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Speaker 3: This ain't my first time at the rodeos uh New
Speaker 3: York Patriots. It's been a long time, A long time,
Speaker 3: maybe been a year.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think it's probably been about a year.
Speaker 3: For Halloween, I released like some of my older Halloween
Speaker 3: episodes kind of like throwback or whatever. And one of
Speaker 3: the ones that I I re uploaded was the one
Speaker 3: we did about the Winchester mystery.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I listened back to it again and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh damn, this was this was a really good episode. Actually,
Speaker 3: you brought a lot of cool information to that one too.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that episode and I reached back
Speaker 3: out to you, so thank you for joining me, and
Speaker 3: I think we'll we'll be getting into some cool stuff
Speaker 3: today too. Interesting both well, you've been looking into something
Speaker 3: in particular, and I think it has to do with eyeballs.
Speaker 3: But like not but in like the occult sense.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess like just due to like when
Speaker 5: I had magical experiences, there was just things that happened,
Speaker 5: even with my eyes particularly that made me think something
Speaker 5: might be going on. And then like I started looking
Speaker 5: at uh, you know, diagrams or pictures of you know,
Speaker 5: with a drawings or even you know, photos of magnific
Speaker 5: you know, magnifications of parts of the eye and just
Speaker 5: seeing how like it works and how the light you know,
Speaker 5: changes and stuff. Just to me, I started seeing like
Speaker 5: a lot of occult symbolism, or I mean even in
Speaker 5: some of the reflection reflections of light start to look
Speaker 5: like certain sigils, like I mean even the the sigil
Speaker 5: that they use for you know, the fleama uses whatever
Speaker 5: that thing. I mean that pretty very much actually the
Speaker 5: way light reflects off of your lens as it goes
Speaker 5: in and goes back out, So you start to wonder
Speaker 5: if like it even you know, is that even referring
Speaker 5: to But yeah, because of that, I started looking into
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff and then eventually, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: eventually I had somebody come on the show, my co
Speaker 5: hos Lisa, who was very big into the you know,
Speaker 5: she knew physiology, she knows that very well. So we
Speaker 5: ended up doing like I think, like a five or
Speaker 5: six part series on the occult rejects about you know,
Speaker 5: the eye and just showing how there's like certain things
Speaker 5: that I do think you will see in taro, you know,
Speaker 5: old Renaissance art. I think there's a lot of occult
Speaker 5: symbolism that, in my opinion is actually I think based
Speaker 5: off of the eye. And I do even think it
Speaker 5: might possibly go into the brain or you know, maybe
Speaker 5: even you know, blood stuff to do with blood and this,
Speaker 5: you know, nerves maybe, but I think a lot a
Speaker 5: lot actually points at the eye.
Speaker 3: So I have actually a question for you because I
Speaker 3: have my own theory on this, and I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure everyone has some kind of a grand theory about it.
Speaker 3: But it's almost like everything that we pre see you
Speaker 3: through our eyes, everything that we can reach out and touch,
Speaker 3: that we can see that to me is less realistic
Speaker 3: than the things that you can't physically see. Like I
Speaker 3: think like everything that we see could potentially be fake,
Speaker 3: and the things that we perceive as you know, love, faith,
Speaker 3: any type of spirituality, things that we can't actually see
Speaker 3: are the actually the realest things? In my opinion, isn't that.
Speaker 3: I know it sounds stupid, but like I could reach
Speaker 3: out and touch this lamp. I can see the lamp.
Speaker 3: I can touch the lamp, so therefore it's real. But
Speaker 3: is it because I can't see or touch emotions? But
Speaker 3: like I know that they're more real than anything. How
Speaker 3: I feel about the lamp is more realistic than the
Speaker 3: lamp in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hate to say that is true.
Speaker 5: Actually, your your impression of what that land means to
Speaker 5: you is probably more important than any existing there.
Speaker 3: Right, So it intrigued me when you were talking about
Speaker 3: that you were looking into the eyes themselves as being
Speaker 3: like more culted than one might think, because don't we
Speaker 3: have like a prism or something in our fucking eye,
Speaker 3: and like everything gets like.
Speaker 2: Like flipped back and it gets technically I think, like
Speaker 2: like three, it gets flipped like twice kind.
Speaker 3: Of so I meant to see an image.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you even have to start to wonder, like,
Speaker 5: I mean, how correct? I you know, re upside down,
Speaker 5: but it's like how correct is like the image after
Speaker 5: it gets flipped and moved around like that too? I
Speaker 5: don't know, you just have to start to wonders. They're
Speaker 5: like corruption and what's really there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like if there's a lens in our eye, right,
Speaker 3: and everything that we see gets filtered through that lens.
Speaker 3: What we do on a daily basis, like watching movies
Speaker 3: stuff on TV. They even have our ratings now for
Speaker 3: flashing lights and shit, like in the R rating it'll
Speaker 3: be like tits pussy flashing lights and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so now it's R rated to have flashing lights in
Speaker 3: a movie. And when we sit in front of a
Speaker 3: screen all the time, how easy would it be to
Speaker 3: like reprogram something in the lens of our eyes to
Speaker 3: see things differently, perceive things differently. I mean, it's got
Speaker 3: to be one of the most vulnerable ways you can
Speaker 3: get into somebody's head through their fucking eyes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the eye is an auditory mh. You no sight
Speaker 5: and sound, I think, especially like when you give something
Speaker 5: innate too, which I guess it kind of well, unless
Speaker 5: it's written, I guess that's sight. But yeah, I do
Speaker 5: think it's huge. It's a huge manipulation tool. You know,
Speaker 5: as soon you can put up an image, say like
Speaker 5: a so and sound, they're a certain name, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, people just like attract hate to it,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. You know, it's a very weird thing
Speaker 2: if you think about it.
