1 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, fellow hobbyists, to episode three eighty nine of 2 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:32,640 Hobby Hotline The Sports Card Show, where you can be 3 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,560 a part of the show. All you got to do 4 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,039 is click that link that I put already in the 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,159 chat and you can be up here on screen and 6 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:49,159 interacting in the conversation. So with me this week, Chris Harris, 7 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:55,600 Welcome to the show and every So, what do you 8 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,479 got going on? Chris? In your world? 9 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: I'm still covering from my surgery on my arm, my 10 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:10,879 second so go see the doctor on Monday, see how 11 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:17,599 it's going on. What's what's now? It's progressing. There's actually 12 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,480 a card show down here this weekend in Jobath Beach, 13 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:25,719 and I can't recall the last time there was a 14 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,239 card show in this part of Delaware in years, so 15 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:35,879 I don't know what to expect. It's probably going to 16 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,680 be like most card shows these days, at least a 17 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:47,359 third Pokemon so but still it's advertised as like a 18 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,640 one hundred and thirty table show, so even if a 19 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:56,079 third of them or Pokemon, that's about eighty to ninety 20 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,519 tables of sports cards. So I'll look forward to that tomorrow. 21 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Sounds good. 22 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: How about you, Rich? What's what's going on? 23 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 3: Well, last weekend I ran my small fun twenty table 24 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,960 synagogue show by one person. We drew more people than 25 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,800 we'd ever drawn to the building before. And I know 26 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,560 because I sit and I keep track of the admissions. 27 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,960 And when I say admissions, it's a suggested donation, so 28 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,560 we don't insist you pay if you if you want 29 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:31,120 to say I want to come in, we let you in. 30 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,400 But in a small, little twenty show, we had very 31 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:41,680 little TCG stuff. But I had at least three of 32 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:44,400 my vendors crack four figures. 33 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: And sales. 34 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,719 Speaker 3: And one sold I know one sold an Eerdie Banks rookie. 35 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,879 I know another did a three thousand dollars deal. I 36 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,080 know the other one I'm talking about did two thousand 37 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:58,400 dollars in the first two hours. I never asked him 38 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:02,039 again how much he did except on Sunday, except on 39 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,199 Monday morning, because being in a synagogue, we can't do Saturday. 40 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,960 So Monday morning somebody brought him an eighty six seven 41 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,360 through eighty nine ninety flare sets and he paid cash 42 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,759 for them, so he obviously did quite well. Because buying 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,840 flear sets or Flare sets, you know, those first couple 44 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,360 have some pretty decent cards to. 45 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:27,439 Speaker 4: Them, and next week I'll go to a three hundred 46 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:32,039 table show where and we were talking in the green room. 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:39,439 Speaker 3: The promoter opened up part of the show because he 48 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:42,120 wasn't selling all the sports cables either, so there was 49 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,280 a corner in the room he wasn't using, so he 50 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,439 added one hundred TCG tables, and we were trading emails 51 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:52,000 back and forth, like, hey, you know, it's your show, 52 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,639 and I get the business decision. You're bringing him more 53 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,159 money and it's your you know you need to bring 54 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,120 it in, and I get that one hundred percent. He 55 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,840 says what I wouldn't believe, as I've actually sold a 56 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,199 whole bunch more sports card tables because of bringing in 57 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,560 the TCG people, which to me sounded a counterintuitive, But 58 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,719 I guess everybody has a different things. But I'm looking 59 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,519 forward to that next weekend. And then you know today, 60 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,480 oh yeah, today my local card store. They're part of 61 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:27,560 the WAX I call it Empire of somewhere in the 62 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:31,560 somewhere thirty or giver take amount of stores. This is 63 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,199 since it's the last Saturday of the month, their company 64 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:38,800 wide trade night or trade afternoon at all of their 65 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,480 stores so I will pop into one of their stores 66 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:42,279 this afternoon. 67 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: All right, sounds good? Yeah, myself here Portland, Oregon, as 68 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:56,560 a vintage collector, I have already started counting down the 69 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,240 days to going to the National because I'm not a 70 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,639 modern basketball collector, which is heavily influenced here with the 71 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:10,399 Trailblazers being our only major team, or TCG dominates our 72 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,879 pathetic little card shows. So yeah, I do not have 73 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:20,079 the availability for in person experiences for what I'm collecting 74 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,800 in this region. So it's time to say hi to 75 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,079 the chat. I only host this once a month, but 76 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,279 I see the same names almost every time I'm running 77 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:37,720 this show, so I gotta give shout outs to these 78 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,639 folks in the chat. Here. We got Rubin of confluenced 79 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,439 sports cards. Good morning. We got a baseball card, curmudgeon 80 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:53,000 matt' able in Vegas. Laura, can't read your last name. 81 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:58,120 I need my reading glasses. Yank me card, Steve, how 82 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:02,160 do you produse on foul ball? Dan Still City DW 83 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:06,920 We got Chris C. Carl all the way from Australia 84 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,839 is watching us again, and Larry Gitlin. We got Jayhawk 85 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,199 or vintage car? This mic out there there we go. 86 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:21,720 So yeah, looking forward to seeing you as well at 87 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,120 the National. So I'm actually gonna be rooming with Eddie's 88 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:35,480 cardboard chaos this year. But first topic, the big news. 89 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,959 It is all over every channel as soon as they 90 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,439 came out. So we've got to talk about, you know, 91 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:47,439 the eight hundred pound gorilla in our hobby that you know, 92 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:53,839 whenever they do a big move, it rattles people across 93 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,680 the board. And we're talking PSA now shutting down all 94 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,759 of their value offerings and now what is it? Eighty 95 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,199 eighty five dollars. It's the lowest you can get a 96 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:14,519 card grading graded with them. Your your thoughts, Chris on 97 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,519 this happening now? 98 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I read on Twitter that in one 99 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:29,040 day this week, PSA received four hundred and fifty thousand cards, 100 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:36,079 four one hundred and fifty thousand cards in one day, 101 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:41,800 and it's like, no wonder they can't keep up. I mean, 102 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,160 I think there are two reasons for this. First of all, TCGs, 103 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,720 the whole TCG hobby has kind of been late adopters 104 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,240 of the concept of grading. They're kind of where we 105 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,439 were at in sports cards maybe twenty five or thirty 106 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:12,319 years ago when in regards to grading. So everybody's going back. Well, 107 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,439 you know, it's because with TCGs, people actually played with 108 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:20,639 their cards back then. They didn't think of them as 109 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:27,240 collectibles that needed to be protected and graded. And now 110 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:31,519 people are going back back in their old stashes and 111 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,799 subbing them and seeing what I seeing what they're getting 112 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,879 for what kind of grades that they might potentially get. 113 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,240 The other thing is that you have a lot of 114 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:50,039 people in both TCG and the sports card hobby that 115 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:57,039 are subbing cards that really shouldn't be subbed. And I'm 116 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:04,360 talking like Bass Rookies from Series one Tops high number 117 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:10,039 and unnumbered parallels from Series one Tops cards like that, 118 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:14,240 and the return on investment, even if you do get 119 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,600 a nine and a half or a ten, the value 120 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,039 you add to that card really really shouldn't be all 121 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:29,559 that much. So I think, yeah, I think it's probably 122 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:35,080 going to as long as more and more TCG is 123 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,000 being submitted, and as more as more and more Bass 124 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:45,120 Rookies and Bass cards and you know, filler inserts from 125 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:51,200 flagship products keep getting submitted, PSA is going to keep 126 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,200 having these problems and they're just going to keep having 127 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,279 these backlogs. 