Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: I'll take what.
Speaker 3: I well, what's up? Everybody? Welcome to another Headless's magical
Speaker 3: mail bag. I'm driven by my co houst Nick Nick.
Speaker 3: Tell them what you're working on? Tell him what you
Speaker 3: got coming out?
Speaker 4: What is up?
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: What am I working on? I just finished?
Speaker 4: Uh I got you down a Bruno Part two coming
Speaker 4: out tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But I just finished and uploaded to to premiere.
Speaker 4: I think the week after that, I got some uh Jabir,
Speaker 4: I've been high end coming out. He's kind of considered
Speaker 4: like one of the first alchemists. He is known as
Speaker 4: the father of chemistry. So interesting guy. And uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I got working some other stuff too. Oh we got
Speaker 4: Supper in the Rainbow went out tomorrow too for all
Speaker 4: of us.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's gonna be a big one. That's gonna
Speaker 3: be a big one. I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: want to get in on that. This is you know,
Speaker 3: it's like an obsession. Like once I saw that first
Speaker 3: in Search of with Leonard Nimoy way back to the day,
Speaker 3: and I saw the zombies, I'm like, what the hell
Speaker 3: is going on? I gotta know more about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just looking into that movie to even like polish
Speaker 4: up on my own zombie stuff, like cause I didn't
Speaker 4: know much, but I even learned, like even in their
Speaker 4: own like even in Haiti, there's more than one like
Speaker 4: kind of version of a zombie. I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: You can either be like actually, you know, died and
Speaker 4: came back, or you're controlled by somebody. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's a little freaky.
Speaker 3: Right right. It's a very bizarre and yet very perennial
Speaker 3: idea of these people being controlled by a magician. And
Speaker 3: now and now we have these.
Speaker 2: Same shit right a box. There's multiple magicians in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we got more than one.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what politics and social media is all
Speaker 4: about now, is which magician can be the most powerful
Speaker 4: on that fucking phone.
Speaker 3: Well, politics means many texts, many parasites. Let's get into
Speaker 3: your let's get into your image first. Let's get into
Speaker 3: your symbol.
Speaker 4: Let's see Yeah, yeah, we got a praxis here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that is a cock headed serpent leg the sigul
Speaker 4: there or image image. So yeah, I know there has
Speaker 4: been I think there's other versions that we have seen
Speaker 4: of a praxis or things like that close to that,
Speaker 4: but uh, I don't think we've covered it before, so yeah,
Speaker 4: this is basically.
Speaker 2: It is a an oval.
Speaker 4: O lentil shaped gemstone, sometimes Jasper hematite or Calcedoni engraved,
Speaker 4: and so we can be pressed like a seal. On
Speaker 4: it stands a being with a rooster's head, a human
Speaker 4: torso and armor, and two serpent two serpents for legs
Speaker 4: in one hand normally as a whip, and in the
Speaker 4: other hand is a round shield that sometimes bears a
Speaker 4: holy name or stars or small auxiliary.
Speaker 2: Deity may hover nearby.
Speaker 4: Curators label to figure a brax a braxis or ab
Speaker 4: r a s A x classic examples as usual sits
Speaker 4: in the British Museum. They are a metropolitan. It seems
Speaker 4: like all these things around. Archaeologically, the Braxis gem cluster
Speaker 4: is in the second or third centuries. It's found across
Speaker 4: across the Eastern Mediterranean and the wider Roman Empire. The
Speaker 4: British Museum catalogs multiple Late Roman pieces with full iconography,
Speaker 4: again with the whip, with the shield and the serpents,
Speaker 4: often with reverse inscriptions behind the object sits a contemporary
Speaker 4: name tradition. By the early third century, Christians like Hippolytis
Speaker 4: report that followers of the Alexandrian teacher Bastillia or even
Speaker 4: b A. S I L I d e s spoke
Speaker 4: of three hundred and sixty five heavens ruled by a
Speaker 4: great Arkhan of Braxis. The name letters the name's letters
Speaker 4: summing by Greek isosophy to three hundred and sixty fives
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty five. So I don't know whatever
Speaker 4: he actually taught. The coincidence of the name and number
Speaker 4: and eror helps explain why a three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: five charged deity proliferates on amulets.
Speaker 2: Then, so I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Greek isosify I said that wrong before, But yeah, that
Speaker 4: is like basically Jamatria.
Speaker 2: But for that.
Speaker 4: Who made them, they were specialist products of the same
Speaker 4: lapetry industry that cut Roman signet rings.
Speaker 2: A soft stone was carved in a taglio.
Speaker 4: Which that is like a wave of so you compress
Speaker 4: it to make a seal, then hard fired or polished.
