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Speaker 1: So obviously we're gonna delve into the Kaloni shutake rumors

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and some of them have been validated. There are conversations

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being had between Pench State and Kalani Shatak. We'll tell

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you in this nitty gritty segment the good, the bad,

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the beautiful and the ugly of the situation. Okay, we're

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gonna look at the contrasting views here, some of the

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reports that I've been receiving from my sources, and much

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Speaker 3: So without further ado, why don't we fire up the ESPN.

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Speaker 1: The fans starting lineup, and I can introduce you to

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of cast joining us for this Monday this Zembra first

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edition of Cougar Sports. By my side putting out a

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lot of content and commentary on social media here of

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every single day, more often than out here on the show.

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Let's welcome in Brett always bringing the hammer Hammer time show.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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Speaker 5: How many times have we said that this year? Well,

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this isn't the show we were playing on doing today,

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but here we are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what that is? The chaos, the adrenaline.

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Speaker 5: That is why we learn work in live sports, because

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you plan for hours on what you're gonna do, and

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the second you go live, you toss all that prep

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in the garbage.

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Speaker 3: And here we are with a story that I thought

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this whole weekend.

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Speaker 5: I was like, this is such a made up rumor.

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There's no way this is true. And then I asked

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a couple of people and they were like, yeah, this

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winkwink dot dot. I can't really say a whole lot.

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none of the big guys, the famils, none of those

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guys are saying anything. Yeah, but that you have lots

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of people who are like necessarily sources, but they're semi

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connected on Twitter, some people saying it's already a done deal,

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some people saying that it's nowhere closed.

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Speaker 3: So this is gonna be a fun story and a

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fun wave to ride.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, let's also welcome in Ronald the three man

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weaver behind the Glass of beIN Shaltlike, Ronnie, how.

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Speaker 3: You living living good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: It's crazy, Ben, But look, hey, I just want to

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tell everybody b Yu has benefited. As we always joke

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about the portal to give it, the portal will give

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it in a take it. This is a coaching thing,

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I know, but even a regard look by you got

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Kevin Young on the basketball side, he got Jay Hills.

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Sometimes things happen. That's how you know things are brewing

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well in Provo. If somebody wants your head coach. This

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is not the first go around though.

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Speaker 3: With Kilani Ben.

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Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, I mean Klane has field job opportunities elsewhere,

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whether it was Washington or Oregon. USC he was in

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the mix for a number job UCLA. He was named

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as a as a candidate there, and look he's been

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reached out to. I even think like UCF once, you know,

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just a few years ago reached out to him. He

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has family in laws out there in Florida. And look,

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he's done great things since twenty twenty. When you look

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at Kilanie's resume since twenty twenty, you win eleven and one,

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ten and three, and then he had a bit of

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a drop off eight and five and then in that

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final year of independence five and s in the first

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year of the Big twelve. But remember that that final

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finish of that first season, they almost knocked off two

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top twenty five teams in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Those

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came down to final possessions essentially final plays, and then

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he's been overachieving since then. For his talent recruited, he's

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been developing at a high level. Eleven and two last season,

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now eleven and one. That record fifty six and nineteen

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with a winning percentage of about seventy one percent lists

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him in the top ten amongst all FBS coaches in

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that stretch. So he's a top ten college football coach. Okay,

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whether you want to give him all the credit or not,

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here's the visionary of this program and here's the head coach.

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A coach who wins at that level will attract offers.

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In my opinion, him fielding offers and having conversations round

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offers is not a sign of disloyalty as some people

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Speaker 3: It is just the nats of the business.

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Speaker 1: It's what professionals need to do, especially when you know,

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I want to believe that BYU is always loyal, strong

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and true to all of their coaches. You know they

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are fair and honest and all of their dealings with

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their players and coaches and personnel. But there we are

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dealing with a fallible entity, and there's a certain amount

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of professionalism that that is required from all parties involved.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes there are clandestine.

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Speaker 1: Workings Game of Thrones asque type of dealings, okay, that

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happen behind closed doors, and those in power will effectuate

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their vision of what they want.

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Speaker 3: And this is the nature of the business, okay.

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Speaker 1: And Killane wants probably a fair market rate for his resume,

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wants fair market rate for his coaches, and fair market

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rate for his players that are representing Brigham you on university,

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and he's going to be an advocate for all three

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of those things.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna break this down top to bottom, inside

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and out, left and right, all the things here on

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your uti us being ready to We had plans to

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get into like sound postgame commentary, Like I don't know

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how much sound we were gonna get into today with.

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Speaker 3: Like the postgame stuff. We may have to just push

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Speaker 1: I know we were switching it up here, so I

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kind of want to stay live with all of this

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content that's brewing.

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Speaker 3: We could have some breaking news at any moment. Okay,

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we just could. Kalani Sataki addressed the media earlier today.

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By the way, I can't even find that video.

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Speaker 5: I can find Texas Tech and Joey Maguire, I can

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find Brett Yormark. There's a bunch of people tweeting about it,

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and look, sometimes it does take them a little while.

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So I'm not saying it's a conspiracy that they're not

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putting out because of this, but there are only tweets

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coming out about this press conference.

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Speaker 3: It has not been sent to us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we had planned to go Klini Shataki

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post game UCF. We'll get some sound bites from the

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press conference. We'll get that dialt up here momentary I

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sent out over to Ronnie one of the comments here,

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and I'll get through some of the quotes we were

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gonna get in at Evan Johnson comments, Beart Bachmeer comments.

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We may have to push that to the podcast. I

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hate to say it, but in LJ. Martin and Kelly

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postgame Jack Jack Kelly. We'll get some great interviews on

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the back end here, Brady Papinga, John Beck. I may

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want to reach out to Matt Brown of extra points.

