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<v Speaker 1>It's nice with Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you easy Boston Radio. All right, now we

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<v Speaker 2>have all that figured out. Everything's fine. The grim Wins

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<v Speaker 2>are giving Rob a little bit of a hard time tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, Rob, don't worry. You'll win. You'll win eventually. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened while I was away? I was away for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days last week and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days this week. Took the holiday of Monday and built

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a mini getaway vacation, which I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very happy to do, and again want to thank Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Tangway and Morgan White for sitting in for me. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course, what I did miss was some of the

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<v Speaker 2>excitement surrounding the inauguration, and as a result, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up with that with all of you this evening,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a really interesting day from a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different perspectives, not the least of which was We've

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<v Speaker 2>had a change of administrations which are dramatic, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that, as I've said, the last four years of

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration was a failure. It was a failure

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<v Speaker 2>on a number of levels. The former president said that

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<v Speaker 2>he would unite the country. He didn't he did incredible

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<v Speaker 2>damage to the Democratic Party, and I think the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>Party is going to take some time to recover. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the pardons that Joe Biden issued to individuals

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<v Speaker 2>who said they had done nothing wrong. I realized that

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<v Speaker 2>the pardons were intended to be prophylactic, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that I would have wanted a pardon if I

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<v Speaker 2>was doctor Fauci, or if I was General Miley, or

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<v Speaker 2>if I was even a member of the Biden family,

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<v Speaker 2>because because once you've been given a pardon, you have

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<v Speaker 2>lost your right, at least in front of Congress, to

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<v Speaker 2>your Fifth Amendment rights to refuse to answer questions. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that Biden did his family a favor.

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<v Speaker 2>He had pardoned his son. Biden did not pardon himself,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I could read, and if I mean correct

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<v Speaker 2>on that, I always stand to be corrected. But he

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<v Speaker 2>did pardon relatives. He didn't pardon Jill Biden, his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>who did nothing but stand by him politically loyally, And

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<v Speaker 2>some suggest that that is what might have inspired Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump to issue the pardons to everyone who, as Trump

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<v Speaker 2>referred to them as the j six hostages, or President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump referred to as the j six hostages. I must

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<v Speaker 2>tell you I've labeled this hour the Executive President Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>executive pardons, the good, the bad, and the questionable, and

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<v Speaker 2>the questionable Here certainly is the pardon of everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>was involved in January sixth. Now, were there some people

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<v Speaker 2>who were charged in January sixth of the fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>who might have been there, didn't realize what was going on,

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<v Speaker 2>saw that there were doors were opened, they were not

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<v Speaker 2>guarded by Capitol police officers, and decided to walk in

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<v Speaker 2>and see what's going on shore. However, there should not

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<v Speaker 2>have been pardons for those who who engaged in violence

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<v Speaker 2>against police officers, who hit them with baseball bats, who

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<v Speaker 2>struck them with head over the heads with two by

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<v Speaker 2>fours or with picket signs, who smashed windows, broke down doors,

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<v Speaker 2>invaded you know, sacred spaces to which they had no

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<v Speaker 2>right to invade, you know, sat in people's desks, which

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<v Speaker 2>they had no right to do. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>President has a lot of political capital to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But I think that's a waste of political capital.

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<v Speaker 2>As late as last week, Vice President Vance had said

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<v Speaker 2>there should not be pardons for individuals who engaged in

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of violence against police officers, and why why

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<v Speaker 2>he would pardon the head of the Proud Boys or

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<v Speaker 2>the You know, these should all be looked at very

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<v Speaker 2>carefully on a case by case basis. He had plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of time to look at these on a case by

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<v Speaker 2>case basis, but he was intent. He was intent on

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. And now he has been having his conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with reporters and he does this. He does this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of well what about the other side, and well, here's

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<v Speaker 2>here's one. I've got a couple of sound bites here

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm going to play, which is very typical of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. But I just think this is a huge

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<v Speaker 2>mistake on his part. This is like leading in the

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<v Speaker 2>football game twenty one to nothing and unnecessarily fumbling. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an unforced error, in my opinion, and it will

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<v Speaker 2>of these individuals might engage and might feel liberated and

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<v Speaker 2>engage in other activities. So let me go to cut one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a reporter asking him about a specific pardon

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<v Speaker 2>that I suspect the president really doesn't know too much about.

