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Usha Naswami. How are you doing, Nasha, I'm very happy

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to be here. Thank you so much for coming on

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the show, my dear. I am just truly looking forward

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to this conversation. You as well as I are both

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devotees of Paramahansa Yogananda, and my audience, if they've been

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listening at all, they know I mentioned Paramahanza all the

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time Autobiography of a Yogi, But I really have never

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had anyone on who has been as close lineage to

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Yogananda as you have and has such a deep understanding,

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much deeper than I am sure understanding of his teachings.

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And I wanted to kind of talk about your journey

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and your understanding of his teachings and how they affect

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your teaching. So thank you so much for coming on

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the show, my joy. So, how did you regain your

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journey into self realization? And for people who don't know

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what self realization is can you explain it?

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Speaker 2: Self? Realization is a way of understanding, answering the question

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who am I. It's a way of answering the question

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what really causes suffering? And what really causes happiness? And

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it leads us inward to a deeper and deeper Oddly,

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the more you go inward, the broader you perspective guts

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rather than the opposite, And it gives one. It gives me,

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has given me a poll star by which I can

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measure everything else. Is it leading me towards or is

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it leading me away from expanded awareness greater enlightenment?

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Speaker 1: And how did you start your journey towards self realization?

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Speaker 2: You know, I was one of those people who always

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was intensely interested in things that other people weren't interested in.

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From my earliest childhood, I just I had this intense

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passion to be happy, which was paradoxical because I was

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very happy. I had a very nice family, I grew

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up well, but I always wanted to understand the feeling

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side of life. I was very school smart, which in

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our society of your school smart that just sort of

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everybody thinks, therefore you have your life together. But I

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was entirely conscious of the fact that nobody was really

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talking to me about the actual meaning of life. They

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were just telling me how to get through it in

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a way that would look like success. So I held

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on until I was admitted into Stanford University, which at

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that time you didn't have to be a queen or

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a king or something like that could get into Stanford.

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I want to say this was a long time ago.

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It was also in nineteen sixty five when the whole

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American society was just coming apart, and I was right

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in the middle of it. And as soon as I

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got to Stanford, I sort of held out, thinking if

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I got to a great university, I would actually discover wisdom.

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And in the first two weeks I discovered knowledge, but

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I did not discover wisdom. It was very clear to me,

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very quickly that my teachers had no more of a

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clue than I did about what life was about. So,

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as it happened, at that time, the great dead was

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just forming, and they formed right here. They formed, you know, Rybere,

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Stanford is. So they would have these house parties almost

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every Friday, and I would find out where the party

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was and I would just go and I would dance

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all night, and basically that was my college. I flunked

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out at the end. And almost as soon as I

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flunked out, I met a group of friends and they

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were studying the teachings of Vivid Caananda and Rama Krishna.

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Rama Krishna was a great avatar of the late eighteen

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hundreds in India. And they handed me a book by Vividcananda.

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Very intellectual, very brilliant mind if Cananda was. And I

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opened the book and it for the first time in

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my life. Because I grew up in a Jewish family,

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and I grew up actually in Texas and then moved

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to California before I finished high school, I didn't know

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anything about India. India was just coming to the West.

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I opened the book by Vivikenanda. It said it actually

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was out of the Bible, but I didn't know it.

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Perfect love casts out fear. What you are today is

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the result of what you did, Yesterdaday. If you don't

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think about yourself, you'll be happy. All three of those

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were absolute revelations to me, and it took me about

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five minutes to decide this is what I've been looking for.

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And then I spent the next three years and I

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inwardly developed a very deep relationship with Rama Krishna, which

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I still carry. He passed away before nineteen hundred, so

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there was no chance of ever meeting you, and so

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I studied. I read books after book after book after book,

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and then I started reading about saints and yogis and

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mystics just everywhere. But I was Jewish, so I couldn't

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be a Catholic nun, not that I wanted to be,

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I wasn't. I didn't believe in Jesus. I didn't know

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Jesus at that point, so Christianity was out altogether. I

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didn't know how to go live in a cave. Going

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to India wasn't as common as it was, and I

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was probably too cowardly to do it anyway. So I

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got totally full of the idea that there's another way

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to live, and I was completely helpless. I just didn't

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know how to make it happen. And I literally thought

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if I just got up, went to work, came home

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with with my friends, got up the next morning, I

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went to work again, I would lose my mind. I mean,

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I really thought I would lose my mind, and of course,

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right into that, all of a sudden someone tells me

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about Swami Criananda, who's an American with an Indian name

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who was a direct disciple of Yogananda. When he was

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twenty two, he met Yogananda. He lived with Yogananda for

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the last three years of Yogananda's life. He was in

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San Francisco. I was in Palo Alto, where I still am,

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and my friend said, he's a real teacher. You're like him.

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And he was speaking just Stanford plays a role in

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my life. He was speaking at Stanford. It was actually

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a fraternity had a big party tent and they, wow,

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this is cool. We'll invite a swallomy. You know, this

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is again nineteen. This is sixty nine by now. So

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I go to that event and Swami Creanando walked into

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the room. It wasn't even a room, it was a tent.

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He walked into the tent. Something in me said, he

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has what I want. He was the first person I

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had ever met. I was now twenty two by this point,

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first person I had ever met that. I don't even

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know what the words meant to me, but I could

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feel his consciousness. I could feel that he had he

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personified everything I'd been reading. There was joy, there was power,

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there was freedom, there was love, there was kindness, and

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he filled the room. My friends. My friends were less

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interested than I was, so they insisted we sit in

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the last row. So I'm in the last row, and

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I felt like he was right in front of me

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like this. All of this happened without words. I hadn't

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even heard his voice, and I just thought, That's what

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I've been looking for. Then he talked. I don't remember

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anything he said, except that he talked to us about

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Yoga Nanda. I had autobiography of a Yogi, but it

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was too full of miracles for me too. I was

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too intellectual and I didn't go for all the so

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I had read a few pages and put the books down.

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But he was a disciple of Yogananda. And after he

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finished talking, I thought, this is the most intelligent man

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I've ever met, which for me was fun because I

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like intelligence. It's kind of my hobby. Honestly, I would

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have gone to Antarctica. Whatever he'd been doing, I would

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have done it. But that was nice. It was nice

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that we spoke the same language. Literally we both spoke English,

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and also his nature.

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Speaker 2: And I made a decision at that point that wherever

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he was, I would be and I've never looked back.

