WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.640 Welcome to this month's Pathway Chili Bonus Patriticsclusive Minniesot, I'm Robin, 2 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:38.159 I'm Jules. 3 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.200 And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this month's case. 4 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:49.479 May eighth, nineteen ninety five, Coconino County, Arizona. Twenty eight 5 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:53.000 year old Devin Williams, a long hauled truck driver from Kansas, 6 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.560 recklessly drives his semi trailer truck into Tonto National Forest 7 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:01.600 before it becomes stuck in some mud. After Devin exits 8 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:06.040 the truck, witnesses see him exhibiting bizarre behavior before he 9 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:09.879 takes off into the woods and disappears. Devon had been 10 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.719 in the midst of transporting a shipment from California to 11 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.480 Kansas until he drove over sixty miles off course for 12 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:21.159 unknown reasons. Two years later, Devon's skull is discovered near 13 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:23.560 the bottom of a cliff, but no one can figure 14 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:25.760 out his cause of death or why he wound up 15 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:26.840 in the forest to begin with. 16 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.680 After that, the path went chilly. So on this month's 17 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.799 bonus episode, we're going to be covering a very odd case, 18 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:39.239 the unexplained nineteen ninety five death of Devon Williams. This 19 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.400 is the story of a long cal truck driver and 20 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.640 family man with a loving wife and three children, who 21 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.359 lived a seemingly ordinary, uneventful life until he suddenly found 22 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.760 himself at the center of an unsaw mystery. Devon was 23 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.439 in the midst of transporting a shipment from California to 24 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.799 his home state of Kansas when he inexplicably wound up 25 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.200 driving his truck into Arizona's Taunto National Forest. This was 26 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.000 an area where eighteen wheeler trucks would not normally go, 27 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.840 and a number of witnesses would see Devon exit his 28 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.639 truck and take off into the woods before he vanished 29 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.759 without a trace. While the initial search efforts turned up nothing, 30 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.120 Devon's skull would be discovered in the area two years later, 31 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.680 but the rest of his remains were never found and 32 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.400 no one could figure out how he died. As you 33 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.759 probably know, the trail went cold and the path went 34 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.599 Chile have always had a fascination with cases in which 35 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.039 victims traveled to places they have no reason to be 36 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.080 at before they wind up missing or dead under very 37 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:37.000 mysterious circumstances, and the Devon Williams case is definitely one 38 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.560 of the strangest examples of this. Since there was no 39 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.560 logical reason for him to divert from his original route 40 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.719 and drive into this forest, it's certainly possible that he 41 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.719 suffered some sort of mental breakdown or medical issue. That 42 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.159 everyone who interacted with Devon prior to this incident said 43 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.560 they did not notice anything unusual about him. This case 44 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.520 is so baffling that, yes, aliens were even brought up 45 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.599 as a serious possibility to explain what happened. And you 46 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.360 can bet we're going to discuss that angle on this episode. 47 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.000 Awesome, bring it on. I love cases like this where 48 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.319 you go like what happened? Because we have Devin who 49 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.719 seemingly is just doing his normal routine job. 50 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:14.919 Right. 51 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:19.680 This is the absolute ordinary days for him, where he's 52 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:21.840 trucking and doing all these things. He's a family man, 53 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.240 there's really nothing eventful going on, and then all of 54 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.560 a sudden, he's part of this unsolved mystery. Now, Robin, 55 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.919 you said everyone said he was fine when he left, 56 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.960 But Jules, you mentioned that there was a witness who 57 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.319 said that they observed bizarre behavior from him. So do 58 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.159 we have multiple people saying, look, there could have really 59 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.840 been this mental distress happening towards the very end of 60 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.479 his life, or Robin, it sounds like you're alluding to 61 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:52.599 perhaps he had been abducted or experienced something traumatic that 62 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.120 could have also triggered a kind of break for him. 63 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:58.840 Well, all the people in the forest said he was 64 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.360 hiving bizarre behavior, but it was all the people who 65 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.199 interacted it with him, like when he was doing his 66 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.520 truck route before he arrived in the forest that said, 67 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.560 everything seemed completely normal with them. So it just seemed 68 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.039 like this came completely out of left field, that something 69 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.719 happened which just compelled him to drive to this spot 70 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:15.159 and started acting strangely. 