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<v Speaker 2>But he immediately goes to what's going on in other cities.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number one. This is this is classic

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, all of those Rodriguez, he drove a stun

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<v Speaker 2>was adopted by the mom that day. He later confessed

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<v Speaker 2>on the video of the FBI and pleaded guilty for

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<v Speaker 2>his crimes. Why does he deserve.

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<v Speaker 3>A part Well, I don't know, is it a parton

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<v Speaker 3>because we're looking at commutes and we're looking at pardons.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, we'll take a look at everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can say this, murderers today are not even charged.

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<v Speaker 3>You have murderers that aren't charged all over you. Take

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<v Speaker 3>a look at what's gone on in Philadelphia, take a look,

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<v Speaker 3>go what's gone off in LA where people murder people

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<v Speaker 3>years in prison, and they've served them viciously. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>disgusting prison. It's been horrible, it's in humane. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>a terrible, terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but again, it's not responsive to the question. Cut

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<v Speaker 2>one A is also not responsive to the question. He continues,

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<v Speaker 2>I also say this.

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<v Speaker 3>You go to Portland where they did, where they wrapped

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<v Speaker 3>police offices, shot police offices. Nothing happened to anybody. You

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<v Speaker 3>go to Seattle where they took over a big chunk

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<v Speaker 3>people died way a minute, and you go also take

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<v Speaker 3>a look at Minneapolis, because I was there and I

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<v Speaker 3>watched it. If I didn't bring in the National Guard,

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<v Speaker 3>that city wouldn't even exist today.

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<v Speaker 2>People were killed and nobody went to jail.

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<v Speaker 3>So these people have already served a long period of time,

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<v Speaker 3>and I made a decision to give a pardon. Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a lot of criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>These are criminals that he gave a pardon to, and

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<v Speaker 3>you should be asking that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the people who the president pardoned are also criminals

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<v Speaker 2>who happened to have attacked police officers at the Capitol.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I don't know who who he consults with. This

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<v Speaker 2>is one more cut rob of him talking about the pardons,

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<v Speaker 2>cut twenty two, so.

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<v Speaker 4>This is January sixth. These are the hostages, approximately fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>hundred for a pardon, full partner, full.

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<v Speaker 2>Pardon.

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<v Speaker 4>We have about six commutations in there when we're doing

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<v Speaker 4>further research. Nice to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a big one.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything you want to explain about this. We hope they

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<v Speaker 4>get them.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope they come out tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankly, if you're expecting it, approximately fifteen hundred people, six

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<v Speaker 4>six commutations.

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<v Speaker 2>Were there any pass you didn't talk or part of people.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll look at different things, but the commutations would be

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<v Speaker 4>the ones that will take a look and maybe it'll

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<v Speaker 4>stay that way or it'll go to in the faux part.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I don't know how else I could say it

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<v Speaker 2>anymore clearly that to essentially refer to these folks as hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it's legally incorrect. People. The hostages that we have

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<v Speaker 2>most recently known on the innocent Israeli civilians who were

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<v Speaker 2>taken captive for four hundred and seventy days and many

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<v Speaker 2>of whom were killed while in captivity by Hamas. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that President Trump has done the wrong thing here.

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<v Speaker 2>He obviously wanted to do it. I'll be interesting with JD.

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<v Speaker 2>Vance has to say. Vance said a week ago the

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<v Speaker 2>people who engaged in violence, and President Trump has in

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<v Speaker 2>the past said, matter of fact, in the wake of

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, when he was feeling the heat, he said

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<v Speaker 2>there should be no partners for people who attacked police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an easy It's an easy distinction to make if

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<v Speaker 2>there were people there protesting, and even if they simply

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<v Speaker 2>walked into the building when the building became unattended, you

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<v Speaker 2>could pardon people of that they obviously broke the law

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<v Speaker 2>by walking into a place that had been attended to

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<v Speaker 2>by police officers, and who are who were forced to

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<v Speaker 2>retreat again, it undercuts it's Donald Trump has the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to to take this great opportunity that he has. There

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<v Speaker 2>are many of the executive orders that he signed which

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<v Speaker 2>I think will be helpful, particularly dealing with border security,

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<v Speaker 2>amongst others. But to pardon people who committed attacks on

