Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: This is Matthew Brent and this is Dirk Smith, longtime
listeners to The Shirley Podcast and host on our upcoming podcast,
The Accidental Legends, coming later this month.
Speaker 3: All right, folks, fasten your seat belts and roll the tape.
It's nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: We've got Tom Sawyer refusing to do his chores, a
red bar Shuta out running traffic cops, and YYZ proving
Canadians really can speak fluent airport code.
Speaker 3: Don't get lost in the camera eye or you might
end up witch hunting for your sanity to see what
I did. So grab your limelight, adjust your vital signs,
and get ready.
Speaker 2: Because this is movie pictures, where every song paints a
world in every riff movie.
Speaker 3: Surely you can't.
Speaker 1: Be serious, everybody.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
We're on part two of.
Speaker 5: Our a.
Speaker 6: What r speed Wagon?
Speaker 4: Oh you looked at me like I was saying something wrong.
Oh I'm upture here to help you out.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, thanks? What is it? What are we doing?
Speaker 7: Last week we did Ario speed Wagon with Doug Gray,
who is an Ario speed Wagon experts. Yes, and this
week we're actually diving into the mighty Rush.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: If you if this is the first time, and I
say guys, because there are no women clicking a Rush land,
that's right.
Speaker 1: If this time to watch.
Speaker 4: The Shirley you can't be serious podcasts or listen to
us on your podcast app.
Speaker 1: I'm putting the challenge out there to you. If you
think you're the biggest Rush fan in.
Speaker 4: The world, let's listen to this podcast and these two
guys that we got with us because we throw out
a little tidbit of information of like, hey, did you
guys hear this?
Speaker 1: And these two guys.
Speaker 4: Will go on and on and it's beautiful and it's
great because there needs to be more Rush fans out there.
Speaker 7: We were not born and raised, died in the wall
Rush fans.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember Tom Sawyer growing up, I remember
playing on the radio. I am familiar with them as
legendary musicians, just because when you're a musician, you know
you hear these names. I remember hearing Neil Pert's name
for the first time from my drummer in my band,
having a clue who he was, and being educated that
you know, he's the PhD of percussion, right, He's just
he's the guy. But I watched the documentary that they made.
I think it's back in twenty ten or something like that.
If you've listened to our podcast before and you're like
a heavy metal guy, like you've listened to us for Metallica,
Kirk Hammett huge Rush fan.
Speaker 1: If you like Rage.
Speaker 4: Against the Machine bass player, huge Rush fan. You like
Tenacious d Jack Black, huge Rush fan. You got all
of these musicians. Zach Wilde is a gigantic Rush fan.
All of these guys who are masters of their craft,
brilliant metal players who brilliant drummers obviously, brilliant bass players
who all look up to these guys as the lesson,
like these are the icons. These are who we want
to emulate to be as good as we can be,
because they are the top of the freakin musician food chain.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you something else.
Speaker 7: You can't talk about Rush without having a Canadian on
the podcast with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so introduce our guests for us.
Speaker 7: Jason So in the epp left hand corner, we've got
Brad Moore, who is from Louisiana. Brad's a friend of ours.
You were on Alison Chains with us and you were
on the Pina Colada Patreon.
Speaker 6: Live End Live.
Speaker 7: There you go, and for the first time ever, we
have mister Tim Epp. Tim is from Canada A and
hey's here to talk and give us great Rush inside.
Speaker 6: Tim, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: All right, tokn Canadian here?
Speaker 4: Yes, So let me talk to you guys real quick
about how you first got into Rush. I'm going to
start with you, Tim, because your handle on our Patreon
page is Rush twenty one to twelve. You obviously are
a diehard fan, but this is the first time we've
ever covered Rush. So how'd you get in to listening
to the podcast?
Speaker 5: Oh? Getting into the podcast? Interesting again. I used Spotify
as my Apple choice for podcast and it was I
don't even remember how long ago now it was that
I've been following you guys, three or four years something
like that. Anyway, what I was doing, I did a
search on Spotify for you to the Joshua Tree album
and I wanted to find some information about that, and
there was a list of podcasts and here there's this Sureley,
can't be serious. That's kind of a weird son it went,
but I knew where the reference was. Okay, it sounds
like my tribe. So I clicked onto that podcast. I
think it was the two part podcast, and yeah, I thought, oh,
the story like of the Edge being strung out on
the mushrooms, like all this kind of stuff, just that banter,
the way you guys talked back and forth and all.
I thought, Wow, these guys seem pretty cool. So that's
what got me hooked onto you guys, and I subscribed,
and then I became a Patreon member with you guys
and been enjoying the all the one hit Wonders and
all the bonus material and interacting with fellow fans and
members both on Patreon and on Facebook. So that's where
it went from there.
Speaker 4: That was awesome, man, and well, we truly appreciate you,
especially being a Patreon member helping support the podcast financially. Guys,
if you want to be Patreon members, you get to
hear all of our one Wonder episodes. This year, we
have just started dropping preview episodes because our regular scheduled
episodes have a lot of advertisements, and our patreons were like, hey,
what's up with all these ads, and we said, yeah,
you guys are paying, we should give you an ad
free version. So we're giving our patreons this year. Starting
this year, ad free versions of the podcast before we
release it to the general public. But for those five
bucks a month, you get access to all of those episodes.
You get to hang out with us in our various
chat rooms and discussion groups where we geek out hard
about eighties and nineties stuff.
Speaker 1: That's right, and Brad, you've been with us.
Speaker 4: I think you've been with us basically from the beginning,
Like you started to listening to us back in twenty twenty, right,
I believe.
Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, James told me about you guys and
listen to the Van Halen Versus Van Hagar episode and
I was like, wow, this is right at my alley.
Speaker 7: Hey, speaking of here, and a few short weeks we
are going track by track through nineteen eighty four and
nice fortieth anniversary of fifty one to fifty. We think
that podcast is going to drop on its fortieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: So no prose real quick before we dive in. Are
either one of you guys musicians?
