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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Jesse sovi here and Victor Nuno.
Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno, you
know us. If you tuned in here, you probably know
this could be your first episode. If so, Victor, how
you doing and what would you tell people?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: I would tell people thanks for being here and got
another great episode for you.
Speaker 1: How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Yeah. It's always great talking prospects, talking
fantasy hockey, talking dynasty hockey with you. It's been active
times trading in our leagues. You've blown up a few
ones and we're gonna have some trading to talk about today,
so I'm pretty fired up for that too.
Speaker 4: Absolutely to the season for the trade deadline and fantasy leagues.
We have ours a little bit early, as we'll mention,
so this hopefully will be informative for everyone. A lot
of leagues I know have their trade deadline much later,
so hopefully that will continue to inform other leagues, But yeah,
this is a it's a good time to take some
reflection and also just to talk about all these great players.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, we do ours early so you don't
have to people. That's a sacrifice for making for you.
So yeah, Victor, I say, we get into the business
here right after this. You're gonna here with our three
man booth. What's coming up?
Speaker 6: Welcome back everyone, and we are a three man booth
once again because in tidy takes, which is the theme
of this episode, we bring in our admiral and that
is Ryan Downey.
Speaker 1: How you doing Ryannie?
Speaker 2: Ryan?
Speaker 3: I am great. It's great to see Jesse. I don't
often get to record with Jesse. I get a lot
of Victor, which is all always a treat, of course,
but it's nice to have you in on this, Jesse,
and I'm looking forward to hearing some of your takes
on these trades as well.
Speaker 5: I will try to keep them tidy, Ryan.
Speaker 3: Yes, I hope you will, because we actually have a
lot to cover today. I wanted to give a good
spread of all the trades that have led up to
this point since Christmas time, which this is typically our
busy season for the tiered Dynasty people coming out of
the World Juniors, they have a bit more awareness of
some of the prospects on their roster, and so we
do tend to see a lot of movement. This also
precedes our very early trade deadline, which is approaching, and
in fact, by the release of this episode, if you
are a tiered Dynasty manager, you may only have six
to eight hours left before trading is done. For the season.
We do tend to end a little earlier in the
season to allow for a robust playoff period because everybody
is playing for something consequential in the Fantasy Hockey life
tiered dynasty leagues. To give an example, if you're in
the top six, you're in the playoffs, where either tier
promotion or where Lord Stanley's glory await you. The middle
six teams are playing for that seventh overall draft pick
in a tournament, and the bottom four take part in
a three matchup relegation tournament, which will decide, depending on
your tier, which of the one to three teams will
find themselves in a lower tier next season, and which
team comes away with the first overall draft pick, which
is in flux this season. As we all know, there
is so much to discuss in so little time, So
let's jump into it here with a trade from a
tiny takes favorite. We're going back to Donna and the
Mystics team in Lord Stanley, and this is a trade
actually that involves you, Victor, and I'll invite you to
jump in when the time is appropriate. Here Mystics acquired
a favorite of yours, Victor defenseman Emuel Andre for defenseman
Adam Yuricek, who recently just lit it up in the
World Junior's Tournament and current Edmonton Timeshare goaltender Connor Ingram.
Asking Mystics about this trade, Mystics at the time was
not all that impressed with Ingram's AHL stats, and this
deal was done before Ingram was called up to the
Edmonton Oilers, and so Mystics didn't have high expectations if
he did get called up to Edmonton, even though the
Oilers are a good team. Mystics preferred to acquire a
player who could help her this season, and she liked
that Andrea was someone she could swing it from the
Miners when needed. Adamirchik was tough to give up in
the deal, but Ingram hadn't been called up at the
time of the deal, so it wasn't understandable ask from Victor,
and so Victor. Normally at this point i'd read the
comments from the other manager. But given that you are
the other manager, I'll throw it right to you. How
did Donna manage to ranch Emiel Andre away from you?
Perhaps Fantasy Hockey's greatest Emil Andre super fan.
Speaker 4: I certainly do like him, but I think the bottom
line is that we wanted to help each other, which
is interesting because we're both in the same mushy middle there.
But I think we're both safe from relegation, and I
was looking at just acquiring some long term talent. She
wanted someone that would help a little bit moreut more now,
and I thought we both agreed that was Andre. I
wanted some guys that maybe could help a little bit
more later and was willing to give up a little
bit of current production. I really believe in Andre. This
is not me saying I don't like him. I think
he's one of Philly's best defenders, and I think he's
been earning more and more ice time, and I think
with more ice time, he's going to have a little
bit more irrelevance.
Speaker 1: And I say I think save for this first, his first.
Speaker 4: Season in Nashville in the last in Utah, Connor Ingram
has been really good. There were personal issues in those
in those seasons, but he's had solid expected goal numbers
outside of that. And I had a feeling that once
he adequately mourned the death of his mother, I believe
that was what was going on with him, he'd get
back to his game. And I think it's always a
bit tough to look at HL numbers because they can
be misleading. Defensive structure isn't as reliable in the NHL,
and we've heard a lot of goalie coaches and people
talk about this that some goalies can do fine there,
but some can also find it really difficult because they
have a little bit of lack of structure there. So
I thought, and I've heard other people question Ingram's potential impact,
but I always had faith in him and I acquired
him everywhere I could, and I think now that he's
showing it, and I think that he's showing he's a
solid goalie, and I wouldn't be surprised if he worked
his way into a time share or even a one
a of the rest of this season. I even heard
rumors out of Edmonton that they're not really naming Jari
their starter, and I think that's because the two of
them are probably still competing for stars.
Speaker 1: So I really like getting Ingram. I'm not sure that
he'll be the volume guy.
Speaker 4: Goalies are very valuable and tidy because they don't affect
the game's played limit. And at the other piece, I
think we talked about jeered Check already out of mercheck
a lot. I really like him, and my team is
looking to the future, so this makes a lot of
sense for me in the future, and hopefully he's a
part of my competitive window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, Rachek is. Hopefully he's going to be an
important part of the Saint Louis top four defense corps
going forward. And this will make you look very smart.
Andre also a great player. I'm interested in getting Jesse's
thoughts on the deal here as well. Jesse, how do
you see Andre versus zero check and maybe with the
Ingram sweetener in the context here as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense. Victor
is pushing back and he's picking up an asset. I
know you've always been a fan of Ingram, and if
a guy can get into that position. If he could
end up as a starter, that could just be huge.
That's a huge upside play. I wonder whether that time
has passed a little bit for right now. But between
that and yeah, we've talked a lot about your check lately,
so I think this was a win win for everybody involved.
There are other guys coming up in Philly who could
mess with Andrea's long term potential in that role. But yeah,
this isn't the highest stakes trade in some ways, but
getting a very valuable defenceman contributor is it is the
hardest thing to do. It seems like in the tidy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure Donna is maybe regretting including Connor Ingram here.
Just to piggyback a little bit on Victor's point about
ahl Starts said stats not maybe being the best indicator
of NHL goaltender quality. We've had plenty of examples of
that this season alone. You talk about Carter Hart, who
performed not so great with Henderson, you had a whole
season of yesper Wolstead last season not performing up to
the standard that people expect from him, and now he's
one of the best goaltenders in the world and I'm
sure that to Donna is regretting that portion, but I
feel like Emuel Andre for Adam Yurchik is pretty same
for me. And we'll stick here with Donna, but we'll
swap it. Victor is the trade partner for yours, truly.
