Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Welcome back again to Wheel Takes, a podcast
Speaker 1: about the Wheel of Time, a series of fantasy books
Speaker 1: written by Robert Jordan and completed by Brandon Sanderson. My
Speaker 1: name is Gus.
Speaker 2: I've read all of them, and I'm Ali, and I'm
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 1: Way exactly where I'm on book.
Speaker 2: Thirteen, thirteen thirteen, Chapter eight nine nine.
Speaker 1: This podcast only gets spoilers for what I've already read
Speaker 1: and again today. That's everything up to and including Towers
Speaker 1: of Midnight, chapter nine. We are coming to you today
Speaker 1: outside sitting in a green lawn looking at mountains. We're
Speaker 1: on the road, so we're recording on a cell phone today.
Speaker 1: Might do this one a little bit piecemeal, just because
Speaker 1: of the demands of time. But yeah, it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: day here where we're at, and I hope it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful day where you are. It felt very radio announcer,
Speaker 1: but he did, But I don't know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I'm really tranquil right now. Things are really pretty where
Speaker 1: we are. I'm sitting under aspen trees and anytime you're
Speaker 1: around ass But there's a tiny little, eaty bitty green
Speaker 1: bug crawling on my leg. Look at this, it's so small.
Speaker 1: It's so small, I'm gonna gently blow it off. Hold on,
Speaker 1: that didn't work. That didn't work. It might just live
Speaker 1: here now, Ali, we're here to talk about chapters eight
Speaker 1: and nine of Towers of Midnight. Who is the narrator
Speaker 1: of these Matt that is one match from Coffin. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in a bit, as I recall. How's
Speaker 1: he doing?
Speaker 3: He's all right, he's well, not all right because the
Speaker 3: Golamb has finally found him. Yeah, go, which I have
Speaker 3: been predicting. I feel like I predicted that on the freaking.
Speaker 1: What's it called inga sheet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you had it, and it's not there.
Speaker 1: That's shocking and hilarious.
Speaker 2: But I think that's because I predicted it last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've predicted it. I didnk every book for since
Speaker 1: book eight.
Speaker 2: That's so annoying because.
Speaker 1: The last time he had to deal with the Golamb
Speaker 1: was on the five Flights of Stairs building.
Speaker 3: I honestly forgot he existed the goal. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 3: been on ice for five books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't. Really, he wasn't eight. Actually he was
Speaker 1: an eight for like one second, yes, and then he
Speaker 1: wasn't in nine wasn't in ten, wasn't in eleven, wasn't
Speaker 1: in twelve, or if he was in any of those,
Speaker 1: it was just for a snippet. Yeah, but here we
Speaker 1: are at thirteen and it looks like he's back and forth.
Speaker 2: He is back and forth, and.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I mean he he got away.
Speaker 3: He did, which you know classic because we can't we
Speaker 3: have to, we have to have all the villains on
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 1: Well, the other question, how how would one kill him?
Speaker 1: He's kind of the question. He seems to be borderline on.
Speaker 2: It will be something we've got to figure out, or.
Speaker 1: Do we even call the Golama? He is more of an.
Speaker 3: It like what it left, which leads me to believe
Speaker 3: that it can be killed, right, because if not, then
Speaker 3: why not just continue on your assault? Well, so then
Speaker 3: now I'm like, oh, what were they doing at the
Speaker 3: time that it left?
Speaker 1: I suppose we also have to remember what was the
Speaker 1: other part of its directive?
Speaker 3: The other part of its directive was kill everybody, kind
Speaker 3: of like associated with Matt as well.
Speaker 1: What was the other part of its directive? I don't
Speaker 1: remember a void being noticed, if possible.
Speaker 3: Well, he was definitely noticed, So that was kind of a.
Speaker 3: He definitely was noticed by several people.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that when when we reached that.
Speaker 2: Second we lost a few guys.
Speaker 1: That we lost at least one guy we've known for
Speaker 1: quite a long time. I uh get into that, and.
Speaker 2: I forget his name, the servant guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Lopen.
Speaker 3: I was actually quite said about it, surprisingly considering I
Speaker 3: couldn't remember his name.
Speaker 2: I was actually said.
Speaker 1: Open, Yeah, yeah, no, that was well because there was
Speaker 1: the whole sad thing with Nalisian in Crown of Swords
Speaker 1: also got killed in the fight with the golamb as
Speaker 1: I recall, right, and Lopen was really sad about that.
Speaker 1: I know, and now he has a similar fate. It's
Speaker 1: not the same fate. But we'll get into that a
Speaker 1: minute before we do all that, though, Alle, do you
Speaker 1: have any notes for about chapter eight? First, it took
Speaker 1: some notes.
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of forgot about notes part way through,
Speaker 2: just like Robert Jordan.
Speaker 3: Only took seven to ten business months to attack as if.
Speaker 1: Leads chapter nine. What you're looking at chapter nine? Going
Speaker 1: back to chapter eight, Oh yeah, my bad, because the
Speaker 1: golomb doesn't really show up until chapter nine. We have
Speaker 1: a whole chapter before we get there, which is why
Speaker 1: I wanted to do two chapters, because I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we could do just the lead up chapter, or.
Speaker 3: Well then I only really have like two things for
Speaker 3: chapter one. That's okay, But I said go lam alert
Speaker 3: with many exclamation points, and then I said Tom threw
Speaker 3: a knife at him through true friendship. Oh yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: because some people might have been like, wow, that looks
Speaker 3: like it sucks, and like run away.
Speaker 2: They are talking about Genji. Oh please, oh please, oh please?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, because they were just talking about oh
Speaker 3: yeah whatever, we are making plans.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are to go to Genji. I said, call
Speaker 2: the travel agent. We're going to Genji.
Speaker 3: And I said, Varren will not come back, bro unless
Speaker 3: she's Jesus, which we already have that.
Speaker 2: We don't have that, so I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be her.
Speaker 3: And then I put in all caps yippie, we're going
Speaker 3: bell kicks and joy.
Speaker 2: And then I said, oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 1: So chapter eighth to seventh stripe last, this is the
Speaker 1: chapter logo?
Speaker 2: Is it? It is a dice? But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Can I rant about one thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 3: So I was all excited this chapter because finally like, yes,
Speaker 3: Genji time, it is time for the genj Let's go.
Speaker 2: Tower, Let's go.
Speaker 3: Matt probably losing an eye, let's go like all of
Speaker 3: my bingo slots, let's go.
Speaker 2: And then the Golom's like, all right.
Speaker 3: You know what, this is the time, not all those
Speaker 3: not all those books where like nothing was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no offense.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like this black tun really it is.
Speaker 1: We could have.
Speaker 3: Attacked at any point during that It didn't do that
Speaker 3: big stretch of time since Chailand, like Thailand died when
Speaker 3: book eight. Okay, so books eight through twelve we had
Speaker 3: or thirteen, now right, we had Matt in a will
Speaker 3: they won't they?
Speaker 2: With the Empress of Evil?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and which I I'm like, all due respect, Matt
Speaker 3: has the worst women in these books.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He goes directly from from.
Speaker 2: Sexual Assailant McGee Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was literally gonna say mcgie too, Yeah, sexual Assailant McGhee.
Speaker 1: No offense there, I know, some lovely mcgeese.
Speaker 3: I personally want to quarrel with the mcgise, you know,
Speaker 3: you know one I know, yeah, but so you know,
Speaker 3: I feel I feel that that we could have in
Speaker 3: the time since Thailand and so in you know, eighty
Speaker 3: thousand books since then have had any point in which
Speaker 3: we could have attacked. But no, no, we have to
Speaker 3: do it right before Ali's hopes and dreams come true. Which,
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't want to complain.
Speaker 1: We're still getting it go.
Speaker 3: I'm still pleased, I'm still well. Pleased is probably the
Speaker 3: wrong word.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It was still.
Speaker 1: Very like an Alley Champ face a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because I was like, finally we've got him,
Speaker 3: we're cooking again.
Speaker 2: We're back. We're so back, baby. But then also I
Speaker 2: was like, but we were, we were about to go.
Speaker 2: We were about to do the thing I've been waiting
Speaker 2: for for also many books.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I guess there's fewer books because I'm worried
Speaker 3: that this is going to become the Here's what I'm
Speaker 3: really worried about. I'm really worried about my bingo because because,
Speaker 3: because because if this becomes Quest to Kill Golam, that
Speaker 3: that throws off my timeline for when Moraine gets saved
Speaker 3: pretty significantly.
Speaker 1: Matt already has a time constraint, though, do you remember
Speaker 1: his time constraint.
Speaker 2: To save Moraine?
Speaker 1: No, he has a reason he can't do it. Yet
Speaker 1: why And it's something that actually comes up immediately. I
Speaker 1: forget the beginning of the chapter. Matt sat on a
Speaker 1: warm stool, his arms leaning against a dark wooden bar
Speaker 1: counter at a letter from Matt flipped a folded letter
Speaker 1: between two fingers of his right hand. That letter, on
Speaker 1: thick paper, was sealed with a glove of blood red wax.
