Speaker 1: Welcome back into another XRP pod, and today is going
Speaker 1: to be fun because we're going to dive into something
Speaker 1: that I've had a lot of you ask about, and
Speaker 1: that is the Quant network. That's right, We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the Quant network. And I thought, okay, well I
Speaker 1: need an expert, and none other than, of course, mister
Speaker 1: Jesse coming in from APEX Crypto Insights. How are you, Jesse.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Paul. It's an honor to be on
Speaker 2: your show. How are you.
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. Hey, guys, I just to let
Speaker 1: you know, I always try to wear a jacket for
Speaker 1: you because I feel like that's just a respect, you know,
Speaker 1: to the audience for your time. But today I am
Speaker 1: actually on vacation spending some time with the kids, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a little bit less content. Jesse,
Speaker 1: of course, was so kind to come on and really
Speaker 1: break down what's going on in the Quant network. And
Speaker 1: this is something that has been not only have I
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff on x about this people
Speaker 1: asking about it, but also lots of comments around what
Speaker 1: is going on with basically a multi chain network, that's
Speaker 1: what it is, and this is something that is a
Speaker 1: little bit different than maybe what you guys think. Remember,
Speaker 1: this is not a blockchain and it's more of a
Speaker 1: an over defining what do they call it, the over ledger,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: But it's an operating system. It's exactly this one's going to.
Speaker 1: Be so and the background on Gilbert was what started
Speaker 1: getting me very intrigued in what they're doing. So if
Speaker 1: you guys haven't done some research on Gilbert, is it
Speaker 1: Verdean or Gilbert? Okay, So this is the guy who
Speaker 1: pretty much founded He's a UK based guy, but he's
Speaker 1: former government enterprise security, so he knows his stuff. And
Speaker 1: I started diving in a little bit more deeper some
Speaker 1: of his historical projects that he's been involved in very
Speaker 1: black box kind of stuff. So that usually means sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm worried about that though, Jesse, I always think psyop
Speaker 1: whenever I see those kinds of markers, but it also
Speaker 1: could be something that is very deep dive. In my
Speaker 1: early era, I worked with guys from DARPA when I
Speaker 1: was at Microsoft. Oh nice, these guys were next level
Speaker 1: brain acts. You know, we had a bunch of geniuses
Speaker 1: in our own group. These guys were next level, I
Speaker 1: mean like the Einstein levels over at DARPA, who essentially
Speaker 1: really created the Internet. Guys, let's just be just remember
Speaker 1: that that's that's where it did come from. So Jesse,
Speaker 1: I want to get into a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: Let's first go into so there's going to be some
Speaker 1: people out there that don't know anything about QUANT network.
Speaker 1: So first thing is, let's explain what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, it's actually what the what they did. It's
Speaker 2: not yeah exactly, yeah, no, So quant Gilbert Verdian is
Speaker 2: one of the top cybersecurity experts in the world. And
Speaker 2: and if you want me to go down a deep
Speaker 2: rabbit hole rant on on Gilbert Verty and oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: but he understood that in order to he understood that
Speaker 2: we would not get blockchain adoption if we could not
Speaker 2: connect the legacy systems that exist today, which is where
Speaker 2: really all the use cases and the demand is. Because
Speaker 2: he knew that we needed to create an operating system
Speaker 2: to connect the legacy systems to blockchain. You couldn't do
Speaker 2: a layer one, layer two, Layer three doesn't work because
Speaker 2: right now the interoperability that we've seen is mostly at
Speaker 2: the DeFi level. But what people in crypto are not
Speaker 2: are not getting and it's just because they haven't listened
Speaker 2: to Gilbert. It's I wouldn't I wouldn't have understood this
Speaker 2: if I had not listened to Gilbert Verdi and explain it.
Speaker 2: But like all like the central banks, commercial banks, these
Speaker 2: big FinTechs, corporations, every industry that they're running, all these
Speaker 2: industries are are stuck in legacy these systems, which means
Speaker 2: they cannot speak to blockchain. Like all their software, their databases,
Speaker 2: everything that every industry is running on literally cannot talk
Speaker 2: the blockchain. It's not compatible. And so you have to
Speaker 2: bridge that old world with the new world. And the
Speaker 2: only way you can do that is you have to
Speaker 2: create an operating system. And he understood this because he
Speaker 2: knew that he had to do technically what Microsoft did
Speaker 2: for the Third Industrial Revolution. Yea, he had to create
Speaker 2: an operating system, and that's what he did. So Microsoft
Speaker 2: Windows is a sorry quint Overlager is an operating system
Speaker 2: that literally allows all of the legacy systems that exist
Speaker 2: today to connect the blockchain, and not only connect the
Speaker 2: blockchain seamlessly in a fully scalable way, secure, a future proof,
Speaker 2: secure everything, it also allows all of these companies and
Speaker 2: corporations and central banks to pick multiple blockchains, so pick
Speaker 2: the best features of each blockchain and build what is
Speaker 2: called an m DAP, a multichain application. They call him
Speaker 2: maps now, so that's what he did. So now not
Speaker 2: only are these legacy systems able to connect to blockchain seamlessly,
Speaker 2: they're also able to pick the best features so and
Speaker 2: build what are called m DAP. So like having trying
Speaker 2: to get blockchain adoption without quant is almost like having
Speaker 2: the Internet, but being stuck with one website, right, you
Speaker 2: just can't get the full benefits. It just wouldn't work.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the idea.
Speaker 1: The fact that, you know, what draws me into this
Speaker 1: is the idea that it is truly a blockchain API gateway.
Speaker 1: So this sets above other chains. What they call many
Speaker 1: people will call to is layer two point five. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of unique because being blockchain agnostic, which means
Speaker 1: this is non invasive interoperability, which is unlike a lot
Speaker 1: of cross chain bridges that we have right now, that's
Speaker 1: the other thing that is kind of unique. Overledger doesn't
Speaker 1: really require ununderlying blockchain to change their code or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It just sets on top right.