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh not really. I do a lot of karaoke singing,
but that's that's about it. A little bit rhythm guitar.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, these guys, I mean, I understood to some
degree that they were proficient at their craft, but listening
to this album and hearing what they were doing, I
was just like, these guys, they're outlier level good. I
could not believe how perfect there they're playing was, how
perfect the timing which changes from measure to measure.
Speaker 1: It's just it's incredible what these guys can do.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to talk about their musicianship. But as
non musicians, it's going to be cool to listen to
Why you guys love these guys like you do? And
we're here to talk about album. How many years old
is it?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: Well, it was come out in nineteen eighty one, so
it's forty five years old.
Speaker 1: Forty five years old.
Speaker 4: And this album is the album that Neil part said,
this is when Rush became Rush for the drummer, the
master of percussion, God rest his soul. This was the
album where he felt like they became who they were.
Speaker 7: Quick overview on the album, real quick, before we dive
into the track by track guys with you Guys. This
is their eighth studio album. This is released February twelfth,
nineteen eighty one. This is their biggest seller in the
United States. It topped out on the Billboard two hundred
at number three.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, the.
Speaker 6: Two albums that were in front of.
Speaker 1: It, yes, care to guess? Okay, so this when was.
Speaker 7: The This was March of nineteen eighty one, March of eight,
March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh is it? Is it going to be
something like Air Supply or Christopher Cross. No, that's a
good guess, though, what do you guys think.
Speaker 8: I don't even know.
Speaker 5: High Infidelity album that you guys just covered that came
out like two months before.
Speaker 7: High Infidelity is the number one album in the country California.
Speaker 8: What's that right, Hotel California.
Speaker 6: No, good guess.
Speaker 7: The actual album that comes in second is Paradise Theater
by Styx, which High in Fidelity kind of battled with
as the number one album of nineteen eighty one. So
all right, I want to go over the cover real quick,
because this is about all I have to offer on this.
But so the album is called Moving Pictures. There you go,
Thank you, Tim. And if you look at the album,
it's a triple on tundra.
Speaker 1: A triple onra. Yes, because there are guys moving pictures.
Speaker 7: Because the guys are carrying pictures there. There are albums
moving pictures. Then you have people down here who are
crying because they're being moved by the pictures. And then
you've got people in the back who are filled the
moving pictures, which is.
Speaker 6: Moving pictures of moving pictures.
Speaker 1: Brilliant.
Speaker 6: How about that.
Speaker 8: There's three columns in there too. Oh yeah, yeah, then yeah.
Speaker 5: This was actually taken at the Ontario Toronto Ontario Legislative Building,
which is kind of the equivalent to the Governor of
the state guess is in downtown Toronto. This shoot cost
them nine thousand dollars to do. The record label said,
we're not paying that much money for an album cover.
So Rush the band actually had a front up I
think about seven thousand of that so they could get
the album covers that they wanted. I'm going to submit
that there's actually a fourth on Tondra in this all right,
If you go in the in the inside, there's this
photo here And I got this fourth on Tondra from
my friend Steve and Jerry over at the Rush. Oh yeah,
this is something for Nothing podcast, And here's Geddy, Neil
and Alex. It's kind of a blurred photo. They're moving
as the picture is being taken.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: So these guys they decide, maybe we're not going to
push so hard to make such complex music because it's
exhausting to have to play this night after night after night.
And they decide to put together this album and have
a bit of a different sensibility than they've had in
their past albums, and they come out of the gate
with an absolute banger. This is track number one. I'm Sawyer.
Speaker 9: A Monday Warrior, Mean Me trying Today's Tom Sawyer Mean
Me Right.
Speaker 4: Again. Oh my gosh, what a fantastic intro. And now,
I mean I grew up with this, so I I've
always loved this song. But Jason and I have talked
a lot about how big of Ready Player one fans
we are, and obviously the rush twenty one to twelve
is a big factor in the book. But then when
they came out with the movie, I remember the trailer
dropping and all of the IOI guys jumping into their
cars as Tom Sawry was playing. I was like, that's
a good pick. That's a good pick for a trailer
for this movie. You guys, Ready Ready Player One fans
haven't seen it.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it either.
Speaker 1: You guys don't read it. Book.
Speaker 4: Read the book. It's so freaking good. It's it's all
kinds of Shirley Gold.
Speaker 1: They're really nice.
Speaker 7: It's fantastic. So this is an all time Hall of
Fame banger. Brad, what can you tell us about Tom Sweyer?
Speaker 8: I know it was one that not many of the
band members liked, and it was kind of just a
happened chance that they even recorded the song. It was
they were doing a collaboration with the Canadian band Max Webster,
and it was just some doodling that Pie du Bois
their lyricists had written down and it was actually called
Louis the Lawyer before this, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, how far that song gone kept
with that name?
Speaker 6: Yea the Lawyer? He said, we hate lawyers around.
Speaker 8: They can see what you can do with it, and
he obviously didn't like the name Louis the Lawyer. And
Neil Pierrett does what Neil Peart does and strings together
all these lyrics and there comes Tom Sawyer. But yeah,
it's like the Eagles Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven.
It's their song like that, and everybody knows it. And
if you ever heard Rush, that's probably the song that
introduced you to Rush.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting note because I agree with you one
hundred percent. If you don't know, if you only know
one Rush song, it's going to be Tom Sawyer. But
this did this song chart forty four forty four. So
out of all of the Rush golden perfectly executed musically
genius songs, there's been one song that cracked the top
forty and this wasn't it.
Speaker 1: And it didn't even crack the top twenty.
Speaker 8: An album with five times platinum.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, I'm sorry it interrupts, but I mean, do
you want to know the songs at the top of
the charts the week that this peaked at number forty four?
Speaker 1: You know that we bobbing it up here, you know.
Speaker 7: So the song right above it was some crap by
gary Us Bonds. Okay, So at forty three, gary Us
Bonds is keeping Rush below him.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 7: But August first, nineteen eighty one, we talked about that
as being a significant date because.