Speaker 1: He'd been carrying it only a short time, but it
Speaker 1: was already a source of as much aggravation to him
Speaker 1: as any woman. Well maybe not nice, sense, I'm still sealed. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you remember the stipulation?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I forget that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I forgot about this letter. Barony gave him this
Speaker 1: letter right before she went to Iguain, and she said,
Speaker 1: you have to promise me that if you open it,
Speaker 1: you will do what it says. And he said, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna no, and she goes, okay, fine, you don't
Speaker 1: have to open it. But if you don't open it,
Speaker 1: wait thirty days and then you can leave Caitlin. What
Speaker 1: this was I believe in exchange for agreeing to gateway
Speaker 1: him to Caitlin.
Speaker 2: And so she's like, okay.
Speaker 1: She said, okay, I will do this for you, but
Speaker 1: you have to do what it says in this letter
Speaker 1: after I leave.
Speaker 2: And he goes, how can she guarantee that that's going out?
Speaker 1: Then? Because she made him swear an oath on it.
Speaker 3: So we've got basically Pandora's box the letter, yeah, with
Speaker 3: basically the book's equivalent of Pandora, so that he's not
Speaker 3: gonna last thirty days about opening that thing.
Speaker 1: Well, if he opens it, he has to do what
Speaker 1: it says.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: But like we're talking about Matt Coffin in here, like
Speaker 3: knifey boy, he can't. I know, my ADHD King, we
Speaker 3: cannot resist a button that we can't.
Speaker 1: This is the same thing Arren. Varren said the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: she said, I'm gonna give this to Matt. He's gonna
Speaker 1: open it. He's gone, he's gonna Yeah.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
Speaker 1: It is pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: Because I would have lasted about thirty seconds, got a
Speaker 3: day if that I would have. Yeah, because the curiosity, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the curiosity that just like eats me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to open it.
Speaker 1: Burn Varren for doing this to him. She held him
Speaker 1: by his oath like a fish caught on a hook.
Speaker 2: Sahdking. He can't resist it.
Speaker 1: I like that the name he has come up with,
Speaker 1: the nickname, the hiding name, is very close to his
Speaker 1: actual name. What is it. It's not Master Coffin, it's
Speaker 1: Master Crimson.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's my thinking about this one. Everybody in the
Speaker 3: books comes up with the worst secret identities possible. However,
Speaker 3: there is also a genius in it because if you
Speaker 3: have it close enough to your name then like it,
Speaker 3: then you will probably react to the name. Because if
Speaker 3: somebody goes like mister Jones and I'm not turning out, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not turning around, but if it's like Bus instead
Speaker 3: of Gus like, you would turn around, probably because of
Speaker 3: just the sound.
Speaker 1: There's a whole Simpsons episode where they give he has
Speaker 1: to go in to witness protection. I don't remember the
Speaker 1: name they give him, but it's a whole long scene
Speaker 1: where they're trying to get him to respond to the
Speaker 1: name and telling him, no, no, that's you, and he Homer
Speaker 1: keeps it's very funny. I'll see if I can find
Speaker 1: the clip, but.
Speaker 2: It's super tough. Yeah, that would be hard for me having.
Speaker 1: A I think it's hello, mister Johnson. No, it'd be tough.
Speaker 1: It'd be tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, while while it's close in a way
Speaker 3: where you're like, okay, you're also kind of like yeah.
Speaker 3: But he would respond if someone called him that probably
Speaker 3: or like have a better chance of responding, And they
Speaker 3: do say, like with a lie, having a livey as
Speaker 3: close to the truth as possible is always the move.
Speaker 1: Matt's at a bar, he's drinking with innkeeper Melly crab
Speaker 1: Crabe and creating there's what is the other silly goofy
Speaker 1: kinda Robert jordany character thing that is going on with Matt.
Speaker 1: People will say it's Brandon exclusive whatever. Throughout this whole section,
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I can't remember. He keeps on things about
Speaker 1: how attractive women are and then going, you know, for Tom,
Speaker 1: you know, for Tallmani's because I'm married. Here you go,
Speaker 1: hold on.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts about this.
Speaker 1: Matt would have given her his best smile. There was
Speaker 1: not a woman he'd met who did not melt for
Speaker 1: his best smile. But he was a married man now.
Speaker 1: He could not go breaking hearts. It would not be right. Though,
Speaker 1: leaning as she did showed some ample bosom. She was
Speaker 1: a short woman, but she kept the area behind the
Speaker 1: bar raised. Yes, nice bosom. Indeed, he figured she'd be
Speaker 1: good for a bit of kissing, perhaps tucked into one
Speaker 1: of the booths at the back of the tavern. Of course,
Speaker 1: Matt did not look at women anymore, not like that.
Speaker 1: He did not think about her for him to kiss.
Speaker 1: Maybe for Tallmanni's he was so stiff. A good kiss
Speaker 1: and cuddle will do him good. I mean.
Speaker 3: One, I don't think this is Brandon Sanderson exclusive because
Speaker 3: I believe that in a Robert Jordan book he put
Speaker 3: a coin on a woman's boobs.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm talking about the I'm not looking at women.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about women for other Well, he frequently would
Speaker 1: do stuff like put coins in women's boobs.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like.
Speaker 3: When you're married, you don't necessarily stop noticing that people
Speaker 3: are attractive.
Speaker 1: Right, you don't. You don't necessarily go blind.
Speaker 2: No, you're married, you're not dead. But like, I feel like.
Speaker 3: The way that you think about it hopefully changes the
Speaker 3: like calculating making out with them. Yeah, like that that
Speaker 3: part is the part that I'm like hung up on.
Speaker 3: Is I'm like the plotting of like getting them alone
Speaker 3: and stuff is like, ye, I think.
Speaker 1: He's plotting anything. He's like, you know, it'd be fun
Speaker 1: to he's fantasizing. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: huge different I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's this thing of like you notice and
Speaker 2: then you're like shut that down though like you.
Speaker 3: Don't like like don't don't don't don't feed.
Speaker 1: Its like not what he's doing.
Speaker 2: You don't feed it.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's feeding it.
Speaker 2: But but but like but like but like the pivot,
Speaker 2: the pivot happens a little late.
Speaker 3: Sure, do you know what full paragraph?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm not here to be the thought police for anyone
Speaker 3: in particular. I'm just like, I think that a lot
Speaker 3: of the time we get into trouble as a society,
Speaker 3: as a specie when.
Speaker 2: We feed thoughts too long.
Speaker 3: When you go down a path for too long, you
Speaker 3: start to it starts to become.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I'm struggling with how to
Speaker 2: kind of like talk about this. I guess I guess
Speaker 2: you kind of go like, oh, that person's attractive anyway.
Speaker 3: Like that's kind of like I feel like when you're
Speaker 3: in a monogamous married relationship, that's like about as much
Speaker 3: noticing as I feel like, yeah, yeah, I get that appropriate,
Speaker 3: Like because once you get to the fantasy fantasizing stage,
Speaker 3: I'm like that once you start allowing that train of
Speaker 3: thought to go, because we have control over our thoughts
Speaker 3: to a certain like you do have the ability to go,
Speaker 3: I'm going to pivot away from that because I'm starting
Speaker 3: to go down a path of like planning on how
Speaker 3: to cheat on my wife.
Speaker 1: Right, that is a different thing, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Where it's like, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Do also think it's important to mention with the mat situation.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a choice in the getting married thing.
Speaker 1: I think that that. I don't think that colors this
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, he thinks he does.
Speaker 3: Well, he thinks well, he thinks a lot of things
Speaker 3: that I just found mentally disagree with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think he I'm not saying it's cool
Speaker 1: to cheat on people and arrangement, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I feel like there's more. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of nuance to unpack here, which is why I'm like.
Speaker 1: There's a lot we could spend talking about here. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the most important thing in the chapter.
Speaker 3: Forced into this in a way, Yeah, where like it's
Speaker 3: not his choice as overtly as like say Land and
Speaker 3: nine Eve, where I'm like, you make a solemn vow
Speaker 3: to somebody that you love deeply that you will not,
Speaker 3: you know, betray them fundamentally so that you know you
Speaker 3: can relax in your life with at least one person
Speaker 3: right without fear that that person is going to rip
Speaker 3: the rug out from under you utterly, even though it's
Speaker 3: still a possibility. You're like, I'm taking a gamble on
Speaker 3: you that you're not going to fuck me up so
Speaker 3: much that I have to have therapy for a thousand yees. Yeah, So,
Speaker 3: like you know, you have to kind of be very
Speaker 3: thoughtful about the person that you pick, because it's like,
Speaker 3: just because they're fun to hang out with does not
Speaker 3: make them lifelong.
Speaker 1: Material and their material necessarily.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I know plenty of people who are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like the dating stage was great, and then you get
Speaker 3: married and have kids, and all of a sudden, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: the person I married is the person I married, Like
Speaker 3: they were really fun and they don't want to stop
Speaker 3: having fun long enough to like help me with the kids,
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. But like you know, you
Speaker 3: hopefully enter into a marriage with your eyes wide open
Speaker 3: about who a person is, which is why it's always
Speaker 3: shocking to me when people are like, I've known this
Speaker 3: person and maybe this is just me because we knew each.
