Speaker 1: Welcome to the Nightmare USA Podcast. Using Stephen Thrower's home
Speaker 1: as our road map, join us as we explore the
Speaker 1: underbelly of America, one regional horror film at a time.
Speaker 2: I'm Adam, I'm Sam.
Speaker 1: In our second episode, Sam's claiming home field advantage as
Speaker 1: we discussed Georgia Mahra's fourth feature film, The Crazies, A small.
Speaker 3: Town becomes a giant stockade. Evans City must be contained
Speaker 3: or levels. We're all concerned with Evans City, mister Hawks,
Speaker 3: If we have to push the bone, would you say that.
Speaker 2: Webon went off?
Speaker 3: Can't be the President? Three thousand, six hundred and fourteen
Speaker 3: people are trapped by an unknown enemy. Five are on
Speaker 3: the run. Can they escape the spreading fury of the crazy?
Speaker 1: While Ramera is very much considered a horror director, he
Speaker 1: did not seem too interest in being pigeon hold as such.
Speaker 1: After bursting onto the cinematic scene in nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 1: with Knight of the Living Dead, Ramera took how can
Speaker 1: we say It? The road Less Traveled, opting to direct
Speaker 1: There's Always Vanilla, which they tell me is a rom comm.
Speaker 1: Although I've never seen it myself. Maybe I'll watch it
Speaker 1: when we get around to Martin, But I did watch
Speaker 1: his third film for the first time, Season of the
Speaker 1: Witch aka Jack's Wife aka Hungry Wives. While this film
Speaker 1: may be considered a tangential horror film, it's really more
Speaker 1: interested in exploring the melancholia of a housewife who's dedicated
Speaker 1: her life to her family and only to find herself lonely,
Speaker 1: even if she's never really alone. The Crazies brings Ramire
Speaker 1: closer to his horror roots, but again, this film has
Speaker 1: more in its mind than just thrills and chills. Film
Speaker 1: toward the end of the conflict in Vietnam, The Crazies
Speaker 1: exposes the failures within government bureaucracy as well as the
Speaker 1: potential dangers that can occur when martial law is enforced.
Speaker 1: The Crazies was another box office failure for Romero. A
Speaker 1: twenty ten remake as well as audiences discovering the film
Speaker 1: in a post COVID world has resulted in some revisionist history. Sam,
Speaker 1: this is the first movie you wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Tell us why The Crazies means so
Speaker 1: much to you.
Speaker 2: I am from Elwood City, PA, and it is about
Speaker 2: thirteen miles from evan City, PA. And so I drove
Speaker 2: through Evan City all the time as a kid. We
Speaker 2: went to church out by there, so Evan City is
Speaker 2: pretty much my home. As I saw the Crazies as
Speaker 2: a kid, it was terrifying because these were things that
Speaker 2: I had seen every day, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: the same cornfields that I saw in the same like
Speaker 2: small town. Suddenly to see it taken over by soldiers
Speaker 2: is very terrifying, especially when you're young. Even more terrifying
Speaker 2: was when Dawn came out because we shocked at min
Speaker 2: Reubill maul. I also love this movie because when I
Speaker 2: first saw the pictures of it in magazines as a kid,
Speaker 2: I always thought that the bad guys were the government
Speaker 2: troops were you know, because the poster has them on it.
Speaker 2: But then you realize, like, there ain't no good guy,
Speaker 2: there ain't no bad guy, there's just you at in
Speaker 2: this movie, like everybody, there's failures on every side. And
Speaker 2: I think, like you mentioned the COVID ties and tie
Speaker 2: into this, I think it's even more prescient as we
Speaker 2: got into like Love Canal in seventy eight, and definitely
Speaker 2: for Pennsylvania, three Mile Island was a big deal to
Speaker 2: us because it was about two miles three hundred miles away.
Speaker 2: But still, you know, if that accident happened, we were
Speaker 2: pretty much in its path. That this is very early
Speaker 2: for that. And also the war had come home with
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War, it was on the news every night
Speaker 2: that this feels like kind of what people were seeing
Speaker 2: on the news around this time. But the fact that
Speaker 2: the soldiers could attack American citizens, especially post you know,
Speaker 2: the Chicago riots and a lot of the things that
Speaker 2: happened in the sixties, this doesn't feel like an alien
Speaker 2: thing that could happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, you saw a lot of civil unrest there
Speaker 1: at the end of the sixties that kind of led
Speaker 1: over into the to the seventies. So yeah, it didn't
Speaker 1: seem out of the not out of ordinary, but out
Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility for sure, for the government
Speaker 1: to take over this way, I would think.
Speaker 2: It feels too like unlike Knight, which has very you know,
Speaker 2: they talk about what caused the plague, that it's a
Speaker 2: Jupiter probe, but by the time we get to down,
Speaker 2: nobody's really sure how this happened, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? They're like, is it Hell's full? Is it
Speaker 2: the Jupiter probe. Is it a disease? Is it like?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of theories that come up. And the
Speaker 2: scenes in Down that are most fascinating to me are
Speaker 2: the scenes in the newsroom where nobody knows what's going
Speaker 2: on during COVID. Those scenes were even more terrifying because
Speaker 2: they were very similar to what press conferences were like
Speaker 2: during it. So this movie feels like it's kind of
Speaker 2: leading into what Don's going to be, but we have
Speaker 2: very fixed, definite reasons why this is happening. Code named
Speaker 2: Tricksy to the alternate title of this movie that I offer,
Speaker 2: refer to this movie as that instead of The Craziest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my first note on here. I just sid
Speaker 1: could name Trixing, But because I like that, I like
Speaker 1: that better.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it seems like it's like The Crazies
Speaker 2: is like, oh, someone's I get it right, it describes
Speaker 2: what happens, but codemn Tricksy's like, oh that's what is
Speaker 2: that like?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: That's kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: It ties it more into the the reasoning behind what's
Speaker 1: going on of the I guess there's some sort of
Speaker 1: biological weapons that's gotten loose into this town, and.
Speaker 2: This feels like something that whereas like Night and Dawn,
Speaker 2: I guess they could happen, right, this movie feels like
Speaker 2: one hundred percent could happen, and I'm shocked that it didn't,
Speaker 2: especially knowing there were a lot of incidents where you know,
Speaker 2: things almost got released. Plus we have like you know,
Speaker 2: the government experimenting of people like the Tuscany airmen and
Speaker 2: a few other things. And there was one thing in
Speaker 2: uh actually in Pennsylvania where the government tested flu and
Speaker 2: how far it would travel based on our high system
Speaker 2: by dosing people on the PA Turnpike as they went
Speaker 2: towards Ohio the track and see how far flu could
Speaker 2: be carried. So the fact that this happened, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure Rameiro was aware of these things also, as you
Speaker 2: can tell from his movies, not a big fan of
Speaker 2: the government, So you know this movie ties into that too.
Speaker 1: So I guess, and I alluded to this in the intro,
Speaker 1: But you know, kind of how did we get here?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen there's always been Lela? What do he is?
Speaker 1: That a weird going from night to living? Did there's
Speaker 1: always been Ala? I mean, I understand not wanting to
Speaker 1: feel like Okay, I'm a horror director. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of what's an example of someone else who's
Speaker 1: pivoted so hard from horror to to that, And I
Speaker 1: really couldn't think of any sort of comp.
Speaker 2: Argento did because after Bird he did what the Four Days,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like a comp I always think
Speaker 2: of Romero and Orgento somewhat tangribally tied together from working
Speaker 2: on Down and lives together. Also, there's a DiPalma did
Speaker 2: like uh, but uh, he did a few comedy once
Speaker 2: early in his career at Collo Mom and a few
Speaker 2: other ones that like don't always tie into, you know,
Speaker 2: what he's known for. So I think Rameira wanted to get,
Speaker 2: especially this time of the world, like what we don't
Speaker 2: realize today is genre fans or horror fans or whatever
Speaker 2: label we want to give ourselves. Horror movies were the
Speaker 2: ghetto of movies, do you know what I mean? This
Speaker 2: is not what he wanted to be involved in. And uh,
Speaker 2: there's always been how it does very much feel like
Speaker 2: a movie of its time, but also like you're kind
Speaker 2: of nascent New Hollywood, but there's not any character that
Speaker 2: you will like in that movie, like it actually outright, like,
Speaker 2: I hate some of them.
Speaker 1: What's that movie about? I don't like? I didn't even
Speaker 1: look at I contemplated, what that's as far.
Speaker 2: As I got. I said, should I watch it?
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I said, you know it is June's
Speaker 1: Ploitation and one of the Catys this year is Georgi Romero.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'm going to opt for a
Speaker 1: season of The Witch because I had not seen that
Speaker 1: one before. I think that made the right choice, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what what's there's always been ala? What is that about?
