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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks.

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Speaker 2: Here's your source of information and analysis to help you

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win your fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 3: Block off hot a, step hit on, Stay lock.

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Jesse sovi here and Victor Nuno.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno, you

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know us. If you tuned in here, you probably know

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this could be your first episode. If so, Victor, how

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you doing and what would you tell people?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I would tell people thanks for being here and got

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another great episode for you.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Yeah. It's always great talking prospects, talking

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fantasy hockey, talking dynasty hockey with you. It's been active

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times trading in our leagues. You've blown up a few

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ones and we're gonna have some trading to talk about today,

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so I'm pretty fired up for that too.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely to the season for the trade deadline and fantasy leagues.

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We have ours a little bit early, as we'll mention,

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so this hopefully will be informative for everyone. A lot

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of leagues I know have their trade deadline much later,

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so hopefully that will continue to inform other leagues, But yeah,

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this is a it's a good time to take some

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reflection and also just to talk about all these great players.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, we do ours early so you don't

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have to people. That's a sacrifice for making for you.

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So yeah, Victor, I say, we get into the business

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here right after this. You're gonna here with our three

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man booth. What's coming up?

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Speaker 6: Welcome back everyone, and we are a three man booth

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once again because in tidy takes, which is the theme

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of this episode, we bring in our admiral and that

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is Ryan Downey.

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Speaker 1: How you doing Ryannie?

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Speaker 2: Ryan?

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Speaker 3: I am great. It's great to see Jesse. I don't

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often get to record with Jesse. I get a lot

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of Victor, which is all always a treat, of course,

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but it's nice to have you in on this, Jesse,

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and I'm looking forward to hearing some of your takes

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on these trades as well.

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Speaker 5: I will try to keep them tidy, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I hope you will, because we actually have a

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lot to cover today. I wanted to give a good

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spread of all the trades that have led up to

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this point since Christmas time, which this is typically our

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busy season for the tiered Dynasty people coming out of

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the World Juniors, they have a bit more awareness of

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some of the prospects on their roster, and so we

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do tend to see a lot of movement. This also

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precedes our very early trade deadline, which is approaching, and

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in fact, by the release of this episode, if you

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are a tiered Dynasty manager, you may only have six

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to eight hours left before trading is done. For the season.

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We do tend to end a little earlier in the

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season to allow for a robust playoff period because everybody

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is playing for something consequential in the Fantasy Hockey life

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tiered dynasty leagues. To give an example, if you're in

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the top six, you're in the playoffs, where either tier

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promotion or where Lord Stanley's glory await you. The middle

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six teams are playing for that seventh overall draft pick

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in a tournament, and the bottom four take part in

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a three matchup relegation tournament, which will decide, depending on

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your tier, which of the one to three teams will

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find themselves in a lower tier next season, and which

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team comes away with the first overall draft pick, which

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is in flux this season. As we all know, there

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is so much to discuss in so little time, So

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let's jump into it here with a trade from a

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tiny takes favorite. We're going back to Donna and the

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Mystics team in Lord Stanley, and this is a trade

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actually that involves you, Victor, and I'll invite you to

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jump in when the time is appropriate. Here Mystics acquired

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a favorite of yours, Victor defenseman Emuel Andre for defenseman

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Adam Yuricek, who recently just lit it up in the

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World Junior's Tournament and current Edmonton Timeshare goaltender Connor Ingram.

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Asking Mystics about this trade, Mystics at the time was

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not all that impressed with Ingram's AHL stats, and this

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deal was done before Ingram was called up to the

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Edmonton Oilers, and so Mystics didn't have high expectations if

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he did get called up to Edmonton, even though the

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Oilers are a good team. Mystics preferred to acquire a

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player who could help her this season, and she liked

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that Andrea was someone she could swing it from the

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Miners when needed. Adamirchik was tough to give up in

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the deal, but Ingram hadn't been called up at the

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time of the deal, so it wasn't understandable ask from Victor,

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and so Victor. Normally at this point i'd read the

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comments from the other manager. But given that you are

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the other manager, I'll throw it right to you. How

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did Donna manage to ranch Emiel Andre away from you?

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Perhaps Fantasy Hockey's greatest Emil Andre super fan.

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Speaker 4: I certainly do like him, but I think the bottom

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line is that we wanted to help each other, which

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is interesting because we're both in the same mushy middle there.

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But I think we're both safe from relegation, and I

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was looking at just acquiring some long term talent. She

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wanted someone that would help a little bit moreut more now,

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and I thought we both agreed that was Andre. I

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wanted some guys that maybe could help a little bit

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more later and was willing to give up a little

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bit of current production. I really believe in Andre. This

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is not me saying I don't like him. I think

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he's one of Philly's best defenders, and I think he's

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been earning more and more ice time, and I think

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with more ice time, he's going to have a little

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bit more irrelevance.

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Speaker 1: And I say I think save for this first, his first.

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Speaker 4: Season in Nashville in the last in Utah, Connor Ingram

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has been really good. There were personal issues in those

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in those seasons, but he's had solid expected goal numbers

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outside of that. And I had a feeling that once

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he adequately mourned the death of his mother, I believe

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that was what was going on with him, he'd get

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back to his game. And I think it's always a

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bit tough to look at HL numbers because they can

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be misleading. Defensive structure isn't as reliable in the NHL,

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and we've heard a lot of goalie coaches and people

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talk about this that some goalies can do fine there,

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but some can also find it really difficult because they

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have a little bit of lack of structure there. So

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I thought, and I've heard other people question Ingram's potential impact,

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but I always had faith in him and I acquired

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him everywhere I could, and I think now that he's

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showing it, and I think that he's showing he's a

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solid goalie, and I wouldn't be surprised if he worked

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his way into a time share or even a one

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a of the rest of this season. I even heard

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rumors out of Edmonton that they're not really naming Jari

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their starter, and I think that's because the two of

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them are probably still competing for stars.

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Speaker 1: So I really like getting Ingram. I'm not sure that

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he'll be the volume guy.

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Speaker 4: Goalies are very valuable and tidy because they don't affect

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the game's played limit. And at the other piece, I

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think we talked about jeered Check already out of mercheck

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a lot. I really like him, and my team is

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looking to the future, so this makes a lot of

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sense for me in the future, and hopefully he's a

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part of my competitive window.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, Rachek is. Hopefully he's going to be an

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important part of the Saint Louis top four defense corps

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going forward. And this will make you look very smart.

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Andre also a great player. I'm interested in getting Jesse's

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thoughts on the deal here as well. Jesse, how do

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you see Andre versus zero check and maybe with the

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Ingram sweetener in the context here as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense. Victor

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is pushing back and he's picking up an asset. I

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know you've always been a fan of Ingram, and if

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a guy can get into that position. If he could

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end up as a starter, that could just be huge.

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That's a huge upside play. I wonder whether that time

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has passed a little bit for right now. But between

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that and yeah, we've talked a lot about your check lately,

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so I think this was a win win for everybody involved.

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There are other guys coming up in Philly who could

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mess with Andrea's long term potential in that role. But yeah,

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this isn't the highest stakes trade in some ways, but

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getting a very valuable defenceman contributor is it is the

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hardest thing to do. It seems like in the tidy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure Donna is maybe regretting including Connor Ingram here.

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ahl Starts said stats not maybe being the best indicator

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of NHL goaltender quality. We've had plenty of examples of

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that this season alone. You talk about Carter Hart, who

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performed not so great with Henderson, you had a whole

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season of yesper Wolstead last season not performing up to

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the standard that people expect from him, and now he's

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one of the best goaltenders in the world and I'm

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sure that to Donna is regretting that portion, but I

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feel like Emuel Andre for Adam Yurchik is pretty same

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for me. And we'll stick here with Donna, but we'll

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swap it. Victor is the trade partner for yours, truly.

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Tidy's Takes listeners will know that Donna has been a

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great trade partner for the BFFs myself and Edward Swan

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all season long, and I did want to take you guys,

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take an opportunity, I should say to ask you guys

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about this trade that we made earlier in the year

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that is starting to not look so great from the

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BFF side. We had traded to Donna Sergei Bobrovski near

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the end of his contract here with Florida. Who knows

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what's going to happen next season, and he's getting up

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there in years. We had traded him for defenseman Thomas

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Harley for the Dallas Stars and defense prospect for the

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Columbus Blue Jackets, Jackson Smith. We knew that we would

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need to move Bob before the end of the season

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to recoup the full value on him, and Harley was

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a name that we really liked and at the time

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of the deal, he was on the shelf for a

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few weeks, which wouldn't have helped Donna, who was in

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the basement of the league at that time. Harley had

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at the had returned the same amount of points as

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Bob last year, and was younger and improving compared to Bob,

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declining all the usual stuff you consider when you're making

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a trade like this. We also needed a prospect d

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to strengthen our system, since we had traded Luca Cagnoni

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for Bob from Victor. Originally we did want Eurachek, who

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victor Is eventually snagged, but she did offer Jackson Smith,

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which we felt was fair and just. For the context here,

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the trade tree from Victor to us with the Bbrowski

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and through to Donna. We had eventually moved Blanchis the

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goaltender for Pittsburgh Joshua Waugh, and Luka Cagnoni for Zach Lawer,

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Thomas Harley and Jackson's Smith, so we feel pretty good

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about that all things considered. From mystic standpoint, the idea

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of goalies being hard to acquire was a major factor

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here for her making this trade, and her only number

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one was on the injured preserve at the time, it

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was willing to pay to get Bobrovski, and it came

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down to necessity over desire for Donna. In a league

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with relegation and being one of the three teams to

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move up last season, she knew the challenge would be large,

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especially that the three of those teams had to comprise

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their rosters from the relegated teams. With there being no

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such thing as a rebuild and the tidy setup. Acquiring

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a thirty eight year old goaltender for three young players

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with something that she needed to do to boost her

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ability to get points for this season and get points

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for the season, she did, victor. As you mentioned earlier,

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she is well out of relegation territory now. She is

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going to be sticking around in all likelihood in the

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Lord Stanley Division for the years to come and is

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actually on the cusp of making playoffs since acquiring Bobrovski

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and Sidney Crosby from yours. Truly, so this seems to

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have worked about as well as you can imagine for her.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, definitely, I think we know Donna is a

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trader and this was a win win. I would say

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part of number one, don't get relegated. She seems to

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pushing up towards being competitive.