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He's had conversation on the Penn State side. I also

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had conversation with Brett McMurphy yesterday and today, so I

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have some insights I think about the validity, validity and

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the conversations that have had been had between BYU and

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or rather Colonie Shatake and Penn State.

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Speaker 3: So these are real, there's real.

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Speaker 1: Traction to this, there's real movement in this direction. I

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have two different stories that are being told to me

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from different sources at this time, and I do find

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it surprising, Okay, with these two separate stories that are

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being given to me at this time, Brett that no

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national media college football insider has declared or proclaimed anything official. Nothing,

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Nothing has dropped Pete Naikos, Brett McMurphy, Pete Thamile. No

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one has dropped anything up to this point in the show. Well,

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even when Florida was just talking to.

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Speaker 5: John summerw Peith Damill at least said, hey, they're in

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talks right now. Yes, I find it very odd that

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nobody has even been willing to say Penn State is

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even interested in Kalanie Sataki. We haven't gotten anything, and

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in the college football world. Yeah, look, there's a lot

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that we have to break down and discuss, and I'll

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna keep it open endo here like we're

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Speaker 1: Some good interviews, keep it dialed in, John Beg Brady, Pipingle, Guys,

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I'm gonna be reaching out to Matt Brown here shortly.

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We're gonna try to inter twine him into the conversation

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as well as he has some great sources there at

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Penn State. All that and more here on your Utah

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a good sign, you know that things are going well

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for us. But I will say that this isn't about me.

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to be focused on what we're trying to accomplish. There

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are marks of finishers, and that's what we're trying to

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do with trying to finish the season the right way

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and get after it. And it's required of us to

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be at our best to play against Texas Tech. So

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as we go through this week and go through the prep,

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I also want them to live through all all the

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moments and have the great experience and not not waste

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the moment thinking about anything else. So I've asked our

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team to be focused on what we can control, and

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that's the right now. We control what we're doing as

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a team and not worry about all the distraction. This

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is a great distraction to have, let's be honest, but

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you know, right now, we need to be focused on

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making sure that we're giving our best shot in this

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game against Texas Tech. I have to address it because.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 1: I have to address it because the world is small

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now and people can see stuff on social media and everything.

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This is a good sign that things are going well. Okay,

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that was kind of the thesis of this. You guys

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do a good job. Give some compliments to the local

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media covering all the ins and outs of this. He

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did not address specifically the Football Scoop Report that he

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is in talks with Penn State to become.

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Speaker 3: The Nitney Lions next head coach. He said.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, essentially at the beginning of his

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his interview that he's not going to address that, but

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that's kind of the state of where we're at. He says,

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I'm all about the Big twelve Championship and keeping our

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team focus on that. We're going to avoid all the distractions.

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Your thoughts here, Brett always bringing the hammer. Mike Jay Astey,

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who is a guy we have had on the show before.

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Speaker 3: He tweeted out just a couple hours ago.

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Speaker 5: I heard he was at Penn State this morning, and

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I went ahead and I looked at it, and it's

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about a four hour flight, four to five hours.

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Speaker 3: So it's not impossible that he it would be.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he would have had to have been there yesterday,

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maybe spent the day there, and flown home this morning.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not totally impossible.

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Speaker 5: But I did that and that was an interesting tidbit

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that I found as I've been doing some uh doing.

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Speaker 3: Some journalism here capital some Big Jay journalism. I do

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think he made an interesting point.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it was his to make but

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when he did say, like, this is a good distraction,

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because I do think, like, look, if you're on a

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date with somebody man or woman and someone else is

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staring at your date, that means you're out with someone

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who's pretty great. So, yes, does this suck that people

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want to poach Klani? Yeah, but you know what that

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means you have somebody worth being poached, which is an

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incredible sign of respect.

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Speaker 3: And hey, I'm jealous of what you've got.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it sucks that we have to sit here

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on a Monday and talk about the potential of maybe

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Kilanie Sataki wanting to go to Penn State or wanting

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to at least be open to whatever Penn State has

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to offer. But all that being said, it means that

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Kalani Sataki, I mean, there's no bigger validation, right, There's

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no greater validation that you have a great head coach

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then Penn State, which is probably the biggest brand left

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with an open coaching position and frankly one of the

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biggest brands in college football, they want your coach. So

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when Khalani says, hey, this is a good distraction, YadA

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YadA YadA, like that is a fair assessment.

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Speaker 3: To me, it is fair.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Lane Kiffin essentially said and

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leading up to his decession that he went to the issue.

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Speaker 3: So I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: If I'm gonna be negative Nancy right now and give

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you one one standpoint, like I said, I'm bifrecating the

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positive outlook and the negative outlook for those that are

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wanting to retain Kilani, I'm gonna give you both of them.

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I've heard two stories from like multiple credible sources, and

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I mean like and like I said, there's probably a

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messaging that's going on internally, and there's a reason why

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I'm getting two different types of messages. I'll delve into that.

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So what I want to baseline found foundationally say about this,

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and I tweeted this out about three hours ago, this

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is a disheartening reality of the state of college football

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in many ways. I love the college football nil transfer

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portal parody that we're experiencing across this world. Right there

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are multiple three loss teams in the top twenty five,

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because there's more parody now than ever, Like you have.

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Speaker 3: Multiple two loss teams.

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Speaker 1: They probably shouldn't be in front of by you, by

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the way, in the Collegeetball Playoff Committee rankings.

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Speaker 3: But two loss teams like three of them? That are

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all three or four of them?

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Speaker 1: Right, I can't even remember how many there are. Now

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there's more parody now than ever. Anybody can beat anybody

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on any given day, it seems.

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Speaker 3: And I love that.

