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Let's get 29 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:41,000 out to the hot live Welcome in college football inside 30 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:45,000 or Big twelve inside or representing locked on Big Twelve. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,200 We got the one the only Drake Toll on Live Drake, 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:47,760 How you Live It? 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,239 Speaker 4: Then on the very same day that John curses on 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,239 your show, I mean talk about dog this. Look, this 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,799 is a loaded lineup for you on ESPN nine to 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,000 sixty today and I'm honored to. 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 5: Be a part of it. 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: You know it. 39 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:06,079 Speaker 2: Living the dream here now, Like all seems well in 40 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:10,159 Cougar Country, Kilani has been extended, the staff got some 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,800 pay raises, the players got some nil BYU's going to 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,879 the Big twelve championship game. 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: But there's some qualms as well. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: There's disrespect in college football as it pertains to BYU 45 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:30,439 bear Bachmeier's not a listed as a Freshman of the 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,479 Year nationally. 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,479 Speaker 3: He got the Big Twelve honor. Big Twelve give him 48 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:34,080 some love there. 49 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: Kilane Yes gets the Big Twelve Coach of the Year, 50 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:42,240 but no one's recognizing him nationally, and BYU as a 51 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:47,319 team is sitting outside looking into the college football playoff 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,599 at number eleven. 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,479 Speaker 3: What do you make of it all, Drake? 54 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the best of times, it is the 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,639 worst of times. It's never enough, as they say, y 56 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,120 to be a Big twelve fan. If you think about 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,680 then where BYU comes from in terms of two years ago. 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,879 That was a team that in football was was not 59 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,199 competitive enough to make a bowl game in that Oklahoma 60 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:14,520 State game at the end of the year, was you know, 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,879 just that the icing on the cake. If we all 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,960 most did it against a good team, do you see 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 the flashes and then it's gone. And last year I 64 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,719 think the media fixed BYU to finish on the back 65 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:25,840 half of the Big twelve, middle of the pack maybe, 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,039 And what happened was kind of the Cincinnati syndrome. What 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,000 the Bearcats going through this year of BYU last season 68 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:35,120 got to win at the highest level, be a top 69 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,960 ten team and the bottom falls out on you. You lose 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,240 two games late to the most crucial two games, you 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,960 can't go to the college Football playoffs and you end 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,919 up going to the Alio Bowl. And that win was fun, 73 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,879 but it wasn't a playoff victory. It's it's this air 74 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:50,879 of we're elite, we can do it, We've proven ourselves, 75 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:51,479 but we. 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,879 Speaker 5: Just came up short. 77 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: The most dagger to the heart thing you can imagine 78 00:03:56,719 --> 00:03:58,759 in sports would be for BYU to do it again 79 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,639 this year, but really have its destiny pulled away from 80 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,800 the university and away from the football team. Because at 81 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,039 eleven to one, any power for a team has proven 82 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,400 to the committee they are good enough to be in 83 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,400 the college football playoffs. And so you could say, hey, 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,240 if EYU just win the games, or they win the 85 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,040 Big twelve championship, or they you know, beat Texas Tech. 86 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 5: In the regular season, they would be in. 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 4: But to me, it. 88 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,879 Speaker 5: Doesn't work that way. 89 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: You've already proven you deserve to be a college football 90 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,360 playoff team. Rules me, in other schools and other universities 91 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,839 like at Notre Dame, who you point their resume and say, 92 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,600 look how good their losses are? I mean as great 93 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,800 as everything feels at BYU. There's still this air of 94 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,920 what could be and why aren't the Cougars getting the 95 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,720 respect they deserve from Bear Bockmeyer, as you mentioned, not 96 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,000 being a for Freshman of the Year nationally, klaasatake not 97 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,959 I'm not hearing any murmurs of him being a Coach 98 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:50,800 