Speaker 2: Well, Ramo said it was a total mess. That's what
Speaker 2: he referred to it as also known as the Affair.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like this guy Chris. He comes
Speaker 2: back to Pittsburgh from college. His dad owns a baby
Speaker 2: food factory. He always wanted his son to work in
Speaker 2: the baby food factory, but he's a drifter and he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to like have the day after day after
Speaker 2: day a job that his dad does. And he says,
Speaker 2: he's been gone for three years and his dad's still
Speaker 2: in the same bar. He's still drinking the same shot
Speaker 2: in a beer boiler maker is the drink of choice
Speaker 2: in a Pittsburgh, bar uh, And you know, he meets
Speaker 2: this old girlfriend whose name's Terry Terrific, which is ridiculous, right,
Speaker 2: But it's like and just everything in Pittsburgh is just
Speaker 2: deadly to him, and he doesn't want to stay there
Speaker 2: and he's trying to figure out how to g away.
Speaker 2: But almost he's like very much like a narcissist, where
Speaker 2: like every relationship ship is in he destroys and like
Speaker 2: is he the not the tailor swiftest? But is he
Speaker 2: the problem? Yes? He is, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And like at the end, his father says to him,
Speaker 2: the problem is you want to sample all these different flavors,
Speaker 2: because he finds out that he and his father are
Speaker 2: both trying to sleep with the same woman at some point,
Speaker 2: even though his dad's married. And it's like this is
Speaker 2: where he learns that his dad had a different life
Speaker 2: than he realized. And his dad's like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: all these flavors of ice cream, but eventually realize there's
Speaker 2: always vanilla, so you just settle. And it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the message I want to take
Speaker 2: out of this versus, Like I think like Jack's Wife
Speaker 2: or season of The Witch is great, Like it's very
Speaker 2: much like an f shallow where it feels like you
Speaker 2: could watch that and a strange perfume of the woman
Speaker 2: in black or a lizard in a woman's skin. It
Speaker 2: feels like it fits into those movies. And I like
Speaker 2: the fact that she's exchanging like Witchcraft for having a husband,
Speaker 2: and it's just like she's always going to be Jack's wife.
Speaker 2: Like I've I've loved that movie, Like I've watched it
Speaker 2: several times, and I think that that's like his like
Speaker 2: hidden movie that's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked it, and it really came at
Speaker 1: the right time for me, probably because our youngest daughter
Speaker 1: just graduated college and she got married two weeks later,
Speaker 1: so and this just happened at the end of the
Speaker 1: last month. So we're entering a new season of our
Speaker 1: life of kind of empty nesters. So and that's kind
Speaker 1: of where that character is, where she's devoted her life
Speaker 1: to her family and her I think the daughter's like
Speaker 1: nineteen and she's kind of doing her own thing, and
Speaker 1: the husband's always been doing his own thing anyway of work,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's some good imagery of her being chained,
Speaker 1: you know, chained up outside, or he's given her a
Speaker 1: tour of the house as if she had never been there,
Speaker 1: things like that, and then whenever she you know, that
Speaker 1: was my thought. It's like, well, I hope my wife
Speaker 1: finds a hobby, you know, in this emptiness phace. If
Speaker 1: if my hobby is going to be, you know, podcasting,
Speaker 1: then I hope she doesn't turn to witchcraft, which because
Speaker 1: it doesn't turn out well for the men in that movie,
Speaker 1: although I did find an interest and that she becomes
Speaker 1: you know, at the end, she is you know, tied
Speaker 1: up and tethered to you know, this part of the
Speaker 1: witchcraft cult. Covent coven or coven. However you want to
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: You say it that way, that's how you should say it, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So she's still tethered, you know, she traded in
Speaker 1: her chain for a red tether of some sort to
Speaker 1: this cult. So, uh yeah, I really loved that movie.
Speaker 1: I'll look forward to watching it again.
Speaker 2: Parts of it are shot in North for Sales and yes,
Speaker 2: that's how we save versay in Pittsburgh, like that neighborhood's
Speaker 2: called North for Sales and really close to where there's
Speaker 2: like a food land that you can see in one
Speaker 2: part of the movie really where that is there's an
Speaker 2: atom smasher and when the Westinghouse lab closed down, they
Speaker 2: just left the atom smasher in the field. If this
Speaker 2: had been used for all these experiments, it's still there.
Speaker 2: It's just like laying on the crowned like and they
Speaker 2: have like a cordon off area if you can't get
Speaker 2: too close to it. That's Pittsburgh. But you get a
Speaker 2: lot of feel of like what Pittsburgh was like in
Speaker 2: that time. And I also am fascinated by the late
Speaker 2: sixties early seventies where it was cool to be into
Speaker 2: witchcraft and the Church of Satan was getting really big
Speaker 2: and there was this like a cult energy that came
Speaker 2: and then within the next eight years the Satanic Panic happens.
Speaker 2: So it feels strange that like it would completely shift
Speaker 2: what a movie like Season the Witch would be like
Speaker 2: if it came out like eighty or eighty one, it
Speaker 2: would be you know, maybe Jack would be the good
Speaker 2: guy and not the horrible force that leads us to this. Also,
Speaker 2: that movie should be subtitled every guy in this movie
Speaker 2: is horrible, Like every man in that movie is the worst.
Speaker 1: Yes, So just you know, good for her, isn't good
Speaker 1: for her?
Speaker 2: Maybe it totally is. There's a lot of crossover though
Speaker 2: with the Crazies. There's a few people you know that
Speaker 2: like Brewbaker in this movie is Jack, the husband from
Speaker 2: season of the Witch. So and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: the Rameiro used obviously the same crew a lot because
Speaker 2: they were his same crew that worked on you know,
Speaker 2: Latin Image and worked on all the commercials. What's sad
Speaker 2: here is that like post this, like Rameira was like,
Speaker 2: well I made three movies, now only one was successful,
Speaker 2: but I didn't make any money for him it, so
Speaker 2: it's went back to commercials. So his big thing after
Speaker 2: this is doing The Champions, which is a ABC series
Speaker 2: that profile sports stars, and that's where the OJ of
Speaker 2: the Juice is loose movie that was re released whatever
Speaker 2: the OJ thing happened. Also, he was shooting commercials for Caylgun,
Speaker 2: which is based in my hometown of Bellwood City, said
Speaker 2: the early ancient Chinese secret commercial. There's another one that
Speaker 2: he and John Russa did together that's fantastic voyage. But
Speaker 2: going down at toilet to clean the toilet with calgun,
Speaker 2: it's really great commercial. It's really well shot. It looks beautiful,
Speaker 2: but it's like still a toilet commercial. He had bigger
Speaker 2: aspirations than working on Colgon commercials.
Speaker 1: Well they had this commercials back then were so great,
Speaker 1: and the one that always got me as a kid
Speaker 1: was the scrubbing bubbles, and I was so disappointed whenever
Speaker 1: those scrubbing bubbles did not come out of that can
Speaker 1: and magically clean my bapto talk about a letdown.
Speaker 2: They that's why there was that rule that eventually young
Speaker 2: kids commercials could not be animated because a lot of
Speaker 2: times they would animate the toy so it seemed that
Speaker 2: it was coming alive and kids would be like, why
Speaker 2: didn't I get this? They start crying. Their parents were like,
Speaker 2: you've ruined my kids. You're driving me crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would see disclaimers at the bottom, you know,
Speaker 1: not actual toy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, toy does not really move. Some persons require my favorite,
Speaker 2: some poses require hand support. No ship figures out could
Speaker 2: just stand there on its own.
Speaker 1: Now we get some of this is AI created. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know I've seen this to clin disclaimer lately on
Speaker 1: commercials for the for anything to uses AI. I guess we've.
Speaker 2: Been getting this commercial and hopefully nobody else listening to
Speaker 2: this or you Adam have got this commercial. But it
Speaker 2: is for a cleaning service in my small hometown of
Speaker 2: Minoga Hala that I live in now. And it's an
Speaker 2: Ai old woman and someone's cleaning around her and she's like,
Speaker 2: I've lived in, I've lived in and then Monoga Hala,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like that? Right? Literally
Speaker 2: like that? And uh and she's like, and if you know,
Speaker 2: and she says the name of the place and she
Speaker 2: says it wrong because Pittsburgh glass names are hard to say.
Speaker 2: And it's like this town is so small, of like
Speaker 2: maybe three thousand people. Everybody knows everybody. Of course I
Speaker 2: know who this cleaning company is. Of course I know
Speaker 2: they couldn't afford this budget. What is going on? It
Speaker 2: literally pushed not that I need a cleaning crew, because
Speaker 2: that's my job. You know, my wife has I'm the
Speaker 2: toilet cleaner, but you're the scrubbing bubble. I'm the scrubbing bubble.