Tidy's Takes listeners will know that Donna has been a
great trade partner for the BFFs myself and Edward Swan
all season long, and I did want to take you guys,
take an opportunity, I should say to ask you guys
about this trade that we made earlier in the year
that is starting to not look so great from the
BFF side. We had traded to Donna Sergei Bobrovski near
the end of his contract here with Florida. Who knows
what's going to happen next season, and he's getting up
there in years. We had traded him for defenseman Thomas
Harley for the Dallas Stars and defense prospect for the
Columbus Blue Jackets, Jackson Smith. We knew that we would
need to move Bob before the end of the season
to recoup the full value on him, and Harley was
a name that we really liked and at the time
of the deal, he was on the shelf for a
few weeks, which wouldn't have helped Donna, who was in
the basement of the league at that time. Harley had
at the had returned the same amount of points as
Bob last year, and was younger and improving compared to Bob,
declining all the usual stuff you consider when you're making
a trade like this. We also needed a prospect d
to strengthen our system, since we had traded Luca Cagnoni
for Bob from Victor. Originally we did want Eurachek, who
victor Is eventually snagged, but she did offer Jackson Smith,
which we felt was fair and just. For the context here,
the trade tree from Victor to us with the Bbrowski
and through to Donna. We had eventually moved Blanchis the
goaltender for Pittsburgh Joshua Waugh, and Luka Cagnoni for Zach Lawer,
Thomas Harley and Jackson's Smith, so we feel pretty good
about that all things considered. From mystic standpoint, the idea
of goalies being hard to acquire was a major factor
here for her making this trade, and her only number
one was on the injured preserve at the time, it
was willing to pay to get Bobrovski, and it came
down to necessity over desire for Donna. In a league
with relegation and being one of the three teams to
move up last season, she knew the challenge would be large,
especially that the three of those teams had to comprise
their rosters from the relegated teams. With there being no
such thing as a rebuild and the tidy setup. Acquiring
a thirty eight year old goaltender for three young players
with something that she needed to do to boost her
ability to get points for this season and get points
for the season, she did, victor. As you mentioned earlier,
she is well out of relegation territory now. She is
going to be sticking around in all likelihood in the
Lord Stanley Division for the years to come and is
actually on the cusp of making playoffs since acquiring Bobrovski
and Sidney Crosby from yours. Truly, so this seems to
have worked about as well as you can imagine for her.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, definitely, I think we know Donna is a
trader and this was a win win. I would say
part of number one, don't get relegated. She seems to
have avoided that, as you mentioned, and is yeah, even
pushing up towards being competitive.
Speaker 1: She and I are in that same ballpark.
Speaker 4: The teams at the very top are pretty stacked and
unlikely that any else is going to unseat them. But
aside from the top three or four teams, there's a
window there where a few of us could sneak in
and make it interesting. Though, I think she and I
and Pittsburgh Turtles are a year or two or more
away from being competitive. Bob is old, but goalies can
maintain some relevance a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: I can see him getting another year or two.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't think he'll be the volume guy, but
he'll he might continue to play, depending on the situation
and what he wants. But I feel like he's still
really good, and they're obviously still in their competitive window,
so I think acquiring him makes a lot of sense
cer only for this year, and maybe even not such
a short sighted sort of acquisition. And Harley's a tough one.
I love Thomas Harley. I've talked about him for years,
about the talent. We've seen him at his best, we've
seen what he can do, but also he can go
dormant at times. But then you just pray for that opportunity,
right because we see what happens, especially when Heyskin is
out or he just happens to have these bursts of production.
I think, frankly, i'd rather have someone a little bit
more consistent. The swings with Harley are something that I
don't generally like. I like players that can be a
little bit more consistent. But I can't argue with the
acquisition and the fact that he's on a good team,
and so the Fenwick and the time on ice, all
that gives him a really nice floor, and then the
points and everything else is a bonus.
Speaker 1: Right now, Dallas is in a bit.
Speaker 4: Of a slide and not doing so well, but I'm
sure that will turn around because they're too good of
a team.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he'll be there for you when the time
really matters.
Speaker 4: And Jackson Smith is an interesting one because we talked
about last year wasn't really the season to go for defenseman.
There weren't that many this season. In twenty twenty six
draft has so many awesome defensemen, but Smith was one
of the better ones in that draft for sure. His
transition from Pence from WHL to Penn State has been
a little less than awesome. He's been good, don't get
me wrong. He's playing a lot, he's getting opportunity, he's
play driving fairly well. But some of the underlying metrics
with net expected goals and puck battles won haven't really
been there. And his bash has been not great. Although
that's whatever, it just gives him less of a Perferle floor,
So it just hoping for a little bit more. I
was hoping to bump him up in my puck stud ratings,
but I had to just keep him neutral because he
did fine with his jump up. But I was hoping
for a little bit more, and hiss PNHL has actually
decreased from seventy eight to sixty two. I don't think
he was ever really going to be a point per
game type of player. I think he has tremendous upside
if it all works out. So yeah, I think that
he's a good one to bet on. He's still just eighteen.
He's actually a really young eighteen, young for his draft class,
so I could see that production trending up and the
raw skills are still there. Some of the underlying metrics
maybe just a little concerning, but again I think give
a time. It's too early to make big judgments on
players that young. So overall, I like the trade win win.
Speaker 3: I would say, I appreciate you alleviating some of my
concerns they're Victor about Jackson Smith. I do, I do
know he is still very young and he has a
lot of funnel yet to go. Jesse, any thoughts from
you on Jackson Smith, Thomas Harley or Bob at this
point in his career.
Speaker 5: For one thing, whenever I hear that name, I want
to put in Jigba at the end of it, one
of those great wide receivers for the Seahawks. Too soon, Victor,
I'm sorry Seahawks, but yeah, no, I think this makes
great sense for both sides. Don't you just love Mystics, man.
Mystics makes the tidy like twice as good because she
is not afraid to trade, and she does. She does
very well with that. She makes trades. They don't necessarily
bury other teams, but she knows how to trade for
her own team, and I appreciate that. Bobrovski, Yeah, t
raading for Bobrovski, it's a bet it's a hedge in
your bed a little bit. Knowing his age, trying to
avoid the relegation. Victor feels like he's going to be
able to stay away from that. Yeah, but he's going
to give out. And again I reiterate getting good defensemen
filling those slots is just so big in this format
because you need a lot of them. And Jackson Smith
and Thomas Harley are two good ones. You're buying Loan
Harley right now. I feel like, and partly because Mira
Hayskin's just out of his mind, but everybody going to
Penn State seems to be having trouble. Maybe you guys
shouldn't go to Penn State. Go to There's I was
not in hockey, but I don't know, go to Wisconsin
or something. Yeah, I don't know, man, but I think
this was fair for both sides.
Speaker 3: So you're saying, if we had some Badgers here instead
of some Nitney Lions, we'd have a different So we'd
have a different story here, Jesse.
Speaker 5: The funny thing is a few years ago the Badgers
were kind of like this too, right. They had all
these talented guys in a team full of guys who
ended up as high prospects, even like the Cole Kaw
Fields Dyllan Holloways, who did all right for those but
the team kind of stunk in college didn't Some things
weren't going right there, So I don't know. We'll see
what comes out of all these guys Penn State attracted
with Terry Pegoula's money and what they're able to do
in the future.
Speaker 3: I think it's maybe just that Terry Pegoula is a
little curse, but that's probably a topic for another podcast.