Speaker 2: Is that's why it's called the overledger. Sometimes they call
Speaker 2: it an overlay because it just overlays all the different blockchains, right,
Speaker 2: and so you can pick the best like any blockchain.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy with confusion is that anybody can bring
Speaker 2: their own connector bring their own node and connect any blockching,
Speaker 2: like you can connect anything, and we participate.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason this got my interest was because we
Speaker 1: were working with a company because we do consulting with
Speaker 1: some pretty major businesses out there, and they had an
Speaker 1: exploit in a bridge. So obviously they got their white
Speaker 1: hat and black hats together. They're trying to do some
Speaker 1: forensic analysis on the hack. There was some assets that
Speaker 1: were lost. But this idea of bridge free security pretty
Speaker 1: much kind of won me over immediately because I saw, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a problem that's going to continue to happen
Speaker 1: as actually if we go to scale. So the fact
Speaker 1: that quant kind of deals with this up front is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. My question is how do they do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I didn't. I didn't prepare for that one. Really,
Speaker 2: it's it's way technical. It took them years to build this.
Speaker 2: They're they're removing them. Yeah, like God, knows how they
Speaker 2: do it, but they completely remove the need for bridges.
Speaker 2: Bridges are just not safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember guys, this this is a it's basically a
Speaker 1: token wrapper, is what a lot of these smart contract
Speaker 1: bridges are doing.
Speaker 2: So so you have to you have to rely on
Speaker 2: it on a third party or like a centralized party.
Speaker 2: When you're using a bridge with quant, you don't. It
Speaker 2: removes all of that. It's hyper decentralized. You're not relying
Speaker 2: on bridges at all. It's it's level so Jesse.
Speaker 1: When when you look at Quant and everybody, the first
Speaker 1: thing I think a lot of people will look to
Speaker 1: and say, oh, wait a minute. These guys are tied
Speaker 1: in with central bank digital currencies. They're in the trad
Speaker 1: five group, They're highly compliant, they've got some patent protections.
Speaker 1: This looks like legacy. This looks like legacy finance. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like next gen finance. How would you argue
Speaker 1: against that?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So Gilbert Verdion literally created the the
Speaker 2: ISOTC three zero seven in twenty fifteen. He created the
Speaker 2: interoperability standard for blockching in twenty fifteen. You're talking eleven
Speaker 2: years ago, before the industry even knew that we needed
Speaker 2: interoperability for blockching to get the full adoption. And he
Speaker 2: also understood that in order to get the interoperability, not
Speaker 2: only did you have to set the standard, not only
Speaker 2: did you need interoperability, but you also needed to set
Speaker 2: the standard at an ISO level. You understand that too,
Speaker 2: And he did this in twenty fifteen. And this is
Speaker 2: interoperability standard for blockching. This is not you know, this
Speaker 2: is not legacy stuff, right, And then they went on
Speaker 2: to create the technology quant Overlager that meant that meets
Speaker 2: standards then and did every single angle. And they've been
Speaker 2: building now quant Overledger in certain steps because this is
Speaker 2: providing the true interoperability solution for commercial banks, central banks,
Speaker 2: and the major corporations in the world. So this has
Speaker 2: to be secure. This is why it took them so
Speaker 2: many years, and they had to do they had to
Speaker 2: do it in certain steps. They created the firewalls, then
Speaker 2: quant Fusion two point five and the roll ups and
Speaker 2: so on. So this is why they've been following a
Speaker 2: certain sequence. But and that I'm just scraping a surface there.
Speaker 2: They also created the Secure Asset Transfer Protocol, which is
Speaker 2: literally the re architecturing of the Internet with the IITF,
Speaker 2: the Internet Engineering Task Force and MIT. They are responsible
Speaker 2: for the last thirty years of the Internet we have today.
Speaker 2: Gilbert Greening approached them like three years ago and said,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to create a new protocol for
Speaker 2: moving value over the Internet, because he understood this twenty
Speaker 2: years ago. This is where his industry comes from. He's
Speaker 2: one of the top subersecurity experts in the world. He
Speaker 2: was literally hit up cybersecurity for the UK Treasury, literally
Speaker 2: protecting the He was a buyer for RTG assystems for governments.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is unreal. But he approached sorry
Speaker 2: MT the IF said we need to create a new
Speaker 2: protocol for the Internet because it was never meant to
Speaker 2: move value and they said, yeah, of course, because he's
Speaker 2: the goat. And literally they started working on this three
Speaker 2: years ago. And quant it's literally I think it's Martin
Speaker 2: Hargreaves that wrote the paper for the open It used
Speaker 2: to be called Open Digital Asset Protocol. Now they called
Speaker 2: it Secure Asset Transfer Protocol. And it's literally Quants team
Speaker 2: that literally wrote the first draft for this protocol. And
Speaker 2: I just want to explain to you a bit, Paul
Speaker 2: about this about the IF a bit just for people
Speaker 2: to understand the significance the Internet Engineering Task Force and MIT,
Speaker 2: like I was saying, they're responsible for the Internet we
Speaker 2: have today, like all the standards and the SMTP protocol
Speaker 2: and the development and standardization of the Internet. They're the
Speaker 2: ones who head that out. And when you look at
Speaker 2: the IF, who's part of the IF, it's all like
Speaker 2: the head technologies for IBM, Microsoft, a Censure, like all
Speaker 2: the most powerful corporations and tech companies in the world
Speaker 2: are all part of the ITF. Well, their head guys
Speaker 2: are for technology to put their input on the development
Speaker 2: advancement of the Internet, because I mean, this is the Internet,
Speaker 2: this has to be done right. Well. Quant literally Quant
Speaker 2: is literally sharing the SATP. So literally Quant is above
Speaker 2: all these people. And I forgot to mention the CIA,
Speaker 2: the NSA, I mean, they're all part of the IITF
Speaker 2: and Quan is literally the ones writing the draft for
Speaker 2: the IF Secure Asset Transfer Protocol. And Claire she's another
Speaker 2: employee of Quant. I think she's the manager of product Development.
Speaker 2: She's literally co chair of the Secure Asset Transfer Protocol.