Speaker 2: But uh, that's what. If this was a video podcast
Speaker 2: right now, Super would come up and say, Sam scrubbing
Speaker 2: bubble Panica. But like it's so disingenuous and weird. Anyways, Uh,
Speaker 2: I am excited. I'm excited to talk about The Crazies
Speaker 2: with you because this is a movie that very few
Speaker 2: people talk about and get excited about, so like especially
Speaker 2: because I think when I was younger it was seen
Speaker 2: as like a lesser version of Dawn and Night, and
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. I think it stands. It's
Speaker 2: an equal to those and it's not like a sequel
Speaker 2: or like it has elements of it, but much like
Speaker 2: Nightmare City, right, what's that on? These are the infected.
Speaker 2: They're not zombies. They're infected, like, these aren't zombies.
Speaker 1: So where do you want to start with with the Crazies.
Speaker 1: I first watched this film back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: so it was post COVID or really still in the
Speaker 1: midst of COVID, which so I found a very interesting
Speaker 1: with all the government inefficiencies. Will then nice way to
Speaker 1: say it, and then I'll watch it again here, and
Speaker 1: then I watched it with the commentary.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the interesting thing is this right from
Speaker 2: the beginning inverts Night, where like Night starts with you know,
Speaker 2: a child or well in the middle of it, you know,
Speaker 2: Kiro's character kind of rises up and kills her parents
Speaker 2: and actually what's crazy is this is how how yins
Speaker 2: or Pittsburgh is to drive in. Someone brought the troal,
Speaker 2: the actual trowal like signed by her and had it
Speaker 2: like on the table, and everybody came up and looked
Speaker 2: at the trowel. They killed the parents in night. But
Speaker 2: this starts with parents killing their children, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a theme that really comes up a lot in
Speaker 2: like late sixties, early seventies. If you think about that
Speaker 2: scene in the one story in The Illustrated Man where
Speaker 2: the parents think that nuclear war is going to happen,
Speaker 2: so they kill their children and that turns out the
Speaker 2: word doesn't happen. Is this ripped off by the myths
Speaker 2: by Stephen King and Stephen King ever ripped off other stories? Short?
Speaker 1: Of course, I will say I did immediately go reach
Speaker 1: from my book of the Sweetest Taboo, written by friend
Speaker 1: Erica Schultz, who covers all the child kills. It's like,
Speaker 1: I know this is in there. Yes, she of course
Speaker 1: includes it and the sequel, and she likes this film
Speaker 1: much better than the sequel, and we'll get into the
Speaker 1: sequel later.
Speaker 2: But if she liked the sequel, I'd be like, is
Speaker 2: she been pod person? Replaced, because I know anytime I
Speaker 2: write her about a movie that I saw with the
Speaker 2: childkill from anywhere past, like nineteen ninety, she's like, I
Speaker 2: don't have to watch this fucking movie. I'm I guess
Speaker 2: you were. Well.
Speaker 1: I know that's why I felt because I saw it
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know child kills are coming back
Speaker 1: in style or something, because I kept fine. I kept
Speaker 1: seeing them, Like the New Silent Night Deadly Night remake
Speaker 1: had one, and I said, I apologize in advance for you,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I kind of liked that film for
Speaker 1: what it is. I knew that she would hate it,
Speaker 1: and she did hate it, and yeah, a few other ones.
Speaker 2: I've seen them, like I'm sorry, she should just write
Speaker 2: a book about like the Roger Rubert one that I
Speaker 2: hated this film. Like when I see stuff the New
Speaker 2: Faces to Death, my first thought is not I'm gonna
Speaker 2: hate this movie. My first thought is Eric's gonna hate
Speaker 2: this movie even more than me, Like this is like
Speaker 2: it's like a target audience of hatred, and they like,
Speaker 2: let's put a child killing. So she comes to a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if that one had a child
Speaker 1: I watched it. I did I did kind of like it,
Speaker 1: to be honest, with the new one, I gain for
Speaker 1: what it is. For what it is, It's not anything
Speaker 1: at all like the original one, of course, but it
Speaker 1: was a decent time. It was kind of like Dexter
Speaker 1: really if it's kind of had that vibe about it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I keep putting For the newer movies.
Speaker 1: I just put the bar on the floor or maybe
Speaker 1: under the floor, joists as low as it can go,
Speaker 1: and then I find myself maybe try to be pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 2: I hate when people send me fake memos of stuff,
Speaker 2: like some one set me once that an Aubry was
Speaker 2: being remade by Rob Zombie, and I was like, don't
Speaker 2: don't even make a joke about that, right, Like it's
Speaker 2: all so as a horn nerd, I'm sure you do
Speaker 2: the same thing. I was on the plane that we
Speaker 2: were just talking about. I had a business trip this week,
Speaker 2: and as I was getting up from the plane to
Speaker 2: get my bag, there was somebody sleeping and they had
Speaker 2: a Tenabera shirt on, and I'm like, I should really
Speaker 2: wake that guy up and we should be best friends.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, no, I'd like, you know, I
Speaker 2: had like a you know, my dressed business like I
Speaker 2: don't look I still look like a horn nerd, but
Speaker 2: you know at the time and I'm like, fuck that
Speaker 2: guy and are going to be the best of friends.
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyways, I think the interesting thing here this
Speaker 2: really picks up something about western Pennsylvania if you didn't
Speaker 2: pick it up from Night. The most Pittsburgh Western Pa
Speaker 2: thing about Night is the minute does zombie start attacking
Speaker 2: nobody fort to fives or saves their family, they go hunting,
Speaker 2: and like there's that scene where it's in both there's
Speaker 2: one in the beginning of Dawn where everybody's crushing iron
Speaker 2: cities and they're out in Butler somewhere shooting zombies. Romero
Speaker 2: gets Western Pennsylvania. That's exactly where would happen. Like we there,
Speaker 2: militia guys have been wanting to kill you beings for
Speaker 2: a while and have been stuck with deer, and now
Speaker 2: it's like, once that happens, Eric, let's go.
Speaker 1: I do have a note about this because I wrote
Speaker 1: define what a redneck is? I think they they do.
Speaker 1: They mention the term redneck, and for me, I mean
Speaker 1: from the South, that's just a very common you just
Speaker 1: think redneck is from the South, and I've never really
Speaker 1: thought about it being outside the South.
Speaker 2: I've it's funny because we did call people that were
Speaker 2: farmers and stuff for rednecks, because obviously, I guess the
Speaker 2: term comes from you know, you're.
Speaker 1: Out in the sun, so right, or the red neck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like there is a phrase in Pittsburgh, Pennsivania
Speaker 2: called pennsyl Tucky where it's like literally other than maybe
Speaker 2: maybe eerie, but Philadelphia and Pittsburgh everything in between may
Speaker 2: as well be the most Bucolic rural thing in rural Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: real yeah, And like, uh, it's weird because I so,
Speaker 2: I was just in Alabama for a week. I see
Speaker 2: more rebel flags in Western PA than I saw the
Speaker 2: entire time I was in Alabama and Georgia. Like my
Speaker 2: one of my neighbors when he opens his door, he
Speaker 2: has a huge one. He's an Italian kid, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he's there's nothing to him
Speaker 2: that was suggesting. So I'm like, you know that we
Speaker 2: were on the other side of the War of Northern Aggression.
Speaker 2: It's they call it, like let's I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on, but see, yeah, like that feeling of like
Speaker 2: the redneck ism. There are rednecks in Western PA. Most
Speaker 2: most cities here are.
Speaker 1: Okay, whenever this the high school that all three of
Speaker 1: my kids graduated from. Their mascot was the Rebels, and
Speaker 1: it was a Confederate soldier was the mascot.
Speaker 2: To this day, it still is.
Speaker 1: And that school was formed because people moved across the
Speaker 1: river to from Alexandria to Pine Be, Louisiana, and they well,
Speaker 1: I say, I say the people, it was a very
Speaker 1: much white flight, moved to Pine all set up a school.
Speaker 1: And that's what you know they wanted to be known
Speaker 1: for is their racism, I guess. And so it's still
Speaker 1: to this day. And so they were there was a
Speaker 1: lot of talk at that time of changing the mascot
Speaker 1: due to these racist connotations, and and somebody said, well,
Speaker 1: let's just make let's make that rebel black and instead
Speaker 1: of a like like you just saw congratulations.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, as someone that just spent a week doing
Speaker 2: diversity and inclusion classes, that's amazing. Uh, it's really wild.
Speaker 2: Like I was thinking about it when we were doing
Speaker 2: these discussions and going on all this stuff. It's like this
Speaker 2: stuff like these schools picking mascots and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we're staying with them or making these weird choices, Like
Speaker 2: it's not just in our lifetime or our parents' lifetime,
Speaker 2: it's like in the last five years or the last year,
Speaker 2: Like it's happening all the time, Like people are like,
Speaker 2: how dare you? And also it brings to this rage
Speaker 2: of like no one ever looked at and I'muncle Ben's
Speaker 2: box ever forever and then suddenly like we're changing Uncle
Speaker 2: Ben's are like, God damn it, these people, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? Like why do you care?