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Speaker 1: She and I are in that same ballpark.

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Speaker 4: The teams at the very top are pretty stacked and

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unlikely that any else is going to unseat them. But

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aside from the top three or four teams, there's a

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and Pittsburgh Turtles are a year or two or more

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away from being competitive. Bob is old, but goalies can

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maintain some relevance a little bit longer.

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Speaker 1: I can see him getting another year or two.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't think he'll be the volume guy, but

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he'll he might continue to play, depending on the situation

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and what he wants. But I feel like he's still

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really good, and they're obviously still in their competitive window,

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so I think acquiring him makes a lot of sense

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cer only for this year, and maybe even not such

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a short sighted sort of acquisition. And Harley's a tough one.

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I love Thomas Harley. I've talked about him for years,

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about the talent. We've seen him at his best, we've

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seen what he can do, but also he can go

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dormant at times. But then you just pray for that opportunity,

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right because we see what happens, especially when Heyskin is

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out or he just happens to have these bursts of production.

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I think, frankly, i'd rather have someone a little bit

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more consistent. The swings with Harley are something that I

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don't generally like. I like players that can be a

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little bit more consistent. But I can't argue with the

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acquisition and the fact that he's on a good team,

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and so the Fenwick and the time on ice, all

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that gives him a really nice floor, and then the

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points and everything else is a bonus.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Dallas is in a bit.

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Speaker 4: Of a slide and not doing so well, but I'm

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sure that will turn around because they're too good of

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a team.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully he'll be there for you when the time

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really matters.

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Speaker 4: And Jackson Smith is an interesting one because we talked

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about last year wasn't really the season to go for defenseman.

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There weren't that many this season. In twenty twenty six

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draft has so many awesome defensemen, but Smith was one

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of the better ones in that draft for sure. His

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transition from Pence from WHL to Penn State has been

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a little less than awesome. He's been good, don't get

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me wrong. He's playing a lot, he's getting opportunity, he's

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play driving fairly well. But some of the underlying metrics

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with net expected goals and puck battles won haven't really

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been there. And his bash has been not great. Although

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that's whatever, it just gives him less of a Perferle floor,

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So it just hoping for a little bit more. I

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was hoping to bump him up in my puck stud ratings,

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but I had to just keep him neutral because he

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did fine with his jump up. But I was hoping

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for a little bit more, and hiss PNHL has actually

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decreased from seventy eight to sixty two. I don't think

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he was ever really going to be a point per

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game type of player. I think he has tremendous upside

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if it all works out. So yeah, I think that

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he's a good one to bet on. He's still just eighteen.

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He's actually a really young eighteen, young for his draft class,

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so I could see that production trending up and the

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raw skills are still there. Some of the underlying metrics

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maybe just a little concerning, but again I think give

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a time. It's too early to make big judgments on

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players that young. So overall, I like the trade win win.

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Speaker 3: I would say, I appreciate you alleviating some of my

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concerns they're Victor about Jackson Smith. I do, I do

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know he is still very young and he has a

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lot of funnel yet to go. Jesse, any thoughts from

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you on Jackson Smith, Thomas Harley or Bob at this

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point in his career.

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Speaker 5: For one thing, whenever I hear that name, I want

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to put in Jigba at the end of it, one

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of those great wide receivers for the Seahawks. Too soon, Victor,

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I'm sorry Seahawks, but yeah, no, I think this makes

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great sense for both sides. Don't you just love Mystics, man.

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Mystics makes the tidy like twice as good because she

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is not afraid to trade, and she does. She does

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very well with that. She makes trades. They don't necessarily

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bury other teams, but she knows how to trade for

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her own team, and I appreciate that. Bobrovski, Yeah, t

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raading for Bobrovski, it's a bet it's a hedge in

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your bed a little bit. Knowing his age, trying to

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avoid the relegation. Victor feels like he's going to be

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able to stay away from that. Yeah, but he's going

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to give out. And again I reiterate getting good defensemen

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filling those slots is just so big in this format

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because you need a lot of them. And Jackson Smith

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and Thomas Harley are two good ones. You're buying Loan

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Harley right now. I feel like, and partly because Mira

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Hayskin's just out of his mind, but everybody going to

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Penn State seems to be having trouble. Maybe you guys

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shouldn't go to Penn State. Go to There's I was

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not in hockey, but I don't know, go to Wisconsin

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or something. Yeah, I don't know, man, but I think

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this was fair for both sides.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, if we had some Badgers here instead

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of some Nitney Lions, we'd have a different So we'd

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have a different story here, Jesse.

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Speaker 5: The funny thing is a few years ago the Badgers

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were kind of like this too, right. They had all

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these talented guys in a team full of guys who

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ended up as high prospects, even like the Cole Kaw

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Fields Dyllan Holloways, who did all right for those but

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the team kind of stunk in college didn't Some things

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weren't going right there, So I don't know. We'll see

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what comes out of all these guys Penn State attracted

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with Terry Pegoula's money and what they're able to do

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in the future.

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Speaker 3: I think it's maybe just that Terry Pegoula is a

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little curse, but that's probably a topic for another podcast.

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Back to this deal, just to close it off, I

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agree with you guys that everyone got what they went

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in for. I'm starting to think it's possible that I

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went a little aggressive with our retool. And I say

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I in this context because Ed is usually the conscience

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in our managing group, and I will definitely take credit

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for wanting to aggressively retool when face with the prospect

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of losing to NHL Rankking, Mason and Jack Z in

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the finals. Again, I am as you said, Jesse. I'm

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happy we have guys like Harley and Smith to strengthen

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our young decor, but ultimately we may have to look

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for other solutions for those or else spots if they

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end up not being worth the hype, which could be

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possible here with Smith underperforming thus far in his young

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D plus one season and Harley making the impact he

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has with the Stars this season. But anyways, we'll move

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on here from a guy in Jackson Smith who was

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cut from his world junior team to a major piece

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of one of the better World junior teams this year.

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We're talking about Carter George here, who did start a

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number of games for the bronze medal winning Canadian team

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this year, and a team that the BFFs are facing

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this week. In the final week of the regular season,

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in the tidy Ia, Kanuck acquired goaltender Carter George for

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I'm from the London Spider Knights for defenseman Dimitri Simyshev,

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and the managers had this to say. Aaknucks that to

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London Spider Knights did send over the offer and decided

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it was a fair and worthwhile gamble based on Aaknuck's

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team needs that he didn't expect either player to provide

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value in the short term, but felt it would be

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easier to backfill the defensive pool rather than the goalies.

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A Kanuck joined recently, the Tidy Tidy Lord Stanley League,

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and that the dispersal pool was weak for both defensive

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players and goaltenders, ending up with van Melka and Hill

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earlier than they would have liked. So he's really struggled

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for goalie points this season and that they're hard to

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come by with the depth of the league. The Tidy

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really prioritizes these goaltending starts, and so he saw the

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goalie position as a major long term need for the

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team to become a contender. So adding a talented prospect

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like George that has the potential to be a solid

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starting goaltender in the league seemed like a good hedge,

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and at the time of the trade, Simashev had been

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demoted to the AHL, but was certainly considered a key

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piece of Canucks miners decorps. While he has enviable size

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and skating ability, in twenty four games with the Mammoth,

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he did have one assist, very few hits or blocks,

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and his Russian stats did not demonstrate much offensive upside.

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So he had already started to wonder whether he would

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end up a better real life option than a fantasy option.

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So he thinks it's possible that the Spider Knights caught

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him in a moment of doubt over to the Spider

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Knights that he has been looking quietly to move George

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for a couple of months, that his pedigree and talent

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are undeniable, but seeing him play live a dozen times

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and the last three to four times he had been

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pretty bad, getting beat cleanly by shot, playing too deep

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in his net. A lot of this sounds familiar compared

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to what we saw in the World Juniors when he

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lost the net to Jack Ivankovic. I would say he

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was worried that opinion would drop on him after the

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World Juniors, which it now has, and that he was

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targeting a young NHLD prospect who was close. Having a

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pretty good gauge on George's value after trying to move

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him for so long, he felt that Simyshev would be

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a pretty even one for one, And we do have

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a one for one deal where everyone comes out of

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here with what they're looking for. Two very smart managers here,

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as you can see from their comments. Where do you

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come down, Victor on Carter George versus Dmitri Simyshev.

