Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you easy Boston Radio. All right, now we
Speaker 2: have all that figured out. Everything's fine. The grim Wins
Speaker 2: are giving Rob a little bit of a hard time tonight.
Speaker 2: It's okay, Rob, don't worry. You'll win. You'll win eventually. Well,
Speaker 2: what happened while I was away? I was away for
Speaker 2: a couple of days last week and a couple of
Speaker 2: days this week. Took the holiday of Monday and built
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mini getaway vacation, which I'm
Speaker 2: very happy to do, and again want to thank Gary
Speaker 2: Tangway and Morgan White for sitting in for me. But
Speaker 2: of course, what I did miss was some of the
Speaker 2: excitement surrounding the inauguration, and as a result, I'd like
Speaker 2: to catch up with that with all of you this evening,
Speaker 2: because it was a really interesting day from a lot
Speaker 2: of different perspectives, not the least of which was We've
Speaker 2: had a change of administrations which are dramatic, and I
Speaker 2: think that, as I've said, the last four years of
Speaker 2: the Biden administration was a failure. It was a failure
Speaker 2: on a number of levels. The former president said that
Speaker 2: he would unite the country. He didn't he did incredible
Speaker 2: damage to the Democratic Party, and I think the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party is going to take some time to recover. I
Speaker 2: think that the pardons that Joe Biden issued to individuals
Speaker 2: who said they had done nothing wrong. I realized that
Speaker 2: the pardons were intended to be prophylactic, but I don't
Speaker 2: know that I would have wanted a pardon if I
Speaker 2: was doctor Fauci, or if I was General Miley, or
Speaker 2: if I was even a member of the Biden family,
Speaker 2: because because once you've been given a pardon, you have
Speaker 2: lost your right, at least in front of Congress, to
Speaker 2: your Fifth Amendment rights to refuse to answer questions. So
Speaker 2: I don't know that Biden did his family a favor.
Speaker 2: He had pardoned his son. Biden did not pardon himself,
Speaker 2: from what I could read, and if I mean correct
Speaker 2: on that, I always stand to be corrected. But he
Speaker 2: did pardon relatives. He didn't pardon Jill Biden, his wife,
Speaker 2: who did nothing but stand by him politically loyally, And
Speaker 2: some suggest that that is what might have inspired Donald
Speaker 2: Trump to issue the pardons to everyone who, as Trump
Speaker 2: referred to them as the j six hostages, or President
Speaker 2: Trump referred to as the j six hostages. I must
Speaker 2: tell you I've labeled this hour the Executive President Trump's
Speaker 2: executive pardons, the good, the bad, and the questionable, and
Speaker 2: the questionable Here certainly is the pardon of everyone who
Speaker 2: was involved in January sixth. Now, were there some people
Speaker 2: who were charged in January sixth of the fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: who might have been there, didn't realize what was going on,
Speaker 2: saw that there were doors were opened, they were not
Speaker 2: guarded by Capitol police officers, and decided to walk in
Speaker 2: and see what's going on shore. However, there should not
Speaker 2: have been pardons for those who who engaged in violence
Speaker 2: against police officers, who hit them with baseball bats, who
Speaker 2: struck them with head over the heads with two by
Speaker 2: fours or with picket signs, who smashed windows, broke down doors,
Speaker 2: invaded you know, sacred spaces to which they had no
Speaker 2: right to invade, you know, sat in people's desks, which
Speaker 2: they had no right to do. And I think the
Speaker 2: President has a lot of political capital to deal with
Speaker 2: right now. But I think that's a waste of political capital.
Speaker 2: As late as last week, Vice President Vance had said
Speaker 2: there should not be pardons for individuals who engaged in
Speaker 2: any sort of violence against police officers, and why why
Speaker 2: he would pardon the head of the Proud Boys or
Speaker 2: the You know, these should all be looked at very
Speaker 2: carefully on a case by case basis. He had plenty
Speaker 2: of time to look at these on a case by
Speaker 2: case basis, but he was intent. He was intent on
Speaker 2: doing this. And now he has been having his conversations
Speaker 2: with reporters and he does this. He does this sort
Speaker 2: of well what about the other side, and well, here's
Speaker 2: here's one. I've got a couple of sound bites here
Speaker 2: which I'm going to play, which is very typical of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. But I just think this is a huge
Speaker 2: mistake on his part. This is like leading in the
Speaker 2: football game twenty one to nothing and unnecessarily fumbling. This
Speaker 2: is an unforced error, in my opinion, and it will
Speaker 2: come back to haunt him because I suspect that some
Speaker 2: of these individuals might engage and might feel liberated and
Speaker 2: engage in other activities. So let me go to cut one.
Speaker 2: This is a reporter asking him about a specific pardon
Speaker 2: that I suspect the president really doesn't know too much about.