128 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, as well, back to the TCG. I mean, are 129 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,000 they also in the space now where their hobby is 130 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,840 so hot that they're essentially grading the cards that are 131 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:17,519 equivalent to twenty twenty one Gavin Lux's the Yeah are 132 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:18,559 now coasters? 133 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:20,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much? 134 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: Okay, a couple of things. Way back in the day, 135 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,320 when we at Beckett we're starting Beckett grading, you know, 136 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,840 we in our price guide area would just say, you know, 137 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,759 logically you should not submit a card for grading, and 138 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:44,080 there would be some exceptions like if you wanted to 139 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:49,200 get any mental playing your card guslab that was fine, 140 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,960 you know, those those type of exceptions, but you should 141 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,360 not be grading a card, or you should only pay 142 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,799 fifteen percent of the value of the card to get 143 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,639 a graded. One of the great strengths of the PSA 144 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:06,279 registry has also turned out to be one of the 145 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:12,639 great weaknesses of the PSA registry, where that simple mathematic 146 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,399 coll equation is gone, because if you think you have 147 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,919 a perfect eighty eight tops that you think you get 148 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:21,360 a tent on it, you were sending it in even 149 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:24,039 back in the day, well when when it was five 150 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,879 or six dollars for a card, it didn't sound so bad. Now, 151 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:31,440 whatever price level it is. It's not good, but we 152 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,919 are used to that. And the other problem is is 153 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,080 PSA has always scaled up in modern days. You know, 154 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,759 I was reading and people forgot there's an office in 155 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:46,039 New Jersey where they greade cards. They've got an office 156 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:49,200 in Boco, Florida, near SGC, if not in the same 157 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,159 building SGC was in. They've got their main hub in California. 158 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:59,120 I believe they have offices in England, Germany and Japan. 159 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,480 I could be wrong, trying to keep up with all 160 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:06,120 their foreign offices are so they have been scaling up 161 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,440 for years and they're still getting overwhelmed. And it's a 162 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,600 very tough business decision. We have to stop the spay 163 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:20,679 it otherwise, you know, at some point you pricing everybody out. 164 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,799 So right now we have to do a short term 165 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:27,679 of pricing everybody out so we can get back to 166 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,159 where we can start pricing everybody in. And we went 167 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,279 through this in twenty twenty one PSAQ. You know they 168 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,960 had you know, there were famous photos of the floor 169 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,480 of PSA offices with nothing but unopened boxes of cards. 170 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,399 So we've been here before. We've seen this movie before. 171 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,600 I thought it was a mistake. It wasn't a mistake 172 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,679 as it turned out, so I don't think it's going 173 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,559 to be a mistake again to put a kibash on 174 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:03,200 lower tiers submissions for a while to catch the backlog. 175 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,360 And here's the other thing. People say, Oh, you know, 176 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:14,200 why don't they hire more graders. It's not easy. Grading 177 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,840 is not easy. Okay, maybe if you're doing modern twenty 178 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:21,519 twenty six cards, grading is easy, but a lot of 179 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:24,840 stuff it's not easy for and you have to know 180 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,200 what to look for in a whole group of sets, 181 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,600 and therefore scaling up is a lot more difficult than 182 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:36,159 you think it is. Even if graders are getting paid 183 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,679 good money, it's still more difficult because sometimes you can't 184 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,480 be a dealer or you can't even have the side 185 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:46,639 hustle if you if you're working for PSA and so 186 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:49,399 you have to so you have to consider all that 187 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,720 before you go to work for anybody. 188 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: John, I just do it. 189 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. This is a donut graph from the website 190 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,480 gem rate. I don't know if you guys are familiar 191 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:06,240 with gem rate, but they actually go. 192 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: The monthly yeah, just for curiosity sake. 193 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: So this graph shows all the cards that have been 194 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,200 graded by the three four major grading houses over the 195 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:24,720 last thirty days. And as you can see this teal 196 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:29,600 colored for those of you listening, you can't see this, 197 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,679 but almost two thirds of the cards that they've graded 198 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,759 over the last thirty days have been TCGs and then 199 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:45,000 baseball is second with about maybe ten percent, Basketball about 200 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:49,720 seven or eight. So yeah, this is the problem now, 201 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:56,120 is the TCG hobby has discovered grading and is now 202 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,120 swamping the major grading houses, especially PSA, with their cards. 203 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,720 This is the reason why you're seeing this this pause. 204 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:14,039 Here you can see almost one and a half million 205 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,200 TCG cards in the last thirty days. 206 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a million total. I wonder the TCG folks 207 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,240 going to be as finicky about the grading company as 208 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,480 sports card people tend to be, and will we see 209 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:42,559 another major player grading TCG. So you know, this is 210 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:45,080 kind of the time where we ended up having all 211 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,679 kinds of new grading companies in twenty twenty one pop up, 212 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:53,399 you know, with like HGA for a while. 213 00:15:55,679 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm surprised there isn't one grading company out there that 214 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,159 says they will not accept sports cards. We're just gonna 215 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:10,320 specialize in TCGs. And I'm also not surprised now that 216 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,720 PSA owns Beckett and SGC, that they take one of those, 217 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,279 maybe SGC, and make it exclusively for sports cards and 218 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:28,600 get out of TCG. 219 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess what's coming next is probably CGC 220 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:38,960 getting overwhelmed Tearson. 