Speaker 1: Other forever and every.
Speaker 3: Ten years before we got married, and we're together for
Speaker 3: eight years, so by then I felt like I knew
Speaker 3: you pretty fucking well, pretty well. When people are like,
Speaker 3: I married him and we knew each other six months.
Speaker 1: It's surprising that I wouldn't say surprising, but I go,
Speaker 1: that's and you got a lot to learn, probably, and
Speaker 1: I don't many people have this happen works out perfectly, fine,
Speaker 1: this can work. And my dear friend's parents met and
Speaker 1: got engaged in like a month.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe I'm just somebody, maybe because I'm
Speaker 3: a child of divorce and so I've seen firsthand how
Speaker 3: these things can go, and my parents have been married
Speaker 3: each more than once.
Speaker 2: I feel like I find that decision.
Speaker 3: To be wild just for me personally, because I'm like,
Speaker 3: you are trusting someone with your mental health, your physical health,
Speaker 3: your future, your heart, your life, like you know, because
Speaker 3: I mean statistically, also, your spouse is the most likely yestic.
Speaker 1: Like I think we've wanted a little far.
Speaker 3: But I'm just no because because it's all related, because
Speaker 3: I think he was kind of ill prepared for and
Speaker 3: like I don't think they've known each other, know each other,
Speaker 3: barely know each other.
Speaker 2: I think he's very young. Also, what is each one?
Speaker 1: They're about twenty two now.
Speaker 3: To me, they have the makings of a Mulligan marriage,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like golf, a Mulligan is
Speaker 3: like a false start.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah. And I think the other thing is
Speaker 1: he didn't really get to he didn't have a choice
Speaker 1: in this, and he's had no time to adjust.
Speaker 2: I just feel like.
Speaker 3: Matt has had like no agency in any of his
Speaker 3: relationships with what that Yes, he correct and that is
Speaker 3: troubling to me because I feel like nothing has been
Speaker 3: his choice.
Speaker 1: There are people who say that's his come upance for
Speaker 1: slapping barmaid's butts and stuff. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we we want to go the
Speaker 2: justice or sexual assaults, sexual assault, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I for I makes the whole world blind, right,
Speaker 3: Like I don't necessarily like this idea of like oh,
Speaker 3: vigilante justice is like, yeah, I mean, I get that
Speaker 3: karma is a thing, and you know, we we've talked
Speaker 3: about this, I think a bit on the podcast about
Speaker 3: the nature of that. But I think karma is more
Speaker 3: like you having to live with who you are right right, right,
Speaker 3: and also like if you do a bad thing, you
Speaker 3: then are perpetuating. Okay, I get to live in a
Speaker 3: world where these bad things happen, you know.
Speaker 2: But but but but so.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of nuance to unpack here
Speaker 3: about his checking people out because I think he's very young,
Speaker 3: in my mind, young too young to be married and
Speaker 3: just don't mean to put that on people.
Speaker 1: He just got married by accident to a woman who
Speaker 1: is the head of a slaving empire. Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: had very little time to just I don't.
Speaker 2: Think she's morally a very good person.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I agree with this. I
Speaker 1: also find this whole thing really funny. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: rewriting his thought process on the fly, and I think
Speaker 1: it's very funny.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I think, I mean, I think that's
Speaker 3: what you should do. But I think him rewriting him
Speaker 3: catching the thoughts is very laid on which I find like,
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there going I know.
Speaker 1: But it's Matt, And Matt has never been self aware of.
Speaker 2: Any capacity like skipping down the road of cheating.
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think he's got it.
Speaker 3: No, because well I would be afraid for my life
Speaker 3: if I cheated on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So all this going on Melly crabe, he's like,
Speaker 1: she grabs letters. She goes, well, I could open it,
Speaker 1: and I could, I could tell you what's in it.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, no, no, that's the same thing. And
Speaker 1: then she starts like peeling off the ceiling like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: give me the fucking letter. Mellie, stop it.
Speaker 2: That's wildly mail fraud.
Speaker 1: You never did tell me who it was from. Mellie said,
Speaker 1: she's a lover, isn't she got you tied up in
Speaker 1: her strings. Matt is like, I mean no, but also
Speaker 1: yes no to the first part, yes, the second part.
Speaker 2: This line of questioning is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. And then anyway, eventually, eventually he gets out
Speaker 1: of this situation and he's at a bar, he's drinking. Well.
Speaker 3: Also she's like openly hitting on him, and not one
Speaker 3: point does he go, I'm married so.
Speaker 1: Is she she's she's doing she's doing customer service married,
Speaker 1: the customer service flirting, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, she's openly hitting on him. And I
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, you know, it's a thing where
Speaker 3: like you start to notice the vibe and you just
Speaker 3: immediately figure out how to drop into the conversation that
Speaker 3: you have a spouse in a casual way.
Speaker 1: It's like my.
Speaker 3: Husband always says, yeah, you know, Ladi Dad. I feel like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's just very young, and I just
Speaker 3: don't think that he is, that he is as into
Speaker 3: her as he thinks he is.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, hold on, I'm sorry, because later the bouncer
Speaker 1: Berg eyed him. Berg had a face ugly enough to
Speaker 1: make his own mother wins the shoulder. Thumber did not
Speaker 1: like Matt, and from the way Berg looked at Melly,
Speaker 1: that was probably because he figured Matt was trying to
Speaker 1: make eyes at his woman. Never mind that Matt had
Speaker 1: explained he was married and did not do that sort
Speaker 1: of thing any longer. Some men would be jealous no
Speaker 1: matter what they were told. Well, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: very silly. I mean, like I think that this is
Speaker 1: none of this is meant to be.
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with getting seriously seriously, but I just
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I always I always feel like.
Speaker 3: Men having a wandering eyes A lot of the time
Speaker 3: viewed is like funny. I just am really interested to
Speaker 3: think about what, uh what a woman character who has
Speaker 3: just gotten married, who is thinking these kinds.
Speaker 2: Of how she would be received.
Speaker 3: By the general public. I don't think it would be
Speaker 3: as as as like something funny. I don't think people
Speaker 3: would find that funny. I think it's interesting, Like there's
Speaker 3: just a double standard.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna take an ad break and then
Speaker 1: we'll be right back, welcome back. Uh so, yeah, Matt's
Speaker 1: at the bar. He's wearing a lace coat with just
Speaker 1: a little his his fashion sense is evolving. Reminder, what
Speaker 1: else is going on that is concerning about Matt and parent.
Speaker 2: They can see each other when they think about.
Speaker 1: Each other, not that somebody has circulated pictures of them
Speaker 1: to all the Dark Friends, which in hindsight, is where
Speaker 1: Varren got the picture oh of him?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that? Oh sure she was a dark friend? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah she said I got this from Dark Friends,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, yeah you did, because you're on.
Speaker 2: Uh now where did they get the picture?
Speaker 1: There was several books ago. The Forsaken were like, let's
Speaker 1: fuck these guys up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, where did they get the picture?
Speaker 1: It's a sketch.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm assuming it's a sketch, But like, did
Speaker 3: they describe the sketch to the person or did the
Speaker 3: Because it's not like Matt and parent sat for the sketchy.
Speaker 1: This has been enough people have seen them.
Speaker 2: I think where they just had somebody describe them like
Speaker 2: a police sketch guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. He makes eyes the serving girl and thinks
Speaker 1: about how she would be good for Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should not be making eyes.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was a married man, could not afford to charm her,
Speaker 1: but he could keep an eye out for his friends.
Speaker 1: Tom might like her.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean that is the fun of being married.
Speaker 3: Is you start like thinking, oh, this person's great, Like
Speaker 3: I know somebody who would be great with them.
Speaker 2: That is fun.
Speaker 3: The match making is fun.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, making.
Speaker 1: Eyes, he grins at her. I look, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: but I think that for the most part, his behavior
Speaker 1: is I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: We can't always control our thoughts. We can't control our
Speaker 2: response to our thoughts.
Speaker 3: I just no, I know, yeah, I'm just like, it
Speaker 3: could be a dangerous path.
Speaker 1: I agree. Matt leaves his but he goes to another
Speaker 1: bar called the dead Man's Breath. He's dicing with, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of stuff. It's kind of
Speaker 1: He gets some news from these people, which is about
Speaker 1: what that you that you started talking about. Immediately go
Speaker 1: on go on, very exciting. With his throat ripped out
Speaker 1: without blood, Matt is like, beg your fucking pardon. He leaves,
Speaker 1: He runs out, bloodless corpse always good, uh runs always.
Speaker 2: The work is something very normal.
Speaker 1: And the forsaken hunting him. A picture of his face
Speaker 1: in the pocket of every footpad in the city, and
Speaker 1: a corpse killed and drained of its blood. That could
Speaker 1: only mean one thing. The Golam was in Kamlin. It
Speaker 1: seemed impossible that it could have gotten here this quickly.