Speaker 3: Well, when like what do you think Let's just say
Speaker 3: that the real parts of life, like I said before,
Speaker 3: like emotions, feelings about stuff, those are all like the
Speaker 3: real things. What do you think attracts certain people to
Speaker 3: other people? Like physically because you know, like two people
Speaker 3: can look at the same person be like, no, they're
Speaker 3: not attractive, Yes they're attractive, and so you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's everything that goes on in our
Speaker 3: entire lives is fed through our eyes, and like what
Speaker 3: programming do we all have, Like we don't think the
Speaker 3: same things are attractive. We don't see like the same Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, that's probably I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 5: mean that could. I mean, I'd hate to say it,
Speaker 5: but I wonder if that's even like just different.
Speaker 2: DNA really Yeah, I don't know, or I mean, because
Speaker 2: like it might.
Speaker 5: It's as crazy as it is, like I guess in
Speaker 5: my opinion, I sometimes do and it seems a little
Speaker 5: bit of drastic maybe of a belief, but sometimes I
Speaker 5: do think, like the problem is is like living in
Speaker 5: this world with these eyes open. I think kind of
Speaker 5: like if you're falling in love with something with your eyes,
Speaker 5: you're kind of already stuck with like and Lucifer's chains.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I maybe like certain things or just
Speaker 5: or vices, easier vices, but I don't know other people
Speaker 5: and maybe it's in the DNA. Have no idea, So
Speaker 5: you think it's a hard question. But I know what
Speaker 5: you're asking, and that's a really good.
Speaker 3: Question, right, But like, do you think the eyes themselves,
Speaker 3: like there's just this magical component to where it controls
Speaker 3: the entire outcome of our existence, what we perceive.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because brain will have a like you know, we'll
Speaker 5: have a relationship with our eyes to kind of determine what.
Speaker 2: It's seeing, do we like mm hmmm, or how it
Speaker 2: impacts us.
Speaker 5: And then another thing, I mean, to be totally honest
Speaker 5: with you, the eyeballs even project about six feet out,
Speaker 5: so like there's like some doctors or some people out
Speaker 5: there who actually think that like you might actually be
Speaker 5: having like a cyclical relationship with what you're projecting out.
Speaker 5: And then what you're bringing back in what the world
Speaker 5: is around it.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean they started thinking about shit like that.
Speaker 2: It's just like wow.
Speaker 5: But I mean the one interesting thing is though, like
Speaker 5: even if I've tried to explain this before, even with
Speaker 5: the sun, I mean, all light and sound is basically
Speaker 5: like information or code or some sort of like there's
Speaker 5: like some sort of like energy or vibrational.
Speaker 2: Rate behind that.
Speaker 5: I mean that's that all goes into our eyes and
Speaker 5: we absorb that into our brain. So I mean the
Speaker 5: sun is sending us some sort of information regardless, and
Speaker 5: it gets you know, the optic nerve then turns it
Speaker 5: into electricity and that's what runs our body. So I mean,
Speaker 5: in some ways, which is really weird. It's like, are
Speaker 5: we powered by and like biological like solo powered biological AI?
Speaker 3: What do you think about like blind people though I
Speaker 3: don't know, or like people like me that can barely
Speaker 3: see without these fucking frames on my face, Like.
Speaker 5: I don't know, right, Uh, I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I'm just.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck happens to blind people? I
Speaker 2: have thought of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think they would be able to correct
Speaker 3: blindness as far into the future as we are with
Speaker 3: like AI stuff and all this fucking neurro link and shit.
Speaker 3: You would have thought a motherfucker at this point in
Speaker 3: time would have been like, there's this thing we can
Speaker 3: do where we catch your fucking eyeball open and we
Speaker 3: fucking use the fucking defribulator for the eyeball and zap
Speaker 3: it back into like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: something to get like the electric current in your eyeball.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I like it. That's funny.
Speaker 3: Blind motherfuckers happened to be some of the most talented
Speaker 3: assholes out there too, because I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: because they can't see, but they usually can play the
Speaker 3: piano like a son of a bitch or some type
Speaker 3: of musical instrument. And I don't know, do you think
Speaker 3: this is such a side Do you think Stevie Wonder
Speaker 3: is actually blind? I questioned him because I've seen a
Speaker 3: couple of videos where it's like he's responding to stuff
Speaker 3: and it's like, I thought you were blind, motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Like no, there was I saw a Shaquille O'Neal like
Speaker 5: do a post on something like that. N huh yeah,
Speaker 5: where he was like, wait, what the hell like it
Speaker 5: was like a video where it showed Stevie Wonder up
Speaker 5: on stage, and I think like he like specifically acknowledged
Speaker 5: something that somebody did back to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, wait, wait what people kids?
Speaker 2: How did he see that?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah, But no, I was just curious what
Speaker 3: you think about that, because I, like I said before,
Speaker 3: you would have thought that they would came up with
Speaker 3: a way to correct this issue by now, but they're
Speaker 3: still blind motherfuckers. And it's not that you know, when
Speaker 3: you go to sleep at night, if your room is
Speaker 3: completely dark and you close your eyes, you can like
Speaker 3: see like flashes of light and shit behind your eyelids.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's like that still for blind people?