Speaker 1: It was the day THATTV MTV date.
Speaker 6: You that's right.
Speaker 7: So that day top Sawyer tops out at number forty four.
The top five that week, Number five Elvira by the
Oakrage Boys. Number four, I Don't Need You by Kenny Rogers.
I don't even remember that one, right, Number three, the
greatest American zero theme song.
Speaker 1: That's a great song.
Speaker 7: Number two the one that You Love by Air Supply.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they'd be up there.
Speaker 7: Number one in is Jesse's Girl. Oh sure, okay, yeah,
well but here's the trivia question. I want to drop
on you guys, especially you two. Okay, So Dee has
mentioned that there's another song that topped out higher than
this one. But there is a song sung by Geddy
Lee that got all the way to number twenty four
on the chart. It's the highest charting song with Geddy
Lee as the singer.
Speaker 6: Do you know what.
Speaker 5: Take Off?
Speaker 6: You got it man? The song take Off by the
Mackenzie Brothers. Okay, everyone, this record was my idea get out.
Speaker 5: It was you're lying eating the moushit here just sort
of writ on my coattail.
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? It was our ideas together.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, okay, we agreed to say that.
Speaker 7: It's a beauty way decent your name, Yeah, Bob and
Doug McKenzie. And the song is take Off is a ridiculous,
funny song by the guys who made Strange Brew That's
fantastic sung by Getty Lee.
Speaker 5: Did you know that Getty and Rick Moranis both went
to school together.
Speaker 6: They were in the same class. That to me fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so is Rick Morani is Jewish?
Speaker 5: I believe he is?
Speaker 4: Okay, I was going to say, because I know that
that Getty Lee being a Jewish kid in that school
was a unique experience for him. By the way, interesting that,
like the two founding members of the band, Getty Lee
and Alex Livesong both like they both their families came
over from the war. His parents, Getty's had been in
concentration camps. Alex's folks came over from you the Slavia.
His dad had been a prisoner of war over there.
And they became fast friends. Not necessarily because of that,
but they they were friends from a very young age,
even before they were playing music.
Speaker 8: Getty's parents actually met at the concentration camp, sent letters
back and forth through some of the guards they curried
favor with, and then found each other after the liberation
of the camp. So it's really a miracle that he's
even around.
Speaker 7: That is insane romance happening in the camps. Man, Yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a movie worthy topic, right, it really is.
Speaker 8: If you've not ever read Getty's biography in life, it's fantastic.
It's a really good read.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I was listening to it and he talked about the
fact that I think his original like his real first
name is Gershawn, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so his anglicized
name was Gary. And so whenever he was hanging out
with his friends and his mom would pull up in
the car, roll down the window and.
Speaker 6: Say, Getty, Getty, get into the car.
Speaker 7: That's how he got the name Getty because it's a
Polish accented garyt.
Speaker 6: My dad's name is Gary.
Speaker 7: And I couldn't wait to tell him that fantastic song.
One of the best drumming songs of all time. And
I believe the guitar solo, even the guitar haarsol is blistering,
but it's Alex Lifson just kind of winging it on
the guitar solo that he took three or four takes,
but really it was just kind of feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's where Neil and Alex are very different in that regard.
Neil is very meticulous about his drum parts and he
will do the exact same drum part like when he
started when they started performing Tom Sawyer forty years ago.
His drum parts really have not changed from the Moving
Pictures tour right up until the last tour they are
forty tour, it was basically the same thing. But Alex
is more like, I'm just going to go in and
just noodle around, wing something and then see how it
turns out.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 7: Next song on the album is called Red Barquetta.
Speaker 5: No one knows.
Speaker 4: About okay, So on this song, what comes through clearly
to me is the reminder that this is a power trio.
You've got guitar, you've got bass, and you've got drums.
Now we go back to Tom Sawyer. They got stuff
going on that's none of that stuff. So you guys
help us out. What's where do the keyboard sounds come from?
Speaker 1: With these guys?
Speaker 8: Yet he actually has pedals that he plays, why he
plays bass are synced into his keyboards. I really don't
know how he does all he does at the front
of the stage. It's pretty amazing. I can't imagine even
singing in front of people, much less playing the bass
and keyboards at the same time.
Speaker 1: But he finds a way. He's singing, playing the bass
and playing the keyboards with his feet.
Speaker 4: Chris, that's incredible. I've heard that he also moves the
microphone with his nose. Yeah, it's his answerful.
Speaker 6: That a nose joke. No really really.
Speaker 8: Tim Kmerfort from Rage Against the Machine I think is
the one who said that in the document, and he's like,
he's got a big nose and he uses it well,
you know.
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 7: So I read that this song was written and inspired
by a Ferrari one sixty six mm Barkeetta, right, am?
Speaker 6: I right about that? What do you know about that?
Speaker 1: Tim?
Speaker 5: I don't know the car exactly, but I do know
that Neil was quite a car enthusiast right from a
very early age. In fact, he had he had quite
a collection of cars, mostly silver. He called them the
Silver Surfers and uh. He had a bunch of very
classic cars back in the sixties and seventies, and shortly
after his path twenty one that collection sold an auction
for four million bucks. Unfortunately, I was not the high bidder.
But I think in the original the Richard Foster the
Short Story, they talked about a nice morning drive. I
think there it was originally an MG. It was Neil.
Neil decided to need something with a bit more pep,
so he chose me.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Neil's dad actually owned a parts store when
he was grown up.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 5: That's right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jason, you may not know this, or you may.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: So he obviously he was not the first drummer that
Rush had. They were signed. They put out an album,
the guy that they had before. We can tell his
story in a minute, but right now, for Neil part they.
Speaker 1: Had to let that guy go.
