change your buttters?
Speaker 6: No, I have the same irons. I mean they have
to make me change irons like bridge Stone, you know
both send me the same senior iron just in your head,
just a new head because I like it so much.
And then the ball only change ball when they change ball.
When they come out the new ball, I'll play it.
But the sneaky with golf Ball company.
Speaker 1: Do you coach at all?
Speaker 6: No? I mean I would be a horrible coach. What
I think I would be a good coach for a good,
good player. But it was like a fifteen handicap coming
to me. I don't think I would do. I don't
think i'd be that good just because I mean I
never see it. You know, like I could see what's
wrong in a golf swing if it's fluid, and you know,
I could be able to tell, like, this is what
he's doing, because I probably have some of the same problems.
But in like an ayit or like a guy who
just starts off, or like you know, fifteen any tap,
there's so much going on. It's like where do you start?
Speaker 1: You know, right right? And where would you when in
correcting your instead of watching somebody else, do you look
at video of yourself?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: How do you determine what's working what's not working for
you at any given time?
Speaker 6: You just know, you can tell through the ball if
everything's moving together. You know, usually if it's not, something
stops and contacts off a little bit. I know when
I'm my body is moving right, and then I don't know.
I mean, you just know.
Speaker 1: If you could hit one more birdy a week, what
would that do to your game? Your life?
Speaker 6: How that one shot better a week?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean it would It would be great. I mean really,
that's what that's what we all strive to do, though,
is just one better week. I mean, it doesn't matter
if it's on the last hole or the third hole
of the tournament. You know, it's just every shot out
there it's huge. I have a sarcastic thing I like
to say when a uh, you know, I miss so
short punt. It's just one shot, you know, But it's
one shot is so big, you know, but you're just
you know, just a shot, you know, like it was huge.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a shot, yeah, yeah, but one shot
can really it could be everything. And financially it could
be everything for you. I mean it could make yeah,
but I.
Speaker 6: Mean for the tournament it could be everything too. I mean, now,
like you know, if you have a five footer downhill
and the difference between you making it and then you
three putting is I mean, it's like, if you make
that part, it's a momentum keeper. You know, your round
is still on track. If you miss and you got
five feet coming back and you miss that, it's like,
oh my god, I just threw it two shots like
this is this is It's not the end of the world.
But this sucks, you know, mm hmm, yeah it does.
Speaker 1: And and then you know, you start. Do you put
a lot of pressure on yourself? Are you the kind
of person that beats yourself up if you're not playing
to your own potential?
Speaker 6: Man? I mean kind of both. I do get mad
at myself when I don't play to my potential, but
I wouldn't say i'd beat myself up. I mean, I
am very critical of my game. I know where's and
like I said, you know, if you lie to yourself,
you're an idiot.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 6: I know when it's good and when it's not good.
And that's a tough question.
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Speaker 1: Can we spend another minute talking about Alpha Brain and
what it's done for your game? And well, you know
you've admitted having add I'm curious of what it's also
done for your life and in addition to what it's
done for your game.
Speaker 6: Well, it's been huge. Like I said, let's start taking
it in January. The best year of my life, Like
not even close, I mean the best year of my life.
Speaker 1: Are you really you feel that that's a contributing factor.
Speaker 6: I definitely feel like it is. I mean, I'm just
I'm just a better person on it. I stopped taking
adderall because it was a instead I mean and right, yeah,
it's it's banned. I mean you can get it to
you for it, but there's a big process you have
to go through and uh and you know it's not
good for your body, and uh, well it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Because adderall you've probably had that because you were diagnosed
as a kid. You've probably been on adderall for or
even riddling for quite a while.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well no I was on it. No, actually I wasn't.
I got diagnosed. I was out of college four Yeah,
I was on it for about a year and stop
taking it. And they wanted me to try this product
culture Terra. And because it wasn't an infront of me
and it wasn't on the band such as us and
I tried it and I hated it, and just one
for me and my head eggs on it. And you said,
this stuff is on the day. It's all natural and
it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: You feel great. You mean, you feel clean and crisp
and and going to I'm telling you that you're not tired,
but when you want to go to sleep, your body
is so clean, and you're like, I can't wait to sleep.
Like I'm not tired, but I can't wait to sleep.