Speaker 2: Copies.
Speaker 1: I think they just like a scribe, sit down and
Speaker 1: copy one hundred over and.
Speaker 2: Over and over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well no, they have a printing press.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they don't have like their faces printing pressed.
Speaker 3: Like I thought about the printing press thing. Believe me,
Speaker 3: I thought about.
Speaker 1: It, but I made a m yeah, okay, because they
Speaker 1: do have that's that's that's one of the things about
Speaker 1: the industrial revolution, or rather the breaking they kept the
Speaker 1: printing press.
Speaker 3: Are they just kidnapped a bunch of amateur described maybe
Speaker 3: kidnapped like half of vent And we're like, all right, Scribe.
Speaker 1: He's stressed out. He's he hasn't talked to Elaine yet.
Speaker 1: He's tried to talk to Elaine, but Elaine won't talk
Speaker 1: to him, and he's like, wow, how ungrateful? Uh?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: He had sent word to her but had not gotten
Speaker 1: a reply. How was that for gratitude? By his count,
Speaker 1: He'd saved her life twice once should have been enough
Speaker 1: to reduce her to tears and kisses. But he had
Speaker 1: not even seen a peck on the cheek, not that
Speaker 1: he wanted one, not from royalty bes to avoid them.
Speaker 1: You're married to a bloody high lady of a shan chance,
Speaker 1: he thought, daughter of the Empress herself. There was no
Speaker 1: avoiding royalty. Oh blah blah bah blah, bah blah blahlahlah.
Speaker 2: Well, I know she's probably the Empress.
Speaker 1: So well we know that she has declared herself at
Speaker 1: this point right, the chapter called the Death of tuon.
Speaker 1: Remember you were so excited.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh what else is he trying to get done while
Speaker 1: in uh Camlin by the way, it involves Bell Founders
Speaker 1: and iron works.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's trying to get cannons, man.
Speaker 1: Get the dragons made. Oh, an ambulance going by. He's
Speaker 1: just chilling, gambling, and he's like, I'm supposed to be
Speaker 1: fucking around. I don't want to deal with this. I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to just sit here for thirty days fucking around.
Speaker 1: I want to do this.
Speaker 2: I'm on vak.
Speaker 1: He he gets, oh god, this part, he gets this
Speaker 1: whole stressful like trauma response thing about how he left
Speaker 1: Thailand tied up under the bed and the goal alomb
Speaker 1: tore her head off, and he feels bad about it.
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, you couldn't have seen that coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I get it trauma responses or
Speaker 3: trauma responses.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, anyway, Okay, So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: him thinking and a lot of recap. He goes to
Speaker 1: the inn where Thom is performing as tailand sucks, silent,
Speaker 1: fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: I don't think she deserved well.
Speaker 1: To literally get her head torn off.
Speaker 2: I don't know if a nuanced. He goes, I want
Speaker 2: to be like sexual desert.
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't want to be out here defending sexual assam.
Speaker 3: But I'm also like again justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole topic anyway. I don't need to
Speaker 1: go through every piece of this. He goes to the
Speaker 1: end where Tom's performing. What happens you pointed out in
Speaker 1: your notes.
Speaker 2: Uh. Tom throws a knife at Tom.
Speaker 1: Hanks a knife at him because what.
Speaker 2: Because uh, Matt annoyed him?
Speaker 1: No fuck. He goes down to the stage and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, time to go. He starts scooping up the coins. Oh,
Speaker 1: and Matt. Tom hawks a knife at him and pins
Speaker 1: his sleeve to the table, and Matt is like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? This is a nice coat. You're such a
Speaker 1: dick Tom, and Tom goes, be glad I did not
Speaker 1: aim for the hand. I almost wish you would have,
Speaker 1: Matt said, blood would not have shown that much on
Speaker 1: the black, but the stitching will be obvious. Just because
Speaker 1: you wear more patches than cloak doesn't mean I want
Speaker 1: to imitate you. And you complain you're not a lord.
Speaker 1: I'm not. And never mind what Tuan said, burn you,
Speaker 1: I'm no bloody nobleman. Ever heard of a farmer complaining
Speaker 1: that his coat stitches would show you don't have to
Speaker 1: be a lord to want to dress with some sense.
Speaker 2: I feel as though Matt has gotten used to the finer.
Speaker 1: Thing he really has. Matt and nine Eve's journey from
Speaker 1: who they were at the beginning of the books to
Speaker 1: people who like nice clothing is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: little subtle things to catch on the reread.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, nice clothing is nice, nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: loving fashion.
Speaker 1: Tells them about the Golam and Tom's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you could open the letter, and Matt is like I
Speaker 1: could also not open the letter and we could just
Speaker 1: wait it out. So they go back to camp.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna but is this gonna be What if.
Speaker 1: The letter says stay in Camelin for a year, right?
Speaker 1: What if the letter says, you know, go to Tarvalen
Speaker 1: and tell so and so because you know what if
Speaker 1: the letter says take the band of the Red Hand
Speaker 1: and sail across the sea.
Speaker 2: If the letters, I mean, I'm assuming the letter says
Speaker 2: go save mo Rain.
Speaker 1: You domass there already know to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but He's like heaven and hunt about it? Well,
Speaker 3: okay yo, because what does a side quest? Could there be?
Speaker 3: What other thing does Matt need to do?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: The other question, why does she say, okay, then if
Speaker 1: you don't open it, just stay in case.
Speaker 3: What if it's that she knows where I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe she knows where Damon Dread is or maybe she knows.
Speaker 2: But why would she wait? Why would she give Matt
Speaker 2: that information?
Speaker 1: Mats Scott a private army.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a way to get into Genji.
Speaker 1: Matt's got a private army. None of the other people
Speaker 1: have a private army.
Speaker 2: Paren kind of does what would we need to well, Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: let's sit with this.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying if you're thinking about it being like
Speaker 1: a forsaken or a military threat, then that would be
Speaker 1: the reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm just thinking because Okay, so Barren,
Speaker 3: before she died, right, compile the list of whoeveryone who.
Speaker 2: Like everyone like her whole thing was like.
Speaker 3: Tracking all of the dark friends Black Goud just specifically
Speaker 3: in the White Tower, figuring out who they are. So
Speaker 3: it's got to have something to do. I think probably
Speaker 3: with her work, right, it would make sense because because
Speaker 3: like just thinking about it from an authorial perspective, right,
Speaker 3: we're wanting to create threads in advance of like what
Speaker 3: I didn't really even linger on this very long while
Speaker 3: I was reading, but now I'm now I'm realizing.
Speaker 2: I should have.
Speaker 3: So we want that letter reveal because we've talked about
Speaker 3: it a bunch and like it's of course, we love
Speaker 3: a mystery and we want that letter opened. And that
Speaker 3: letter's going to be opened no matter what, and he's
Speaker 3: gonna open it at a climactic moment that we wanted
Speaker 3: to happen at.
Speaker 2: Varren's whole thing.
Speaker 3: Was like subterfuge figuring out who and where everyone was. Right,
Speaker 3: So that's why I kind of went with, like, maybe
Speaker 3: she knows where Damon Dread is. That could work, It
Speaker 3: could make She would tell Matt that information though, is interesting, right.
Speaker 1: Well, and why not just come right out and say it.
Speaker 2: We know in the right exactly, It's like, why leave
Speaker 2: it in a letter and leave it up to chance, a.
Speaker 1: Letter which realistically she's expecting will be opened after her death.
Speaker 2: Right did everyone have any extra abilities? Really? Like there
Speaker 2: wasn't any, Like.
Speaker 1: Sorry, by the way, if there's wind.
Speaker 2: But she was very into prophecy right in the first
Speaker 2: couple of books. Yeah, she had. She had like a
Speaker 2: lot of interest in prophecy.
Speaker 3: She like at a certain point like translate like translated,
Speaker 3: or like kind of dark.
Speaker 1: Prophecy bloodlod Bloo Bloodloo blood.
Speaker 3: The first time I saw her, like why leave things
Speaker 3: up to chance? I guess with maybe, okay, and why
Speaker 3: Matt this is interesting? I said the words why leave
Speaker 3: things up to chance?
Speaker 1: And then I like thought about Matt and Matt right,
Speaker 1: his whole thing.
Speaker 3: Is, And so I'm like, Okay, maybe it has something
Speaker 3: to do with that, because she's leaving things up to
Speaker 3: chance with a person who were chances there like whole
Speaker 3: bag right, right, So and she would know that because
Speaker 3: she's really observant.
Speaker 2: She's really smart. She's a little smarter than people give
Speaker 2: her credit for.
Speaker 1: Oh I should also, by the way, just speaking of chance,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention the dice start uh rattling when
Speaker 1: he hears about the Golam.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, of course it would. I feel like he
Speaker 2: and the Golamb have like a longer.
Speaker 3: Well, this is interesting because it feels like he's got
Speaker 3: three plots right now, right, and so I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to kind of figure out how they're all going to
Speaker 3: connect and thread together, because like one is the Moraine
Speaker 3: save Moraine plot, right, which we're like, that's definitely going
Speaker 3: to be a thing I think time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense because it feels like and
Speaker 1: you've i mean.