Back to this deal, just to close it off, I
agree with you guys that everyone got what they went
in for. I'm starting to think it's possible that I
went a little aggressive with our retool. And I say
I in this context because Ed is usually the conscience
in our managing group, and I will definitely take credit
for wanting to aggressively retool when face with the prospect
of losing to NHL Rankking, Mason and Jack Z in
the finals. Again, I am as you said, Jesse. I'm
happy we have guys like Harley and Smith to strengthen
our young decor, but ultimately we may have to look
for other solutions for those or else spots if they
end up not being worth the hype, which could be
possible here with Smith underperforming thus far in his young
D plus one season and Harley making the impact he
has with the Stars this season. But anyways, we'll move
on here from a guy in Jackson Smith who was
cut from his world junior team to a major piece
of one of the better World junior teams this year.
We're talking about Carter George here, who did start a
number of games for the bronze medal winning Canadian team
this year, and a team that the BFFs are facing
this week. In the final week of the regular season,
in the tidy Ia, Kanuck acquired goaltender Carter George for
I'm from the London Spider Knights for defenseman Dimitri Simyshev,
and the managers had this to say. Aaknucks that to
London Spider Knights did send over the offer and decided
it was a fair and worthwhile gamble based on Aaknuck's
team needs that he didn't expect either player to provide
value in the short term, but felt it would be
easier to backfill the defensive pool rather than the goalies.
A Kanuck joined recently, the Tidy Tidy Lord Stanley League,
and that the dispersal pool was weak for both defensive
players and goaltenders, ending up with van Melka and Hill
earlier than they would have liked. So he's really struggled
for goalie points this season and that they're hard to
come by with the depth of the league. The Tidy
really prioritizes these goaltending starts, and so he saw the
goalie position as a major long term need for the
team to become a contender. So adding a talented prospect
like George that has the potential to be a solid
starting goaltender in the league seemed like a good hedge,
and at the time of the trade, Simashev had been
demoted to the AHL, but was certainly considered a key
piece of Canucks miners decorps. While he has enviable size
and skating ability, in twenty four games with the Mammoth,
he did have one assist, very few hits or blocks,
and his Russian stats did not demonstrate much offensive upside.
So he had already started to wonder whether he would
end up a better real life option than a fantasy option.
So he thinks it's possible that the Spider Knights caught
him in a moment of doubt over to the Spider
Knights that he has been looking quietly to move George
for a couple of months, that his pedigree and talent
are undeniable, but seeing him play live a dozen times
and the last three to four times he had been
pretty bad, getting beat cleanly by shot, playing too deep
in his net. A lot of this sounds familiar compared
to what we saw in the World Juniors when he
lost the net to Jack Ivankovic. I would say he
was worried that opinion would drop on him after the
World Juniors, which it now has, and that he was
targeting a young NHLD prospect who was close. Having a
pretty good gauge on George's value after trying to move
him for so long, he felt that Simyshev would be
a pretty even one for one, And we do have
a one for one deal where everyone comes out of
here with what they're looking for. Two very smart managers here,
as you can see from their comments. Where do you
come down, Victor on Carter George versus Dmitri Simyshev.
Speaker 4: I love that London Spider Knights trusted what he saw
call your shop.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. I think you gotta trust your gut.
Speaker 4: You gotta trust what you gotta trust what you know
you find valuable, and lean into that right whatever your
source is. I don't think either of these guys are
going to be of the variety that are super regrettable
to trade away, so I think that's worth framing as
I cannot mentioned Simyshev just doesn't score. He never has
really ever in his entire career, so I don't know
why he would do that now. He is a fairly
strong play driver and tidy rewards. Fenwick takeaway his time
on ice, so that gives him a bit of a floor.
But even that, he is well below replacement level in
his points per game that he's doing this season, and
he's already playing decent minutes and having some of those
other stats in his favor, So that makes you a
little worried that maybe his floor isn't going to be
what we thought it was. I do what a Utah's building,
but some Michev's prifs are really bad, and that makes
me wonder if he can get.
Speaker 1: Over above replacement. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: And leagues that don't reward play driving. I think I
would have zero interest in Simachev, and I've mentioned before
that I've always thought he's going to be a better
real life player than a fantasy player. Even back to
the draft, I remember saying, I just don't for fantasy,
I just don't see it. I see it for a
real life I think he'll help the team. He's one
of those kind of guys. And his puck said rating
has hovered in the fives. I finally dropped him back
below five, which means that I think he's going to
be below an average roster player, meaning below replacements. I
think he's very likely to be an NHLer, but I
don't think he's very likely to be an impact on
your team. George is a goalie, as we all know.
I think that is going to just take a lot longer. Right,
He's got to see professional shots, he's got to improve
his development, and a lot of these things aren't in control.
But he's been in the OHL for four seasons and
he really needs to graduate and see some type of competition,
which he will, and then that'll probably take two to
three years until he is ready to contribute at the
NHL level. If you look at the hockey prospecting model
for Carter George. There's some reasonable comps. So there's a
bunch of not great. You got Andre Pavla, Carter Hutton,
and probably the best comp is Jack Campbell, and anyone
who's along the ride for the Jack Campbell experience can
tell you it was a roller coaster and there was
a lot of holding him and nothing happening, being frustrated.
There was some few glorious moments there, but generally he
was a frustrating player, sure in fantasy, and I think
that might end up being what Carter George is. On
the other hand, we do know that there's not a
very strong prospect pool for goalies in LA, so they
might just have to acquire someone, or they might give
him or Slakinski a chance and maybe one of them
will emerge. But I would push back on a little
bit on the idea that Carter George is a very
likely starter in the NHL. I think he is probably
a one B at best and certainly has some upside,
but I would I don't think I'm super excited about
his prospects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not either. Victor goalies are super valuable in
the TIDY, but You're right that George has a long
way to go. He's probably about three to five years
from having the kind of value that you're talking about here.
With a one B potential occasional tandem goaltender value in
our league which allows unlimited goalie starts a week over week,
that is a good asset to have, But if we're
many years away from that, Iakanuck could not be in
the league by this. It just is the way that
these these leagues tend to work when you don't even
take into account the relegation aspect. Ultimately, if George ends
up like a Carter huttn or a Jack Campbell, he
will have some value in Spurts, but probably not as
much as quickly as Dimitri Simyschev would have, especially considering
his peripheral stats and likely huge time on ice. I
think it's possible we could have several years of Simyshev
as a four ish fantasy points per game guy before
Carter George even sniff's the NHL. So that's my thought
on the matter. Jesse, anything to add on Carter George
or Dmitri Simyschev from your perch.
Speaker 5: The real swinger here is Simashev. A four point guy,
like you say, or is he a three point guy?
Because if there's one thing you can always get in tidy,
it's a three point guy. But a four point guy
makes a difference. And therein lies the entire difference here,
because if Simyschev turns into somebody who were Victor's coming from,
is never going to have enough offensive or even enough
bash to maintain consistent fantasy production. And truly he is
the most fungible asset that you can possibly find. There's
always defenseman who can score a couple of points on
the waiver wire in our format. Carter George, on the
other hand, you're I love the compare the prospecting model.