And that's for me. That's a really cool part of
it that some people don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, what about like life on the tour. You've got
to you've got to adjust on your sleeping conditions. You've
got to adjust on your eating conditions. You you know,
on the amount of social time that you have when
you're on tour. All those things can definitely have a
negative impact on your play. Oh you know four days
in a row over a weekend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you eat that during the week, you know
it on about Friday or Saturday. I mean, you feel
like crafts. So putting things in your body is a
huge part of it out there.
Speaker 1: And uh, and you're you're thinking Alpha brain right now
is one of those things. I love that.
Speaker 6: And the new hemp protein.
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, awesome, that stuff is awesome.
Speaker 6: I've sampled numerous hemp proteins and they've all tasted like
they found and uh, this one tastes. It's the best
taste of the one I've tried so far, and it's
it's good for you too.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: In the literature on Alpha Brain they talk about the
natural ingredients and one of them a C eleven rain
forest supererb. I like that. I don't know what it means,
but I like it. Yeah, no, powerful DNA repair any occidant.
And then there's the one I have to try to
learn how to pronounce this powerful DNA repair any occidant.
Uh phosphid titles serene and I hope that's pronounced. But
there's a long list of these natural ingredients that make
up what is a really, really impressive product for golfers,
and it's just being discovered by golfers. You're one of
the first guys on the tour to be using Alpha Brain.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, actually they are one of their friends, the
guys who make it. His name is Dusting Garza and
he he's the golfers on the toys right now trying
to make it up. And he he introduced me to them,
and I know that I know the guys and I
trust their research. Like, I don't know what these these
ingredients you're saying do, but they work for me. Man,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know, right yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh, And it is kind of new to the golfing community,
but it's getting out there. I've had and I've had
on it on my bag for almost the whole year.
And I had Dean Wilson the other day come to
me and he listens to Joe Rogan podcast and he
is like, you, I heard you take on it. You know,
how is that stuff I've been taking. I just started
taking the Alpha Brain and uh, you know Jim Jim
uh and swears by it and blah blah blah. And
I was like, yeah, man, that's awesome. And so, you know,
guys are slowly starting to hear about it, but you're
going to be hearing about it a lot here in
the next year. It's going to make a difference.
Speaker 1: Well. One of the things they say about it, and
I was having a conversation with my friend about this.
It says, enhance your synaptic plasticity. And I'm looking at
him like what what does that mean? But he was like, oh,
you're kidding. Synaptic plasticity, dude, are you You're not on that.
I'm like, what are you talking about? And basically, in
relation to golf, it's how you can you can have
your thoughts be reshaped, meaning like you come up to
that shot that always scares the crap out of you,
or you always hit it in the water, you always
hit in the bunker type of thing. It's like, oh no,
not this shot again. But this is the kind of
herb that helps you go, I can get past this.
This is not going to be a problem for me
this time. And you can create your thoughts and change
your thoughts, but this enhances it and enforces it. That's
like that alone for any golfer would be an amazing
product to give a try. Right. Raisor focus they say,
and mental drive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, chierge and it's not that expensive and it's it's
worth every penny. Yeah.
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link for Alpha Brain by on it Labs. If you
click on their link at golf Smarter dot com you
can get a discount and also know that you can
also get free gifts if you buy the ninety count
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bottle does not last all that long.
Speaker 6: For you, Yeah, just under a month.
Speaker 1: If you buy that ninety count bottle, you'll also receive
a golf towel and a set of teas. That's a
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Smarter check out code, get your ten percent off, order
the ninety count out, get the golf towel on the tees,
but definitely try it out. I mean, we've talked to Matt,
We've learned a lot about his game, and you've heard
him talk about this stuff. It's not so much and
this is what I love about it. It's not so much
they're paying you to do this. You're doing this because
you believe in this product and it's helped here. You
are you saying the best year of your career?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well by far, it's not. It's literally I think
I made five hundred thousand two years ago, went on
the tour and I made two million this year in
I took two months off I was born, so full year.
Speaker 1: Wow. I guess that anybody would like to take their
the salary increase from fifty thousand to two million in one.
Speaker 6: Year, not bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred thousand even still five hundred thousand. That's
still four times, four times as much. And I'm sure
that you didn't well having a kid, but you still
didn't increase your your your expenses by four times. So
that's got to help.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: So one last question, I'm curious when you were coming,
when you're going through college and you were having a
successful college career and you were named College Amateur of
the Year, getting the Ben Hogan Award, were you did
you have a major other than golf in college?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean it was, uh what was it called? I
think it was called commercial recreation. It was I thought
it was the first stay. I went in there, and
you have to decide, you know, like even your counselor like,
all right, what are you goingly a major to be?