Speaker 2: Next book is going to be like it's going to
Speaker 2: be too rushed.
Speaker 1: You've seen the cover this book.
Speaker 3: But then we've got the golam so and he's kind
Speaker 3: of got to have this like memory thing worked out
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So I'm like, I don't and
Speaker 3: I don't feel like the letter is going to be
Speaker 3: like go save Moraine because like that we already know
Speaker 3: they have that as like a thing he's got to.
Speaker 2: Go do so well.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I want to keep in mind here,
Speaker 1: why is the alternative to opening the letter stay in
Speaker 1: Camelin for a month?
Speaker 3: That's the other thing I was just about to get
Speaker 3: to is like why why does he need to stay
Speaker 3: in Camelin? So does it have to do with Elane?
Speaker 3: Is there something surrounding Elaine that is important? Who is
Speaker 3: near a lane Elaine or who else is in Camlin
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Just Elaine?
Speaker 1: Right, Elaine and her crew, and.
Speaker 2: She won't see him.
Speaker 1: She's not making she's not making it a priority.
Speaker 2: He can't get close to her to talk to her.
Speaker 2: Why is he there?
Speaker 1: Why is he there? Yeah, he was trying to get well.
Speaker 1: He was just marching back east. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: just happens to be they if Varren said, I'll gateway
Speaker 1: you to Camlin and then you can go wherever you want.
Speaker 3: Why did she So she wants him in Camelin seems
Speaker 3: like it. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, face the sorry.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry sorry, sorry, okay. So she wants him in
Speaker 3: Camlin for thirty days or whatever is in the letter.
Speaker 3: So whatever it is, it's got to have been like,
Speaker 3: I can't leave this because she's not going to leave
Speaker 3: something up to chance. If like, if it's important and
Speaker 3: it was important enough to visit him right before she died,
Speaker 3: take him to Camlin and then give him this letter.
Speaker 3: So she's got to think that if he stays in Camlin,
Speaker 3: either way it's a win, like either he like, because
Speaker 3: she's not going to leave it up to chance. So
Speaker 3: either he has to stay in Caitlin for thirty days
Speaker 3: or the letter gives him some instruction of what he
Speaker 3: needs to do in Camlin. So it's God has something
Speaker 3: to do with Caitlin.
Speaker 1: Seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: What what's going on with the Lane right now?
Speaker 1: She's pregnant, she said Stany Caylen for thirty days or
Speaker 1: until I get back, I.
Speaker 2: Believe, But she knows she's not coming back.
Speaker 1: She had a contingency where she might be able to
Speaker 1: unswear the dark Oaths, but didn't anticipate that happening.
Speaker 2: Right, So, so.
Speaker 1: Either he waits thirty days or she comes back being
Speaker 1: able to tell him to being able to betray to
Speaker 1: Hell the shadow, right is the only reason.
Speaker 3: With something that is happening in Camelin right now. So
Speaker 3: Elaine's pregnant. You know that with twins, we know that
Speaker 3: she can't necessarily have anything bad happen to her while
Speaker 3: she is.
Speaker 2: Can't die pregnant, well yeah, yeah, yeah, she could lose
Speaker 2: a finger.
Speaker 1: I guess she could be imprisoned and have all of
Speaker 1: her limbs cut off, But you can't die.
Speaker 2: She's not going to die while she's pregnant.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: How pregnant is she?
Speaker 1: Like? Four months?
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's not like she's gonna give birth in the.
Speaker 1: Next She's not super pregnant.
Speaker 5: Though, Okay, despite the fact that it's for her, right
Speaker 5: that guy who keeps like killing people that she sends
Speaker 5: to follow him, who's that guy?
Speaker 1: David Hanlin.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's kind of like the bulk of what's
Speaker 3: going on with her because she's won the throne at
Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, like she doesn't have anything really happening,
Speaker 3: so why does she need to And then what is
Speaker 3: with the Golamb?
Speaker 2: And the Golamb's.
Speaker 3: Instructions are to kill anyone who like is close to
Speaker 3: matt In any way, last we saw.
Speaker 1: David Hamlin, he's in jail, just just just to mention that.
Speaker 3: And he's building dragons while he's there, right, Okay, So
Speaker 3: it feels like he has a bunch of plot lines diverging,
Speaker 3: like con converging. Right now, He's got the Moraine thing,
Speaker 3: he's got the dragons, he's got the Golamb, and he's
Speaker 3: got whatever Varrein's letter is. What is the connecting thread
Speaker 3: between these things Elaine's pregnancy David Hanlin. That Elaine doesn't
Speaker 3: really have a lot going on, so it's got to
Speaker 3: have something to do with but it's got to have
Speaker 3: something to do with her.
Speaker 1: Then maybe why not give the letter to Elane.
Speaker 3: Could the Golamb? Could it be about him needing to
Speaker 3: stay there to figure out how to kill Golamb maybe
Speaker 3: because they could be a big problem. Or is it
Speaker 3: about the dragons?
Speaker 1: Well, as far as we know, there's only one Golamb.
Speaker 2: But why does it need to be a secret? Why?
Speaker 3: And like what is the timing issue? Like it's got
Speaker 3: to be something that is imminent in Camlin that she
Speaker 3: knows is coming that potentially has something to do with
Speaker 3: Elane where he can't leave Camlin until this happens.
Speaker 2: Oh God, this is gonna bug me.
Speaker 3: Why does he need to stay in Camlin for thirty days?
Speaker 3: Whatever's in the letter is basically going to tell him
Speaker 3: the same thing. Probably because she's smart, she's not gonna
Speaker 3: give this. It doesn't have to do with the dragons
Speaker 3: because he's building them anyway, so that's not something that
Speaker 3: she needs to worry about.
Speaker 2: Who are the do you want to chess pieces who
Speaker 2: are still on the table?
Speaker 1: Do you want to sit on this for a while
Speaker 1: and come back to it or do you want to
Speaker 1: continue pondering that.
Speaker 2: I feel like Varion's whole thing is secret identities.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that was her great work was exposing the
Speaker 1: Black Audiam. But if that's the case, why not put
Speaker 1: it in the book that she gave to.
Speaker 3: Agwaine Because it has something to do with Elaine and Matt. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's something she knows Elaine and Matt need to do.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's but it's got to have something to do
Speaker 3: with staying in Camlin for thirty days, because yeah, like
Speaker 3: she's like, it's she's going to give herself be in
Speaker 3: position to have a win either way. But she knows
Speaker 3: Matt Coffin and she knows he'll probably open the letter,
Speaker 3: but she's gonna get put herself in a position where
Speaker 3: worse comes to worse. She wins either way. So him
Speaker 3: staying Camelin is important, which implies that something potentially faded
Speaker 3: is going on in Camelin, something something that she knows
Speaker 3: is going to.
Speaker 2: Be needing his skills, his abilities. Is a battle coming?
Speaker 1: What battle would be coming?
Speaker 3: She Camelan specifically, that's a really good question, something where
Speaker 3: she's like, okay, we need Chance Boy and his army there.
Speaker 1: What battle could be coming?
Speaker 3: I mean we just finish off battling for succession, right,
Speaker 3: so I mean it could be a continuation.
Speaker 2: Of that where they try again.
Speaker 1: It could be doubt it.
Speaker 2: We know that the well, I mean there's a last battle.
Speaker 3: Sure, he wants to stay in Camelin for the last battle,
Speaker 3: but that's not gonna work because he has to leave
Speaker 3: to go to Genji. Sure, yeah, I mean unless there's
Speaker 3: a way to go to Genji.
Speaker 6: Well, where is Genji without leaving? Where is Genji is nearby?
Speaker 6: It's in western and or Okay, right, it's not crazy far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's promised her not to leave Camelin specifically, right.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to break that. I mean,
Speaker 3: he could break the promise, nothing's necessarily.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would, but I don't think he
Speaker 1: would would. So the whole beginning of this chapter is
Speaker 1: about him saying, I'm not going to break my word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's going to break his word.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess there could be a red
Speaker 2: door in Kann isn't Could they be?
Speaker 1: Uh? Doorways? Believe I will just tell you this, The
Speaker 1: doorways and Genji operate under different rules. Okay, just just
Speaker 1: I think this is relevant information. Going through the doorways
Speaker 1: is like entering a foyer. Going in through Genji is
Speaker 1: like breaking a window.
Speaker 3: And you'd want to do that because you don't want
Speaker 3: them to like expect you coming right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: And he's got his whole chance thing and she knows
Speaker 3: about that, and he's got his like holes in his memory,
Speaker 3: and he's got all this like battle knowledge out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's got to have to do with
Speaker 2: a battle. Battles interest him.
Speaker 1: Battles do interest him from day one.
Speaker 2: Tim So.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I guess he she wants in there for
Speaker 3: the last battle. Could be or there's something else coming.
Speaker 3: I mean Land's going to the blight. The Blight's coming southward. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and have something to do with that.
