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Speaker 1: So obviously we're gonna delve into the Kaloni shutake rumors
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Let's welcome in Brett always bringing the hammer Hammer time show.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 5: How many times have we said that this year? Well,
this isn't the show we were playing on doing today,
but here we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what that is? The chaos, the adrenaline.
Speaker 5: That is why we learn work in live sports, because
you plan for hours on what you're gonna do, and
the second you go live, you toss all that prep
in the garbage.
Speaker 3: And here we are with a story that I thought
this whole weekend.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is such a made up rumor.
There's no way this is true. And then I asked
a couple of people and they were like, yeah, this
winkwink dot dot. I can't really say a whole lot.
And then as time goes on, the more things we hear.
And it's weird because we're sitting in a situation where
none of the big guys, the famils, none of those
guys are saying anything. Yeah, but that you have lots
of people who are like necessarily sources, but they're semi
connected on Twitter, some people saying it's already a done deal,
some people saying that it's nowhere closed.
Speaker 3: So this is gonna be a fun story and a
fun wave to ride.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, let's also welcome in Ronald the three man
weaver behind the Glass of beIN Shaltlike, Ronnie, how.
Speaker 3: You living living good?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: It's crazy, Ben, But look, hey, I just want to
tell everybody b Yu has benefited. As we always joke
about the portal to give it, the portal will give
it in a take it. This is a coaching thing,
I know, but even a regard look by you got
Kevin Young on the basketball side, he got Jay Hills.
Sometimes things happen. That's how you know things are brewing
well in Provo. If somebody wants your head coach. This
is not the first go around though.
Speaker 3: With Kilani Ben.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, I mean Klane has field job opportunities elsewhere,
whether it was Washington or Oregon. USC he was in
the mix for a number job UCLA. He was named
as a as a candidate there, and look he's been
reached out to. I even think like UCF once, you know,
just a few years ago reached out to him. He
has family in laws out there in Florida. And look,
he's done great things since twenty twenty. When you look
at Kilanie's resume since twenty twenty, you win eleven and one,
ten and three, and then he had a bit of
a drop off eight and five and then in that
final year of independence five and s in the first
year of the Big twelve. But remember that that final
finish of that first season, they almost knocked off two
top twenty five teams in Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Those
came down to final possessions essentially final plays, and then
he's been overachieving since then. For his talent recruited, he's
been developing at a high level. Eleven and two last season,
now eleven and one. That record fifty six and nineteen
with a winning percentage of about seventy one percent lists
him in the top ten amongst all FBS coaches in
that stretch. So he's a top ten college football coach. Okay,
whether you want to give him all the credit or not,
here's the visionary of this program and here's the head coach.
A coach who wins at that level will attract offers.
In my opinion, him fielding offers and having conversations round
offers is not a sign of disloyalty as some people
have stated.
Speaker 3: It is just the nats of the business.
Speaker 1: It's what professionals need to do, especially when you know,
I want to believe that BYU is always loyal, strong
and true to all of their coaches. You know they
are fair and honest and all of their dealings with
their players and coaches and personnel. But there we are
dealing with a fallible entity, and there's a certain amount
of professionalism that that is required from all parties involved.
Speaker 3: And sometimes there are clandestine.
Speaker 1: Workings Game of Thrones asque type of dealings, okay, that
happen behind closed doors, and those in power will effectuate
their vision of what they want.
Speaker 3: And this is the nature of the business, okay.
Speaker 1: And Killane wants probably a fair market rate for his resume,
wants fair market rate for his coaches, and fair market
rate for his players that are representing Brigham you on university,
and he's going to be an advocate for all three
of those things.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna break this down top to bottom, inside
and out, left and right, all the things here on
your uti us being ready to We had plans to
get into like sound postgame commentary, Like I don't know
how much sound we were gonna get into today with.
Speaker 3: Like the postgame stuff. We may have to just push
that to the podcast. Guys.
Speaker 1: I know we were switching it up here, so I
kind of want to stay live with all of this
content that's brewing.
Speaker 3: We could have some breaking news at any moment. Okay,
we just could. Kalani Sataki addressed the media earlier today.
By the way, I can't even find that video.
Speaker 5: I can find Texas Tech and Joey Maguire, I can
find Brett Yormark. There's a bunch of people tweeting about it,
and look, sometimes it does take them a little while.
So I'm not saying it's a conspiracy that they're not
putting out because of this, but there are only tweets
coming out about this press conference.
Speaker 3: It has not been sent to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we had planned to go Klini Shataki
post game UCF. We'll get some sound bites from the
press conference. We'll get that dialt up here momentary I
sent out over to Ronnie one of the comments here,
and I'll get through some of the quotes we were
gonna get in at Evan Johnson comments, Beart Bachmeer comments.
We may have to push that to the podcast. I
hate to say it, but in LJ. Martin and Kelly
postgame Jack Jack Kelly. We'll get some great interviews on
the back end here, Brady Papinga, John Beck. I may
want to reach out to Matt Brown of extra points.