Speaker 2: But he immediately goes to what's going on in other cities.
Speaker 2: This is cut number one. This is this is classic
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, all of those Rodriguez, he drove a stun
Speaker 2: gun into the neck of a DC police officer who
Speaker 2: was adopted by the mom that day. He later confessed
Speaker 2: on the video of the FBI and pleaded guilty for
Speaker 2: his crimes. Why does he deserve.
Speaker 3: A part Well, I don't know, is it a parton
Speaker 3: because we're looking at commutes and we're looking at pardons.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, we'll take a look at everything.
Speaker 3: But I can say this, murderers today are not even charged.
Speaker 3: You have murderers that aren't charged all over you. Take
Speaker 3: a look at what's gone on in Philadelphia, take a look,
Speaker 3: go what's gone off in LA where people murder people
Speaker 3: and they don't get charged. These people have already served
Speaker 3: years in prison, and they've served them viciously. It's a
Speaker 3: disgusting prison. It's been horrible, it's in humane. It's been
Speaker 3: a terrible, terrible thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, it's not responsive to the question. Cut
Speaker 2: one A is also not responsive to the question. He continues,
Speaker 2: I also say this.
Speaker 3: You go to Portland where they did, where they wrapped
Speaker 3: police offices, shot police offices. Nothing happened to anybody. You
Speaker 3: go to Seattle where they took over a big chunk
Speaker 3: of the city and people died. Portland, a lot of
Speaker 3: people died way a minute, and you go also take
Speaker 3: a look at Minneapolis, because I was there and I
Speaker 3: watched it. If I didn't bring in the National Guard,
Speaker 3: that city wouldn't even exist today.
Speaker 2: People were killed and nobody went to jail.
Speaker 3: So these people have already served a long period of time,
Speaker 3: and I made a decision to give a pardon. Joe
Speaker 3: Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a lot of criminals.
Speaker 3: These are criminals that he gave a pardon to, and
Speaker 3: you should be asking that question.
Speaker 2: Well, the people who the president pardoned are also criminals
Speaker 2: who happened to have attacked police officers at the Capitol.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know who who he consults with. This
Speaker 2: is one more cut rob of him talking about the pardons,
Speaker 2: cut twenty two, so.
Speaker 4: This is January sixth. These are the hostages, approximately fifteen
Speaker 4: hundred for a pardon, full partner, full.
Speaker 2: Pardon.
Speaker 4: We have about six commutations in there when we're doing
Speaker 4: further research. Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2: So this is a big one.
Speaker 4: Anything you want to explain about this. We hope they
Speaker 4: get them.
Speaker 2: We hope they come out tonight.
Speaker 4: Frankly, if you're expecting it, approximately fifteen hundred people, six
Speaker 4: six commutations.
Speaker 2: Were there any pass you didn't talk or part of people.
Speaker 4: We'll look at different things, but the commutations would be
Speaker 4: the ones that will take a look and maybe it'll
Speaker 4: stay that way or it'll go to in the faux part.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know how else I could say it
Speaker 2: anymore clearly that to essentially refer to these folks as hostages,
Speaker 2: obviously it's legally incorrect. People. The hostages that we have
Speaker 2: most recently known on the innocent Israeli civilians who were
Speaker 2: taken captive for four hundred and seventy days and many
Speaker 2: of whom were killed while in captivity by Hamas. And
Speaker 2: I think that President Trump has done the wrong thing here.
Speaker 2: He obviously wanted to do it. I'll be interesting with JD.
Speaker 2: Vance has to say. Vance said a week ago the
Speaker 2: people who engaged in violence, and President Trump has in
Speaker 2: the past said, matter of fact, in the wake of
Speaker 2: January sixth, when he was feeling the heat, he said
Speaker 2: there should be no partners for people who attacked police officers.
Speaker 2: It's an easy It's an easy distinction to make if
Speaker 2: there were people there protesting, and even if they simply
Speaker 2: walked into the building when the building became unattended, you
Speaker 2: could pardon people of that they obviously broke the law
Speaker 2: by walking into a place that had been attended to
Speaker 2: by police officers, and who are who were forced to
Speaker 2: retreat again, it undercuts it's Donald Trump has the ability
Speaker 2: to to take this great opportunity that he has. There
Speaker 2: are many of the executive orders that he signed which
Speaker 2: I think will be helpful, particularly dealing with border security,
Speaker 2: amongst others. But to pardon people who committed attacks on
Speaker 2: police officers, it goes against everything that you would hope
Speaker 2: that any president of the United State would stand with,
Speaker 2: the United States would stand for. So the only lines
Speaker 2: that are open right now if you want to get
Speaker 2: through a six one seven nine. I think that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has been given I don't know that he's been
Speaker 2: given a mandate, because it wasn't what I would consider
Speaker 2: to be a mandate election, but he's been given an
Speaker 2: opportunity to a second opportunity to leave the country in
Speaker 2: the direction that he thinks the country should be led.