71 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.199 Our story begins in nineteen ninety five, and our central 72 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.560 figure is twenty nine year old Devin Williams, who lives 73 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.720 in the small town of Americus, Kansas, with his wife, 74 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.079 Mary Lou and their three children. Devon works as a 75 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.720 long distance truck driver from Flint Hills Transportation, Incorporated, and 76 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.360 on Tuesday, May twenty third, Devon drove to Kansas City 77 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.639 in his forty eight foot eighteen wheeler semi truck to 78 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.319 pick up a shipment before he embarked on a sixteen 79 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.639 hundred mile cross country road trip. To Los Angeles. After 80 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.560 he arrived, Devon picked up a new shipment containing over 81 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.800 twelve hundred boxes of lettuce and strawberries, and began the 82 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.279 drive back to Kansas City. But it wasn't long before 83 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.959 a very odd series of events would occur. On the 84 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:06.079 morning of Sunday, May twenty eighth, campers in Tonto National Forest, 85 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.360 which is located in Coconino County, Arizona, were taken by 86 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.839 complete surprise when Devon's truck came barreling down Forest Service 87 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.000 Road one thirty seven, a dirt road which is not 88 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:22.360 often frequented by two ton eighteen wheelers. The truck was 89 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:26.480 being driven incredibly recklessly at around fifty miles per hour, 90 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.160 and came dangerously close to crashing into an suv containing 91 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.000 two campers. The suv had been heading on the service 92 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.040 road in the opposite direction, but they were forced to 93 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.360 put the vehicle into reverse and back out of the 94 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.879 truck's path. The campers would later say that they got 95 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.480 a look at the truck driver, who didn't seem to 96 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.519 have any expression on his face and had no intention 97 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.000 of slowing down. The truck eventually came to a stop 98 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.319 in a forest meadow off the service road in the 99 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.319 Buck Springs camping area. A car of picnickers would drive 100 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.240 by and witness Devin Klim out of the truck. He 101 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.600 was exhibiting bizarre behavior and rambling incoherently, saying stuff like 102 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:08.720 they made me do it. I'm going to jail. The 103 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.480 Coconino County Sheriff's Department were notified about what was happening, 104 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.439 but by the time a deputy arrived at the scene 105 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.600 to check the truck, Devon was gone. Well, the truck 106 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.160 had gotten stuck in some mud, there didn't seem to 107 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.720 be anything wrong with it. The entire cargo of lettuce 108 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.199 and strawberries was still intact, and the refrigeration unit was 109 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.959 still running. Many of Devn's personal items were left behind 110 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.680 in the truck's cab, including his briefcase, an ice chest, 111 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.920 a sleeping bag, a police scanner, and his favorite hat. 112 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.199 But Devin's stuffle bag and his collection of audio tapes 113 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:42.759 were missing. 114 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.680 This is one of those things where I'm wondering if 115 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.240 he had gotten into Let's say he has a mental 116 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.680 break and he thinks something has happened like that's screaming 117 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.839 they made me do it. I'm going to jail right, 118 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.920 and people say there's no expression. Is he and sh 119 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.639 shock from a real traumatic incident, like maybe someone forced 120 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.439 him to do something. Was he part of some trucker 121 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.319 drugs or sex trafficking or something like that. I kind 122 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.920 of think unlikely. I more so think something occurred that 123 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:20.360 he interpreted as being incredibly risky, and then he is 124 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.920 not in his reality at that point, because I've seen 125 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.759 people like that or that stare of like I'm doing 126 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:31.560 something so dangerous like almost hitting campers in this park 127 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.199 and having no affect at all. It shows this kind 128 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.519 of disconnect that you are no longer rational and present. 129 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.399 So man, I'm trying to think of what he could 130 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.439 have really encountered to make him go from hugging his 131 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.759 wife goodbye, making this normal transport and then literally putting 132 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.120 people in extreme harm's way, with people acknowledging he did 133 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:55.480 not know what was going on. 134 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.600 Did either if you watch the documentary What's Wrong with 135 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.480 Ant or something. 