Speaker 4: They needed a new drummer who could learn everything. In
a couple of weeks, Neil was working at his dad's
parts store, playing for just another local band. You guys
got the name of the local band that he was
in before the Jay flood. Yeah, so he literally he
gets a phone call. Actually, I think I don't think
he got a phone call. I think they showed up
at the parts store and they said, hey, we need
to talk to you about being a drummer for this
band and he couldn't believe the reality of it at all,
and then went and auditioned and was like, yeah, I
ruined that.
Speaker 1: And when he had walked into the audition.
Speaker 4: Both Alex and Geddy were like, Eh, this guy doesn't
really have one hair, he doesn't look like one of us.
He's kind of gangly, looks a little nerdy. But when
he started playing, They're like, well that's our guy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so he went home thinking he had flubbed the audition,
and then they called him and said we want you,
and he had to go to his dad and say,
I don't know what to do. He didn't say I
gotta go do this. He said I don't know what
to do. And his dad God bless and said part
store will always be here.
Speaker 6: That's great, Go do this, that's great. I love it. Okay.
Speaker 7: So the song was inspired by a futuristic short story
called A Nice Morning Drive, which was published in nineteen
seventy three in roadent Track magazine, written by the guy
named Richard Foster. Like you said, Tim, and I found
it interesting They pert who wrote the lyrics to this
song had tried to meet this guy, Richard Foster over
the years and finally got a hold.
Speaker 6: Of him in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 7: It seems to me that if Rush writes a song
about an article that I write, the first thing I'm
gonna do is try to meet these guys. You know so,
But it took over twenty five years to meet together.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's interesting that he's he's out there trying
to meet this guy, because I've heard him say he
was he was the guy in the band that didn't
go meet the fans.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 4: It made him uncomfortable when people would approach him in
the street. He just was like, it wasn't that he
was mad at people, just embarrassed him. And I can
remember him saying, He's like, I was a Who?
Speaker 1: Was he a fan of?
Speaker 5: He is a big fan of the Who?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Who? That's right.
Speaker 4: Yes, he was like, I was the biggest fanboy of
the Who in the world, but I didn't want to
go try to track them down and talk to them.
That's weird. It's a weird thing to do. I guess
it's different if you're a story writer, right right.
Speaker 5: They did give credit to Richard Foster on the album
Got It Right Here. Yeah, it says, yeah, a story
inspired by Richard Foster for a nice morning drive, so
they did give him credit on the album liner notes
love it. I think they were kind of hoping that
Richard Foster would buy the album and see that and
then maybe initiate a conversation with Neil that I guess
that didn't work all right.
Speaker 7: Rolling Stone ranks this as their fifth greatest song of
all time.
Speaker 6: Wow, how about that?
Speaker 8: It's my favorite song on the album.
Speaker 6: This is your favorite song?
Speaker 8: It's my favorite song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen probably mine as well. It's just a
kind of takes you.
Speaker 8: On a little journey and you kind of, you know,
ride with it, and it's just I don't know, it's all.
Speaker 7: I saw a bumper sticker that said my other car
is a red Barketta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: About that. The rush guys that sent us that picture,
Yeah I saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But the lyrics are so cinematic, like just the way
Neil describes the story, you know, wind in my hair,
shifting and drifting, mechanical music, adrenaline surge, like you just
you can just sit back in your headphones and just
imagine like driving through the countryside, like just going going
for broken your Ferrari. So, yeah, just amazingly you mentioned.
Speaker 8: The headphones too, and I think that's why I'm such
a big Rush. One of the reasons I'm such a
big Rush bank in the audio file and their music
always just sounds stellar with a good over their headphones.
There's nothing better.
Speaker 1: But do you guys, who was the producer on this album?
Speaker 8: Terry Brown?
Speaker 1: Okay, what else has he done?
Speaker 8: He was their producer for a long time and then
they got rid of him. I guess when was it, presto,
it was a different way or before that?
Speaker 7: Maybe let's look if only we had a pocket computer
that would tell us the same. Hey, okay, So Terry
Brown has been involved with such albums as The Who
He was the engineer, the Jimmy Hinders Experience, he was
the engineer.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: A guy named Moe Kaufman did a lot with them,
Rush Max Webster, who's the other Canadian band band we
talked about earlier? Rush Rush Rush, Rush, Cutting Crew, Wow,
Cutting Crew.
Speaker 6: I just died in yours.
Speaker 1: I just died in you. How about that?
Speaker 6: Then, Dream Theater Cutting Crew?
Speaker 1: Okay, April Wine, Apaw, April Wine in there as well, Aper.
Speaker 7: Wyne If you c k hilare lever. All right, We're
ready for.
Speaker 1: The next one. Do it so? Number three next.
Speaker 6: Song on the album is called why why Z?
Speaker 1: It's not called did I do that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I'm calling this is my favorite song on
the album. I love this song and I'm so glad.
So Brad texted Jason and I this morning. Brad, you
get a theory on where you think, at least the
rhythm of this song comes from.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I've read a bunch of different things, none
of them really been substantiated. I've read where it was
just a jam that Alex and Getty were kind of
doing and Neil jumped in one day. But I've also
I listened to a lot of the cool jazz era
of jazz. I like that a lot, and I particularly
like Dave Brubeck. And there is a song called Blue
Rondo All the Turk, and it's filled with tons of
time signatures, and I can't listen to that without thinking
about why wized?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to listen to that real quick. Hold on.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it sounds like Neil has taken the rhythm section
of the piano and the.
Speaker 1: Horns that da da da da da da da da
da da da d d D and put it with
his drums. I mean it seems spot on to me.
I think you gotta be right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then his dad I found out his dad was
a Dabrubek fan and he grew up listening to jazz
and he did a lot of Buddy Rich tributes and
stuff like that. So, I mean it makes a lot
of sense. I've not found anything that, you know, corroborates that,
but it's got to be there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Hey, somebody's got to say it first. Let it be you.
Why not?
Speaker 6: Well, okay, let me just tell you what I've heard.