221 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: Next, don't forget TAG, which is very heavily helped by AI, 222 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,840 had to pause submissions too, And I'll wager CGC, if 223 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:56,240 they get inundated, they'll have to do something similar because 224 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,879 the man power and woman power is just not out 225 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,160 there to grade all these cards. Even if it's the 226 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,359 easiest thing in the world where you open the packs 227 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,599 and you send them in, there's still a huge process. 228 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:15,640 I mean, we you know, we forget, but the process 229 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:21,400 is I wonder how many hands have to touch a 230 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:26,599 card between the time it's opened at PSA, actually received 231 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,480 at PSA, and the time it's sent back to you. 232 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,559 I'll wager you're in the mid double digits, like fifteen 233 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,440 to twenty different people are handling some part of the 234 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,240 process at PSA. I do not know this, but I 235 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,440 know when I bring my car in for servicing at 236 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,599 my dealership, it's thirteen to fifteen people who handle something 237 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,319 about my car. When I bring it in. I also 238 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,200 know a local mechanic, and if I bring it to 239 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,400 the local mechanic, they're two people, you know, So you 240 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:04,279 know there is that. But there are processes, and there 241 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,440 are processes, and there are processes. It's not just like 242 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,039 the boxes, the boxes opened, the boxes received. Person brings 243 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:16,200 it to the office, they open it, somebody opens it, 244 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:19,759 the grader opens it, okay, grades the card, gives them 245 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,680 to the verifier. There's a lot more processes than that. 246 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:28,440 Along the way was payment submitted? Was how many does 247 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,079 the amount of cards match what's in the submission? If 248 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,640 sometimes you can catch there might be a mistake in 249 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,440 the submission. Yeah, and that's just one part of it. 250 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,960 Then it goes to where it's ready in the queue 251 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,279 to be graded, and then after it's graded, it has 252 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,200 to be what they call assembled, and then it has 253 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:52,680 to be shipped out. There's a lot of processes involved 254 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,559 and we sometimes forget that. 255 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,039 Speaker 1: Uh, consensus all over the chat is, you know, the 256 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:09,960 collectors don't care because I don't think you know, out 257 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:16,119 of that two million, what how much percentages? Even collectors, 258 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:19,799 I think, you know, the vast majority of anybody sending 259 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:23,119 these days is going to be somebody sending to resell. 260 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,599 But and Chris C. I think you can substitute the 261 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,079 word monopoly in this statement with company unless it's your 262 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:41,319 local mom and pop, you know business. So because companies 263 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:50,160 are in the business to take your money. So yeah, 264 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,000 it's kind of buy stuck in mag Pro as a comment, 265 00:19:54,839 --> 00:20:00,359 everybody's talking about joining their raw cards. So yeah, what 266 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,119 is the minimum s PSA tier now? 267 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,559 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's expressed during during the shutdown. 268 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,279 I believe it's the eighty five dollars express ouch. 269 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's only somebody sending in a really high 270 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,559 dollar card that wants to resell it. 271 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: Okay, sixty okay? What okay? Whether it's sixty nine, eighty six, five, whatever, 272 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,839 I don't know if we have the numbers. Here's the thing. 273 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,920 Other thing to remember, the national is X number of 274 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:33,960 days away. I think we're sixty days away, give or take. 275 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:38,519 The other thing to remember, we all thought there would 276 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:42,079 be nobody on the PSA lines when they had a 277 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,319 shutdown during the national you know, and the only thing 278 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,799 you could do was like one hundred and fifty dollars submissions. 279 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,119 Those lines were out the door. Guess what those lines 280 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,279 will be out the door again. And I mean, we've 281 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,200 seen this movie before. This is not a new who 282 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,160 this is not a new issue. And I saw a 283 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,279 comment about how many people handle the car. It's not 284 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,400 necessarily when I go to the dealership, how many people 285 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,079 handle the paperwork. But you get greeted by a person 286 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:18,599 when you come in. There's another person that drives the 287 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,160 car the short distance to where the mechanic works on 288 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,559 the car. The mechanic works on the car, then another 289 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,440 person drives it, you know, and they wash your car 290 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:31,079 at the end. I know this sounds strange. And then 291 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,920 the person working with you comes and tells you during 292 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,759 the processes what you need to get done. And there's 293 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:42,960 also when you check out how much you know And 294 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,079 I'm missing a couple steps, but this is what they 295 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:47,319 told me at the dealership that there was about thirteen 296 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,880 to fifteen people who handle some point of your servicing 297 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:55,720 at the car. Because it's not just drop off the 298 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:58,480 car and somebody brings it in or you bring it 299 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:03,160 into where it works on. It's a whole thing. There's 300 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,240 you know. So that's what I'm talking about with that, 301 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:12,759 And yes, it is interesting, and you know, you might 302 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:19,799 say okay, is there a way to be more efficient 303 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,279 with what you deal with? I guarantee you every company 304 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,720 works on being more efficient because for Nat Turner and 305 00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:32,319 his group of people who are in the ownership of PSA, 306 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:35,759 the more efficient you are, the more profit you make. 307 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:39,000 So trust me, it makes sense for PSA to be efficient. 308 00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: We got a question for you. If that many hands 309 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,720 are touching, it is an efficiency problem. 310 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: My car usually gets serviced on time. It's just they 311 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:04,839 have their system down path. You know, we're used to 312 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,200 you know, many of us just go to cards. Chris 313 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,039 talks about going to a card show today or tomorrow. 314 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,920 I don't know if it's both days or just today. 315 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160 It's the whole weekend, all weekend, so it was all 316 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,319 week and Chris is talking about going to a card show. 317 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,039 That's the very efficient. You walk in. I don't know 318 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,119 if it's at a mall where it's free or weather. 319 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,160 Sometimes Rehobeth used to have mall shows that were free. 320 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:29,680 I don't know if this is at a mall that's free. 321 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: Or whether it No, it's in town at a convention center. 322 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: So okay, so you're gonna have to pay to get in. 323 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,880 So there's a little more friction, but not terrible. So 324 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,440 you basically have about three or four people you have 325 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:46,960 to deal with just to deal with the show, and 326 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,200 if they have concessions, maybe five, so you have your 327 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,000 hot dogs, chips, soda or whatever they have for lunch there. 