Speaker 1: Right? One thing that I saw and at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the film, and one thing that I love we
Speaker 1: talked about last episode of like childhood fears of running
Speaker 1: at your car breaking down in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And another thing that's always happens in these movies is
Speaker 1: that people have to answer the phone, no matter what,
Speaker 1: no matter what is happening that phone. If the phone rings,
Speaker 1: you got to answer it. And so that kind of
Speaker 1: happens at the beginning. There's on the other end, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what happens at the very beginning because
Speaker 1: the and again I'm terrible with character names, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to help me out. Then the nurse character, uh,
Speaker 1: she has to answer that phone.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And that's how it kind of gets propelled start of like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna need to come into the office
Speaker 1: because there's something going on.
Speaker 2: The beginning there where the father spoils on right the spoilers,
Speaker 2: oh way, yes, yeah, the father that kills his wife
Speaker 2: and torches the house with the kids inside. It was
Speaker 2: the special facts tech for the movie. And then the
Speaker 2: children that are screaming in that scene are the kids
Speaker 2: of s William Hensman, who is the first zombie and
Speaker 2: Night and also made the movie Flesh Eater, which I
Speaker 2: hated the first time I saw it, and now I
Speaker 2: love it because I figured out the secret of Flesh Eater.
Speaker 1: Flesh Eater is one that I liked as it went
Speaker 1: by the end of it, I liked it. It started
Speaker 1: out I really didn't care for it, and then as
Speaker 1: it went on and on, I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I do like this. I think even to the point
Speaker 1: where I had posted h the to sell my four K.
Speaker 1: I think it's in four K from Benner's Syndrome, just
Speaker 1: post it on eBay to sell it. Halfway through the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, I'm not keeping this, and then by
Speaker 1: the end of US I took it off. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I need to keep this.
Speaker 2: He he had been married for thirty five years by
Speaker 2: that point, and if you notice, every time he attacks
Speaker 2: a young girl, he like paused her breast for like
Speaker 2: that did period his and I was like, certainly his
Speaker 2: wife was angry. His wife was like the producer executive
Speaker 2: producer with him. She was on the set all the time.
Speaker 2: So I asked him about like, oh, no, they were great.
Speaker 2: They had a great relationship. So I think this was
Speaker 2: just his way of just you know, hey, I'm old,
Speaker 2: Like let's let's do something. And once you watch it
Speaker 2: through that ones, I guess it's better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of dead leaves. I remember, Yes,
Speaker 1: welcome to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: We have so I'm so glad we moved our houses
Speaker 2: and have trees around it every other house I've ever
Speaker 2: lived at in my life. Like if you're a kid
Speaker 2: like you rake leaves, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like Eurek leaves. Yeah, and like I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: I don't have to anymore.
Speaker 1: But it's that's our dream to find a house with
Speaker 1: no trees because again being from a Louisana, We've had
Speaker 1: we had three trees hit our house, durned hurricanes or
Speaker 1: tornadoes and trees or just they are beautiful to look at.
Speaker 1: And now I don't ever want to own a lot
Speaker 1: with another tree on it.
Speaker 2: I want to concrete every yard that I live in.
Speaker 2: I just want to like, let's just burn, like nuke
Speaker 2: it from orbit and then move on that house that's burning.
Speaker 2: Speaking of nuking things, uh that was this happens at
Speaker 2: Evan City. What they were going to knock down that
Speaker 2: house anyway, and Romero was like, hey, can we set
Speaker 2: this house on fire? And the fire Department's like, sure,
Speaker 2: go ahead. It's totally till, no permit nothing. You're in
Speaker 2: the woods like pretty much. Evan City is like very real,
Speaker 2: very very rural. Uh so yeah, we start off and
Speaker 2: uh we meet the Vietnam vets, David and Klank not
Speaker 2: at Pittsburgh name who get to the scene. And Judy
Speaker 2: who you talked about, the nurse, she's the one that
Speaker 2: has to go in and treat the kids for burns
Speaker 2: in the office. Meanwhile, you know, in that medical office,
Speaker 2: that's where the military guys show up. And you're cono.
Speaker 2: And if you're wondering, like did Romero was he influenced
Speaker 2: by Kubrick the same music that the military uses in
Speaker 2: this The animals went in two by two, like the
Speaker 2: marching music that's the same music from Doctor Strangelove when
Speaker 2: they show up. So I'm sure he was like, this
Speaker 2: is is that a bad thing to say? This is
Speaker 2: my Doctor Strange Love. I don't think it's like except
Speaker 2: my Doctor Strange Love is an exploitation movie that you
Speaker 2: know played drive ins and but you know deredor dream.
Speaker 1: Then they bring in my favorite character. I did write
Speaker 1: this character's name down because it's doctor Watts played France.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have a lot to say about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and because he ends up in uh other Ramera movie.
Speaker 1: And I have a living Dead Donna the Dead Donna
Speaker 1: did I'm film I've only seen once, let me just
Speaker 1: put it that way, but not that long ago. I
Speaker 1: don't know why that one just slipped through and us
Speaker 1: I've never seen Day of the Dead either, But.
Speaker 2: You don't need to see people get mad at me
Speaker 2: all the time. But like I uh, I really prefer day,
Speaker 2: I mean Donna mean today. But yeah, doctor Watt Richard
Speaker 2: France's character is a huge deal in uh, you know
Speaker 2: in Day he's also in Night Riders, and then he
Speaker 2: shows up in that like I taught the craziness in
Speaker 2: the TV station and telling people where to go and
Speaker 2: stuff and that. So if I as a kid, I
Speaker 2: always was like, is that the same character? Obviously it's
Speaker 2: not because of the end of this movie, but it
Speaker 2: would be cool, Like I always being a comic book geek,
Speaker 2: I wanted there to be, and I would argue there
Speaker 2: is a Romero cinematic universe. You know, the same actors
Speaker 2: show up in different movies. Where's Martin during all this?
Speaker 2: Who can say? So?
Speaker 1: He doctor Watson? He ends up there again. I guess
Speaker 1: that's some mistake, a governmental bureaucracy mistake. How he ends
Speaker 1: up in the front line instead of in the lab
Speaker 1: somewhere trying to find the reversal agent for this biological weapon.
Speaker 2: And he does. But there's numerous times in this movie
Speaker 2: where I I think it's that's my favorite part of
Speaker 2: this The cure is here and it gets screwed up
Speaker 2: and it gets lost, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it's like, man, like you guys were so close.
Speaker 2: But again, through that bureaucracy, through everything, even the fact
Speaker 2: that a military plane with a bio up and just
Speaker 2: crashed right into the water supply, Like, you know, why
Speaker 2: is it even flying over this small town in western PA?
Speaker 2: You know, why would they make a drug that causes
Speaker 2: the crazies? Like I get it right, Yes, it would
Speaker 2: destroy cities and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it's like, but would you ever be able to
Speaker 1: contain it in the first place? Maybe would you learned?
Speaker 1: Would you have the antidote or the vaccine first before
Speaker 1: transporting it anywhere?
Speaker 2: You would think? Right?
Speaker 1: These are all unanswerable questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But also I'm sure you know within your career
Speaker 2: in mind, we both were, if not on the front
Speaker 2: lines of COVID, supplying people with the information for it.
Speaker 2: And it's like, uh, I can see like kind of
Speaker 2: like why they want to contain this because you know
Speaker 2: it's things can quickly and also it's like fire is
Speaker 2: the same thing, Like you can't predict the way that
Speaker 2: a virus is gonna beauty or do things. You can try,
Speaker 2: but it's impossible. I'm not politicizing viruses, but never the
Speaker 2: show will never do that. This is when I finally
Speaker 2: pull my mask down, and I'm like, I'm a conspirat,
Speaker 2: I'm a I am Q. And then that's that's what
Speaker 2: the show's about from there on.
Speaker 1: So I love the scenes where they the government comes
Speaker 1: in and they start rounding everyone up in town and
Speaker 1: they just kind of burst into these people's houses and
Speaker 1: they get very far into these people's houses before they
Speaker 1: even seem concerned. Like the guy sitting there in his recliner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two people are on each side of them. He's like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: what's going on? What's happening here?
Speaker 2: And it's also like that thing that we always heard
Speaker 2: right in school about, you know, the Revolutionary War, that
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that didn't want soldiers being
Speaker 2: put up in houses, and there's all these rules for that,
Speaker 2: and like no when stuff goes wrong. This is I
Speaker 2: think Rameira pretty much, And because I think the rest
Speaker 2: of the world this probably doesn't feel like science fiction
Speaker 2: for the time it came out, because people saw Ohio
Speaker 2: State and they saw you know, men like all these
Speaker 2: other riots and stuff like that, where the government was
Speaker 2: doing any things. You would not expect.