Speaker 4: The gem was set in bronze or gold, or carried
Speaker 4: as a loose amulet. Because they're I'm not even sure
Speaker 4: if I'm saying this correct. Itaglios. They were meant to
Speaker 4: stamp clay or wax, branding parcels, jars, or personal kits
Speaker 4: with a protective impress, while also being worn for you're
Speaker 4: gonna show more force. Museum records routinely note inscribed reverses
Speaker 4: and stuff that marked them as magical instruments rather than
Speaker 4: mere ornaments. What the image meant in ancient readings. Praxis
Speaker 4: is a name powered composite built from pieces every Roman
Speaker 4: viewer under stood. The rooster signals light and vigilance. On
Speaker 4: some gems, this shield is inscribed with I ao interesting,
Speaker 4: the Hellenized form of the tetragram, a power name found
Speaker 4: yeah all over the Greek magical papyri. The serpent legs
Speaker 4: mark katonic reach and bound breaking mobility. UH stars and
Speaker 4: seven raid signs point to astrol jurisdiction. British museum pieces,
Speaker 4: even pair of braxis with well, that's interesting, harp all
Speaker 4: cross the horus, the child on the lotus a solar
Speaker 4: echo inside the same tiny field. That is interesting. That is,
Speaker 4: whenever when you do the sinus silence, you know. Crowley
Speaker 4: specifies that in his UH his rituals and then even
Speaker 4: the other ones that he took from the Golden door
Speaker 4: or whatever. And uh, you know, either the sinus silence
Speaker 4: or it could be called the sign of horpark cross.
Speaker 4: So very interesting.
Speaker 2: Um.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the number three sixty five again anchors the figure
Speaker 4: and cosmic totality rule over every day of the year.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly why Hippolytis summarizes Basilidian.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was a guy's name.
Speaker 4: Basolidian lore Scholars now read many a Braxis gems less
Speaker 4: as sect badges and more as Greco Egyptian magical amulets
Speaker 4: that borrow the name for its charge and the piper.
Speaker 4: We refined invocations like Iao sabbath at Anie of Braxis,
Speaker 4: names stacked to compel and protect, matching what cutters engraved
Speaker 4: on stones and shields. What people did with them again
Speaker 4: they worm, they warm was rings or pendants for protection
Speaker 4: and success. They stamped with them. Again I mentioned the taglio.
Speaker 4: If I'm saying that correctly, face could seal clay, you know,
Speaker 4: and you can push stuff on, you know, whatever press it.
Speaker 2: They spoke to them.
Speaker 4: The PGM preserves the words those gems advertise. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: whatever it's on there, you could pretty much. I guess,
Speaker 4: kind of almost like a mantra with it. You would
Speaker 4: speak into it whatever's written on there. And uh again,
Speaker 4: like if I guess, if you wanted to try to
Speaker 4: see these things, the British Museum has them, and the
Speaker 4: Getty Museum has them, and the Istanbul Archaeological Museum has them.
Speaker 4: So if anybody's just happens to be around by any
Speaker 4: of those, you know, you can go check it out.
Speaker 4: But uh here, let me let me let me also
Speaker 4: see if I got uh, I got others. Sorry, I
Speaker 4: got other images that I could show that would be better.
Speaker 4: I just can't change it is. When you start getting
Speaker 4: like the writing on there.
Speaker 2: There, you go.
Speaker 3: Very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry and throw it there. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: pull it up so people.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, that's really good. The thing that I
Speaker 3: noticed the most is the direction of the heads of
Speaker 3: those snake legs. Right, so if you're thinking snake legs,
Speaker 3: you're thinking of snake tails, but you can clearly see
Speaker 3: the heads on those snake legs.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so it's it's.
Speaker 3: Reversed, right. So there is the chariot card, right, the
Speaker 3: chariot tear of the chariot card is supposed to have
Speaker 3: snake legs, and those snake legs are the tails of
Speaker 3: the snake. That's more of like the Ericthonian version of
Speaker 3: the snake legs and the Abraxis version of the snake
Speaker 3: legs is having the heads pointing out.
Speaker 4: That is actually, yeah, that's it's pretty cool that you
Speaker 4: noticed it, because even like it's not snakes is probably
Speaker 4: even like fish. But even like with Sumerian anything else
Speaker 4: that I've actually ever seen normally, it's not like you're saying,
Speaker 4: it's always like the end. It's like the tail of
Speaker 4: the fin. It's never actually the head. I didn't really
Speaker 4: think of that, and I'm sure that means something.
Speaker 3: Well, if I was going to give a vague generalization
Speaker 3: idea of it, it would be that all parts of
Speaker 3: this deity are conscious, all parts are looking outward right.
Speaker 3: The three sixty five is also an indicator of that too,
Speaker 3: looking outward.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So also that's why you would put them on all
Speaker 3: of these seals and stuff, is because all parts are
Speaker 3: looking outward. It's the ultimate in defense three sixty five
Speaker 3: looking in all directions at once, and also having that shield,
Speaker 3: you know, being the symbol of defense obviously, and the whip.
Speaker 3: Everything must move as I order it too, right, three
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five.
Speaker 4: Heavens even a good idea of air too, sounds.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you get this, Okay. So the middle part
Speaker 3: of this deity is a man, but the top and
Speaker 3: the bottom parts are animal. So it's like the heart
Speaker 3: of a man, right, and then the head of a chicken,
Speaker 3: and the body and the legs of a snake. Somebody
Speaker 3: in the chat was saying, it's the feathered serpent as well,
Speaker 3: but it's the feathered serpent of man, right, because in
Speaker 3: the middle you've got the ability to use tools and
Speaker 3: the ability to influence other things. And we see another.