328 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,680 I mean, I can tell you because of the nature 329 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,839 of how our Synagogua show is set up, we can 330 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,200 do the show with about three people during the show, 331 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,319 but I like to have three people there. I'm sitting 332 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,119 at the front desk. We have a little mini kitchen 333 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,279 because being a synagogue there are some dietary things, and 334 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200 I like to have one floater around in case something 335 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,319 comes up on the floor during the show and then 336 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,799 we need a few people to set up and break down. 337 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:32,960 There's always more than you realize that's involved, and it's 338 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:39,319 a hard concept to realize it's more involved than you realize. 339 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: All Right, any other thoughts on this or are we 340 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,759 ready to move on? 341 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,039 Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next one. 342 00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can have some more fun topics. 343 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,759 I think everybody has their own opinion. And you know 344 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,200 the fact that I do not own a graded card 345 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,720 does not mean that I don't respect the work that 346 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:12,039 all the graded companies do, and eventually this may break, 347 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880 the fever may break, but it's certainly not showing any 348 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,200 signs of breaking for now. 349 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, This next item is that the twenty 350 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,279 six Tops they put a redemption card for a fifty 351 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,279 two mantle that is supposed to be graded, and that 352 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,880 redemption card is currently in auction for golden, which I 353 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:51,200 can share where that's at right now. But so they're 354 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,440 literally just putting up the redemption card that doesn't have 355 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,200 any indication of what the grade of the mantle is. 356 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,440 And I don't see that there's gonna be any markings 357 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,920 on it after it's redeemed that indicates it's this special 358 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:14,559 one of one. So I mean, what value does this have? 359 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,799 Are they just gambling that it's going to be a 360 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,839 higher grade than A one? I don't get it. 361 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,839 Speaker 2: How do we know that Tops even has in hand 362 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,680 of fifty two tops Mickey mantle that's graded that they're 363 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,160 gonna give away. Have they even bought this card yet? Chris? 364 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, they they have purchased everyone and 365 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,519 it's there's gonna be some serious doing some of the update. 366 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:47,480 If I remember, they have purchased every every card they're 367 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,160 not going to leave it to chance. 368 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so they've bought the card, what do we know? 369 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,319 What do we know about the grade of the card though, 370 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:05,799 because right now the bid is seventy nine thousand dollars 371 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,680 with a month to go. You know what, I know? 372 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,799 The difference between a tour or of three and a 373 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,960 seven and a eight is probably I don't know, maybe 374 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:28,880 a million dollars. If this redemption card closes at close 375 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,400 to a million dollars and the card that Tops delivers 376 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:40,480 is a three, well, the person who bought this redemption 377 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,079 cards probably out close to a million dollars in value. 378 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,720 So what's going on here with the grade? Why don't 379 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,440 we know that what the grade is? 380 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:56,039 Speaker 3: Chris? 381 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: That that kind of leads me to believe that Tops 382 00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:02,359 doesn't have this card and to give away. 383 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: I will wager they do have the card. 384 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay, they haven't revealed the grade though. 385 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't see how anybody bids in an 386 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,039 auction when you dolln't have all the information of what 387 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:17,920 you're getting. 388 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: Exactly. 389 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: But I will tell you if you have a million, Chris, 390 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,839 if you have a million dollars to bid in an auction, 391 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,880 the odds are pretty good that you have more money 392 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,079 than the three of us combined, and a million dollars 393 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,359 to you could be like one hundred dollars to us, 394 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,319 where it's just the number. 395 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. What if it's a BBG one. 396 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, all it says is graded, not created by whom, 397 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,559 although I do think Tops did say that these are 398 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,000 going to be PSA graded. But again, but even still, 399 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,400 you know what you're getting. It'd be a two or three. 400 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,359 It could be a seven or an eight. I don't 401 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,559 expect them to give away a nine or it's end. 402 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:08,119 By the way. 403 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:13,359 Speaker 3: A few months ago, Josh Luber wrote his second manifesto. 404 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,480 This manifesto was about what he called, if I remember 405 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,880 the term blind boxification of the hobby, and basically the 406 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,400 whole point was something exactly like this. This is part 407 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:34,720 of the blind boxification, and that's part of what the 408 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:40,880 hobby is. And we don't like it because we're all 409 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,559 thinking logically. But anybody who's betting on this card is thinking, Okay, 410 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,119 I'm going to get a special card. It's gonna have notation. 411 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,160 This is the one pulled from the pack, and if 412 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,599 it's a really high level card, I win. And if 413 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:56,559 it's a low level card. I have a great story 414 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,559 to tell, and as I said, I guarantee you anybody 415 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,200 who's been on this can't afford what they're doing. 416 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,119 Speaker 2: There was a question in the chat I have to 417 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:21,720 respond to this. Uh, it was by eight step one productions. 418 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,359 Why does it matter if they bought the grade? Why 419 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:29,079 can't someone buy the redemption for the excitement of the redemption? 420 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,839 Why does it have to be an analysis? Well, here's 421 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,920 the thing. If you're spending this much money on a card, 422 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,920 you should at least know what card you're getting, do 423 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,319 you not. I mean, yes, it does say you're getting 424 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:53,400 a graded fifty two mantle, but again you don't know 425 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:58,200 what grade it is. I mean, if you just want 426 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,799 a fifty two mantle, yeah, you can get a raw 427 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,839 one in pretty piss poor condition for like what ten 428 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000 or fifteen thousand dollars. 429 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, like this, you. 430 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: Would you would hope to know what it is that 431 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,039 you're paying seventy nine thousand dollars plus four. I mean, 432 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,680 if all Tops is going to deliver you is a 433 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:34,400 two or three, I mean, you've been been made a 434 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,559 sucker out of You've been hosed. So yeah, that that's 435 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,799 kind of what why it does matter? What great it is. 436 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:52,119 Speaker 3: Well, one other point about analysis is that everybody, everybody 437 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,119 has an opinion about things in the hobby, and some 438 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,519 people look at things analytically. It's not an issue to 439 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,640 look at something analytically. Now, when we go to a 440 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480 show and we purchase cards, and I'm a value box 441 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,359 dump diver, and I think Chris is too. Chris has 442 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,519 a wantless I don't have a want list, but both 443 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,000 of us are looking. We're not going to We're not 444 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,240 going to buy an eighty eight tops Common card in 445 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,839 the dollar bins, but we might buy an eighty eight 446 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,160 Tiffany Tom glavincard out of the dollar binner. You know, 447 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,359 eighty eight Tiffany Roberto Alomar traded Roberto Alamar because we 448 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,519 know there's a value to that. So there is analysis. 