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Speaker 4: I love that London Spider Knights trusted what he saw

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call your shop.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. I think you gotta trust your gut.

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Speaker 4: You gotta trust what you gotta trust what you know

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you find valuable, and lean into that right whatever your

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source is. I don't think either of these guys are

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going to be of the variety that are super regrettable

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to trade away, so I think that's worth framing as

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I cannot mentioned Simyshev just doesn't score. He never has

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really ever in his entire career, so I don't know

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why he would do that now. He is a fairly

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strong play driver and tidy rewards. Fenwick takeaway his time

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on ice, so that gives him a bit of a floor.

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But even that, he is well below replacement level in

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his points per game that he's doing this season, and

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he's already playing decent minutes and having some of those

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other stats in his favor, So that makes you a

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little worried that maybe his floor isn't going to be

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what we thought it was. I do what a Utah's building,

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but some Michev's prifs are really bad, and that makes

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me wonder if he can get.

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Speaker 1: Over above replacement. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: And leagues that don't reward play driving. I think I

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would have zero interest in Simachev, and I've mentioned before

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that I've always thought he's going to be a better

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real life player than a fantasy player. Even back to

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the draft, I remember saying, I just don't for fantasy,

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I just don't see it. I see it for a

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real life I think he'll help the team. He's one

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of those kind of guys. And his puck said rating

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has hovered in the fives. I finally dropped him back

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below five, which means that I think he's going to

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be below an average roster player, meaning below replacements. I

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think he's very likely to be an NHLer, but I

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don't think he's very likely to be an impact on

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your team. George is a goalie, as we all know.

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I think that is going to just take a lot longer. Right,

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He's got to see professional shots, he's got to improve

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his development, and a lot of these things aren't in control.

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But he's been in the OHL for four seasons and

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he really needs to graduate and see some type of competition,

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which he will, and then that'll probably take two to

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three years until he is ready to contribute at the

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NHL level. If you look at the hockey prospecting model

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for Carter George. There's some reasonable comps. So there's a

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bunch of not great. You got Andre Pavla, Carter Hutton,

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and probably the best comp is Jack Campbell, and anyone

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who's along the ride for the Jack Campbell experience can

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tell you it was a roller coaster and there was

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a lot of holding him and nothing happening, being frustrated.

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There was some few glorious moments there, but generally he

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was a frustrating player, sure in fantasy, and I think

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that might end up being what Carter George is. On

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the other hand, we do know that there's not a

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very strong prospect pool for goalies in LA, so they

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might just have to acquire someone, or they might give

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him or Slakinski a chance and maybe one of them

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will emerge. But I would push back on a little

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bit on the idea that Carter George is a very

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likely starter in the NHL. I think he is probably

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a one B at best and certainly has some upside,

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but I would I don't think I'm super excited about

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his prospects.

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00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:38,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not either. Victor goalies are super valuable in

477
00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:40,720
the TIDY, but You're right that George has a long

478
00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:43,960
way to go. He's probably about three to five years

479
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,920
from having the kind of value that you're talking about here.

480
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,960
With a one B potential occasional tandem goaltender value in

481
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,400
our league which allows unlimited goalie starts a week over week,

482
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,480
that is a good asset to have, But if we're

483
00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:59,000
many years away from that, Iakanuck could not be in

484
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,519
the league by this. It just is the way that

485
00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:04,200
these these leagues tend to work when you don't even

486
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,279
take into account the relegation aspect. Ultimately, if George ends

487
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,119
up like a Carter huttn or a Jack Campbell, he

488
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,440
will have some value in Spurts, but probably not as

489
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:16,079
much as quickly as Dimitri Simyschev would have, especially considering

490
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,519
his peripheral stats and likely huge time on ice. I

491
00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,240
think it's possible we could have several years of Simyshev

492
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,079
as a four ish fantasy points per game guy before

493
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,480
Carter George even sniff's the NHL. So that's my thought

494
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:30,880
on the matter. Jesse, anything to add on Carter George

495
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,480
or Dmitri Simyschev from your perch.

496
00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 5: The real swinger here is Simashev. A four point guy,

497
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,119
like you say, or is he a three point guy?

498
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,599
Because if there's one thing you can always get in tidy,

499
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,799
it's a three point guy. But a four point guy

500
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,440
makes a difference. And therein lies the entire difference here,

501
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,160
because if Simyschev turns into somebody who were Victor's coming from,

502
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,079
is never going to have enough offensive or even enough

503
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,440
bash to maintain consistent fantasy production. And truly he is

504
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,079
the most fungible asset that you can possibly find. There's

505
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,359
always defenseman who can score a couple of points on

506
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240
the waiver wire in our format. Carter George, on the

507
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,759
other hand, you're I love the compare the prospecting model.

508
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,920
If you're a patron, you can see these things. If

509
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,240
you're not, you can't. But him and Jack Campbell aren't

510
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,480
compared here because Carter George has this kind of tiny

511
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,160
equivalency score all the way up to his D two

512
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,160
year just exactly almost the same as Jack Campbell, and

513
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400
then on his D three, D four, D five, Jack

514
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,599
Campbell goes through the roof. So I guess we're expecting

515
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,279
that's what Carter George is going to do. I probably

516
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,680
would like the George side of this deal a little

517
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,799
bit better because I'm also a little bit a little

518
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,480
bit unsure about simaschef and with George, the upside of

519
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,480
having a starting goal in you always need that, and

520
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,720
the guy who started for Canada and the World Juniors

521
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,799
is pretty that's some good pedigree. We've got some good

522
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:01,039
things going for Carter George. And yeah, so I probably

523
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:04,160
like the Carter George sided this more. But it's defensible

524
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,200
if you think Simbaschev is going to be that guy.

525
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, Jesse. And as someone

526
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,480
who is currently rostering Alex Vlasek and who bought into

527
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,799
the hype of him a couple of years ago, hoping

528
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,079
that he would be that four fantasy points per game guy,

529
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,799
I can tell you that we regret that move certainly.

530
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,200
So if Simbaschev is another Lassek, then I think probably

531
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:25,839
Carter George is what you want to go with here,

532
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,759
just for the potential. We'll keep rolling along here with

533
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,119
another player from that Canadian junior team, and one who

534
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,440
found himself on both sides of Canada's triumphs and eventual

535
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,920
downfall in the semi finals. That would be Zane Perek, who,

536
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,599
along with Joel Farrabee were acquired by one of my

537
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,480
favorite names in the Tidy, the as Chin, who we

538
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,480
will heretofore refer to as Matt because I don't want

539
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,279
to keep saying the as Chin for the next ten

540
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:57,000
minutes of this segment. So Matt acquired left wing Joel

541
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:02,039
Ferraby and defenser defenseman Zane p from Tidy favorite Scott

542
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:05,680
Atter for Nikita nes Durenko, a depth forward in the

543
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,640
Anaheim system, and defenseman Victor Hedman. Matt had this to

544
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,680
say that he realized his team wasn't strong enough to

545
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,759
compete at the top of the big Dogs. Scott had

546
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:16,759
acquired him a select few players, The only one he

547
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,799
was willing to listen on was Headman. In true Scott fashion,

548
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:23,319
the first offer was trash. I don't blame him, though

549
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,279
I'd do the same thing. Then he started dangling Perek

550
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,759
and a guy for Headman and a guy. Now he's

551
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,240
got my attention. I ended up slow playing for a

552
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,480
week or two. Headman being injured the first time slowed

553
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,880
things down as well. Then one day Scott sent me

554
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,359
what became the trade deal, and I decided to accept

555
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,119
dealing a stud like Headman away is never easy, especially

556
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,000
for a prospect, even a blue chip prospect like Perek

557
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,400
is never a guarantee, and Matt on that you and

558
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,240
I agree. So, speaking of Scott Tidy Takes, listeners might

559
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,920
recall an episode last season where we covered one of

560
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,880
Scott's trades and his contribution to the segment of the

561
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,519
podcast was a semi erotic reading of his state of

562
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,359
mind when he consummated this trade. Let's say I asked

563
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200
for his feedback, once again against my best judgment, and

564
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,079
asked for him to tone down some of the X

565
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,880
rated elements. And here's what he had to say. As always,

566
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,079
I'm reading it verbatim and I'm rolling up my sleeves.

567
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,319
Speaker 4: Here.

568
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,519
Speaker 3: There comes a point in some people's lives when everything

569
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:21,079
slows down, the dogs stop barking, the cars stop honking,

570
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,680
and total clarity is achieved. For me, that came in

571
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,759
early December when a man with a chin like a

572
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,799
butt accepted my inquiries about Victor had been Inumber turned

573
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,599
for a top prospect. The moment of clarity had not

574
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,839
yet come for the rear end faced man, and he

575
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,240
dodged making any decisions like a rich kid from the

576
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,519
military draft. But it finally came to fruition and made

577
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,839
total sense for both of us. It was clear to

578
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,119
me that Zamperrek wasn't going to do much in Calgary

579
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,559
this season. When I drafted him, it was early based

580
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,079
on my feeling that he would come in and take

581
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,799
powerplay one Jesse he takes the last doughnut. But it

582
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,920
was too obvious this wasn't panning outright. Chinny as I

583
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,119
like to call him, didn't want to give up hope

584
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,960
for this season just yet. But I knew the Calgary

585
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,559
flame and his eyes shine bright, and he didn't want

586
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:02,960
to miss the chance to get his hands on the

587
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
chosen one. In all honesty, I was worried that Perek's

588
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,920
defense was going to keep him out of maybe ever

589
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,599
getting the big minutes. Best case scenario I felt for

590
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,279
him was that he becomes an Evan Bouchard type player

591
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:16,119
in two or three years. I don't have time in

592
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,839
the Tidy to wait two or three years, and so

593
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,799
I wanted to strike now. Headman has been a near

594
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920
lock for six Fantasy points per game in the Tidy,

595
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,440
and at thirty five years old, he feels confident in

596
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,519
at least five points for this and the next two

597
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,240
seasons as long as he's healthy. Waiting for Perek to

598
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,160
get to five or six points was not something I

599
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,119
wanted to do. I had shopped Perek to a few

600
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,000
other struggling teams, but most of them were trying to

601
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,440
avoid relegation, so I wasn't getting solid productivity from them.