Speaker 2: So literally Quant is guiding the re architecturing of the Internet,
Speaker 2: which will allow digital assets to move from one network
Speaker 2: to another, and to do that you have to have
Speaker 2: an API gateway on each side, and quants that API gateway.
Speaker 2: It's one of the only compliant gateways for this new
Speaker 2: Internet problem.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a Swift without Swift And oh.
Speaker 2: My goodness, this is so next level. Once you start
Speaker 2: understanding at what level the team is operating, it's they're
Speaker 2: they're literally guiding. They're the ones literally guiding the BIS,
Speaker 2: the central banks roll central banks. Yeah, literally helping them,
Speaker 2: you know, to understand how this should work. And this
Speaker 2: has been they've been working on this for a long time.
Speaker 1: This some this was just to kind of touch on
Speaker 1: that right there. This was some research that Smoke did.
Speaker 1: If you guys don't follow Smoke over on Twitter, make
Speaker 1: sure and do that. But he kind of hits it
Speaker 1: right here. So this is HSBC Barclay stand tender. This
Speaker 1: is this is the consortium that essentially is looking at
Speaker 1: tokenized money. They're saying that quant network managing that infrastructure
Speaker 1: for this framework, which is going to be operational in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six or is this already operational now?
Speaker 2: Oh, it gets beta, Paul, it gets here, right, It's here.
Speaker 2: So if you look at the secure ASCID transfertal CAOL,
Speaker 2: you look at literally La Chain project, you look all
Speaker 2: of different projects all the world, the Regularly Likely Network.
Speaker 2: These are all projects that are operating in sandboxes. And
Speaker 2: Quant admitted that literally everything they're doing is in a
Speaker 2: sandbox environment. So right now, if you look at Project Rosalin,
Speaker 2: Project Rosalin involved two central banks, Bank Canada, Bank of Angland,
Speaker 2: numerous commercial banks, and many FinTechs. This was years ago,
Speaker 2: were Quant confirmed, and this was headed by the BIS
Speaker 2: Innovation Hub. Right the central banks are all central banks.
Speaker 2: Quant admitted this was made public by the BIS and
Speaker 2: by Quant. That literally Quant was the infrastructure layer for
Speaker 2: Project Rosalin, which allowed corporations and FinTechs and governments to
Speaker 2: build the use cases for CBDC and so they were
Speaker 2: creating custom APIs. Now Quant in the last three days
Speaker 2: has become very bold and they're list just literally plainly
Speaker 2: plainly out saying they're plainly saying what we've been trying
Speaker 2: to tell the community. Now Quant is saying later literally
Speaker 2: we are the infrastructure for this new fort industrial revolution.
Speaker 2: Is literally you're saying. Because just recently they put out
Speaker 2: some statements they said, this is right on quint website.
Speaker 2: They said, you know, in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six is when the infrastructure was being determined, and the
Speaker 2: BIS they mentioned project the GOA, the Regulard Lively Network
Speaker 2: which is all the XRP. Later but they they go
Speaker 2: and mention this in the article and then they say this,
Speaker 2: this is sorry. They said that the BIS and the
Speaker 2: Central bankers have decided the model. The first layer is
Speaker 2: going to be CBDC layer, the second layer is the
Speaker 2: commercial bank layer toganization tognized deposits for example, and the
Speaker 2: third layer is the horizontal interobert ability layer that makes
Speaker 2: it all work together. And then they go on to
Speaker 2: explain in the article that quant is that horizontal layer.
Speaker 2: So literally Gilbert Verdian and he said, like this has
Speaker 2: been decided in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, we
Speaker 2: can see that by this project, in that project, in
Speaker 2: this project he mentioned the projects, and then he literally says,
Speaker 2: but twenty twenty six is where we go live at scale.
Speaker 2: Is they're literally just saying straight it up right now, it's.
Speaker 1: It's unleaded projecting right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's seven central banks. But project see this.
Speaker 2: This is where it gets even crazier. Gilbert Vernion admitted.
Speaker 2: When he was talking about the Regulated Library Network, he said,
Speaker 2: and this is right on Quan's website. He said, we
Speaker 2: provided the programmability, the interoperability and the custom APIs for
Speaker 2: the regular Library Network, but we also partnered with R
Speaker 2: three who's bringing over the shared ledger where all the
Speaker 2: tokenized assets will reside. The shared Ledger is the XRP Lager.
Speaker 2: And this is what I cracked the code on. And
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know that because I only
Speaker 2: started my channel last year. But the Shared Ledger, the
Speaker 2: Regular Library Network, the Unified Lager, the f Internet, Financial Internet,
Speaker 2: it's all the XRP Lager. The regularly Libly Network used
Speaker 2: to be called the Regulated Internet of Value, but they
Speaker 2: changed the name real quick because everybody knows that Ripple
Speaker 2: is building the Internet Value. But Gilbert Vernion admitted many times,
Speaker 2: we provide the programmability and intro probability for the libily,
Speaker 2: for the Regulated Lively Network, technically the Internet Value, because
Speaker 2: it used to be called the Regulated Internet Value in
Speaker 2: a city document. See I prove in my in my
Speaker 2: deep dives that it's all the same thing like I said,
Speaker 2: the Unified Leader, Shared Leader a regularly Liby network and
Speaker 2: the Internet. They save Internet for financial Internet instead of
Speaker 2: saying Internet value. So when Gilbert Verdion is saying, like
Speaker 2: all the CBDCs, the majority of the CDCs are being
Speaker 2: built on private versions of the public XRP laser, this
Speaker 2: is right on Ripple's website. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 2: people are not getting it. But so when guilt so
Speaker 2: the private CDCs, the CBDCs are being built on private
Speaker 2: versions of the public XRP lager, right, and the interlayer
Speaker 2: protocol Connects allows the public XRP lager to be the
Speaker 2: bridge for these CBDCs, so that.