If you're a patron, you can see these things. If
you're not, you can't. But him and Jack Campbell aren't
compared here because Carter George has this kind of tiny
equivalency score all the way up to his D two
year just exactly almost the same as Jack Campbell, and
then on his D three, D four, D five, Jack
Campbell goes through the roof. So I guess we're expecting
that's what Carter George is going to do. I probably
would like the George side of this deal a little
bit better because I'm also a little bit a little
bit unsure about simaschef and with George, the upside of
having a starting goal in you always need that, and
the guy who started for Canada and the World Juniors
is pretty that's some good pedigree. We've got some good
things going for Carter George. And yeah, so I probably
like the Carter George sided this more. But it's defensible
if you think Simbaschev is going to be that guy.
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, Jesse. And as someone
who is currently rostering Alex Vlasek and who bought into
the hype of him a couple of years ago, hoping
that he would be that four fantasy points per game guy,
I can tell you that we regret that move certainly.
So if Simbaschev is another Lassek, then I think probably
Carter George is what you want to go with here,
just for the potential. We'll keep rolling along here with
another player from that Canadian junior team, and one who
found himself on both sides of Canada's triumphs and eventual
downfall in the semi finals. That would be Zane Perek, who,
along with Joel Farrabee were acquired by one of my
favorite names in the Tidy, the as Chin, who we
will heretofore refer to as Matt because I don't want
to keep saying the as Chin for the next ten
minutes of this segment. So Matt acquired left wing Joel
Ferraby and defenser defenseman Zane p from Tidy favorite Scott
Atter for Nikita nes Durenko, a depth forward in the
Anaheim system, and defenseman Victor Hedman. Matt had this to
say that he realized his team wasn't strong enough to
compete at the top of the big Dogs. Scott had
acquired him a select few players, The only one he
was willing to listen on was Headman. In true Scott fashion,
the first offer was trash. I don't blame him, though
I'd do the same thing. Then he started dangling Perek
and a guy for Headman and a guy. Now he's
got my attention. I ended up slow playing for a
week or two. Headman being injured the first time slowed
things down as well. Then one day Scott sent me
what became the trade deal, and I decided to accept
dealing a stud like Headman away is never easy, especially
for a prospect, even a blue chip prospect like Perek
is never a guarantee, and Matt on that you and
I agree. So, speaking of Scott Tidy Takes, listeners might
recall an episode last season where we covered one of
Scott's trades and his contribution to the segment of the
podcast was a semi erotic reading of his state of
mind when he consummated this trade. Let's say I asked
for his feedback, once again against my best judgment, and
asked for him to tone down some of the X
rated elements. And here's what he had to say. As always,
I'm reading it verbatim and I'm rolling up my sleeves.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: There comes a point in some people's lives when everything
slows down, the dogs stop barking, the cars stop honking,
and total clarity is achieved. For me, that came in
early December when a man with a chin like a
butt accepted my inquiries about Victor had been Inumber turned
for a top prospect. The moment of clarity had not
yet come for the rear end faced man, and he
dodged making any decisions like a rich kid from the
military draft. But it finally came to fruition and made
total sense for both of us. It was clear to
me that Zamperrek wasn't going to do much in Calgary
this season. When I drafted him, it was early based
on my feeling that he would come in and take
powerplay one Jesse he takes the last doughnut. But it
was too obvious this wasn't panning outright. Chinny as I
like to call him, didn't want to give up hope
for this season just yet. But I knew the Calgary
flame and his eyes shine bright, and he didn't want
to miss the chance to get his hands on the
chosen one. In all honesty, I was worried that Perek's
defense was going to keep him out of maybe ever
getting the big minutes. Best case scenario I felt for
him was that he becomes an Evan Bouchard type player
in two or three years. I don't have time in
the Tidy to wait two or three years, and so
I wanted to strike now. Headman has been a near
lock for six Fantasy points per game in the Tidy,
and at thirty five years old, he feels confident in
at least five points for this and the next two
seasons as long as he's healthy. Waiting for Perek to
get to five or six points was not something I
wanted to do. I had shopped Perek to a few
other struggling teams, but most of them were trying to
avoid relegation, so I wasn't getting solid productivity from them.
Last year, I made big moves early on older players
and it paid off with the Division championship, and so
I was in Chinese's ear regularly to make sure the
deal got done. I added Farrabi when it felt like
he was wavering a bit, and just as for a
nice miner's eligible flex option with nest Orenko. In return,
I didn't need Farabi, and Nestorenko has helped. It's unfortunate
right after this that had been went down the second
time for a surgery. I'm confident he'll come back and
help me finish strong, and that Scott I don't agree with,
but we'll get into that. I don't miss Perek at all,
and after the way he looked on defense in the
World Juniors, I feel even more vindicated now in my decision,
even if he does have so much offensive potential. Victor.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Scott
Ugh that Perek's defense might restrict him from playing big
minutes and thereby limit his fantasy production. And I know
that you disagree with me on this, so why don't
you go ahead?
Speaker 4: Maybe not entirely, but let's talk about the minor pieces first.
Fairbe is below replacement level by a considerable margin. It's
always possible, as a somewhat young player that he improves,
but I don't really see it at this point. I
think that he's been around long enough and we know
who he is. I'm not a huge fan of that one,
and I'm not counting on him getting any better. Mister
enko Is has sixty one NHL games over four seasons.
He's the definition of just a guy a jag. He's
minor eligible though, so I guess you like that, and
Anaheim with the off night schedule. Sure, that's certainly a
reasonable acquisition. Headman, he's slowing down, and the emergence of
Darren Radish one of the surprises, if not the biggest surprise,
of this entire season, I would say, is has been
Darren Radish, and that has massively and will continue to
massively depress Headman's value. I'm not sure that is going
to change too much when Headman comes back. I think
they're going to be happy to have him back and
play big minutes and help the team, but I'm not
sure they're going to just hand the reins of the
power play back over to him. And I have Hedman
in a couple spots, so that's really going to hurt
me and my chances. But Scodder, he didn't know that
at the time, and I'm sure Hedman will still help
a lot more than PreK will this season, even if
prec ends up taking off a bit. I think the
floor for Headman is higher beyond this season. I do
have serious doubts Hedman isn't much without power play points.
I went back and looked at this and he has
had double digit power play points in every season except
twenty eleven and twenty twelve, and as many as thirty
in a season, So in those high end seasons, it's
almost entirely based on his power play production. Without that,
I don't think he's more than just a very average defenseman.
He might be more like a Me or heiskin in
Er not even that, as someone who's just not even
on a power play and this season. I'm not sure
he's even gonna get the double digits he's at six.
Is he gonna get a lot more than that when
he comes back?
Speaker 1: Possibly not.
Speaker 4: We've talked about Perek a lot, and so I definitely
want to throw to you run and get your thoughts
because I know you have some different opinions, but in
the league that gives you negative points for turnovers and Fenwick,
I think Parrek is gonna have an especially hard time
returning value because those are things that are not his
forte and he can struggle with. And we do see
the Anderson trade now going to Vegas, so that should
give him a little bit more opportunity and get a
little bit more bandwidth to show what he can do.
But I do still have concerns Ryan, So let's hear
your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've been pretty outspoken on our Fantasy Hockey left discord
about Zane Perrek, and I love him from an offense standpoint.
I don't know how you could watch him in the
offensive zone pick corners with that quick wrist shot. It's
certainly exciting, and so I give him full credit for that,
But for me, it felt like every time the puck
got into the Canadian zone, and especially on the cycle
that Zane Perek and his de partner Cam Reid were
always out of position. And I know that the World
Juniors is a snapshot in time and you shouldn't base
your entire opinion on a player on that, but the
reality is here that Zaane Perek is playing against his
peers here, and against his peers he looked out of place.