Speaker 2: And I think that a large number of people in
Speaker 2: this country, even people who didn't vote for him, are
Speaker 2: willing to give him a chance. But if he continues
Speaker 2: to make what I would consider to be unforced errors,
Speaker 2: he will blow that opportunity a second time. The lines
Speaker 2: are full. My name's Dan Ray, this is Nightside. Let's
Speaker 2: have at it. If I have disappointed you, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I owe you the truth as I see it. I
Speaker 2: owe you what I believe, and that is what I believe.
Speaker 2: Back on nights out after this. Now back to Dan
Speaker 2: Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1: I' WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So let's focus on whatever you want to focus on.
Speaker 2: I have chosen to what I want to focus on,
Speaker 2: but you are the callers. Tell us what you like,
Speaker 2: what you don't like. And by the way, the fact
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden gave pardons to I don't know was
Speaker 2: it two thousand criminals, including Leonard Peltier, who killed two
Speaker 2: FBI agents was convicted of killing two FBI agents in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies drug dealers. That was wrong. Doesn't make
Speaker 2: what Donald Trump did was right, because two wrongs don't
Speaker 2: make a right. That's what your mother told you and
Speaker 2: your mother was right. Let's go to Doreen and Chelsea. Hey, Doreen, welcome,
Speaker 2: Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 5: Happy new year, Dan, longtime no.
Speaker 2: Talk save to you. Dorian. Great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you as well. What's your thought
Speaker 2: on the Donald Trump?
Speaker 6: My thought on is the state of Massachusetts should in debt,
Speaker 6: capital punishment. I'm very high on it. Get the riff
Speaker 6: raff out of the jails and prisons and drugs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, well that's okay, but that's not our topic tonight.
Speaker 2: And uh and and I.
Speaker 6: Think no I seen I've seen Donald Trump get sworn in,
Speaker 6: and it was a sad day for Biden, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean, they both get patterns on both sides.
Speaker 5: You don't kill a cop and get away.
Speaker 6: With it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I got at.
Speaker 5: What with uh retirement.
Speaker 6: My brother was a correctional office in the state of Massachusetts.
Speaker 6: He had a hot time in the prisons. It wasn't easy,
Speaker 6: all right. He was chased by all gang and drug members.
Speaker 5: That's what's going.
Speaker 6: On in this country.
Speaker 5: It's all immigration too, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do understand.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You know you're weaving some points together here, I do
Speaker 2: get it. So what did you think about Trump's pardon
Speaker 2: of the J six inmates convicts?
Speaker 8: No, it was wrong when I seen that American flag.
Speaker 8: I was in the hospital dying of COVID pneumonia and melrose,
Speaker 8: and I've seen the flag.
Speaker 7: When you do that to a flag in.
Speaker 6: Our country, that's the highest it's the flag, the United
Speaker 6: States flag. You know what I mean? That's bad. Through
Speaker 6: the Capitol window and killing cops.
Speaker 1: He should.
Speaker 6: Trump did a bad thing on that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I think I think that he will live
Speaker 2: to regret it because they read it.
Speaker 9: I know he will.
Speaker 2: Certain people who might have been open to him are
Speaker 2: going to say, here we go again, here we go again,
Speaker 2: and a lot. I don't think.
Speaker 6: People cops in all the cities people.
Speaker 2: I don't think people voted for the commutations or pardons
Speaker 2: of the J six.
Speaker 6: Right right, right, yes, right.
Speaker 2: All right? Thanks for getting us going here, and come
Speaker 2: on back more often. Okay, don't be a stranger.
Speaker 9: I will all have a great kid.
Speaker 2: Bye, good life. Let me go next to Mark and Cambridge. Mark,
Speaker 2: you were next on nightside. Go right ahead, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. You cut out on me. There Mark,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, I missed what you had to say.
Speaker 10: All right, I'm gonna make it short and simple. He
Speaker 10: just figured he'd you know, if he just commentated a
Speaker 10: few and not the others, I wouldn't be fair. So
Speaker 10: he just did everybody, all fifteen hundred of them. On
Speaker 10: the other hand, me personally, he assault on a police officer,
Speaker 10: and that should be you know, I mean excluded in
Speaker 10: my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, but but all fifteen hundred had not assaulted police officers.
Speaker 2: There were many that had assaulted police officers. And I
Speaker 2: think with all the videotape that they had that they
Speaker 2: could have distinguished between those who assaulted police officers and
Speaker 2: those who maybe in the exuberance of the riot, you know,
Speaker 2: ventured into the into the capitol building. Uh and and
Speaker 2: they were charged with trespassing and things like that. Do
Speaker 2: you want to commute those sentences?