Speaker 1: That gets into their Fusion roll up, which is essentially
Speaker 1: where they're rolling into that mean that's their twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six miles. This essentially is going to be the I
Speaker 1: guess their latest milestone, which is the main net launch
Speaker 1: of the Fusion roll up. This is going to unify
Speaker 1: all these different public and private chains under one place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and he said, and he in Twitter he
Speaker 2: said just recently think this was a few months ago,
Speaker 2: he said, we provide so in one interview on their website,
Speaker 2: he says we provide the programmability, interoperability and customer APIs
Speaker 2: for the regularly lib network, which is again regulated Internet value.
Speaker 2: But we partner with our three who bring over the
Speaker 2: shared Laser, which is the same thing that's the Internet value,
Speaker 2: that's the x CRPU lasuer. But now on Twitter, he said,
Speaker 2: we provide the quant fusion roll up, the multi layer
Speaker 2: roll up for the institutional Internet value. Right, Gilbert Verdion
Speaker 2: is making it very clear that they are not the
Speaker 2: Internet of Value. They are the Internet of Trust. And
Speaker 2: Gilbert Vernion has said at least ten fifteen times we
Speaker 2: are the Internet of Trust. But he says we provide
Speaker 2: the programmability for the institutional Internet value. For their regulated
Speaker 2: Internet of value. These are the CBDCs.
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Speaker 1: would there be somewhat of a transparency gap? Because if
Speaker 1: you look at Quanta working directly with these private banks,
Speaker 1: government institutions, you know these are this is the kind
Speaker 1: of a lack of visibility in terms of the adoption metrics.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that that is? Because I think
Speaker 1: that's a pushback that some people have said about this,
Speaker 1: is that there doesn't seem to be a full transparency here.
Speaker 2: Oh percent. The same reason for why they gave five
Speaker 2: different names for the for the XRP lager you know Ledger,
Speaker 2: Shared Ledger concept, regularly, Levy Network, so on and so forth,
Speaker 2: and then Project the Goral project Mbridge. It's it's all
Speaker 2: the XRP lagor for the most part.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Well, let me ask you what about the
Speaker 1: centralization risk, because this, of course is another concern. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like what we're dealing with with Swift right now.
Speaker 1: It's it's over over centralization of money movement. And if
Speaker 1: you look at quant network, I think they own the
Speaker 1: proprietary software. So if if the cent if the central
Speaker 1: enterprise ceased to operate, what would be the long term
Speaker 1: I guess decentralization and survival of the over ledger.
Speaker 2: Yah, how was that very good? That's a very good question.
Speaker 2: What I understood from quant is from Gilbert Verdian is
Speaker 2: that they just patented some of the core, but everything
Speaker 2: else is on GitHub and open source.
Speaker 1: Okay, every things.
Speaker 2: They pantented, which it's way above my pay grade, but
Speaker 2: they patented a few things at the core, but everything
Speaker 2: is open source and get up. And Gilbert very and
Speaker 2: explain that quant Overlager, Well, the Confusion roll up is
Speaker 2: actually going this is technically going to be hyper decentralized
Speaker 2: because everybody because he was asked about that centralization and
Speaker 2: he said, we're actually hyper decentralized. This was a few
Speaker 2: years ago in an interview. But we're going to that
Speaker 2: hyper decentralization now with the count Fusion roll up. Because
Speaker 2: the reason that is is because any individual, corporation, anybody
Speaker 2: can literally participate in the network by hosting gateways. So
Speaker 2: it actually becomes more decentralized than regular DeFi because it's
Speaker 2: decentralization for everything, like everybody can participate and bring their
Speaker 2: own notes and connect bring their own connectors, bring their
Speaker 2: own notes for any blockchain, whether it's permission permissionless, private, public,
Speaker 2: any any blockchain can connect. As long as you follow
Speaker 2: the specs, you connect. And that's why people have no
Speaker 2: clue what's coming with count fusion, because this is it
Speaker 2: like they've been working eight years to get to this point.
Speaker 2: What they just announced right now, it's a This could be.
Speaker 1: A big, big advantage for them. I mean because you
Speaker 1: you look at Cosmos or Polka Dot, you know those
Speaker 1: are layer zero and one frameworks right now, those are
Speaker 1: our kind of structural ecosystems around how this will work with.
Speaker 1: I think Cosmos has what is it called IBC interbank
Speaker 1: or inter blockchain communication. Then you got chain Link, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, the oracle side of it, which used a
Speaker 1: decentralization of networks that are using independent note operators, so
Speaker 1: that that's a competitor, I would say, But quant doesn't
Speaker 1: have its own blockchain, so.
Speaker 2: I think it's different.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: I think it's different and think that's what the chainlan
Speaker 2: community doesn't understand is because my understanding is, and I
Speaker 2: know that they've come up with some other stuff where
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, but it's mainly an oracle network my understanding,
Speaker 2: and so it bridges data, you can.
Speaker 1: Bring your breath and QUANT can scale. That's the advantage. Well, well, sorry,
Speaker 1: I think you think about the possibility of new chains
Speaker 1: coming online. This essentially would set on top of that
Speaker 1: for more advanced technology, especially as AI starts to get
Speaker 1: integrated more and more into blockchain. My question is is
Speaker 1: we probably are going to see an AI developed blockchain,
Speaker 1: maybe within the next eighteen months. Well, sorry, interconnection, that
Speaker 1: would be huge, That would be huge for Quant.
Speaker 2: Well, they made it very clear their interoperability between AI
Speaker 2: Quant Overlager is interoperability for any any to any so
Speaker 2: AI blockchains, legacy systems, any software, databases, imaging. But I
Speaker 2: want to explain something here to make something clear. Is
Speaker 2: quant The difference between Quant and chain link And there
Speaker 2: are many, but Quant is connecting the legacy systems to
Speaker 2: blockchain and allowing them to build multichain applications, picking the
Speaker 2: best features of blog each blockchain. This is not the
Speaker 2: same as chain link at all. Chain Link is simply
Speaker 2: bridging the data my understanding, allowing the data of the
Speaker 2: real world to come to the blockchain so that the
Speaker 2: smart contracts know when to execute. But Quant is completely
Speaker 2: different because again it's it's kind of thing those like
Speaker 2: Quan will overly on top of chain link, NXR be
Speaker 2: an etherium. Yeah, whatever you want from chain link, use
Speaker 2: whatever you want from chine link, whatever you want from etherium. Right,
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so it's not the same as Jessie.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that we don't see? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean because you're already you're already talking about central banks
Speaker 1: that are essentially going to be utilizing this kind of technology.