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He had a community, and he had a community, he

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was starting a community, and I just gave up everything,

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went there, never looked back.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's such a beautiful I've heard those kind of

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stories before about about him and other Yogis when they

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walk in Yogi Swami. To my understanding, a swami is

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more of a priest like aspect of philosophy, while a

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Yogi isn't am I wrong on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, Aswami has taken and I'm a swami also Aswami

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has taken certain vows, it's it's more in the traditional

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swami order, a swami is a monk. Samiana himself expanded

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the idea of the swami order to include if you,

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if you have, if your partnered, and you and you

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both wish to follow the spiritual path, you don't have

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to separate in order to do that. So it's more

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just a declaration. Yogi is someone, as Yoga Nanda describes

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as someone who follows a particular discipline in order to

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achieve realization. Aswami is someone who says, I furthermore, I renounce,

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and traditionally you renounce personal relationship. In the Naiaswami order,

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you don't have to. But nonetheless, I live for I

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live for God alone. And it's between the traditional order

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and the Naiaswamy order. There's been some shifts because the

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traditional order was based on a society that doesn't exist anymore, right, right,

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So the Naiaswamy order that includes the same level of renunciation,

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a formal declaration to oneself and to the divine that says,

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there's nothing else in my life that matters to me

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except the spiritual life. But in our society generally people

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have to live somewhere. It's not easy to get along

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without money, you know. So it's it's adjusted, but inwardly

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it's just the same.

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Speaker 1: No, when you said that when you first read Autobiography

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of Yogi was too full of miracles, I would have

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to agree with you. I read I was introduced to

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me by my spiritual guide that I've had most of

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my life, and she says, you got to read this book.

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And I started reading it and it was just I

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was raised Catholic, so it was way too far out

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for me. This. I had just never heard of bio,

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you know, biolocation and levitation. And and then I didn't

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even get into Baba g like I would have. My

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mind would have exploded if I would have gotten to

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the chapter with Baba Ge. But just those early chapters

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it was just too much for me. It took me

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another decade really before I was ready again. And then

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when I was ready, it was like this big explosion

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just like came through. I was like, oh, oh, I

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get it. It was just the book, the book. I

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wasn't ready for the book yet. I wasn't ready for

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the teachers yet.

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Speaker 2: What happened to me is, first of all, because I

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had so much intuitive feeling about Swami Kria Nanda. I felt,

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if he's dedicated to Yoga Nanda, there must be something here.

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I don't know. But oddly, once I met him, I

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went back I opened the book, it all made sense

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to me. I mean, this was not a decade, this

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was a matter of you know, even almost like months.

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It's just his vibration communicated to me. And because I

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had an intuitive experience of the truth of this. I

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didn't approach it with skepticism. I approached it with from

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the point of view of how how could this be true?

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Speaker 1: Very that's a great distinction, very very nice distinction. No.

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Swami at my age, but that wasn't my path. I

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needed to go through some stuff to get to where

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I am today. But before we continue, we're talking about Yogananda,

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because you and I both know who he is his teachings,

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can you explain a little bit to people who are

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unaware of who Parama Paramahansa Yogananda, what he did for

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when he came over to the West. I know there's

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a very large question, but just the highlights of what

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, this world is not run, thank God,

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by the politicians.

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Speaker 2: Act as instruments for cosmic karma, for national karma, and

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for a divine plan to be played out. In autobiography

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spiritual leader of the West and Babaji as the spiritual

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leader of the East, are in constant communion and have

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planned the spiritual salvation of this age. Now, these are

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the kinds of things that when you first read the

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book you think, really, but after a while it begins

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to make great sense to you, and that these two

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great masters are very concerned about racial hatred, religious bigotry,

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suicidal war, selfish, excessive materialism, etc. So there's been the

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very long I mean very long, you know, this constant

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process in which the conditions of the planet are constantly

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shifting so that those of us who are incarnate on

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these changes go over a long period of time, and

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we're coming into a higher age. There's many factors here.

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hunter Yogananda, at the behest of Bapaci, came from India

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to the West. Now India and the West are completely integrated.

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teachings of India, and he was translating them, not just

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by language, but he was picking out those aspects of

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the ancient teaching that were applicable and relevant to the

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age we're living in now. He came to the United

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States in nineteen twenty. He landed in Boston, eventually migrated

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to Los Angeles where he set up his work. And

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he because the United States was a clean slate in

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terms of these teachings. We knew nothing about it effectively,

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and we're very practical and we look to the future,

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of these teachings in India, especially at that time, people

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would say, oh, yes, self realization, but you know, Mike

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the same teachings in the US and people would say,

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God realization, sure we can do that. And the whole

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teaching was completely unburdened by the by religion. You know,

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people think that self realization is Hinduism, but it is not.

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it sanatan dharma, which translates that which is it's the

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nature of humanity. And so in this age, and you

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can see it everywhere, we want to liberate ourselves from

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oppressive tradition, and we want to go right to the

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actual essence, and the essence is what causes suffering and

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what brings happiness. Yoga Nanda brought with him a small

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book that he wrote. The first book. He actually somebody

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else wrote it for him because he didn't know English

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that well at that time. He called it the Science

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of Religion, but it and its theme was very simple

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that there are we are. Humanity is made in a

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certain way. Certain ways of being create suffering, other ways

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of being created happiness. And everybody, every decision you make

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is always because you think it will increase happiness and

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reduce suffering. Many of the decisions are misguided and exceedingly stupid,

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but nonetheless we do them because we believe that. So

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self realization is nothing, but it is only an ever deeper,

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more subtle understanding of what causes us to suffer and

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what brings us to show it.

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And now back to the show and the people to

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get an understanding is that at that time when yoga

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on the came, most Americans have never seen an Indian

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exactly exactly, let alone a yogi yes, you know, with

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a turban walking around his complexion and then spounding these ideas.

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Speaker 2: But it's very interesting. He was.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 2: He was one of, if not the most popular public

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speakers of his time. He went on spiritual campaigns back

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and forth across the United States. He filled about literally thousands,

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you know, the largest halls in the largest cities, because well,

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it's what I felt when Swami Creanandi came in. He

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wasn't talking, he he was what he was talking about.

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word showman, but I don't mean that in a bad sense.

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and he did miracles on the stage, and he did

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miraculous healings, and so people just flocked he became, and

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he was so charming and so funny and so warm

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hearted and so practical. He made what he was speaking

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about extremely practical, because that's the American temperament. And he

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knew if it could take hold, I mean they knew,

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the West, it could spread, which is exactly what we've

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seen what happened. He taught people how to be happy

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in their marriage, how to be successful in their work,

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how to make money, how to cure themselves of diseases,

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I mean, everything that people really wanted to know, he didn't.

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the highest teachings and brought them right down to where

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people were standing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't it interesting? Though? And that's a really key

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point of his teachings, and for that matter, of Jesus

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Christ's teachings that at the level when Jesus was walking

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the earth, the consciousness of humanity was only at a

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certain level and could only grasp what he was saying

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to a certain level. And obviously the end of that

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story was not well. Didn't end it well for Jesus.