602
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400
Last year, I made big moves early on older players

603
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,440
and it paid off with the Division championship, and so

604
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,880
I was in Chinese's ear regularly to make sure the

605
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,519
deal got done. I added Farrabi when it felt like

606
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,079
he was wavering a bit, and just as for a

607
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160
nice miner's eligible flex option with nest Orenko. In return,

608
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,000
I didn't need Farabi, and Nestorenko has helped. It's unfortunate

609
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:00,839
right after this that had been went down the second

610
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,200
time for a surgery. I'm confident he'll come back and

611
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680
help me finish strong, and that Scott I don't agree with,

612
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,680
but we'll get into that. I don't miss Perek at all,

613
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,240
and after the way he looked on defense in the

614
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,000
World Juniors, I feel even more vindicated now in my decision,

615
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,839
even if he does have so much offensive potential. Victor.

616
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,759
I hate to say it, but I agree with Scott

617
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:24,319
Ugh that Perek's defense might restrict him from playing big

618
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:27,279
minutes and thereby limit his fantasy production. And I know

619
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:28,920
that you disagree with me on this, so why don't

620
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,519
you go ahead?

621
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 4: Maybe not entirely, but let's talk about the minor pieces first.

622
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,079
Fairbe is below replacement level by a considerable margin. It's

623
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,599
always possible, as a somewhat young player that he improves,

624
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,079
but I don't really see it at this point. I

625
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,400
think that he's been around long enough and we know

626
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,480
who he is. I'm not a huge fan of that one,

627
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,039
and I'm not counting on him getting any better. Mister

628
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,400
enko Is has sixty one NHL games over four seasons.

629
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,440
He's the definition of just a guy a jag. He's

630
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:00,680
minor eligible though, so I guess you like that, and

631
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,559
Anaheim with the off night schedule. Sure, that's certainly a

632
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,519
reasonable acquisition. Headman, he's slowing down, and the emergence of

633
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,759
Darren Radish one of the surprises, if not the biggest surprise,

634
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,440
of this entire season, I would say, is has been

635
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,759
Darren Radish, and that has massively and will continue to

636
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,200
massively depress Headman's value. I'm not sure that is going

637
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,279
to change too much when Headman comes back. I think

638
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,839
they're going to be happy to have him back and

639
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
play big minutes and help the team, but I'm not

640
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,079
sure they're going to just hand the reins of the

641
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,440
power play back over to him. And I have Hedman

642
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,440
in a couple spots, so that's really going to hurt

643
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,519
me and my chances. But Scodder, he didn't know that

644
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,240
at the time, and I'm sure Hedman will still help

645
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,839
a lot more than PreK will this season, even if

646
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,079
prec ends up taking off a bit. I think the

647
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,359
floor for Headman is higher beyond this season. I do

648
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,640
have serious doubts Hedman isn't much without power play points.

649
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,359
I went back and looked at this and he has

650
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,359
had double digit power play points in every season except

651
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,200
twenty eleven and twenty twelve, and as many as thirty

652
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,960
in a season, So in those high end seasons, it's

653
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,480
almost entirely based on his power play production. Without that,

654
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,640
I don't think he's more than just a very average defenseman.

655
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,680
He might be more like a Me or heiskin in

656
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:13,720
Er not even that, as someone who's just not even

657
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,799
on a power play and this season. I'm not sure

658
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,599
he's even gonna get the double digits he's at six.

659
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Is he gonna get a lot more than that when

660
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,920
he comes back?

661
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,559
Speaker 1: Possibly not.

662
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,279
Speaker 4: We've talked about Perek a lot, and so I definitely

663
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,480
want to throw to you run and get your thoughts

664
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
because I know you have some different opinions, but in

665
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,480
the league that gives you negative points for turnovers and Fenwick,

666
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,960
I think Parrek is gonna have an especially hard time

667
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,359
returning value because those are things that are not his

668
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,400
forte and he can struggle with. And we do see

669
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,160
the Anderson trade now going to Vegas, so that should

670
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,119
give him a little bit more opportunity and get a

671
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440
little bit more bandwidth to show what he can do.

672
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,359
But I do still have concerns Ryan, So let's hear

673
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,920
your thoughts.

674
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

675
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,359
Speaker 3: I've been pretty outspoken on our Fantasy Hockey left discord

676
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,759
about Zane Perrek, and I love him from an offense standpoint.

677
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,240
I don't know how you could watch him in the

678
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,759
offensive zone pick corners with that quick wrist shot. It's

679
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,119
certainly exciting, and so I give him full credit for that,

680
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920
But for me, it felt like every time the puck

681
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,799
got into the Canadian zone, and especially on the cycle

682
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,480
that Zane Perek and his de partner Cam Reid were

683
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,720
always out of position. And I know that the World

684
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,039
Juniors is a snapshot in time and you shouldn't base

685
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:26,319
your entire opinion on a player on that, but the

686
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:29,480
reality is here that Zaane Perek is playing against his

687
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,119
peers here, and against his peers he looked out of place.

688
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,519
So as a guy who's going to get pushed around

689
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,079
from a size perspective, I think you at least need

690
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:39,720
to be in the right spot on the ice to

691
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
make it difficult for the opponent. Even if you're going

692
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,440
to get dummied in front of the net, you should

693
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240
be in front of the net and not like over

694
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,599
on the half wall when people are scoring on your goaltender.

695
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,079
There's no denying that Perek has good stick skills, and

696
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,240
he's not the worst rookie I've ever seen gapping up

697
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,319
the blue line or doing that kind of transition defense.

698
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,680
But the end zone defense, for me, is a really

699
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,319
tough look, and I have believing that an NHL coach

700
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,279
will give him a regular shot if he can't even

701
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:05,759
be in the right place on the ice in the

702
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,000
defensive zone. Maybe he could learn that. Maybe that takes time,

703
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,039
and I'm being a little harsh on him, but that's

704
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,519
where I am on Zaane Perrek right now. Jesse, do

705
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,359
you have any thoughts am I being a little too

706
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,640
hurd on the young lad here.

707
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 5: I'm still reeling from catching this donut related straight that

708
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,079
I took here not to mention Victor or not. You

709
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,079
talking about Matt consummating the trade, which is too much

710
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,279
to deal with. I again, it's a win win. Clearly

711
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,279
Matt is in the bag for the Calgary Flames. That

712
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,720
seems to be what's happening here with Farbi and Perrek.

713
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,319
I don't know what you're into, Matt, but I still

714
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,880
believe in Perrek. I still Perrek. I took Perek in

715
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,079
the Dang Crossover League with Brian and Elin and Victor

716
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
a few weeks ago. I believe in the less set

717
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,880
about that draft right now, the better. But I still

718
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,799
do think that Perek is going to end up being

719
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,160
something reasonable. And yeah, we may things end and Victor

720
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,039
Headman going through these injuries and his production going down

721
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,799
and Darren Radish coming up, it's we could have the

722
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,039
Drewidoud detail to his career, or we could just have

723
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,079
the sudden stop. So I think that Matt is not

724
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,559
unwise to make this trade. But Scott made a reasonable bet,

725
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,000
especially before he knew that Heedmand was going to be

726
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,280
injured here, and I have Fabians, Drinko or the secondary

727
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,360
pieces here. I traded for fair Be earlier this year

728
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
and it hasn't really done much for me. I just

729
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,599
needed a left wing role bad. But yeah, we'll see

730
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,639
what comes to that each team. Once again, this is

731
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,559
again it's a win now for a pay up later,

732
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,840
we hope type trade.

733
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Victor, do you have anything to respond

734
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,039
here about my thoughts on Perrek. I know it's like

735
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,199
low hanging fruit to be like, if you can't be

736
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,559
in the defensive zone, then you can't play in the NHL.

737
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,079
But that's where I'm at.

738
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Oh, no, for sure.

739
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 4: And we've seen this with some of the high end

740
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,239
forwards recently. We've seen Mitchkov really struggle to hit his

741
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,119
high end. We've seen some of the other high offensively

742
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,199
gifted forwards. And it's even so much more of an

743
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,360
issue with defenceman right because a forward usually if you're

744
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440
a little bit in the wrong spot, it usually isn't

745
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480
as catastrophic, but it's so much more obvious when a

746
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,719
defenceman does it. And we've seen PreK just have some

747
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,480
iage in this on the World Junior Show, is that

748
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,960
his lapses are just so obvious when it happens. So

749
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,480
I think that coaches are going to it depends on

750
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,440
what coach. Some are a little bit more forgiving, but

751
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,039
generally NHL coaches are not very forgiving or understanding of that.