Speaker 4: Boh, that's you know what's interesting. That is like a
Speaker 4: big difference between us and animals. Yeah, the fact that
Speaker 4: you can you know, like when you see two thousand
Speaker 4: and one, you know, the monkey picks up the stick
Speaker 4: and realizes it can use something, and fucking shit goes
Speaker 4: haywire after that.
Speaker 3: Right. And it's funny because you know what they were
Speaker 3: talking about with the chicken head. That means ever vigilant
Speaker 3: in Roman mysticism, right, because the the rooster is the
Speaker 3: first one to crow in the morning, right, And he's
Speaker 3: always he's always keeping an eye out for any sort
Speaker 3: of danger during the day. So it's it's almost like
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can get past this guy. He's always
Speaker 3: watching you.
Speaker 4: Is he also associated with Hermes? Oh yeah, he would
Speaker 4: be of air, and I would just say that whip
Speaker 4: might work with that.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I would say, it's the snakes that remind me more
Speaker 3: of Hermes than the than the head, but I don't
Speaker 3: know why. Like for me, it's the it's the legs
Speaker 3: that represent Hermes on this one.
Speaker 4: But you know that's really interesting because again the snake's
Speaker 4: on the caduces and then the rooster for Hermes, like
Speaker 4: it's totally Hermes really if you think about it now,
Speaker 4: a lot of Hermes.
Speaker 3: Right, but Hermes transcends all barriers. There's no barrier that
Speaker 3: can hold him back.
Speaker 2: That's why human I mean man in man and animals
Speaker 2: maybe I don't.
Speaker 3: Know who knows, right, but there are these like vague
Speaker 3: sort of like brushstrokes where you can see other gods
Speaker 3: and other things in it, and you could see how
Speaker 3: they can get from point A to point B. And
Speaker 3: yet when you show it to somebody who has no
Speaker 3: initiation into the you know symbols and stuff. Look, he's
Speaker 3: holding his hand out on the supplant's head, right. The
Speaker 3: suppliants is like, you know, bowing and you know, begging
Speaker 3: for respect in the and the braxis he is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's genuflecting, certainly, But why is he genuflecting on a
Speaker 3: sloped surface?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: I did find that weird. I was like, is that
Speaker 2: just how they drew it to her?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Why is it like angled down?
Speaker 4: Like? I don't know.
Speaker 3: It could be an indicator of where you're supposed to
Speaker 3: pray for the protection, like this has to be done
Speaker 3: on like a down slope of a hill.
Speaker 4: Maybe then you even have that's the shield I forgot. Okay,
Speaker 4: I was wondering what that was hands.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Is that the shield? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a shield. He's holding both the whip.
Speaker 4: And the shields.
Speaker 3: Good because he's reaching out to the supplying. How do
Speaker 3: you say, do you say suppliant or supplient?
Speaker 4: That's how I've heard it.
Speaker 3: And it says j a I again. So the Egyptians
Speaker 3: would call yahweh worshipers donkey worshippers because they could hear
Speaker 3: the yow yow, kind of like a donkey does when it's.
Speaker 2: Bray Democrats, and so.
Speaker 3: Donkey is a very potent symbol, Like people sleep on
Speaker 3: that donkey, you could see all throughout history. Well yeah,
Speaker 3: but for very different reasons. You know.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting, Elephants like can know when somebody
Speaker 4: dies and they're not even near them. Like there's a
Speaker 4: there was I was watching the thing on Uh he
Speaker 4: was on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Uh it was elephants that uh.
Speaker 4: They some guy ended up like being associated with these
Speaker 4: elephants for some reason, and they ended up, you know,
Speaker 4: he went his own way and they went their own
Speaker 4: way eventually, I think, like they were they were young,
Speaker 4: and then they they went somewhere else or whatever. And
Speaker 4: one day this guy died and somehow these motherfuckers knew
Speaker 4: and showed up in his house and stood there for
Speaker 4: a while, just like I guess, you know, doing service,
Speaker 4: and then just fucking turned around and went home. People
Speaker 4: were like, how the fuck did these things know this
Speaker 4: guy died? Like they came days later, Like that is weird.
Speaker 3: Well, there there's always this element of fear to the
Speaker 3: Braxis thing, like his his presence almost evokes a kind
Speaker 3: of fear. You know, it's like you must be prostrate
Speaker 3: before him, you must be on the ground. You have to,
Speaker 3: you know, be bowing to this thing. This thing is
Speaker 3: the highest of the heights. But it's just kind of
Speaker 3: odd because you know, you've got the yahweh in there
Speaker 3: as well, the yao, right, so yahweh is in the
Speaker 3: braxis as well. But it's it seems to me that
Speaker 3: the classical world and the classical form of association was
Speaker 3: more about brush strokes as opposed to definite mathematical certainty.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just more like this is similar to that,
Speaker 3: this is similar to this, and then it all sort
Speaker 3: of comes together, and then you're like left with the mystery,
Speaker 3: and that mystery is there for the person who's looking
Speaker 3: on to figure out for themselves, you know who.