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Speaker 1: The problem is look BYU is prepping for one of

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their biggest games in football history, with a legitimate shot

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at the College football Playoff. The focus should be entirely

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on the football field, the task at hand. The college

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football calendar is fundamentally broken. Conference championship weekend is year

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and early signing day looms this week December third to

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the fifth.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about this timing and alignment makes any sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Shoot, even Rick Bettino, for like.

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Speaker 1: A phenomenal college basketball coach, a legendary coach, chimed in

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and he's like, I'm not trying to hate on football,

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but like, imagine me as a one seed, okay, going

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into March madness, and I'm like, nah, peace, I'm taking

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another job elsewhere so I can go compete for a

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national championship. That's what just happened with Lane Kiffin, and

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that's what could happen with Colonie Satake here. Instead, we're

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forced to confront this like this validated now validated reports

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that Penn State is making a serious push to coach,

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to poach Klonie Satake.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is what I'll say about Coloni. He's a professional.

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Speaker 1: He's obligated to listen, to evaluate opportunities to negotiate his

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future at ba just like any head coach in his

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position would. And if you say otherwise, you're being disingenuous.

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All of us would do the same thing with the

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calendar that we have in front of us, okay, requesting

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fair market value for himself, his coaches and nil for

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his players. There's zero doubt in my mind that Kilani's

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vision from the start has always been to become the

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Polynesian Levelle Edwards and live out his days of tenure

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at BYU. He's said that he's been declared him. The

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timing is brutal. The stakes couldn't be higher right now.

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And yeah, even though Kilani says it's a good distractions,

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it means BA us in a good spot.

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Speaker 3: I hate it, I abhor it, I disdain it.

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Speaker 1: I feel it's so unfortunate for not only I feel

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so bad for the players currently in the situations because

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they do not know what the future holds for their team.

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Speaker 3: They don't know what's happening internally.

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Speaker 1: If if Kilani does go to Penn State, are they

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are their coaches going to Penn State? Are they gonna

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go with those position coaches? Who's gonna be retained? Who's

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going to be the head coach? Do I want to

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stick out at BYU? All of these things start to occur.

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Agents get involved, parents get involved, and they're like, holy cow,

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what are we going to do? We have a big

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twelve championship game on the line, We could go to

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a college football playoff. We could win a national championship

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if the stars align all those things right, Like, the

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potential is there?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Is it a reality? Is it pragmatic to say such?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: But you're in the dance.

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Speaker 1: If you win this weekend and you're having to deal

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with the mess, you're having to deal with the muck,

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You're having to deal with the chaos, and that uncertainty

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breeds more chaos, It breeds a certain lack of execution,

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It breeds a certain amount of distrust within what is

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happening within the program. Operationally the logisticate and a day in,

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day out environment. Everybody's talking, everyone's interacting, everyone's saying what

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do you hear?

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Speaker 3: And what have you seen? What have you heard? And

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we're sitting here like this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well there's room and there's some validated reports, and

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I've been able to confirm those that Penn State is

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going aggressively at Kialate, and Kilani has shown interest and

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have fielded those calls and has fielded those offerings okay,

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and has then gone back to BYU and said, look,

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this is where we're at.

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Speaker 3: What can we do to create a fair market value?

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Speaker 1: My baseline if you ever hear me discuss anything like

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this over the years, I believe institutionally, morally, ethically, BYU

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should be honest and fair in their dealings with their

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fellow men.

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Speaker 3: Is that too much to ask?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean as it pertains to temporal that's

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the question. Temporal?

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Speaker 3: You know, payroll? Right?

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Speaker 1: Is it the average salary head coaching salary at the

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FPS level, the P four level, if we're just talking

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about Killani specifically, is it the average you know, salary

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minus a certain percentage? Because at BYU it just it

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just means more, right, is it a you know, twenty

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percent deduction, thirty percent deduction, forty percent deduction from fair

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market rate because you're at BYU and BYU has traditionally

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underpaid per the market rate.

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Speaker 3: So I'm okay with that. Okay, But this is where

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it gets sticky. This is where it gets really icky.

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Speaker 1: What did Brian Santiago, Shane Reese and Keith Forking and

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Elder Gilbert and the board of trustees approve when Kevin

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Young became the head coach of Brigham Young University? They

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per reports Okay, WoDES dropped the bomb, and then nor.

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Speaker 3: Lander, Okay, it was four point three million annually.

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Speaker 1: It was what a seven year deal worth thirty million

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dollars and after one season that was renewed and probably elevated.

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So let's say this report is true and accurate, which

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I imagine it is. I imagine it's an accurate report

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coming from Capital J journalists. If Kevin Young is making

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approximately five million dollars, let's say, with incentives in bonus structure,

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et cetera, what should your head football coach be making?

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If I'm taking his own words, Brian Santiago stated, football

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runs the ship. What should Kalanie be making? What should

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his salary be in a fair market value? Honest in

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your dealings with your fellow man, and you're set a

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precedent for what basketball is making.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't football run the ship?

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at that and I'm like, okay, well

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is that six point five million?

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Speaker 3: Is that seven million? Is that eight million? Is it

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the same rate that Kevin is making? What's the priority here?

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Speaker 1: And is there money to be distributed or are we

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going to plead poverty and say, well, the board of

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trustees is not going to approve that. If you're Killani

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and you're evaluating that and you're being offered a eight

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figure sum, Okay, James frank was making eight point five

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so you have to imagine it's going to be close

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to that or more. Penn State has now swung and

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missed on a number of opportunities. Matt Rule, Kirk Signetti,

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go down the list. John Somerral could have been in

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the mix. He goes to Florida, right, and Kilani was.

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Speaker 5: Much bigger at the time than James Franklin was when

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he was coming out of Vanderbilt one hundred percent, you know,

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I mean, he's a proven commodity in the college football world.

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Speaker 3: So I'm taking all.