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<v Speaker 2>police officers, it goes against everything that you would hope

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<v Speaker 2>that any president of the United State would stand with,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States would stand for. So the only lines

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<v Speaker 2>that are open right now if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>through a six one seven nine. I think that Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has been given I don't know that he's been

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<v Speaker 2>given a mandate, because it wasn't what I would consider

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<v Speaker 2>to be a mandate election, but he's been given an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to a second opportunity to leave the country in

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<v Speaker 2>the direction that he thinks the country should be led.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that a large number of people in

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<v Speaker 2>this country, even people who didn't vote for him, are

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<v Speaker 2>willing to give him a chance. But if he continues

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<v Speaker 2>to make what I would consider to be unforced errors,

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<v Speaker 2>he will blow that opportunity a second time. The lines

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<v Speaker 2>are full. My name's Dan Ray, this is Nightside. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>have at it. If I have disappointed you, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I owe you the truth as I see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>owe you what I believe, and that is what I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on nights out after this. Now back to Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>I' WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's focus on whatever you want to focus on.

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<v Speaker 2>I have chosen to what I want to focus on,

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<v Speaker 2>but you are the callers. Tell us what you like,

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<v Speaker 2>what you don't like. And by the way, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Joe Biden gave pardons to I don't know was

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<v Speaker 2>it two thousand criminals, including Leonard Peltier, who killed two

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<v Speaker 2>FBI agents was convicted of killing two FBI agents in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies drug dealers. That was wrong. Doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>what Donald Trump did was right, because two wrongs don't

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<v Speaker 2>make a right. That's what your mother told you and

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<v Speaker 2>your mother was right. Let's go to Doreen and Chelsea. Hey, Doreen, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to night Side.

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<v Speaker 5>Happy new year, Dan, longtime no.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk save to you. Dorian. Great to hear your voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy New Year to you as well. What's your thought

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<v Speaker 2>on the Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 6>My thought on is the state of Massachusetts should in debt,

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<v Speaker 6>capital punishment. I'm very high on it. Get the riff

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<v Speaker 6>raff out of the jails and prisons and drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, well that's okay, but that's not our topic tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh and and I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think no I seen I've seen Donald Trump get sworn in,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was a sad day for Biden, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, they both get patterns on both sides.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't kill a cop and get away.

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<v Speaker 6>With it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>I got at.

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<v Speaker 5>What with uh retirement.

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<v Speaker 6>My brother was a correctional office in the state of Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 5>It's all immigration too, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're weaving some points together here, I do

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<v Speaker 2>get it. So what did you think about Trump's pardon

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<v Speaker 2>of the J six inmates convicts?

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<v Speaker 8>No, it was wrong when I seen that American flag.

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<v Speaker 8>I was in the hospital dying of COVID pneumonia and melrose,

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<v Speaker 8>and I've seen the flag.

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<v Speaker 7>When you do that to a flag in.

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<v Speaker 6>States flag. You know what I mean? That's bad. Through

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<v Speaker 6>the Capitol window and killing cops.

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<v Speaker 6>Trump did a bad thing on that.

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<v Speaker 9>I know he will.

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<v Speaker 2>Certain people who might have been open to him are

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<v Speaker 2>going to say, here we go again, here we go again,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 6>People cops in all the cities people.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people voted for the commutations or pardons

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Thanks for getting us going here, and come

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<v Speaker 2>on back more often. Okay, don't be a stranger.

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<v Speaker 9>I will all have a great kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, good life. Let me go next to Mark and Cambridge. Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>you were next on nightside. Go right ahead, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. You cut out on me. There Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead, I missed what you had to say.

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<v Speaker 10>All right, I'm gonna make it short and simple. He

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<v Speaker 10>just figured he'd you know, if he just commentated a

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<v Speaker 10>few and not the others, I wouldn't be fair. So

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<v Speaker 10>he just did everybody, all fifteen hundred of them. On

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<v Speaker 10>the other hand, me personally, he assault on a police officer,

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<v Speaker 10>and that should be you know, I mean excluded in

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but but all fifteen hundred had not assaulted police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>There were many that had assaulted police officers. And I

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<v Speaker 2>those who maybe in the exuberance of the riot, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ventured into the into the capitol building. Uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>they were charged with trespassing and things like that. Do

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<v Speaker 10>But right, I wasn't talking about I was talking about

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<v Speaker 10>the ones that assaulted police officers. They should be you know,

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<v Speaker 10>they should should have been excluded in my opinion, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>the ones that it did assault police officers, they should

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they should have served, they should have served their sentences.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that I think this was a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>that he made. It's an unforced error. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that in his enthusiasm for his return to the White House,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that this will be one opportunity for

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<v Speaker 2>what people are going to start to say, right.