Speaker 1: Commercial banks, even global supply chains would probably come into this.
Speaker 1: Now you're dealing with, you know, the whole idea of
Speaker 1: you know, what is I would say is regulatory alignment
Speaker 1: because it's essentially laying on top of that this is patented,
Speaker 1: it's proprietary. Why wouldn't the US government work with this
Speaker 1: in correlation to essentially utilize this for interconnectivity across all blockchains,
Speaker 1: across a global footprint of what finance is going to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there are I think they're working definitely
Speaker 2: with it. Because Gilbert Veren made a statement the other day.
Speaker 2: He's like, programmable ural, programmable pound, yeah, check mark, check mark,
Speaker 2: and then he said programmable US the dollar question mark.
Speaker 2: So he's literally saying because when when Gilbert Verdin when
Speaker 2: they say we provide the programmability for money, because they
Speaker 2: have like new programmable money. This literally is for all
Speaker 2: the money, for all the CBDCs, for all of it.
Speaker 2: And that's why he can safely say we provide the
Speaker 2: programmability for the Internet value, for the regulated Internet value, yeah,
Speaker 2: which which is technically all the CBDCs, all the money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's huge.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm surprised the token hasn't started to move because
Speaker 1: I know the token has a very strict hardcap supply.
Speaker 1: What is it like fourteen and a half million or so.
Speaker 2: Less less than bitcoin two thirds of bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Four Yeah, so basically already all of it in circulation.
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't especially if you look at a fiat
Speaker 1: to crypto SaaS basically is what you're talking about, it's
Speaker 1: a fiat to crypto software as a service, this would
Speaker 1: seem as though it would have heavy the activity right now,
Speaker 1: especially as we start to see tokenization really going mainstream.
Speaker 1: Now you've got I don't know if clarity is going
Speaker 1: to go through or not, but the point is I
Speaker 1: don't think this needs clarity at all. Where XRP I
Speaker 1: feel like does need or Ripple does need clarity to
Speaker 1: start to really do some things unique here in the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 2: So maybe the United States. But one thing about Ripple
Speaker 2: is that ripple net has been always fully compliant, a
Speaker 2: KYC compliant AML complying to have a global rule book
Speaker 2: that we're seeing in project the go rap project Mbridge,
Speaker 2: Libily networks this rule book that the DTCC, Donald Donnie
Speaker 2: who helped them to create the rule book, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: the Global Payment Steering Group was literally a chairman was
Speaker 2: Donald Donna Hue. We talked about that, me and you.
Speaker 2: He was the chairman of the DTCC. He was the
Speaker 2: CEO and president of the DTCC, went and became chairman
Speaker 2: of the Global Payment Steering Group and they created which
Speaker 2: Ripple founded. So imagine that the former CEO of the
Speaker 2: DTCC literally creates the Global Payment Steering Group is to
Speaker 2: chair them in from day one with Ripple. Ripple founded
Speaker 2: its group and they agreed the global rule book which
Speaker 2: Ripple has. So ripple net is very, very compliant. That's
Speaker 2: what I've been telling the community. Listen when they were
Speaker 2: saying like they're worried about this and that, and lawsuit
Speaker 2: is all bs in my opinion, But you're right that
Speaker 2: I think in the US it will help adoption, and
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's definitely some benefits there. But Ripple
Speaker 2: has got a lot of things under the sleeve that
Speaker 2: I think people are not realizing, especially Ripple Nett being
Speaker 2: fully compliant, you.
Speaker 1: Know, with with already integration into cbdc's globally because there's
Speaker 1: so many countries that are developing them. Then you have
Speaker 1: commercial applications, why not why not see that integrated into
Speaker 1: the US, especially as we if in fact we do
Speaker 1: get clarity, a lot of this could start to open
Speaker 1: up on a regulatory framework for not only companies but governments.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and sorry, I remember now what you asked
Speaker 2: is about the price. Why didn't we you know, the right?
Speaker 1: How is it moving? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think because that's why I did some deep dies
Speaker 2: on that. I think it's because everything's being built in sandboxes.
Speaker 2: That's what I understood from Quant because Quant is very
Speaker 2: specific that you don't need to pay for the quant
Speaker 2: license yet, which we'll use Q and T, and also
Speaker 2: to validate the transactions as well in the network, you
Speaker 2: don't have to pay that until you go live. So
Speaker 2: all of the commercial banks, enterprises, governments. They're all building
Speaker 2: solutions right now what we call m DAPs within the
Speaker 2: sandbox environment, but when they go live with their application,
Speaker 2: then they'll have to pay for the QUANT license. And
Speaker 2: so they've been working when these sandbox environments now like
Speaker 2: three or four years.
Speaker 1: I wonder I got to get a QUANT developer on
Speaker 1: because I wonder if if m dabs are operating on
Speaker 1: essentially an abstraction layer above the chains.
Speaker 2: That's what it is, very complex restruction.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't this start to work in other areas that
Speaker 1: where blockchain is starting to be incorporated, because you could
Speaker 1: have developers basically isolate different tasks and send them to
Speaker 1: the blockchain best suited for the job, like an AI
Speaker 1: developer would do, because that's exactly what it's doing now.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys are vibe coding out there,
Speaker 1: you understand the utilization of tools that these AI bots
Speaker 1: are doing. So I'm just wondering because you could essentially
Speaker 1: execuse smart contracts on ethereum for complex business elements. You
Speaker 1: could settle payments on bank control you know ledgers like
Speaker 1: quorda Okay or a CBDC, and then you could anchor
Speaker 1: things like data logues, which is proof of delivery like
Speaker 1: on bitcoin, you know.
Speaker 2: So huh, well, well, they've put out some serious statements
Speaker 2: about where they're going with AI with quant and unfortunately
Speaker 2: I didn't read them this morning. It's been a while,
Speaker 2: so I can't really quote them. But quant is literally there. Again.