Speaker 1: Everybody has always the Tarwin's Gap is the place.
Speaker 2: So but Andrew's far away from that, and Or is far.
Speaker 1: Away from that. Tell you what will you'll you can
Speaker 1: mull on this a little more. Will We'll take an
Speaker 1: ad break. We actually have to go to a go
Speaker 1: to a conference session. But we'll come back and we
Speaker 1: will we'll keep on keeping on a little later today.
Speaker 2: It's gonna drive me crazy.
Speaker 1: We're back. We're still under a tree. Okay, you thought
Speaker 1: about it to talk about this morrow? Okay, what else
Speaker 1: is there to do the golomb and everything else that happens.
Speaker 2: We'll get there. Okay. So here's what's going on with me.
Speaker 2: This is driving me crazy. We're thinking about okay. So
Speaker 2: I was looking at the map and.
Speaker 1: See I'm making the louder gesture at her and she's
Speaker 1: not getting louder.
Speaker 3: I'm working on it, but I'm in my contemplation voice,
Speaker 3: and my contemplation voice and isn't always very loud.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing I.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I was sitting here going, okay, it's got
Speaker 3: to be something having to do with Camlin, because you
Speaker 3: wouldn't force him to stay in Camlin if she wasn't like, okay,
Speaker 3: I need and he has a big army. It's not
Speaker 3: going to be anything that's like channeling related, right, because
Speaker 3: he'd be useless. So it's got to be like some
Speaker 3: kind of army. I think she's thinking that there's gonna
Speaker 3: be some kind of surprise attack.
Speaker 1: Wait, there's another. We keep on encountering spiders. I think
Speaker 1: we need to go sit on the bench. Ally, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go sit on the bench, but we'll we'll
Speaker 1: walk and talk on our way. I can't pick up
Speaker 1: my backpack and hold the phone. Okay, we'll fine, were
Speaker 1: spider Man, We're surrounded. There's spiders everywhere. We've sat in
Speaker 1: the wrong place. The tree. The tree has rejected us.
Speaker 2: Sorry trees. All right, So you were saying, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: well hold on, let's get to the bench.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we've traded spiders for some car noise.
Speaker 2: All right. So here's thinking.
Speaker 3: All right, so Varren, he's not a risk taker. She
Speaker 3: wants Matt in Camelin for a reason. I feel like
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be even actually that surprising. If he opened
Speaker 3: up the letter and it was like, stay in Camlin
Speaker 3: for thirty.
Speaker 1: Days, that would be realistic, actually really fun, that would
Speaker 1: be very funny.
Speaker 2: Wait, I would kind of love that from her.
Speaker 1: That would be really fucking Well. Then then would he
Speaker 1: open it or would he wait thirty days and then
Speaker 1: open it? Actually, no, no matter when he opens it,
Speaker 1: he has to do the instructions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay in Camelin until X.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like the last battle's coming. But I feel
Speaker 3: like they're not like and yeah, that might be fought
Speaker 3: all over the world.
Speaker 2: You know, in a way. But I'm like.
Speaker 3: Elaine is very vulnerable right now, right because I have
Speaker 3: a feeling that they know the dragon's into her.
Speaker 2: Right, she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: No one know and literally has I'm sorry, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: No one knows who the father is, right.
Speaker 3: I feel like somebody at some point is going to
Speaker 3: put two in two.
Speaker 1: Days their quotes. Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like somehow that information's gotta get out, right
Speaker 3: they already.
Speaker 1: Go because it's obviously not David fucking Handling.
Speaker 2: No, it's obviously obvious dark friend there is.
Speaker 1: He's in jail now too.
Speaker 2: She should have done is like get fake, get Lavender
Speaker 2: married to.
Speaker 3: Somebody tell me I'm wrong, you're right, get publicly lavender
Speaker 3: married to. I don't know who's like the gayest person
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 1: Books, Charles Guy, Allan Luca. It's not Charles Guybond Valan
Speaker 1: Luca definitely not.
Speaker 2: I mean in my head, but at least the way he.
Speaker 1: Was behaving towards ninetieth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's Robert Jordan. Like Robert Jordan makes the
Speaker 3: gay man head on women.
Speaker 1: Who was the gayest man? There is a canonically gay dude,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't show up.
Speaker 3: Until but you know what I mean, Like get Lavender,
Speaker 3: I'm sure someone in the royal family, Like everybody's whispering about,
Speaker 3: get Lavender married to that guy, right, have an agreement.
Speaker 2: We're near a style spoilers for House the Dragon. But
Speaker 2: he's been for several years.
Speaker 3: So get Lavender married, do your thing, chicken wang right
Speaker 3: and then But yeah, but she's vulnerable, and I feel
Speaker 3: like somebody's gonna put two hundred together that these are
Speaker 3: the dragon reborns babies that she's carrying, Right, someone's gonna
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: Right, it's obvious. So she's vulnerable. Also, Camelin's on the
Speaker 2: way to Tarvalin.
Speaker 3: If like things are coming through like the north, it
Speaker 3: also would help to take the south, So then you
Speaker 3: pincerr Tarvalin between these two forces.
Speaker 2: That sucks.
Speaker 1: Sure, Camelin is pretty central to the whole continent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem kind.
Speaker 1: Of the east.
Speaker 2: But is it's like you control Camlin.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but how are you gonna get there? Because
Speaker 1: Camelin is So this is what I've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: Cameln is show.
Speaker 3: Me a map, Show you show me the map, show
Speaker 3: you hold on, I gotta see who's where, wheel of
Speaker 3: time map.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if this is making weird clicking noises.
Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to think of like all the
Speaker 3: places in place because it can't be, like because I
Speaker 3: thought my initial thing was like, oh, the Aushamon, but
Speaker 3: I was like, well, it can't be because I'm like,
Speaker 3: if Varren knew there was a surprise attack coming to Camlin,
Speaker 3: is this what you.
Speaker 1: Were thinking of throughout the whole conference session? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, like like I let my.
Speaker 1: Because I was going to be very impressed.
Speaker 2: I let my subconscious do on it. My conscious mind
Speaker 2: was busy.
Speaker 1: So here's Tarwin's gap up here right, here's tarv Allen,
Speaker 1: Here's Camlin. The Black Tower is right outside of Camlin.
Speaker 1: This down here farmatting You you mentioned the Borderlanders, they're
Speaker 1: down here. Ah, I like that.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. This is I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Thee shann Over his something weird.
Speaker 2: Going on with those Borderlanders.
Speaker 1: Now, well they what do they want? Ally? They want something?
Speaker 1: They want to talk to him? Are they going to
Speaker 1: talk to him? It's unclear they were they gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna slap the ship out of him.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: Because we also haven't really had any like dark friend wealth,
Speaker 3: not wealthy people like royalty really other than Moraine's uncle, right,
Speaker 3: but there's.
Speaker 1: President, there's precedent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it would be very helpful to have dark friend.
Speaker 1: It would be nobility.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you think you'd recruit the shit out
Speaker 2: of those people?
Speaker 1: But they don't always have so eat the rich. Yes,
Speaker 1: but they also don't always. They often are not the
Speaker 1: people striving for status they.
Speaker 2: Have, that's a joke, done, eat anybody.
Speaker 1: What they're not the people striving for status. Dark friends
Speaker 1: are usually people who want more, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, there is no point at which it's.
Speaker 1: Ever enough for those people, that's true. True. Come on,
Speaker 1: you can't pull the phone away. It's the recording device.
Speaker 2: That's why billionaires exist. They're like, there's just never enough.
Speaker 3: There's never enough money, right, Like, we never get to
Speaker 3: a point where we're like done trying to conquer the
Speaker 3: fucking world.
Speaker 2: That's stupid anyway.
Speaker 3: So it could be that that's just like a group
Speaker 3: of bad nobles.
Speaker 1: Who in the border it's all of the royalty.
Speaker 3: Well, because they've also been getting fucked over and over
Speaker 3: and over again up north they have, and so after
Speaker 3: a certain point of seeing that much suffering and just
Speaker 3: being exposed to that much shit. After a certain point,
Speaker 3: you're like, this isn't a losing exactly what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is like it might not just
Speaker 3: end with Inktar. That could be right, Like they might
Speaker 3: also be like, we're gonna lose, so let's join Amstead.
Speaker 1: Sonoby is there too, though, with this group.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know if Tanobi is good.
Speaker 1: No, we don't.
Speaker 2: We rarely know her. We've just heard about her. We listen.
Speaker 2: Plenty of people are shitty cousins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Plenty of good people are shitty cousins. The good people
Speaker 3: are shitty parents.
Speaker 1: The guy from Eye of the World whose name is
Speaker 1: suddenly escaping me because I haven't thought about him in
Speaker 1: a while. Uh, the guy, the guy, the General. Oh,
Speaker 1: my fucking god, the fucking guy, the General, the guy
Speaker 1: at the end of the book.
Speaker 2: Who the guy?
Speaker 1: The Guy, the General, the guy. God, damn it, what
Speaker 1: the fuck he's the Hey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they say, here is.