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<v Speaker 10>I understand, but like I said, dog, you know what

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<v Speaker 10>I mean. But you know, I mean like I said

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<v Speaker 10>at the beginning, then that you know, he just figured

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<v Speaker 10>he do everybody if well, well why not the other

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<v Speaker 10>and the other? I'm assuming that what was going through

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<v Speaker 10>his mind everybody gets.

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<v Speaker 1>Parts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 10>I agree with you, but I'm saying he was going

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<v Speaker 10>through his mind though. Thank you, Dan, I'll have a

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<v Speaker 10>great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. Thanks Mark, talk to you soon. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to next up is John in Dorchester. John, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next on Nightsack go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Happy and healthy process six.

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<v Speaker 2>Brought back to you go right a fella.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was, it was. It was a funky day.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation day. Michael the King would have. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>shame and I think you said not just the police officers,

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<v Speaker 1>the other people as a woman that got back there. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you'll break it up at me, John, Why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you do this, Rob, Why don't you see if

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<v Speaker 2>you can improve his line and we'll take the newscast

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<v Speaker 2>here and we'll try to pick John up on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Okay, tell John, we'll is. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>had problems with his line here six one seven two

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<v Speaker 2>five four ten thirty. That is the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>line open right now, six one seven, four ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on night Side, right after the news at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 11>Night Side, Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, go back to John and Chester. John, hopefully we

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<v Speaker 2>got your signal cleared up.

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic go ahead, Hey day, I'm back. Yeah. So, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the times on both sides of the aisle there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy and at the end of the day, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you just you know, it's one tad in

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<v Speaker 1>Biden would the one that killed two at the eye

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<v Speaker 1>officers and him with the you know, like you said

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<v Speaker 1>that the oak Ridge Boy or whatever. Not the oak

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<v Speaker 1>Ridge Boys, but you know what I mean, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>Proudly so called proud boys. Yeah I would. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the Oakridge Boys pretty good, pretty good singers, but you

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<v Speaker 2>are the Proud Boys. I mean the guy looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a thug. I mean, he acts like a thug.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, I think the best thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Green would proud to be an American Billy Ray Cyrus.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he had if somebody spiked his

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<v Speaker 1>holywater or something, but that was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I don't know. And yeah, as

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<v Speaker 2>they say, we can leave the musicians out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it was a mistake that he made

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<v Speaker 2>and that that he he just he gets he digs

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<v Speaker 2>his heels in and that's it. And maybe maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>an asset, but certainly, in this instance, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>I concur with you. I can cruse.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean, and and

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<v Speaker 2>it also undercuts he could turn around and say to Biden, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing here with all of these pardons

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<v Speaker 2>for people who haven't been accused of anything. He's basically

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<v Speaker 2>he undercut his own his own position. Hey, John, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you much, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no right. Thanks, well you got it, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much.

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<v Speaker 2>By bye. Let me go next to Larry Down and Dennisport.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry on the Cape, Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Larry Good evening, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, sir. What's your take on all of this?

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<v Speaker 9>First question is did you get rid of your coffee yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? It's kind of hanging on. I just think it's Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's people said to me, oh, you'll have it for

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<v Speaker 2>a month, and they're getting pretty close. It's getting pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting better, but it hasn't disappeared as yet.

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<v Speaker 9>So okay, well it's been three and a half years

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<v Speaker 9>since by vaccine injury. I'm trying to get rid of

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<v Speaker 9>my coughs. So I was very upset when past president

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<v Speaker 9>Biden pardoned doctor Fouci. That one really got to make.

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<v Speaker 9>But here's my question. We don't vote for a dictator,

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<v Speaker 9>and when all of these pardons are given by both sides,

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<v Speaker 9>whether it's Biden or Trump, they act like a dictator.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd like to start a petition, and this might be

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<v Speaker 9>a great subject for another night. I think it's too

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<v Speaker 9>much power for one person. I think if the president

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<v Speaker 9>wants to issue a pardon, he presents it to Congress.