Speaker 4: This reminds me of two fucking boh of it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: big time, eh, And like listen, I don't know, but
Speaker 4: sometimes I honestly there's other things that I've seen that
Speaker 4: fry to Baphamet that was very close to it, Like
Speaker 4: I mentioned, Heinrich Conrath. Sometimes I do honestly think that
Speaker 4: that's just an image that was created a certain way.
Speaker 4: So people are like, oh my god, it's horrible because
Speaker 4: like you've seen I don't countless other versions of it
Speaker 4: like this and other things. That's like, it's actually deep
Speaker 4: meaning here doesn't mean like you know, you're fucking like
Speaker 4: fucking kids will worship and seen.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, it's that gnosis is a mangle that
Speaker 3: really throws people off is because they're not really understanding
Speaker 3: that magic was kind of a way of life back then,
Speaker 3: and so all of these gnostic rituals and stuff was
Speaker 3: an elevation of that particular form, right.
Speaker 2: Right, And then this one or whoever looks.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hold up the show either, go
Speaker 4: on for eighteen minutes just with my thing.
Speaker 3: But well, is that a harp? Seem a heart?
Speaker 2: I don't know what?
Speaker 3: In fact, in his other hand.
Speaker 2: It looks like the whip and I don't know, some
Speaker 2: weird looking shield.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know it is circular. These are pable symbols.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, what does that say?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is that even Greek that doesn't look
Speaker 3: like Greek doesn't look like Latin either, other than the
Speaker 3: E and the I, some.
Speaker 4: Ship out of a I don't know. Yeah, prior from
Speaker 4: the grip I was gonna look like it looks like
Speaker 4: something out of the grip Is book, but it's a
Speaker 4: way older, all right, All.
Speaker 3: Right, well I got my cycle here for the labyrinth. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have been paying attention,
Speaker 3: but these are one of those things I used to
Speaker 3: like to draw in high school. You know, it's basically
Speaker 3: across with a couple of dots in it, and then
Speaker 3: you connect the dots to the straight lines and you
Speaker 3: create this sort of labyrinth type figure that spreads from
Speaker 3: one section to the other. Now, these are considered meditative labyrinths.
Speaker 3: The original purpose we don't know, because it stretches back
Speaker 3: to about four thousand years ago. That's when we start
Speaker 3: to see these geoglyphs being put onto the ground. What's
Speaker 3: assumed is that this would be a meditative practice where
Speaker 3: you're walking the labyrinth. So you would come in here
Speaker 3: right where that opening is, and take it all like
Speaker 3: right there at the bottom, take it up to the top,
Speaker 3: cross back over, cross back over, across back over until
Speaker 3: you're right there in the middle. And so this procession
Speaker 3: would almost be like a spatial representation like prayer. Beads, right,
Speaker 3: So each time you're passing through these channels, you're changing
Speaker 3: up your prayer as you're getting closer and closer to
Speaker 3: the center. And then you would do the same thing
Speaker 3: in reverse as you're leaving the labyrinth, right. And so
Speaker 3: there's a really cool one right outside of the Edgar
Speaker 3: Casey Memorial Library in Virginia Beach, and it's it's way
Speaker 3: bigger than this, but you can add as many dots
Speaker 3: and straight lines as you want to. You just keep
Speaker 3: bisecting each one of the quadrants, so you can keep
Speaker 3: making more and more of these pathways as you extend
Speaker 3: the image out further, so it's fully scalable.
Speaker 2: Someone saying it's the post.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you also have these in cathedrals as well, And
Speaker 3: they're trying to say that these are related to demons
Speaker 3: in motherboards for some reason. That's really uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's tenuous at best, But as with all figures that
Speaker 3: fascinate people, they have to be evil. But I think
Speaker 3: these were most closely related to geomantic energies. You know,
Speaker 3: so in a lot of ways, you would have geomantic
Speaker 3: energies that would terrify people, right, you would get into
Speaker 3: these lay lines or these you know, stone monuments, and
Speaker 3: the energies hitting your body would be overwhelming, and you
Speaker 3: had to go through this as if it was an initiation,
Speaker 3: a right of manhood, something where you could actually still
Speaker 3: maintain your consciousness while being bombarded with different earthly energies.
Speaker 3: And yeah, people do pass out from this stuff. If
Speaker 3: you look up Glastonbury, what is it fainting Glastonbury fainting
Speaker 3: people like all these visitors over to Glastonbury, they could
Speaker 3: be overcome with this energy and fall over and hit
Speaker 3: their heads and shit, it's not uncommon at all. So
Speaker 3: we're talking about magnetic waves that are enough to knock
Speaker 3: a person out, and you've got to go through that
Speaker 3: as kind of an initiation, which I think is kind
Speaker 3: of interesting because people don't really associate the subtle energies
Speaker 3: with being weaponized. But I can guarantee you that if
Speaker 3: there are geomancers out there, which have you ever looked
Speaker 3: up geomanty nick, they call it coin flipping. Yeah, where's
Speaker 3: this stuff about the geoglyphs? How do you construct a geoglyph?