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, because it's like you're seeing through the
Speaker 3: lens a little bit when you close your eyes at night.
Speaker 3: Like you can be in complete darkness and still close
Speaker 3: your eyes and like see flickers of light and ship
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like you're actually seeing more when
Speaker 3: you close your ey eyes than you are when you
Speaker 3: have them open. So I think that could have something
Speaker 3: to do with like the magical aspect of it as well.
Speaker 3: Like I said before, when your eyes are open you're
Speaker 3: actually seeing less than when they're closed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've it was.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if it was because I
Speaker 5: practiced doing it for a while too, but like, I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess that's probably why. But I was like there
Speaker 5: was like certain lessons of books that I did that
Speaker 5: would like sometimes give you lessons to try to visualize
Speaker 5: like certain shapes or colors and stuff. And after doing that,
Speaker 5: I mean there's times where it's like you could close
Speaker 5: your eyes and like maybe almost like start creating your
Speaker 5: own movie. It's more realistic than any CGM.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if that's what you're getting. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 5: make some wild shit with those eyes closed.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that some people when they recall memories,
Speaker 3: they recall the memory in their mind as if it
Speaker 3: was a movie, and they can play out the entire
Speaker 3: scene in their head and that's how they remember things.
Speaker 3: And then some people remember things only in like audio
Speaker 3: and they can't visualize pictures in their head. Have you
Speaker 3: heard about that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm one of those people where
Speaker 5: it's like visual stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like if I asked you what Thanksgiving was
Speaker 3: like for you when you remember back to it can
Speaker 3: you imagine or not imagine, but like you can recall
Speaker 3: like a movie scene, what went on scene?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean, like snapshots of
Speaker 2: like Thanksgiving. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the theory is is that people who cannot recall
Speaker 3: memories visually and only auditory, they're like in PCs. What
Speaker 3: do you think about that?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's interesting way to put it. That could be possible.
Speaker 5: They do think there's a lot of them out there.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: Would you know if you were though?
Speaker 2: Uh, probably not.
Speaker 3: Is there like a fucking checklist like for just anybody
Speaker 3: out there? Like checklist? Do you have this, this?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. I don't think an NPC would know that they're.
Speaker 3: An NPC, but they have like this. I don't know
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 5: Want to even think any different mm hmmm mm hmm unfortunately.
Speaker 3: And I think that they can be, like you said,
Speaker 3: kind of like programmed through their perception like I'm a
Speaker 3: real person because I'm having a real experience and I
Speaker 3: know it's real because I can see stuff and touch
Speaker 3: stuff and other people can see me, and they know
Speaker 3: that I'm here and I have a job and I
Speaker 3: do this and I do that, and they have a
Speaker 3: real like a real quote unquote existence. But they're actually
Speaker 3: just in PCs like you would you would think like
Speaker 3: they wouldn't know. I think I've worked with a couple,
Speaker 3: if I'm just being honest with you, people who work
Speaker 3: nine to five jobs and these fucking middle aged ladies
Speaker 3: that wear the same five sweaters all the time. People
Speaker 3: know exactly what I'm talking about. You've worked with an NPC. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they wear the same fucking outfits. They
Speaker 3: would laugh at the same five jokes. They you know,
Speaker 3: have this mundane existence or whatever. But I guess the
Speaker 3: real question is you wouldn't know. I guess if you
Speaker 3: were one and they perceive the simulated reality the same
Speaker 3: as someone who's not. So they werefore they think that
Speaker 3: every all this is real, And like I said before,
Speaker 3: I think all the real shit happens when you're not
Speaker 3: in your waking hours like dreaming.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So what other magical aspect, like do you have a
Speaker 3: grand theory on this whole thing?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well let's see, Yeah, I could get
Speaker 2: into that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 5: My experience due to the visions and the feelings that
Speaker 5: I've gone through and the experiences that I had after
Speaker 5: the fact, I think in some sense, you know how
Speaker 5: like when they say when people die they see.
Speaker 2: The lights go out in their eyes.
Speaker 5: Right, well, I think it's going back into your eye.
Speaker 5: But uh, also all right, in my opinion, I think
Speaker 5: there will be a complete physical change, like almost a
Speaker 5: now chemical change in someone's body when they fuck with
Speaker 5: magic are crossing the abyss, And I do think the
Speaker 5: energy you will start to like kind of go up
Speaker 5: your body and eventually, you know, even your eyes and
Speaker 5: like by the time everything's done happening. It's me sound crazy,
Speaker 5: but it's my experience, from my opinion of the experiences
Speaker 5: that I've had that death is actual reality to a
Speaker 5: magical experience. Your soul is gonna slip out of your
Speaker 5: body and they're gonna go somewhere else, and you know
Speaker 5: the light in your eyes has something to.
Speaker 2: Do with it.
Speaker 5: Really, Yeah, I mean I've had like the same and
Speaker 5: even like once I started like having these magical experiences, there's.
Speaker 2: Like the same.
Speaker 5: Same visual and feelings I get every time it happens.
Speaker 5: But that's the only time I've ever seen or ever
Speaker 5: felt that way.
Speaker 3: I saw a light.