Speaker 7: Maybe this is an urban legend, but I heard that
it comes from the like the I A T A
airport classification of the Toronto International Airport and as they like,
Alex Liefsen was flying them in and the Toronto Airport's
classification is why Wise and they heard the Morse code
of that airport and they thought, well, that rhythm got
stuck in Neil Pert's head and he said, I've got
to put that into a song.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 6: So you know about that, tim?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? That's it's Morse code for why Wise. It's it's
that line that dots and dashes that you hear in
morse code why Wise comes from that that So you
can get inspiration from songs anywhere, especially if you're nerdy
geeks like Russia's. And there's actually there's actually in Lester B.
Pearson Airport, which is the Toronto airport with the call
letters why Wise. There's a actually now a hy Wiz
lounge in the airport. I think Henderson Brewing Company is
sort of the official craft beer brewing company for a Rush,
and so they have all their their brewis in there
and you can get Russia heirs. I've never been in there,
but apparently there is this yized lounge. If I ever
go to Toronto, I'll be beheading to that lounge and
enjoying a nice pint of rushed golden Ales.
Speaker 6: Fantastic.
Speaker 7: My son is A is a upcoming pilot, and I
just show him a text and I just said, because
this album's old, you know, I'm like, what's the code
symbol for Toronto's airport?
Speaker 6: He text me back, whyy is he?
Speaker 9: So?
Speaker 7: By the way, this was nominated for a Grammy for
Best Rock Instrumental in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 6: I lost too.
Speaker 7: It lost to a song called behind My Camel.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like we've talked about it before.
Who's it by?
Speaker 6: It's by the Police, That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: I was thinking.
Speaker 4: It was that, Yeah, it's because this is off of synchronicity, right,
it's off of and Okay, yeah, that's right. Andy Summer
wrote that one.
Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, yeah, I thought I recognized that title.
That's great. I don't think it's as good a song
as this is, because this is a banger.
Speaker 7: By the way, I came across something I thought was
really cool. Pitcher Randy Johnson. Hall of Fame pitcher Randy Johnson.
He pitched for the Mariners. He pitched for the Diamondbacks.
I think he won a World Series with the Diamondbacks
in two thousand and one, I think. But he is
a huge Rush fan and he's also a drummer. And
when they retired his number in Arizona, they gave him
a gift and it was really cool. It's like big
thing covered up and you know, I mean, here's a
major league picture. He's got everything in the world that
he could possibly want. He's got fame, he's got girls,
he's got money, and they unveiled it, and what they
unveiled and gave him as a gift was Neil Pert's
gold plated drum set. And he was over the moon,
like when I say over the moon. He was beside
himself at this gift.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: And it looked like super tough stud athlete became six
years old on the field presented it to him. Okay,
ready for the next one, All right. Next song on
the album is called Limelight.
Speaker 8: M Linen stage jo J.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 6: This is my favorite song on the album. I think
probably because it's maybe the most radio friendly song on
the album.
Speaker 7: I mean, Tom Sawyer gets tons of plays, but as
far it's a little bit closer to top forty right
here with this one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's got an iconic opening guitar riff. Yeah.
Speaker 7: This was actually the first single released February nineteen eighty one.
This tops out at number fifty five. It doesn't get
close to the top four. I mean, what are we
doing here people in nineteen eighty one?
Speaker 6: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Some things are too sophisticated for people to get behind.
It's true, even if they are the most radio friendly
thing on the album, right right, I mean, come on, okay,
So They hit it big in the US because Cleveland
radio station was listening to new albums. Their first album
had just come out, and they get to working Man
and they're like, this song is exactly what every guy
in Cleveland feels like, and they start playing it on
the radio. And as soon as they start playing it
on the radio, the switchboards start lighting up and the
question is, when's this new led Zeppelin album coming out? Yeah,
it does sound like Leebelin and it's they're they're having
to say it's not led Zeppelin, and it's not super
easy to get the album, but it gets enough traction
through the Cleveland radio they have I would say, a
good success with their debut album, not so much on
their second take.
Speaker 5: That's when Neil joined, and obviously the like as you said,
the first album sounds more like, Yeah, you're typical late
from early seventies bad Company style or led Zeppelin, as
you've mentioned in Lagetty's High Voice. And when fly by
Night came out their second album, of course O'Neil now
says or he's doing the lyrics because Geddy and Alex
didn't want to do the lyrics. They're just doing the music.
And so O'Neil. I think the first the first song
that he wrote for the fly By album was Beneath
Between Behind and if you listen to that thing, it's like,
holy crap, like just the words and this is the
whole history of the US. And that's his first attempt
at writing lyrics, so he knew this was going to
be a very different style of album. I'm getting into
bite on the snow Dog and some other stuff like that,
So it took a very different turn. I think a
lot of people did not take to it because it
was so different from the first album. It took quite
a while for Rush to gain a following after that
first album.
Speaker 7: By the way, I'm just going to interject this the
top five from April fourth, nineteen eighty one, when this
song pops out at number fifty five, There you go.
Number five cry In by Don McLean.
Speaker 6: You guys remember that.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: This in my life. No.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: Number four Kisses on My List by Hollow Notes.
Speaker 8: That's a good one, Yeah, I got them.
Speaker 6: Number three The Best of Times by.
Speaker 7: Sticks Okay, yeah, sorry, that's a good one, right. Number
two Woman by John Lennon and number one, Rapture by Blonde.
Oh right, there's some decent songs on that top five.
Speaker 5: Very different, very different genre there at Russia, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they follow fly By Night up with another album
same year. Fly by Night came out February of seventy five.
Caress of Steel comes out in September of seventy five
and is even finding even less appeal than fly By
Night does. And the record company is like, okay, guys,
this isn't working anymore. We needed to do some radio
friendly hits. You need to incorporate these things that are
popular right now. You need to do these things with
your lyrics, and you need to give us a radio
friendly version or we're dropping you after this album. And they,
being musicians who needed to make money and all had
families that they were providing for, said why don't you.
Speaker 1: Go fick yourself?
Speaker 10: They made an album that is.
Speaker 1: Is it like three songs long? How how long it's
album number four? How many songs do we have? Like?