Speaker 3: How are the symbols of geoglyphs that were made by
Speaker 3: let's say Europeans related to the stuff by South Americans. Right,
Speaker 3: do we have any cross cultural analysis of geoglyphs that
Speaker 3: are made in these different areas. Now, it's like almost
Speaker 3: nobody's studying the geomantic forces and the geoglyphs themselves. Even
Speaker 3: the dowsers, like they have scant theories. Like I have
Speaker 3: noticed that there are very few dowsers that are willing
Speaker 3: to like actually make a claim as to what they're seeing.
Speaker 3: It could be because they're being paid not to. Like,
Speaker 3: there aren't many dowsers out there. And if you have
Speaker 3: a monopolization on the dowsers, you have a monopolization on
Speaker 3: understanding these earth energies from one generation.
Speaker 2: To the next.
Speaker 3: Like, that's an immense amount of power if you think
Speaker 3: about influencing the future, creating different spells in the earth itself.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you remember that I can kill thirty
Speaker 3: three ritual?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've heard.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you what it is, but I've heard
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: It's centered around truth and consequences New Mexico. Right, So
Speaker 3: on this lay line or on this you know parallel, right,
Speaker 3: You've got these rituals taking place that will then go
Speaker 3: on to influence the rest of the country. And the
Speaker 3: guy who wrote it was talking about how the nuclear
Speaker 3: bomb was related to the Kennedy assassination, right, and it
Speaker 3: all had to do with Freemasons. It's one of the first,
Speaker 3: like Schizo posted, you know, kind of off the wall
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories back in the nineteen sixties and seventies. Nobody's
Speaker 3: found the guy who wrote it, right, and it was
Speaker 3: perpetuated by a guy who has sort of been in
Speaker 3: the background of the conspiracy movement for a long long time.
Speaker 3: And so, you know what is King Kill thirty three?
Speaker 3: I looked into it myself. I found references back to
Speaker 3: the Golden Bough by James George Fraser, right, the Dying
Speaker 3: God at the Lake Nemi, which you know kind of
Speaker 3: takes us back into geomancy because we have all of
Speaker 3: those elements of Lake Nemi in Washington, d C. And
Speaker 3: you've got this King Kill thirty three, which is a
Speaker 3: Masonic ritual about killing the King with the Golden Bough
Speaker 3: type you know time frame. So I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot more to geomancy than flipping coins. Oh yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: we just don't have access to it. And it's really
Speaker 3: odd that we don't. You'd think somebody would be looking
Speaker 3: into this stuff. You know, at least one or two
Speaker 3: independent researchers, But all we have is geoglyphs like this one.
Speaker 3: So I guess the moral of the story is you
Speaker 3: got to walk the elaborate more often to get the
Speaker 3: answers to these questions.
Speaker 2: Bump into da if you do? Was he big on
Speaker 2: that he was in the movie Labyrinth?
Speaker 4: Wasn't he?
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that's right. I got a crystal ball.
Speaker 3: I can see if I could do the same thing
Speaker 3: he was doing. All right, let's see, Uh, what kind
Speaker 3: of mail do we have? If any?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Oh god, h this worries me that you don't look
Speaker 5: at the ship before you open. Nope, all right, it's
Speaker 5: like one day he's just gonna like start reading something
Speaker 5: and like be running off of it and be like,
Speaker 5: oh fuck, did I just say what I think?
Speaker 3: I just all right, let's see here. We got a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff by you, and oh yeah those are
Speaker 3: sorry those yeah, I got a bunch of scheduled locations.
Speaker 3: But I don't have any mail, So guys, what the fuck? Please,
Speaker 3: if you've had a dream, if you've had some sort
Speaker 3: of experience that you can't explain, send it to me
Speaker 3: Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com, and we will
Speaker 3: read it on the air. There's a reason to.
Speaker 2: Get people on. If they're willing to come on too,
Speaker 2: that could be fun.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we love having people on the show, especially if
Speaker 3: you're a listener.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: I mean, actually haven't we have Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 4: two people we've had on the show were actually listeners.
Speaker 3: Right. I had the people from Canada where they were
Speaker 3: talking about their experience with that weird dude. That was
Speaker 3: all part of the mail bag as well. So if
Speaker 3: you've had any bizarre experiences, I know at least three
Speaker 3: or four if you have listening right now, people.
Speaker 2: In the chat that I know for a fact you've
Speaker 2: got crazy stories.
Speaker 4: I could see it.
Speaker 3: I can smell it on you.
Speaker 2: I've some of them already.
Speaker 3: So give me those stories. Hell This Giant Podcast at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com, Yes, sir, and we will read those
Speaker 3: on Thursdays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so what do we uh you know again tomorrow?
Speaker 4: We got separated in the rainbow. We got Annie joining.
Speaker 6: Us yeah yeah, yeah, it'll be me you, Robbie Marks
Speaker 6: and I think Jules, Yeah it should be fun in
Speaker 6: him right, and then we got what Peter Mark Adams.
Speaker 4: I think, uh, for Mithrus one of these days, and
Speaker 4: then uh, that same day I ended up. I didn't
Speaker 4: even realize that I booked I think two people on
Speaker 4: the same day. And I have also somebody from my
Speaker 4: astrology as well that same day, Simon Picall. So yeah,
Speaker 4: and then I think, then Monday, it sucks. It's during
Speaker 4: the day, dude, I really wish it wasn't during the day.