So as a guy who's going to get pushed around
from a size perspective, I think you at least need
to be in the right spot on the ice to
make it difficult for the opponent. Even if you're going
to get dummied in front of the net, you should
be in front of the net and not like over
on the half wall when people are scoring on your goaltender.
There's no denying that Perek has good stick skills, and
he's not the worst rookie I've ever seen gapping up
the blue line or doing that kind of transition defense.
But the end zone defense, for me, is a really
tough look, and I have believing that an NHL coach
will give him a regular shot if he can't even
be in the right place on the ice in the
defensive zone. Maybe he could learn that. Maybe that takes time,
and I'm being a little harsh on him, but that's
where I am on Zaane Perrek right now. Jesse, do
you have any thoughts am I being a little too
hurd on the young lad here.
Speaker 5: I'm still reeling from catching this donut related straight that
I took here not to mention Victor or not. You
talking about Matt consummating the trade, which is too much
to deal with. I again, it's a win win. Clearly
Matt is in the bag for the Calgary Flames. That
seems to be what's happening here with Farbi and Perrek.
I don't know what you're into, Matt, but I still
believe in Perrek. I still Perrek. I took Perek in
the Dang Crossover League with Brian and Elin and Victor
a few weeks ago. I believe in the less set
about that draft right now, the better. But I still
do think that Perek is going to end up being
something reasonable. And yeah, we may things end and Victor
Headman going through these injuries and his production going down
and Darren Radish coming up, it's we could have the
Drewidoud detail to his career, or we could just have
the sudden stop. So I think that Matt is not
unwise to make this trade. But Scott made a reasonable bet,
especially before he knew that Heedmand was going to be
injured here, and I have Fabians, Drinko or the secondary
pieces here. I traded for fair Be earlier this year
and it hasn't really done much for me. I just
needed a left wing role bad. But yeah, we'll see
what comes to that each team. Once again, this is
again it's a win now for a pay up later,
we hope type trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Victor, do you have anything to respond
here about my thoughts on Perrek. I know it's like
low hanging fruit to be like, if you can't be
in the defensive zone, then you can't play in the NHL.
But that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, for sure.
Speaker 4: And we've seen this with some of the high end
forwards recently. We've seen Mitchkov really struggle to hit his
high end. We've seen some of the other high offensively
gifted forwards. And it's even so much more of an
issue with defenceman right because a forward usually if you're
a little bit in the wrong spot, it usually isn't
as catastrophic, but it's so much more obvious when a
defenceman does it. And we've seen PreK just have some
iage in this on the World Junior Show, is that
his lapses are just so obvious when it happens. So
I think that coaches are going to it depends on
what coach. Some are a little bit more forgiving, but
generally NHL coaches are not very forgiving or understanding of that.
And I think it's going to take him either a
really long time or he could just completely fizzle out
because he struggles with that and doesn't really get the message,
and so that would obviously be a really bad outcome.
But I think people don't want to believe that, or
don't want to see that, or don't want to hear that,
and they just want to look at the positives. And
I think you've got to be realistic and say, an
NHL team has to put this guy out here eighteen
plus minutes a night for him to be and they
have to trust him in many situations. And I just
find that's going to be a challenge, and not that
he can't get there, but I right now and from
the more that I.
Speaker 1: Saw from him in this tournament. The more concerned I
am actually, And the.
Speaker 3: Last thing I'll mention here, guys, is that it's not
like Zane doesn't have competition for that role going forward.
We saw earlier this week after the Rasmus Anderson trade
that Hunter Brucetevitch actually got the first look on power
Play one, and he is older than Perek and so
he would have been playing against pro defenseman a little
bit longer than Parrek. And if it doesn't end up
working out with Perek, they have an option to go
to in Bruce Eva. He's going to have to work
extra hard to make sure that he stands out over
a guy like Brucetevitch, even if they both have similar concerns. Anyways,
we've covered a lot here on the first half. It's
time for us to take a quick break. You're listening
to Tidy Takes. All I do is we wi we
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Speaker 6: Money ol Man.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tidy Takes, and we're starting the second
half of the show here with the Meatia trade to
dig up teeth into with twelve moving parts. Here forgive
me as I take a moment to read a bunch
of names. Suitor McGavin from the Tidy Yager Division acquires
winger Kent Johnson, all around forward Ridley greg right winger
Braden Bowman of the Vegas Golden Knights, defensive prospect Harris
and Bruneke from the Pittsburgh Penguins, defensive standout prospect for
the Washington Capitals, Cole Hudson and left wing surprise for
the Red Wings, and Finney. Mack in the Saddle again
acquires right winger Nikita Kucherov, left winger Mason marchmant winger
Jack Rossellvick of the Edmonton Oilers, defenseman Dimitri Simaschev who
we've talked about a little bit, and then two depths
Luke centers Luke Aymes and Luke Misa. Mack in the
Saddle again was voted overwhelmingly the winner of this trade
because they acquired Nikita Kuchrov. So we'll get into that,
but here's what the managers had to say about this.
Rob is suitor McGavin. We've talked about Rob a lot
on the podcast this season. He says, okay, so since
my Larkin deal, I have not been able to make
any further upgrade deals, even slow upgrades. I've spanned every
owner in the league once or twice with a similar deal,
and no one wants to downgrade for futures. My team
is in free fall with Kucharov on it, and I
figured I can upgrade on some of my bubble players
with youth that I expect to improve between now and playoffs.
I did not foresee Marchman moving to Columbus and becoming
relevant again, Nor did I see Kucharov going from seven
points a game to twelve points a game. Now was
the best time to move him. And that's all. And
Jeff is mac in the saddle again. The victor of
this trade is voted by our tidy managers. Pretty simple, right,
Not only do I have Nathan McKinnon, but I now
have Nathan McKinnon. In a career year, you only get
so many chances to win your league, and obviously McKinnon
gives me that chance. Adding somebody like Kucherov gives me
an even better chance, And depending on your league. In
the format, I feel like prospects can be largely overvalued.
Like I love Cole Hudson, I've been trying to deal
for him in different dynasty leagues. I think he's going
to have a really good NHL career, but he's also
only nineteen, and the value proposition for me in Tidy
was when was he going to add value to this
team in this league three years from now, four years,
five years. I also liked getting back Mason Marchman and
Jack Rossovic in the deal. I thought Marchman was a
distressed asset in Seattle and far better than his numbers.
I obviously got extremely fortunate that he was dealt to Columbus.
Rossovic looked a lot better in Edmonton before Hymen came back,
and now he's just getting scraps on the power play Victor.
Perhaps it's not all that surprising that sense acquiring Nikita Kuchirov.
Jeff and Mack in the saddle are undefeated and cruising
towards a bye in the Tidy Yoger playoffs with his
kooch Mac Stack. What do you think about this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cooch is the man right, and basically Jeff got
scraps along with the Kida Kutrov. But he got a
Nikida Kutrov, so that's really all that matters. In fact,
Jesse and I and are common League just had another
trade go down yesterday for Kutrov, and I was pulling
my non existent hair out at the return because I
was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: This was He's so good, he can win you the league.
Speaker 4: And this player got Kooch, Darren and bradon point for
not enough in my opinion. But let's go through these
guys here as we're talking about it. Marchman, Rosslovic, they're fine.
Their depths slash maybe average roster players depending on how
they're going at the time. We've seen Rosslovic have more relevance,
but that was really when there were injuries, and since
Hymen's been back, he hasn't been able to do as much.