He's had conversation on the Penn State side. I also
had conversation with Brett McMurphy yesterday and today, so I
have some insights I think about the validity, validity and
the conversations that have had been had between BYU and
or rather Colonie Shatake and Penn State.
Speaker 3: So these are real, there's real.
Speaker 1: Traction to this, there's real movement in this direction. I
have two different stories that are being told to me
from different sources at this time, and I do find
it surprising, Okay, with these two separate stories that are
being given to me at this time, Brett that no
national media college football insider has declared or proclaimed anything official. Nothing,
Nothing has dropped Pete Naikos, Brett McMurphy, Pete Thamile. No
one has dropped anything up to this point in the show. Well,
even when Florida was just talking to.
Speaker 5: John summerw Peith Damill at least said, hey, they're in
talks right now. Yes, I find it very odd that
nobody has even been willing to say Penn State is
even interested in Kalanie Sataki. We haven't gotten anything, and
so I'm a little curious as to why that is.
Honestly when it seems like it's the worst kept secret
in the college football world. Yeah, look, there's a lot
that we have to break down and discuss, and I'll
give you all my inside of knowledge led saw that.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna keep it open endo here like we're
gonna have.
Speaker 1: Some good interviews, keep it dialed in, John Beg Brady, Pipingle, Guys,
I'm gonna be reaching out to Matt Brown here shortly.
We're gonna try to inter twine him into the conversation
as well as he has some great sources there at
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key soundbites here from Kalani Sitake's press conference earlier today,
addressing some of the rumors around his move his potential
move to Penn State.
Speaker 4: I have to address it because it's the world is
small now and people can see stuff on social media
and everything and so and you guys do a great
job at covering things and so yeah, I'll address it.
But also they're used to me saying, hey, this is
a good sign, you know that things are going well
for us. But I will say that this isn't about me.
What I've what I've asked our team to do is
to be focused on what we're trying to accomplish. There
are marks of finishers, and that's what we're trying to
do with trying to finish the season the right way
and get after it. And it's required of us to
be at our best to play against Texas Tech. So
as we go through this week and go through the prep,
I also want them to live through all all the
moments and have the great experience and not not waste
the moment thinking about anything else. So I've asked our
team to be focused on what we can control, and
that's the right now. We control what we're doing as
a team and not worry about all the distraction. This
is a great distraction to have, let's be honest, but
you know, right now, we need to be focused on
making sure that we're giving our best shot in this
game against Texas Tech. I have to address it because.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: I have to address it because the world is small
now and people can see stuff on social media and everything.
This is a good sign that things are going well. Okay,
that was kind of the thesis of this. You guys
do a good job. Give some compliments to the local
media covering all the ins and outs of this. He
did not address specifically the Football Scoop Report that he
is in talks with Penn State to become.
Speaker 3: The Nitney Lions next head coach. He said.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, essentially at the beginning of his
his interview that he's not going to address that, but
that's kind of the state of where we're at. He says,
I'm all about the Big twelve Championship and keeping our
team focus on that. We're going to avoid all the distractions.
Your thoughts here, Brett always bringing the hammer. Mike Jay Astey,
who is a guy we have had on the show before.
Speaker 3: He tweeted out just a couple hours ago.
Speaker 5: I heard he was at Penn State this morning, and
I went ahead and I looked at it, and it's
about a four hour flight, four to five hours.
Speaker 3: So it's not impossible that he it would be.
Speaker 5: I mean, he would have had to have been there yesterday,
maybe spent the day there, and flown home this morning.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not totally impossible.
Speaker 5: But I did that and that was an interesting tidbit
that I found as I've been doing some uh doing.
Speaker 3: Some journalism here capital some Big Jay journalism. I do
think he made an interesting point.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was his to make but
when he did say, like, this is a good distraction,
because I do think, like, look, if you're on a
date with somebody man or woman and someone else is
staring at your date, that means you're out with someone
who's pretty great. So, yes, does this suck that people
want to poach Klani? Yeah, but you know what that
means you have somebody worth being poached, which is an
incredible sign of respect.
Speaker 3: And hey, I'm jealous of what you've got.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it sucks that we have to sit here
on a Monday and talk about the potential of maybe
Kilanie Sataki wanting to go to Penn State or wanting
to at least be open to whatever Penn State has
to offer. But all that being said, it means that
Kalani Sataki, I mean, there's no bigger validation, right, There's
no greater validation that you have a great head coach
then Penn State, which is probably the biggest brand left
with an open coaching position and frankly one of the
biggest brands in college football, they want your coach. So
when Khalani says, hey, this is a good distraction, YadA
YadA YadA, like that is a fair assessment.
Speaker 3: To me, it is fair.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Lane Kiffin essentially said and
leading up to his decession that he went to the issue.
Speaker 3: So I don't like that.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna be negative Nancy right now and give
you one one standpoint, like I said, I'm bifrecating the
positive outlook and the negative outlook for those that are
wanting to retain Kilani, I'm gonna give you both of them.