Speaker 2: They're connecting the AI world with blockchain, with the legacy and.
Speaker 1: Here here's a killer app that you have to think about.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking through this as a developer, you know,
Speaker 1: is there's no single point of failure. That's huge and
Speaker 1: this is like on one thing that every dav is
Speaker 1: trying to build, is no single point of failure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's future proof too because again being one
Speaker 2: of the top cybersecurity experts in the world, being responsible
Speaker 2: for the security of nations, because he explains that listen,
Speaker 2: these central banks have what are called critical national infrastructure.
Speaker 2: You can't shut it down, and you're going to make
Speaker 2: sure that whenever it's using there's no mess up here
Speaker 2: like this is critical national infrastructure. So he understood him
Speaker 2: and his team that you need to build an operating
Speaker 2: system and it needed to be done a very very
Speaker 2: specific way because he understood that the Internet was never
Speaker 2: made to move money as well, so it's future proof
Speaker 2: as well any future blockchain. That's what he explained. And
Speaker 2: when they did the ICO, he said to the community,
Speaker 2: he said, listen, what can you do with it? We
Speaker 2: don't know. That's where we're asking you to build on
Speaker 2: it because it's almost like unlimited use cases if you
Speaker 2: think about it. If you can connect any legacy system,
Speaker 2: any blockchain, any AI solution, any to any API anything, yeah,
Speaker 2: any software databases, CRMs and like if you look at
Speaker 2: sorry what is called zapier, Zapier and all of those
Speaker 2: quant automatically connects to every five thousand app on Zapier.
Speaker 1: And make dot com wow.
Speaker 2: And so it's any to any That's why he said
Speaker 2: that we don't know what you can build like. It's imagine,
Speaker 2: it's the it's the he said. We are the Microsoft Windows.
Speaker 2: If you think about it, we're like Microsoft Windows with
Speaker 2: a router on top. Microsoft Windows. What what what allowed
Speaker 2: us to go from the Second Industrial Age, from the
Speaker 2: manufacturing age to the Third Industrial Age or the Third
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution, which was the information age. It was it
Speaker 2: was the operating system that did that. It allowed interoperability
Speaker 2: in their computer. I guess and and with the the
Speaker 2: Internet whatever, it allows us to just press a button, boom,
Speaker 2: we're in the Internet world. But without Microsoft Windows, it
Speaker 2: never would happen. So Gilbert Verdian, that's what he did.
Speaker 2: He created kind of the same concept with a router
Speaker 2: on top because he understands the architecture of the Internet.
Speaker 2: He understands because that's where his industry comes from, being
Speaker 2: one of the top cybersecurity experts in the world. His
Speaker 2: industry comes he explains in his I c O that
Speaker 2: his industry comes from the Internet originally being built for
Speaker 2: not to move money. That's that's why I like, originally
Speaker 2: the Internet was supposed to be a protocol we communicate. They
Speaker 2: never taught that we were going to build all these
Speaker 2: different use cases and piled like money and different things
Speaker 2: on the Internet. So that's where his industry comes from.
Speaker 2: Because so I'm not explaining it well, but literally they
Speaker 2: had to security Internet because it was never meant to
Speaker 2: do everything we're doing on it. And that's where yeah,
Speaker 2: his profession comes from. So you understood that.
Speaker 1: I said on a on a CTO advisory group that
Speaker 1: works with a bunch of these different tech companies and
Speaker 1: mostly its developers and chief technology officers that are mainly
Speaker 1: in I won't say Fortune five hundred, maybe Fortune twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred companies. And one thing that came up recently
Speaker 1: was this whole idea of the quantum threat, and I
Speaker 1: thought this was interesting. What we derived was that essentially
Speaker 1: the entire digital economy that we're running on today, which
Speaker 1: is including blockchain, bitcoin of theorem, it doesn't matter all
Speaker 1: these rely on asymmetric cryptography. Okay. Because of that, what
Speaker 1: you're dealing with is the bad guys are out there
Speaker 1: harvesting now to decrypt later. So when quantum does arrive,
Speaker 1: they've got the harvested data and essentially developing a quantum
Speaker 1: threat where they would be basically decrypting it retrospectively, you know,
Speaker 1: in essence. So that's a major concern to me, especially
Speaker 1: if you look at the blockchain nightmare that seems to
Speaker 1: be brewing right now. When it comes to quantum risks
Speaker 1: as a whole, how would quant solve or eliminate some
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: do remember, if I'm not mistaken, I do remember Gilbert
Speaker 2: Verdi and explaining that I think he said it has
Speaker 2: been solved, that they have solved it, I think, okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure about that, but yeah, well there.
Speaker 1: I think one thing I read was that their counter
Speaker 1: strategy was what they called crypto agility or something where essentially,
Speaker 1: because it's an over ledger, it's like an API operating
Speaker 1: on you know, two.
Speaker 2: Points exactly, API eight weight, that's what it is. Ye.
Speaker 1: So this would essentially allow that to model around a
Speaker 1: quantum risk. So instead of waiting for individual blockchains to
Speaker 1: upgrade their core consensus, quant would basically be able to
Speaker 1: go in and flex around that. So interesting, man, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they have this locked down and they just
Speaker 1: haven't released the information yet.
Speaker 2: It's possible. They have quantinit, they have quant fusion, they
Speaker 2: have quant like it's and the solutions they're building too
Speaker 2: are not these small solutions like this is like literally
Speaker 2: infrastructure for nations. This is infrastructure for money. They were
Speaker 2: the first one to create a language, a programming language
Speaker 2: for money. Yeah, I can't remember what's the name of it.
Speaker 2: It's leaving my mind right now, but a programmable language
Speaker 2: for money. And so you're programming money like we quant
Speaker 2: You ear lader saying if this and this and this happens.