of the Year nationally. For the football team being held 99 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:54,319 out of the playoffs because of a brand bias, and 100 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:57,720 even this week in the conversations of hey, how supported 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,519 does Kilane feel by the administration by you got this 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,279 close to losing its head football coach three days ago. 103 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:07,199 This is one of the strangest times. I think you 104 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,959 could be a fan of any power for school and 105 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,360 it's happening to BYU. 106 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Nation crazy times, no doubt about it, Drake Toll Lockdown 107 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:21,720 Big twelve here on ESPN The Fan, Drake, how where 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,480 do you think a fair ranking would be for BYU 109 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:25,279 with their resume? 110 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: Where do you think they should be? 111 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: I think YU being at at nine is not It 112 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,399 shouldn't be a foreign thoughts to anybody. I think BYU 113 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:39,759 being one of the not the highest ranked one loss team, 114 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,720 but in the mix of hey, this is a BYU 115 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:44,519 team that we need to show the ultimate respect to 116 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,439 because of who they have beaten, the wins, they have 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,639 their shrink the schedule this year, I think it's clear 118 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,639 they should be above Notre Dame. It's very clear to 119 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,560 me they should still be above Alabama BAMA loss to 120 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,639 hapless Florida state teams. You know, Notre Dame has a 121 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,000 couple of quality losses, but they don't have the same 122 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,480 quality wins that BYU does right now on the resume, 123 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,839 and then I know Oklahoma went on the road and 124 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,040 got to win at Alabama, but again we're talking about 125 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:09,519 wins and losses. What have you done for me? 126 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 5: How many games have you won? 127 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 4: I think YU should squarely be at nine. I'm surprised 128 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,560 that they're not, And honestly, you could make. 129 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:19,199 Speaker 5: A case for them at eight. And if you want 130 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:19,439 to go. 131 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:22,439 Speaker 4: Even further, their strength of schedule is better than Texas 132 00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:24,040 A and M. They've played better opponents. A and M 133 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,040 brilliantly played. They only beat the back half of the 134 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,519 SEC schedule. If not for their Notre Dame win, I'm 135 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:32,639 a bit more confused about what A and M looks like, 136 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,480 and so I would lobby for BYU to be squarely 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,959 in the top ten in that eight to nine range, 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,879 and it is we're talking then, And I know I'm 139 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,439 getting ahead of myself a bit, but this is some 140 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:47,399 Sherman Antitrust Act stuff. I mean, you leave BYU out 141 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:50,240 at eleven and one, and there should be and I 142 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,920 hope there will be a lawsuit against this committee because 143 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:56,839 there's plenty to prove that by every metric they are 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,040 better than Notre Dame and better than Alabama from a 145 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,839 resume standpoint. Just do not understand how BYU is getting 146 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:05,439 so much disrespect as a power for team at eleven 147 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:05,759 and one. 148 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,199 Speaker 2: Yell's wonder if if BYU was an independent and had 149 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,800 that same record, had the same strength of record, had 150 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:18,040 the same strength of schedule, would they be ranked higher 151 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:19,959 as like an independent than they would? 152 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:21,279 Speaker 3: I mean, like, does it matter? 153 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:22,879 Speaker 5: Yeah? 154 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: I don't think so, so, Ben, Here's what's so interesting 155 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:29,279 about this before and this is this is damning for 156 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,439 myself and I'm gonna feel back Curtin and Debt. Seven 157 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:37,439 years ago, the average college football fan, only myself included, 158 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,959 would have seen Navy and BYU as pretty similar football programs. 159 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:45,120 And you say, well, that's terrible, what a bad take. 160 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,600 B YU is so much better historically than Navy. Of 161 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,000 course they are, but the reason being the years of 162 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:55,639 independence war on BYU's brand and and how the country 163 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,399 viewed BYU because it was that was that fun game 164 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,639 that somebody got to throw into the schedule, That was 165 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,560 that fun game against Boise State, that was a fun 166 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,959 game against Notre Dame. And wow, BYU upsets Texas, But 167 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,920 you don't get respect for it because somewhere down the 168 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:12,319 line BYU loses a game or two, they're independent. 