Speaker 8: Well, twenty one to twelve is the entire first side
of the album.
Speaker 10: Right, songs on the second side.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the album that they come out with the
f you the record company that we're going. If we're
gonna go down, We're gonna go down.
Speaker 4: Our way is twenty one to twelve, which of course
makes them national international phenomenons.
Speaker 6: Which again twenty one twelve.
Speaker 7: If you have never read Ready Player One's key as
Rush fans, you guys have to because they have to
accomplish this task through twenty one twelve.
Speaker 8: So I'll have to lead it.
Speaker 5: I'll have to check it out.
Speaker 1: So, guys, I've I watched you in your text thread.
Speaker 4: Not only were you like discussing your favorite albums and
aspects of each of them, but you were using like
a code for the albums that I was just like, man,
this is just I don't know. I'm glad you guys
are having a good time. I'm just watching here with
eating my popcorn.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: But we've got I mean we after twenty one twelve,
we have a farewell to Kings, then we have Hemispheres
Permanent Waves, and then with the album we're talking about today,
which is Moving Pictures. So this one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
this is their eighth studio album. Of those eight albums,
which one I'll start with you, Tim, which one are
you picking as your number one album.
Speaker 5: My number one is Permanent Waves, which is the one
that came out just before Moving Pictures. That's one has
spirited radio on which you alluded to I think the
top five of nineteen eighty. Yeah, that's my favorite album.
I mean, Moving Pictures is a very close second in
that regard, but I like Permanent Waves just a little
bit better.
Speaker 1: Nice what about you, Brad.
Speaker 8: Mine's a farewell to Kings. I was introduced to Rush
with the exit Sage Left, which was a live album
that came out after Moving Pictures. But when I went
and saw Rush for the first time in concert, they
played Xanadu live and I was on the floor and
there's just just griddle lasers over the top of you,
and it just kind of just enveloped me and took
me away. And then, of course Closer to the Heart
is also on that album. It's a fantastic song. But
the whole song, the whole album, the whole way through
is just rock solid. It's it's my favorite. It's not
really that close either.
Speaker 4: And so as far as live shows go, do you
get would you guys say these is the best live
show you've seen?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, I would say so too. Rush has always
been about the show, about the concerts, and most fans
will tell you that is that I know people that
have seen them like over one hundred times. Yeah, like
they've for all like some some people I know followed
them around almost groupies is going from one down one
town of the next. So yeah, it's just it's addictive
watching the Russian concert.
Speaker 8: And they actually picked up giving the fans the best
show they could give by touring with Kiss. You know,
they had nothing like Kiss. They said, nobody worked harder
than Kiss to make sure fans got their money worth
and they kind of they always kind of stuck with
them and their tour manager, Howard Ungerlider. He actually did
their lights and kind of learned that on the fly
and is largely regarded as one of the best light
guys in the business.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I heard Gene Simmons talking about touring with
these guys and he's like, the best thing about being
a rock musician is even ugly guys like me can
get the girls. And so after a show, I would
have a line of girls at the door, and here
are all these young, good looking guys and they've got
no girls around. I don't understand the good looking fellas
great musicians, and where's Rush. They're at home watching TV
in their hotel.
Speaker 7: There's a documentary that I watched on Rush on their
farewell like their farewell tour or whatever. And I guess
Alex Lifson used to do this funny thing where he
put his hands in his pants and like put his
hands out of his at the bottom of his pants
and put a paper in the back his head, and
he had this kind of funny voice and he said
ace freely.
Speaker 6: Was always like, go.
Speaker 7: Get the bag, man, go get the bag, because he
just thought it was the funniest thing. So, but that
farewell tour, I saw them. They were rehearsing, and you know,
they rehearsed for like two weeks or whatever. And it
was in Tulsa, was at the Bok Center. It's where
they kicked out.
Speaker 5: Okay, it was incredible. I mean Rush even up until
there are forty tour where they're in their early sixties,
no opening band. They're doing three hours of songs and
that's that's how they do it. It's like, it's it's
incredible what they were able to pull off.
Speaker 1: It's like four whole songs for them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Neil Pert, who was of course aging by
this time, was still doing every beat that he did
forty years prior. And it's like, man, his performance, he's
like an athlete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we'll see.
Speaker 5: He was riding motorcycle for probably ten hours of that dating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay.
Speaker 7: Next time in the album is a song called the
Camera Eye.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I remember when these guys when they first
started playing together. Of course they're just playing, you know,
high school dances and stuff like that. They have a
different drummer and lyricist, John Rutzy, but they had they
had listened to several bands, but they weren't particular clearly
into the popular bands at the time.
Speaker 1: They were listening to.
Speaker 4: Yes, we've covered we did obviously broad rock band of
the seventies. And the other one of the other bands
they mentioned was Pink Floyd. This song to me is
from my ear is a blending of those two styles,
a blending of the Rush and Pink Floyd vibe.
Speaker 1: If you will, what do you guys.
Speaker 8: Think If you listen to the first part of this
song and you can hear some hustle and bustle of
a big city. There's cars and honking flin that's actually
taken from the nineteen seventy eight Superman movie and meals.
You know, he actually came up with this song by
walking through both the cities of London and New York
and just kind of picking up on the goings around
the sounds and sights of all those those two cities.
Speaker 1: That's very I mean, that's very Pink Floyd to pull that.
Speaker 8: What do you think I never thought about that, uh,
that relationship, but it does kind of have some Pink
Floyd apt aspects to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hadn't thought of that either, So thanks to.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it takes a new guy to point out something,
you know.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, But Neil actually had spent some time in
London before joining Rush. He was hoping to may I
think it was in the late sixties. There's somebody maybe
Brad you know better, But he was in London at
some point trying to make and he obviously didn't make
it and he came back and rejoined his dad's parts
company again there. So he had some experience in London there,
so he probably had some lyrics and things like that.
Knowing about his head when he spends. But I mean
camera is pretty cool. It's actually it's actually the last
ten minute plus song that rushed recorded.