Speaker 2: Damn you know, send a thousand dollars to my daughter
Speaker 2: buy two hundred dollars worth of disktock one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars here Like you're programming money. You're programming logic, which
Speaker 2: is not good at the end of the day for CBDCs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to tell you because I know you're you
Speaker 2: don't like it more than I do when it comes
Speaker 2: to those program CBDCs. But yeah, it's what do.
Speaker 1: You think about that statement though? For you know, for QDA,
Speaker 1: is the crypto agility statement that I heard or watch
Speaker 1: them talk about, Because if you think about that, then
Speaker 1: essentially an API operating system could handle a lot of
Speaker 1: these upgrades faster so as Ether or any any blockchain
Speaker 1: out there, traditional blockchain starts to make upgrades, You've got
Speaker 1: the ability to handle that upgrade much faster as more
Speaker 1: of an API layer. So if if a company were
Speaker 1: using quants over Ledger to send them, say, send quantum
Speaker 1: safe instructions, but the destination blockchain itself is still using legacy,
Speaker 1: then you know, that's the question. Maybe that's where quant
Speaker 1: would be protecting the end use against you know, quantum,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like the bridge component that we're
Speaker 1: dealing with right now, where bridges are very risky. So, man,
Speaker 1: this is a lot, a lot of stuff. What would
Speaker 1: you say if as far as adoption, you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at adoption curves that are happening, I think
Speaker 1: right now in the US until they get clarity or
Speaker 1: whether we get it or we don't get it. The
Speaker 1: point is is that you have to have some vision.
Speaker 1: Have you been watching what's going on in Japan?
Speaker 2: No? Not so.
Speaker 1: Essentially they put r l USD is essentially you can
Speaker 1: utilize is it inside the ecosystem? There? They basically green
Speaker 1: lit R l ust and.
Speaker 2: As a state everywhere, So you're going to do it everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's huge, And maybe what we end up
Speaker 1: with here is a new emerging region in the world
Speaker 1: that is way ahead, much like what the US was
Speaker 1: when Wall Street and Silicon Valley were launched. You know,
Speaker 1: it was an emerging because unfortunately, I'm wondering if the
Speaker 1: US is going to actually fall behind on all of this.
Speaker 2: They need to get this passed.
Speaker 1: It's it's advancing so quickly. They need to turn observers
Speaker 1: of the technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. They need to get this passed.
Speaker 2: But don't you find an interesting paull How us DT is, obviously,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is a three letter agency operation. The
Speaker 2: prop up bitcoined and prop up digital currencies, right, so
Speaker 2: they print this out of kin air. They're literally printing
Speaker 2: US dollars what you were doing. Nobody stopped them, right,
Speaker 2: You can't do that unless your three letter agency. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, they did this for years. It helped to
Speaker 2: basically ramp up bitcoin, you know, made it very lucrative,
Speaker 2: It made it very shiny object for crypto in general, right,
Speaker 2: propped up the market with that, plus liquid and all
Speaker 2: these other things too. But usd T was very instrumental
Speaker 2: in that. Might if I'm not mistaken here, and then
Speaker 2: now that Ripple is ready, they're starting to scale down
Speaker 2: USDT everywhere.
Speaker 1: We'll starting Mika. Mika of course is locked it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is interesting and interesting timing, Is that what you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The timing I mean with Mika locking it out. Now
Speaker 1: you've got Japan coming in and pushing r L USD,
Speaker 1: which is a major trading part of the United States.
Speaker 1: You have ripple right now on essentially the precipice of
Speaker 1: because these next two weeks will decide how the US
Speaker 1: is going to go forward. And unfortunately we are dealing
Speaker 1: with some lawmakers up there by the name of Warren,
Speaker 1: uh that just cannot let this go. I still think
Speaker 1: there might be an opportunity here where housing bill is
Speaker 1: held hostage for the Clarity Act. Have you followed this
Speaker 1: a bit, I mean from you she Warren wants this
Speaker 1: housing bill to essentially secure. The Housing Bill in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: just is not allowing major corporations to buy up single
Speaker 1: family homes, okay, So, which is what a lot of
Speaker 1: these major corporations have been doing. They've been sucking up
Speaker 1: these single family homes in these depressed markets, and it's
Speaker 1: getting ready to get worse. So the housing bill Trump
Speaker 1: puts on hold because many people would say, all right,
Speaker 1: Trump's protecting his buddies who are over there doing real
Speaker 1: estate acquisitions. If he says, well, listen, I'll give you
Speaker 1: the Housing Bill if in fact, you give me the
Speaker 1: Clarity Act. So I think there's a little bit of trading,
Speaker 1: even though he's got a very short window to get
Speaker 1: that done, because otherwise I think they push this housing
Speaker 1: bill through as soon as the Democrats take control of
Speaker 1: the Senate, which could happen in you know, the fall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's these people you mentioned, like this,
Speaker 2: this girl and I'm not gonna call her lady, but
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. How is it that these if this would
Speaker 2: have happened years ago, we would have had these type
Speaker 2: of people in government, I mean people would have like
Speaker 2: people would have burned down the cities in the country.
Speaker 2: Like the stuff that we're allowing these evil puppets to do.
Speaker 2: It's it's unbelievable. Like, oh, it's unbelievable what she's what
Speaker 2: she's done. Like if you look at everything she's done,
Speaker 2: anything good, anything that's good for the public, anything she
Speaker 2: she's fought out, all their policies, her and all the
Speaker 2: other ones like her. It's unbelievable what they're doing to
Speaker 2: the country. It's absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Well, in the I think you have to understand, guys,
Speaker 1: that we are we are in a very interesting point
Speaker 1: right now in American history, and it is a time
Speaker 1: in which either we will look back and say this
Speaker 1: was when America continued its powerhouse or juggernaut, or it
Speaker 1: was the period in which the US let it slip
Speaker 1: through their hands. Because they essentially have the possibility. We
Speaker 1: have the possibility to do that.