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<v Speaker 9>This is who I want to pardon, this person, this person.

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<v Speaker 9>Congress says yes to this one, no to this one.

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<v Speaker 9>What do you think of that idea?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately, you'd have to change the constitution because the

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<v Speaker 2>to do this.

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<v Speaker 9>So changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, it's not easy to change the constitution. You

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<v Speaker 2>gotta first of all, get it through You got to

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<v Speaker 2>get it through Congress. Then you got to get it

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<v Speaker 2>to the states, and you got to get three quarters

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<v Speaker 2>this point to approve it. And as they found with

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<v Speaker 2>the Equal Rights Amendment, it failed because it was only

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<v Speaker 2>would be different. I mean, it's interesting, you could change

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<v Speaker 9>I'll rephrase the question, I'll rephrase the question. Then, do

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<v Speaker 9>you think that is too much power for the president

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<v Speaker 9>having these pardons.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they should be used more selectively. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the partner of a governor or the pardon of

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<v Speaker 2>a president should be used selectively. And I read some

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<v Speaker 2>stats the other day that I think that President Bush

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<v Speaker 2>might have pardoned. I don't know one hundred and fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picking the numbers, and President Obama a Republican and

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<v Speaker 2>a Democrat, and Clinton they were like in the low

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<v Speaker 2>one hundreds, one hundred and forty, one hundred and fifty whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mightey be able to find the number as we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>But Biden broke all records. You know, it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was tough not to get a pardon. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be the exception, and I would be the exception. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they were. They were giving him out like

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<v Speaker 2>they were giving out Hoodsie cups on the fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just says, wait a second, you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the way it's supposed to be. Again, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at pardons here, what do we have. Franklin Roosevelt led

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<v Speaker 2>the league. He gave out three thirty six hundred pardons.

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<v Speaker 2>Woodrow Wilson gave out a lot twenty four hundred, Harry

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<v Speaker 2>Truman two thousand. I don't know the specifics on those,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you get to more recent presidents Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>was four fifty nine. He was fairly, fairly generous. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Jefferson was a one hundred and nineteen. You know

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden is now, I mean he like leads the league.

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<v Speaker 2>William Henry Harrison gave out none, George Washington sixteen, John

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<v Speaker 2>Adams twenty one. So when the Constitution first was written,

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<v Speaker 2>they were given out in a limited fashion. George Herbert

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<v Speaker 2>Walker Poschel gave out seventy seven pardons, Ronald Reagan gave

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<v Speaker 2>out four hundred and six. But Biden went off the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>And here you have Trump. It's like three days into

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<v Speaker 2>his presidency and he's already given out like fifteen hundred pardons.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, right exactly, I'll finish. I'll end it with this.

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<v Speaker 9>I think I'm hoping the country doesn't have well, for

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<v Speaker 9>lack of a better term, buyers remorse with Trump because

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<v Speaker 9>I feel most people voted for his policies, not his personality,

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<v Speaker 9>But his personality got in the way in the first day.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will also tell you that, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump was elected by people who voted against Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>just as Joe Biden. In this country, we tend to

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<v Speaker 2>elect the presidents who by voting against you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump won, he beat Hillary Clinton. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>he beat Hillary Clinton was she was very unpopular. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Trump and turned four years later was very unpopular,

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<v Speaker 2>and they elected Joe Biden, who ran a campaign from

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<v Speaker 2>his basement. And then four years later, people had enough

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<v Speaker 2>of Biden. They were done with Biden, they were done

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<v Speaker 2>with everything that was involved in the in the in

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<v Speaker 2>his four years in office, and they gave Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>a second chance for the sake of the nation. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that I hope that Donald Trump is successful, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was appalled to think that these individuals who attacked

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<v Speaker 2>police officers who were simple doing their job. Capitol police officers,

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing their job, and they suffered injuries and in

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<v Speaker 2>some cases, you know, died under mysterious circumstances. The one

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<v Speaker 2>guy who died a couple of days later, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>had a heart attack, but apparently he was subjected to

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<v Speaker 2>bear spray. I mean, you know, again, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go into all the different cases, but if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take an American flag and smash windows and

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<v Speaker 2>attack a police officer with two by fours or baseball bats,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get a pardon period, do your time, do

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<v Speaker 2>the crime, do your time. Thanks Dennis, Thanks Larry, Bye

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<v Speaker 2>bye Larry from Dennis Bourt. Let me keep rolling here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do I am next? Let me get in Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>in Plymouth? Kevin, you are next on nightside. You've waited

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two minutes. Go ahead, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Dan, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 12>First time calling here?