Speaker 1: That one guy did let that little girl get hurt.
Speaker 2: All It's interesting because this is another movie like where
Speaker 2: like a lot of early Rameiro movies where it's like,
Speaker 2: don't fall in love with any of these characters because
Speaker 2: probably nobody's making it out. I guess definitely know what is.
Speaker 2: They're hiding in a country club. Sometimes Rameiro uses this
Speaker 2: like people are like, oh, his movies have a subtle
Speaker 2: political algory. It's not always sometimes he's got like a sledgehamdler. Right,
Speaker 2: But they're hiding out in this country club. They want
Speaker 2: to escape through the woods, but like to do that,
Speaker 2: they have to be violent, right to overpower the soldiers.
Speaker 2: So are they living up to what the crazies is
Speaker 2: or is that just in dickn of the situation they're
Speaker 2: in where there's confrontations when people friend against frand it's
Speaker 2: all the things we're told to kind of happen at
Speaker 2: the end of the world, Like things fall apart very
Speaker 2: quickly too. I always think about that, like the end
Speaker 2: of the world, not the end of the world, but
Speaker 2: like when things fall apart, it happens so faster. On
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, I went to and we live we
Speaker 2: live close to Shanksville where the one plane landed, crashed whatever,
Speaker 2: But like grocery stores were overrun within you know, fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes after that, and then you know things. So I
Speaker 2: think that's also realistic about this. Within half a day,
Speaker 2: Evan City is a mess and you've got to fight
Speaker 2: military troops to get out of it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of yelling in this movie.
Speaker 2: I love that though, Like we talked about that all
Speaker 2: the time on our video show, Like we're always like,
Speaker 2: did you hear all the screams? Oh my god, there's
Speaker 2: so many streams. That's why Ala Carta is a top
Speaker 2: ten movie because Alacarta is like ninety minutes of women
Speaker 2: freaking out and it's music my years. I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's see we get another film with a flamethrower. We
Speaker 1: talked about this last time back to back and we
Speaker 1: and then we'll have some more connections with this movie
Speaker 1: in our next movie, but we'll get to that later.
Speaker 2: I love that, Like is that people are guess that's
Speaker 2: the same you guys podcast. Yeah, we're movies about two
Speaker 2: dudes talking about flamethrowers. That's the name of this flunny.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't know what else, what else do
Speaker 1: you have?
Speaker 2: So uh, as David learns everybody's infected, like you know,
Speaker 2: like already hangs himself. Kathy just tries to sneak out
Speaker 2: of her hiding spot. She's pray good. She gets shot
Speaker 2: by soldiers. Do you know what I mean? Like they
Speaker 2: don't even care. Uh. Clank starts to realize that the
Speaker 2: virus is coming.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He engages the soldiers and sacrifices himself. But like by
Speaker 2: the end of it, Judy is so infected that she
Speaker 2: just attacks her own people. And David's like totally broken
Speaker 2: by this and he surrenders himself. But while in custody,
Speaker 2: he just he learns that he's immune to the virus.
Speaker 2: But you know what, he doesn't tell anybody. He's just
Speaker 2: like fuck, you know what I mean? Like at this point,
Speaker 2: who am I helping? And then doctor Watts, who finally,
Speaker 2: even in these horrible situations, like discovers a cure, but
Speaker 2: he's killed and the samples are destored because everything you know,
Speaker 2: falls apart, and by the end, you know, Colonel Packham
Speaker 2: is order to relocate to Louisville. There's already an outbreak
Speaker 2: in Louisville. And in the time you know that we're
Speaker 2: watching this. I think that's another interesting thing because did
Speaker 2: you know this that you know, the Return of the
Speaker 2: Living Dead set in Louisville, and supposedly that's the same
Speaker 2: place they sent this contagion because if you look at
Speaker 2: the nerve agent, it's called triox and like, uh, trixy
Speaker 2: two four five. So I would like to believe the
Speaker 2: Return of the Living deads in the same universe as
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: We'll make it. We're saying it right here, right now.
Speaker 1: This is these are all connected.
Speaker 2: The tagline is why are the Good People Dying? And
Speaker 2: one it should be called what are the Good People dying?
Speaker 2: And yelling at each other? And then it is a
Speaker 2: spoiler warning right in the in the thing, like anyone
Speaker 2: that you care about this movie is they're not going
Speaker 2: to make it. By the end, They're going to call
Speaker 2: in a nuclear plane and just wipe. I might have
Speaker 2: pound off the map. You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know when people ask why
Speaker 1: do bad things happen to good people and always say,
Speaker 1: I guess like usually you're you're the good people, And well,
Speaker 1: you know, why do you think you're the good people? Always?
Speaker 1: In this scenaria? Yeah, what make what makes you good people?
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that my favorite person in this
Speaker 2: movie is Kathy because I love Lynn Wowery, and it's
Speaker 2: funny that she's in two movies that are such a
Speaker 2: similar basic idea, like I drink your blood in this movie.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the spoiler. You might edit that out, yeah,
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, it's that. But it's funny because she's
Speaker 2: also in Shivers. So at some point do you think
Speaker 2: she was like, Hey, could I maybe not be in movies?
Speaker 2: We're some kind of crazy virus begins to impact the
Speaker 2: world and I'm like a drugged out girl staring out
Speaker 2: a window. She's in Cat People too, which one could
Speaker 2: also say is some kind of fever overcomes people. So
Speaker 2: but this movie does have people that were in other stuff.
Speaker 2: While you know David's main character, he's in Close Encounter
Speaker 2: as he was on a lot of TVs and the Enforcer.
Speaker 2: There but a lot of people that crossover into Romero movies,
Speaker 2: like Beyond Richard Franz, there's Woyd Holler, who's the Colonel.
Speaker 2: He's in Night Riders. S Wayne Hensman shows up Is
Speaker 2: it Crazy? So does Ramere is an extra in it too.
Speaker 2: Richard Liberty who is Doctor Logan and Day he's here
Speaker 2: is our playing already? We have Jack the husband from
Speaker 2: season The Witch. That's brew Baker even down to like
Speaker 2: it's wild, like Michael Gornick is one of the crazies.
Speaker 2: He did the director of photography for a lot of
Speaker 2: Romero's films, and he directed Creep Show two. Uh, and
Speaker 2: then we also have Cata Zone. We're going to be
Speaker 2: an animator. He actually tied at the school I graduated from,
Speaker 2: and he did all the animation for Creep Show and
Speaker 2: Evil Dead too. It's like all the stuff you love
Speaker 2: in Creep Show, the cartoons and stuff. That's all the animators.
Speaker 2: Two guys from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I love Creep Show too.
Speaker 2: I do too. I didn't like it as a kid,
Speaker 2: and now I think I kind of prefer it in
Speaker 2: a weird way.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but.
Speaker 2: Really no, because Creep Show has those like a knockouts
Speaker 2: where everything is like super Neon and like, this is
Speaker 2: a podcast, so visually I am showing what Ted Danson
Speaker 2: looks like when he gets caught by Leslie Nielson. But
Speaker 2: it's like very in your face, and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: creep Show's good.
Speaker 1: I love creep not so much on that Stephen King
Speaker 1: Jordie Verel story. Yeah, but that's always always skip it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm like it more than now. I don't
Speaker 1: think I would, but you know Father's Day. When we're
Speaker 1: recording this day, it is Father's Day weekend. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I have your cake. I onto my cake.
Speaker 2: On our video show we actually did. There's a remix
Speaker 2: that starts the show of like disco e lounge music
Speaker 2: and the and Ed Harris dancing from that scene, Like
Speaker 2: his dancing is amazing. What's the thing. The thing that's
Speaker 2: great about Creep Show is like any good portmanteau, you know,
Speaker 2: the movie with with movies within movies is like there's
Speaker 2: at least three or four that are fucking killer, right,
Speaker 2: Like the thing in the crate is amazing. The bugs
Speaker 2: at the end, like them coming out of spoiler it's
Speaker 2: for for forty year old movie. Eg Marshall's mouth, Like
Speaker 2: there's so much good ship in it that you're kind
Speaker 2: of forgiving that. Jody Vero is very depressing and takes
Speaker 2: forever like that's probably why I don't like this story.
Speaker 2: It is depressing Versus I want to see Fluffy come
Speaker 2: out of the crate and just white people out like
Speaker 2: it's shit. It's awesome, that's what people we're here for.