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are at such a high level of understanding and consciousness.

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bring it down to a level where it was very

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digestible for people to understand, and especially the consciousness in

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the nineteen with twenties or so. Can you imagine in

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the roaring twenties talking about self realization when it was

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all material material, material, money, money, money, money, money. It's

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so amazing and and for people, tell us understand that

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Yoga Nanda is and please correct me if I'm wrong.

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the West. Am I correct with that? Well?

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Speaker 2: I would say autobiography of Yogi has been the catalyst,

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and has autobiography of the Yogi started the revolution. It's

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the it's the handbook of the revolution. And and you know, again,

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things work on a subtle level. Yoga Nanda by incarnating,

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he planted this, this, this, uh, you know, this waves

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of vibration, just like Jesus. If you looked at Jesus's life,

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you would have think this man is going to be forgotten.

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Nobody is going to pay any attention to this crucified outsider.

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want to I want to clarify a single point here.

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but only very briefly, is this is this cyclical nature

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of consciousness on a planet, and it's called the and

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it's a tradition in many cultures, and it's also an

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Indian one. And we are emerging from an age of matter,

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it's called Kali, the dark age. We're coming into the

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age of energy. We're in the age of energy, and

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we're in an ascending cycle. Okay, we are in a

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transition which is very turbulent and is going to remain turbulent.

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very powerful force that's trying to hold us to the past,

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fixed religions, fixed races, fixed cultures. And simultaneously we have

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the age of energy, where people are realizing that it's

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all the same. So there is the revolution that Yogananda

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helped launch. He's by no means the only one, but

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he's certainly a major figure of souls who are beginning

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to come into a completely new way of understanding. Simultan paneously,

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you have this powerful force pulling in the other direction.

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getting darker. In a weird simultaneous way, and the light

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in this case is going to triumph because there's a

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cosmic force that's pushing us into a higher age, but

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now without a bit of a struggle. But what happens

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is that the masters, the avatars, the fully realized masters.

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highly unfortunate. But the fully God realized masters, they always

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have the same consciousness and their capacity is always to

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go from the infinite to the infinitesimal. They move and

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are at home in all it all aspects of existence.

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in a particular place. They are limited by the culture

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and by the level of consciousness of the planet. However,

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their disciples are also there, and so they also come

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to serve those disciples, and full realization can exist at

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any stage of the planet. The planet has a certain level,

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but realization is independent of circumstances. But the response of

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those disciples is different. Like after Jesus's life, they all

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just left. They went out to the deserts, they went

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out to the caves, they went out into monasteries. Society

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was dark and getting darker, and so there was no

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point in trying to build or do anything because we

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were just going to get worse. So they isolated themselves,

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which was kind of nice. You just got to say,

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the age, in the age that Yogananda came into to

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build a new society. So those of us who are

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wakening to this are building a new way of living,

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and so we can't run away. We have to walk

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into it. And that's why people are becoming less religious

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Speaker 1: It is kind of remarkable that that is, at least

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was it was kind of like a bomb going off,

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you know, and it's and it's rippled ever since, and

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it's now growing in ways that even in my lifetime

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I was born in the seventies and from when I

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was born to where we are right now, I mean,

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yoga was something that is kind of thrown in the background.

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And meditation you were kind of kookie if you meditated,

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And now CEOs are meditating. There's apps, doctors are saying no, no,

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you should meditate. It calms you down, you know, all

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this kind of stuff, and even a show like mine.

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And I've said this on the show so many times,

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is a show like mine probably wouldn't have worked twenty

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years ago. People weren't people weren't ready to hear conversations

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like this, conversations of near death experiences of other masters,

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of these kind of teachings. They just wouldn't have been ready.

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But it's been, so I love to hear your point,

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your point of viewing this. In the last ten years,

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it seems like it's been It's like a rocket launching

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more so than the last thirty years. Prior there has

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been growth, without question, but these last ten years, it

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just seems to be accelerating and accelerating and accelerating and

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accelerating so so fast. Well, what's your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've I was born in the forties, so I've

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been full time in this since nineteen sixty nine and

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full time living. You know, I've lived in a spiritual

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community all my life, more than fifty years now, and

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one hundred percent. I always prefer people talk about the

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cutting edge. I prefer the lunatic fringe. That's sort of work.

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I've always tried to live with a lunatic fringe, and

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really really long time just being a vegetarian when I

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saw it.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started. I'm not vegetarian as well.

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Speaker 2: My family required that I submit my entire diet to

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a doctor who pronounced it the healthiest diet he'd ever

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seen and said I would outlive them all, fortunately, thank God.

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the way things change historically is that a small group

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of people who are completely committed. Most people in the

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world just.

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Speaker 1: Drift with the tide, will be right back after a

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word from our sponsor and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: And a small group of people who are deeply committed,

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often always relating to each other. If you look at

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history this way, the Renaissance in Italy, you know, just

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where the Transcendentalists in the Eastern United States, the Russian Revolution,

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the Disciples of Christ, it's always a very small group

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of people. The disciples of Buddha, you know, they gather together,

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they create a vortex a little to the side of society,

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through their vortex and then if they're if they're wide awake,

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then they move over and society moves over to it.

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So when I first moved to Silicon Valley, which was

474
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now thirty six years ago, we were the only game

475
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,519
in town if you want a meditation or yoga, the

476
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:58,200
only game in town. You know. And now my comment

477
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about California is not everybody meditates, but those who don't

478
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,680
feel guilty because they don't that is, and that is

479
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:12,799
mainstream and meditating, yogi's clearing their chakras is universal humor.

480
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
You can have jokes about this, which is a very

481
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sophisticated level of understanding that you not only know what

482
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it is, but you know it enough to make a

483
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joke about it. However, we have a long waist to go.

484
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Speaker 1: Yes, I was watching the show the other day and

485
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they're like, they were making fun of I'm clearing my chakras,

486
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and I'm like, wow, but that it's there.

487
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Speaker 2: It's there, it's their Simultaneously, the word avatar, for example,

488
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,720
which is a great and beautiful word, has been completely

489
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destroyed in certain ways. People don't know what karma is.

490
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My favorite with karma, my absolute favorite was a Harlequin

491
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romance book which I don't think they even have anymore.

492
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But and there's a picture on the cover, and there's

493
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this woman whose clothes are sort of half off her

494
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and she looks very involved. And there's two pictures of

495
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the illustration. There's two pictures of two men up there,

496
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:11,039
and the words are was it Elizabeth? Was it Elizabeth's

497
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karma to be with Henry? Or would her karma take

498
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her to Robert instead? We've arrived in New Ages here, yeah, yeah,

499
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and simultaneously, oh my gosh.