449 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,920 There's even analysis when you purchase a card, so everybody 450 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960 has some analysis thereof. 451 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Well, we still have twenty nine days away, and he 452 00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:01,039 guesses of what the final price it's going to be 453 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:01,319 on this. 454 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 3: I gave up in nineteen ninety one making predictions on 455 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:12,319 card values when I told New York Magazine that the 456 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:18,119 Wagner that was being auctioned as part of the the 457 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:24,079 PSA Wagner that McNall and Gretzky booked What's Going to 458 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:25,839 Go for about two hundred thousand, and when I went 459 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,759 for four hundred and fifty thousand, I said, you know, 460 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,640 my prediction days are done. I do not understand what's 461 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,200 going on. So I have I have made sure I 462 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,480 have not made predictions on card value since nineteen ninety one. 463 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, every prediction six hundred and forty five thousand, so bargain. 464 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,039 Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty good over under. I think 465 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:54,039 this will sell for mid six figures. Again, if TOPS 466 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,279 actually gets around, you're revealing what the grad is on 467 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:04,400 this card. I think that'll play play a role in 468 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,440 its final price. So anybody from TOPS is listening, and 469 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,079 I know you are. What is the grade on this card? 470 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,280 That is, if you have it? 471 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,199 Speaker 1: Because I caution anybody bidding on this because of the 472 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,800 fact that I feel like if it was a halfway 473 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:28,480 decent level grade on this they would have included that 474 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:34,280 in their marketing. They would have marketed the hell out 475 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,920 of it being a mid grade or higher card for 476 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:39,519 this card. 477 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, have any of the other redemption cards been pulled 478 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,360 and mentioned upgrade on it. Are you aware either one 479 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,599 of you aware of because this is the first time 480 00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,400 I know there were maybe redemption cards for like two 481 00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:05,480 dozen other prominent tops cards off of that best seventy 482 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,199 five lists that they came up with. 483 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 3: I think I've seen one or two that have surfaced, 484 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,519 but I'm not positive. 485 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,519 Speaker 2: Okay, So I listen. 486 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,559 Speaker 3: I don't pay attention enough in that world, and I 487 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,840 and I'm not on Twitter ever since some of the 488 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,320 changes have been made. I am very little on Twitter nowadays, 489 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,960 and I you know, like, for example, I can't post 490 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,840 any Internet links and I don't want to go through 491 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,960 the world of doing webcasts or doing you know, you know, 492 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,280 links from something. So I just I just skipped being 493 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,920 on Twitter. So I miss a lot of the Twitter stuff. 494 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:53,519 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah. 495 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: The here a fan in the stands is bringing up 496 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,159 the exact point I was thinking, is that the redemption 497 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960 card itself might be a one on one. But if 498 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,519 they haven't done anything special with the slab, how does 499 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,239 that even maintain any kind of provenance? 500 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,119 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean they're just telling you you're getting 501 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,639 a graded card. You don't know what great it is, 502 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,360 and there's nothing notating it on it. 503 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: So but. 504 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: All right, I think we've beaten this to death. 505 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: So what's interesting if you think about it? With all 506 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,119 the people breaking in all that, so few of these 507 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:48,400 cards have surfaced, and that tells me that they're in. 508 00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:52,280 They're still in sitting in packs. And remember, if I 509 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,000 remember correctly, TOPS has a ten year redemption now, so 510 00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,960 you might be seeing these cards pop up three, four, 511 00:36:59,119 --> 00:36:59,960 five years from now. 512 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe. 513 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:09,039 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, as many packs as are being produced 514 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,320 of the base product these days, they could be unopened 515 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:21,679 for a really long time. So but all right, not 516 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,159 on the rundown there. But since it's coming up and 517 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:31,280 Chris is big on soccer, we thought we'd inject some 518 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,199 World Cup into the mix. I guess the few weeks 519 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,840 of every three years where Americans actually realized they're excited 520 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,400 the world play soccer. 521 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,599 Speaker 2: Excited about them paying four figures for a ticket to 522 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:56,519 see Cabo Verde versus the Ivory Coast on a Wednesday afternoon. 523 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:02,519 Nobody's excited about that. Nobody's excited about paying ninety eight 524 00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:08,360 dollars for a train ride to the Meadowlands. This is 525 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,440 this World Cup is turning into a total you know 526 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,880 what show with the price gouging going on, and I 527 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,639 understand why FIFA is doing it because US Americans were 528 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,760 kind of used to paying top dollar for sporting events, 529 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,960 but this is this is just kind of ridiculous with 530 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:38,960 some of these these prices. I mean, I'd love to 531 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,400 go to a couple of World Cup matches. There's about 532 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,519 six group stage matches taking place in Philadelphia and a 533 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:53,920 Round of sixteen match, but I can't afford to go 534 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,760 to that. I can't afford to pay close to one 535 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719 thousand dollars for an upper deck seat. 536 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:01,599 Speaker 1: I mean. 537 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 2: I can't, and especially this year, the way this kind 538 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,960 of I don't want to get too political here, but 539 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,039 this kind of malaise that's kind of grown over the 540 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,280 country this year. I mean, we're about to celebrate our 541 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,360 two hundred and fiftieth birthday and nobody seems to be 542 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,400 happy about that either. So as for the actual tournament, 543 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,079 I really think, I really hope that this is the 544 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:48,440 summer that Americans, Civilians, people that don't ordinarily follow soccer 545 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,880 finally get soccer. I hope this is the year that 546 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,880 the US does well. They should be able to get 547 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,320 out of the knockout round. I mean, get to the 548 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:07,920 knockout rounds, they were drawn in a pretty easy group 549 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:15,119 with Paraguay and Australia. And because the knockout round has 550 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,760 been the tournament's been expanded from thirty two to forty 551 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,639 eight teams. The knockout round has been expanded from sixteen 552 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:30,079 teams to thirty two. So the US, if they get 553 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,840 out of the group stage, they should face a pretty 554 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,840 weak team in that first knockout game. It should be 555 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,400 the second knockout game in the round of sixteen is 556 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:50,039 when the real tournaments are going to begin, So they 557 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,000 may have to face a country in that round of 558 00:40:53,079 --> 00:41:00,400 sixteen against one of the traditional European powers, like like 559 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,599 Belgium in twenty fourteen or the Netherlands four years ago, 560 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:11,840 of that caliber. And I think this team, I think 561 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,440 this team, with a home field advantage, they would be 562 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:20,480 able to give one of a team of that caliber 563 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,639 a good run in a potential round of sixteen games. 