Speaker 5: Well, it begins as a as a as like a
Speaker 5: pin dot light but eventually turns into a gigantic eclipse.
Speaker 2: That's why it's all I don't.
Speaker 5: Know if you've even noticed, but like it's all over
Speaker 5: my like thumbnails and art now for the show, there's always.
Speaker 2: An eclipse now because that's why, yeah, blast.
Speaker 3: Off, where do you go after the blast off?
Speaker 5: Fucking anywhere? It's always like something like kind of different looking.
Speaker 5: But the weirdest thing, though, I'll tell you the truth,
Speaker 5: is that it does look a lot like what NASA
Speaker 5: depicts with CGI. Is that a space to be?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: I mean no, I've never seen planets or anything like that,
Speaker 5: but just like you know how like there's all these
Speaker 5: like this mixtures of colors and like these auroras and shit.
Speaker 5: It's almost as if like you've actually like melted into
Speaker 5: the fabric of like that scene.
Speaker 2: You're just like part of it.
Speaker 3: I hate to sound.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like I can even like.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I was gonna say, I hate to
Speaker 3: sound like uh, religious weirdo or anything, but it almost
Speaker 3: sounds like Heidi would know better than I would. Outer darkness,
Speaker 3: what they describe as outer darkness with the Mormon stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, they'll be like, oh you'll be cast it
Speaker 3: into outer darkness, and they we also have a bunch
Speaker 3: of other weird occulty things that they believe in the Mormons.
Speaker 3: So what do you think about the outer darkness?
Speaker 2: That's a great question.
Speaker 5: Uh whatever, I have these experiences, like you'd probably understand,
Speaker 5: Like if you go on like Meditator, you close your
Speaker 5: eyes for a while, you're like you were talking about
Speaker 5: the flickering. Sometimes for me, like that will eventually go
Speaker 5: away because I guess maybe I'm so deep into my
Speaker 5: own head that I'm really not focused on even outside
Speaker 5: my eyelids anymore, that it will get darker kind of
Speaker 5: whenever I have these experiences, like it will look like
Speaker 5: it's dark, it will look like, you know, I'm in
Speaker 5: the you know, my eyes are closed in its complete darkness,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, it just looks like
Speaker 5: this blacker than black starts to show up, like it
Speaker 5: spills out, and like I've explained, like I guess maybe
Speaker 5: if you're looking down at a black table and you're like, damn,
Speaker 5: that looks dark, and then you blue on it and
Speaker 5: it must have been dust on it that you didn't
Speaker 5: even notice, and it starts to blow away and heath
Speaker 5: there's even blacker than black, or like an oil slick
Speaker 5: coming out of like a paved road that's even darker
Speaker 5: that starts to like spread out and like around it
Speaker 5: will be like it's almost like very thin bright lines.
Speaker 2: Of like glowing colors.
Speaker 5: Like it almost looks the best way I can actually
Speaker 5: explain it, it almost looks like thermal imaging color but very
Speaker 5: you know, bright and like laser you know, you know, I'll.
Speaker 2: See shit like that. Uh I forgot, where was I
Speaker 2: going with that? Now?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that will be like around it, almost
Speaker 5: like an oil slick will look like these thin like
Speaker 5: thermal bright you know, red or blue, you know, and
Speaker 5: other colors like around it, and it starts to spread
Speaker 5: out and it's like fucking darker than dark, and like
Speaker 5: sometimes it almost looks like very weird. Actually, when I
Speaker 5: saw a stranger things, I think the less they were
Speaker 5: showing like eleven inside of like a room, and I
Speaker 5: had like this black floor that looked like, you know,
Speaker 5: had water on it, and I was like, it almost
Speaker 5: looks like that where it looks.
Speaker 2: Like a black flag, a black water, a goop.
Speaker 5: Some people say, my baby, it's a black go It
Speaker 5: just like kind of looks like a wavy black substance,
Speaker 5: and then it just gets fucking I guess stops. And
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, the dot shows up and
Speaker 5: turns into the eclipse and all these other things happen.
Speaker 5: But from what you were saying, like for me, I
Speaker 5: do know that it does get blacker than black before
Speaker 5: I start having this experience, and that's happen with it.
Speaker 2: But that's for me. I could say it gets real
Speaker 2: fucking dark.
Speaker 5: And the crazy thing is too, is when you get
Speaker 5: that pin dot, it almost looks like a star all
Speaker 5: the way out in the distance, like behind like clouds.
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain, but like you can almost This
Speaker 5: just sounds crazy, but like your eyes will be closed
Speaker 5: and you'll see this and it almost like you can
Speaker 5: like almost, I feel like a depth of distance between.
Speaker 2: Both so red. Yeah, yeah, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 5: Like it's just far away, even though it's like my
Speaker 5: eyes are closed, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like it's hot, like it seems fucking like real.
Speaker 3: And then it gets closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it starts to get bigger too.
Speaker 3: And it rushes you and then you're just immersed.
Speaker 5: Oh, there's a whole bunch of different things that goes
Speaker 5: on before that happens. Yeah, there's there's like two or
Speaker 5: three other things, like a series of events that happens.
Speaker 3: And then after you get to the eclipse.
Speaker 5: What well, when I get to the eclipse, that like
Speaker 5: it starts, it starts to get big, and then these
Speaker 5: colors will come out of like the four cardinal directions,
Speaker 5: and it's like spiraling out, like kind of spiraling out
Speaker 5: at me. And it's like it's normally a red, blue, green,
Speaker 5: and purple, and you'll see it spiraling sometimes.