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<v Speaker 2>First time caller. Well, we're going to have you with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy New Year, making a new Year's resolute that it

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<v Speaker 2>will not be your last time. Go ahead, Plymouth, Go ahead, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 12>You know what I think the pod is that Trump

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<v Speaker 12>gave to the J sixes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 12>I can't agree with it. Obviously, assault on a police

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<v Speaker 12>officer is not right.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't know what the maximum I'm curious to see

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<v Speaker 13>what the maximum penalty is for that I know in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it's two and a half years and up

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<v Speaker 12>to a five thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>All fine, Oh no, no, I think let me just

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<v Speaker 2>say this. I do not know offhand because I've never

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<v Speaker 2>had experience with assault and a police officer, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it depends upon the sort of assault. And you

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<v Speaker 2>can have an assault, you can have aggravated assault, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have assault in battery. There's different levels to take

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<v Speaker 2>a shot at a police officer and only serve two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half years. I think that's in I think

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<v Speaker 2>that these guys, some of these guys had been in

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<v Speaker 2>now for three or four years, and I think some

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<v Speaker 2>of their sentences could be up to ten years because

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about assaulting a Capitol police officer on the

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<v Speaker 2>grounds of the US Congress, the Capitol building while they're

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<v Speaker 2>simply trying to do their job on the day in

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<v Speaker 2>which a presidential election was being ratified. I mean, all

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<v Speaker 2>of those circumstances could add to the length of sentence

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<v Speaker 2>that these people face. But look, you saw the video.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw people smashing windows, you saw people hitting police

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<v Speaker 2>officers with baseball bats. That's an assault with a dangerous weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more than an assault. That's assault with a dangerous weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>That gets it up into serious felony category.

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<v Speaker 14>Unacceptable, There's no doubt about it's unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 11>I did see video of the actually the police officers

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<v Speaker 11>throwing stunt grenades into the crowd, and I know, yeah

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<v Speaker 11>that it probably didn't help the situation, but it was.

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<v Speaker 12>It was it turned into a major.

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<v Speaker 7>Riot, and uh, you know, it just it was out

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<v Speaker 7>of hand right from the stots.

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<v Speaker 12>So but you know what, I think we got to

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<v Speaker 12>move past it. I don't think he can. I know,

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<v Speaker 12>I know those people made mistakes, and can Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 12>make a mistake every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know if he's allowed to.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, he seems to be well not not not

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<v Speaker 10>at this level.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to say, oh, he shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>rename the Gulf of Mexico, I happen to agree name

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<v Speaker 2>rename it the Gulf of America. Nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all for that. Okay. By the way, the Proud

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<v Speaker 2>Boys leader was serving a twenty two year Jay sixth sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was a pretty substantial sentence, Okay. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at an article here out of Newsweek just

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<v Speaker 2>to answer your question. There was a list of the

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<v Speaker 2>people who were serving sentences, and let me just see here,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven months in prison, civil disorder, assaulted the federal officer,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen years in prison. Ethan Nordean, thirty two of Arburn, Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>was sent eighteen years in prison, a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>far right Proud Boys group who's found guilty of multiple felonies,

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<v Speaker 2>including conspiracy to destruct an official proceeding. So yes, some

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<v Speaker 2>of these seventeen years, ten years, fifteen years, fifteen years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>though there's some pretty significant eighty four months seven that's

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<v Speaker 2>would be. That's seven years, six years, fifty one months

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<v Speaker 2>in prison, eighty seven months. There's a lot of long

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<v Speaker 2>sentences here. There's one guy here, Daniel DJ Rodriguez, California,

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<v Speaker 2>since one hundred and fifty one months in prison, assaulting

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<v Speaker 2>an officer with a taser. I mean, you know, guy

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<v Speaker 2>took a taste to a police officer. How much you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give him?