Speaker 2: Oh no, maybe it's at night.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, pet Newman, I think it's during the day.
Speaker 3: You know, No, I I just quit right.
Speaker 2: Oh so then he could come on awesome. Yo.
Speaker 4: I actually had people that I was scheduling, and I
Speaker 4: was like, fuck man like because that during the day.
Speaker 4: I was like, I kind of was like pushing it off,
Speaker 4: all right, I got it, all right, cool. I didn't
Speaker 4: think about that. Nice nice all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I think I even have somebody coming off her
Speaker 4: Italian Uh, Italian witchcraft. I think next week during the day,
Speaker 4: if you're around Strad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what got me into this whole thing.
Speaker 2: She's got the ladies more well.
Speaker 4: She won't talk about personal life, but she covers it
Speaker 4: from an academic because she does have a PhD in
Speaker 4: the ship. So you know, I couldn't tell you if
Speaker 4: she practices it or not, but she, you know, on
Speaker 4: a piece of paper, so she has somewhat of an idea.
Speaker 4: But she's well known. She's well known in the occult community.
Speaker 4: I was actually surprised she'd come.
Speaker 3: She came on, well, I might get a little bit spicy.
Speaker 3: I might ask her about Margot Adler and drawing down
Speaker 3: the moon.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was definitely yeah.
Speaker 4: I'll suit you over the invites as soon as we
Speaker 4: get off here for the shows during the day. I
Speaker 4: didn't I totally wasn't thinking about that. I totally was
Speaker 4: not thinking about that. Nice.
Speaker 3: Well, we gotta still do that Wicker episode, dude, that's
Speaker 3: what really brings it all together.
Speaker 4: Dude, RecA, Yeah, yeah, we should do that. That is
Speaker 4: so interesting. I think a lot of people into witchcraft
Speaker 4: might be a little surprised. And again, it's not knocking
Speaker 4: the guy. It's just, you know, if anything, he was
Speaker 4: just more into ceremonial magic I think before he started Wicker,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I know a lot of a lot.
Speaker 3: Of there's also a bunch of festivals and like camping
Speaker 3: retreats and a bunch of stories from those events that
Speaker 3: are just fucking balkers. Oh yeah, definitely, So that'll be
Speaker 3: fun to do. I mean it's almost like a forensic
Speaker 3: side to get a pick part of the pieces with
Speaker 3: Robert loved especially work, and we got illustrations. I got
Speaker 3: Uncle Bucky's big blue.
Speaker 4: Books Buckling Holy Ship. That was the most driest fucking
Speaker 4: book I think I ever read.
Speaker 3: Which one the blue bunch of them?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, actually, yeah, I think anything by him. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying it's bad, it's just very straight. It was
Speaker 4: just very dry to me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of information in those books.
Speaker 3: And he has quizzes at the end of the chapters.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's like the different end of the occult spectrum. Right,
Speaker 3: you got the the all the Crowley stuff over here,
Speaker 3: and then you got all the uh Gerald Gardner stuff
Speaker 3: over here, and they're supposedly different, but they've got so
Speaker 3: much in common it's almost ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's uh yeah, I mean, uh Crowley again gave
Speaker 4: General Jokoda was a student in his and he gave him.
Speaker 4: He gave him permission to even open up a lodge,
Speaker 4: and the guy was like, I guess he was like, nah,
Speaker 4: I'll go with Wicka. I'm gonna make that up. It's
Speaker 4: probably a little bit more profitable.
Speaker 3: He was way too into spanking women in the forest.
Speaker 4: He's he's he's like, we can't do that in the
Speaker 4: hotel Gnostic Mass actually, believe it or not, I can't
Speaker 4: just slap a women's asses.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have to stop my own ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean even the other thing too.
Speaker 4: I mean it was he kind of made the right
Speaker 4: choice because at that point, like you're still like, you know,
Speaker 4: subject to like, you know, Crowley's the god in that
Speaker 4: whole aura you create. Wicka, you're the god now of
Speaker 4: that whole fucking thing. So you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: instead of being under like you know, he wanted fame
Speaker 4: for himself and that you know Crowley.
Speaker 3: Well, they were both British government acts.
Speaker 2: Probably no, they were, well I believe.
Speaker 3: No, I know for a fact. So they were having
Speaker 3: a problem because the the the Germans had a type
Speaker 3: of map viewing that involved the pendulums, right, and so
Speaker 3: they were able to actually hunt submarines using pendulum dowsing
Speaker 3: on maps, and so they got Gerald Gardner to do
Speaker 3: the patented code of power wick a ceremony to block
Speaker 3: German dowsers from being able to see their submarines. And
Speaker 3: it worked, And if you think about it, it kind
Speaker 3: of makes sense. It's like, how do you block magic? Magic?
Speaker 5: Yo?
Speaker 4: So you get to start like you shit, like this
Speaker 4: is like yo. So when like you know, uh what
Speaker 4: is face?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Jack Parsons, like you know, had that whole fiasco with
Speaker 4: the boat and taking out el Aron Hubbin's boat, It's like, yo,
Speaker 4: are these just retellings of the same story. Were just
Speaker 4: changing the times because again, now you're going back to
Speaker 4: Gardner and Crawley talking about shitting water, and then you
Speaker 4: go back to Parsons and Hubbard and you're going back
Speaker 4: to some fucking shit in the water.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's so recursive. All of these things have have really
Speaker 3: strong ties to water and being recursive, like they play
Speaker 3: out over and over again throughout history. Look at John d.