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Speaker 1: That into account and I'm saying, okay, what should be

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why you do in this situation? Many some people will

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say Killani's you know, the fact that Kilani is interviewing

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Penn State, that is that is disloyal, that is unprofessional

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that I'm like, guys, this is the college football calendar.

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Speaker 3: Like he's he's required to in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: But anyone listening to this show if they were offered,

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So let's say Kilani's making one to two to let's

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say even three million, and let's say Penn State's coming

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back with somewhere where James Franklin was, let's just say

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six to eight, I would.

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Speaker 1: Say that Kilanie's salary is probably close to what Kevin's

473
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is right now.

474
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Speaker 3: So like, I think it's probably compared.

475
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Speaker 1: Like if Kevin was making more money than Kilani, okay

476
00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:39,680
that after last year when he got his extension, that's fair,

477
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,119
then that would be I mean, look, if that's the scenario,

478
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then Kilta has every reason to be ten. And the

479
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messaging from Brian is completely incongruent that what he says

480
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and what he does.

481
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Speaker 3: Look at our NBA staff.

482
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Speaker 1: We got the Phoenix Suns nutrition iss and the Milwaukee

483
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,880
Bucks strengthening addition to coach, and they're meant performance coach.

484
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,319
You're saying they all put to pay cuts, all of them,

485
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all of them. And you're saying the nil offering for

486
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the basketball program is not one of the most competitive

487
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in college basketball. You're gonna tell me that it doesn't

488
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,119
align in that way. So for argument stake, let's just

489
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say Kloone's making the same amount.

490
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Speaker 3: So let's say's making five.

491
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Speaker 1: Let's just say he's making the same amount as k

492
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Why sure, what would be fair here? After doing what

493
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he's done since twenty twenty Yes, he received a contract extension,

494
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but we don't know if that included a pay rate,

495
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right don't. We just know it is an extension five

496
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years from twenty twenty four I believe to twenty twenty nine. Right, So,

497
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because his original contract prior to that twenty twenty four

498
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extension was through twenty twenty seven, I imagine it was

499
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another bump two years.

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Speaker 3: And he's got that in hand. And who's to say

501
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Penn State is aren't offering twice that? Like the problem is,

502
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we don't know this is purely speculation.

503
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but my point being to those who are saying

504
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this is dissengenus, this is not honest. This is not

505
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him being committed to BYU. Everyone listening to this show.

506
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If you are working at your current job and you

507
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got a phone call from the company down the street,

508
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you've got a company call from Google or whoever, and

509
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they said, hey, we're willing to double your salary.

510
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Speaker 3: You just have to move out here.

511
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Speaker 5: There's not a single person listening to this show that's

512
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saying no, I'm turning down double my salary.

513
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Speaker 3: That's just the world that we live in. That's called

514
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being a human being.

515
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Speaker 5: And I said this to Ron this morning, like, and

516
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this blows up a lot of things, and it's a

517
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conversation for a different day or a different time. But like,

518
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what if Kalanie, what if he wants to scratch the

519
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itch of the NFL and what if he feels like

520
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he has a better chance of getting to the NFL

521
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from Penn State.

522
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Speaker 3: Than does he does from BYU. I don't know.

523
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Speaker 5: There's just so many things that play into this that

524
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it's not fair for fans to say, well, he's not

525
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being honest by taking that phone call. No, no, no,

526
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:54,680
you always take the phone call, especially when it comes

527
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to a job that could double your salary and potentially

528
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give you a shot at make going to the NFL.

529
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If that's something he's interested in, which I have no clue,

530
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I don't know that at all, but I do think

531
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it's worth being considered as part of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a brief time out. That's our nitty gritty

533
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chime in. Let me know what your thoughts are at

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critdal Benjamin shoot. If we want to take calls, we

535
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can take calls today.

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Speaker 5: Two.

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Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to field any questions that BAYU

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fans may have about this situation. I'll get into the stories.

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to get into. Let me give you the optimistic take

590
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,359
that I've heard. Remember the decision makers are in this situation.

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Who are the key decision makers you have institutionally at

592
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Brigham Young University. Okay, from a hierarchy hierarchical standpoint, you

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have Elder Clark Gilbert that oversees cees, He oversees the

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church educational system. Okay, Shane rees is below him as

595
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the President of Brigham Young University. Under him is Keith Vorkink,

596
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the VP of Advancement. He oversees athletics, broadcasting, and also

597
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other philanthropic visions and the execution of such. Then you

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have Brian Santiago, who is the Athletic director of Brigham

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Young University. Those individuals in tandem consult and converse and

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I D eight and meet with coaches in order to

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make the right hires. Obviously, Shane and Keith are going

602
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to lean on Brian Santiago, that is what he has

603
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been delegated.

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Speaker 3: So Brian takes.

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Speaker 1: Lead with the aid and support of those that are

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uh in upper rational on executive executive positions. And and

607
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then but but whatever they decide realize that has to

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be that has to be put forth in front of

609
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Clark Gilbert. And then Clark Gilbert has to take it

610
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to the Board of Trustees of the Church of Jesus

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Christ of latterday Saints in order to.

612
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Speaker 3: Get this approved.

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Speaker 1: So whatever, okay, Kilanie is requesting, Okay, and I do

614
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believe this isn't that this was a negotiation that has

615
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to be approved. So that's baseline foundational. You guys got

616
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to understand who is making those decisions.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the first story that I've been told is one

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of optimism. These individuals sat down with Kilanie on Sunday

620
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and they are all in on colle that they are

621
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looking to approve everything that he's asked for, which would

622
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probably be an extension, maybe a pay raise for himself,

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pay raises for his coaching staff, and a robust nil

624
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offering that matches.

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Speaker 3: What Basketball has put forth per player.