Speaker 1: I love the crate. This is turning into the creep
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Oh, I know, but it's okay, is Romero
Speaker 1: is we can connect. But I think it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: very Romero to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's because it's such an easy comics uh
Speaker 2: pistiche right that it feels like a comic book versus
Speaker 2: like tell Us from the Dark Side, which is in
Speaker 2: the Romero verse because he produced it, wrote a lot
Speaker 2: of the episodes, and the movie I think is kind
Speaker 2: of like what feels more Romero than Creep Show does
Speaker 2: because he's not aping like a look or feel you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess just from the previous Romero films, it's
Speaker 1: lacking any sort of social commentary at all. I think
Speaker 1: Creep Show, I guess. I guess you could put some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's the second one with the what's Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's why I like it. And I
Speaker 2: also like that a lot of the nobody in it
Speaker 2: is really innocent in the same way that happens in
Speaker 2: easy comics. Like yeah, ted Danson's sleeping around and h
Speaker 2: cheating with Leslie Nielsen's wife, but he's also a horrible
Speaker 2: person too, but like so when but it's like the
Speaker 2: story is so simple, right, Like they cheaters get caught,
Speaker 2: but you know what they had true love, So they
Speaker 2: come back as swamp monsters and kill the guy and
Speaker 2: it's like, man, it's it's and it flies. So even
Speaker 2: if you hate one of the stories, you're like, cool,
Speaker 2: let's move next one. When Creep Show three came out,
Speaker 2: it's probably the maddest I had been until I eventually
Speaker 2: got a real job and they like moved on and
Speaker 2: had real problems. I was like, sure, three, no.
Speaker 1: But but I haven't. Part of me was like the
Speaker 1: completionist part of me says, you need to watch this,
Speaker 1: and the rational aside of me says, no, you do well.
Speaker 2: Two has the raft, which is I will, especially around
Speaker 2: here there's a lot of areas because swimming there's still
Speaker 2: steel mill junk in it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So it's bad. So I know where Rimro got that.
Speaker 2: But the older I get, the more that I love
Speaker 2: the old Chief wooden Head story because like when I
Speaker 2: was younger, I saw myself, as you know, the Native
Speaker 2: Americans trying to get a town or like the other
Speaker 2: people to now I'm older. I'm like, I'm one hundred
Speaker 2: percent Geards Kennedy. I'm exhausted. I just want to finish
Speaker 2: work and get these kids out of my store.
Speaker 1: We might talk more about creep shouting next episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, awesome, But back back to the crazies. There's
Speaker 2: some people that went on to stuff in this. Roger
Speaker 2: Aaron Brown was in Action Jackson and Lane Carroll was
Speaker 2: in Hercules in New York and Motorcycle. Okay better, but
Speaker 2: uh yeah, so I have some facts, some Rometo facts
Speaker 2: about this. Let's see. Some people consider Nightmare at Noon
Speaker 2: and Mutant remakes of this movie. I don't think so. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like they're remakes of this. They're just
Speaker 2: movies about infection from the government.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. I haven't seen either one of those same.
Speaker 2: It's not bad if you like wings Hauser and who doesn't. Right, No,
Speaker 2: Hollywood Sun people were using this movie no shit, licensed
Speaker 2: firework professionals. I know where they're from from, Zembelly Fireworks
Speaker 2: and Newcastle handled all the action sequence. Would you let
Speaker 2: a fireworks person put a squib on you and blow
Speaker 2: it up off your chest?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Knowing what I know now they blow up their factory
Speaker 2: every five or six years, like I'm not going to
Speaker 2: trust them to put like what could be the thing
Speaker 2: that kills me on my chest?
Speaker 1: Was this budget or squibs?
Speaker 2: This is the budget for this was out of control?
Speaker 2: That should be a thing we check at the end,
Speaker 2: like what was the squib or swim? The screenplay was
Speaker 2: read by Lee Hessel, who owned Campus Films, and Rameiro
Speaker 2: had made There's Always Van l with him. He had
Speaker 2: expressed interest and offered to finance it, but only if
Speaker 2: he'd be willing to have the most important thing in
Speaker 2: the screenplay. He won the military in it, and that
Speaker 2: happened sooner than Ramera wanted. He made this for don't
Speaker 2: ever believe what they tell you on bud just about
Speaker 2: a little under three hundred thousand. But Campus is super
Speaker 2: interesting to me because they released some wild movies including Aroused,
Speaker 2: the Deadly Organ, which is incredible, Sappho, Darling, Anita, Cry Uncle,
Speaker 2: all four Ulsa movies, Vampire Like. They really put out
Speaker 2: art movies, as they say, you know.
Speaker 1: And Ilsa is an art movie. Yeah, I think so
Speaker 1: the first one. I've only seen the first one.
Speaker 2: Oh well it's too Yeah, you would say that, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The closing credit song Heaven Help Us is by Beverly Bremmers,
Speaker 2: but it was the first record a song ever written
Speaker 2: by Melissa Manchester, who wrote it alongside Carol bay Or Sager.
Speaker 2: So some Tim ban ally writers like, I wonder where
Speaker 2: they're going to use my song. It's an operation Trinsy,
Speaker 2: good name, Trisy.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the remakey, what did you think about that?
Speaker 2: They shot it in Pittsburgh? Okay, so that's good, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess, ok okay, you're more interested in what I do,
Speaker 2: and then I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that sounds good. I had seen the remake first,
Speaker 1: so i'd seen that soon after it came out, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was okay. I thought it was decent,
Speaker 1: and at that time I rewatched it now and I
Speaker 1: did not care for it as much. It just didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of joy in it. And it feels
Speaker 1: very twenty ten. It's not interested in any sort of
Speaker 1: social commentary.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: You know, it does have the sheriff as the main character,
Speaker 1: and it puts the you know, the sheriff and the
Speaker 1: citizens more at the center of the film than any
Speaker 1: sort of government can or bureaucracy or malfeasance or what
Speaker 1: have you. I did like that we basically get the
Speaker 1: the mayor of Jaws in this movie and the remake
Speaker 1: crazy and they're like, we cannot turn the water off
Speaker 1: because there's planting season, so.
Speaker 2: Is it planning season or they also it's like, let's
Speaker 2: sleeping corpses lie that they have this machine in the field.
Speaker 2: One ball.
Speaker 1: And then the overall My my thought was it's kind
Speaker 1: of was the film that bridges the gap between something
Speaker 1: like twenty eight Days Later and The Walking Dead.
Speaker 2: That's genius. I agree with you, but I mean he also, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of Walking Dead that rips off movies because, uh,
Speaker 2: the one girl that's in it was just like Princess
Speaker 2: from one of the Bronx movies. So like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of like weird like, oh, he watched but that
Speaker 2: makes sense, you know. I'm sure the Raider grew up
Speaker 2: during the this is the Comic Book version, Yeah, during
Speaker 2: the same VHS era we did. I do like of
Speaker 2: the sequel, the sequel remake, whatever we want to call it,
Speaker 2: reimagining that Lynn Lowry's in it is a cameo. That's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. I'm happy to see here you get work
Speaker 2: in a bigger budget movie. But if you didn't see
Speaker 2: the original, I guess it's good. It's a twenty eight
Speaker 2: Days Later type, you know, infection story. It's not or
Speaker 2: contagion or outbreak. It feels like it came out around
Speaker 2: the time of those movies, so it's less, like you said,
Speaker 2: a social commentary movie and more just like, give me
Speaker 2: another one of these community just kind of a conspiracy thing.
Speaker 1: That post nine to eleven just not torture, but just
Speaker 1: kind of we're just gonna have horror for horror's sake.
Speaker 2: Do you think I did have a question about that
Speaker 2: having seen both, Like between the twenty ten remake had
Speaker 2: obviously much bigger production value, But do you think the
Speaker 2: polished book hurt the film? Like does it? Was that
Speaker 2: refernd the edges grit that makes I think that's what
Speaker 2: I like about the Crazies. Like you said, the other
Speaker 2: one's no fun. Even though this is a downer story,
Speaker 2: there is fun and it feels like edgy and it
Speaker 2: feels like you are there, and I don't feel like
Speaker 2: that with the sequel.
Speaker 1: I think the editing is really something we hadn't talked about,
Speaker 1: But the editing on The Crazies, the original The Romero
Speaker 1: Crazies is really gives it that frenetic pace, that need
Speaker 1: that the story needs, and that's not the case in
Speaker 1: that remake.
Speaker 2: This, it feels like in the way in the same
Speaker 2: way the twenty eight Days Later makes the infected or
Speaker 2: zobvious move faster. It's a different thing in this, Like
Speaker 2: the frenetic pace is such a difference to If you
Speaker 2: skip the movies two moves in between and watch Night
Speaker 2: and This, you can see that he's grown to do
Speaker 2: a lot of different things as a director and with
Speaker 2: his editors. And that's kind of what I like about
Speaker 2: The Crazies, like gets you know, it feels like it's
Speaker 2: it's very much like a pursuit stop movie versus being
Speaker 2: walled up in a house.
Speaker 1: You know, right, did Romero? How involved was he in editing?