752
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,320
And I think it's going to take him either a

753
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,880
really long time or he could just completely fizzle out

754
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,079
because he struggles with that and doesn't really get the message,

755
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,719
and so that would obviously be a really bad outcome.

756
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,239
But I think people don't want to believe that, or

757
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,679
don't want to see that, or don't want to hear that,

758
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,360
and they just want to look at the positives. And

759
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,639
I think you've got to be realistic and say, an

760
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
NHL team has to put this guy out here eighteen

761
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,719
plus minutes a night for him to be and they

762
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,760
have to trust him in many situations. And I just

763
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,239
find that's going to be a challenge, and not that

764
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,920
he can't get there, but I right now and from

765
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,639
the more that I.

766
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,079
Speaker 1: Saw from him in this tournament. The more concerned I

767
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,199
am actually, And the.

768
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,639
Speaker 3: Last thing I'll mention here, guys, is that it's not

769
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,400
like Zane doesn't have competition for that role going forward.

770
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,360
We saw earlier this week after the Rasmus Anderson trade

771
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,880
that Hunter Brucetevitch actually got the first look on power

772
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,400
Play one, and he is older than Perek and so

773
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,119
he would have been playing against pro defenseman a little

774
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,199
bit longer than Parrek. And if it doesn't end up

775
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,400
working out with Perek, they have an option to go

776
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,159
to in Bruce Eva. He's going to have to work

777
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,400
extra hard to make sure that he stands out over

778
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,480
a guy like Brucetevitch, even if they both have similar concerns. Anyways,

779
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,320
we've covered a lot here on the first half. It's

780
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,519
time for us to take a quick break. You're listening

781
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:53,000
to Tidy Takes. All I do is we wi we

782
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,719
no matter what what got.

783
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:55,639
Speaker 6: Money ol Man.

784
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,079
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Tidy Takes, and we're starting the second

785
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:59,679
half of the show here with the Meatia trade to

786
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:03,239
dig up teeth into with twelve moving parts. Here forgive

787
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,960
me as I take a moment to read a bunch

788
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,119
of names. Suitor McGavin from the Tidy Yager Division acquires

789
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,559
winger Kent Johnson, all around forward Ridley greg right winger

790
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,119
Braden Bowman of the Vegas Golden Knights, defensive prospect Harris

791
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,199
and Bruneke from the Pittsburgh Penguins, defensive standout prospect for

792
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,159
the Washington Capitals, Cole Hudson and left wing surprise for

793
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,760
the Red Wings, and Finney. Mack in the Saddle again

794
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,880
acquires right winger Nikita Kucherov, left winger Mason marchmant winger

795
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,159
Jack Rossellvick of the Edmonton Oilers, defenseman Dimitri Simaschev who

796
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,360
we've talked about a little bit, and then two depths

797
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,440
Luke centers Luke Aymes and Luke Misa. Mack in the

798
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,920
Saddle again was voted overwhelmingly the winner of this trade

799
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,920
because they acquired Nikita Kuchrov. So we'll get into that,

800
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,320
but here's what the managers had to say about this.

801
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,559
Rob is suitor McGavin. We've talked about Rob a lot

802
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,360
on the podcast this season. He says, okay, so since

803
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,199
my Larkin deal, I have not been able to make

804
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,920
any further upgrade deals, even slow upgrades. I've spanned every

805
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,400
owner in the league once or twice with a similar deal,

806
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,719
and no one wants to downgrade for futures. My team

807
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400
is in free fall with Kucharov on it, and I

808
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,519
figured I can upgrade on some of my bubble players

809
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,599
with youth that I expect to improve between now and playoffs.

810
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,440
I did not foresee Marchman moving to Columbus and becoming

811
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
relevant again, Nor did I see Kucharov going from seven

812
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880
points a game to twelve points a game. Now was

813
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,360
the best time to move him. And that's all. And

814
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,039
Jeff is mac in the saddle again. The victor of

815
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,519
this trade is voted by our tidy managers. Pretty simple, right,

816
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,119
Not only do I have Nathan McKinnon, but I now

817
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,840
have Nathan McKinnon. In a career year, you only get

818
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,119
so many chances to win your league, and obviously McKinnon

819
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,920
gives me that chance. Adding somebody like Kucherov gives me

820
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
an even better chance, And depending on your league. In

821
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,480
the format, I feel like prospects can be largely overvalued.

822
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,920
Like I love Cole Hudson, I've been trying to deal

823
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,239
for him in different dynasty leagues. I think he's going

824
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,480
to have a really good NHL career, but he's also

825
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,000
only nineteen, and the value proposition for me in Tidy

826
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,199
was when was he going to add value to this

827
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,920
team in this league three years from now, four years,

828
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,480
five years. I also liked getting back Mason Marchman and

829
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,719
Jack Rossovic in the deal. I thought Marchman was a

830
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,320
distressed asset in Seattle and far better than his numbers.

831
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,400
I obviously got extremely fortunate that he was dealt to Columbus.

832
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,119
Rossovic looked a lot better in Edmonton before Hymen came back,

833
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,480
and now he's just getting scraps on the power play Victor.

834
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,199
Perhaps it's not all that surprising that sense acquiring Nikita Kuchirov.

835
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,480
Jeff and Mack in the saddle are undefeated and cruising

836
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,639
towards a bye in the Tidy Yoger playoffs with his

837
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,880
kooch Mac Stack. What do you think about this?

838
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cooch is the man right, and basically Jeff got

839
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,960
scraps along with the Kida Kutrov. But he got a

840
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,400
Nikida Kutrov, so that's really all that matters. In fact,

841
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,480
Jesse and I and are common League just had another

842
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,559
trade go down yesterday for Kutrov, and I was pulling

843
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,039
my non existent hair out at the return because I

844
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:54,719
was like, oh my gosh.

845
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,639
Speaker 1: This was He's so good, he can win you the league.

846
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: And this player got Kooch, Darren and bradon point for

847
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,960
not enough in my opinion. But let's go through these

848
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,840
guys here as we're talking about it. Marchman, Rosslovic, they're fine.

849
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,239
Their depths slash maybe average roster players depending on how

850
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,039
they're going at the time. We've seen Rosslovic have more relevance,

851
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,960
but that was really when there were injuries, and since

852
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Hymen's been back, he hasn't been able to do as much.

853
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,679
We saw a brief increase from March when he moved

854
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,480
to Columbus, but I think ultimately he's just a guy

855
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,039
that's going to be in that middle six and have

856
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,159
some relevance at times. Luke Haymes, I don't think is

857
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,880
a guy anyone needs to worry about. Luke Meta has

858
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000
an exciting last name, but he's not the exciting Mesa

859
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,320
that you want, and I don't think he's really gonna

860
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,760
do much. I'm not even sure that he's in NHL

861
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,039
or frankly, if he is, he's maybe a depth guy,

862
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,320
bottom of the lineup kind of guy. We already talked

863
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,559
about simaschef, and so we don't need to talk about

864
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,239
him too much more except that I think he'll always

865
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,159
leave you wanting more when Cooch is Cooch.

866
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: So I think Jeff did great.

867
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 4: There For Rob's side, kJ, Grig, Bowman, Brunick, Finny, they're

868
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,800
all decent pieces, some are more than others. Can kJ

869
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,320
rEFInd his game, I'm not so sure. Coaching change and

870
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,800
some different deployment. We've seen him at his best. He's

871
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,360
super exciting and he's electric. But I personally can stand

872
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,320
rostering players like Kent Johnson because there's so many just

873
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,480
zeros are very low production games that it just drives

874
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,159
me crazy. I want someone that at least is going

875
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,480
to give me a solid floor, solid average, and kJ

876
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,199
is not that guy. So he's someone that I'd have

877
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,559
a hard time with. But if you're going to if

878
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,360
you have time to be patient and hope he can

879
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,440
rediscover his production, then there's certainly potential there. Greg I

880
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,320
think has been a bit of a revelation, and I

881
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,199
think people might actually be snoozing a bit on how

882
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,440
good really Greg has been. And we've seen him recently

883
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,039
in the playing top line, playing with Kachuk and Stufsla

884
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,880
and getting some great deployment there and producing.

885
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: He is a pretty good defensive player.

886
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he's the best offensively, but I think

887
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,199
he adds value to that top six and he's someone

888
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,239
who could stick there. So I like that one a lot.

889
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,719
I think he had his moment. I think he's just

890
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,239
gonna be an average guy and Bruniki. I think he

891
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,639
might end up being a lot like Simachev, someone who's

892
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,719
just a guy. He's got some decent skills. He can

893
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,559
move the puck, he can skate, but I don't think

894
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,880
he's ever gonna do much that's going to make you

895
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,639
super excited.

896
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,679
Speaker 1: Finny.

897
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,639
Speaker 4: He had his moment. I'm not convinced that he's done.

898
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,519
I think that he still has more to offer. I

899
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,960
think he could stick around as someone who flexes up

900
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000
and down the lineup. Definitely a better asset for the

901
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,199
Detroit Red Wings than he is for your fantasy team

902
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,000
unless he's in one of those moments of great deployment.