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Speaker 1: That's not unfair when the market is also determining that

627
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,480
a fair market rate, when Penn State is offering something

628
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probably more grandiose, probably.

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Speaker 3: Something more competitive.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you have official numbers that you can put

631
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:51,119
forth in front of that that crew they have in principle,

632
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from what I've been told, they've approved that and they're

633
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gonna run it up the food chain they're gonna give it.

634
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Take Elder Clark and say, look, this is what we want,

635
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this is what we approved. This is we want Killane

636
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to be our figure out. Take it to the Board

637
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:13,559
of Trustees and let's see what they say. That's one element.

638
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,720
So do you believe the Board of Trustees and the

639
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Brethren want Killani to be the figurehead of BYU athletics

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when they've already approved what k Why got right? Like

641
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400
that was robust offering, right, and that could have been

642
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,759
subsidized by donors and things that that not all of

643
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,519
it's coming out of the BYU coffers, right.

644
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Speaker 5: So yeah, that was my question and I think the

645
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fans would like to know this as well. Does the

646
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salary for these coaches does that come directly from church funds?

647
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Does that come exclusively only from athletics? As we know

648
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,480
they eat what they kill? How does that work?

649
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Speaker 1: So years ago they had the Coaches Circle in order

650
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to stay competitive. That Coaches Circle essentially allowed for donors

651
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to throw money into the pot twenty five fifty thousand.

652
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I don't know how many of them were there were,

653
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but that was then put into an interest recruing account

654
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and then you would kind of you would you would subsidize,

655
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you would match what the institution was willing to pay.

656
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,159
Say it was a million dollars, we're willing to pay

657
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a million dollars our football coach. We're going to match

658
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that through this, through this investment interest accruing annuity. Right

659
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that that's going to subsidize it. And so you can

660
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get to two million or whatever, right.

661
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Speaker 5: That.

662
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Speaker 3: I'm not privy to that.

663
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Speaker 1: Sure, I don't see those numbers, but that was the

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idea behind them, and it's probably something similar.

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Speaker 3: To that to this day.

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Speaker 5: It's not only from one find. It can kind of

667
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be juxtaposed and moved around to make it all work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can figure out through creative fundraising, how

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to how to pay for your coaches.

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Speaker 3: How to pay for your getting phone calls today, which.

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Speaker 1: Then begs the question, do you have a different demographic

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and something I've discussed, a different demographic of donors between

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basketball and football, and I would say the answer is yes.

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Speaker 3: And who owns those basketball donors.

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Speaker 1: Brian Santiago has been the basketball guy forever, and he's

676
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wending his way through the the football infrastructure as well, right,

677
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the football donorship infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So that's one story that I've been told.

679
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Speaker 1: The other story is this that Byu is not capable

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of doing what Kilani would feel as fair or fair

681
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,599
market value. Okay, and Kilani has always already in principle

682
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agreed to the deal with Penn State, and therefore BYU,

683
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you know, over the last months, as I think this

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negotiation between Kilani and Byu has probably been going on

685
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for the last month, I would imagine between his agent,

686
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not necessarily Kilani being heavily involved, but his agent. On

687
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October sixteenth, Kirk Signetti signed and like an eight or

688
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,280
nine year deal worth who knows how much, ninety three

689
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million on October sixteen, So that would maybe a line

690
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over the that that's when those agents reach out when

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they are in the top twenty five, they're undefeated, They're like, hey,

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where are we at?

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Speaker 3: Can we get an extension in place? Can we get this?

694
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Can we get that?

695
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 1: And they begin those discussions. So I would be surprised

696
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if this had been happening for the last month. And

697
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I don't think Kilanie was the number one target for

698
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Penn State or or any of these other schools that

699
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:34,800
could have reached out to him, but he.

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Speaker 3: Was definitely on the short list. He was definitely on

701
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the short list.

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Speaker 1: So that story then tells me that they have already

703
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a plan in place, either to retain Jay Hill as

704
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the next head coach, because if you don't get Jay Hill,

705
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,960
who do you go out and get. If Kilanie were

706
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,320
to leave to Penn State, who do you hire as

707
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,239
your next head Coach's? Yeah, I mean, look, you're gonna

708
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,639
start saying you're gonna have up and comers. You're gonna

709
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,519
have guys like Kelly Papinga, You're gonna have Jason Beck.

710
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,199
Speaker 3: You know, you may want to delvate if you want

711
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,159
to really swing.

712
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: Big, if you really wanted to knock it out of

713
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
the park and make everyone a believer, what are you

714
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,840
gonna go do. You're gonna go pay whatever it takes

715
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,480
to get Kellen Moore. Right, You're gonna go get Kellen Moore,

716
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:25,920
and and that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna bring

717
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,159
him in from the National Football League and pay him

718
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,920
just like you did Kevin Young, whatever it takes to

719
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,360
get him to Provo. Right now, Kellen more salaries what

720
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,920
five to seven and a half million dollars? Okay, So

721
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,639
you know, looking at college football, guys, if James Franklin

722
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,599
was making eight point five million dollars and you really

723
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,599
wanted to go hit a home run because Kalani, you know,

724
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,719
just felt like he wasn't being taken care of.

725
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: They don't see a long term vision of Kalooni being

726
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,760
the I don't know whatever.

727
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,039
Speaker 1: The like, if you're willing to pay that much to

728
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,440
go get Kellen Moore or you know some some some

729
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,199
higher level guy that has a better resume than Jay

730
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,800
Hill does, right, then why wouldn't you pay Killan. He's

731
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,079
already there and has already executed at such a high

732
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,679
level at b YU, and he fits the culture. He's

733
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,480
he's a former BYU cougar, and he aligns with the missions,

734
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,119
the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday States Mission, the

735
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,360
institutional mission at BYU. He just gave a phenomenal devotional

736
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,239
this year, which was to me one of the most

737
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,400
impactful devotionals that I've ever heard at BYU.