Speaker 2: Gonna be to your arms with you.
Speaker 5: It looks like a swastika because of the way they
Speaker 5: gets spiraling out of it. And that will oh, before
Speaker 5: that happens, so sorry, it's fucking my favorite part actually,
Speaker 5: one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 2: Before the spiraling happens.
Speaker 5: You'll see the eclipse and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 5: starts look like there's explosions around it, almost like it
Speaker 5: looks like color popping behind like clouds. It's really hard
Speaker 5: to explain, but it's like around the eclipse and then
Speaker 5: at one point it always seems to just turn red
Speaker 5: and as the explosions come out like around it, which
Speaker 5: is why my logo looks the way it looks, it
Speaker 5: looks like roses blooming almost as weird as that sounds
Speaker 5: like around the eclipse, like these roses just blooming in
Speaker 5: the dark back of the darkness. And that's why I
Speaker 5: have roses around the eclipse on my on my logo,
Speaker 5: because it's.
Speaker 2: Something I've seen.
Speaker 5: So that starts happening and then and then the spiraling
Speaker 5: comes out. And I've known some people have said that
Speaker 5: they've seen this, and they they're pretty sure that this
Speaker 5: is considered the rainbow Bridge.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's what I've been told. Maybe it is,
Speaker 2: maybe it isn't, but.
Speaker 5: It is like almost like bright again. Now this all
Speaker 5: looks like thermal bright imaging, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like ghost hunters when they're using that thermal imaging. It's
Speaker 5: really bright and weird looking. It's like those thin lines
Speaker 5: like that just like coming down spiraling, and then that
Speaker 5: goes on for a bit and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: like geometrical shapes starts showing up and like spinning, spiraling,
Speaker 5: like flashing, like all these like sacred geometry. You know,
Speaker 5: some people will call it that, like stuff looking like that.
Speaker 5: This is my favorite part here that goes on for
Speaker 5: a bit and then all of a sudden it stops
Speaker 5: and it looks like it's kind of it's the logo
Speaker 5: I'm using now. Mario from Symbolic Studies made it for me.
Speaker 5: It's fucking amazing. The eclipse starts to like look like
Speaker 5: the best way I can explain it is either movie
Speaker 5: cells or trains, and it starts to look like these
Speaker 5: big rect angular cutouts of like windows. So like I
Speaker 5: had marri or use like film strip because it looks
Speaker 5: very much the same thing, but like you wouldn't think
Speaker 5: it's film, but like this, you know, film cells, one
Speaker 5: after the other coming down both sides. And I've even
Speaker 5: said like sometimes like if you picture yourself like in
Speaker 5: a train station and you had two trains coming down
Speaker 5: on both sides of you, but they were going really slow,
Speaker 5: and you could like look and see like that the
Speaker 5: separate cart windows they have like a Sepia look to
Speaker 5: them all the time, like a brown tinge. It always
Speaker 5: looks kind of almost like you're looking through like colored cellophane,
Speaker 5: like I've heard Lana del Rey and John Lennon both
Speaker 5: talk about like cellophane skies and I've even wondered, like
Speaker 5: is that what they're getting at, because you're looking added
Speaker 5: eclipse in the sky and you just start seeing these
Speaker 5: like cellophane sepia windows with like different visions behind them,
Speaker 5: like or different whatever. You know, it's it could be
Speaker 5: all well, they're not like congruent or together. It just
Speaker 5: looks like different times or I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: I've never gone in or anything, but it just looks
Speaker 5: the different snapshots of time and space, I guess. And
Speaker 5: there was one time when I was actually very interested.
Speaker 5: It only happened once. It seemed like one of them
Speaker 5: like kind of like caught my attention. And now I
Speaker 5: don't have a body when I'm visualizing this, So it
Speaker 5: says if like I kind of floated and like turned
Speaker 5: my head.
Speaker 2: And looked at the looked at the cell.
Speaker 5: Or you know, the window, and it like I joke around,
Speaker 5: but it's like, you know, it could have been either
Speaker 5: one because he can't tell. Like it looked like it
Speaker 5: could have been like Arizona or like after a nuclear fallout,
Speaker 5: and it was just like nothing there. It was like
Speaker 5: desert and like a couple of like little things in
Speaker 5: the back that looked like maybe mountains or something or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that just doesn't look too appealing.
Speaker 2: It's empty.
Speaker 5: And I started thinking like that, and I came out
Speaker 5: of it. That's another thing when whenever I have these experiences,
Speaker 5: as soon as I start kind of thinking of self
Speaker 5: and that, you know, like just that enjoying it, being
Speaker 5: whatever's going on, you come right out of it. As
Speaker 5: soon as I think yourself, I'm done. That always kills it. Literally,
Speaker 5: That's yeah, because I do think, like, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: I think you're connecting to like a kind of like
Speaker 5: a uh, you know, consciousness of like everything. So like
Speaker 5: if you connect to like the owl. I don't know
Speaker 5: any other way to say it right now, but like
Speaker 5: it once, once you think you're something, you're not part
Speaker 5: of anything. You're not part of the oil anymore. You know, this,
Speaker 5: this table can't be a chair because it's not a
Speaker 5: chair my chat can't you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's so like once I think of Nick, I'm not
Speaker 5: part of God anymore because God's everything.