I've heard two stories from like multiple credible sources, and
I mean like and like I said, there's probably a
messaging that's going on internally, and there's a reason why
I'm getting two different types of messages. I'll delve into that.
So what I want to baseline found foundationally say about this,
and I tweeted this out about three hours ago, this
is a disheartening reality of the state of college football
in many ways. I love the college football nil transfer
portal parody that we're experiencing across this world. Right there
are multiple three loss teams in the top twenty five,
because there's more parody now than ever, Like you have.
Speaker 3: Multiple two loss teams.
Speaker 1: They probably shouldn't be in front of by you, by
the way, in the Collegeetball Playoff Committee rankings.
Speaker 3: But two loss teams like three of them? That are
all three or four of them?
Speaker 1: Right, I can't even remember how many there are. Now
there's more parody now than ever. Anybody can beat anybody
on any given day, it seems.
Speaker 3: And I love that.
Speaker 1: The problem is look BYU is prepping for one of
their biggest games in football history, with a legitimate shot
at the College football Playoff. The focus should be entirely
on the football field, the task at hand. The college
football calendar is fundamentally broken. Conference championship weekend is year
and early signing day looms this week December third to
the fifth.
Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Nothing about this timing and alignment makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Shoot, even Rick Bettino, for like.
Speaker 1: A phenomenal college basketball coach, a legendary coach, chimed in
and he's like, I'm not trying to hate on football,
but like, imagine me as a one seed, okay, going
into March madness, and I'm like, nah, peace, I'm taking
another job elsewhere so I can go compete for a
national championship. That's what just happened with Lane Kiffin, and
that's what could happen with Colonie Satake here. Instead, we're
forced to confront this like this validated now validated reports
that Penn State is making a serious push to coach,
to poach Klonie Satake.
Speaker 3: Now, this is what I'll say about Coloni. He's a professional.
Speaker 1: He's obligated to listen, to evaluate opportunities to negotiate his
future at ba just like any head coach in his
position would. And if you say otherwise, you're being disingenuous.
All of us would do the same thing with the
calendar that we have in front of us, okay, requesting
fair market value for himself, his coaches and nil for
his players. There's zero doubt in my mind that Kilani's
vision from the start has always been to become the
Polynesian Levelle Edwards and live out his days of tenure
at BYU. He's said that he's been declared him. The
timing is brutal. The stakes couldn't be higher right now.
And yeah, even though Kilani says it's a good distractions,
it means BA us in a good spot.
Speaker 3: I hate it, I abhor it, I disdain it.
Speaker 1: I feel it's so unfortunate for not only I feel
so bad for the players currently in the situations because
they do not know what the future holds for their team.
Speaker 3: They don't know what's happening internally.
Speaker 1: If if Kilani does go to Penn State, are they
are their coaches going to Penn State? Are they gonna
go with those position coaches? Who's gonna be retained? Who's
going to be the head coach? Do I want to
stick out at BYU? All of these things start to occur.
Agents get involved, parents get involved, and they're like, holy cow,
what are we going to do? We have a big
twelve championship game on the line, We could go to
a college football playoff. We could win a national championship
if the stars align all those things right, Like, the
potential is there?
Speaker 3: Okay? Is it a reality? Is it pragmatic to say such?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But you're in the dance.
Speaker 1: If you win this weekend and you're having to deal
with the mess, you're having to deal with the muck,
You're having to deal with the chaos, and that uncertainty
breeds more chaos, It breeds a certain lack of execution,
It breeds a certain amount of distrust within what is
happening within the program. Operationally the logisticate and a day in,
day out environment. Everybody's talking, everyone's interacting, everyone's saying what
do you hear?
Speaker 3: And what have you seen? What have you heard? And
we're sitting here like this.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well there's room and there's some validated reports, and
I've been able to confirm those that Penn State is
going aggressively at Kialate, and Kilani has shown interest and
have fielded those calls and has fielded those offerings okay,
and has then gone back to BYU and said, look,
this is where we're at.
Speaker 3: What can we do to create a fair market value?
Speaker 1: My baseline if you ever hear me discuss anything like
this over the years, I believe institutionally, morally, ethically, BYU
should be honest and fair in their dealings with their
fellow men.
Speaker 3: Is that too much to ask?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: What does that mean as it pertains to temporal that's
the question. Temporal?
Speaker 3: You know, payroll? Right?
Speaker 1: Is it the average salary head coaching salary at the
FPS level, the P four level, if we're just talking
about Killani specifically, is it the average you know, salary
minus a certain percentage? Because at BYU it just it
just means more, right, is it a you know, twenty
percent deduction, thirty percent deduction, forty percent deduction from fair
market rate because you're at BYU and BYU has traditionally
underpaid per the market rate.
Speaker 3: So I'm okay with that. Okay, But this is where
it gets sticky. This is where it gets really icky.