Speaker 7: Yes, it was this is I mean, just to show
you how intelligent Neil Pert is. I think the title
came from a John the dos Passos novel looking at
America in the Depression. I mean, rather than just calling
it London rocks, you know it just the stuff that
he comes up with is much deeper lyrically, super deep.
Sometimes I don't even know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: So well, I think that's not uncommon.
Speaker 8: You go back to Limelight. He actually quotes Shakespeare in there.
What rott musician doesn't quote Shakespeare?
Speaker 4: Right mentioned John Rutzy. He was the guy, and when
they did their first album, they had leaned on him
to be the lyricist, and once it was time for
the lyrics, John Rutzy was like, I hate these and
just tore them up. And so they had to they
had to. Alex and Getty had to come up with
the lyrics on the fly. I think it was mostly
Alex that came up with most of the lyrics for
their debut album. But then of course once they brought
in Neil, and they first at looking at him, going
this dude's a nerd, like, we're going to have a nerd,
you a nerd in our band, And then they realized
the beauty of not only is this this incredible drummer,
but he's always reading the guy's vocabulary is insane.
Speaker 1: They're like, why don't we have him write the words?
He's got all the words, have him write those down. Yeah,
and that's how he got that job, all right.
Speaker 7: Next song on the album is a song called witch Hunt.
Speaker 5: We just started in the flickering line bases on Twisted
and Grotesque, singing inside in the soldering.
Speaker 6: Night, moves like games.
Speaker 5: Wyatt consints calm in their ride, in their ways on past.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's have a song with a minute long
build involving the dissonant sounds of wind shines and make
everyone terrified by the time we get into this rocking
guitar riff.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about the sun?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's very dark. The opening minute album you're
talking above the where there's wind chises and apparently that
was the rush and the crew going outside the studio
there on a very cold night in December with a
couple of bottles of Scots said, Oh, let's just do
a bunch of ranting and raving, drink ourselves silly, And
that's what came out of that. And uh, they went
on afterwards say that was one of the best moments
we ever had in recording that album. In particularly, they
just had a lot of fun with that one.
Speaker 4: I can see that it's it is definitely unsettling, but
as that moment as the conception of a song, that's
got to be pretty fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: This actually has one of my favorite verses that Neil
ever wrote, and it's the very end of the song.
It's it's very pertinent to today's world too. So it's
quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand, ignorance
and prejudice and fear walcan in hand. Yeah, those few
lines that just say so much. But it's it's very
still appropriate today. Yeah, with social media, you know, I
can't believe everything you read and that kind of thing. Yeah,
I always liked that part of the song.
Speaker 7: I do show that this song was recorded the same
day that John Lennon was shot, and so as they're
kind of working on it, you know, one guy would
go in the other room and be like, oh my gosh,
look at this.
Speaker 5: It's on the news.
Speaker 7: John Lennon was shot and killed. Yeah, so that all
this was taking place at that very night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty well.
Speaker 7: Okay, last song on the album. This song is called
Vital Signs.
Speaker 4: So this song, to me is somebody who's never heard
Rush for the first time and they listen into this,
They're going to go, what kind of music is this?
Speaker 1: And the only answer is it's Rush. This does not
fall into any other category. Like I can't. I can't
think of any similar song in the volumes of music
that we've talked about and listen to. I can't think
of anything that sounds like this.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry to catch off. If you listen closely. This
is when he was hanging out with Stuart Copeland a lot.
This is very much a police song.
Speaker 5: I can see that actually rhythm Andy Summer's guitar at
the beginning, and he he said, he admits as much.
Speaker 8: He's like, you know, I loved what they were doing,
and they were always on the turntable, and I was
really really into them at that point.
Speaker 4: And we've got the they've got the arpeggio, the keys
going right there, the arpeggio synthesizer going on, and.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I suppose I can hear a little
bit of a Police in it, but I don't know
that I would say.
Speaker 8: Picture, yeah, yeah, it would work.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Police were some unique stuff back then too. Though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like the song. I think this is a
good one. It's a good closer for me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's one of their better deep tracks.
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the songs to me that
brings down the rest of the album. It just i've
never really I wouldn't call it a skipper. It's still
a very good song, but it's just so different from
everything else that they were doing up until that point,
and including the album. I mean, I'm glad they didn't
end the album with witch Hunt because I just would
have told you you just would have gone right, give
me something uplifting, please, So I mean, I'm glad they
did it. Apparently they did this song. They recorded the
song in one day. Neil had the lyrics and he
came in with him and Alex and Getty read the
music and they recorded it all done in one day.
So yeah, it's it's a song that the band really
loved and I guess they played it quite extensively for
the next three tours or so, just hoping that the
fans would accept it. I think it took them a
little while for the fans to really gain a prop
appreciation of the song.
Speaker 6: Interesting.
Speaker 5: One of the notes I have is basically like trying
to analyze the lyrics and it's kind of like, what
what are they talking about?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 5: What is the story behind this? And the one thing
I got is basically it's computer, scientific and medical metaphors
to maintain individual integrity. It's always like deviating from the norm,
elevating above the norm. That's mentioned a few times there
in the song.
Speaker 8: What do you think, Brad, Yeah, I mean that's I
don't have anything else other than that. That's you know,
It's always just kind of stuck out to me because,
like I said, so, such a different sounding song, certainly
different sounding for a rush song. Even even that, Yeah,
that reggae rhythm run at the first kind of hooks
me in and yeah, it's it's a good song. It's
it's one of my favorite deep cuts that they did.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, that brings us to the end of Moving Pictures.
Let's bring back Doug Gray. From last week, and let's
hear his final judgment between Rio speed Wagons High Infidelity
Album and Rush Moving Pictures.
Speaker 9: So in my opinion, I'm not a big Rush fan,
obviously since I'm not talking about that album. But Ario
Speak Wagon is something that I'm going to play forward, backwards, sideways.