Speaker 2: But now I'm Nick and just Nick. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's like a separation in a sense.
Speaker 5: So I think that I think that's why that happens,
Speaker 5: my opinion, But that not to get off the I guess,
Speaker 5: get off the visions. But like once that happens, those
Speaker 5: things start coming down. If I don't, you know, get sidetracked,
Speaker 5: which normally doesn't happen, they start to like kind of
Speaker 5: go away, and then like it's like a black circle
Speaker 5: over the white that's the type of eclipse, you know,
Speaker 5: where it's like just white around the black. The black
Speaker 5: starts to like lift up instead of like the moon
Speaker 5: how it waxes and wanes, you know, both ways. It's
Speaker 5: as if it starts to lift up, and as it
Speaker 5: starts to slightly pull up just a little bit, it
Speaker 5: starts to look like the headdress on top of Tolt's
Speaker 5: head with that crescent moon and then that other you
Speaker 5: know circle around it. People say it's the sun of
Speaker 5: the moon, but it looks just like the image that
Speaker 5: I'm seeing. And then it starts to really lift up.
Speaker 5: And then once it like separates, the black sphere separates
Speaker 5: from the white one and goes up a little bit,
Speaker 5: it's like all of a sudden, it's like you feel
Speaker 5: something like snap because I got during this whole time
Speaker 5: that I'm doing this, I am focusing and pushing on
Speaker 5: my pineal gland.
Speaker 2: That's that's what starts.
Speaker 5: The whole blackness is because I'm focused on and pushing
Speaker 5: on it, I'm holding it. And at the end when
Speaker 5: that happens, a little really feels like something snaps, Like
Speaker 5: I said to Mario because I was just wondering if
Speaker 5: he's ever seen any art. I've seen David Bowie do it,
Speaker 5: but like literally feels like you're the archer and you're
Speaker 5: you're pushing the fucking oh that way, and when it snaps,
Speaker 5: it's like you get shot in the head because it's
Speaker 5: like that the white light flashes at you. You feel
Speaker 5: something like kind of your pen ill gland is like
Speaker 5: fucking like crack, and then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 5: just like fucking bright light. And then I'm like somewhere
Speaker 5: else and and it's like I feel my soul slipping
Speaker 5: out of the back of my head. And it's like
Speaker 5: literally feels like I just went completely weightless, and there's
Speaker 5: like no thoughts of like anything else except for the
Speaker 5: experience that I'm in in this like feeling of love,
Speaker 5: but like magnified by like a million, like there's nothing Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I can say there's probably no feeling that I've ever
Speaker 5: felt here that is that intense after that experience. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, no drugs, no feelings for anybody else, just
Speaker 5: you know, busting.
Speaker 2: A nut and keep it real.
Speaker 5: Nothing, no, nothing like that is as intense as that
Speaker 5: experience is. It's it's it's something that like I could
Speaker 5: never say I've felt before, and like like there's no
Speaker 5: thought of guilt, shame, anger, fear.
Speaker 2: It's like all you feel is love.
Speaker 5: And it's just like you're just you feel like you're
Speaker 5: spreading out and getting pulled out into like the fabric
Speaker 5: or whatever you're looking at her in and you're just
Speaker 5: like just part of it and you just feel love.
Speaker 5: And then sometimes eventually I start thinking like well where
Speaker 5: am I? And then I start thinking too much, like
Speaker 5: I might start like kind of moving around and visualizing
Speaker 5: where I am, and once I start thinking like what
Speaker 5: do I look like?
Speaker 3: So do you think that's where people go when they die?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I was wondering if
Speaker 2: maybe you get lost out there, if you thought I
Speaker 2: wonder if.
Speaker 3: So you don't perceive it as like heaven or anything.
Speaker 2: I do to an extent. I mean.
Speaker 5: I after these experiences, when you open up your eyes,
Speaker 5: you're not gonna be this. For me, I've never been
Speaker 5: the same you won't be the same person every time
Speaker 5: you do it. Uh, You're gonna come back like understanding
Speaker 5: things for some reason that didn't make sense or you
Speaker 5: couldn't understand before. And it's almost as if like you're
Speaker 5: being shown visions, but like the thoughts are so loud
Speaker 5: in your head that it's almost like you're being told
Speaker 5: and like shown things so like its crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 5: I do think that's kind of like like God might
Speaker 5: have like actually like spoken.
Speaker 2: To you for a second. Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Kind of like because in my opinion, is just for
Speaker 5: me when I have these magical experiences. For me, like
Speaker 5: I it's kind of what I'm doing with my podcast
Speaker 5: of it. You know, I'm getting there now. It took
Speaker 5: me a while to try to get to I guess
Speaker 5: this deep of stuff. But you know, for me, I
Speaker 5: think I have to having these experiences and being able
Speaker 5: to understand things that I see them and know what
Speaker 5: I think magic really is. You know, for me, after
Speaker 5: having these experiences, I have like two choices. It's like
Speaker 5: either like you know, market it somehow and scam people
Speaker 5: or as it sounds corny as shit, but like kind
Speaker 5: of like give the message of like this shit might
Speaker 5: be misunderstood. There might be some positive stuff to having
Speaker 5: a magical experience and that I do believe people can
Speaker 5: have an experience with God with magic, and I think
Speaker 5: it will change their lives and would actually make humans better.
Speaker 2: But I think just for me, after being if if.