738
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,519
Speaker 3: So like, all, why would you go out and do

739
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,840
that when you have Killane.

740
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: So like, from a from a budget standpoint, if you

741
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,360
believe that you can continue, you could pay Jay Hill

742
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,000
or anybody else that says Jason Beck or Kelly Pepinga

743
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,760
or you want to go out and and and I

744
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,880
mean who's available right now from an LDS coaching standpoint,

745
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,159
that's a coordinator. You're gonna get Bronco Menhole's making two

746
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,239
million at Utah State bringing back No, No, they're not

747
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,679
gonna do that. No, Like I wouldn't think it. I

748
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,159
don't think it would be a bad higher. Bronco med

749
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,159
is a phenomenal coach. Loqud what he's done at Utah

750
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:19,480
State in one year, liqu what he did at in

751
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,599
New Mexico in one year, lik what he did at Virginia,

752
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,280
and he probably wants to stay in the state. But

753
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,239
it's very possible that Jay Hill would be the guy

754
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,280
for BYU. Then what does Jay do Well, He's gonna

755
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,000
try to retain some of his staff. He's gonna get

756
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:41,960
aggressive there. He's gonna compete then with Kilani. As Kilani

757
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,400
goes to Penn State, Kilani's gonna bring He's gonna try

758
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,159
to bring his staff that he's built, There's no doubt

759
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:54,000
about it. Then it gets very competitive. He gets extremely competitive.

760
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,599
Kilanie's press conference tells me work, I'm here to coach

761
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:03,840
the big twelve championship game. Does that change this week

762
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:11,159
if Pete thammle Brett McMurphy college football insiders get the

763
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,400
official word from their Penn State sources, because I don't

764
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,880
think they're gonna get them from BYU that Colonia Satalki

765
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,519
is the next head coach at Penn State. That's where

766
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,039
it gets a little bit intriguing, right, look at what

767
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:26,440
Lane Kiffin did. Lane Kiffin wanted his cake and to

768
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,599
eat it too. He signed the deal with LSU and said,

769
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,639
hook I want to still coach at ele Miss. I

770
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,800
want to go through the College Football Playoff, not going

771
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,159
to happen. The ad made the right choice, etc. Judging

772
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,119
that there's no official deal in place.

773
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,039
Speaker 3: At Penn State.

774
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,639
Speaker 1: And there's just kind of rumors in some sub substance

775
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,880
that the conversations are having by multiple sources that I've

776
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,079
been able to confirm with. He could want to just

777
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,320
coach this week and try to win a championship, and

778
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,800
but would Penn.

779
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: State allow him to coach at the College Football Playoff.

780
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 5: But here's here's the best part about this, though, Kiwani

781
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,880
has all of the leverage because if they don't get Kialani,

782
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,039
who are they gonna go out and get everybody else

783
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,199
has already been signed for the most part.

784
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,199
Speaker 3: As far as guys who we're talking about saying Penn

785
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,920
State doesn't like, right, who else do they have?

786
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,559
Speaker 5: They don't have any leverage to say no, Kalani, you

787
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,320
need to give us a decision right now, because Kilani

788
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,639
can say, okay, cool, who else are you gonna hire?

789
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Because John Sumral just took a job, laying Kifvin just

790
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,639
took a job, and all these other guys that you wanted,

791
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,199
Matt Ruhlkertz, Signetti, they all signed extensions.

792
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,639
Speaker 3: So who else are you gonna go get? That's not me? Yeah?

793
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: Son de Ball has been also listed as a as

794
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,320
a favorite right now on Calshi. This is a kind

795
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:49,119
of a market betting platform where like the market can

796
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:50,800
bet on who the next head coach is gonna be,

797
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,000
you can bet on anything.

798
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: So how valid is it?

799
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

800
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: The the numbers the chances skyrocketed about seventy five percent,

801
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,239
So it's it's gone up since you know, the last

802
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:04,320
couple of days.

803
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: But those are the two stories that I've heard, So

804
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,920
take it for what it's worth.

805
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: Like I want to believe that they're gonna run it

806
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:17,920
up the food chain, and that Brian is all in

807
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,880
on Kilane as the figurehead of this of this school,

808
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,760
and that you're able to retain the coaching staff as is,

809
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,880
which they're They're a phenomenal football team. They are the pure, unadulterated,

810
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:39,320
complimentary football team that is overachieving per the expectations of

811
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,079
their recruiting rankings, over achieving per their expectations win loss

812
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,360
over the last two seasons.

813
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: And furthermore, no one even wants.

814
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,119
Speaker 1: Them to the college Football Playoff because they don't pass

815
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,800
their subjective eye test, even though eleven and one there's like, ah,

816
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,920
it's a nice little program. Still, it's a nice little program,

817
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,400
but not a college football Playoff type of program.

818
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: Not yet.

819
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,039
Speaker 1: They'd have to beat Texas Tech to do it. So, Ronald,

820
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:06,800
I know you have something to say. Give me your thoughts.

821
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: Uh, well, not just my thoughts.

822
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 6: I agree with what you guys are all saying, especially

823
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,239
the biggest part, Ben, Why would you go get Kellen

824
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,800
Moore if.

825
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 3: You you can just keep Killani. That's not what I

826
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,199
think it is.

827
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: I do.

828
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: I do think this though.

829
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 6: All three sports put this out an hour ago. Uh,

830
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,760
Tennessee's head coach, Josh Hoople tails Chris flow of on three.

831
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,760
He's not a candidate for the Penn State. Penn State job,

832
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,000
he says, I wouldn't want low expectations. That's part of

833
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,599
why I want to be here. Will one big Now,

834
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,239
So Tennessee's coach is also out.