500
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Speaker 1: A little off the mark, a little off the mark,

501
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but at least they're talking about it.

502
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Speaker 2: At least they're talking about it. And and I've traveled

503
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,079
all over the world. That's what I do now. I

504
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:41,200
travel a lot. There's so much light. I used to

505
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,440
be very pessimistic. I'm not at all. There is so

506
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,680
much light, yes, coming in from so many sources, and

507
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,079
so many people are basically catching the wave. The wave

508
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,599
is there, and in yoga, Nanda's consciousness has planted a

509
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great deal of it, and Kreyananda and the other who

510
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,720
not Again, I don't want to be sectarian, but these

511
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are powerful forces, and these these are my life. So

512
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these are the ones I know. But just so many

513
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people in so many ways are getting the idea. The power,

514
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,079
the worldly power is still in the hands of the

515
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people who are desperately trying to make the past the future.

516
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But they're not going to be able to.

517
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Speaker 1: Right and I agree with you, and they're gonna they're

518
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kind of doing the death rattle, if you will, of all.

519
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And it's not just religion, but it's also every aspect

520
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,680
of life, every aspect different different levels of government, the

521
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,359
financial systems, the food systems, the medicine, the medical all

522
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systems that have been around that are not of service

523
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and truly serving humanity. In this new stage of where

524
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we're all going, they're going to fight, but they're going

525
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to lose, and.

526
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Speaker 2: The divine the divine plan is to let them do

527
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a lot and have a lot of destruction. Yoga Nanda

528
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predicted very hard times and we're just getting at the

529
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edge of it. We still have these mad men, these rulers.

530
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Some think that your country belongs to me. It's like why,

531
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But we chose to incarnate at this point, so it

532
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seemed like a good idea at the time.

533
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Speaker 1: There we are, well, this is from my understanding of

534
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,119
talking to other spiritual masters, they said, this is if

535
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you are incarnated in this time period, you chose it

536
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,320
because it's probably one of the most exciting times in

537
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:39,760
humanity's history to see this transformation. It's never happened before.

538
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,280
That's from what I understand. This where we're going has

539
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,440
never happened in our species evolution is from what I understand.

540
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Speaker 2: Well that that's not quite in keeping with the tradition

541
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of India, but it's close enough, and it's and it's

542
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,960
always new because it's always us. It's always a new

543
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it's always a new batch of souls, you know. And

544
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so we're all we're unique and we're living out our

545
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,960
unique karma. So this has a unique The Indian tradition

546
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is a twenty four thousand year cycle.

547
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but everything so that the times and I've

548
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had I've had a couple of experts in the Yugas

549
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,360
come on and I've talked to them about it, and

550
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,400
when they told us, like, yeah, the Dark Ages was

551
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,519
pretty much the bottom those it was because there was

552
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nothing going on for hundreds of years. It was just

553
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,559
just no movement in humanity's consciousness during the Dark Ages.

554
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And then we've now started to go upward. We're going

555
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up again. And then my question to them and my

556
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,599
question to you is, when we reach the opposite side

557
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,880
of the dark ages, if we go back into another

558
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,440
cycle of going down again, is that just cyclical nature

559
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,840
of souls and incarnation? But aren't we? Are we moving

560
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,360
step by step? So let's say Atlantis. I'll just use

561
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this as an example. Let's say Atlantis or a society

562
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,440
like Atlantis, was the pinnacle of the top of an

563
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awareness of consciousness of spirituality. We built the pyramids. I'm

564
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throwing this out there. Please don't take it to the

565
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,480
grain with a grain of salt. But then we start

566
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to do it downward, downward, we start going back down

567
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,360
the other cycle. Every time we get to that cycle.

568
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Are we kind of leveling up on the cycle a

569
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little bit and getting closer to an enlightenment as a species?

570
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: No, because the premise, there's several premises that I believe.

571
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440
Now this, I'm not making this up. This is what

572
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from Swami Creannando, with whom I had a very active,

573
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:49,119
interactive close association for forty five years. Everything I learned

574
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,599
I learned from him. Everything he learned he learned from

575
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:55,800
Yoga Nanda. So nothing is mine, but I've integrated or

576
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I've come from my own experience to accept it. So

577
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what I'm talking about is how Yoga Nanda himself explained

578
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the cycle of the Yugas. And it's very first, the

579
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premise of we is a is a hard premise in

580
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that because humanity is not an entity, the the eternal

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entity is The word in Sanskrit is jiva ji v a,

582
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which is more or less the equivalent word of soul

583
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in the English, except soul is a little use that

584
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,679
you're using it for your titles. Soul is a little

585
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,880
bit less exact. Jiva is the unique spark of individuality,

586
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you might call it the bubble in the ocean of infinity.

587
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And that individuality is eternal. Interestingly, that who I am

588
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I will always be and always have been, and that

589
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jieva is that spark of divinity that comes in and

590
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,280
out of many bodies, over many incarnations, but makes it

591
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always the same. And it's the jieva who radually becomes enlightened.

592
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And once the jieva becomes enlightened, it's over. But humanity

593
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:13,639
never becomes enlightened per se. And there are many physical

594
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material planets in creation. Yoganan descent, he said, countless inhabited planets.

595
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Creanana asked him, do we always come back on Earth?

596
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Yoganan to laugh. No, No, of course not, he said.

597
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There are countless choices. When you're in the non physical world,

598
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you look over the many choices, and you find the place,

599
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the culture, the people, the family that matches your karmic pattern,

600
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that gives you the opportunity to learn what you have

601
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to learn now in physical creation, the Yuga cycle, apparently,

602
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,440
and I'm repeating what I understand to be true, is

603
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:57,119
actually an astronomical phenomenon, not a spiritual one, not an astrological,

604
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but astronomical. Our solar system moves closer and then farther

605
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,000
away from the galactic center. And the closer we are

606
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to the center of the galaxy, the more energy comes

607
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to this planet, and therefore the more enlightened people are.

608
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And then the planet follows this elliptical orbit. A solar

609
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,079
system follows the elliptical orbit and gets farther and farther

610
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,679
away from that energy, and at the nayder it's being

611
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activated with the least amount of energy, and then it

612
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makes a turn on its orbit and it starts back

613
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,480
up again. This is what sre Teshwar created. So we

614
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go forward and there's four ages, and so we have

615
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an ascending cycle of the ages than a descending So

616
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we reached the nay deer and start up again. The

617
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,960
nayder of this cycle was five hundred AD, so Jesus

618
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was born at the lowest point and it got worse

619
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that it began to transition into the higher age we're

620
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moving into now. In seventeen hundred, Yoga Nanda said, and

621
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entered fully in nineteen hundred. If you look at everything

622
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that happened in the last century, from nineteen hundred to

623
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two thousand, everything was transformed.