Speaker 1: What did Brian Santiago, Shane Reese and Keith Forking and
Elder Gilbert and the board of trustees approve when Kevin
Young became the head coach of Brigham Young University? They
per reports Okay, WoDES dropped the bomb, and then nor.
Speaker 3: Lander, Okay, it was four point three million annually.
Speaker 1: It was what a seven year deal worth thirty million
dollars and after one season that was renewed and probably elevated.
So let's say this report is true and accurate, which
I imagine it is. I imagine it's an accurate report
coming from Capital J journalists. If Kevin Young is making
approximately five million dollars, let's say, with incentives in bonus structure,
et cetera, what should your head football coach be making?
If I'm taking his own words, Brian Santiago stated, football
runs the ship. What should Kalanie be making? What should
his salary be in a fair market value? Honest in
your dealings with your fellow man, and you're set a
precedent for what basketball is making.
Speaker 3: Doesn't football run the ship?
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at that and I'm like, okay, well
is that six point five million?
Speaker 3: Is that seven million? Is that eight million? Is it
the same rate that Kevin is making? What's the priority here?
Speaker 1: And is there money to be distributed or are we
going to plead poverty and say, well, the board of
trustees is not going to approve that. If you're Killani
and you're evaluating that and you're being offered a eight
figure sum, Okay, James frank was making eight point five
so you have to imagine it's going to be close
to that or more. Penn State has now swung and
missed on a number of opportunities. Matt Rule, Kirk Signetti,
go down the list. John Somerral could have been in
the mix. He goes to Florida, right, and Kilani was.
Speaker 5: Much bigger at the time than James Franklin was when
he was coming out of Vanderbilt one hundred percent, you know,
I mean, he's a proven commodity in the college football world.
Speaker 3: So I'm taking all.
Speaker 1: That into account and I'm saying, okay, what should be
why you do in this situation? Many some people will
say Killani's you know, the fact that Kilani is interviewing
Penn State, that is that is disloyal, that is unprofessional
that I'm like, guys, this is the college football calendar.
Speaker 3: Like he's he's required to in my opinion.
Speaker 5: But anyone listening to this show if they were offered,
So let's say Kilani's making one to two to let's
say even three million, and let's say Penn State's coming
back with somewhere where James Franklin was, let's just say
six to eight, I would.
Speaker 1: Say that Kilanie's salary is probably close to what Kevin's
is right now.
Speaker 3: So like, I think it's probably compared.
Speaker 1: Like if Kevin was making more money than Kilani, okay
that after last year when he got his extension, that's fair,
then that would be I mean, look, if that's the scenario,
then Kilta has every reason to be ten. And the
messaging from Brian is completely incongruent that what he says
and what he does.
Speaker 3: Look at our NBA staff.
Speaker 1: We got the Phoenix Suns nutrition iss and the Milwaukee
Bucks strengthening addition to coach, and they're meant performance coach.
You're saying they all put to pay cuts, all of them,
all of them. And you're saying the nil offering for
the basketball program is not one of the most competitive
in college basketball. You're gonna tell me that it doesn't
align in that way. So for argument stake, let's just
say Kloone's making the same amount.
Speaker 3: So let's say's making five.
Speaker 1: Let's just say he's making the same amount as k
Why sure, what would be fair here? After doing what
he's done since twenty twenty Yes, he received a contract extension,
but we don't know if that included a pay rate,
right don't. We just know it is an extension five
years from twenty twenty four I believe to twenty twenty nine. Right, So,
because his original contract prior to that twenty twenty four
extension was through twenty twenty seven, I imagine it was
another bump two years.
Speaker 3: And he's got that in hand. And who's to say
Penn State is aren't offering twice that? Like the problem is,
we don't know this is purely speculation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but my point being to those who are saying
this is dissengenus, this is not honest. This is not
him being committed to BYU. Everyone listening to this show.
If you are working at your current job and you
got a phone call from the company down the street,
you've got a company call from Google or whoever, and
they said, hey, we're willing to double your salary.
Speaker 3: You just have to move out here.
Speaker 5: There's not a single person listening to this show that's
saying no, I'm turning down double my salary.
Speaker 3: That's just the world that we live in. That's called
being a human being.
Speaker 5: And I said this to Ron this morning, like, and
this blows up a lot of things, and it's a
conversation for a different day or a different time. But like,
what if Kalanie, what if he wants to scratch the
itch of the NFL and what if he feels like
he has a better chance of getting to the NFL
from Penn State.
Speaker 3: Than does he does from BYU. I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's just so many things that play into this that
it's not fair for fans to say, well, he's not
being honest by taking that phone call. No, no, no,
you always take the phone call, especially when it comes
to a job that could double your salary and potentially
give you a shot at make going to the NFL.
If that's something he's interested in, which I have no clue,
I don't know that at all, but I do think
it's worth being considered as part of this conversation.