136 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.519 Like that, Yes, oh yes, yes, definitely. 137 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.040 Yeah. It made me think of that, just like this 138 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.120 blank affect and this complete disregard for the safety of 139 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:10.680 other people. 140 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.720 I mean, I know with Aunt Diane, like she was 141 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.959 known for being like an alcoholic and had like a 142 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.360 lot of mental health issues. But that's what's weird about 143 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.879 Devin is that he didn't seem to have any history 144 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.279 of that stuff. So but he still is doing the 145 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.879 same thing where he's driving through a forest. He's in 146 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.959 danger of running over this suv and endangering other people, 147 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.559 but just does not seem to care. So at around 148 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.320 four pm the following day, a couple was driving through 149 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.639 Tonto National Forest on Service Road three twenty one when 150 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.559 they came across Devon. This was about a mile and 151 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.960 a half away from the spot where the truck was abandoned, 152 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.120 and once again Devin appeared to be acting strangely and 153 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.840 mumbling incoherently. The couple said that Devin was barefoot and 154 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.399 appeared to be hitting a twenty dollars bill with a rock. 155 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.639 When they asked if he needed help, Devin replied, quote, 156 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.519 I got to light the grill. Devin then through a 157 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.000 rock in the direction of the couple's car, which prompted 158 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.240 them to drive away. But this turned out to be 159 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.559 the last time Devon was seen alive. When he failed 160 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.240 to arrive in Kansas City as scheduled with his shipment, 161 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.960 Devon was reported missing, and it wasn't long before witnesses 162 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.480 identified him as the man seen driving the truck. A 163 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.559 search of Tauto National Forest turned up no trace of Devon, 164 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.960 so investigators attempted to track his movements. After he picked 165 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.080 up his cargo in Los Angeles, he drove over three 166 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.360 hundred miles to Kingman, Arizona, where he phoned his trucking 167 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.519 company headquarters and checked in on evening a Saturday in 168 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.919 May the twenty seventh well, Devon did complain about being 169 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.480 unable to sleep, he said he was still determined to 170 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.480 get back on the road and make it back home 171 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.080 as quickly as possible. His route would have involved traveling 172 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.919 east on Interstate forty, but for unknown reasons, after driving 173 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.200 around two hundred miles, Devon apparently got off the interstate 174 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:55.720 near the town of Winslow. He subsequently drove forty miles 175 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.919 south down Arizona Highway eighty seven, which would have taken 176 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.279 him to the Blue Ridge Range, where he subsequently turned 177 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:06.000 onto Forest Service Road one thirty seven. After driving another 178 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.080 twenty miles, Devin turned into a small path and wound 179 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:10.799 up getting his truck stuck in the mud. 180 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.919 When he throws this rock. Is he is he being 181 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.799 a like? Is he being aggressive? Do is he being aggressive? 182 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:20.879 Or is he just like not? 183 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.720 I think he was. I think he was being aggressive 184 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.039 because the couple seemed like pretty frightened when he threw 185 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.679 the rock, as if he was like being violent towards them. 186 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.080 Okay, because I'm wondering in my head, I'm trying to 187 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:33.679 picture this because it's like I could see it going 188 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.639 one of two ways where he's literally so out of 189 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.639 control that you know this has nothing to do with us, 190 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:38.759 do you know what I mean? Like he's just kind 191 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.200 of lost his mind and were watching or is he 192 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.600 like targeting us? And you're saying it it's like he 193 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.759 was literally targeting them without really having any concept of 194 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:47.679 what was going on there. 