624
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

625
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and now back to the show.

626
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Speaker 2: And we call these things inventions, but they're actually discoveries.

627
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Oil was always there. This system we're using to talk

628
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,400
to each other was always there. It's just that nobody

629
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noticed it, and so people became aware of it. And

630
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so we keep evolving technologically and in our awareness of

631
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unity up to an apex, which is twenty twelve thousand,

632
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five hundred, twelve thousand years. We reach the apex, and

633
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then we start losing awareness, and then we go to

634
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,440
the naty again and then we do it again. But

635
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,519
it's the planet actually that's doing it. And so the

636
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,400
souls on the planet come from an astral world where

637
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they have a choice, and we just choose because the

638
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,840
drama of the planet is the backdrop for the real drama,

639
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:29,280
which is individual awakening. And an individual can be in

640
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,960
the darkest age on the planet like Jesus and he

641
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:37,679
and his disciples they were fully awake, they weren't. Their

642
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:45,079
awakening is not dependent on the relative awareness of the planet.

643
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,800
Their response to the incarnation they have is controlled by

644
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,599
what's going on. Jesus was crucified. It was not special

645
00:41:53,639 --> 00:42:00,599
for Jesus. Everybody they didn't like was crucified. But now now, well,

646
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,440
we still have the death penalty, but people are horrified

647
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,559
by it, and they do it way over here in

648
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,239
the corner. They don't crucify people right on the sidewalk

649
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,960
like they did with Jasus. In countless other ways. You

650
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,519
see that we're that the culture is refining, but there's

651
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,199
still barbarians here.

652
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean there was public burnings, you know

653
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burning which is at the stake. There was public hangings,

654
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public hangings, and they were in the nineteenth century.

655
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Speaker 2: Yes, they were and people.

656
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Speaker 1: You know, I think there's still one state that allows

657
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public hangings, you know, even it's still it's still a thing,

658
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,960
but a firing squad, these kind of things that now

659
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,199
you're just like, no, it's not that's not the way

660
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to do it. No, it is. It's evolving. And when

661
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,960
we look, I mean look at the Colisseum. I mean,

662
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I mean, look what was going on there and and

663
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,719
where we're at now. It's it's fascinating. One other thing

664
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that was really interesting about Yogananda's approach with the West

665
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is that he put up Jesus right next to Baba

666
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,800
Je right next to Yuktashwah and the Heir Mahashi in

667
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,360
the row of saints and Masters. And for the West,

668
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,880
that was the first time anyone had ever paid homage

669
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outside of a Christian faith to Jesus as a great Master.

670
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And from what I understand, Jesus is renowned in India

671
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,079
as a great avatar, as a great quote unquote Yogi

672
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,440
for the teachings that he that he was doing, and

673
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,639
they treat Jesus very differently than the West does. Is

674
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,880
that is that fair statement?

675
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a fair statement, you know, the Yoga Nanda

676
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,880
writes a great length about the quote the so called

677
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,360
lost years of Jesus, which of the eighteen years, you know,

678
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,199
Jesus was twelve years old teaching in the temple, and

679
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,639
then he was thirty years old, and he just shows

680
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,920
up again, and nobody apparently thought to ask him where

681
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,880
he was for those eighteen years, which there's there's. This

682
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,400
is now becoming this is not even esoteric. Now this

683
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,480
is becoming common knowledge. That Jesus went to India, which

684
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is where it was. So more of Jesus's life was

685
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in India than it was in the West. And he

686
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went to the foot of the masters to according to Yogananda,

687
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which I believe is true in the tradition. There he

688
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,320
went to the Himalius, he studied with Babaje, and then

689
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,880
he preached. He preached all over India. He preached in Varanasi,

690
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:45,440
he preached in Pori at the Jaganaut temple. There he

691
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,840
established an entire lineage, and he was completely in the

692
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,559
context of Indian teaching, which according to the Bagavad Gito,

693
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:59,159
whenever virtue declines and vice predominates, I the infinite spirit

694
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:03,199
take visible for in order to restore dharma, and so

695
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,880
they knew exactly who Jesus was. Oh, this is Jesus

696
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is a self realized master, come to help us again.

697
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And Jesus left instructions for his disciple Thomas. As soon

698
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as after Jesus died, the disciples all got together to

699
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decide what they should do. But Thomas already had his

700
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instructions from Jesus, and his instruction was to go to India.

701
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And so as soon as Jesus died, Thomas went right

702
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to India. He went to South India and he continued

703
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what Jesus had been doing. Because Jesus had only been

704
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gone for three and a half years, he just I

705
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am the disciple of the master you were following. They

706
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:47,119
called him Esha, and Thomas established a huge following and

707
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it was completely integrated into Indian culture. It was not separate.

708
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And it was that way for like three or four

709
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hundred years. And then what happened was the Portuguese came

710
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this is in the South and they were just stunned

711
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to discover that there was this whole other branch of

712
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,760
Jesus's teachings and it did not match what the church

713
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,320
had established by that point, so this is also history.

714
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They basically burned all the manuscripts. They burned all the

715
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,119
manuscripts and eliminated a lot of the people and then

716
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,480
took advantage of the devotion to Christ but just turned

717
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it into Catholicism at that point.

718
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they yeah, I always joke I'm a recovering Catholic

719
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:43,239
and I still feel guilty about it. I mean, let's

720
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not even get started with the Vatican. Let's not get

721
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,800
it started with the Council of Nicea. Like, there's so

722
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:52,679
much I've dedicated full hours to just the Council of

723
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,719
Nicea alone to break for people to really understand where

724
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,000
the Bible truly comes from.

725
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Speaker 2: But it came to just say, look, it's just one

726
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,400
avatar after another, and your most beloved avatar, Jesus is

727
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,760
blessing what I'm doing. And that's why the picture was there.

728
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,719
It wasn't like a sop to the West. It was

729
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,599
let me tell you, Jesus yoga. Nanda's state admission was

730
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to was to restore the original teachings of Jesus and

731
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,679
the original teachings of Krishna because both Hinduism and Christianity

732
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:34,599
have wandered way off and to show that it's the

733
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same principles. Oh revolution, I.

734
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Speaker 1: Have to explain. I have to tell you something. I

735
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,639
have a very unique perspective on this topic because I

736
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,039
speak to so many different spiritual masters from all walks

737
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:54,960
of life, spoken to over a hundred year death experiences.