Speaker 1: Let's take a brief time out. That's our nitty gritty
chime in. Let me know what your thoughts are at
critdal Benjamin shoot. If we want to take calls, we
can take calls today.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to field any questions that BAYU
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I'll tell you tell you just the two different stories
I've been told yesterday and today, uh here in this segment.
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five fifty. Okay, So a couple of things I want
to get into. Let me give you the optimistic take
that I've heard. Remember the decision makers are in this situation.
Who are the key decision makers you have institutionally at
Brigham Young University. Okay, from a hierarchy hierarchical standpoint, you
have Elder Clark Gilbert that oversees cees, He oversees the
church educational system. Okay, Shane rees is below him as
the President of Brigham Young University. Under him is Keith Vorkink,
the VP of Advancement. He oversees athletics, broadcasting, and also
other philanthropic visions and the execution of such. Then you
have Brian Santiago, who is the Athletic director of Brigham
Young University. Those individuals in tandem consult and converse and
I D eight and meet with coaches in order to
make the right hires. Obviously, Shane and Keith are going
to lean on Brian Santiago, that is what he has
been delegated.
Speaker 3: So Brian takes.
Speaker 1: Lead with the aid and support of those that are
uh in upper rational on executive executive positions. And and
then but but whatever they decide realize that has to
be that has to be put forth in front of
Clark Gilbert. And then Clark Gilbert has to take it
to the Board of Trustees of the Church of Jesus
Christ of latterday Saints in order to.
Speaker 3: Get this approved.
Speaker 1: So whatever, okay, Kilanie is requesting, Okay, and I do
believe this isn't that this was a negotiation that has
to be approved. So that's baseline foundational. You guys got
to understand who is making those decisions.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the first story that I've been told is one
of optimism. These individuals sat down with Kilanie on Sunday
and they are all in on colle that they are
looking to approve everything that he's asked for, which would
probably be an extension, maybe a pay raise for himself,
pay raises for his coaching staff, and a robust nil
offering that matches.
Speaker 3: What Basketball has put forth per player.
Speaker 1: That's not unfair when the market is also determining that
a fair market rate, when Penn State is offering something
probably more grandiose, probably.
Speaker 3: Something more competitive.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you have official numbers that you can put
forth in front of that that crew they have in principle,
from what I've been told, they've approved that and they're
gonna run it up the food chain they're gonna give it.
Take Elder Clark and say, look, this is what we want,
this is what we approved. This is we want Killane
to be our figure out. Take it to the Board
of Trustees and let's see what they say. That's one element.
So do you believe the Board of Trustees and the
Brethren want Killani to be the figurehead of BYU athletics
when they've already approved what k Why got right? Like
that was robust offering, right, and that could have been
subsidized by donors and things that that not all of
it's coming out of the BYU coffers, right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was my question and I think the
fans would like to know this as well. Does the
salary for these coaches does that come directly from church funds?
Does that come exclusively only from athletics? As we know
they eat what they kill? How does that work?
Speaker 1: So years ago they had the Coaches Circle in order
to stay competitive. That Coaches Circle essentially allowed for donors
to throw money into the pot twenty five fifty thousand.
I don't know how many of them were there were,
but that was then put into an interest recruing account
and then you would kind of you would you would subsidize,
you would match what the institution was willing to pay.
Say it was a million dollars, we're willing to pay
a million dollars our football coach. We're going to match
that through this, through this investment interest accruing annuity. Right
that that's going to subsidize it. And so you can
get to two million or whatever, right.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: I'm not privy to that.
Speaker 1: Sure, I don't see those numbers, but that was the
idea behind them, and it's probably something similar.
Speaker 3: To that to this day.
Speaker 5: It's not only from one find. It can kind of
be juxtaposed and moved around to make it all work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can figure out through creative fundraising, how
to how to pay for your coaches.
Speaker 3: How to pay for your getting phone calls today, which.
Speaker 1: Then begs the question, do you have a different demographic
and something I've discussed, a different demographic of donors between
basketball and football, and I would say the answer is yes.
Speaker 3: And who owns those basketball donors.
Speaker 1: Brian Santiago has been the basketball guy forever, and he's
wending his way through the the football infrastructure as well, right,
the football donorship infrastructure.
Speaker 3: So that's one story that I've been told.
Speaker 1: The other story is this that Byu is not capable
of doing what Kilani would feel as fair or fair
market value. Okay, and Kilani has always already in principle
agreed to the deal with Penn State, and therefore BYU,
you know, over the last months, as I think this
negotiation between Kilani and Byu has probably been going on
for the last month, I would imagine between his agent,
not necessarily Kilani being heavily involved, but his agent. On
October sixteenth, Kirk Signetti signed and like an eight or
nine year deal worth who knows how much, ninety three
million on October sixteen, So that would maybe a line
over the that that's when those agents reach out when
they are in the top twenty five, they're undefeated, They're like, hey,
where are we at?
Speaker 3: Can we get an extension in place? Can we get this?
Can we get that?