We saw a brief increase from March when he moved
to Columbus, but I think ultimately he's just a guy
that's going to be in that middle six and have
some relevance at times. Luke Haymes, I don't think is
a guy anyone needs to worry about. Luke Meta has
an exciting last name, but he's not the exciting Mesa
that you want, and I don't think he's really gonna
do much. I'm not even sure that he's in NHL
or frankly, if he is, he's maybe a depth guy,
bottom of the lineup kind of guy. We already talked
about simaschef, and so we don't need to talk about
him too much more except that I think he'll always
leave you wanting more when Cooch is Cooch.
Speaker 1: So I think Jeff did great.
Speaker 4: There For Rob's side, kJ, Grig, Bowman, Brunick, Finny, they're
all decent pieces, some are more than others. Can kJ
rEFInd his game, I'm not so sure. Coaching change and
some different deployment. We've seen him at his best. He's
super exciting and he's electric. But I personally can stand
rostering players like Kent Johnson because there's so many just
zeros are very low production games that it just drives
me crazy. I want someone that at least is going
to give me a solid floor, solid average, and kJ
is not that guy. So he's someone that I'd have
a hard time with. But if you're going to if
you have time to be patient and hope he can
rediscover his production, then there's certainly potential there. Greg I
think has been a bit of a revelation, and I
think people might actually be snoozing a bit on how
good really Greg has been. And we've seen him recently
in the playing top line, playing with Kachuk and Stufsla
and getting some great deployment there and producing.
Speaker 1: He is a pretty good defensive player.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he's the best offensively, but I think
he adds value to that top six and he's someone
who could stick there. So I like that one a lot.
I think he had his moment. I think he's just
gonna be an average guy and Bruniki. I think he
might end up being a lot like Simachev, someone who's
just a guy. He's got some decent skills. He can
move the puck, he can skate, but I don't think
he's ever gonna do much that's going to make you
super excited.
Speaker 1: Finny.
Speaker 4: He had his moment. I'm not convinced that he's done.
I think that he still has more to offer. I
think he could stick around as someone who flexes up
and down the lineup. Definitely a better asset for the
Detroit Red Wings than he is for your fantasy team
unless he's in one of those moments of great deployment.
But yeah, he's not really a huge mover one way
or the other. I think all of this comes down
to Cole Hudson. He's incredible, and I think he's going
to be likely as good or better than his brother.
That's he's an incredible talent. I think the upside is massive.
Of course, we don't know that he'll be as good
as his brother, but let's assume he is. Kouchov right
now is six in points per game in the tidy
Lane Hudson is twenty one. Even if Cole gets to
where Lane is, I'm not sure that Rob got enough.
I think that there should have been some higher blue
chip assets coming back the other way. I see a
lot of I see Cole Hudson, and a lot of
maybe's and decent guys. It's true that the depth of
this depth of this side far outweighs the depth of
what Jeff got.
Speaker 1: That's certainly true.
Speaker 4: But I think that I much prefer that side, and
I think, if you're looking at it in this situation,
to me, the high end pieces need to be more
equal before you can want to have the depth pieces
be a little bit better. So I think this one
certainly leans in the Kutrov direction.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, Victor on that last point.
There and just for the benefit of the listener here,
because I know we've been throwing around just a ton
of names. I want to just do an exercise that
I'd like to do with these big trades and find
where the pieces cancel each other out. And I think
this is where you're going with this. I think if
you look at Harrison Bruniki compared to Dimitri Simaschev, I
think those pieces cancel out. I think it's a good
argument to say that a guy like Emmitt Finny and
a guy like Braden Bowman will be better or at
least equal to what Luke Cam's w Luke Misa can provide.
It's questionable as to whether hayms are Mesa will even
make it to the NHL. So I think you can
call that a win right there for Rob And then
you have to look at Ridley greg and Kent Johnson
as the return for Mason Marchman and Jack Rosselvick, and
to that I agree. I mean there's some you can
say Kent Johnson or Mason Marchmant is better, depending on
the day, I think, And I'll talk a little bit
more about that in a second. Ridley Greg, as you said,
has been a huge revelation and I would prefer him
to Jack Rosselvick. And so we do see here that
Rob in theory did upgrade a lot of the pieces
he was looking for to upgrade, and so that I
think can be counted as a win for him. And
if I know Rob like I know Rob, and I
think he's probably kicking himself a bit on this one
just because of the Kucharov element. He is a smart
guy and recognize that his entire team needed an upgrade,
and so I do want to just take a look
at the upside he did acquire. I personally, Victor still
believe in Kent Johnson. I think he still has the
potential to be a roster lock in our tidy format,
which would have him at around sixty to seventy points
per season with the kind of no peripherals that he provides.
So that's where I think he's going. We might see
him on that kind of pace to close the season here.
As he also has a new fan in Columbus head
coach Rick Bonis, who has given him increased ice time
and responsibility since taking over for Dean Evison, Kent Johnson
does find himself on the top power play with the
likes of Fantillian Marchenko, and he's insulated at even strength
with veterans like Boone Jenner and Sean Monaghan. And he's
the clear scoring threat on that line, which leads the
Jackets in even strength ice time since Bonus taking over.
If this deployment holds and Johnson can find the confidence
that made him a point per game playmaking demon at Michigan,
then Rob could be very happy with him as a
centerpiece of this deal coming back. And yes, the other
huge piece Victor is Cole Hudson, and I think he
might be better than his brother Lane. Am I mostly
saying that because the BFFs also acquired him recently. Of
course I am, But also I just prefer Hudson's all
around Oh, I should say Cole Hudson's all around game.
And I think in our tidy format, which does prioritize
play driving, the Cole will get an extra bump due
to his strong all around game. If Rob can survive
relegation this season, which is a bit questionable, Cole should
start returning value next year as he is likely to
make the jump to the Capitals sooner rather than later.
So the way I see it is Rob was able
to turn Kucharrov and a bunch of nothing on his
roster into those guys plus some good depth contributors in Grieg,
Bowman and Finny, who will certainly need to perform well
to save Rob from relegation for him to see the
fruits of this deal. Jesse, anything stand out to you
about this deal that we haven't to cover it already.
Speaker 5: Look, if you ever put a trade up for a
vote in one side of it has Nikita Kucharov, you
know how it's going to come out. But I will
defend Super mcgabvin in this sense. Kucharov is not getting younger,
and at some point the responsible manager, if they're not
going to win with him right now, is going to
have to try to get the best return he can
for him while he still has value. He's going to
have less value every year he is closer to the
end of his career than he is the beginning. So
then it comes down to did he get enough? I
think that yeah. To me, I would break it down
a little bit differently. I would say, Hames Misa simaschev Rossovich,
at some point this is all here because there are
six pieces on each side so you're just moving stuff
around between your two rosters, maybe not even things that
the other guy even wanted. But so some of those
guys coming back I think are just these are the
guys who are going to leave my roster anyway. I
think I don't know that Marchmont is got a great
outlook ahead of him. Ken Johnson went from completely buried.
You referenced that, but he was completely buried under the
previous administration, and he's got so much talent. I was
trying to buy on him a few weeks ago. I
couldn't pry him loose, but I'm very interested in him.
So it's really to me. Hudson, grig and Johnson for
Kucherov is the main part of this, and I think
that there's a logic to getting those types of upside pieces. No,
they're not equal to nik Kucharov, but by the time
that Suder McGavin is back in potential contention, those guys
will be playing for him, and Kucharov might not be
playing for Mack in the saddle. Could he get something better?