564 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,880 So getting to the round of sixteen for the US 565 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,360 I think should be the minimum for a successful tournament. 566 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,320 So I don't know if you guys follow soccer, John, 567 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,079 I know you're in Portland. I've been to Portland. Soccer's 568 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,400 a big the Timbers are big. You got a nice 569 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,559 old fashioned soccer ground and municipal or whatever they're whatever 570 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,079 sponsor they're calling it now. 571 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, they took the stadium and turned it into all soccer. 572 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:07,960 It's there downtown, so we used to have the ability 573 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,599 to watch Triple A baseball a decade ago, but they 574 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 converted the stadium to be only soccer. 575 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,599 Speaker 2: Did a real good job of it, so if I 576 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:20,639 say so myself. 577 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,559 Speaker 1: But I must say the only time I ever went 578 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960 to see them play was when I first moved here 579 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,400 and didn't realize what the team names were between the 580 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,639 baseball team and the soccer team, and inadvertently bought tickets 581 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:43,119 to the soccer game. So I intended to go to 582 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:44,360 a Triple A baseball game. 583 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:51,679 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, we are lucky here in the Dallas area. 584 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,480 We do have a very nice facility, and they've added 585 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:04,400 a whole bunch of soccer related fields right there. I 586 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,320 don't know the name of this deadium. I'm sure it's 587 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,199 some corporate name, but where FC Dallas plays up in 588 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:19,239 Frisco and my wife's cousin's son was playing in a 589 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:23,519 I believe sixteen and under elite team tournament a few 590 00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:27,360 weeks ago they did six I have not I forgot 591 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,559 to ask my wife to ask her cousin whether they 592 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,239 how they did in Salt Lake City Memorial Day weekend. 593 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:41,119 But they did win their division and they moved to 594 00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:44,800 the finals, so to speak, the final rounds. But I 595 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,159 will tell you that one thing that really interested me 596 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,679 was a the kid had a motor he could move 597 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,440 up to twenty one miles per hour, which is only 598 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,639 a couple miles an hour less than the pure sprint speed. 599 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,639 The other thing was the sheer volume of people who 600 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,840 were going to these matches as recruiters. As we were 601 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,599 coming in, we saw people wearing and I think it's Clemson. 602 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:18,400 I'm not positive Clemson soccer shirts, and we asked them, 603 00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:20,559 you know, I think if I remember, you guys have 604 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,440 a pretty good program, and it goes, yeah, we've won 605 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,679 two national titles in the last five years. And then 606 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,719 I overheard a conversation where they were trying to recruit 607 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,800 somebody to go to wherever juniors and seniors in high 608 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,360 school can go. And the person that already said no, 609 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,639 we've already signed up with this, and they said, well, 610 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,280 we're part of whatever European league it is, and you know, 611 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,559 keep us in mind. I mean, the sheer amount of 612 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,239 people who know about soccer was just flooring to me. 613 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,039 You know, how big it was and how many non 614 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,039 family people came to watch these really good kids play. 615 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,960 But that's sort of an aside, because you know, FC 616 00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:06,880 Dallas is a very affordable game to go to. It's 617 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,920 a very affordable match. It's not you know, and we're 618 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,880 also in Frisco. We have the Frisco Rough Riders minor 619 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,800 league baseball team. Again, it's a reasonably affordable night at 620 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,840 the ballpark, and that's what Chris is talking about. I'm 621 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,360 not going to go to Jerry World to watch a 622 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,719 game because it's just going to be out of control. 623 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,039 And like Chris, I do not feel like spending four 624 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,000 figures to watch to watch a soccer match. It's not 625 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:46,280 something on my bucket list, so to speak. Now, if 626 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,320 somebody hands me to tickets, we'll go. Failing that, not 627 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:50,920 so much. 628 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of folks coming into Dallas 629 00:45:56,639 --> 00:46:00,280 Fort Worth area for the World Cup all going to 630 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,320 be in for a bit of a bit of a 631 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,199 culture shock because I believe Arlington, Texas is the largest 632 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,840 city in America without a public transportation system. 633 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 3: While getting that's going to be that's not really true anymore. 634 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,159 It was a big thing a few years ago, but 635 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,519 it's nowhere near where it should be. But there is 636 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,480 a there are some small selected bus routes now in Arlington. 637 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,760 Speaker 2: Oh Okay, so they do. They don't have a direct rail. 638 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 3: No, they don't have a direct they don't have a 639 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:41,199 direct rail, but they do have some public transportation now. 640 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,360 And one of the reasons that they never got it 641 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,760 is Jerry and all the people. You know, they don't 642 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,519 want to build the trains because it takes money away 643 00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:54,400 from the parking making all that parking money at the stadium. 644 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,920 So let's be honest. You know, I would be thrilled 645 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,159 with a train ride to Globelife Field or at and 646 00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:06,880 T Stadium. You know, those would be wonderful. You know, 647 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,920 I grew up in the New York area. I could 648 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,400 take the train to yank the subway to Yankee Stadium 649 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,559 or Shea Stadium now now City Field, I believe it 650 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,920 is in New York. I can't do that going to 651 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,719 the World Cup. 652 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,079 Speaker 2: You could. 653 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 3: There used to be bus routes that took you if 654 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,360 you knew how to do it. Actually you could get 655 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,000 it would be a small walk and you could walk 656 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:34,000 to where they're playing the World Cup. I did that 657 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,519 a couple of times when the New York Cosmos were 658 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:40,159 playing soccer. I actually knew how to take the bus 659 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,000 into the city, then take a bus two basically giant 660 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,159 stadium at the time where the Cosmos played, and then 661 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,880 we could take the bus back. So you could do that, 662 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,800 but you had to know which bus route it was 663 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,840 that dropped you off within walking distance. 