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<v Speaker 12>He's I don't know. It's it's fad, It's no doubt

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<v Speaker 12>about it. It's bad, but I don't know. I know

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<v Speaker 12>the day was. It was a real bad day.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think a bad day because of what these

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<v Speaker 2>people did. Now there's there's someone else here. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>one here. For example, a guy out of Decata, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew J. Webler, sentenced to forty five days in prison

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<v Speaker 2>in order to pay five hundred and ten dollars. He

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<v Speaker 2>played guilty to one count of demonstrating in the capitol.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's someone who walked into the capitol. I could

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<v Speaker 2>see commuting his sentence or giving him a pardon, wiping

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<v Speaker 2>his record clean, because all he got was forty five days.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a big difference between eighteen years. Here's another

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<v Speaker 2>guy out of Kentucky sentence a forty five years is

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of demonstra forty five days incarceration, sixty hours of

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<v Speaker 2>community service for pleading guilty in charge of demonstrating in

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<v Speaker 2>the capitol. I don't have. There's another guy fourteen days.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's quite a quite a range here. You can

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<v Speaker 2>look these up yourself as if you want. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them that are there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them are pretty serious and some which look to me

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<v Speaker 2>to be pretty venial.

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<v Speaker 13>Right right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I don't really

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<v Speaker 13>I don't see them giving a you know, burd of

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<v Speaker 13>sentences out now for eighteen he is, you know what

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<v Speaker 13>I mean.

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<v Speaker 12>So I just seem it seems to be very.

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<v Speaker 14>Politically motivated to be switch. That's that's my take on it.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, those sentences are very hot, I believe, I do.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't believe that those sentences.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, justify what happened that day. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 7>So, I mean, the people that get caught in the mix,

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<v Speaker 7>of course not you know, but it was a bad day.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a bad days. A lot of people that disagreed

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<v Speaker 7>was going on that day obviously.

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<v Speaker 12>Uh, there was a lot of tension and it didn't

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<v Speaker 12>end up good for anybody.

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<v Speaker 7>So but I you know, I'm kind of like totally

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<v Speaker 7>sick of hearing about it. It's time to move on,

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<v Speaker 7>put it behind us, and uh, you know, let's talk

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<v Speaker 7>about Biden's pods.

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<v Speaker 12>Biden's pods were you know, I don't think uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>there was there's a lot to be said about what

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<v Speaker 12>he did. You know, it's almost admitting guilt.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So how much of a sentence? Here's one guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to give you what his sentence was.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy was found guilty of four counts of assaulting

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<v Speaker 2>Metropolitan Police Department officers. So he assaulted four different Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department office. What sort of a sentence would you

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<v Speaker 2>give him if any.

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<v Speaker 1>SEEZ I don't know.

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<v Speaker 12>Four years, year of peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Four years well he got, he got eighty eight months.

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<v Speaker 2>Would your commute his sentence?

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<v Speaker 12>Probably not?

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<v Speaker 11>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, So we agree. We agree again. The people

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<v Speaker 2>who who got caught up in it and were were

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<v Speaker 2>yelling or screaming inside the Capitol. These people who have

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<v Speaker 2>who were given you know, I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty days in prison or forty five days in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Found that's not a problem. But there's the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>doing that getting caught up in the crowd and and

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<v Speaker 2>tate and hitting a police officer with a taser. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I'm saying. Hey, Kevin, I appreciate your call, first

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<v Speaker 2>time calling.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on back soon, Okay, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 10>Have a good night.

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<v Speaker 2>You two gonna come right back. The only lines open

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<v Speaker 2>right now are six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I got Donna, Bill and Joe coming up, and I

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<v Speaker 2>got room for you at six one, seven, nine three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 11>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep going. He're gonna go to Donna

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<v Speaker 2>and Framingham. Donna, appreciate your patience. Next time, Nightsager right ahead, Donna.

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<v Speaker 5>I was about ready to give up, but here I am.

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<v Speaker 2>We take I'm glad you stuck around, but I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, yes, we take him as they come in, Donna,

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<v Speaker 2>no one, no one has held.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I know. Let me just start with a

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<v Speaker 5>real quick thing. The guy that was dressed up like

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<v Speaker 5>the shaman with the horns on his head and all

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<v Speaker 5>that stuff. Remember that guy, we had you to get him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was quite memorable.