903
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:36,039
But yeah, he's not really a huge mover one way

904
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,000
or the other. I think all of this comes down

905
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,159
to Cole Hudson. He's incredible, and I think he's going

906
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,079
to be likely as good or better than his brother.

907
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:46,000
That's he's an incredible talent. I think the upside is massive.

908
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,320
Of course, we don't know that he'll be as good

909
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,719
as his brother, but let's assume he is. Kouchov right

910
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,880
now is six in points per game in the tidy

911
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,320
Lane Hudson is twenty one. Even if Cole gets to

912
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,880
where Lane is, I'm not sure that Rob got enough.

913
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,800
I think that there should have been some higher blue

914
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,719
chip assets coming back the other way. I see a

915
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,519
lot of I see Cole Hudson, and a lot of

916
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,360
maybe's and decent guys. It's true that the depth of

917
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,280
this depth of this side far outweighs the depth of

918
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,039
what Jeff got.

919
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:14,199
Speaker 1: That's certainly true.

920
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,679
Speaker 4: But I think that I much prefer that side, and

921
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,079
I think, if you're looking at it in this situation,

922
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,039
to me, the high end pieces need to be more

923
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,960
equal before you can want to have the depth pieces

924
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
be a little bit better. So I think this one

925
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:30,719
certainly leans in the Kutrov direction.

926
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, Victor on that last point.

927
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,639
There and just for the benefit of the listener here,

928
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,519
because I know we've been throwing around just a ton

929
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,360
of names. I want to just do an exercise that

930
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,760
I'd like to do with these big trades and find

931
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,960
where the pieces cancel each other out. And I think

932
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,280
this is where you're going with this. I think if

933
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,960
you look at Harrison Bruniki compared to Dimitri Simaschev, I

934
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,760
think those pieces cancel out. I think it's a good

935
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,960
argument to say that a guy like Emmitt Finny and

936
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,559
a guy like Braden Bowman will be better or at

937
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,079
least equal to what Luke Cam's w Luke Misa can provide.

938
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,639
It's questionable as to whether hayms are Mesa will even

939
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,239
make it to the NHL. So I think you can

940
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,159
call that a win right there for Rob And then

941
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,320
you have to look at Ridley greg and Kent Johnson

942
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,880
as the return for Mason Marchman and Jack Rosselvick, and

943
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,519
to that I agree. I mean there's some you can

944
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,320
say Kent Johnson or Mason Marchmant is better, depending on

945
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,199
the day, I think, And I'll talk a little bit

946
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,159
more about that in a second. Ridley Greg, as you said,

947
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,559
has been a huge revelation and I would prefer him

948
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,159
to Jack Rosselvick. And so we do see here that

949
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,280
Rob in theory did upgrade a lot of the pieces

950
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,880
he was looking for to upgrade, and so that I

951
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,239
think can be counted as a win for him. And

952
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,199
if I know Rob like I know Rob, and I

953
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,360
think he's probably kicking himself a bit on this one

954
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000
just because of the Kucharov element. He is a smart

955
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,079
guy and recognize that his entire team needed an upgrade,

956
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:47,639
and so I do want to just take a look

957
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,119
at the upside he did acquire. I personally, Victor still

958
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,639
believe in Kent Johnson. I think he still has the

959
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,000
potential to be a roster lock in our tidy format,

960
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,719
which would have him at around sixty to seventy points

961
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,880
per season with the kind of no peripherals that he provides.

962
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,199
So that's where I think he's going. We might see

963
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,159
him on that kind of pace to close the season here.

964
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,639
As he also has a new fan in Columbus head

965
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,280
coach Rick Bonis, who has given him increased ice time

966
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,840
and responsibility since taking over for Dean Evison, Kent Johnson

967
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,760
does find himself on the top power play with the

968
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,039
likes of Fantillian Marchenko, and he's insulated at even strength

969
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,360
with veterans like Boone Jenner and Sean Monaghan. And he's

970
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,159
the clear scoring threat on that line, which leads the

971
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Jackets in even strength ice time since Bonus taking over.

972
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,679
If this deployment holds and Johnson can find the confidence

973
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,480
that made him a point per game playmaking demon at Michigan,

974
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,519
then Rob could be very happy with him as a

975
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,360
centerpiece of this deal coming back. And yes, the other

976
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,840
huge piece Victor is Cole Hudson, and I think he

977
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,559
might be better than his brother Lane. Am I mostly

978
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,840
saying that because the BFFs also acquired him recently. Of

979
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,400
course I am, But also I just prefer Hudson's all

980
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,039
around Oh, I should say Cole Hudson's all around game.

981
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,519
And I think in our tidy format, which does prioritize

982
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:59,360
play driving, the Cole will get an extra bump due

983
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,320
to his strong all around game. If Rob can survive

984
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,079
relegation this season, which is a bit questionable, Cole should

985
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,440
start returning value next year as he is likely to

986
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,760
make the jump to the Capitals sooner rather than later.

987
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:12,679
So the way I see it is Rob was able

988
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,079
to turn Kucharrov and a bunch of nothing on his

989
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,440
roster into those guys plus some good depth contributors in Grieg,

990
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,519
Bowman and Finny, who will certainly need to perform well

991
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,360
to save Rob from relegation for him to see the

992
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,559
fruits of this deal. Jesse, anything stand out to you

993
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:28,599
about this deal that we haven't to cover it already.

994
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,559
Speaker 5: Look, if you ever put a trade up for a

995
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,559
vote in one side of it has Nikita Kucharov, you

996
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,599
know how it's going to come out. But I will

997
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,519
defend Super mcgabvin in this sense. Kucharov is not getting younger,

998
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,920
and at some point the responsible manager, if they're not

999
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,159
going to win with him right now, is going to

1000
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,880
have to try to get the best return he can

1001
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960
for him while he still has value. He's going to

1002
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,119
have less value every year he is closer to the

1003
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,599
end of his career than he is the beginning. So

1004
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,280
then it comes down to did he get enough? I

1005
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,679
think that yeah. To me, I would break it down

1006
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:12,519
a little bit differently. I would say, Hames Misa simaschev Rossovich,

1007
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,920
at some point this is all here because there are

1008
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
six pieces on each side so you're just moving stuff

1009
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:19,920
around between your two rosters, maybe not even things that

1010
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,519
the other guy even wanted. But so some of those

1011
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,920
guys coming back I think are just these are the

1012
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,440
guys who are going to leave my roster anyway. I

1013
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,440
think I don't know that Marchmont is got a great

1014
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,920
outlook ahead of him. Ken Johnson went from completely buried.

1015
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,559
You referenced that, but he was completely buried under the

1016
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,599
previous administration, and he's got so much talent. I was

1017
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,039
trying to buy on him a few weeks ago. I

1018
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,880
couldn't pry him loose, but I'm very interested in him.

1019
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:50,639
So it's really to me. Hudson, grig and Johnson for

1020
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Kucherov is the main part of this, and I think

1021
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,320
that there's a logic to getting those types of upside pieces. No,

1022
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400
they're not equal to nik Kucharov, but by the time

1023
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,519
that Suder McGavin is back in potential contention, those guys

1024
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:09,440
will be playing for him, and Kucharov might not be

1025
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,880
playing for Mack in the saddle. Could he get something better?

1026
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,440
Maybe maybe somebody else should have stepped up and made

1027
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,039
an offer. I don't know how well he advertised, but

1028
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,199
we always say this, and a lot of times half

1029
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:21,639
the managers in the league just don't want to do

1030
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,159
anything about it, and then they're all mad when it happens.

1031
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,639
I'm sure that suitor would have taken a different deal

1032
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,840
had it been available. But sometimes the win Now teams

1033
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,079
that really want to make these deals don't have a

1034
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:33,960
ton of young pieces. That's how they got to be

1035
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,559
win now teams by trading them away already. I don't know.

1036
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,639
I think the Kutcharov side wins. But Suder McGavin was

1037
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,280
justified in what he did.

1038
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jesse, and as someone who's been in the league

1039
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,079
with Rob and hearkening back to his comment about spamming

1040
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,400
the league with trades, I can speak to how he

1041
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:55,719
is very good at doing that. I know that Rob

1042
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,360
probably put it up there that Kucharov was available and

1043
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,599
for me for him to get back. Ken Johnson and

1044
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:03,079
Cole Hudson, do you want maybe one other elite piece

1045
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,119
to come back? Of course you do. But I think

1046
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,239
that's one of the things with our polling system, which

1047
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,960
I think is a little bit flawed, is it is

1048
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:12,639
it's binary by nature, that's how poles work. You're not

1049
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:14,679
going to be able to show the full context of

1050
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,199
why a deal like this happens and why Rob is

1051
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,320
moving on from Kutrov without the full context. And so

1052
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,320
I hope Rob you can let me know. I know

1053
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,360
you're listening. I hope we did you justice here. I

1054
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,599
hope we didn't do you dirty. I think Jeff is

1055
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,000
happy with this deal. I think you're happy with this

1056
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,800
deal with what you were able to get out of it.