738
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Speaker 2: From all walks of life, wonderful.

739
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,199
Speaker 1: I've spoken to you know people and you know, from

740
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,960
mediums to channelers to everybody, and I keep finding the

741
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:13,159
same principles that keep coming up. It's not like one

742
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,119
person's telling me apples and the other one's telling me oranges.

743
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,480
I rarely, in all almost four hundred episodes I've done

744
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,159
at this show, I rarely, if ever, have had someone

745
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:33,840
say something so off track that like, oh Karma, yeah,

746
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
it's not right, it doesn't exist. No one has said

747
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,199
something like that. They've said a version of it, they

748
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,599
might have a little different flavor to it, but the

749
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,239
core ideas of all of it seem to always ring true.

750
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,039
And that's what I find so fascinating, because if you

751
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:51,719
study Yoga, Nanda, you study Jesus, you study Buddha, you

752
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:58,159
study Krishna, the core ideas are all there. A truth

753
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,840
is a truth is a truth would you agree.

754
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh yes, you know. Yoga Nanda said self realization has

755
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,480
to come to unite all religions. And he did not

756
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,639
mean he called his organization self realization, but that's not

757
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,199
what he meant. He meant the principles of self realization

758
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,400
are going to allow people to understand and perceive the unity.

759
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,559
Swami Creananda took it another step, which is a very

760
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,800
interesting Kreananda's job was to take the seminal ideas that

761
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Yogananda had. Swami wrote one hundred and forty books and

762
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,719
he took the seminal ideas that Yogananda had and stretched

763
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,119
them out and brought them down into a clearer understanding.

764
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,920
So this one self realization is here to unite. Swami

765
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:48,559
writes about that every every you start with revelation, you

766
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,559
have an an avatar comes with a direct revelation. Over

767
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:53,960
time it becomes religion.

768
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

769
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,320
and now back to the show.

770
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Speaker 2: And religion is then is then the religion ists are sincere,

771
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,599
often very sincere, but they don't have the direct revelation,

772
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,599
so they just make the best that they can do,

773
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,960
and gradually everything deteriorates because that's the way it works.

774
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,400
So what you end up with is this religion has

775
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,800
Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. This one worships

776
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,920
Mother Collie. You know this one has no images at all.

777
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,880
They think the Buddha was an atheist, which is not true.

778
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,960
But you know it because this is what's called. Swami

779
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,599
called it the way of belief. And on the on

780
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:43,119
the level of belief, you cannot reconcile it. You can

781
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,599
be courteous, you can be respectful, you can say, well,

782
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,880
isn't that sweet? You have it. You have your belief

783
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,559
and I have mine, but you never come together. But

784
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,079
the way of belief is balanced by the way of awakening.

785
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,320
And when when your consciousness actually begins to awaken, then

786
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,239
everybody sees the same thing. They see love, they see kindness,

787
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,840
they see where happiness comes from, they see what causes suffering.

788
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,679
And you may still be devoted to my Lord Jesus

789
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,360
Christ or my dear Chrishna, but that's not what defines you.

790
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,880
What defines you is the way your consciousness has changed

791
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,320
because of your devotion and your practice. And that's where

792
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,760
the principles of self realization come in. Our consciousness will

793
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,800
change because of my principles in practice is my ish

794
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,760
today of my chosen focus for my devotion may still

795
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,559
be Christiana or Jesus, and I won't shift from one

796
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,400
to the other, but my experience will be just like yours,

797
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,440
and we'll recognize each other. We'll look into each other's

798
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,000
eyes and we'll recognize each other.

799
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: It's in a certain way you're right, because not in

800
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,880
a certain way you're completely right. But when someone like

801
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,639
Jesus or Chrishna or Buddha or and on the show

802
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,599
up they are they have such a deep understanding of

803
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,440
the teachings, They have a revelation. They have a revelation

804
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,480
inside of themselves. So that is the key ingredient that

805
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,119
they can't give to someone else. They can guide to

806
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:17,199
see if they can find it within themselves. But they

807
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,800
they that understanding is very difficult. So then the good good,

808
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:26,639
the the group after the master dies starts the religion

809
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,199
and they say, okay, well, yogan Nanda said that night,

810
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,760
Jesus said this. Okay, he said this, this and this,

811
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,119
And then someone will come along and go, well did

812
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,599
he say this? And what did he really mean? I mean,

813
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,840
you know, it thinks it thinks along that side. It's

814
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,800
the equivalent. And this is a crude example. But I'm

815
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,320
a master chef, and in my recipe book, I lay

816
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,800
out all the greatest recipes, and everything I cooked when

817
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,280
I was alive was the most delicious things you've ever

818
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,920
had in your life. But when I wrote a pinch

819
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,800
of salt or a dash of this, I know what

820
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,440
that means. Now you have to interpretate what my pinch

821
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,079
and what my dash was, and did I put something

822
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:07,880
else in it that I might have not put in

823
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,800
the recipe, something that I brought to a crude example,

824
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,119
But it's where it starts to get deluded. And that's

825
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,599
only one step away from the master. Can you imagine hundreds,

826
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,920
if not thousands of years from the original teachers. One

827
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,719
of my favorite quotes of Yogananda is that Jesus Christ

828
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,960
was crucified on one day, but his teachings were crucified

829
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,159
for the last two thousand years. And it's just so so.

830
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,159
And to that example, almost all, if not every single

831
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,639
avatar or master who walked the earth, their teachings have

832
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,119
been diluted, misunderstood, changed over time, not for malice, sometimes

833
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:52,039
for malice, sometimes for powering and other things. Generally not

834
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,840
for malice, but just for lack of understanding, lack of capacity.

835
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,119
Speaker 2: Would you agree, Oh yes, but you see, the marvel

836
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:01,480
of India is take that into account. You see that's

837
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:08,119
in the Bagvadita. Whenever it declines, the nu Avatar comes

838
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:12,039
not to not to displace what came before, but to

839
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,039
clarify what has been lost. And that is one hundred

840
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:18,800
percent what Yogananda said. I'm here to show you the

841
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,679
original teachings of Christian and the original teachings of Jesus,

842
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,960
and through that to show you that self realization is

843
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:29,079
what everybody's talking about. And now that we're see in

844
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,880
the age that we've just come out of, form was fixed.

845
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,639
If you look at the way the society has changed,

846
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:40,039
what's happened is that forms are disintegrating. You know, in gender,

847
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,719
which I would never have thought of as fluid gender

848
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,320
has become fluid. Marriage is you know, kind of iffy.