664 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to to uh take 665 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:07,039 the bus to to uh MetLife Stadium or or excuse me, 666 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:12,000 the New York Stadium can't call them by their sponsors uh. 667 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,400 And you can't even drive to the stadium because FIFA 668 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,519 is taking a lot of the parking spaces uh that 669 00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:25,039 are used during NFL season for tailgating and creating a 670 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,840 security buffer. So for a lot of these state these 671 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,599 uh these stadiums that they're having the World Cup at, 672 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,760 you won't be able to drive there and park even 673 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,559 if you wanted to. 674 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 3: So well, they will have shuttle surfaces, so so you 675 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,760 know you don't have to walk. 676 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,679 Speaker 2: They will and you're gonna have to pay up the 677 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,119 you know what for that. 678 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,159 Speaker 3: So yeah, I know. When I go to Rough Riders games, 679 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:56,559 we usually park at the at the at the uh 680 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,880 More we call it it's the mall. It's Stonebriar Mall. 681 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,760 There's a place you can park and you walk across 682 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,760 the street to the game. It's a little bit extra 683 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,039 to walk. When I say it's a little bit extra, 684 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:09,960 it's a little bit of a hype, but not terribly. 685 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,079 And you walk in, you don't pay, but the parking's 686 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,880 only ten dollars for the Rough Riders. So I don't 687 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,760 consider that so bad, folks. Chris is like that a 688 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,360 lot of the time, so it's not the wrong. 689 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 2: You must be that my normal surly behavior. The fact 690 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,960 that I've been rehabbing my arm for the last month 691 00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,440 and I've been unemployed for over a year. So yeah, 692 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:42,320 I have. 693 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: The card front. It's on the card front. Does that 694 00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:50,559 mean there'll be a momentary surge of soccer cards and 695 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,239 Jeff Wilson will be making a video talking about how 696 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,360 the soccer cards are on fire. 697 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:01,199 Speaker 3: I will say when the twenty two World Cup was played, 698 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,599 was was was done at Commsee because we were setting 699 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,079 up every show at the time of the Dallas Card Show. 700 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,039 The sheer volume of soccer cards we got before the 701 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,679 World Cup, you would not believe just how intense how 702 00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,159 many soccer cards we got. We got one soccer card 703 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,159 so expensive that Angel and Stefan flew out to flew 704 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:32,599 out to Washington to hand deliver the card. It was 705 00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,920 some Lionel Messi card. I believe number to autograph, number 706 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,719 to seven. I think I may have had a jersey, 707 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,079 but it was that card was so expensive. We just said, 708 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,519 you know, it was like, we're not taking any chance 709 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,760 of with that going in the mail. It's being flown out. 710 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,880 But that's how intense the soccer collectors were before the 711 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,519 World Cup. I'm sure the same thing is happening again, 712 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,679 you know. And one side note on this, if you noticed, 713 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,360 Fanatics has announced at beginning twenty thirty one, so Panini 714 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,760 will have one more run at it. They're basically taking 715 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,920 over everything relating to the World Cup when it comes 716 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,760 to cards and stickers. And you can say pros or cons, 717 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,280 but I think overall Fanatics has done a even better 718 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,079 job than Panini did. And Panini did a good job 719 00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:31,159 with this of increasing interest in the hobby with all 720 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:34,199 the connections they have and all the tentacles they have, 721 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:39,719 so I suspect the twenty you know, the twenty thirty 722 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,440 four World Cup, you will see more cards than ever before. 723 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,599 And one thing to remember is Fanatics Fest in New York, 724 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,000 which is also the same weekend as the West Coast 725 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:53,480 Card Show in the Dallas Card Show. 726 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 2: So it's you. 727 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:56,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you really want to have fun, 728 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,360 if you really have money, you can crisscross the country 729 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,239 and hit three. We see several thousand tables of cards 730 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,679 in a weekend before the national and see all sorts 731 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:12,519 of the country. Why you're at it is they scheduled 732 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:18,480 Fanatics Festival for the final weekend, which is at whatever 733 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:25,199 giant stadium is called down and it's the liberally scheduled 734 00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,119 because that was World Cup Finals weekend. 735 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing with soccer cards too is that 736 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:43,320 I don't think people understand is that up until twenty fourteen, 737 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,000 I mean that was the year Panini came out with 738 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:53,400 World Cup Prism, most of the soccer releases were either 739 00:52:53,639 --> 00:53:00,840 stickers or TCGs like Pannini Adrenaline or tops Men Match Attacks. 740 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:08,679 American style sports cards were not really a thing in 741 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:15,800 soccer until recently so and by American cars style cards. 742 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 3: They were a thing, but they weren't a thing in America. 743 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 2: No, they weren't a thing at all. 744 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,679 Speaker 3: Well, England has a A and BC, which is like 745 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,079 a top subsidiary did soccer cards for. 746 00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:34,199 Speaker 2: Talking about card sets with like fifty different levels of parallels. 747 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,760 Speaker 3: Oh okay, cars pointing out there was plenty of cards 748 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,199 being inserts. 749 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they they've had. They've had tobacco cards and gum 750 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:54,079 cards for years. But in recent years, most most soccer 751 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,199 releases in Europe and Latin America were either stickers or 752 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,519 TCG until really recently. 753 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: So all right, uh, we're getting close to the bond 754 00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:18,760 the hour. But instead of this baseball talk, actually, uh a, 755 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,840 I think a bigger hobby thing is tonight with the 756 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,679 Game seven of the Western Conference Finals. If Wemby Yama 757 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:38,920 actually eliminates you know, the Flop City Thunder and wins 758 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,880 his first title, I mean, his cards are just gonna 759 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,880 be nuts. 760 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,559 Speaker 3: They already are, they are ready are priced in. So 761 00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,360 but I will I will, I will say that Wemby 762 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,320 reminds me of watching a very young Luel Sindor before 763 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,679 he changed his name to kareem Up Duel Jabbar. He 764 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,119 is the number one draft choice. In nineteen sixty nine, 765 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,679 the Bucks get to the playoffs, but they're not yet 766 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,079 ready to beat the Knicks, and the Knicks wipe them 767 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,239 out and then go on to win the title against 768 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,719 the Lakers in Game seven with the famous game with 769 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,239 Willis Reid hobbling in hitting the first two shots of 770 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,599 the game, and basically Game seven, Walf Fraser plays a 771 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,199 typical Walf Fraser game that everybody else thinks is the 772 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,599 game of his life. He was a little better than 773 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,920 he usually was, but Walf Fraser is the greatest nick 774 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,599 of all time and showed why in that Game seven. 775 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,599 Speaker 1: But oh, apparently the wrong we on that comment. 776 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:56,119 Speaker 3: The next year the Bucks win the title. Wemby was 777 00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:59,440 second year for Luke for mis Draussindor, and then it 778 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,079 took to the Lakers and getting magic and getting there. 779 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,079 But my point is that Wemby reminds me of the 780 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:09,039 second year Luell Center taking the Bucks to the title. 