835
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just heipel a great coach, great offensive mind. He's uh,

836
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,360
he's not field and Andy calls from Penn State. I

837
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,599
believe he played at Tennessee.

838
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 5: If well, I guess that doesn't really mean anything because

839
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,079
I guess so did Killani. But he is a Tennessee

840
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:47,840
guy through and through and they did just get boat

841
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,519
raced by Vanderbilt the other day. So, but that is

842
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,000
interesting because that probably would be the only other guy

843
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,280
who you might say is in Kilanie's class to take

844
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,679
that job. And if he said he's not involved in it,

845
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,159
then really, how short is that list? So I want

846
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,760
to believe the optimistic story is what I'm getting at that.

847
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:10,079
Brian Santiago, Shane Reaves, and Keith Forking met with Klane

848
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,599
on Sunday and said, look, what is it that you

849
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,360
need in order for us to come to an accord

850
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:22,480
of of an extension pay raise, coaching pay raise, nil.

851
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,119
Investment that matches, okay, is congruent with what BAU Basketball

852
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:33,679
has ultimately invested staffing, right look at look at your

853
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,639
basketball has a an NBA staff For the love of

854
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:41,559
all that's holy, they have every nook and granny filled

855
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:45,119
with talent at every single position, not only in the

856
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,519
coaching staff, the support staff, but on the basketball roster

857
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
through nil. Is it fair for Kilani to ask that

858
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,280
same investment to the team, the organization, the sport that

859
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,119
runs the ship from a pro often and lost revenue

860
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,079
standpoint in the athletic department.

861
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he's proven it.

862
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: The question is, do those executives, those decision makers believe

863
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,039
that Kolani is the guy to lead BYU for the

864
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:24,960
next five ten years or if it's somebody else, do

865
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,079
they believe it's Jay Hill that needs to be that guy?

866
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:32,159
Speaker 3: Right? Do they believe it's somebody else? Right now?

867
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: That list is short of individuals that you can hire

868
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,880
as the next head coach at YU that align with

869
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:42,800
probably Brian Santiago. Look at Brian Santiago's personality, where his

870
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,119
relationships reside and who does.

871
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 3: He align with? You know what I mean, yeah, and.

872
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: You come to a pretty ready conclusion that Ja would

873
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,159
be the guy. Now, could Kolani, with his robust resources, say, Jay,

874
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,559
come with me to State?

875
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: Please? No, come to me with to Penn State and

876
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:05,760
I'll make you.

877
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: By the way, the defense coordinator of Penn State, I

878
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,599
believe this year was the highest paid assistant coach in

879
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:11,360
college football.

880
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: Ben, That scares me.

881
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I'm jumping this.

882
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,599
Speaker 3: Okay, fact check me on this.

883
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: I believe they're DC who came over from Ohio State

884
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,400
was the highest paid assistant coach in college football.

885
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: This hit last year. Now did he do well?

886
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:24,199
Speaker 5: No?

887
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: Uh? And so he could be on the outs, right,

888
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,599
Jim Knowles? Yeah? How much? Three million year deal?

889
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 5: Average three point one million dollars per season paid assistant.

890
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: Coach in college football. So let's say, yeah, well, and

891
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:40,800
that's the thing.

892
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So if he's the head coach at b YU,

893
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,079
if j Hills the head coach at b YU, let's

894
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,119
say it's four million to be the head coach.

895
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,079
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be able to match that? You're gonna

896
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,920
be able to match you know, four years or I

897
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,039
mean three four year deal at four million? Five?

898
00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like five year deal at

899
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,880
four to five million, if you're gonna are you gonna

900
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,760
match that? No, Like that's where you can't get you

901
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,599
can't stay competitive. If it's three million, if that's what

902
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,679
Byu is paying Killani, which I don't think. I think

903
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,920
it's more than three million. I think it's more than

904
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,199
three million because I think it would be completely and

905
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,159
utterly disrespectful to be paying Kialani three million when you're

906
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,480
paying Kevin Young for the last two years four point

907
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,800
three plus. Yeah, So I think there has to be

908
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,039
some sort of like equivalency there. I don't think they

909
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:29,920
would have disrespected him like that.

910
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah?

911
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: And we have confirmed reports from from Matt Norlander and

912
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,000
others that it was the initial deal was four point

913
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:37,559
three million.

914
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So.

915
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,679
Speaker 1: I guess my conclusion at all this is, Look, I

916
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,159
think no matter what BYU's gonna be Okay, I really

917
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:50,880
do believe that.

918
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,679
Speaker 3: I think Byu there was a.

919
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 1: There was an idea germinated that I heard time and

920
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,559
time again during the Bronco Man in Hall era.

921
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: And this is in regards to football.

922
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Remember when Tom Holmer became a d he went out

923
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,800
and tried to get Kyle Witting him. Kywitting has said,

924
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,360
no one ended up at the University of Utah. Were

925
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
there other candidates possibly, but Broncoman and I'll end up

926
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,559
getting the head coaching job as a unproven head coach.

927
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,960
And then he took Bway you to bawligibility and then

928
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,559
one four had had four consecutive double digit win seasons,

929
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,440
and then after that during independence, by You averaged still

930
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,960
I think eight wins a season. The idea was planted

931
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,039
and germinated that because of BYU's brand, because BYU attracts

932
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,039
a certain level of athlete and they come from goodly

933
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:46,320
homes with goodly parents who love the Lord more often

934
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,599
than not. Right that you will continue to win and

935
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,800
overachieve versus your recruiting ranking. That is also honestly, it's

936
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,119
it's negatively influenced by missions by the way, So when

937
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,239
you when you commit to be you get a little downgrade.

938
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:01,679
Speaker 3: We've seen that.