169 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,079 Speaker 5: And people just forget about the Cougars. 170 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: They didn't have near enough dominance in the BCS erap 171 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,240 and when they were independent, people just forgot even after 172 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:21,279 big wins. 173 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,319 Speaker 5: The BYU existed. 174 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: Now in the Big twelve, the conference right your mark, 175 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,079 they realized national championship program with players at the top 176 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,600 of college football the course the last five decades, Lavelle Edwards, 177 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,240 what Klaga Satake has built in nine years of BYU, 178 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,039 it is a parent. 179 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 5: It is obvious. 180 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: It is huge what BYU brings to the Big Twelve conference. 181 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,240 But the average college football fan, for some reason, their 182 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,159 brand bias against BYU. Their brand, but and Ben to 183 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,799 some extent, which I think is is a byproduct of 184 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:51,879 why we keep hearing these. 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,919 Speaker 5: Anti religious chants at these universities. 186 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,639 Speaker 4: They just think, oh, that's that crazy religious school. We 187 00:08:57,759 --> 00:08:59,799 can walk all over them. We don't have the factor 188 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,759 them and we don't have to care about them because 189 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:04,639 we think they're different. It is a travesy what's happening 190 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:07,799 to BYU. It is brand biased at its core, and 191 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,600 I think that's what it's chalked up to years of 192 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:14,159 independence that if this was Kansas State, they're in. If 193 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,240 this is Iowa State, they're in. For some reason, BYU 194 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,840 and year three being in a power conference being extremely 195 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:25,000 good scares college football. They don't understand it. They don't 196 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,759 know what to do with it, and it is so 197 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,960 it is so infuriating to see the way that BYU 198 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:31,600 is being treated. 199 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: Drake, what's your prognostication for this BYU Texas Tech matchup. 200 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Let me give you a little bit of a preface here. 201 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,320 My guy Greg Rebel, a man of metrics, the voice 202 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,000 of the Cougar, said this. Yeah, this is what he said. Okay, 203 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,240 he said, colleg Football Player Committee is using the nature 204 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,679 of the BYUS. BoA's lost twenty nine to seven in 205 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:55,320 Love it right as a reason to keep them out 206 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,120 and exclude them, even though this is the number four 207 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:00,519 team in the country. They are first in rushing defense, 208 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,720 third in and scoring defense, six in total defense. A 209 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,000 closer looking side than numbers from November eight shows many 210 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,679 interesting things. So BYU had negative yards on two of 211 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,440 twelve drives. Texas Tech had negative yardage on four of 212 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:19,960 thirteen drives. By You scored one touchdown on twelve possessions. 213 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,200 Tech scored two touchdowns on thirteen possessions. BYU punted six times, 214 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,960 Tech punted five times. BYUS average yards per play three 215 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,399 point nine versus techs four point nine. By You had 216 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,720 more sacks four to one, had more time of possession 217 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:37,840 thirty thirty five to twenty nine twenty five. 218 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: Boa had fourteen first downs. 219 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: Tech had seventeen first down text points, first downs, and 220 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,279 yardage totals against BYU were the lowest in any of 221 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,559 their eleven wins, and it was the lowest scoring point 222 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,679 win total in their margin of victory. So, all that 223 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,559 being said, what's gonna change in Arlington? 