Speaker 10: But right, I wasn't talking about I was talking about
Speaker 10: the ones that assaulted police officers. They should be you know,
Speaker 10: they should should have been excluded in my opinion, you know,
Speaker 10: the ones that it did assault police officers, they should
Speaker 10: have been excluded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should have served, they should have served their sentences.
Speaker 2: And I think that I think this was a mistake
Speaker 2: that he made. It's an unforced error. And I think
Speaker 2: that in his enthusiasm for his return to the White House,
Speaker 2: I think he will rule the day.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I think that this will be one opportunity for
Speaker 2: the Democrats to say, this is the same Donald Trump
Speaker 2: who came here for you know, eight years ago, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be a rough ride. I think that's
Speaker 2: what people are going to start to say, right.
Speaker 10: I understand, but like I said, dog, you know what
Speaker 10: I mean. But you know, I mean like I said
Speaker 10: at the beginning, then that you know, he just figured
Speaker 10: he do everybody if well, well why not the other
Speaker 10: and the other? I'm assuming that what was going through
Speaker 10: his mind everybody gets.
Speaker 1: Parts.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 10: I agree with you, but I'm saying he was going
Speaker 10: through his mind though. Thank you, Dan, I'll have a
Speaker 10: great night.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks Mark, talk to you soon. Let me go
Speaker 2: to next up is John in Dorchester. John, you were
Speaker 2: next on Nightsack go right ahead.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Happy and healthy process six.
Speaker 2: Brought back to you go right a fella.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It was a funky day.
Speaker 1: Operation day. Michael the King would have. It was a
Speaker 1: shame and I think you said not just the police officers,
Speaker 1: the other people as a woman that got back there. No,
Speaker 1: you know, I just get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you'll break it up at me, John, Why
Speaker 2: don't you do this, Rob, Why don't you see if
Speaker 2: you can improve his line and we'll take the newscast
Speaker 2: here and we'll try to pick John up on the
Speaker 2: other side. Okay, tell John, we'll is. I think he's
Speaker 2: had problems with his line here six one seven two
Speaker 2: five four ten thirty. That is the one and only
Speaker 2: line open right now, six one seven, four ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Back on night Side, right after the news at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the hour.
Speaker 11: Night Side, Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Guys, go back to John and Chester. John, hopefully we
Speaker 2: got your signal cleared up.
Speaker 1: Olympic go ahead, Hey day, I'm back. Yeah. So, I
Speaker 1: mean the times on both sides of the aisle there,
Speaker 1: it's crazy and at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: you know, you just you know, it's one tad in
Speaker 1: this one and that one. But like you know, but
Speaker 1: Biden would the one that killed two at the eye
Speaker 1: officers and him with the you know, like you said
Speaker 1: that the oak Ridge Boy or whatever. Not the oak
Speaker 1: Ridge Boys, but you know what I mean, and it's
Speaker 1: just a.
Speaker 2: Proudly so called proud boys. Yeah I would. I mean
Speaker 2: the Oakridge Boys pretty good, pretty good singers, but you
Speaker 2: are the Proud Boys. I mean the guy looks like
Speaker 2: a thug. I mean, he acts like a thug.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think the best thing that was
Speaker 1: Lee Green would proud to be an American Billy Ray Cyrus.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he had if somebody spiked his
Speaker 1: holywater or something, but that was crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know. And yeah, as
Speaker 2: they say, we can leave the musicians out of it.
Speaker 2: I just think it was a mistake that he made
Speaker 2: and that that he he just he gets he digs
Speaker 2: his heels in and that's it. And maybe maybe that's
Speaker 2: an asset, but certainly, in this instance, I think it
Speaker 2: was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I concur with you. I can cruse.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean, and and
Speaker 2: it also undercuts he could turn around and say to Biden, hey,
Speaker 2: what are you doing here with all of these pardons
Speaker 2: for people who haven't been accused of anything. He's basically
Speaker 2: he undercut his own his own position. Hey, John, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you much, my friend.
Speaker 1: There's no right. Thanks, well you got it, Thank you
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: By bye. Let me go next to Larry Down and Dennisport.
Speaker 2: Larry on the Cape, Go right ahead.
Speaker 9: Larry Good evening, Dan.
Speaker 2: Good evening, sir. What's your take on all of this?
Speaker 9: First question is did you get rid of your coffee yet?
Speaker 2: Uh? It's kind of hanging on. I just think it's Uh,
Speaker 2: it's people said to me, oh, you'll have it for
Speaker 2: a month, and they're getting pretty close. It's getting pretty close.
Speaker 2: It's getting better, but it hasn't disappeared as yet.