I'm like, whatever has the least amount of math in it. So, uh,
that's what it was, And so I did it. And
for I was like twelve credit hour short, but you
know I was that meant six more months in school,
and I was the best player, was one of the
best players coming out of college, and it just it
wasn't hard for me to go back. I just went
out and played.
Speaker 1: Did you graduate twelve hour short?
Speaker 6: Four years there?
Speaker 1: H Do you ever? I mean, is there a plan
B for you once your golf career is over? Or
do you hope that there is no plan?
Speaker 6: I don't plan on it. I mean, I'm sure if
someone or something, but I always that's funny you said that.
I always, uh, like in high school when they'd have
these people come talk, you know, in thesemblies, people come
talk to you and they'd be an athlete or something
like okay, well you know, only like you know, point
zero something percent of you will make it to play
pro sports and get a backup plan on like such bs.
I mean, if you if you only have a backup
plan in your mind, that's probably where you're gonna.
Speaker 7: End up doing.
Speaker 6: You know, so I never had a backup plan. Like
I couldn't even tell you what kind of job I
would have got with commercial recreation degree, And I mean
I just it was all about, as always, I'm gonna
be on the PGA tour, and it's worked out that way, man.
Speaker 1: So well, lucky for you. That's great, yeah, because you
know a lot of people have that, especially you know,
when you're when you're the stud athlete coming through high
school in the college and thinking I'm you know, and
then oh my gosh, people get injured. Oh my gosh,
you really aren't that good. So to have that in
your mind, and there's a lot of kids who are
incredibly confident. I'm not gonna use the word cocky, but
there are a lot of kids who are incredibly confident
about their abilities until they're faced with the reality of
lou Gee, I guess I'm just kind of okay, especially
when you get to a professional level, so like like here,
so you you get all this attention, you get Amateur
Player of the Year, you get All American, you get
SEC conference titles and all all this stuff. Even then
you come out on your rookie year and you get
Rookie of the Year whether you know it or not,
and you get you know, there's articles written about you,
and you're interviewed on TV, and now all of a
sudden you're in your second third, fourth year, you're a journeyman,
and you're not getting that kind of attention. You know,
you're on a podcast. But I mean, it's has it
slowed down for you in the sense of okay, I
am a professional golfer, now what.
Speaker 6: Or well it's I mean, you can make it slow
down and you can make it go faster. I mean,
I'm I would say, like my physically, I've spent. I've spent.
I'm always going to be fast, like my swaying, the
way I walk, you know, just everything about me on
the outside, but on the inside, I try and like
I don't, I don't. I try to make things not
difficult for me, Like I don't have Uh, I'm not
a big social media guy. I'm not on Facebook. I'm
on Twitter, but it's it's a new thing for me.
But I just I don't it's not Uh. Some guys
get get high off of, you know, having social media
and Twitter and stuff like that, and it's just not.
It's not for me some other kind of person I am.
So if you want to know something, I'll tell you
that it's not. I mean, I'm not going to like voluntar,
you know what, I mean it's just oh yeah, I
like to live my life, you know.
Speaker 1: And and you're going to continue to do that and
live your life with your wife and your child and
and maybe.
Speaker 6: More attention the tension. I don't need the attention that
I got when I got into college. And it's not
like it made me a better person. I mean, it's
just I know it's important. I know what is important
right now, and it's not creating attention for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's just focusing on your game, focusing on
what you need to improve on. H Well, listen, you know, uh,
in setting up this interview with you, I had to
not only talk to the folks that on it Labs
who helped us get this together, but we had to
you know, talk to your agents and just to let
you know. You may not know it, but there is
a Matt every Facebook page.
Speaker 6: Well that's nice to me. I uh, somebody the other
day we're hitting balls and he was telling me about
like Instagram and like, what's that? He told me what
it is and he answer me kind of Facebook And
I said, no right now, I don't and he's like,
oh no, And I said, because I have like twelve
real friends not five hundred and fifty fake ones. You
know the way I like it, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well listen, we I invite everybody to
follow Matt every very closely on tour because he's going
to continue to climb every year and make more money
and make more attention for himself. And you can always
talk about the time that you heard him on the
Gulf Smarter podcast. Matt, I really appreciate you giving me
so much time here, and hopefully we can we can
talk at the end of seasons or maybe during seasons
and see how you're doing.
Speaker 6: I don't open whatever, man, so I want to have me.
I'd love to come.
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