Speaker 3: John Dy had a similar thing going on with mapping
Speaker 3: the oceans and having these storms and shit. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a recursive element to all of these magicians having
Speaker 3: to do with the Atlantic Ocean yo.
Speaker 4: Edgar Gore Observations asking a good question though, he says,
Speaker 4: was he spanking in the woods or was he just
Speaker 4: spanking his wood?
Speaker 2: Could be either one.
Speaker 4: With that guy, we're gonna have to get into the
Speaker 4: fivefold kiss The fivefold kisses important.
Speaker 3: And then you've also got the binding rituals that they
Speaker 3: would do with each other. And then you know he
Speaker 3: liked to also slap women's butts, naked women's butts. That's
Speaker 3: that's one of his things. That's part of these rituals
Speaker 3: different degrees, and so you know he was into a
Speaker 3: different esthetic. Like it still had that go oldenn Core
Speaker 3: central message, right, but it was a different esthetic. So
Speaker 3: instead of like, you know, being sex freaks in a church,
Speaker 3: they were sex freaks in nature.
Speaker 2: Picky poison, I just feel like that.
Speaker 4: But so somewhere somewhere in there there's somebody who's just like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take advantage of people so I can get laid.
Speaker 3: Of course, right, if you look at Cash Battel, you
Speaker 3: can kind of understand these guys. They're desperate nerds, right,
Speaker 3: and now they've got a little bit of power.
Speaker 2: Yo. You know that goes from Long Island too.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I didn't know that until recently makes sense.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this fucking idiot. I heard Jim brou was like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you know Cash Metel. I was like all
Speaker 4: excited because he's from Long Island too, and he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm from Long Island. I'm like, oh man, this motherfuckers
Speaker 4: from Long Island.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, God damn, I wish I would have
Speaker 2: gone to school with this.
Speaker 4: The fucker.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable dude. He's suing a guy for five million dollars. Well,
Speaker 3: his critic friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that she should.
Speaker 3: He put out a fucking picture that he didn't say
Speaker 3: anything about the picture, but he just put out the picture,
Speaker 3: and they're they're gonna try and sue him for five
Speaker 3: million dollars for thought crime.
Speaker 4: Unreal, Yo, if that went through, that would be such censorship,
Speaker 4: Like we'd be fucked.
Speaker 3: They already got a billion dollars out of Alex Jeraldes.
Speaker 3: What won't they do they suit him for seven hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty million dollars. Give me a break. There's no
Speaker 3: way he has that kind of money.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You look at some of his videos.
Speaker 4: This guy looks like he's on a boat off the
Speaker 4: Amafi coast, fucking you know, telling people that you know,
Speaker 4: fucking Trump's you know, gonna save us.
Speaker 3: Though, well he gets a lot of he gets a
Speaker 3: lot of celebrities in orbit, right, they think always edgy
Speaker 3: and cool and stuff, but then you know it turns
Speaker 3: out to.
Speaker 4: Do He got ke, Yeah, yeah, yeah, call about Jones.
Speaker 4: He's got some good coke. Just haven't come over and
Speaker 4: hang out for a while. Stuff at April with this.
Speaker 3: Jeez, I wouldn't be surprised at all that guy's off
Speaker 3: the wall. But uh I did get to see him
Speaker 3: once in person, did you In two thousand and eight? Yeah,
Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight, there was a Builderberg convention
Speaker 3: really close to where I used to live, and so
Speaker 3: I went out there and he was out there protesting,
Speaker 3: and so we were out there for like three days
Speaker 3: protesting the Builderberg meeting, and uh my ex wife got
Speaker 3: a picture of MASAD agents holding their guns at the
Speaker 3: ready as they were going into the compound. MASAD agents
Speaker 3: with their guns at the ready, ready to shoot Americans
Speaker 3: because we're exposing the illegal activities that they're doing.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is a that's always fun, yeah, right, The fuck,
Speaker 1: it's just like all sorts of twisted, fucked up shouldn't
Speaker 1: be happening.
Speaker 3: If you want to see the video, I took a
Speaker 3: video of it. You can look up Buildingberg two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, Color of Law. It's still up on YouTube.
Speaker 2: So you have on American soil enforcing laws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just enforcing policies. These aren't laws. They had
Speaker 3: to be passed by Congress. They're actually breaking the law.
Speaker 2: It's just enforcing what they want.
Speaker 3: Just holding guns out today.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Cope was feeling cute for going to be
Speaker 2: a fascist.
Speaker 3: But that was the last time that they actually went
Speaker 3: to Virginia because there was such a press push to
Speaker 3: you know, try and see who's showing up because you know,
Speaker 3: the membership list didn't used to be published. So we
Speaker 3: were out there before they started publishing their membership list
Speaker 3: trying to get the people on cameras they were coming
Speaker 3: in and out of the place. Want to let people
Speaker 3: know who was actually coming in and out. So they
Speaker 3: had a real problem with us standing out there trying
Speaker 3: to get their pictures, but we got their pictures, so
Speaker 3: fucked down.