224 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: Do you think that all sounds like Gregory bells a 225 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:04,759 voice the Kugers, That's what that's sounds like, I mean, yeah, look, 226 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:07,840 you you convinced yourself, and I'm gonna shoot you straight. Ben, 227 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:10,120 I think if you're Brett or Mark, you convinced yourself, 228 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,519 the BYU is going to win. If if you're the 229 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,399 BYU fan base, you hope for that. And the reason 230 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:17,279 the conference does too is because they want to get 231 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,240 multiple teams into the college football playoffs. The metric that 232 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,159 I've looked at a lot is Texas Tech just not 233 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,440 being to their EPI love EPA, and I only recently 234 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,080 learned a few weeks ago that the BYU alumni created 235 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,480 this EPA metrics with efficiency and Texas Tech number fifty 236 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:34,840 three throwing the football, number one hundred and seven running 237 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,320 the football. 238 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: And now, Ben, you would say, how. 239 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 4: Could Texas Tech with Cameron Dickie Jacoby Williams be one 240 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,840 hundredth at running the football efficiency wise? Here's why you're 241 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,600 ready for This's my favorite number. 242 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 5: To give for this game. 243 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,039 Speaker 4: I give it seventeen times when I show this week. 244 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,360 Texas Tech ran the ball forty three times one hundred 245 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,039 and forty nine yards. Cameron Dickey's longest carry was thirty 246 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,679 three yards. D Kobe Williams's longest carry was forty three 247 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,840 yards half of Texas text rushing yard, which came on 248 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:04,600 two plays. The other half came on forty one plays. 249 00:12:04,919 --> 00:12:08,879 That shows me that Texas tech, aside from the chunk play, 250 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,279 was fallible offensively against BYU and the Cougars. The lights 251 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:17,320 were just too bright going into Lubvick. It was just 252 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,120 too much for Bear Blackmeyering Company to handle, even though 253 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Bear was only sacked once and Baron Morton was sacked 254 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:25,919 four times. If you limit the chunk play, you limit 255 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,600 the big play. 256 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,399 Speaker 5: It was like those tech scoring drives. 257 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,919 Speaker 4: It's had one play of twenty six yards somewhere in there, 258 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,279 and that was the backbreaker for BYU. Every other play 259 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,080 was four or five yards. That's where I think BYU 260 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,440 can win this game. Is not everybody saying, oh, well, 261 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,120 if you turn them over and the ball bounce is 262 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:41,360 the right way and the ball bounce is. 263 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 5: The wrong way. 264 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,919 Speaker 4: Now, I think you limit the tech chunk plays and 265 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,519 BYU was within a score or two. 266 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, BYU a twelve and a half point dog 267 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,919 at worst. You know, for BYU fans at least, do 268 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,799 you think they cover. Do you think BYU covers in 269 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,320 this game? 270 00:12:59,559 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: In our. 271 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: Ben. I think YU wins Wow Wow. 272 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,399 Speaker 5: I think YU wins the football game and. 273 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,879 Speaker 4: The biggest so also wild stab. Yu had more title 274 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,639 possession against Texas Tech the first time around. The reason 275 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,639 I have decided it took me a long time to 276 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:20,440 get to this because that originally was like Texas Tech 277 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,879 buy three, Texas Tech by six, maybe like ten if 278 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,240 things go odd. There is a respect, the reverence and 279 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,799 understanding on the Tech side. For Joey maguire, he has 280 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,080 set it this week that BYU deserves to be a 281 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,679 college football playoff team. And Jacob Rodriguez, the guys are gamers, 282 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:35,519 David Bailey. 283 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:35,879 Speaker 5: They don't care. 284 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:37,639 Speaker 4: They want a Big twelve championship. They're not going to 285 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,360 lose out of pity. But on one side of the 286 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,120 football field this Saturday, it is do or die. It 287 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,600 is a playoff game. BYU must win. This is their 288 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,000 first playoff game to get into the bracket. For Texas Tech, 289 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,799 the worst that happens. 290 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 5: If they lose is they get to host a home. 291 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,519 Speaker 4: Game in a college football playoff. As much as BYU 292 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,720 has to play for Texas Tech does not necessarily. Now again, 293 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:08,559 these are gamers. I'm not saying Texas Tech is going 294 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,720 to play a bad football game on purpose or give 295 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,919 a charity to BYU. I think they're gonna fight as 296 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:15,960 hard as they fought all year. They want their first 297 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,799 Big twelve championship game win ever, they certainly do. But 298 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:23,960 for BYU, this is to keep the season alive, to 299 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,759 keep a shot at the national championship alive. When that 300 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,519 when that is, there's no more. Hey, Aaron Rodrick, let's 301 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,080 run as many draw plays as possible. Let's let's go, Hey, what. 302 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:33,799 Speaker 5: About speed option? 