195 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.279 Yeah, it almost seems like he genuinely thought he was 196 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.440 trying to light a grill and here come these strangers 197 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.720 who are interrupting him, and I guess they were in 198 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.600 his face or something, and it just kind of freaked 199 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.279 him out. And that's why he threw the rock because 200 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.600 before they were genuinely concerned about him, but now that 201 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.840 he's being aggressive, they're like, Okay, this guy's dangerous. We're 202 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:07.399 not going to offer him a ride or anything. We're 203 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:08.639 just going to get the hell out of here. 204 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.519 This is so bizarre, Like this behavior seems to be 205 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.840 completely against everything that Devin would have ever done, and 206 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.480 you've got to wonder, like, what was the catalyst for this. 207 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.600 Did something happen where he believed that he did something 208 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.840 that would be punishable by law and it caused him 209 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.120 to have like a psychotic break Because for him to 210 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.759 just have this blatant disregard and to be driving almost 211 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.519 into this other vehicle where these people have got to 212 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.480 swerve out of the way to miss him, and then 213 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.720 he's throwing this rock at these other people, it just 214 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.480 seems like aggressive behavior, but it doesn't seem to be 215 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:45.320 in line with it all who he is as a 216 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.960 person and what we know so far. So it's just 217 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:53.240 completely confounding. Since Stefan was known for being a very 218 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.759 dependable employee and family man, no one could come up 219 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.159 with an explanation for his actions. Since he'd recently he 220 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.320 bought a house, and his wife said that they were 221 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.159 currently experiencing the happiest time of their lives, there didn't 222 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.279 seem to be any reason for him to disappear voluntarily 223 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.519 Devon had no known history of mental illness, and while 224 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.919 drug use was looked at as a possible theory for 225 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.720 his bizarre behavior, he was regularly drug tested by his 226 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.879 employer and the results always came back clean. The case 227 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.200 was featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries which aired 228 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.279 in March nineteen ninety six, and fourteen months later there 229 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.799 would finally be a partial resolution. In May nineteen ninety seven, 230 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.799 hikers discovered a human skull near the bottom of a 231 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.200 steep cliff. The location was about a half mile from 232 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:45.559 the spot where Devon was last seen, and dental records 233 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:49.600 positively identified the skull as belonging to him. There was 234 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.320 no trauma found on the skull, and since the rest 235 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.240 of Devon's remains could still not be found, authorities suspected 236 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.240 that they'd been spread around by coyotes or other wild animals. Well, 237 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.399 there was no direct evidence of foul play. The exact 238 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.799 circumstances of how Devin died or why he wound up 239 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.200 in Tonto National Forest to begin with, remain unknown. 240 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.919 So I guess you could say the path with Chili. 241 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.799 It doesn't sound like in this case that you have 242 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.440 somebody who's a murder victim. In my mind, I mean 243 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.279 it is always possible, because if he is struggling with 244 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.840 any kind of break from reality or mental distress, someone 245 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.960 like that would target you, would become a target, a 246 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:32.120 very easy target to say, Wow, that person's vulnerable. I 247 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.320 could take advantage of them or hurt them. But nothing's missing, 248 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:40.080 there's nothing really, it's something to say that he really 249 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.120 was at risk at the moment. And for what I 250 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.200 find it incredible that he has these drug tests that 251 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.960 always come back clean, that his wife says, we are happy, 252 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.399 we were doing fabulous, Like this is not an issue 253 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:57.200 that sounds anything like my husband. I think something had 254 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.799 to happen that put him into a traumatic state, whether 255 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.840 real or not. Something happened to Devin that made him 256 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.919 go into a place where he truly felt fearful of 257 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:08.840 his life, where he felt that he was putting other 258 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.519 people at risk. And then it sounds like he walked 259 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.600 off and didn't make it back, Like was he in 260 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.000 such distress he lost his way? Was he in such 261 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.360 distress that he took his own life? But there's no 262 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:21.759 trauma to the skull. 263 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.559 Right exactly, Like there's no noticeable evidence of foul play. 264 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.440 They can't find the rest of the remains, so they 265 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.799 can't completely rule it out. But generally when people go 266 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.799 missing in like a remote wooded area, I generally assume 267 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.120 they died of exposure, because what are the odds of 268 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.159 someone coming across them and killing him in such a 269 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:39.840 remote place. 