Speaker 9: So okay, well it's been three and a half years
Speaker 9: since by vaccine injury. I'm trying to get rid of
Speaker 9: my coughs. So I was very upset when past president
Speaker 9: Biden pardoned doctor Fouci. That one really got to make.
Speaker 9: But here's my question. We don't vote for a dictator,
Speaker 9: and when all of these pardons are given by both sides,
Speaker 9: whether it's Biden or Trump, they act like a dictator.
Speaker 9: I'd like to start a petition, and this might be
Speaker 9: a great subject for another night. I think it's too
Speaker 9: much power for one person. I think if the president
Speaker 9: wants to issue a pardon, he presents it to Congress.
Speaker 9: This is who I want to pardon, this person, this person.
Speaker 9: Congress says yes to this one, no to this one.
Speaker 9: What do you think of that idea?
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, you'd have to change the constitution because the
Speaker 2: president is in his office has given the executive power
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 9: So changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's not easy to change the constitution. You
Speaker 2: gotta first of all, get it through You got to
Speaker 2: get it through Congress. Then you got to get it
Speaker 2: to the states, and you got to get three quarters
Speaker 2: of the states thirty eight out of fifty states at
Speaker 2: this point to approve it. And as they found with
Speaker 2: the Equal Rights Amendment, it failed because it was only
Speaker 2: got was approved by thirty seven states. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: would be different. I mean, it's interesting, you could change
Speaker 2: it theoretically, but I just think it's not likely and
Speaker 2: these sorts of yeah.
Speaker 9: I'll rephrase the question, I'll rephrase the question. Then, do
Speaker 9: you think that is too much power for the president
Speaker 9: having these pardons.
Speaker 2: I think they should be used more selectively. I think
Speaker 2: that the partner of a governor or the pardon of
Speaker 2: a president should be used selectively. And I read some
Speaker 2: stats the other day that I think that President Bush
Speaker 2: might have pardoned. I don't know one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm picking the numbers, and President Obama a Republican and
Speaker 2: a Democrat, and Clinton they were like in the low
Speaker 2: one hundreds, one hundred and forty, one hundred and fifty whatever.
Speaker 2: I mightey be able to find the number as we're talking.
Speaker 2: But Biden broke all records. You know, it was it
Speaker 2: was it was tough not to get a pardon. You know,
Speaker 2: you would be the exception, and I would be the exception. Right,
Speaker 2: you know they were. They were giving him out like
Speaker 2: they were giving out Hoodsie cups on the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And it just says, wait a second, you know that's
Speaker 2: not the way it's supposed to be. Again, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at pardons here, what do we have. Franklin Roosevelt led
Speaker 2: the league. He gave out three thirty six hundred pardons.
Speaker 2: Woodrow Wilson gave out a lot twenty four hundred, Harry
Speaker 2: Truman two thousand. I don't know the specifics on those,
Speaker 2: but when you get to more recent presidents Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: was four fifty nine. He was fairly, fairly generous. You know,
Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson was a one hundred and nineteen. You know
Speaker 2: Joe Biden is now, I mean he like leads the league.
Speaker 2: William Henry Harrison gave out none, George Washington sixteen, John
Speaker 2: Adams twenty one. So when the Constitution first was written,
Speaker 2: they were given out in a limited fashion. George Herbert
Speaker 2: Walker Poschel gave out seventy seven pardons, Ronald Reagan gave
Speaker 2: out four hundred and six. But Biden went off the wall.
Speaker 2: And here you have Trump. It's like three days into
Speaker 2: his presidency and he's already given out like fifteen hundred pardons.
Speaker 9: I mean, right exactly, I'll finish. I'll end it with this.
Speaker 9: I think I'm hoping the country doesn't have well, for
Speaker 9: lack of a better term, buyers remorse with Trump because
Speaker 9: I feel most people voted for his policies, not his personality,
Speaker 9: But his personality got in the way in the first day.