Speaker 1: And they begin those discussions. So I would be surprised
if this had been happening for the last month. And
I don't think Kilanie was the number one target for
Penn State or or any of these other schools that
could have reached out to him, but he.
Speaker 3: Was definitely on the short list. He was definitely on
the short list.
Speaker 1: So that story then tells me that they have already
a plan in place, either to retain Jay Hill as
the next head coach, because if you don't get Jay Hill,
who do you go out and get. If Kilanie were
to leave to Penn State, who do you hire as
your next head Coach's? Yeah, I mean, look, you're gonna
start saying you're gonna have up and comers. You're gonna
have guys like Kelly Papinga, You're gonna have Jason Beck.
Speaker 3: You know, you may want to delvate if you want
to really swing.
Speaker 1: Big, if you really wanted to knock it out of
the park and make everyone a believer, what are you
gonna go do. You're gonna go pay whatever it takes
to get Kellen Moore. Right, You're gonna go get Kellen Moore,
and and that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna bring
him in from the National Football League and pay him
just like you did Kevin Young, whatever it takes to
get him to Provo. Right now, Kellen more salaries what
five to seven and a half million dollars? Okay, So
you know, looking at college football, guys, if James Franklin
was making eight point five million dollars and you really
wanted to go hit a home run because Kalani, you know,
just felt like he wasn't being taken care of.
Speaker 3: They don't see a long term vision of Kalooni being
the I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: The like, if you're willing to pay that much to
go get Kellen Moore or you know some some some
higher level guy that has a better resume than Jay
Hill does, right, then why wouldn't you pay Killan. He's
already there and has already executed at such a high
level at b YU, and he fits the culture. He's
he's a former BYU cougar, and he aligns with the missions,
the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday States Mission, the
institutional mission at BYU. He just gave a phenomenal devotional
this year, which was to me one of the most
impactful devotionals that I've ever heard at BYU.
Speaker 3: So like, all, why would you go out and do
that when you have Killane.
Speaker 1: So like, from a from a budget standpoint, if you
believe that you can continue, you could pay Jay Hill
or anybody else that says Jason Beck or Kelly Pepinga
or you want to go out and and and I
mean who's available right now from an LDS coaching standpoint,
that's a coordinator. You're gonna get Bronco Menhole's making two
million at Utah State bringing back No, No, they're not
gonna do that. No, Like I wouldn't think it. I
don't think it would be a bad higher. Bronco med
is a phenomenal coach. Loqud what he's done at Utah
State in one year, liqu what he did at in
New Mexico in one year, lik what he did at Virginia,
and he probably wants to stay in the state. But
it's very possible that Jay Hill would be the guy
for BYU. Then what does Jay do Well, He's gonna
try to retain some of his staff. He's gonna get
aggressive there. He's gonna compete then with Kilani. As Kilani
goes to Penn State, Kilani's gonna bring He's gonna try
to bring his staff that he's built, There's no doubt
about it. Then it gets very competitive. He gets extremely competitive.
Kilanie's press conference tells me work, I'm here to coach
the big twelve championship game. Does that change this week
if Pete thammle Brett McMurphy college football insiders get the
official word from their Penn State sources, because I don't
think they're gonna get them from BYU that Colonia Satalki
is the next head coach at Penn State. That's where
it gets a little bit intriguing, right, look at what
Lane Kiffin did. Lane Kiffin wanted his cake and to
eat it too. He signed the deal with LSU and said,
hook I want to still coach at ele Miss. I
want to go through the College Football Playoff, not going
to happen. The ad made the right choice, etc. Judging
that there's no official deal in place.
Speaker 3: At Penn State.
Speaker 1: And there's just kind of rumors in some sub substance
that the conversations are having by multiple sources that I've
been able to confirm with. He could want to just
coach this week and try to win a championship, and
but would Penn.
Speaker 3: State allow him to coach at the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 5: But here's here's the best part about this, though, Kiwani
has all of the leverage because if they don't get Kialani,
who are they gonna go out and get everybody else
has already been signed for the most part.
Speaker 3: As far as guys who we're talking about saying Penn
State doesn't like, right, who else do they have?
Speaker 5: They don't have any leverage to say no, Kalani, you
need to give us a decision right now, because Kilani
can say, okay, cool, who else are you gonna hire?
Because John Sumral just took a job, laying Kifvin just
took a job, and all these other guys that you wanted,
Matt Ruhlkertz, Signetti, they all signed extensions.
Speaker 3: So who else are you gonna go get? That's not me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Son de Ball has been also listed as a as
a favorite right now on Calshi. This is a kind
of a market betting platform where like the market can
bet on who the next head coach is gonna be,
you can bet on anything.
Speaker 3: So how valid is it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: The the numbers the chances skyrocketed about seventy five percent,
So it's it's gone up since you know, the last
couple of days.
Speaker 3: But those are the two stories that I've heard, So
take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Like I want to believe that they're gonna run it
up the food chain, and that Brian is all in
on Kilane as the figurehead of this of this school,
and that you're able to retain the coaching staff as is,
which they're They're a phenomenal football team. They are the pure, unadulterated,
complimentary football team that is overachieving per the expectations of
their recruiting rankings, over achieving per their expectations win loss
over the last two seasons.