270 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:45.440 It's like the Dior Koons Junior case, right, Like, what 271 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.360 are the chances that you're going to have some predator 272 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.440 come up out of nowhere in this area where you'd 273 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.000 have to see them drive a vehicle and then just 274 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.799 abduct this child? Like the more likely scenario there is 275 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:00.159 you know, potentially the parents had something to do with it. 276 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:05.879 But here, like most national forest cases, they aren't typically murders. 277 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:10.000 They are usually exposure. When you know, sometimes we don't 278 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.399 have a resolution and we don't know what happens. And 279 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.000 I just think this is one of those cases where 280 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:19.200 it seems like there was clear psychological distress and we 281 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:21.759 don't know what brought that on, but enough that it 282 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:25.519 seemed that Devin lost his bearings and really wasn't in 283 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.000 touch with reality at that moment, and he seemed to 284 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.600 be delusional, like I've got to light the grill while 285 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.039 he's like hitting a bill like it just it didn't 286 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.799 make any sense. And then his actions didn't seem to 287 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:38.799 be in line with who he was, and he was 288 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.759 at this really great place in his life, which just 289 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.120 makes this all the more tragic because his wife is like, 290 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.799 We've got three kids, we just bought a house. Everything 291 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:52.039 is so great, and then this happens. It just it's heartbreaking. 292 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.600 Oh yeah, Like, nothing I've read about his background indicates 293 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.240 that he was violent or abusive or an angry person. 294 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.000 So every I've heard makes me think that trying to 295 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.519 run over people with his truck and throwing rocks at 296 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.840 them was just completely out of character. He had just 297 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:12.360 become an entirely different person. So Unsolved Mysteries had more 298 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.039 than its fair share of stories about someone who displayed 299 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.320 erratic behavior shortly before they went missing in a remote area. 300 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.720 In many of these cases, the initial search efforts failed 301 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.440 to find the victim until someone just happened to stumble 302 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.600 across the remains years after the fact. In fact, the 303 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.039 very first case to be featured on the very first 304 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.200 episode of Unsolved Mysteries, which also got covered on the 305 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.320 Trail Went Cold and the Path Went Chili completely fits 306 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.759 this criteria. Of course, I'm referring to the unexplained death 307 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.519 of Dawn Kemp, who abandoned his SUV wandered out onto 308 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.799 a desolate Wyoming prairie before his remains were discovered a 309 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.480 couple years later. Another memorable example of this from the 310 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.519 show was the nineteen eighty eight disappearance of Dan Wilson, 311 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.879 who appeared to be going through some odd personality changes 312 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.360 and mood swings before he inexplicably drove from washing Rington 313 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.519 State to remote area of Montana. Once again, his abandoned 314 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.559 car was found by the side of the road, and 315 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.400 even though search efforts failed to find him, his skull 316 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.839 was eventually discovered a couple miles away in nineteen ninety seven. 317 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.839 In this particular case, there was actually a logical explanation 318 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.359 for what happened, as it turned out that dance car 319 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.920 had a carbon monoxide leak, which may have been the 320 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.039 source of his erratic behavior and influenced his decision to 321 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.160 drive to remote location and wandered away from his vehicle 322 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.960 before he succumbed to exposure. This could also provide a 323 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.319 potential explanation for what happened to Devin Williams, but I 324 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.440 see no indication that carbon monoxide leaks were found in 325 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.119 his truck. I'll stay right up front that I have 326 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.559 my doubts that Devon was a victim of foul play, 327 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.640 and it's far more likely he simply died of exposure 328 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.160 in the woods. But even so, the circumstances of how 329 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.599 he wound up in that situation to begin with are 330 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.079 incredibly bizarre, and there is zero explanation for why he 331 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.240 drove an eighteen wheeler in is a Tanto National Forest 332 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:03.480 in Arizona. By all accounts, Devin was just an ordinary, dependable, 333 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.599 working class family man who never caused any issues at 334 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.079 his job until