I'm going to put it on my phone on a
CD player, on a cassette tape. Told Jayson, I don't
play vinyl, but if I did, I played there too,
So for me, it's high infidelity.
Speaker 1: Love it all right?
Speaker 7: Thanks Dougman, Doug Chos, are you Speedwag?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Not surprising right at all. Right, I have a feeling
I know which way two of the other votes are
going to go. So guys, you know, tell us. I'm
not going to prejudge for you, but tell us which
album you're picking. And if you've got experience with high infidelity,
give us that too. And if you get something you
know you want to say in depth about your love
of Rush, hit us with that too.
Speaker 8: Look, I really like R speed Wagon also. I was
trying to see them. I guess it was about a
year ago. They were going to be turning again with
sticks and coming to Jackson, Mississippi, and I was gonna
try to catch it, and then I guess kind of
RSP and kind of broke up. I think they're kind
of back together now again. I'm not sure what the
Kevin Cronin was touring by himself doing the music of
RISP again, but I've always liked Kevin Cronin's voice, and
I always thought Gary Richraff was a great guitarist as well,
and didn't get enough credit because he was in more
of a soft rock band. He's kind of like Terry
cath in Chicago, fantastic guitar player. He just, you know,
kind of his own little element there. But I really
liked Rspeedwagon. But having said that, I mean, Rush is
my all time favorite band, and they always have been.
I mean I was exposed to him when I was
about twelve years old and I've been listening to him
ever since, and both fantastic albums. I still listened to
Ario to this day, but Rush is I probably got
about eight or nine different Rush playlists saved on my
phone that I listened to just depend on what mood
I'm in. They will always be my favorite band, moving
pictures all day for me.
Speaker 1: Good how about you too.
Speaker 5: Well, I was in high school at the time. Maybe
I'm the old one here fifty nine, so I think
it was in grade ten of that year. And I
remember Ario Speedwagon the High Infidelity album was huge in
high school. Everybody was listening to that, and then of
course the Moving Pictures album came out shortly after that.
But I mean, you know, I've got some fond memories
of Ario Speedwagon back in the day. They have some
great songs, excellent musicians, and they made some great music.
But now I got again for as far as consistent
musicianship and longevity, just the lyrics of Rush, of Neil
and what he did, and just that the fact that
the well, Rush is a Canadian band, so I have
a little bias there too. But there's are three great
guys that really did not get into a whole lot
of trouble as far as sex and drugs and all that.
Not that they were good, clean kids, but it's just
I guess the media for some reason, Rush always kind
of flew a little bit under the radar, and so
they weren't getting all the attention of maybe Kiss or
some of the other bands were. But I think overall,
really I have to always sign with Rush. I'm just
they then spillits me so much over the last forty
forty five years that I've been listening to them, and
I just there's no other band them, So always said Rush.
Speaker 4: Well that's we're not surprised, and I think that's a
that's a great take. Okay, So right now it's one
vote Ario speed Wagon, two votes for Rush. Jason, Yeah,
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 7: Uh So, while i appreciate Rush, and I'm certainly glad
to have you guys on here, and I'm glad we
went through this album. I'm mostly a top forty kind
of guy, and as Ario Speedwagon was a little more
at the top of the top forty.
Speaker 6: Obviously, we talked about that.
Speaker 7: I if I'm walking out the door, I'm grabbing high
in fidelity first, So that leaves you to break the tie.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we got two votes for Ario, two votes
for Rush. I am the tie breaker, yes, sir, Okay.
Speaker 4: So these are both incredible albums, neither of which had
I listened to in their totality before we did this podcast.
So I'm coming into most of the song with new Ears.
I really enjoy both albums.
Speaker 6: A lot.
Speaker 4: I think they're obviously, like you said, more radio friendly
Ario Speedwagon songs, more Ario Speedwagon songs that I can
sing along to, which you would think, okay, well then
you're going to pick that one to walk out the door.
But the musicianship with the Rush songs is so incredible,
and the powerhouses of the radio hits of Tom Sawyer
and of Limelight and of Why Wiz. They're so big
and they're so unique and so precise and so amazing
in their musicianship. I would take I'm at the end
of the day, I'm picking moving pictures to take with
me to just sit and listen in awe and try
to imagine being able to play like they play and
figure out how they do what they do.
Speaker 6: Actually, I thought you might do that just based on
you being a musician.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well fantastic, Brad. Thank you for being here, Tim,
thank you for We're so glad to have you guys,
and get to know you guys.
Speaker 1: Next week, d what we got.
Speaker 7: Next week we are doing our top five songs of
nineteen eighty six. You're top five, My top five, right,
mano Imano.
Speaker 1: Mano Imano?
Speaker 4: All right, Well, okay, guys, so if you listening to
this one, go hit your YouTube or Spotify list to
see what songs came out in eighty six or we're
big hits in eighty six. We're not precise about what
makes it eighty six. Just if it's eighty six to us,
that's what it is. It qualifies as one of the songs.
But we will not be talking about any of the
albums that we have covered or will be covering, So
those are us are off the table gone. Maybe you
unique list, So guys, come back for that one. You'll
Hearry Jason's top five my top five.
Speaker 1: Guys. Thanks so much for coming and joining us.
Speaker 4: I am so happy that we were able to acquire
not one, but two of the ultimate Rush fans of
the world.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us.
Speaker 8: Well, thank you for having us a great time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, thank you guys so much for being
good supporters of the podcast. I can't tell you how
much it means to us. We love all of the
people that we've met. We love we get when we
get to have you guys come on and co host
with us. It's it's just amazing that we're reaching people
for all from down in Louisiana all the way up
to Canada. It's a it's blowing my mind. But thank
you guys very much. We will see the rest of
you on our next episode.
Speaker 6: Thanks guys.
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Excuse me, thank you, Dragon, Drag and Field, you know whatever.
Speaker 5: He's a running one instead of a car.
Speaker 6: Sports Illustrated. I'm not sure what you wanted.
Speaker 1: It did not take great there