Speaker 1: And because I know he was in writing, cinematography, editing,
Speaker 1: was he pretty heavily involved in these first several films?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: I know he was not a writer on There's Always Vanilla.
Speaker 2: I think that coming from the advertising world, he definitely
Speaker 2: was sitting in with But I also know that he
Speaker 2: shot tons of film, you know, and he was always
Speaker 2: like going way over, like his initial cuts are longer,
Speaker 2: so I imagine that he was really sitting in and trying.
Speaker 2: There may have been a point though, you know where
Speaker 2: he stepped out is you know sometimes that happens and
Speaker 2: you know because you're just like, I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he co wrote this with Paul McCollough, who
Speaker 2: he wrote with, and that guy did tons of music
Speaker 2: for the major ettes, Heartstopper, he edited a flash Eater.
Speaker 2: So he's like, when you see these names of Pear
Speaker 2: Mall movies, like people in Pittsburgh, if you've worked with somebody,
Speaker 2: you're had to work with him again here to bring
Speaker 2: them on, do you know what I mean. That's just
Speaker 2: the way that it works, especially within that industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I watched some other movies in conjunction with
Speaker 1: this that I thought would work. Let's see what what
Speaker 1: do I want to start with. It's just a couple.
Speaker 1: I had both of them rewatches, and the genre Loans
Speaker 1: of the Grapes of Death was the first one.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to hear about that I had.
Speaker 1: I had seen it before, and I think what led
Speaker 1: me to the Crazies in the first place, was after
Speaker 1: watching The Grapes of Death and seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: reviews on letterbox where people were comparing the two, and
Speaker 1: you know, I definitely get it. There's it's environmental horror
Speaker 1: and there's something going on in the Great Fields in
Speaker 1: France and uh brigitt La Hayes in this movie. And
Speaker 1: I did not remember that. I did not know who
Speaker 1: she was whenever I watched it, so I probably first
Speaker 1: watched in twenty twenty one had no idea who she was.
Speaker 1: Now I do, And when she first comes on the
Speaker 1: scene on Grapes, I mean I think I audibly gasped,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was so taken aback you made.
Speaker 2: The noise I do. When Luna Romes shows up in
Speaker 2: You Were, I'm like, oh, Lena or Candy Coster, Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, that's can't help it. It's joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think if I were to pick, I
Speaker 1: want to definitely pair with I think I would I'd
Speaker 1: go with David Crounnenberg's Rabbit, just because it's more of
Speaker 1: the government response in the Canadian government response. Canada is
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna kill you, and you know, shoot
Speaker 1: them on site, like you know, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: keep these people a lot. They're not going to get better.
Speaker 1: Just kill them and save save the taxpayers money.
Speaker 2: And do it during Christmas, like I say it to
Speaker 2: sitting there, like just come in and go wild. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a good double for this.
Speaker 1: And it has Marilynd Chambers walking around in a fur
Speaker 1: coat and right what Canadian City is that I can't
Speaker 1: remember making.
Speaker 2: I liked that this all is like plastic. Just the
Speaker 2: word of Crodenberg is amazing. I love when just to
Speaker 2: be in it for seconds at a time.
Speaker 1: So do you have any films that you think would
Speaker 1: go well with the crazies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nightmare City I think is a good one because it's.
Speaker 1: It's almost to see if I've seen that, because I
Speaker 1: get I get movies confused with like Nightmare Beach Nightmare City,
Speaker 1: and I love.
Speaker 2: Nightmare Beach maybe more well that that's a whole other
Speaker 2: show to talk about Tom Jackson, that movie. Imagine if
Speaker 2: somebody took the new, the somewhat nuanced ideas of Ramero
Speaker 2: in this movie and was like, what if we made
Speaker 2: the Italian version? And that's completely what it is. And
Speaker 2: at one point Savini was supposed to director remaking Nightmare
Speaker 2: City if people kick started it and stuff, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this doesn't feel like something that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: So I didn't kickstarter and it hasn't happened. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sad because I love I can't wait to hear
Speaker 2: what you think of this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna prower it. I'm gonna add this
Speaker 1: to my wife.
Speaker 2: There is an aerobic scene in that movie that is
Speaker 2: fucking insane. Like there also probably the best dummy drop
Speaker 2: in the history of dummy drops, Oh okay is in
Speaker 2: that movie. Like, when you see it, you'll know it
Speaker 2: won't be a surprise. You'll be like, and also it's
Speaker 2: also a moment where you're like, I did not expect
Speaker 2: that to happen in a very significant way that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen in other movies. That's my only spoilers for a
Speaker 2: Night Mercy. I God of love that movie. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: I wish I had never seen it so I could
Speaker 2: see it again for the first time. That's how much
Speaker 2: I love that movie, right. I brought in some all
Speaker 2: titles for this movie too, I thought would be helpful
Speaker 2: because I like how the rest of the world sees it.
Speaker 2: In Brazil it was called the Extermination Army. Okay, that
Speaker 2: that makes sense right. In Finland Taste of Death or
Speaker 2: all infected will be destroyed, which sounds like like you'll
Speaker 2: notice by the trail of the Dead cover band. In
Speaker 2: France it was either called Experiment two thousand, which dig
Speaker 2: it or not living Heuristic. Yeah, well there's another really
Speaker 2: futuristic one coming, not Eve Living mad Men. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Quarantine the Sky Rain Death. That's from Greece Italy. The
Speaker 2: city will be destroyed at dawn. That's that's a fucking
Speaker 2: great title, is what that is?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: In Mexico is called Collapse brutal Extermination. In Portugal, war
Speaker 2: on the Virus of Madness. But only Canada could come
Speaker 2: up with the best title, Cosmos eight five, eight nine
Speaker 2: or eight five by. When I read that, I was
Speaker 2: like Jesus Christ, I would go see that movie in
Speaker 2: a fucking heartbeat, because it sounds like what am I
Speaker 2: going to see? Like, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I wonder how I played in any other country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it were crazy, that's what they thought. Probably. I
Speaker 2: have a couple questions that I came up with for this,
Speaker 2: and I thought it would be interesting to discuss. One
Speaker 2: is you know, Ramero like really leans heavily into the
Speaker 2: post Vietnam and Watergate cynicism here. Do you think the
Speaker 2: faceless military portrayal on this movie was the critique of
Speaker 2: government incompetence or that they're not incompetent, that they're just
Speaker 2: like you said, outright horrible two people.
Speaker 1: It's probably not deliberately incompetent. I don't know, it can
Speaker 1: be both. I guess you can be incompetent and malicious
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also, like you said, he gives that the
Speaker 2: one guy does tell what the little girl get her toy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that it's not there are some shades of gray in
Speaker 2: between what he's showing. I think too, it's interesting to like,
Speaker 2: whatever behavior you do against the government, if you don't comply, obviously,
Speaker 2: like you said, they can kill you because they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: well he's doing you know, he's violent and he's attacking authority,
Speaker 2: and he must have the virus. Did everybody that they
Speaker 2: kill have the virus? I'm good to say no, no,
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, if you the village to save it,
Speaker 2: as they.
Speaker 1: Say, right, that's what Well, that was the rationale, is
Speaker 1: that you would have to be insane to not let
Speaker 1: the government come in and handle this. If you're against
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do, then you obviously are infected
Speaker 1: and you know, insane, which is not the case just
Speaker 1: because you don't agree with what the government's doing.
Speaker 2: This is different than like why this isn't a zombie
Speaker 2: movie too, is like, uh, the line between the sane
Speaker 2: and the crazies is on both sides is really thin.
Speaker 2: And it's also like you could be you could start
Speaker 2: as a government person and then be infected right and
Speaker 2: then you're not on the right sideywhere. But if once
Speaker 2: you're if you're already the infected, you're stuck. Do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like for your wife.
Speaker 1: I guess one last thing we did not talk about
Speaker 1: was the lady with the knitting needle. I'll have to
Speaker 1: talk about her.
Speaker 2: That picture was anytime you would see a picture of
Speaker 2: the crazies in fangoria or like in a book, they
Speaker 2: would put that in. As a kid, when I saw
Speaker 2: the trailer, you know, the TV commercial for this, I
Speaker 2: always thought, oh, that guy is trying to attack her
Speaker 2: that because he looks like a stormtrooper or like, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like a creature and so
Speaker 2: whatever he like comes in, I'm like, oh no, but
Speaker 2: now when you see it, right, that seems amazing and
Speaker 2: just like how slow the blood comes out. It's so good.
Speaker 1: He's he's I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Speaker 1: She's not buying it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: At the end, when David hides his community, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like the last mystery of the town. Do you
Speaker 2: think that this movie ends with no hope or is
Speaker 2: there like a little bit of hope that something that
Speaker 2: I kind of go back and forth on after I
Speaker 2: watched it.
Speaker 1: Well, I did not find any hope, So maybe I
Speaker 1: would need to rewatch it to look at it that way,
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's they're never going to know
Speaker 1: that he has the immunity that they're looking for.