something just went completely wrong during what 335 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.480 was supposed to be a routine cross country delivery. If 336 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:15.839 there were any warning signs that something was off with him, 337 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:16.960 he hid them well. 338 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.119 And what's so sad is it likely whatever stress and 339 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.400 distress he was under caused him to walk just a 340 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.400 few miles off the path and probably find himself in 341 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.240 a position to not know how to navigate back because 342 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.960 his reality was so skewed at that point, or because 343 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.599 he's so overwhelmed, or his psychosis is so bad at 344 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:38.799 the moment. I can't make it back those couple of miles, 345 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.359 which could have been a very clear shot back to 346 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.720 his truck. But I'm with you, Robin, I think this 347 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.839 sounds much more like someone who wandered off and couldn't 348 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.799 get back and died of exposure. But it's also so 349 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:54.759 confusing and so tragic because other than strangers who knew 350 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:57.880 him on this trip, there was no warning sign. It's 351 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.759 very scary to think about, and. 352 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.880 Even the whole thing about I'm going to jail, even 353 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.200 though it's possible he was just living in an alternate 354 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.960 reality and just thought he had done something that was 355 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.599 going to get him arrested, but he wasn't actually true. 356 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.400 I guess you can't discount the possibility that maybe he 357 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:17.880 could have done something where he legitimately thought that he 358 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.960 was going to get into serious legal trouble and this 359 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.480 is what caused him to panic. But because no one 360 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.960 could really account for his whereabouts between the time he 361 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.720 checked into headquarters the night before and when he wound 362 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.279 up in the forest, we will just never know for sure. 363 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.400 Believe it or not, During the two year period Devin 364 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.920 was missing, the possibility of him being abducted by aliens 365 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.880 actually entered the equation. In August of nineteen ninety six, 366 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.480 an article about the case was published in the Arizona Republic, 367 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.599 and it genuinely explored the UFO angle. I think this 368 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.519 largely stemmed from the fact that Tonto National Forest bordered 369 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.720 Apache Site Grieves National Forest, the site of the infamous 370 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.519 incident where Travis Walton claimed he was a reducted by 371 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.680 aliens in nineteen seventy five. In the article, Charlie Green, 372 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.400 a member of an organization called the Mutual UFO Network, 373 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:13.240 discussed the similarities between the Travis Walton incident and Devin's disappearance. 374 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:17.920 And yes, ladies and gentlemen, the following quote actually ran 375 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:22.640 in several newspapers. He's the right age. This all has 376 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.839 to do with the puerile semen. They take the semen 377 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.200 from the males and the ovaries from females and mix 378 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.279 it with alien juice to make a half breed. But 379 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:40.160 I still don't understand why he wasn't brought back end quote. Well, 380 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.279 I guess that about closes the books on this case. 381 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:45.480 Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next month. 382 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:47.160 Wow. 383 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:49.920 I was ready for it. 384 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:55.960 No, okay, okay, okay, So yes, it's all true facts. No, 385 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.960 So the Travis Walton incident, that's the one with the 386 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.440 six logger who are doing their job. All of a 387 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:06.880 sudden they all see this very similar light. Travis instantly 388 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.039 disappears and has found, i want to say, like nude 389 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.119 and beaten and stuff like that, like a pretty far 390 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.640 distance away. A couple days later, and he says that 391 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.759 he was abducted by aliens, that he can remember these 392 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:24.240 experiments that were being done on him by humans that 393 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.079 were performing them helping these aliens. And as crazy as 394 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:33.200 it sounded, there's six men who all independently gave the 395 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.240 same story of watching this light come and Travis instantly 396 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.079 disappearing while the five of them look at each other 397 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:42.880 going what the hell happened? I often have wondered, why 398 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.240 would a group of people want to lie about something 399 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:50.160 that makes you look not all mentally there, you know, 400 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.440 Like we all laugh about the people who say, oh 401 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.880