303 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: But no, this is the kitchen sink is out there, 304 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,759 and it either leads to the BYU turning them all 305 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:41,039 over five times and losing by forty five, or the 306 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Cougar's pulling off a win. I said them on show 307 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,840 this week. This is not Boise State beating Oklahoma. It's 308 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,559 not that aggressive of a format for UYU to win 309 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,840 this game. But at some level, BYU have to treat. 310 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:52,039 Speaker 5: It like that. 311 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 4: You have to treat it as we're gonna run the 312 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,480 hooking ladders. We're going to run the plays they haven't 313 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,759 seen before. It all boils down to this, Aaron Rodrick, 314 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,639 to get a little fancier than usual because it didn't work, 315 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,960 just trying to run the ball at the middle in 316 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,200 game one. And for j Hill, you punished Texas Tech, 317 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,639 especially in the red zone. Ben, don't break force them 318 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:11,879 into five field goals. And look, Ben, I think if 319 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:14,879 Texas Tech takes five field goals in this game, BYU 320 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,840 is the winner, and Tech had five field goals in 321 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,399 that first game. It's the red zone defensive Yu. It 322 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,399 was so good. I still have confidence in them. J 323 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,440 Hill is he was perfect last time against the Red Raiders. 324 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:28,279 Here's where Aaron Roderick has to step up to laanstake, 325 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,039 staying the pomp, the circumstance, the storylines. 326 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 5: BYU wins this game. 327 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,159 Speaker 3: Drake Toll here on ESPN. 328 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,639 Speaker 2: BYU's healthier than they've ever been, it seems this season, 329 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,080 at least to start this season, they're going back to 330 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,120 maybe where they were at the start of the season. 331 00:15:44,559 --> 00:15:48,080 How healthy is Texas Tech right now leading up to 332 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,559 the Big twelve Championship game? Is there any competitive advantages there? 333 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 334 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:56,039 Speaker 4: I really have no worries about the depth chart either 335 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,480 or these teams and their health status. You know, obviously 336 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,159 Texas Tech lost when it's best lineman in the middle 337 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,679 of the campaign and never really skipped the beat, and 338 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,279 so I have no qualms with how these two teams 339 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,240 will line up based on the depth charts that they 340 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,879 reported to the Big Twelve this week. 341 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 5: You know, if Baron Morton. 342 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: Goes down, obviously it's much different. But for the sake 343 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:20,559 of the Big Twelve conference and also just being a good, 344 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:23,799 normal human being, I hope to goodness that Baron Morton 345 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:26,200 says healthy this entire game and gives the Big Twelve 346 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:29,000 chance to win a national championship come playoff time. That 347 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,679 that's really the only concerned injury wise, is just knowing 348 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:35,720 Baron Morton probably still isn't at one hundred percent, but 349 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:39,200 if he goes he's given a and in the stats 350 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,759 aren't necessarily comparable, and this is really just more of 351 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,399 a toughest category. Max Duggan, when he willed TCU that 352 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,360 college football playoff just beaten up the entire year. That's 353 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:53,000 what Baron Morton's done because he understands that a championship 354 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,159 at the highest level is on the line, a national championships. 355 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,799 I think Baron Morton's health is something to monitor. Outside 356 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:02,240 of that Texas Tech, I don't foresee a major gap 357 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,319 due to injury. Where BYU can overtake Texas Tech? 358 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: If BYU wins, where's their ranking? What's the fallout from this? 359 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,759 Does Texas Tech get bounced out of the top ten? 360 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: Give me your prognostications. 361 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if BYU wins. Here's what we learned. 