Speaker 2: So I will also tell you that, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: President Trump was elected by people who voted against Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: just as Joe Biden. In this country, we tend to
Speaker 2: elect the presidents who by voting against you know, when
Speaker 2: Donald Trump won, he beat Hillary Clinton. And the reason
Speaker 2: he beat Hillary Clinton was she was very unpopular. And
Speaker 2: then Trump and turned four years later was very unpopular,
Speaker 2: and they elected Joe Biden, who ran a campaign from
Speaker 2: his basement. And then four years later, people had enough
Speaker 2: of Biden. They were done with Biden, they were done
Speaker 2: with everything that was involved in the in the in
Speaker 2: his four years in office, and they gave Donald Trump
Speaker 2: a second chance for the sake of the nation. I
Speaker 2: hope that I hope that Donald Trump is successful, but
Speaker 2: I was appalled to think that these individuals who attacked
Speaker 2: police officers who were simple doing their job. Capitol police officers,
Speaker 2: We're doing their job, and they suffered injuries and in
Speaker 2: some cases, you know, died under mysterious circumstances. The one
Speaker 2: guy who died a couple of days later, you know,
Speaker 2: had a heart attack, but apparently he was subjected to
Speaker 2: bear spray. I mean, you know, again, I don't want
Speaker 2: to go into all the different cases, but if you're
Speaker 2: going to take an American flag and smash windows and
Speaker 2: attack a police officer with two by fours or baseball bats,
Speaker 2: you don't get a pardon period, do your time, do
Speaker 2: the crime, do your time. Thanks Dennis, Thanks Larry, Bye
Speaker 2: bye Larry from Dennis Bourt. Let me keep rolling here.
Speaker 2: Who do I am next? Let me get in Kevin
Speaker 2: in Plymouth? Kevin, you are next on nightside. You've waited
Speaker 2: twenty two minutes. Go ahead, Kevin.
Speaker 1: Hey Dan, how you doing?
Speaker 12: First time calling here?
Speaker 2: First time caller. Well, we're going to have you with us.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year, making a new Year's resolute that it
Speaker 2: will not be your last time. Go ahead, Plymouth, Go ahead, Kelly.
Speaker 12: You know what I think the pod is that Trump
Speaker 12: gave to the J sixes.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 12: I can't agree with it. Obviously, assault on a police
Speaker 12: officer is not right.
Speaker 13: I don't know what the maximum I'm curious to see
Speaker 13: what the maximum penalty is for that I know in Massachusetts.
Speaker 12: I think it's two and a half years and up
Speaker 12: to a five thousands.
Speaker 2: All fine, Oh no, no, I think let me just
Speaker 2: say this. I do not know offhand because I've never
Speaker 2: had experience with assault and a police officer, but I
Speaker 2: think it depends upon the sort of assault. And you
Speaker 2: can have an assault, you can have aggravated assault, you
Speaker 2: can have assault in battery. There's different levels to take
Speaker 2: a shot at a police officer and only serve two
Speaker 2: and a half years. I think that's in I think
Speaker 2: that these guys, some of these guys had been in
Speaker 2: now for three or four years, and I think some
Speaker 2: of their sentences could be up to ten years because
Speaker 2: you're talking about assaulting a Capitol police officer on the
Speaker 2: grounds of the US Congress, the Capitol building while they're
Speaker 2: simply trying to do their job on the day in
Speaker 2: which a presidential election was being ratified. I mean, all
Speaker 2: of those circumstances could add to the length of sentence
Speaker 2: that these people face. But look, you saw the video.
Speaker 2: You saw people smashing windows, you saw people hitting police
Speaker 2: officers with baseball bats. That's an assault with a dangerous weapon.
Speaker 2: That's more than an assault. That's assault with a dangerous weapon.
Speaker 2: That gets it up into serious felony category.
Speaker 14: Unacceptable, There's no doubt about it's unacceptable.
Speaker 11: I did see video of the actually the police officers
Speaker 11: throwing stunt grenades into the crowd, and I know, yeah
Speaker 11: that it probably didn't help the situation, but it was.
Speaker 12: It was it turned into a major.
Speaker 7: Riot, and uh, you know, it just it was out
Speaker 7: of hand right from the stots.
Speaker 12: So but you know what, I think we got to
Speaker 12: move past it. I don't think he can. I know,
Speaker 12: I know those people made mistakes, and can Donald Trump
Speaker 12: make a mistake every once in a while.
Speaker 11: I don't.
Speaker 12: I don't know if he's allowed to.
Speaker 10: You know, he seems to be well not not not
Speaker 10: at this level.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to say, oh, he shouldn't
Speaker 2: rename the Gulf of Mexico, I happen to agree name
Speaker 2: rename it the Gulf of America. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: I'm all for that. Okay. By the way, the Proud
Speaker 2: Boys leader was serving a twenty two year Jay sixth sentence,
Speaker 2: so that was a pretty substantial sentence, Okay. And I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at an article here out of Newsweek just
Speaker 2: to answer your question. There was a list of the
Speaker 2: people who were serving sentences, and let me just see here,
Speaker 2: twenty seven months in prison, civil disorder, assaulted the federal officer,
Speaker 2: eighteen years in prison. Ethan Nordean, thirty two of Arburn, Washington,
Speaker 2: was sent eighteen years in prison, a member of the
Speaker 2: far right Proud Boys group who's found guilty of multiple felonies,
Speaker 2: including conspiracy to destruct an official proceeding. So yes, some
Speaker 2: of these seventeen years, ten years, fifteen years, fifteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: though there's some pretty significant eighty four months seven that's
Speaker 2: would be. That's seven years, six years, fifty one months
Speaker 2: in prison, eighty seven months. There's a lot of long
Speaker 2: sentences here. There's one guy here, Daniel DJ Rodriguez, California,
Speaker 2: since one hundred and fifty one months in prison, assaulting
Speaker 2: an officer with a taser. I mean, you know, guy
Speaker 2: took a taste to a police officer. How much you're
Speaker 2: gonna give him?