Speaker 1: With this group?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but it wasn't. His sister dark Round didn't know.
Speaker 2: Wait what happened?
Speaker 1: His sister was manipulated by Leandren. Leandron was like, I
Speaker 1: could kick the kick the slap the ship out.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just saying it seems like Varion is aware
Speaker 3: that there may be a surprise attack coming from normals.
Speaker 3: So it's not going to be the Aschamon, right, it's
Speaker 3: not going to be And I'm just like, what other
Speaker 3: armies are there? I guess the shan Channer possibility banked
Speaker 3: over here.
Speaker 1: They're over here but there and they just got well,
Speaker 1: they had a pretty even fight in Tarbalan.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they had like but they ultimately got spanked
Speaker 3: and now they're back here again.
Speaker 1: Carolics can't exactly get here. No, they can't go through gate.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess like we could have away gate open,
Speaker 2: but it sounds.
Speaker 3: Like the ants are going to war, right basically with
Speaker 3: the fucking.
Speaker 1: They went to what did they do? They went to
Speaker 1: all the steading right and they shut well.
Speaker 3: And they shut all the way gates right, So that's
Speaker 3: probably not gonna happen. So I don't think it's Troalis
Speaker 3: like I'm trying to just eliminate things like the shaw
Speaker 3: chan It seems like well because then because again I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about this pincer thing right right where I'm like,
Speaker 3: if they come in through the north. They're gonna want
Speaker 3: a group in the south. So I'm like, but wouldn't
Speaker 3: be the shawan Chan then, because that would require something
Speaker 3: in the north. And we know that that like, this
Speaker 3: area is getting absolutely spanked right now, right the Shinar
Speaker 3: that area, Like at the very beginning of this book,
Speaker 3: didn't we like check in with a guy and his son.
Speaker 1: And yeah, invasion has started from the north.
Speaker 2: Where where was that chetch?
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's up here, it's the coming
Speaker 1: out of the blood. We're going.
Speaker 3: We're going to Tarvalan, I swear to God, like they
Speaker 3: want to spank Jarvalen again.
Speaker 1: So as a reminder, and this would be a good
Speaker 1: time to do it.
Speaker 3: You know why what because they're already they've already just
Speaker 3: like first of all, they've just kind of restabilized. Yeah
Speaker 3: right again, I do think Damon Dred must be in
Speaker 3: the north.
Speaker 1: You have bounced around a lot on Damon Dred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm just like, because whoever, like the south.
Speaker 3: Is not prepared for the the forces, destabilizing that area
Speaker 3: would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to point out, by the way,
Speaker 1: when remember where Rand said igwayn should meet him when
Speaker 1: they're basically ready ready for the last battle field of Marillore,
Speaker 1: which is right here, it's just north of Tarvalen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm thinking, I'm thinking Damon Dred might be
Speaker 3: in this farmatting.
Speaker 1: The farm matting Borderlanders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he somehow is fucking with them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he wants basically on his command right for this
Speaker 3: group in the north and this and this group in
Speaker 3: the south to Pincer and or Tarvaalin area. Well, this
Speaker 3: is kind of because if he can get, if he
Speaker 3: can get and or he's got like a like a
Speaker 3: clear shot to tar Vallen.
Speaker 1: So you're thinking, and then this group is why would
Speaker 1: Farren know this?
Speaker 2: She was a dark front.
Speaker 1: Does that mean she's privy to all the military plants?
Speaker 3: I mean she is privy to a lot of shit. Sure,
Speaker 3: she's been privy to a lot of ship Like I
Speaker 3: have a feeling, I mean, why wouldn't she be like
Speaker 3: somehow able to know this ship well, because well because
Speaker 3: if there the plan.
Speaker 2: Has attacked Tarvallen again, right, eventually that would get a.
Speaker 1: Crop, get a lane one of the well because Elaine.
Speaker 2: Is also a really valuable bargaining chip.
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn think about it. Well, here's the other thing, I
Speaker 1: guess if you're if you're thinking somebody's taking from formatting
Speaker 1: up and Tarvalin down, Caitlin is a pretty natural resupply
Speaker 1: point or a pretty natural junction choke point for a
Speaker 1: lot of different things, so you would want to control it. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: You could also get up to Kyrieene from there.
Speaker 2: It could also be the sean Chan.
Speaker 1: It could, but the shaun Chin are not explicitly in
Speaker 1: league with the Dark Fronts no, right, so why would
Speaker 1: Baron have knowledge for that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be it's got to be dark.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. It's got to be dark
Speaker 3: Fronds specific. Plus, I feel like the shan Chan are
Speaker 3: doing other ship. They have their sights on Tarbalan right right,
Speaker 3: But Elaine, Oh it's Chachin. Oh yeah, look at that
Speaker 3: look from Chachin. That Chachin is like a straight shot
Speaker 3: down to and or weird though, because none of this
Speaker 3: is right there, Well, where's Camelin?
Speaker 1: Camlin is right there at those crossroads.
Speaker 2: I'm super close to for I'm atting, No, it's not
Speaker 2: very far.
Speaker 1: It's about Chachen three hundred miles.
Speaker 2: And then go Chachin down.
Speaker 1: How far is this is basically Louisiana up to the
Speaker 1: middle of Missouri. Okay, but that's southern Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Why you're crazy trip No, Like, well.
Speaker 1: Not Missouri, I'm sorry, Alabama. Chauchin down, Chatchen to Camlin,
Speaker 1: North Dakota down to.
Speaker 3: Uh Everyone in Atlanta in the US is like, okay,
Speaker 3: so that's pretty far.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a hoof.
Speaker 1: But like that was for European I don't know, Denmark
Speaker 1: down to uh uh Athens. That's not far enough Denmark
Speaker 1: to Croatia.
Speaker 3: And we also do have gateways as a possibility, right, like,
Speaker 3: so you know, but I'm just feeling like there's gonna
Speaker 3: be some and Elaine is a very useful bargaining chip.
Speaker 2: Would be if you have her.
Speaker 1: You have a dragon, basically have children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have his unborn children and his wife one of.
Speaker 1: His wives, one of his wives.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's very useful and valuable as a prisoner.
Speaker 2: Probably right, we are, and we already had well Elaine.
Speaker 1: And also again, Camelin is one of the biggest cities
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 3: Yes, so like this would be kind of like getting
Speaker 3: Camelin would be a win in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: And they already they lost control of Camelin, but they
Speaker 3: have already in their strategy wanted to have Camlin. Like
Speaker 3: that's what the home More Gaze and what this Lord
Speaker 3: Gabriel thing was.
Speaker 1: Again, here's the thing, Igwaine is very Elaine is very
Speaker 1: aware of where the Borderlanders are and what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They don't think that they're a problem.
Speaker 1: But she told them fuck off to Pharmatic. She actually
Speaker 1: used them as a distraction. Remember she said, please march
Speaker 1: through my kingdom. Please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that may be a mistake later.
Speaker 1: But now she's she's consolidated control. She doesn't need that.
Speaker 1: She can tell him to.
Speaker 2: Fuck off, but she hasn't yet. They still this.
Speaker 1: Isn't Andrew, It's a different country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that might be exactly what they want. They
Speaker 3: might want to just park there and wait for the signal.
Speaker 1: So they don't want anything to do with Rand. They're
Speaker 1: lying in wait to attack Elina.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just speculating.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying she would think she would.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been a win either way.
Speaker 3: Like like, well, Rand's not talking to.
Speaker 1: Them, No, he hasn't yet.
Speaker 3: I'm just like I can't think of another fucking like,
Speaker 3: I like, why would they want to talk to Rand?
Speaker 2: Why do they give a shit about Ram?
Speaker 1: So you've let's let's reestablish where you are right now.
Speaker 1: You've decided that I've.
Speaker 2: Ever incited anything.
Speaker 1: You are leading towards the idea that Varren's letter is
Speaker 1: there is going to be a military attack on Camlin.
Speaker 1: You and your army need to be there.
Speaker 3: That's reasonable because why else would she Because because I'm like,
Speaker 3: Varren is not a woman to leave things too chaps.
Speaker 2: No, She's not the kind of broad would leave shit
Speaker 2: up to chance.
Speaker 1: I need to explain why the sound of trees just
Speaker 1: one way? If it did my phone rang, I picked
Speaker 1: it up. We went to dinner, We got home, We
Speaker 1: talked to people for a while, they went to bed,
Speaker 1: We went to bed, and then Allie ate chips for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Oh right, because because I I was like, Alie,
Speaker 1: we need to record, and she said, yeah, let me
Speaker 1: finish my chips, and then she ate chips. It was
Speaker 1: actually more like fifteen minut I have no regrets. They
Speaker 1: were were they good?
Speaker 2: They were cool? Ranch Doritos, you tell me so, they're the.
Speaker 1: Best in the interest of getting this episode up. No
Speaker 1: more on your theory. Do you want to continue forward?
Speaker 3: Bearing's not the kind of broad Okay, I've probably already
Speaker 3: said this six times now because I don't remember what
Speaker 3: I've said so far. But she's not the kind of
Speaker 3: broad whould leaves it up to chance. Like I would
Speaker 3: not be surprised if the letter when she when he
Speaker 3: opens it says stay in camelin thirty days.