849
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,559
A lot of times people still should and want to

850
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,239
be married, but so many other forms of relationship exists,

851
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,480
blah blah blah. And people want to be spiritual but

852
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,440
not religious, which is what they're actually saying, is that

853
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,719
I want to to be inside of me, not outside

854
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:08,239
of me, and so yeah, and so it's it's a

855
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,079
very interesting time that we live in.

856
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:17,639
Speaker 1: And no, it is extremely it's extremely interesting time. To

857
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:22,360
say the least. I have to ask you. The world

858
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,920
is going through so much upheaval right now as we've

859
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,239
been talking, these forces of the old systems want to

860
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,840
continue to hold onto power while the new world that's

861
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,719
coming up, it's going to happen, but there's they're going

862
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,320
to put up a fight and it's going to get

863
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,440
it is it's already violent. Yeah, you know what's happening

864
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,639
over in the Middle East, what's happening over in Ukraine,

865
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,559
where it's happening over all over the world, these old ideas,

866
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:59,599
battles for land, arguments about this it's it's it's it's insane.

867
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,960
What's happening right now? What in Yoga Nanda's teachings can

868
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:08,519
you tell the audience that could help us move towards

869
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,559
these next five, ten, fifteen to twenty years that are

870
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,360
coming up ahead of us, which to my understanding again

871
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,440
speaking to so many different spiritual masters, that it's going

872
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,400
to get bumpy, but it is going to get better.

873
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,519
But it's it's going to be a bumpy ride. Not

874
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:30,079
that it's going to be horrible all the way through,

875
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,960
but there is going to be some turbulence in this

876
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,800
airplane ride towards consciousness.

877
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, jogan Nanda said, it's going to be really terrible.

878
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,159
I have to just say that out loud. Okay, he said,

879
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:46,559
it's going to be really terrible. He spoke of world wars,

880
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:52,400
he spoke of massive depression. He implied earth changes, cataclysmic

881
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,400
earth changes. He warned, He thundered his warning. So I

882
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,000
mean Kreananda carried out that morning to the point where

883
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,119
we all got you know, we kind of got tired

884
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,840
of hearing it. Every year. Swami would say, is this

885
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,480
the year? Because he'd heard Yogananda declare it. Now, this

886
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,880
is what we have to understand the purpose of all

887
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,400
this tumult is because as as a global culture, we

888
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,440
are way off track and we have loss contact with

889
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,480
inner realities and we need to be shaken up and

890
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:32,039
come back. And the answer was very simple. Develop an

891
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:36,760
inner life, Develop a relationship with your own higher consciousness,

892
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,039
Develop a relationship with God. Develop the ability to draw

893
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:47,440
your energy from your inner resources, not merely be dependent

894
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:53,719
on your outer circumstances. Because outer circumstances, according to many prophecies,

895
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,480
including Yogananda's, are going to change. And so if we are,

896
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:05,920
if we are are capable of living from inside in

897
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:11,920
relationship to higher consciousness, then if the outside gets radically shifted,

898
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,239
it won't affect what I think of as myself. The

899
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,280
degree to which my self respect, my comfort, my security,

900
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:24,280
my self definition depends on everything staying just the way

901
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,559
it is. We're going to be very insecure. So I'm

902
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:32,199
a Kreananda. He said, you know, now is the time

903
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,320
to anchor yourself in an inner reality and then the

904
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,239
world can do whatever it wants and it won't define you.

905
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,559
And simultaneously, if we have inner strength, we'll be able

906
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:45,840
to help others and.

907
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:48,599
Speaker 1: To touch upon the inner strength aspect of it. And

908
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:53,800
for people listening, who are whose heads have exploded from

909
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,360
this conversation, you and I have been. I mean, you

910
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,800
and I completely understand what we're talking about, but somebody

911
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,719
listening right now's head has exploded. It's essentially how you

912
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,079
and I were when we first read autobiography or Yogurt,

913
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:12,119
or when Swami walked into the room that day. That's

914
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,760
hopefully what is what this conversation is doing to somebody,

915
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,880
if not two or three people out there right now.

916
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:23,119
The idea of religion versus self realization, and I want

917
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:24,800
to make this a very clear idea, and I'd love

918
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,280
to hear your thoughts of it. We'll be right back

919
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,360
after a word from our sponsor, and now back to

920
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,159
the show. The second that we give our power away

921
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:45,119
to a middle man to talk to God, that is religion.

922
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:52,280
Religion generally speaking, is especially from the Catholic perspective, you

923
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,239
give the power to the institution because the institution is like,

924
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,159
you cannot connect to God or God's power, or God's

925
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,880
knowledge or wisdom or love without going through us first

926
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:10,079
for forgiveness. Again, I'm using the Catholic lens. Without us,

927
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:12,159
you will not be forgiven, You will not be able

928
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,239
to get into the quote unquote Kingdom of Heaven all

929
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,719
of this stuff. Where As opposed to the concept of

930
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,159
self realization is that the power is within you. All

931
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,880
the answers you seek are within you. And as you

932
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,239
said at the very beginning of this conversation, the deeper

933
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,840
you go within, the wider your perspective goes. I just

934
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,480
want people to understand what is going on there, because

935
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,519
if we are empowered ourselves. It's very difficult to control

936
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:48,920
somebody who's empowered themselves because they are a free entity.

937
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,760
They are a free soul, they're a free being. And

938
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,320
if the power that they have is within themselves, you

939
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,639
can't take that away from them exactly. But if you

940
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:02,079
give your power away to an institution like a religion,

941
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:08,119
then that is where control happens. And again through the

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Catholic lens. Yeah, I mean it's called the Roman by

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the way. I don't know if I know this is

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gonna be sound really funny to you. I was in

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Italy and I went to the Vatican, and for the

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very first time in my entire life on this planet,

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I realized that it was called the Roman Catholic Church,

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and I'm like, oh my god, the Romans created this.

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I had no idea. I just never connected the dots

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that it was Roman Catholic Church. I've said it a

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billion times. Oh yeah, I'm Roman Catholic Roman, but never

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really understood that, Oh Rome, Rome made this. The Romans

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made this. So the Roman Empire really didn't fall. It

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just turned into a church. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's very very good. I completely know what

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you mean. And the sight of the Vatican would prompt

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that in your mind, yes, by go ahead, no, no, no,

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you raise You raised so many different interesting questions I

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want to I want to correct, okay, please. The difficulty

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becomes when when we use personal pronouns. You know, when

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I speak of myself, but I say me or I

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or inside of me or my power. We have many,

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many levels within us, and when we use that pronoun,

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it's not accurate as to what we're It's not clear

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what we're referring to. Jesus actually called himself the son

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of man sometimes in the Son of God, when he

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was talking about the Son of God, he was talking

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about his infinite consciousness which was inhabiting the body but

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was not defined by the body. But he called himself

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the son of man. He was talking about that infinite

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consciousness animating the body of Jesus and living through this

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birth and death of Jesus. So he made a distinction

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which is often lost. And the reason people have so

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much trouble with the Bible is because of the pronoun

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I and people, I think it means the individual the consciousness, yes,

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but that manifested only through the body Jesus. So when

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we talk about developing our own inner power, we also

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have to realize that who am I am I Everything

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that makes us separate starts when we identify with the

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limited expression of my consciousness. At that point, I have

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one body. Therefore, I have one set of parents, I

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have certain siblings, I have a culture, I have a language,

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I have a religion I was raised in. All of

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that separates me, and all of that is true on

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the level of this incarnation? Am I only one incarnation?