Maybe maybe somebody else should have stepped up and made
an offer. I don't know how well he advertised, but
we always say this, and a lot of times half
the managers in the league just don't want to do
anything about it, and then they're all mad when it happens.
I'm sure that suitor would have taken a different deal
had it been available. But sometimes the win Now teams
that really want to make these deals don't have a
ton of young pieces. That's how they got to be
win now teams by trading them away already. I don't know.
I think the Kutcharov side wins. But Suder McGavin was
justified in what he did.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jesse, and as someone who's been in the league
with Rob and hearkening back to his comment about spamming
the league with trades, I can speak to how he
is very good at doing that. I know that Rob
probably put it up there that Kucharov was available and
for me for him to get back. Ken Johnson and
Cole Hudson, do you want maybe one other elite piece
to come back? Of course you do. But I think
that's one of the things with our polling system, which
I think is a little bit flawed, is it is
it's binary by nature, that's how poles work. You're not
going to be able to show the full context of
why a deal like this happens and why Rob is
moving on from Kutrov without the full context. And so
I hope Rob you can let me know. I know
you're listening. I hope we did you justice here. I
hope we didn't do you dirty. I think Jeff is
happy with this deal. I think you're happy with this
deal with what you were able to get out of it.
So let me know in the discord if we mischaracterize
some of your decisions here. But I think it makes
sense to us at the very least. The last trade
we're going to talk about today also has some moving parts,
albeit not as many as the last one. That'd be
pretty hard. We do have from the tiny Gretzky Division,
a trade between Desert Scorpions and Strange Brew. The Desert
Scorpions acquired center Bohorvat and goaltender Eric Kamri from Strange
Brew for left wing Mason Marchmont, who we've just talked about,
of course, so we won't spend too much more time
on him. Prospect winger Rutger McGroarty, defense prospect for the
Nashville Predators Ryan Ufko, and goaltending prospect for the Detroit
Red Wings Sebastian Kosa, and this trade was judged as
a win for strange brew who is the team that
acquires Kosa, Ufko, McGroarty and Marchmen. And so I heard
from Desert Scorpions actually this morning, who has been rather busy,
finally got their answer to me this morning. To that,
I say thank you and I appreciate it. The idea
behind the move was originally around getting Camray once Hellabuck
went down with injury that happened a couple weeks ago.
You might recall adding Horvat to the deal was aimed
at trying to bump up a center position, especially given
the start to the year he had that he knows
Ufko has a lot of potential value for a lot
of fantasy gms, specifically in the tidy Cosa definitely has value,
though he will confess some level of skepticism personally about
whether he's going to get the opportunity. While he has
not been looking to move Kosa eagerly that he was
someone he was willing to move to upgrade at that
center position. He's long had some similar feelings about Rutger
and his long term potential. Jesse from strange Brew had
this in response that he's still learning fantasy hockey and
is new to the sport, but dynasty sports in general,
there's some things that are evergreen. That his team not
being in a contender spot and being in the rebuilding area,
that you're going to move younger prospects with upside for
veterans like a bow Horvat or a Comri, and so
his investment in those prospects is that they will become
great assets to his team that will help him climb
the ranks and become a contender. That he's willing to
take a chance on upside prospects due to his rank
in the league. I'm not much of a conservative player,
says Jesse from strange Brew. I like to take big
swings when the opportunity presents itself and hope for the best.
Strange Brew said he's new to fantasy hockey, but he's
got the basic concepts down. Pat I would say, did
he get the right young players back victor for bo
Horvat forty.
Speaker 4: Horvat is the forty fourth best skater in points per
game for Tidy. I think that's important for the whole
context of this comray has had some relevance this season,
but I'm not sure how much that continues. It is
true that it is really hard to find any goalie
that can give you any amount of starts, and so
my strategy has always been to have a bunch of
extra ones laying around. It's not really a streaming league anyways,
so it's not like having a bunch of extra skaters
is often all that helpful. So I like to have
five or six or more goalies, even if they don't
play that much. That's a personal strategy of mine. Not
everyone does that, so I could see that being helpful
for me. The question is did he did Jesse get
enough to get value for forty fourth best skater and tidy?
And I think my assessment is a definite.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 4: We talked about Marchmen already and I think he's probably
below replacement.
Speaker 1: He ebs and flows, He's just a guy McGroarty.
Speaker 4: He's still developing. I think he could end up being
just above replacement too well above. He's made some good strides,
but I worry that the team around him will be
absolutely cooked to win. Crosby, Rust and Malkin et cetera
are no longer there no longer producing at the level
should Ryan Ufko is one of these prospects that makes
me really physically angry because I do not understand why
he's not getting more of an opportunity. And I look
at him, I look at tape in him, I look
at lots of different numbers, and I continue to be baffled.
Speaker 1: The only thing I can.
Speaker 4: Really see is that he's obviously five 't ten, and
that's probably the biggest knock against him is that he's
a bit on the smaller side, doesn't really play small.
He plays with decent physicality. This is the second season
in the HL. Last season he was a bit under
a point per game. This season thirty seven points in
thirty five games for the Milwaukee Admirals. He had one
call up last season, yet to have one this season,
and he's been really good. If you look at his
tracking data, he drives play really well. He's winning puck battles,
he's driving play, he's leveraging all his skills. He should
get more of an opportunity. So sometimes I worry when
I see this, am I just hallucinating a good player?
Because clearly the team, especially when they were so bad,
you think that they would give people a chance. Now
that they've turned things around, I could see why they
haven't called him up because they've been playing a lot better.
They're pushing for a playoff spot. Maybe now is not
the time to bring in a player like that, but
maybe if they missed the playoffs, we'll see some so
later on in the season.
Speaker 1: But it really it started to worry me.
Speaker 4: It gets to the point where when a player, in
my opinion, if they've been in the AHL for their
third season and they're not really getting much a call up,
that is a big red flag. He's only on his
second so it's not there yet. But I really like
Ufkoh and I'm baffled is why Nashville doesn't like him more?
Or so it would seem Kosa has really come around
and he has been awesome.
Speaker 1: Actually the last two seasons in the AHL.
Speaker 4: People were freaking out when he had that ECHL year.
It just goes to show drafted back in twenty twenty
one and it's five years later and he's finally turning
things around.
Speaker 1: But it takes goalies a long time.
Speaker 4: And you really have to be patient and you have
to do what's right for their develop and sending him
to the HL that year when he was struggling was
absolutely the right call, and it didn't mean that he
wasn't going to be a great goalie. And now we're
seeing that, and we're seeing the resurgence of John Gibson
in Detroit. Talbot is slowing down and it should be
Cosa taking his place and being the one beat a Gibson.
Although they do have Trey Augustine as well, and so
that could eat into that a little bit, but Cosa
still has starter upside and I think between those two
they should be splitting the net for years to come
after that. You look at the comms for COOSA and
Hockey Prospecting and they're all incredible. Dominik Koshik is one
of the big ones that is in that model, so
he certainly looks like he's going to be the man
moving forward. So if mcgroardy and Cosa hit, I think
Jesse did really well. Otherwise I think there might be
some regret trading. Bo What do you think, right?