781 00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,760 And I don't I can't say they're gonna win Game 782 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,400 seven on the road. There's no such You never know 783 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,599 what's gonna happen in Game seven. But they're there and 784 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,360 Wemby reminds me of elisond Or nineteen seventy one. And 785 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,280 by the way, there is a YouTube, Phoe, there's a 786 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,920 YouTube video. I'm sure of the game the Bucks play 787 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:39,360 the Lakers, and I believe January of seventy one, seventy two, 788 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,559 so I mean you can see a young, young enough 789 00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,119 Luel Cender where the Bucks and the Lakers thirty three 790 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,760 game winning streak. That was like a huge thing that 791 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,960 I think they ABC saved the game on video and 792 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:52,280 you can still see that today. 793 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm obviously too young for young Luel Sender there, 794 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:03,440 but to me, it's Off Sampson with a deeper range shot, so. 795 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,519 Speaker 3: That was an amazing shot. 796 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 2: The one thing that I can't wait to see, regardless 797 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,400 of who wins tonight, are all the celebrities that show 798 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,880 up at NICK games having to travel to San Antonio 799 00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:30,639 or Oklahoma City and adjusting to life in Middle America, 800 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:38,199 like Chalomet, Spike, Bat Joe, the whole gang in like 801 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,079 on the river Walk in San Antonio, just chilling for 802 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:47,920 an afternoon before a match. So it's funny, that's what 803 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:48,719 I want to see. 804 00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,719 Speaker 3: It's funny because the Atlantic had a story a couple 805 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,000 of weeks ago because a Yasiel Pueguet tops Now card 806 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:02,519 in like PSA ten so for like sixty dollars, and 807 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,639 the reason was there's Kobe in the background. Yeah, and 808 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,000 I mean, and they had other cards listed and I 809 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:12,239 and I checked the COMCA database. We had every We 810 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,039 had everyone they listed correctly noted in the COMCA database, 811 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,880 so I didn't have to add anything. But that's but 812 00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,960 you know it, the NBA has a lot, you know, 813 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,719 you do get a lot of background photos of cards. 814 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,800 Even the Melenda's brothers showed up on the back of them, 815 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,360 you know, on the background of a Mark Jackson card. 816 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 2: And people didn't realize it was then for like thirty 817 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,320 years and now it's a ten dollars card, but literally 818 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,280 a ten cent card. 819 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 3: So it, you know, it goes to show that we're 820 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:51,519 still learning stuff about the hobby, you know, even the 821 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:55,519 overproduced era. We're still learning stuff thirty thirty years later. 822 00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,559 And Mike, that's Mike. That's actually one of the more 823 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,000 interesting comments made to day. He was having a great 824 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,440 rookie year, hempce, you know, eight to twelve weeks during 825 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,360 the middle of your rookie year. When you fit twenty 826 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,159 homers already as a rookie is a devastating blow to 827 00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:17,400 the White Sox. I'll be back in a second. 828 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:25,559 Speaker 2: Well we're almost out on that, or got anything else 829 00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:26,440 you want to talk about? 830 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: Uh? I mean, I do find it interesting that it's 831 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,400 become a pervasive conversation with the flopping now, and I 832 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,559 hope the league can put a stop to it. Is 833 00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:47,280 all for the NBA's sake. But and a villain thunderof 834 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,320 you get a yellow curve, Yeah. 835 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 2: But you get a foul? 836 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 3: Okay, back, all right. 837 00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 1: All right, you're back in time to wrap things up. 838 00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:02,000 So any last word for the focks in ol? Uncle Rich? 839 01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 3: No, I I've I already said what I was doing today. 840 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,320 In fact, I'm going to head out for my walk, 841 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,519 grab a small lunch, go to trade day and later 842 01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:14,519 and just be out and about. 843 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,519 Speaker 1: All right, how about you, Chris? 844 01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,199 Speaker 2: And in just about a few minutes or so the 845 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,480 Champions League Final Arsenal and PSG, So my afternoon. 846 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:33,599 Speaker 3: You can call them by their full name. What PSG? 847 01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:38,599 Speaker 2: Paris? Okay, Paris in Jerman. The PSG is just a 848 01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,960 little people. 849 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: Know, all right? I have a fun weekend of getting 850 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,679 ready for house guests for the following weekend. With my 851 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,360 middle son graduating high. 852 01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,559 Speaker 3: School, congratulations on that. 853 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,159 Speaker 2: Where's he going to go to college? 854 01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: He is going to start out at junior college to 855 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,519 make sure he finds the right path for I will tell. 856 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,719 Speaker 3: You we have switching to a quick thing on that 857 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,039 I used to do set up at college fairs, and 858 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,800 we have a really good community college about five minutes 859 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,599 from where I live. And I used to tell people, 860 01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:19,119 if you don't know and you're not sure, the two 861 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,400 years at the community college will cost you about two 862 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,599 thousand dollars. Your son or daughter can live at home, 863 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,440 and then ninety nine percent of what they have can 864 01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:33,440 transfer to any other school. And you've saved money, you've 865 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,840 saved the college debt, and you and you're good and 866 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,599 you're on a good path. So I am a big 867 01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:44,400 fan of good community, good community or junior colleges. 868 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,719 Speaker 1: And Portland area has a great network of them where 869 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,280 it's they're all linked up with Portland Community College where 870 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,800 different campuses offer different specialty items. So it's kind of 871 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,039 cool how they've set it up. 872 01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,559 Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting thing is this college I'm talking about 873 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,199 has a top ten. They only at one point they 874 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,480 are only I think they've added a few more things. 875 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,400 At one point there only four year program was a 876 01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,719 nursing program, which was actually a top ten nursing program 877 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,679 in the country. 878 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Nice, all right, Thanks to everyone in the chat who participated. 879 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,599 We had quite the very sort of topics today. But 880 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:33,320 everybody out there. Tomorrow night I am hosting the Four 881 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:38,239 Collectors live stream, of which I've got a panel of 882 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:44,840 David Chase, Dylan Doubled the Vantage, and Christopher Missouri in 883 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,199 which with all this talk lately on collector channels of 884 01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:55,760 condition and deformities and flaws, I am inviting them to 885 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,800 bring on their cards that are have deformities and flaws. 886 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,480 Be a parade of those cards that we still love. 887 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 3: So one quick comment on Yankees cards. Texas is starting 888 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,760 to expand there for normal high schools their trade school 889 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,320 programs as well, which I think is well worthwhile. So 890 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,280 I think people are learning that the trade schools in 891 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,840 high school is really a great option for many kids. 892 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but everybody, thanks, We'll see you next time 893 01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:39,119 here on Four Collectors