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What is it that caused me to animate here? When

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I die? Do I disappear? Or do I continue? And

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all these it's all interwoven. These near death experiences are

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telling us that you step out of this body and

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you suddenly realize I was wearing that body, just like

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I was wearing a suit of clothes, and I'm no

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more of the dress I'm wearing. Then I'm the body

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I'm wearing. But I've been in it so long I've forgotten.

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And so when we and as long as we're identified

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with the body, then we're vulnerable because this body can die,

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this body can be hurt, this body can be betrayed.

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If I identify with the infinite, who is just wearing

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this body, then yeah, if it gets ripped off or

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burned up, or dies or something or gets its feelings hurt,

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yeah that's a bummer. But that doesn't it's not me,

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it's just the part I'm playing. At this point, however,

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we do not acquire that higher knowledge just by becoming

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more and more intense about what you would call the

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ego self. The ego is the self identified with limitation.

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And this is where a discipleship and gurus really come

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into the picture. And there is a capacity on the

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part of the enlightenedment to pass the power of that

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enlightenment on And this is where this is the not

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yet understood aspect of this. People meditate, people are interested

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in self awareness, but they're still I'm going to do

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it myself. And we feel that devotion weakens us. But

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it's not devotion that weakens us. It's devotion to the

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wrong side of the equation that weakens us. Because if

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there's somebody who knows how to do what you're trying

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01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:35,599
to do, why would you not want to learn from them?

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And if you're trying to learn something that is so

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subtle that you can't even grasp it with your mind,

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but they understand it. Why would you not try to

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tune into that energy? And so it gets very misunderstood.

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And this is why I deeply, so deeply lament the

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01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:57,079
change of the meaning of the word avatar, because it's

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an extremely important word. That there are individuals whose consciousness

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who can magnetize us. Not that they do it for us,

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but when you're if you're trying to learn to sing,

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and you sing with someone who sings really well, something

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,719
happens to your voice and it's your voice, but it's

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magnetized because they know how to do it. And how

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much more deeply is our awareness magnetized? When so Christianity

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01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:33,880
is absolutely true. Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, is

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going to liberate me from all my delusions. It's actually true.

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It's got really confused, but that the power of that

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love and the power of that relationship is a fundamental

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key to transformation. That's why Autobiography with Yogi is all

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about gurus and disciples, Guru and disciple, Guru and disciple.

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Very first sentence, very first sentence is about the disciple

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guru relationship.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is that like your example of a singer,

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we need examples we need examples. So if if I

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use the four minute mile, no one thought the four

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01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:17,880
minute mile was possible until someone did the four minute mile,

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and then magically, nine other people, nine other guys broke

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the four minute mile within a year after that. But

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01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:28,199
before then, no one in the history of man up

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,360
until that point had ever done it. So that that

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power of example, it is so transformative, and which just

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I use that as an example, and you could use

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it in singing and in athletics and intellectual in science

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and spirituality. To see someone else at a higher level

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01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:52,159
raises your understanding of what's possible.

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Speaker 2: It is true, but you have to also put in magnetism,

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and magnetism is not is not a physical entity. So

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magnetism is not limited by either time or space, or

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death or materiality or the lack of it. And that's why,

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you know, because we're in a Western country, and I mean,

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I was raised Jewish, but I have a deep relationship

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with Jesus now as I understand him in a different way.

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But he's alive to me. Yogananda is alive to me.

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Creananda left the body ten years ago. But they're magnetism.

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It's like they're they're consciously helping us, and they're they're

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vibrating in a way that if you attune yourself to it.

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In the Bible, it says about Jesus to all those

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who received him, so very esoteric statement, to all those

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who aligned themselves with his vibration. Just like the singer,

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all of a sudden, my voice is in tune because

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I can hear what the note is supposed to sound like.

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So it's not only once there's the example, but then

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there's the attunement with the example.

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Speaker 1: Beautifully said, beautifully said.

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Speaker 2: Very important.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. I

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ask all of my guests. Okay, what is your definition

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of living a fulfilled life?

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Speaker 2: Understanding the definite of what success is, which is to

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live at a higher and higher level of awareness, to

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recognize that that joy is our true nature, and to

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measure everything by the capacity for joy, which is not

1077
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the same as pleasure and happiness, but an actual awareness

1078
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of the presence of bliss, and to be able to

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,359
share that with others, to be able to look back

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and say, I did good work.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1082
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,479
and now back to the show. If you had a

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chance to go back in time to speak to the

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little Asha, what advice would you give her?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't be so worried so much. Just relax

1086
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on it. It'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: How do you define God?

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Speaker 2: Satcha Rnanda. It's not original, It's a Sanskrit where it's

1089
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sot ever existing, ever conscious, ever knew bliss?

1090
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Speaker 1: What is love?

1091
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Speaker 2: Bliss? I think love is bliss in action. When you

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feel joy, you automatically feel love.

1093
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Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1094
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:41,359
Speaker 2: Infinite awareness? To become one with the infinite?

1095
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,319
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

1096
01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:44,760
the amazing work you're doing in the.

1097
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Speaker 2: World, Asha and Nayaswami. Google will just open the door.

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I have a website ashajoy dot com. Really, my name

1099
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is enough. I have several books. I have thousands of

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hours of class on YouTube on every subject related to

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self realization. So just type whatever you're interested in the

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question box. And I also I have a notable Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: You're so hip, Pasha, You're so hip.

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Speaker 2: I say that so casually honestly. The Instagram actually all

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of it is done by other people. I create the content,

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they make it available.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any parting messages for our audience, don't worry,

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,640
be happy. Great song. Great song from the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Not original.

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Speaker 1: Asha, Thank you so much for coming on the show.

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,359
It has been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you,

1112
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and I hope this conversation does help raise the awareness

1113
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and the consciousness of humanity. So I appreciate you, my dear.

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Speaker 2: And I greatly admire and I'm grateful for your work.

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Keep up the good work, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for spending this sacred time with us

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us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,

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