1057
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,960
So let me know in the discord if we mischaracterize

1058
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,280
some of your decisions here. But I think it makes

1059
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,800
sense to us at the very least. The last trade

1060
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,920
we're going to talk about today also has some moving parts,

1061
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,760
albeit not as many as the last one. That'd be

1062
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
pretty hard. We do have from the tiny Gretzky Division,

1063
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:53,159
a trade between Desert Scorpions and Strange Brew. The Desert

1064
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:59,039
Scorpions acquired center Bohorvat and goaltender Eric Kamri from Strange

1065
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,920
Brew for left wing Mason Marchmont, who we've just talked about,

1066
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,719
of course, so we won't spend too much more time

1067
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,360
on him. Prospect winger Rutger McGroarty, defense prospect for the

1068
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,199
Nashville Predators Ryan Ufko, and goaltending prospect for the Detroit

1069
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,199
Red Wings Sebastian Kosa, and this trade was judged as

1070
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,000
a win for strange brew who is the team that

1071
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:23,079
acquires Kosa, Ufko, McGroarty and Marchmen. And so I heard

1072
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,559
from Desert Scorpions actually this morning, who has been rather busy,

1073
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,559
finally got their answer to me this morning. To that,

1074
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,320
I say thank you and I appreciate it. The idea

1075
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,800
behind the move was originally around getting Camray once Hellabuck

1076
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,760
went down with injury that happened a couple weeks ago.

1077
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,719
You might recall adding Horvat to the deal was aimed

1078
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,039
at trying to bump up a center position, especially given

1079
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,039
the start to the year he had that he knows

1080
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,079
Ufko has a lot of potential value for a lot

1081
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:49,760
of fantasy gms, specifically in the tidy Cosa definitely has value,

1082
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,880
though he will confess some level of skepticism personally about

1083
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,400
whether he's going to get the opportunity. While he has

1084
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,480
not been looking to move Kosa eagerly that he was

1085
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,679
someone he was willing to move to upgrade at that

1086
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:03,320
center position. He's long had some similar feelings about Rutger

1087
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,760
and his long term potential. Jesse from strange Brew had

1088
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,280
this in response that he's still learning fantasy hockey and

1089
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,320
is new to the sport, but dynasty sports in general,

1090
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,599
there's some things that are evergreen. That his team not

1091
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,800
being in a contender spot and being in the rebuilding area,

1092
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,199
that you're going to move younger prospects with upside for

1093
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:26,039
veterans like a bow Horvat or a Comri, and so

1094
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:29,239
his investment in those prospects is that they will become

1095
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,320
great assets to his team that will help him climb

1096
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,639
the ranks and become a contender. That he's willing to

1097
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,159
take a chance on upside prospects due to his rank

1098
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,639
in the league. I'm not much of a conservative player,

1099
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,159
says Jesse from strange Brew. I like to take big

1100
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,599
swings when the opportunity presents itself and hope for the best.

1101
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,280
Strange Brew said he's new to fantasy hockey, but he's

1102
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,800
got the basic concepts down. Pat I would say, did

1103
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,400
he get the right young players back victor for bo

1104
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,159
Horvat forty.

1105
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,559
Speaker 4: Horvat is the forty fourth best skater in points per

1106
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,440
game for Tidy. I think that's important for the whole

1107
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,320
context of this comray has had some relevance this season,

1108
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,559
but I'm not sure how much that continues. It is

1109
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,079
true that it is really hard to find any goalie

1110
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,559
that can give you any amount of starts, and so

1111
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,400
my strategy has always been to have a bunch of

1112
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,840
extra ones laying around. It's not really a streaming league anyways,

1113
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,400
so it's not like having a bunch of extra skaters

1114
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,880
is often all that helpful. So I like to have

1115
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,800
five or six or more goalies, even if they don't

1116
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,280
play that much. That's a personal strategy of mine. Not

1117
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,800
everyone does that, so I could see that being helpful

1118
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,559
for me. The question is did he did Jesse get

1119
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,679
enough to get value for forty fourth best skater and tidy?

1120
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
And I think my assessment is a definite.

1121
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: Maybe.

1122
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 4: We talked about Marchmen already and I think he's probably

1123
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:42,800
below replacement.

1124
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,119
Speaker 1: He ebs and flows, He's just a guy McGroarty.

1125
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,519
Speaker 4: He's still developing. I think he could end up being

1126
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,039
just above replacement too well above. He's made some good strides,

1127
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,199
but I worry that the team around him will be

1128
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,440
absolutely cooked to win. Crosby, Rust and Malkin et cetera

1129
00:52:57,679 --> 00:52:59,920
are no longer there no longer producing at the level

1130
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:04,719
should Ryan Ufko is one of these prospects that makes

1131
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,440
me really physically angry because I do not understand why

1132
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,960
he's not getting more of an opportunity. And I look

1133
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,880
at him, I look at tape in him, I look

1134
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,159
at lots of different numbers, and I continue to be baffled.

1135
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:20,039
Speaker 1: The only thing I can.

1136
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: Really see is that he's obviously five 't ten, and

1137
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,880
that's probably the biggest knock against him is that he's

1138
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,719
a bit on the smaller side, doesn't really play small.

1139
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,519
He plays with decent physicality. This is the second season

1140
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,960
in the HL. Last season he was a bit under

1141
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,519
a point per game. This season thirty seven points in

1142
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,000
thirty five games for the Milwaukee Admirals. He had one

1143
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,800
call up last season, yet to have one this season,

1144
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,440
and he's been really good. If you look at his

1145
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:50,239
tracking data, he drives play really well. He's winning puck battles,

1146
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,760
he's driving play, he's leveraging all his skills. He should

1147
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,199
get more of an opportunity. So sometimes I worry when

1148
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
I see this, am I just hallucinating a good player?

1149
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,119
Because clearly the team, especially when they were so bad,

1150
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,199
you think that they would give people a chance. Now

1151
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:07,000
that they've turned things around, I could see why they

1152
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,840
haven't called him up because they've been playing a lot better.

1153
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,280
They're pushing for a playoff spot. Maybe now is not

1154
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,840
the time to bring in a player like that, but

1155
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,360
maybe if they missed the playoffs, we'll see some so

1156
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,719
later on in the season.

1157
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: But it really it started to worry me.

1158
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,679
Speaker 4: It gets to the point where when a player, in

1159
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,559
my opinion, if they've been in the AHL for their

1160
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,760
third season and they're not really getting much a call up,

1161
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,840
that is a big red flag. He's only on his

1162
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,119
second so it's not there yet. But I really like

1163
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,679
Ufkoh and I'm baffled is why Nashville doesn't like him more?

1164
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,239
Or so it would seem Kosa has really come around

1165
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,480
and he has been awesome.

1166
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: Actually the last two seasons in the AHL.

1167
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,599
Speaker 4: People were freaking out when he had that ECHL year.

1168
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,920
It just goes to show drafted back in twenty twenty

1169
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,239
one and it's five years later and he's finally turning

1170
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:54,760
things around.

1171
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: But it takes goalies a long time.

1172
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 4: And you really have to be patient and you have

1173
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,679
to do what's right for their develop and sending him

1174
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,400
to the HL that year when he was struggling was

1175
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,239
absolutely the right call, and it didn't mean that he

1176
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,719
wasn't going to be a great goalie. And now we're

1177
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,079
seeing that, and we're seeing the resurgence of John Gibson

1178
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:14,159
in Detroit. Talbot is slowing down and it should be

1179
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,639
Cosa taking his place and being the one beat a Gibson.

1180
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,280
Although they do have Trey Augustine as well, and so

1181
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,519
that could eat into that a little bit, but Cosa

1182
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:27,000
still has starter upside and I think between those two

1183
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,760
they should be splitting the net for years to come

1184
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,119
after that. You look at the comms for COOSA and

1185
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,000
Hockey Prospecting and they're all incredible. Dominik Koshik is one

1186
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,559
of the big ones that is in that model, so

1187
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,760
he certainly looks like he's going to be the man

1188
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,440
moving forward. So if mcgroardy and Cosa hit, I think

1189
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,880
Jesse did really well. Otherwise I think there might be

1190
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,960
some regret trading. Bo What do you think, right?

1191
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,679
Speaker 3: I completely agree, Victor. I think Jesse got himself some

1192
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,800
better than average lottery tickets here for sure. I agree

1193
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:57,840
none of us would really be that surprised to see

1194
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,199
Cosa take over the tandem role with John Gibson as

1195
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,000
soon as next season. I'm not sure that Trey Augustine

1196
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,079
is ready yet. He's a great goaltending prospect, there's no

1197
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,039
denying that, but I just think Cosa has proved it

1198
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:11,679
at the pro level in a way that Augustine hasn't,

1199
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,320
so I think he'll get the first shot there. Cosa

1200
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
has certainly turned in a stellar AHL performance this season

1201
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,559
at the time of the recording seventeen wins, two losses

1202
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,840
and two overtime losses with a nine to thirty two

1203
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,599
save percentage and a sub two goals against average, And

1204
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,679
so yes, if he does take that role in the

1205
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,280
NHL next season, he's only a John Gibson injury away

1206
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,480
from being the undisputed starling starting goaltender of a Red

1207
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,920
Wings team which is only improving with each year of

1208
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,519
experience the young core gains. And I can't help but

1209
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,960
think about to the Anaheim Ducks, where John Gibson played

1210
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,039
for many years. Lukash Dostaal was his backup and got

1211
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,400
significant play due to John Gibson injuries, and now Lukash

1212
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,559
Dostal is an undisputed starting goaltender in the NHL, and

1213
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,199
so if everything breaks right for COSA, and if certain

1214
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,760
things on John Gibson break, I think we could see

1215
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,280
him alone being enough for Bow and Conbrey, with how

1216
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,800
much value the goalies have in the tidy. McGroarty is

1217
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,800
an interesting one for me, Victor, and I'm going to

1218
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,960
ask you for a little more context on him, if

1219
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,840
you don't mind. I don't want to entirely put you

1220
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,079
on the spot, so I'll just ramble a little bit here.