Speaker 1: You have said that d best, funniest. It would be funny.
Speaker 7: Actually, I hope that's what it says. I hope it
Speaker 7: says nothing but staying game up for thirty days. And
Speaker 7: he's just like I got played so hard. I hope,
Speaker 7: Oh that would be the best. It will be the
Speaker 7: best thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 1: It'd be pretty funny.
Speaker 2: That'd be so funny. Wait wait, wait wait wait, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that maybe the what you already said
Speaker 1: this was so.
Speaker 2: They in royalty, Yes, are shady as fuck.
Speaker 3: You said that well because we don't know Zanobia. People
Speaker 3: are shitty cousins. I know I've already said this.
Speaker 2: People are shitty cousins all the time. I don't actually,
Speaker 2: but like some people do, I'm sure that. Like half
Speaker 2: the listeners are like, yeah, I got that one cousin,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Also, we know she's gotta die because we know Parent
Speaker 3: and Viola are going to rule at some point.
Speaker 2: Like we just know this because in Parents fucking flashback
Speaker 2: even were Prophecy whatever, he had a broken crown. Now
Speaker 2: what is the throne of Saltea?
Speaker 1: The broken crown? O?
Speaker 2: The plot? It is as thick as parents ask came out.
Speaker 1: You should probably see a doctor about that. Can you
Speaker 1: have thicks? I wouldn't know. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Kind of squads leads to that.
Speaker 1: It's so late, it's oh really, why do you want
Speaker 1: some more gurridas? I fully encourage them. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not okay, okay, okay. So Matt, they get back to camp,
Speaker 1: and they're at camp and they're outside of Caitlin. They're
Speaker 1: thinking about the GOLM. They're like, we gotta get this
Speaker 1: ship figured out.
Speaker 2: We gotta go yeah, okay, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he kep.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is nice though, we get it. We get
Speaker 1: a little Brandon keeps putting these in. Tom stepped up
Speaker 1: beside him. It seems forever since we were here since
Speaker 1: we left here last? Doesn't it? Matt burn me? But
Speaker 1: it does. Matt said, whatever convinced us to go hunting
Speaker 1: those fool girls next time? They can save themselves. Tom
Speaker 1: eyed him, aren't we about to do the same thing
Speaker 1: when we go to the Tower of Genji, which they
Speaker 1: are going to do soon?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thank god?
Speaker 1: I think this has also it's.
Speaker 2: Been on my fucking Mingo card for a billion years.
Speaker 1: This is also really funny. What has Matt been doing
Speaker 1: for the entire.
Speaker 2: Chapter thinking about going to the coat Dogan?
Speaker 1: No, what does he? What have you just talked about
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes?
Speaker 2: Letter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been thinking about the letter for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Tom seemed thoughtful a lot lately, moping around caressing that
Speaker 1: Warren letter from Wa Rain. It was only a letter.
Speaker 2: Come on, Oh my god, he's in love with her.
Speaker 1: You've done?
Speaker 2: I love you, mattrium Uh so, he scoop back up here?
Speaker 1: You slid away? Okay, nearly have not? You have? It's funny.
Speaker 1: They're also like, I wish Basil Gil were around. He
Speaker 1: he always knew what was going on. Oh now you
Speaker 1: want Basil Gil. Yeah, honestly, the rest of this chapter
Speaker 1: not a Ton happens. They make plans and they talk
Speaker 1: about Tom doesn't trust Varren by the way. He thinks
Speaker 1: there's something off about her. Well, he's right, impeccable, impeccable.
Speaker 2: But she's dead now, so so it doesn't matter, is
Speaker 2: he like, don't open that letter?
Speaker 1: Uh, they're talking about getting to the get to Genji
Speaker 1: because bail don't undescribed it. Matt doesn't really remember being
Speaker 1: there because that was when he was daggersick.
Speaker 2: Tom, that's a witchy girl intuition where.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find someone to make a gateway. Varren has vanished.
Speaker 1: I'll find a way. If you don't, we'll end up
Speaker 1: spending weeks traveling to the place I don't like. I'll
Speaker 1: find us a gateway. Matt said, Maybe Varren, I'll come
Speaker 1: back and release me from this bloody oath. Best that
Speaker 1: one stays away. Tom said, I don't trust her. There's
Speaker 1: something off about that one.
Speaker 2: That's so rating.
Speaker 1: She's I said, I, Matt said, And there's something off
Speaker 1: about them all, But for an I said, I I
Speaker 1: kind of like Varren, and I'm a good judge of character.
Speaker 2: You know what, Well, he's not technically wrong, no, because
Speaker 2: I mean She is ultimately a good person, just in
Speaker 2: a bad situation. They needed to spy on the inside.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love for me that I figured
Speaker 2: out that they needed to spy on the inside.
Speaker 1: Yes, you were so close. It was great.
Speaker 2: I just had the wrong girl.
Speaker 1: The eyes said, I have come back to camp woman.
Speaker 2: Sorry, lady broad Gal.
Speaker 1: Matt's stressed, uh, having memories and Teslin. Teslin walks up
Speaker 1: to him and is like, hey, we got to talk.
Speaker 1: And Matt is like, you're already talking and he opens
Speaker 1: his tent and do you remember this whole thing? There's
Speaker 1: blood in the well before that test. Test is talking
Speaker 1: to him and the she's like, hey, I gotta go
Speaker 1: back to the White Tower and he's like okay, and
Speaker 1: she goes I just wanted to say thank you. And
Speaker 1: he's like, huh do you remember this? M hm. You
Speaker 1: be of course rightly skeptical, but we cannot ignore the news.
Speaker 1: Even at a Sina who foolishly sided with the rebels
Speaker 1: does wish to return. We do plan to go in
Speaker 1: the morning, as it is your habit to sleep late.
Speaker 1: I wanted to come to you tonight in order to
Speaker 1: give you my thanks, your your what your.
Speaker 2: What my Thanksina did not foolish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won my thanks Master coffin Tesla and said, dryly,
Speaker 1: this trip did not be easy upon any of us.
Speaker 1: There have been moments of tension. I do not say
Speaker 1: that I agree with each decision you may. That do
Speaker 1: not remove the fact that without you I would still
Speaker 1: be in shan chin hands. She shivered. I pretended during
Speaker 1: my I pretend, during my more confident moments that I
Speaker 1: would have resisted them. It will be important to maintain
Speaker 1: some illusions with yourself, would you not say? And they
Speaker 1: shake hands and man is like, hey, you can have
Speaker 1: some Horses's nice, and she goes, I thought you didn't
Speaker 1: have any horses, and he goes, count of my horses. Again,
Speaker 1: you can have a few. I did not come here
Speaker 1: to you tonight to manipulate you into giving me horses.
Speaker 1: Tesla said, to be sincere, I figured. Matt said, that's
Speaker 1: why I made the offer.
Speaker 4: And then he steps into the tent and he smells
Speaker 4: blood blood. And that's the end of chapter eight. And
Speaker 4: we're not going to do chapter nine tonight because it's
Speaker 4: too late. But anything about Teslain, I.
Speaker 2: Like Teslin, Yeah, all told, yeah, which makes me nervous.
Speaker 1: Sure, Why do I have to like her? Now?
Speaker 2: Well, she she's going to happen to test I.
Speaker 1: Met fairly poorly for most of this trip.
Speaker 2: Yes, but now they're friends and he's giving them horses.
Speaker 1: Well, she's leaving, she's gone back White Tower, or.
Speaker 3: We find her bloody head on a stick somewhere in
Speaker 3: the middle of the forest because the goal on.
Speaker 1: God her I suppose that is also possible.
Speaker 2: Why are we making made to I don't want to
Speaker 2: feel it's your bastards. I don't want to feel sad.
Speaker 1: It's true, I do. I love to love.
Speaker 3: I love feeling. Feelings are great. Wait, especially after like
Speaker 3: I opened up all my like all my like repressed
Speaker 3: suppressed bullshit feelings. Now it's like you're about because they
Speaker 3: only last like ninety seconds. Now, yeah, like feelings once
Speaker 3: you don't have any like stuff that you're carrying last
Speaker 3: like three minutes.
Speaker 1: Anything else about this chapter? Now?
Speaker 2: Why am I being made to like Tesla?
Speaker 3: And now you're all lulling me into false and of
Speaker 3: security and then you're gonna kill Tesla in some dark,
Speaker 3: sad way. No, it's gonna be sad because now that
Speaker 3: we like her, it's gonna be like we're going to
Speaker 3: walking through through the forest, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: what's that ahead on a stick?
Speaker 2: It's Teslain. It's Teslain's beautiful head on a stick. She
Speaker 2: do be dead. Thanks for that's what you're all gonna
Speaker 2: do to me, you manipulative folks. I'm onto you.
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Speaker 2: Ellly Teslain dead, dying, doomed, hanging from I don't know.
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Speaker 2: You're all gonna die. I don't know what's happening.
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