Speaker 5: I do believe that God is actually blessing me with
Speaker 5: you know, an experience, that for me, the only thing
Speaker 5: left for me to do now after that is to
Speaker 5: share that with people and try to tell them they
Speaker 5: can have their own.
Speaker 2: As corny as.
Speaker 3: That sounds, it doesn't sound corny at all to me. Actually,
Speaker 3: but how long did you so you had to practice
Speaker 3: at this? Obviously? Like it wasn't like, oh I shut
Speaker 3: my eyes on the first try and after Eclipsey.
Speaker 5: All that happened. Honestly, it was really not by that
Speaker 5: real intention, you know, there was like I look back
Speaker 5: at how this happened, and like maybe if you start
Speaker 5: looking at certain practices that are for people to try
Speaker 5: to like talk talk to the Holy Guardian angel to
Speaker 5: cross the abyss or something to that extent, there will
Speaker 5: be like certain kind of like preliminary things or just
Speaker 5: suggested stuff that maybe you should be doing before or
Speaker 5: as you're working or doing ritualistic stuff to do that.
Speaker 5: Looking back, I can say, maybe there was certain things
Speaker 5: that like, you know, when I was, when I was
Speaker 5: getting to this point of practicing, it was a lot
Speaker 5: more like theoretical I really wasn't like invoking gods. I
Speaker 5: was actually really just kind of doing rituals and making
Speaker 5: prayers to God and asking him for help or to
Speaker 5: change or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was doing. A lot of that I wasn't even
Speaker 2: by choice, didn't realize and.
Speaker 5: I hate, I hate to even admit it, but like
Speaker 5: in almost every magical text, if it's if you're doing
Speaker 5: something serious, it will suggest to like eat less meat
Speaker 5: or actually go vegan. I was eating like a lot
Speaker 5: less meat at the time, and a lot of meditations
Speaker 5: and breath work, you know, those always seem to be,
Speaker 5: like I've noticed after the fact, like a lot of
Speaker 5: like these basics that people I think blow off as
Speaker 5: boring basics that are actually probably them some of the
Speaker 5: most important stuff to know to even have a magical experience,
Speaker 5: you know, because for me like after that those times
Speaker 5: that I talked about that I've had these magical experiences
Speaker 5: with those visions. I never did a ritual. I literally
Speaker 5: just did that with meditation.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 5: So like for me, like I have had the experience
Speaker 5: of having a magical experience and not having to do
Speaker 5: all this fucking shit drawn you know, pentagram and exagrams
Speaker 5: and evoking fucking you know, Hathor or Venus. You know,
Speaker 5: I just closed my eyes and I just kind of
Speaker 5: like focused on my paneal glen. Really, you know, after
Speaker 5: doing breath work and visualizations and playing with my chokras.
Speaker 5: Eventually it always happened because I would focus on my
Speaker 5: paneal glend and I would push it and that blackness
Speaker 5: would start to show up, and I just kept going
Speaker 5: with that every time because it worked and I'd get
Speaker 5: the same scenario of those visions.
Speaker 3: So do you ever think about doing like a magical
Speaker 3: experience for dummies or something like that, because you know,
Speaker 3: people want to hear from you like what it is
Speaker 3: that you're doing, because I mean, let's be real, in
Speaker 3: the conspiracy theory community, as soon as you say anything
Speaker 3: magical anything experience, they're gonna be like, oh, what the
Speaker 3: fuck is he into? Oh what the fuck is you
Speaker 3: know people think like that, So I mean.
Speaker 5: Like see, you know what sucks is that it's probably
Speaker 5: so boring people would believe it doesn't even work.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I think I'll be telling you.
Speaker 5: I mean, person would have to my opinion, shadow work
Speaker 5: needs to be done.
Speaker 2: Someone would.
Speaker 5: And it sounds cheesy as shit, but like, honestly, step
Speaker 5: forward in AA would probably you know, making that fearless
Speaker 5: and moral inventory of oneself. Somebody actually did that, Honestly,
Speaker 5: you'd probably have your head together. The most magicians out
Speaker 5: there because they don't, you know, they they talk with
Speaker 5: stupid shit. You need to actually understand what the fuck
Speaker 5: is controlling your mind and why, you know. You know,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to start looking at where you got
Speaker 5: your morals and values from. And honestly, it's probably the
Speaker 5: same thing for everybody else. Our family, the people around us,
Speaker 5: school teachers, grown ups we looked up to, that might
Speaker 5: have lived next to us. They say things and do things,
Speaker 5: and we take that in and we process that and say, yes,
Speaker 5: that's what we do. And you don't even realize twenty
Speaker 5: years later that you're you're running on something that was
Speaker 5: from like a child mm hmm. And then you have
Speaker 5: to sit there and be like do I actually agree
Speaker 5: with this? And like that's for nothing. I love my family,
Speaker 5: but you know how many times I got answered because
Speaker 5: I said so, I'm sorry, but that is a weightless
Speaker 5: fucking answer. Maybe I don't agree with that, And because
Speaker 5: I said so, shouldn't have to fucking control my life anymore?
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 5: I'll have to still love my family, but I have
Speaker 5: to look at them. May have been things that they
Speaker 5: raised me that were actually fucked up, but they were
Speaker 5: trying the best they could.
Speaker 3: What about with people like me who were raised with
Speaker 3: religious values? Like that's gotta be like the hardest one
Speaker 3: to write down is like do I agree with this?