1221
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,079
I do have a share of McGroarty, of him in

1222
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,039
the Keeping Carlson Ultimate Patron Dynasty League team which I

1223
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,920
co manage with Brian and elon the Brelan team which

1224
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,239
is still awaiting a rename to include my participation, but

1225
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,079
we'll get onto that later. This is a guy, Victor,

1226
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,239
who you've been typically pretty high on in the past.

1227
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,679
Was a thirty four percent chance of being a seven

1228
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:36,440
in your Puck stud ranking. Would you mind giving us

1229
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,159
a little more context on McGroarty, who has struggled to

1230
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:41,960
translate his skills to the NHL from the AHL, where

1231
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
he is currently over a point per game after a

1232
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,920
strong debut last season.

1233
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, McGroarty is an interesting guy, He's always and I

1234
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:51,639
think will always be this kind of heart and soul

1235
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,880
guy who is greater than the sum of his individual skills.

1236
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,360
We saw that when he kept in USA two World Juniors,

1237
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,000
and he's been an emotional leaner throughout his time, and

1238
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,599
I think he's definitely the kind of guy who you

1239
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,440
could see being on the top line, being a top

1240
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,119
powerplay option, if for more than anything else, his leadership

1241
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:13,360
and his tenacity and all of that. In the time

1242
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,360
that he's played in the NHL the last two seasons,

1243
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,159
twenty four games, still on the twenty point pace, It's

1244
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,199
not a lot, but what you do see is pretty

1245
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,079
strong Perferles, in particular his hits over hit per game.

1246
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,559
His blocks are a little bit lower than that, closer

1247
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:29,840
to half, and the shots haven't really been as exciting,

1248
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,079
but I think ultimately, as his player card shows, he

1249
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,920
will get there. He does have strong Perferle coverage in

1250
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,880
his back pocket and his other leagues, and as you said,

1251
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,760
a nice production in the HL so far, and I'm

1252
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,880
hoping that can translate a little bit more. He forced

1253
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,840
that move at a Winnipeg and I think he maybe

1254
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,800
puts some big target patients on his back, and I

1255
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,039
think we need to be a little bit patient with him.

1256
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,760
His NHL impacts have not been great so far, but

1257
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,480
also we've seen Pittsburgh. This is a confusing team. They

1258
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,360
have been winning a little bit more than expected, but

1259
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,360
a lot of their inderline metrics are still pretty awful,

1260
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,599
and so he's struggling with a lot of that to

1261
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:13,079
deal with. I was pulling up his Hockey Viz impact

1262
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:14,960
score and just which kind of takes into account all

1263
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,800
the different things that he's been doing offensively, defensively, up a.

1264
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: Guy, down a guy, even strength powerplay all night, and.

1265
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,639
Speaker 4: So far his impacts are mostly slightly negative, which is

1266
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,000
not bad for a young player. Obviously he wanted to

1267
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,719
be positive, but I think the fact that it's not

1268
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:32,480
horrendous is probably a good feather in his cap. I

1269
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,760
think the I think he's going to be a strong player.

1270
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,239
What I worry about with McGroarty is that they're gonna

1271
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,920
look to him to be the next Sidney Crosby when

1272
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,519
Crosby phades out and he is not. No one is right,

1273
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,280
but it's gonna be a little unfair to the man

1274
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,639
if he's going to be the one trying to carry

1275
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,159
the Mantle, and I just think they need a lot

1276
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,400
of support around him. It's great that they that Ben

1277
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,639
Kendall has arrived ahead of schedule. Brunnick and they have

1278
00:59:55,679 --> 01:00:00,280
some decent pieces that hopefully will fill out that team.

1279
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Because I think McGroarty can be an excellent complimentary piece,

1280
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,599
I just don't know that he can be the main

1281
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:07,880
primary piece, and that's what worries me. If he's going

1282
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,639
to be the primary piece of that team, I think

1283
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:12,360
that it's going to be a bit of a struggle.

1284
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,360
And I think a good comparison might be someone like

1285
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,960
Mason McTavish. Mason McTavish is a really good complimentary piece,

1286
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,519
and when you have some of the elite talent that

1287
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,280
Anaheim has around him, he can be more than he

1288
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,920
is on his own. But if you ask him to

1289
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,800
be the top player on the team, I don't think

1290
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,239
you're not gonna have the highest upside. So I think

1291
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:31,159
that there's maybe some rhymes there.

1292
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,199
Speaker 3: I'm feeling a little bit more at ease as a

1293
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,760
McGroarty owner here, although I do agree with you that

1294
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,920
Pittsburgh they do need that Sidney Crosby tier player, and

1295
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:45,599
those of us who are draft watchers will know that

1296
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:48,920
Kyle Dubis, while he is a very skilled and talented drafter,

1297
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:51,679
he does struggle at making the big swing. He does

1298
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,039
end up with a lot of those kind of support players,

1299
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,599
guys who will play a long time in the league,

1300
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,480
but maybe they won't have the elite impact that you're

1301
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,559
looking for. Hopefully they can figure that out from the

1302
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,559
drafting standpoint, and hopefully the expectations on McGroarty don't get

1303
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,000
too out of hand. Jesse, just to close it off here,

1304
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:12,920
any thoughts from you on Bohorvat, Eric Comrie, Marchmant McGroarty,

1305
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,239
Ufko or Cosa.

1306
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,239
Speaker 5: Jesse's my guy. Strange Brui is my guy. He's in

1307
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,599
the diesel with us. I've known him for ten years.

1308
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,559
I think that probably Horvat was Horvat's probably slightly the

1309
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,599
better end of this trade. I agree there's a couple

1310
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,639
of upside things. Cosa particularly like you guys have been saying,

1311
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,000
did you I saw graphic last week that there was

1312
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,440
some speculation Cosa would be the starting goalie for the

1313
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,920
Italian team in the Olympics because he's got some Italian heritage.

1314
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:45,760
But Italy decided to bring all the folks who are

1315
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,880
currently in Italy rather than people with Italian heritage, and

1316
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,400
Ufko is He's not just the guy's name, it's the

1317
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,159
sound you make when you see him on your roster

1318
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:55,840
and you're trying to figure out what to do with him.

1319
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,480
I have the same problem as Victor. So there's some

1320
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,519
swings here. There's some swings, and you never know. I'm again,

1321
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:04,280
I'm not that big on Mason Marchman. In a long

1322
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,400
term future, maybe he has a hot streak and you

1323
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,599
can sell him again and get something else. It's a

1324
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,360
rebuilding trade, maybe a bit further than I would have

1325
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,119
wanted to go, but there's good pieces coming back here.

1326
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,679
And in fact, it looks like strange Brew won the vote,

1327
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,079
so I'm not just it seems like he won the vote,

1328
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:25,719
So I don't know. People must not respect Bohrbat at.

1329
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:27,239
Speaker 3: The end of the day. We've been saying it the

1330
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,639
entire episode, when when depending on your perspective, depending on

1331
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,559
where you are in the standings, you can find something

1332
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:36,360
to like about both sides of these trades. And that's

1333
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,760
all we have to discuss today. On a marathon version

1334
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,280
of Tidy Takes, I will give the caveat that This

1335
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:43,599
likely won't end up being the longest though, at just

1336
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,920
over an hour, as I'm counting at least eight interesting

1337
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,599
trade deadline deals for the Tiered Dynasty that we will

1338
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,039
need to discuss on the next edition of Tidy Takes,

1339
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,519
and that's not accounting for everything that will happen between

1340
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,719
Wednesday afternoon when we're recording this and Sunday afternoon when

1341
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,000
this is released. So thanks as always to the time

1342
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,599
managers who give us such great content to discuss on

1343
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:06,039
this segment. I will also just forecast here we're gonna

1344
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:09,360
be talking a lot about our teams, in particular on

1345
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,519
this trade deadline version of the Tidy Takes. Jesse Severe

1346
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,000
has been selling off some elements of his team, Victor

1347
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,440
and I have both been retooling our teams, and so

1348
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:21,400
I think between the three of us, we'll have five

1349
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,840
trades to discuss from our teams, and so you'll get

1350
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,280
our perspective on why we felt we needed to make

1351
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,199
these trades. Of course, as always with the other side

1352
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,000
taken into account as well, so you'll hear from all

1353
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,679
of those people as well. Donna will feature prominently as

1354
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,000
you will probably expect, and we're gonna have a great

1355
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,440
time on the next episode of Tidy Takes, so make

1356
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,159
sure you tune in. We love this trade deadline episode

1357
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,000
because this is where the rubber hits the road for

1358
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,880
a lot of these teams that are looking to avoid relegation.

1359
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,599
They're trying to win the Lord Stanley Championship, They're trying

1360
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,159
to get promoted. This is the real meat of the

1361
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:56,239
season and we're so happy to have you on this

1362
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,119
journey with us. Thanks again, Victor and Jesse for inviting

1363
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:01,559
me on the journey, having me as part of your

1364
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,000
fantasy hockey life.

1365
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also do my solo show, Dynasty Sports Life. I talk

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