939
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,599
Speaker 1: There's an objective data on that, but you know, you

940
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,239
you process that and you evaluate that and you're like, okay,

941
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,360
like what is the future going to be like at

942
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:23,440
BYU with particular coaches, with particular staff, and right now,

943
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I would say, even though you hate to do it,

944
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there are those within kugarnation donor base that are pitting

945
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Kilani and Jay against each other.

946
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Speaker 3: That's the nature of it.

947
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:40,559
Speaker 1: They think that the future of BYU will be led

948
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:47,880
by j Hill rather than Kilanie. Right, two different managerial

949
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:54,719
leadership styles, two different types which like so Tom Homer

950
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,599
was a leavel guy, Killane wants to be the Polynesian level.

951
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,639
Tom Holmo thought that Kilani was the guy to lead

952
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,679
BYU's football program. Why he saw much of what made

953
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,920
BYU great from nineteen seventy two to two thousand in

954
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:19,400
Killannie in that influence from Lavelle, A visionary, a master delegator,

955
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,360
that's what Kialani is. And a good recruiter, a phenomenal

956
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,719
recruiter when he's got boots on the ground. Nobody competes

957
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,519
with Kilani, is Brian? Is that Brian Santiago's way of

958
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:33,760
leadership as a basketball guy going forward or does he

959
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:40,440
see more alignment, okay with with Jay Hill in his

960
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,920
form of leadership in culture building?

961
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? It's all about who you align

962
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,159
with and what the rhetoric will be.

963
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: And this is what's gonna be. You know, this is

964
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,559
what's gonna stink about it. All the rhetoric from BYU

965
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:57,000
as an institution in a in a over like in

966
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,679
a a in a in a kind of underli kind

967
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,280
of manner. What it's gonna be is this Kalani left

968
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,159
for the money, and I don't think that that's accurate whatsoever.

969
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,360
Kialanie left and he was never loyal, He was never loyal,

970
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,679
strong and true right, he left because he wanted that

971
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,360
that ten million dollars salary. Like, I don't know if

972
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,320
that's accurate. It's because it's never been about the money

973
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,360
with Kilanie. It's never been about the amount of money.

974
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,519
To me, what comes into play is when you compare

975
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:37,800
contrast basketball and football, and and there's a comp it's

976
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,320
lopsided towards basketball, and you're over here a football guy

977
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,280
like wait, Like, if the head coach for men's basketball

978
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,119
once again is making five million dollars, what should the

979
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,480
head coach for BA football be making. Keep in mind,

980
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,599
the football coach has been a part of BYU basically

981
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,079
for twenty two years of his life, and Kevin Young.

982
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: Does not have that kind of ten year at BYU.

983
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,039
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying it's like, so, what's the messaging

984
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,639
gonna be from Koloney's camp, what's the messager gonna be

985
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,960
from BYU's institutional camp. And what many people will say

986
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,760
is like, you're gonna there's gonna be a bifurcation. There's

987
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,119
gonna be those that are like, yes, Jay Hills our guy.

988
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:19,880
They're gonna give a lot of credit to Jay Hill

989
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,639
for what's occurred over the last two years in the

990
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Big Twelve. Well, I get it, Like, Jay Hill's a

991
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,440
phenomenal coach. He also has a phenomenal staff under him.

992
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:38,239
Kelly papinga phenomenals special teams coordinator, Okay, Justinetta defensive coordinating experience.

993
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,159
Chad k phenomenal coach that's been in the industry for

994
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,039
twenty five years. Gary Anderson is a senior analyst on

995
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,880
the defensive staff. Guys like, there's a robust staff. You

996
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,760
gotta give credit to everybody that's involved in that. A

997
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,800
Rod has a top twenty five offense this year per

998
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:10,599
ESPNSP plus. So I'm intrigued what happens if Satake does leave? Man,

999
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,440
I can't believe we're eve been talking about.

1000
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 5: It.

1001
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: Just pains me because Kilani is BYU. Yeah, Kilani is BYU.

1002
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: And I'm talking with Scott Frost in the post game

1003
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,719
and he's going out of his way to discuss who

1004
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Kilani is. And he's one of the good guys in

1005
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:35,039
the business, and we're not willing to, in my opinion,

1006
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,559
probably pay a fairer market rate for a resume over

1007
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:40,239
the last six.

1008
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 3: Years, Like there's a there's an issue there, Like I'm like.

1009
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: Wait, Like Dion Sanders Prime is going out of his

1010
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,159
way in press conferences to discuss how much he loves

1011
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,840
Kialani Satake. I mean, I can go down the list

1012
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,880
of every single coach. It reminds you of Lavell. Everyone

1013
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,239
would go out of their way to discuss how influential

1014
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,360
and how pivotal and how how enriching the relationship with

1015
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:14,800
Level was to the point where coaches and media were

1016
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,320
voting for BYU to be national champions because of a

1017
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440
number of factors, but because there is a certain amount

1018
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:27,800
of anecdotal, relational positive fruits from those interactions with Level

1019
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,519
over the years, and Killone's been building that over the

1020
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years over his ten year tenure, ten year tenure at BYU.

1021
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Speaker 3: I just have one bomb to drop everyone before we

1022
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:38,599
go to break Heay, what do we got?

1023
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 5: And this is in breaking news, but this is just

1024
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,239
a little bit of a thought that everyone needs to

1025
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,840
keep in mind. You retweeted this Bretman Murphy said, Hey,

1026
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,599
if all miss loses their head coach, what will Vegas

1027
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:52,039
do to Byu? And now I'm coming here and I'm saying, Hey,

1028
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,039
if UYU loses Penn State, how much will the committee

1029
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,840
hold that against a BYU team that they already don't

1030
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,039
want to give any credence to.

1031
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: There you go.

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