362 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: About the College Football Playoff Committee this year and the 363 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,599 way that this election committee has worked. They like to 364 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,079 build in these safeguards. They like to build them like, oh, well, 365 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,160 you know Utah lost to BYUS, They're always going to 366 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,480 be a spot or two behind them. What's going to 367 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,319 happen is BYU is going to jump Texas Tech. This 368 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,720 is the same way we saw last season, a school 369 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,640 like Clemson, who had a much better resume and record 370 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,319 jump SMU after they beat them the ACC championship. He said, wow, 371 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,799 why would they have to drop that far? Well, it's 372 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:50,359 because the committee loves the head to head when they 373 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,079 happen late. 374 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 5: In the season. 375 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 4: You're seeing that with Oklahoma and Alabama right now as well, 376 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,599 even though Oklahoma's not playing great football. Watched a lot 377 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:59,759 of the LSU game. So what I think is going 378 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:02,880 to happen is the Committee is going to drop Texas Tech. 379 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,440 To eight. They'll move them from four to eight, propelling 380 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,400 BYU from eleven to seven. I think that's I do 381 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:13,799 not foresee BYU climbs to nine and Texas Tech drops 382 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:16,079 all the way to TEY can't drop. You cannot be 383 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,640 penalized six spots, six spots for losing a game we 384 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,400 didn't ask you to play. We can't move you behind 385 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,279 Oregon who did not play. 386 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,079 Speaker 5: By six spots. 387 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,319 Speaker 4: So that's where I foresee the big twelve looking at 388 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:30,799 the end of this, and that's the dream scenario BYU 389 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,039 and Tech both getting home games. But I foresee it 390 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,480 being Texas Tech at that seven spot BYU and the 391 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:38,759 eight hole flip that flip that BYU seven Texas Tech eight. 392 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:43,039 Speaker 3: Interesting, I like to take. I like where you're heading 393 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:43,319 with this. 394 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: As far as the teams, that is Notre Dame the 395 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,200 biggest qualm here. We've seen Brett Yormark, we've seen Joey McGuire, 396 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:57,480 we've seen others attack openly and blatantly. The Notre Dame 397 00:18:57,519 --> 00:18:59,839 fighting Irish right now, is that the team they have 398 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:01,480 to sue that's currently. 399 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,839 Speaker 3: In the top ten. 400 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 4: I think so, and then it should be you're asking 401 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,279 wholeheartedly what have you done for me lately to Notre 402 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,240 Dame and what they have done for you lately is 403 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:15,759 certainly win but against again, so that it is it's 404 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:17,599 a problem with how the whole thing is set up 405 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,640 that and again you're right, Joey McGuire's alluded to this 406 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,480 that Notre Dame can sit where they sit right now 407 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:26,960 and and just walk their way into the playoffs, like 408 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,400 they've played the bottom teams from the Power for and 409 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:36,960 they've played some really struggling, middling, you know, American Conference teams. 410 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,039 I just don't see how how the committee look ben 411 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:44,079 if they played if they played Texas A and M 412 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:46,240 in Miami the last two games of this season, and 413 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:48,000 they lost both of those they were tending to they'd 414 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,240 be out of the playoffs. And you say, of course 415 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,640 they'd be out of the playoff. Okay, Well then why 416 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:53,400 them losing the first two games at A and M 417 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,160 in Miami. Why why did they get into the playoff 418 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,400 when they lost the first They still lost those two games. 419 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,359 It shouldn't matter when the games are played, and unless 420 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,640 there's a massive injury, unless there's something that occurs, you say, okay, 421 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Notre Dame got so and so back, and they're way healthy, 422 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:09,480 they're way better. They're not They're the same team they 423 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,400 were where they lost to A and M. The same 424 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,559 team they were they lost in Miami. Miami is behind them. 425 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:16,000 I think DYU should squarely be above Notre Dame. 426 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 5: I get it, I get it. 427 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 4: The gold helmet means a lot more for the pockets. 428 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 5: But it's not right. 