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<v Speaker 5>We had to look at his hairy chest all day. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>here's what he just tweeted on X I got a

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<v Speaker 5>pardon baby, Thank you, miss country, God bless America. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so I just wanted to mention that, but then I

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<v Speaker 5>want to get to my own points.

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<v Speaker 2>But I hope, I hope a little bit of what

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<v Speaker 2>you said got bleeped.

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<v Speaker 6>Donna.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember we are still on family Radio.

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<v Speaker 10>Go ahead, I said, mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Is please please. I know you tried to clean it up,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we know in effect what you said.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just reading the tree. Okay. The other point is

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you totally. And the reason why President

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<v Speaker 5>Trump pardon those people, dan is because he backs the

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<v Speaker 5>Blue and left. They're trying to help him. That's why

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<v Speaker 5>he did it. Because they did it to help him.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why he come pardoned them.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 5>Another thing that also came out, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that I think that I don't disagree with your characterization,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's sort of either you back the

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<v Speaker 2>blue or you don't.

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<v Speaker 5>As far as I well, I listen, Dan, I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>my president to succeed, and I'm because I always wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to as in the deced, But after forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Did you

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<v Speaker 5>hear what he said about the Secret Service protection for

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<v Speaker 5>John Bolton?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I was surprised to find out today that

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<v Speaker 2>vice presidents, full of vice presidents only received Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>protection for six months. Now I assume they can be extended.

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<v Speaker 5>But I always thought that John Bolton, John Bolton doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>he doesn't have to have it forever, but right now

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<v Speaker 5>the Iranians are trying to kill him. And when Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 5>our president, was asked about that today, he went on

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<v Speaker 5>a tirade about how he shouldn't have it forever, which

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<v Speaker 5>is true, but the spread is ongoing. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 5>went on for the next three minutes to talk about

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<v Speaker 5>how dumb John Bolton.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, like that has anything to do with right, Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I did hear that again, That there's ovis is the

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<v Speaker 2>personal animus between him and Bolton, which he should step

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<v Speaker 2>aside in that decision if he was smart he would say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>John Bolton will have Secret Service for however long he

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<v Speaker 2>needs it. That his his protection will be determined by uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, whether it's Secret Service or whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI or whomever it is. And I have Well, again,

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<v Speaker 2>he should just say I have no role in that decision.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone from Secret Service thinks Bolton should have protection

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<v Speaker 2>for another one hundred years, fine, Trump should step off

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<v Speaker 2>away from that if he was smart, but he's not.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm glad you came back. I hope you're feeling better.

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<v Speaker 5>And I am so happy to hear that you say

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<v Speaker 5>about how you think this was a really stupid thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, try to convince me, Dan, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>give Donald Trump a chance. I didn't vote for him.

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<v Speaker 5>I reluctantly vote for three hours. I didn't like that either,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, forty eight hours later, a little bit more

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<v Speaker 5>than that. At this point, I'm almost ready to give

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<v Speaker 5>up already.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, you know, everyone's gonna do what they have

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<v Speaker 2>to do in this set of circumstances. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that from his perspective, it was an easy call. Jd

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<v Speaker 2>Vance a week ago said the violent protesters should not

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<v Speaker 2>receive commute. I was a week ago, a week ago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and he puts he puts his allies in

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<v Speaker 2>the uncomfortable position of having to agree with him or

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<v Speaker 2>else contradicting him. It's not a good way to start

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<v Speaker 2>day three of your presidency. Let me put it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We can agree upon that. Thanks don, I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 2>hung on. Thank you, Minch. Talk to you later. By

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<v Speaker 2>all right, if you're on the line, stay there. If

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<v Speaker 2>you not give us a call, six seven two five

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six seven nine thirty. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>I believe. I certainly was hoping that Donald Trump, second

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<v Speaker 2>time around, would be able to handle himself a little differently.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought his speech the other day was tough, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was honest. I didn't have a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of trouble with his speech. But I have trouble

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<v Speaker 2>with pardoning people who have committed violence against the Capitol

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<v Speaker 2>building and more importantly, against the police officers who were

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<v Speaker 2>there to protect members of Congress. Republicans and Democrats alike.

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<v Speaker 2>Join the conversation. Fill the lines up back right after

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<v Speaker 2>the news at eleven