Speaker 2: It's funny because like it's I was just talking to
Speaker 2: Bill about a couple weeks, like last weekend about the
Speaker 2: you know, there's this unreleased, non edited and ending of
Speaker 2: don that's like, you know, the dark ending where you know,
Speaker 2: everybody killed, everybody dies or kills themselves, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: to me, that's like Romara's heart is even when things
Speaker 2: seem at they're worse in his movies, there's always a
Speaker 2: like but also this, you know, also these people got
Speaker 2: out or also this beat Mingham. That's why the main
Speaker 2: reason I well a lot of reasons, but that I
Speaker 2: hate the remake of Down because even though they get out,
Speaker 2: there's like a zombies on the island and they're screwed again,
Speaker 2: like there's no hope, Like I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 2: the Catholic, do you know what I mean? Like that,
Speaker 2: Like I'm like I would like there to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: everybody can die and I'm fine with it, but like
Speaker 2: maybe one person gets out, like or maybe something happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that's the craziest anything else you have
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 2: No would you ask? Yeah? So if if someone said
Speaker 2: you should I watch this, did you say yes or no?
Speaker 1: Yes? I would say definitely yes, especially I think people
Speaker 1: will get more out of it in the post COVID
Speaker 1: world then maybe they would have beforehand.
Speaker 2: This made me also reevaluate as I watched it. I'm
Speaker 2: so like, if you watch Romero post day or now,
Speaker 2: I'd say post let's say post Creep Show two, it's there,
Speaker 2: aren't that many good ones, like I don't like Monkey Shines.
Speaker 2: There's a few other ones I don't like. And it's
Speaker 2: like so growing up in that era, I was like
Speaker 2: always let down that he wasn't making like movies as
Speaker 2: good as Dawn. But now that I'm older and I know,
Speaker 2: like you know how long you work at a job,
Speaker 2: and that's tired. Hit, Like I've really was unfair on Romero.
Speaker 2: If he only made Night, he would be incredible, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like if he only made Night
Speaker 2: Dawn and I would say Season of the Witch. This
Speaker 2: movie Martin's my favorite of his movies. But it's like
Speaker 2: Man in the same way people I call where Ghente
Speaker 2: fell off, Like no, these dudes had heavy Not many
Speaker 2: directors get like eight great movies like eight with the
Speaker 2: top of the live movies. What was I think, like
Speaker 2: the sixteen year old meet that in so and that
Speaker 2: like Jerky that I was like Georgia Merrick co On,
Speaker 2: if I could reinvent the world every time you made
Speaker 2: your movie. What a pressure to put on a man.
Speaker 2: He made creep Show. That's good enough, young Sam, good enough.
Speaker 2: Let him go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to more, and we'll have more
Speaker 1: RAMERI talk when we get to Martin, which.
Speaker 2: I again I have you have not Stan.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna wait until we cover it here.
Speaker 4: So this is all I'm gonna fly down to your
Speaker 4: house and watch it with This is all up to you,
Speaker 4: and you were ready to talk about it. I will
Speaker 4: be watching it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I do you know how excited I
Speaker 2: am for someone to not have seen Martin to experience
Speaker 2: it for the first time. Oh my god, that is amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, what we will be talking about next time is
Speaker 1: when we have talked about it already, as I Drink
Speaker 1: Your Blood and that maybe I don't know, we'll see
Speaker 1: I would say it's could it be my favorite film
Speaker 1: in this book? I don't know. Maybe it is definitely
Speaker 1: up there, and I've rewatched it and I loved it
Speaker 1: just as much the second time. But we do have
Speaker 1: the connection. Again, Lynn Lowry is in I Drink Your Blood.
Speaker 1: She was in this one. And there was another connection
Speaker 1: I thought of is that both films have a scene
Speaker 1: where someone sets themselves on fire.
Speaker 2: I have a spoiler for next week, though, I would
Speaker 2: say the first minute and a half of I Drink
Speaker 2: Your Blood are the greatest thing to ever happened to
Speaker 2: ever be filmed? Like when there are and he's like,
Speaker 2: Satan is an acid out. I was the first time
Speaker 2: I saw it was like Jesus christis movie is everything
Speaker 2: like it hasn't even started yet, and I love everything
Speaker 2: about this movie. It's such a visceral love. So yeah, spoiler,
Speaker 2: we're both good to like gush over probably the next
Speaker 2: week's movie. I think these movies. Is this like you
Speaker 2: know how in old DC comics when you had Earth
Speaker 2: one or two? Earth two is just kind of different, right,
Speaker 2: Will next week's movie be the Earth too version of
Speaker 2: this week? Not this week's but this episode, I should say,
Speaker 2: this episode's movie. It feels like, yeah, they both have
Speaker 2: man lowery. They both have something said on fire like
Speaker 2: the people going insane and out of there. They do
Speaker 2: not have kids wacky high jinks with his dog meat
Speaker 2: Pie injecting. That is the craziest idea that starts other
Speaker 2: engraves of death. Both of those are like crazy, like
Speaker 2: we've run out of ideas for zombie movies. What if
Speaker 2: it was infected? So there's not one vegan in that
Speaker 2: groupoil next week?
Speaker 1: No, someone didn't, Well, well we'll talk about it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about Okay, So I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: a vegan, just.
Speaker 2: That would be that would be the modern twenty if
Speaker 2: they made the twenty eleven remake it was too dark
Speaker 2: to see a staying music in it. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 2: would happen in that.
Speaker 1: So join us next time for Drink Your Blood. And
Speaker 1: I guess we should try to plug something. I did
Speaker 1: send that first episode down there, like you know, like
Speaker 1: honest suggests you plug the things that you have before
Speaker 1: you sign off. So I have absolutely nothing other than
Speaker 1: this podcast and my letter boxed account, which is as hearsy,
Speaker 1: and you never know, sometimes I pop up writing for
Speaker 1: Sam Side. I wish I had more time to do
Speaker 1: that lately. Chattanooga Film festivals coming up, and I would
Speaker 1: love to write some stuff about that, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's so, if I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: time for it.
Speaker 2: I can't. That's my favorite festival of the year, mind you.
Speaker 2: It's because they make it's such a great experience of
Speaker 2: like the appworks and like better than huge fests, and
Speaker 2: like the Midnight Movie every the Mystery or The Red Eye.
Speaker 2: The Red Eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched so much The Divine enforcer, obsession, a
Speaker 1: taste of fear. These were things that it might.
Speaker 2: Be my favorite.
Speaker 1: Jolly well, it has a what's the needle drop?
Speaker 3: In that?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's Huey Lewis? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 4: He?
Speaker 2: In that one?
Speaker 1: There's another? No, it's like, uh, I think Midnight.
Speaker 2: Bye Yeah by Byfferent Foreigner. Yeah, Lewis is in uh
Speaker 2: too Beautiful to Die? Uh stuck on news, in which
Speaker 2: I was like, what I don't like when recognizable music
Speaker 2: is in my Jolley right, and it's always like kid
Speaker 2: Creole and the Coconuts in those movies, or like, uh, hey,
Speaker 2: here's a late Chicago Post Peter Sara song that Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, okay, so what do you have to plug? Maybe
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about Chattanooga Film Festival on your site.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be doing Chattanooga Film Festival, I say too,
Speaker 2: And I can't wait. I really should have just called
Speaker 2: off from work, but again I'll do what I always do,
Speaker 2: just watch too many movies, h okay, and being spot
Speaker 2: movies is where you go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, ns men, or you're hearing her on Instagram and
Speaker 1: all the everything, everything.
Speaker 2: Other than my Facebook, because my Facebook's always been in
Speaker 2: my name, but people even on Facebook or the kids listening.
Speaker 1: My wife is on there. That's when I'm on there
Speaker 1: because she'll send me stuff on Messenger as how she can.
Speaker 1: That's how she communicates with me. Social media wized, So
Speaker 1: can you join a different social media so I can
Speaker 1: just leave Facebook?
Speaker 2: I agree with you if there was another social media
Speaker 2: that allows you to easily send invites when you want
Speaker 2: people to come over and do something, and told you
Speaker 2: people's birthdays. These are both incredible things because I I
Speaker 2: would not know what people's birthdays are, so having them
Speaker 2: on Facebook, there has to be a better tech doing this.
Speaker 2: Like it's like, hey, I hate everything else about Imagine
Speaker 2: if you were a kid and they said there's gonna
Speaker 2: be this thing that you're gonna fucking hate and then
Speaker 2: people kill themselves over cool. But y'all know what people's
Speaker 2: birthdays are, right, Mike, you know what? Sign me up? Right?
Speaker 1: All right? Join us next time for I drink your
Speaker 1: blood by y'all, see, I've got another If you like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: I I'm just going to get out right here,