429 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:24,559 Speaker 4: It's not right. What's happening in college football? 430 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: Drake Tall, best way to support you? What you do, 431 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:30,240 how you do it for all of our listeners tuning 432 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:31,079 in today. 433 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, at Lockdown Big called at Lo Big twelve where 434 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,119 you find your podcast and on YouTube at DRAKEC. Toll 435 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,160 on Twitter and then December twenty ninth. Luckily it doesn't 436 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,319 interfere with your show. Ben six am nine am Eastern 437 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,960 on Westwood one and the Westwood one Sports app will 438 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,599 bring you a ton of BYU covered every morning wherever 439 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,079 you get your sports. 440 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: I love that. 441 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: So give me a breakdown of the new show, the 442 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,720 new foray into Westwood one affiliation. 443 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,759 Speaker 3: What do we got there? 444 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, Westwood one is moving to twenty four to seven 445 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,559 radio and they've established a network. 446 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 5: The first host that. 447 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: They've named the Westwood One time aside is yours truly. 448 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 5: So we're moving forward. 449 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: With Westwood One, which is in my mind. You know this, 450 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:17,720 this Oxford University of Sports just it's the super Bowl, 451 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119 It's the Final Four. So I have the opportunity now 452 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,000 to go six am to nine am Eastern. As I 453 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:24,559 said on the Westwood one app, I'm serious on a 454 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:28,480 ton of a station's FMAM across the country that we're 455 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,960 going to unveil and release here. 456 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 5: Soon, and then I'll get you to work. Jim Rome 457 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:33,000 will get you home. 458 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,519 Speaker 4: It's gonna be It's gonna be a blast, that's for sure. 459 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,599 Speaker 2: That's fantastic, great news. Congratulations, well deserved everys. The first 460 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:42,960 time I met you, the first time I interacted with you, 461 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:44,200 I said, this man has talent. 462 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,799 Speaker 3: This man has popped, this man has circumstances. 463 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: This man has pizazz, vigor and vim and a wordsmith 464 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,359 unlike any other. You were going places. I sensed it, 465 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,880 I knew it. Congratulations. 466 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,519 Speaker 3: This is only the beginning, my friend, right Ben, and 467 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:01,640 I couldn't have done it without you. 468 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 4: These reps are invaluable, and I've got to make so 469 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,279 many connections because of you, because of your show. Because 470 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:10,279 of BYU fans and and I love talking Big twelve football. 471 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:13,079 I can assure you for the first time in a 472 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,839 little bit, there's going to be a national show that 473 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,240 is that is handled through a lens of fairness, that 474 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:22,079 appreciates the likes of Big the Big twelve and BYU 475 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:23,359 love it. 476 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: My guy, Drake Tall, congratulations, will catch up again. Are 477 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,079 you getting away? Are you heading out uh to Arlington 478 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:30,680 or no? 479 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,839 Speaker 4: You know, Ben, people keep telling me I'm a saint. 480 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: He told me, he man, I've got a good dude, 481 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,480 he's a good person. 482 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:38,319 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you know, don't give me too many flowers. 483 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:41,680 But maybe they're right. I'm going to a wedding this weekend, Ben, 484 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:42,799 a wedding. 485 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: What do you will? Yes? Now, Drake, come on now. 486 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah they're both twenty Yeah they are BYU students. 487 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 5: No, it's joke, my guy. 488 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: Well, hey, enjoy the wedding. 489 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: Uh be merry and celebrate the the wedding, Sarah, celebrate 490 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,680 the marriage. It's what brings you together, brings us together today. 491 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,920 As they say in Princess Bride, Thanks so much, love 492 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,119 and appreciate you man, Thanks for hopping on, no. 493 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:13,599 Speaker 5: Doubt Vancouverer tales on me next. 494 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: Time see you, Let's go Drake toll locked on Big twelve. 495 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,519 That segment shout out to all of our sponsors, was 496 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:24,039 brought to you by Game Day Men's Health. 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