Speaker 2: So well, if you look at all the previous administration,
Speaker 2: the last two three administrations. Listen, I know people don't
Speaker 2: like talking with politics sometimes, and you know, you say
Speaker 2: something and they think you're all crazy and oh, but
Speaker 2: if you look at if people really look at the
Speaker 2: policies of the last two or three administration, what they
Speaker 2: did to the country is unbelievable. It's unheard of. In
Speaker 2: my opinion. There was a goal to just destroy destroy America,
Speaker 2: and that's what Trump is trying to do. He's trying
Speaker 2: to save it. And but he's got you know, he
Speaker 2: didn't realize how deep the swamp was. I think maybe
Speaker 2: he knew. But when you say we're going to clean
Speaker 2: the swamp, the swamp is pretty deep. The researching guy
Speaker 2: and it's deep, very.
Speaker 1: Deep, very very deep. Well, I mean, if you, if
Speaker 1: you guys want to go read a book, there is
Speaker 1: one that I have for you that will explain what
Speaker 1: Jesse just said. And it's a book called Family of Secrets. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is about the Bush dynasty and the invisible government
Speaker 1: that's been hidden from history about over the last fifty years.
Speaker 1: So go read that book. You'll see it. You'll find
Speaker 1: it on Amazon. No, no link in the description, but no,
Speaker 1: Russ Baker is the author. It's a great book. I
Speaker 1: just finished reading it about a month ago. I have
Speaker 1: some good books. I got to get start putting those out,
Speaker 1: because when I put out a book recommendation, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tweet it. Today. I put out book recommendations and people
Speaker 1: always are like, man, I've never seen this book, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what is the Diary of the Economic
Speaker 1: hit Man? The original version?
Speaker 2: If you want your channel down? But yeah, Fishings of
Speaker 2: an Economic hit name.
Speaker 1: That one, yes, all right, the first edition? Not they
Speaker 1: don't even you can't even get it anymore. It's like
Speaker 1: black market. You have to find it used John Perkins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other one. I would recommend it. I
Speaker 2: don't think he wrote a book, but this one. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if I should say it. But if
Speaker 2: your channels get shut down, I do apologize in advance.
Speaker 1: Easy, Okay, don't say it. Don't say it, we'll put it. Well.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, you know like a ship, you know, a boat,
Speaker 2: a ship with three guns. Okay, So first name is Kevin,
Speaker 2: last name is like a ship, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: in a boat. Yeah, there you got two piece? All right, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah go check guy out.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my collection of what would be probably
Speaker 1: illegal books in about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's yeah for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in twenty years, if you want that book, you gotta
Speaker 2: get a you gotta get a chip in your hand.
Speaker 2: Not twenty years.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, well it maybe faster than that.
Speaker 2: Man, But Kevin shipped my friend with two piece. He
Speaker 2: used to work for a three letter agency. He held
Speaker 2: the highest positions, all the highest positions literally majority of
Speaker 2: how your highest positions within that agency and became a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, you've got a lot of news hitting the
Speaker 1: market this week. We'll cover that with a ton of interviews.
Speaker 1: We're going to be covering Jesse. It's always fun doing
Speaker 1: deep dives with you. Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: in today.
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. On it to be all, I really
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I really pre that it is all over
Speaker 2: the map. But when you're getting started on quantitix RP,
Speaker 2: it's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it interesting is Yeah, it's interesting to get into
Speaker 1: this stuff because I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize how close we are. The fortunate thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: I recognize it very easily because I've seen these times before,
Speaker 1: when we were first edging into the birth of the
Speaker 1: Internet and what Tim berners Lee was about to unleash
Speaker 1: on the world. These are the same signs that I
Speaker 1: saw then. I see now, same thing when mobile compute
Speaker 1: started in two thousand and seven, when Apple, you know,
Speaker 1: released their iPhone, and of course right after that social
Speaker 1: media was launched. So a lot of unique timing here
Speaker 1: for the finance sector. And I think there's some very
Speaker 1: interesting companies, quap being one of them, that will be
Speaker 1: at the front forefront of this. For sure.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely huge. Politic could just add it's huge because
Speaker 2: we are going into the fort Industrial Revolution. That's what
Speaker 2: people don't realize. The Third Industrial Revolution was the information age,
Speaker 2: which was just transformed the way society worked exactly. No,
Speaker 2: but now we're going to the fort Industrial Age, which
Speaker 2: is blogchain, AI and other things all combined, all basically
Speaker 2: very powerful transformational technologies, but all complementary to another one
Speaker 2: another at the same time. So the transformation we're going
Speaker 2: to see in twenty thirty years, in next ten to fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty years is going to make the Internet look like
Speaker 2: a joke. Yeah, I mark my words in that one.
Speaker 2: Because the Internet didn't have the Internet to piggyback off
Speaker 2: exactly right, that's why it's moving so fast.
Speaker 1: Well, and you're right, because you look at previous technology shifts.
Speaker 1: The Internet was a was a magnitude of order of
Speaker 1: magnitude in terms of growth and the era that it
Speaker 1: placed prior to that. You know, many many you guys
Speaker 1: probably don't remember prior Internet, but I was around during
Speaker 1: that era and that was a that was a big deal.
Speaker 1: The world ran just fine, but it didn't run at speed.
Speaker 1: And now you apply blockchain and AI into this, dude,
Speaker 1: and then you throw robotics at this.
Speaker 2: Holy no, no, it's it's insane. What's coming. It's it's
Speaker 2: the mind cannot fandom what's coming just Ei alone, let alone,
Speaker 2: never mind blotching. But when you connect all the three together,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's at like take the Internet multiple a
Speaker 2: one hundred times. It's going to be stupid.
Speaker 1: It's very very interesting concerning if we don't get our
Speaker 1: hands around it. And then also I think for society,
Speaker 1: it's going to create some shifts that maybe even we
Speaker 1: don't realize are going to be happening. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have already started to see a little
Speaker 1: bit of this, which is why it's so important for
Speaker 1: people to get into digital assets, because this is essentially
Speaker 1: the wealth the server and the maker at the same time.
Speaker 1: Whether you're someone who's achieved some wealth in life or
Speaker 1: you're a person that has not, this is the time
Speaker 1: where actually both societies can benefit from this. So very
Speaker 1: intriguing issues for sure. All right, guys, you know what
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