Speaker 3: I completely agree, Victor. I think Jesse got himself some
better than average lottery tickets here for sure. I agree
none of us would really be that surprised to see
Cosa take over the tandem role with John Gibson as
soon as next season. I'm not sure that Trey Augustine
is ready yet. He's a great goaltending prospect, there's no
denying that, but I just think Cosa has proved it
at the pro level in a way that Augustine hasn't,
so I think he'll get the first shot there. Cosa
has certainly turned in a stellar AHL performance this season
at the time of the recording seventeen wins, two losses
and two overtime losses with a nine to thirty two
save percentage and a sub two goals against average, And
so yes, if he does take that role in the
NHL next season, he's only a John Gibson injury away
from being the undisputed starling starting goaltender of a Red
Wings team which is only improving with each year of
experience the young core gains. And I can't help but
think about to the Anaheim Ducks, where John Gibson played
for many years. Lukash Dostaal was his backup and got
significant play due to John Gibson injuries, and now Lukash
Dostal is an undisputed starting goaltender in the NHL, and
so if everything breaks right for COSA, and if certain
things on John Gibson break, I think we could see
him alone being enough for Bow and Conbrey, with how
much value the goalies have in the tidy. McGroarty is
an interesting one for me, Victor, and I'm going to
ask you for a little more context on him, if
you don't mind. I don't want to entirely put you
on the spot, so I'll just ramble a little bit here.
I do have a share of McGroarty, of him in
the Keeping Carlson Ultimate Patron Dynasty League team which I
co manage with Brian and elon the Brelan team which
is still awaiting a rename to include my participation, but
we'll get onto that later. This is a guy, Victor,
who you've been typically pretty high on in the past.
Was a thirty four percent chance of being a seven
in your Puck stud ranking. Would you mind giving us
a little more context on McGroarty, who has struggled to
translate his skills to the NHL from the AHL, where
he is currently over a point per game after a
strong debut last season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, McGroarty is an interesting guy, He's always and I
think will always be this kind of heart and soul
guy who is greater than the sum of his individual skills.
We saw that when he kept in USA two World Juniors,
and he's been an emotional leaner throughout his time, and
I think he's definitely the kind of guy who you
could see being on the top line, being a top
powerplay option, if for more than anything else, his leadership
and his tenacity and all of that. In the time
that he's played in the NHL the last two seasons,
twenty four games, still on the twenty point pace, It's
not a lot, but what you do see is pretty
strong Perferles, in particular his hits over hit per game.
His blocks are a little bit lower than that, closer
to half, and the shots haven't really been as exciting,
but I think ultimately, as his player card shows, he
will get there. He does have strong Perferle coverage in
his back pocket and his other leagues, and as you said,
a nice production in the HL so far, and I'm
hoping that can translate a little bit more. He forced
that move at a Winnipeg and I think he maybe
puts some big target patients on his back, and I
think we need to be a little bit patient with him.
His NHL impacts have not been great so far, but
also we've seen Pittsburgh. This is a confusing team. They
have been winning a little bit more than expected, but
a lot of their inderline metrics are still pretty awful,
and so he's struggling with a lot of that to
deal with. I was pulling up his Hockey Viz impact
score and just which kind of takes into account all
the different things that he's been doing offensively, defensively, up a.
Speaker 1: Guy, down a guy, even strength powerplay all night, and.
Speaker 4: So far his impacts are mostly slightly negative, which is
not bad for a young player. Obviously he wanted to
be positive, but I think the fact that it's not
horrendous is probably a good feather in his cap. I
think the I think he's going to be a strong player.
What I worry about with McGroarty is that they're gonna
look to him to be the next Sidney Crosby when
Crosby phades out and he is not. No one is right,
but it's gonna be a little unfair to the man
if he's going to be the one trying to carry
the Mantle, and I just think they need a lot
of support around him. It's great that they that Ben
Kendall has arrived ahead of schedule. Brunnick and they have
some decent pieces that hopefully will fill out that team.
Because I think McGroarty can be an excellent complimentary piece,
I just don't know that he can be the main
primary piece, and that's what worries me. If he's going
to be the primary piece of that team, I think
that it's going to be a bit of a struggle.
And I think a good comparison might be someone like
Mason McTavish. Mason McTavish is a really good complimentary piece,
and when you have some of the elite talent that
Anaheim has around him, he can be more than he
is on his own. But if you ask him to
be the top player on the team, I don't think
you're not gonna have the highest upside. So I think
that there's maybe some rhymes there.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a little bit more at ease as a
McGroarty owner here, although I do agree with you that
Pittsburgh they do need that Sidney Crosby tier player, and
those of us who are draft watchers will know that
Kyle Dubis, while he is a very skilled and talented drafter,
he does struggle at making the big swing. He does
end up with a lot of those kind of support players,
guys who will play a long time in the league,
but maybe they won't have the elite impact that you're
looking for. Hopefully they can figure that out from the
drafting standpoint, and hopefully the expectations on McGroarty don't get
too out of hand. Jesse, just to close it off here,
any thoughts from you on Bohorvat, Eric Comrie, Marchmant McGroarty,
Ufko or Cosa.
Speaker 5: Jesse's my guy. Strange Brui is my guy. He's in
the diesel with us. I've known him for ten years.
I think that probably Horvat was Horvat's probably slightly the
better end of this trade. I agree there's a couple
of upside things. Cosa particularly like you guys have been saying,
did you I saw graphic last week that there was
some speculation Cosa would be the starting goalie for the
Italian team in the Olympics because he's got some Italian heritage.
But Italy decided to bring all the folks who are
currently in Italy rather than people with Italian heritage, and
Ufko is He's not just the guy's name, it's the
sound you make when you see him on your roster
and you're trying to figure out what to do with him.
I have the same problem as Victor. So there's some
swings here. There's some swings, and you never know. I'm again,
I'm not that big on Mason Marchman. In a long
term future, maybe he has a hot streak and you
can sell him again and get something else. It's a
rebuilding trade, maybe a bit further than I would have
wanted to go, but there's good pieces coming back here.
And in fact, it looks like strange Brew won the vote,
so I'm not just it seems like he won the vote,
So I don't know. People must not respect Bohrbat at.
Speaker 3: The end of the day. We've been saying it the
entire episode, when when depending on your perspective, depending on
where you are in the standings, you can find something
to like about both sides of these trades. And that's
all we have to discuss today. On a marathon version
of Tidy Takes, I will give the caveat that This
likely won't end up being the longest though, at just
over an hour, as I'm counting at least eight interesting
trade deadline deals for the Tiered Dynasty that we will
need to discuss on the next edition of Tidy Takes,
and that's not accounting for everything that will happen between
Wednesday afternoon when we're recording this and Sunday afternoon when
this is released. So thanks as always to the time
managers who give us such great content to discuss on
this segment. I will also just forecast here we're gonna
be talking a lot about our teams, in particular on
this trade deadline version of the Tidy Takes. Jesse Severe
has been selling off some elements of his team, Victor
and I have both been retooling our teams, and so
I think between the three of us, we'll have five
trades to discuss from our teams, and so you'll get
our perspective on why we felt we needed to make
these trades. Of course, as always with the other side
taken into account as well, so you'll hear from all
of those people as well. Donna will feature prominently as
you will probably expect, and we're gonna have a great
time on the next episode of Tidy Takes, so make
sure you tune in. We love this trade deadline episode
because this is where the rubber hits the road for
a lot of these teams that are looking to avoid relegation.
They're trying to win the Lord Stanley Championship, They're trying
to get promoted. This is the real meat of the
season and we're so happy to have you on this
journey with us. Thanks again, Victor and Jesse for inviting
me on the journey, having me as part of your
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