Speaker 3: And furthermore, no one even wants.
Speaker 1: Them to the college Football Playoff because they don't pass
their subjective eye test, even though eleven and one there's like, ah,
it's a nice little program. Still, it's a nice little program,
but not a college football Playoff type of program.
Speaker 3: Not yet.
Speaker 1: They'd have to beat Texas Tech to do it. So, Ronald,
I know you have something to say. Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, not just my thoughts.
Speaker 6: I agree with what you guys are all saying, especially
the biggest part, Ben, Why would you go get Kellen
Moore if.
Speaker 3: You you can just keep Killani. That's not what I
think it is.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I do think this though.
Speaker 6: All three sports put this out an hour ago. Uh,
Tennessee's head coach, Josh Hoople tails Chris flow of on three.
He's not a candidate for the Penn State. Penn State job,
he says, I wouldn't want low expectations. That's part of
why I want to be here. Will one big Now,
So Tennessee's coach is also out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just heipel a great coach, great offensive mind. He's uh,
he's not field and Andy calls from Penn State. I
believe he played at Tennessee.
Speaker 5: If well, I guess that doesn't really mean anything because
I guess so did Killani. But he is a Tennessee
guy through and through and they did just get boat
raced by Vanderbilt the other day. So, but that is
interesting because that probably would be the only other guy
who you might say is in Kilanie's class to take
that job. And if he said he's not involved in it,
then really, how short is that list? So I want
to believe the optimistic story is what I'm getting at that.
Brian Santiago, Shane Reaves, and Keith Forking met with Klane
on Sunday and said, look, what is it that you
need in order for us to come to an accord
of of an extension pay raise, coaching pay raise, nil.
Investment that matches, okay, is congruent with what BAU Basketball
has ultimately invested staffing, right look at look at your
basketball has a an NBA staff For the love of
all that's holy, they have every nook and granny filled
with talent at every single position, not only in the
coaching staff, the support staff, but on the basketball roster
through nil. Is it fair for Kilani to ask that
same investment to the team, the organization, the sport that
runs the ship from a pro often and lost revenue
standpoint in the athletic department.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he's proven it.
Speaker 1: The question is, do those executives, those decision makers believe
that Kolani is the guy to lead BYU for the
next five ten years or if it's somebody else, do
they believe it's Jay Hill that needs to be that guy?
Speaker 3: Right? Do they believe it's somebody else? Right now?
Speaker 1: That list is short of individuals that you can hire
as the next head coach at YU that align with
probably Brian Santiago. Look at Brian Santiago's personality, where his
relationships reside and who does.
Speaker 3: He align with? You know what I mean, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You come to a pretty ready conclusion that Ja would
be the guy. Now, could Kolani, with his robust resources, say, Jay,
come with me to State?
Speaker 3: Please? No, come to me with to Penn State and
I'll make you.
Speaker 1: By the way, the defense coordinator of Penn State, I
believe this year was the highest paid assistant coach in
college football.
Speaker 3: Ben, That scares me.
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I'm jumping this.
Speaker 3: Okay, fact check me on this.
Speaker 1: I believe they're DC who came over from Ohio State
was the highest paid assistant coach in college football.
Speaker 3: This hit last year. Now did he do well?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Uh? And so he could be on the outs, right,
Jim Knowles? Yeah? How much? Three million year deal?
Speaker 5: Average three point one million dollars per season paid assistant.
Speaker 3: Coach in college football. So let's say, yeah, well, and
that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if he's the head coach at b YU,
if j Hills the head coach at b YU, let's
say it's four million to be the head coach.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be able to match that? You're gonna
be able to match you know, four years or I
mean three four year deal at four million? Five?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like five year deal at
four to five million, if you're gonna are you gonna
match that? No, Like that's where you can't get you
can't stay competitive. If it's three million, if that's what
Byu is paying Killani, which I don't think. I think
it's more than three million. I think it's more than
three million because I think it would be completely and
utterly disrespectful to be paying Kialani three million when you're
paying Kevin Young for the last two years four point
three plus. Yeah, So I think there has to be
some sort of like equivalency there. I don't think they
would have disrespected him like that.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And we have confirmed reports from from Matt Norlander and
others that it was the initial deal was four point
three million.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: I guess my conclusion at all this is, Look, I
think no matter what BYU's gonna be Okay, I really
do believe that.
Speaker 3: I think Byu there was a.
Speaker 1: There was an idea germinated that I heard time and
time again during the Bronco Man in Hall era.
Speaker 3: And this is in regards to football.
Speaker 1: Remember when Tom Holmer became a d he went out
and tried to get Kyle Witting him. Kywitting has said,
no one ended up at the University of Utah. Were
there other candidates possibly, but Broncoman and I'll end up
getting the head coaching job as a unproven head coach.