Speaker 12: He's I don't know. It's it's fad, It's no doubt
Speaker 12: about it. It's bad, but I don't know. I know
Speaker 12: the day was. It was a real bad day.
Speaker 2: But I think a bad day because of what these
Speaker 2: people did. Now there's there's someone else here. There's there's
Speaker 2: one here. For example, a guy out of Decata, Georgia,
Speaker 2: Matthew J. Webler, sentenced to forty five days in prison
Speaker 2: in order to pay five hundred and ten dollars. He
Speaker 2: played guilty to one count of demonstrating in the capitol.
Speaker 2: So that's someone who walked into the capitol. I could
Speaker 2: see commuting his sentence or giving him a pardon, wiping
Speaker 2: his record clean, because all he got was forty five days.
Speaker 2: But there's a big difference between eighteen years. Here's another
Speaker 2: guy out of Kentucky sentence a forty five years is
Speaker 2: guilty of demonstra forty five days incarceration, sixty hours of
Speaker 2: community service for pleading guilty in charge of demonstrating in
Speaker 2: the capitol. I don't have. There's another guy fourteen days.
Speaker 2: So there's quite a quite a range here. You can
Speaker 2: look these up yourself as if you want. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of them that are there are a lot of
Speaker 2: them are pretty serious and some which look to me
Speaker 2: to be pretty venial.
Speaker 13: Right right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I don't really
Speaker 13: I don't see them giving a you know, burd of
Speaker 13: sentences out now for eighteen he is, you know what
Speaker 13: I mean.
Speaker 12: So I just seem it seems to be very.
Speaker 14: Politically motivated to be switch. That's that's my take on it.
Speaker 14: You know, those sentences are very hot, I believe, I do.
Speaker 14: I don't believe that those sentences.
Speaker 13: You know, justify what happened that day. I really don't.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, the people that get caught in the mix,
Speaker 7: of course not you know, but it was a bad day.
Speaker 7: It's a bad days. A lot of people that disagreed
Speaker 7: was going on that day obviously.
Speaker 12: Uh, there was a lot of tension and it didn't
Speaker 12: end up good for anybody.
Speaker 7: So but I you know, I'm kind of like totally
Speaker 7: sick of hearing about it. It's time to move on,
Speaker 7: put it behind us, and uh, you know, let's talk
Speaker 7: about Biden's pods.
Speaker 12: Biden's pods were you know, I don't think uh, you know,
Speaker 12: there was there's a lot to be said about what
Speaker 12: he did. You know, it's almost admitting guilt.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how much of a sentence? Here's one guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you what his sentence was.
Speaker 2: This guy was found guilty of four counts of assaulting
Speaker 2: Metropolitan Police Department officers. So he assaulted four different Metropolitan
Speaker 2: Police Department office. What sort of a sentence would you
Speaker 2: give him if any.
Speaker 1: SEEZ I don't know.
Speaker 12: Four years, year of peace.
Speaker 2: Four years well he got, he got eighty eight months.
Speaker 2: Would your commute his sentence?
Speaker 12: Probably not?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: No, okay, So we agree. We agree again. The people
Speaker 2: who who got caught up in it and were were
Speaker 2: yelling or screaming inside the Capitol. These people who have
Speaker 2: who were given you know, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty days in prison or forty five days in prison.
Speaker 2: Found that's not a problem. But there's the difference between
Speaker 2: doing that getting caught up in the crowd and and
Speaker 2: tate and hitting a police officer with a taser. That's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying. Hey, Kevin, I appreciate your call, first
Speaker 2: time calling.
Speaker 1: Come on back soon, Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Have a good night.
Speaker 2: You two gonna come right back. The only lines open
Speaker 2: right now are six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I got Donna, Bill and Joe coming up, and I
Speaker 2: got room for you at six one, seven, nine three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty.
Speaker 11: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep going. He're gonna go to Donna
Speaker 2: and Framingham. Donna, appreciate your patience. Next time, Nightsager right ahead, Donna.
Speaker 5: I was about ready to give up, but here I am.
Speaker 2: We take I'm glad you stuck around, but I gotta
Speaker 2: tell you, yes, we take him as they come in, Donna,
Speaker 2: no one, no one has held.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. Let me just start with a
Speaker 5: real quick thing. The guy that was dressed up like
Speaker 5: the shaman with the horns on his head and all
Speaker 5: that stuff. Remember that guy, we had you to get him.