Speaker 2: Good good for you.
Speaker 3: All right man, Well this has been another good guys.
Speaker 2: Are you going to start that seven seven seven soon
Speaker 2: that to put you on the spot.
Speaker 3: Sure, we're going to do that next week after after
Speaker 3: we got done with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just didn't want to.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't want to put you on the
Speaker 4: spots spot and actually you know tell you that they
Speaker 4: we're supposed to do it. Yeah, I think next week.
Speaker 4: I think next week as far as I know. If
Speaker 4: not next week, something happens the weekends. But but next week, should.
Speaker 2: You have the book on? You actually have the physical book?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I've been flashing another time we bring it up.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought, right, Oh fuck yes, thank god
Speaker 4: because I was like thinking, I was like, I have
Speaker 4: the physical book, and if he finds the PDF, it
Speaker 4: could be off.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I've seen that that's happened on Jewels Show.
Speaker 4: Actually we'll be using different PDFs and they'll be off,
Speaker 4: which is so weird because how does that happen? Is
Speaker 4: it like different editions? It just how does it?
Speaker 3: Different translation for the Golden Ass so like one was
Speaker 3: a translation from one guy from Latin and then the
Speaker 3: other guy and so it's all mixed up.
Speaker 2: We had like mainly p hole that like wasn't like
Speaker 2: matching up.
Speaker 4: We're like, what the fuck was these different editions or
Speaker 4: just like fucked up copies of a legal pdf. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll be doing that next week. That's awesome. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: since we both have the book, we can start off
Speaker 4: from the beginning will probably be you know, the introduction
Speaker 4: obviously in Jamatria, before we even get into the actual graphs.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Should be fun,
Speaker 4: should be interesting.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean we're.
Speaker 2: Going to learn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pete. Please let me.
Speaker 4: People in the chat too, you know what you got
Speaker 4: any ship to add, please hit it, you know, because
Speaker 4: we don't know everything, and we don't you know, we
Speaker 4: get like I have my own like kind of style
Speaker 4: or things that I like, you know, more focused on
Speaker 4: Egyptian deities. You're more focused on other you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So you know, it could be people in
Speaker 4: the chat that know what's up in other areas, please
Speaker 4: chime in.
Speaker 3: But if you guys don't know, this is the ultimate
Speaker 3: reference guide to all of the different materials that they
Speaker 3: would use in the Golden Dawn. So this is like
Speaker 3: how you would it's a concordance.
Speaker 2: Golden dorn everything. Yeah, the people in the OTU. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest.
Speaker 4: There is witches that will even say I don't care
Speaker 4: much for Crowley, but his seven seven seven book is
Speaker 4: still the bible to spells for them. I mean it's basically,
Speaker 4: you want any association to do any type of working,
Speaker 4: you can pretty much probably pull it out of that
Speaker 4: book if you understand what you're reading.
Speaker 3: It's very That's really Crowley's strong suit is taking a
Speaker 3: lot of different information than just packing it into one source.
Speaker 3: So he'll even admit it. People try to say he's
Speaker 3: a cheat or whatever, but he'll say up front, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just taking this from a bunch of different sources
Speaker 3: and smashing it all the other. Yeah, that's what he's
Speaker 3: good at.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, we even got and then uh Steven
Speaker 4: Skinner did a did a did something like him too.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know he is James Eshelman
Speaker 4: did seven seven six and a half or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's other people have done it, but I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, I think there was somebody else that
Speaker 4: might have been before Crowley that did something like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you can consider a Grippo, but I
Speaker 4: mean that's I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3: Close, but I think there's a lot of Agrippa. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of a gripping influence right there.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, we got
Speaker 4: a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 3: Cause absolutely if you want to get into the nitty
Speaker 3: gritty of how to really craft a good spell, you
Speaker 3: got to get into seven seven seven.
Speaker 2: Oh. Flower even said thank you got that book last week?
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean listen for the most part, just real quick.
Speaker 4: People who if you don't have the book, you can
Speaker 4: probably pull up the PDF. Like I said, it might
Speaker 4: be off, but I mean, you know whatever, if you
Speaker 4: don't want to pay for the book to pef, I'm
Speaker 4: sure will be just asifying following us along.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you can get the book to grab it,
Speaker 2: you know, so.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I got Alchemy Monday coming up. Should having
Speaker 3: have the tubing by then, and we'll run that socks
Speaker 3: of it again. It seemed that was a pretty popular episode.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to get some of the other herbs
Speaker 3: and stuff because I've got an idea and I might
Speaker 3: be able to build something that'll take this whole thing
Speaker 3: to the next level. What if we put a frequency
Speaker 3: generator next to the socks, a line extractor, So now
Speaker 3: you're charging the liquid with the frequencies from the frequency generator. Right,
Speaker 3: You're actually creating a different association.
Speaker 4: Right, You'll be making something completely new technically, right, So.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting. We're gonna check that out and
Speaker 3: keep with us, share it around like the video. Definitely
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