And then he took Bway you to bawligibility and then
one four had had four consecutive double digit win seasons,
and then after that during independence, by You averaged still
I think eight wins a season. The idea was planted
and germinated that because of BYU's brand, because BYU attracts
a certain level of athlete and they come from goodly
homes with goodly parents who love the Lord more often
than not. Right that you will continue to win and
overachieve versus your recruiting ranking. That is also honestly, it's
it's negatively influenced by missions by the way, So when
you when you commit to be you get a little downgrade.
Speaker 3: We've seen that.
Speaker 1: There's an objective data on that, but you know, you
you process that and you evaluate that and you're like, okay,
like what is the future going to be like at
BYU with particular coaches, with particular staff, and right now,
I would say, even though you hate to do it,
there are those within kugarnation donor base that are pitting
Kilani and Jay against each other.
Speaker 3: That's the nature of it.
Speaker 1: They think that the future of BYU will be led
by j Hill rather than Kilanie. Right, two different managerial
leadership styles, two different types which like so Tom Homer
was a leavel guy, Killane wants to be the Polynesian level.
Tom Holmo thought that Kilani was the guy to lead
BYU's football program. Why he saw much of what made
BYU great from nineteen seventy two to two thousand in
Killannie in that influence from Lavelle, A visionary, a master delegator,
that's what Kialani is. And a good recruiter, a phenomenal
recruiter when he's got boots on the ground. Nobody competes
with Kilani, is Brian? Is that Brian Santiago's way of
leadership as a basketball guy going forward or does he
see more alignment, okay with with Jay Hill in his
form of leadership in culture building?
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? It's all about who you align
with and what the rhetoric will be.
Speaker 1: And this is what's gonna be. You know, this is
what's gonna stink about it. All the rhetoric from BYU
as an institution in a in a over like in
a a in a in a kind of underli kind
of manner. What it's gonna be is this Kalani left
for the money, and I don't think that that's accurate whatsoever.
Kialanie left and he was never loyal, He was never loyal,
strong and true right, he left because he wanted that
that ten million dollars salary. Like, I don't know if
that's accurate. It's because it's never been about the money
with Kilanie. It's never been about the amount of money.
To me, what comes into play is when you compare
contrast basketball and football, and and there's a comp it's
lopsided towards basketball, and you're over here a football guy
like wait, Like, if the head coach for men's basketball
once again is making five million dollars, what should the
head coach for BA football be making. Keep in mind,
the football coach has been a part of BYU basically
for twenty two years of his life, and Kevin Young.
Speaker 3: Does not have that kind of ten year at BYU.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying it's like, so, what's the messaging
gonna be from Koloney's camp, what's the messager gonna be
from BYU's institutional camp. And what many people will say
is like, you're gonna there's gonna be a bifurcation. There's
gonna be those that are like, yes, Jay Hills our guy.
They're gonna give a lot of credit to Jay Hill
for what's occurred over the last two years in the
Big Twelve. Well, I get it, Like, Jay Hill's a
phenomenal coach. He also has a phenomenal staff under him.
Kelly papinga phenomenals special teams coordinator, Okay, Justinetta defensive coordinating experience.
Chad k phenomenal coach that's been in the industry for
twenty five years. Gary Anderson is a senior analyst on
the defensive staff. Guys like, there's a robust staff. You
gotta give credit to everybody that's involved in that. A
Rod has a top twenty five offense this year per
ESPNSP plus. So I'm intrigued what happens if Satake does leave? Man,
I can't believe we're eve been talking about.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 3: Just pains me because Kilani is BYU. Yeah, Kilani is BYU.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking with Scott Frost in the post game
and he's going out of his way to discuss who
Kilani is. And he's one of the good guys in
the business, and we're not willing to, in my opinion,
probably pay a fairer market rate for a resume over
the last six.
Speaker 3: Years, Like there's a there's an issue there, Like I'm like.
Speaker 1: Wait, Like Dion Sanders Prime is going out of his
way in press conferences to discuss how much he loves
Kialani Satake. I mean, I can go down the list
of every single coach. It reminds you of Lavell. Everyone
would go out of their way to discuss how influential
and how pivotal and how how enriching the relationship with
Level was to the point where coaches and media were
voting for BYU to be national champions because of a
number of factors, but because there is a certain amount
of anecdotal, relational positive fruits from those interactions with Level
over the years, and Killone's been building that over the
years over his ten year tenure, ten year tenure at BYU.
Speaker 3: I just have one bomb to drop everyone before we
go to break Heay, what do we got?
Speaker 5: And this is in breaking news, but this is just
a little bit of a thought that everyone needs to
keep in mind. You retweeted this Bretman Murphy said, Hey,
if all miss loses their head coach, what will Vegas
do to Byu? And now I'm coming here and I'm saying, Hey,
if UYU loses Penn State, how much will the committee
hold that against a BYU team that they already don't
want to give any credence to.
Speaker 3: There you go.
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