Speaker 2: He was quite memorable.
Speaker 5: We had to look at his hairy chest all day. Anyway,
Speaker 5: here's what he just tweeted on X I got a
Speaker 5: pardon baby, Thank you, miss country, God bless America. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I just wanted to mention that, but then I
Speaker 5: want to get to my own points.
Speaker 2: But I hope, I hope a little bit of what
Speaker 2: you said got bleeped.
Speaker 6: Donna.
Speaker 2: Remember we are still on family Radio.
Speaker 10: Go ahead, I said, mother.
Speaker 2: Is please please. I know you tried to clean it up,
Speaker 2: but I think we know in effect what you said.
Speaker 5: I'm just reading the tree. Okay. The other point is
Speaker 5: I agree with you totally. And the reason why President
Speaker 5: Trump pardon those people, dan is because he backs the
Speaker 5: Blue and left. They're trying to help him. That's why
Speaker 5: he did it. Because they did it to help him.
Speaker 5: That's why he come pardoned them.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Another thing that also came out, I.
Speaker 2: Think that I think that I don't disagree with your characterization,
Speaker 2: but I think that's sort of either you back the
Speaker 2: blue or you don't.
Speaker 5: As far as I well, I listen, Dan, I wanted
Speaker 5: my president to succeed, and I'm because I always wanted
Speaker 5: to as in the deced, But after forty eight hours,
Speaker 5: I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Did you
Speaker 5: hear what he said about the Secret Service protection for
Speaker 5: John Bolton?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was surprised to find out today that
Speaker 2: vice presidents, full of vice presidents only received Secret Service
Speaker 2: protection for six months. Now I assume they can be extended.
Speaker 5: But I always thought that John Bolton, John Bolton doesn't
Speaker 5: he doesn't have to have it forever, but right now
Speaker 5: the Iranians are trying to kill him. And when Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: our president, was asked about that today, he went on
Speaker 5: a tirade about how he shouldn't have it forever, which
Speaker 5: is true, but the spread is ongoing. Yeah, and he
Speaker 5: went on for the next three minutes to talk about
Speaker 5: how dumb John Bolton.
Speaker 2: Is, like that has anything to do with right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did hear that again, That there's ovis is the
Speaker 2: personal animus between him and Bolton, which he should step
Speaker 2: aside in that decision if he was smart he would say, look,
Speaker 2: John Bolton will have Secret Service for however long he
Speaker 2: needs it. That his his protection will be determined by uh,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, whether it's Secret Service or whether it's
Speaker 2: the FBI or whomever it is. And I have Well, again,
Speaker 2: he should just say I have no role in that decision.
Speaker 2: If someone from Secret Service thinks Bolton should have protection
Speaker 2: for another one hundred years, fine, Trump should step off
Speaker 2: away from that if he was smart, but he's not.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you came back. I hope you're feeling better.
Speaker 5: And I am so happy to hear that you say
Speaker 5: about how you think this was a really stupid thing.
Speaker 5: And again, try to convince me, Dan, I wanted to
Speaker 5: give Donald Trump a chance. I didn't vote for him.
Speaker 5: I reluctantly vote for three hours. I didn't like that either,
Speaker 5: you know, forty eight hours later, a little bit more
Speaker 5: than that. At this point, I'm almost ready to give
Speaker 5: up already.
Speaker 2: Well again, you know, everyone's gonna do what they have
Speaker 2: to do in this set of circumstances. But I think
Speaker 2: that from his perspective, it was an easy call. Jd
Speaker 2: Vance a week ago said the violent protesters should not
Speaker 2: receive commute. I was a week ago, a week ago,
Speaker 2: you know, and he puts he puts his allies in
Speaker 2: the uncomfortable position of having to agree with him or
Speaker 2: else contradicting him. It's not a good way to start
Speaker 2: day three of your presidency. Let me put it like that.
Speaker 2: We can agree upon that. Thanks don, I'm glad you
Speaker 2: hung on. Thank you, Minch. Talk to you later. By
Speaker 2: all right, if you're on the line, stay there. If
Speaker 2: you not give us a call, six seven two five
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six seven nine thirty. This is what
Speaker 2: I believe. I certainly was hoping that Donald Trump, second
Speaker 2: time around, would be able to handle himself a little differently.
Speaker 2: I thought his speech the other day was tough, but
Speaker 2: I thought it was honest. I didn't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot of trouble with his speech. But I have trouble
Speaker 2: with pardoning people who have committed violence against the Capitol
Speaker 2: building and more importantly, against the police officers who were
Speaker 2: there to protect members of Congress. Republicans and Democrats alike.
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