Speaker 3: As an adult? Do I agree with it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I I And then it's like at one point I
Speaker 5: sort of looking at things and I was like, yo,
Speaker 5: I was like, what's so fucked up is that? Like
Speaker 5: you could sit there and have like the set of
Speaker 5: morals and values that you want to follow yourself with,
Speaker 5: like you're probably fine. Like at some point I will
Speaker 5: contradict myself and not even realize.
Speaker 2: It or or agree with it. It's almost like impossible.
Speaker 5: And like, I don't know, I think at some point,
Speaker 5: like it almost have to kind of like shock your
Speaker 5: brain into realizing like something really doesn't make fucking sense
Speaker 5: and something's off and I don't agree with like the
Speaker 5: way like it's been working for a while. So you
Speaker 5: literally rebellious a rebellious sense. I know, as silly as
Speaker 5: that sounds, but I think you even have to get
Speaker 5: like your brain.
Speaker 2: Even thinking like what the fuck? Man, Like shit don't
Speaker 2: just seem right.
Speaker 3: So that's basically what you're doing, is is you you
Speaker 3: for shadow work, you would write down where you get
Speaker 3: your programming from and like ask yourself if you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or it's like you know, like like you know,
Speaker 5: what things am I fearful of that makes me act out?
Speaker 5: And I have to look at stuff like that just
Speaker 5: to keep yourself balanced. Mm hmmm, saying or like what
Speaker 5: things that you know like anger? You know what makes
Speaker 5: me angry, what makes me jealous? Or what makes me procrastiny.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it like a lot of things, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like I just think for me,
Speaker 5: I was doing a lot of like just trying to
Speaker 5: figure out like how I tick and why. And it's
Speaker 5: just I started just finding like a lot of contradictions
Speaker 5: to like things that I was brought up. It's just like,
Speaker 5: I guess that's just just not totally cool with it anymore.
Speaker 5: I was like doing stuff like that, and I was
Speaker 5: prying a lot to God about it, you know, and
Speaker 5: asking for help, you know, and like try to remove
Speaker 5: certain I guess habits that I might have had for
Speaker 5: the last thirty years that I actually think is good,
Speaker 5: you know, and probably hasn't been me a good human,
Speaker 5: you know, then I want to get rid of that,
Speaker 5: you know. So I mean, as silly as it sounds,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not like fucking evoking, you know, as modious,
Speaker 5: like I'm actually like little like trying to talk to
Speaker 5: God and having a real fucking honest discussion with them,
Speaker 5: you know, and and throwing my sins out there and
Speaker 5: asking the fucking please help me stop doing these things
Speaker 5: because I know it's not right, and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: just doing that over and over again, a lot of meditation,
Speaker 5: trying to quiet the mind and the i mean breath
Speaker 5: work and just visualizing certain shapes and colors. Like as
Speaker 5: silly as it sounds, like, believe it or not, like
Speaker 5: probably meditation, prayer, breath work, and maybe chocate work. Like
Speaker 5: I think people can have a magical experience just doing
Speaker 5: that and they don't have to go based on what
Speaker 5: somebody like somebody else's structure. You'll have your own experience,
Speaker 5: not my experience compared to somebody else's mm hmm. I
Speaker 5: do think, like I'll be even talking about this, I
Speaker 5: think it's actually very important, so like, yeah, I'm very
Speaker 5: calm about it because I actually find this stuff extremely serious. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: I don't think when it comes to a magical experience,
Speaker 5: nobody's really thinking about like the death aspect or there's
Speaker 5: some people out there talking about eyeball stuff. But it
Speaker 5: was funny, not really in podcasting. It's more on like
Speaker 5: YouTube channels, but you know, there are a lot to
Speaker 5: kind of getting into it. But like you know, that's
Speaker 5: it's a big thing. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: occultists that if we're going to go look back at
Speaker 5: other occultists from Empedocles from five hundred BC was already
Speaker 5: theorizing about how the eyeballs worked and said Aphrodity was
Speaker 5: standing back there dancing with a lamp, you know, talking
Speaker 5: about like hylloid canal and shit like he was talking
Speaker 5: in occult stuff. But you know, you had people from
Speaker 5: five hundred BC already trying to figure out how the
Speaker 5: eyeball works.
Speaker 2: And that guy.
Speaker 5: Influenced so many people that like kind of his where
Speaker 5: he started at, like a kind of is what we
Speaker 5: know about our eyes now some.
Speaker 2: Of it is still like his theories and stuff that.
Speaker 5: Got us to where we understand him now real Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: so a guy from five hundred BC in fluenced Plato,
Speaker 5: who was the other guy who made the kepler.
Speaker 2: He was an ocultist who gave us a telescope.
Speaker 4: M m.
Speaker 2: There's another thing. Even with the planets, the last two.
Speaker 5: Laws that people fucking killed over, you know, it was
Speaker 5: the Earth, the center of the world.
Speaker 2: There was the sun.
Speaker 5: You know, those were handed to us by alchemists and
Speaker 5: slash occultists. There were open alchemists and ocultists. They're telling
Speaker 5: us what the fuck's out there in the skies?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's scary because they're really saying That's.
Speaker 3: Why I said, like the things that we perceived through
Speaker 3: our eyes to be real, it's actually the fakest shit.
Speaker 2: Ever or it's there.
Speaker 5: But we have a totally different conception or perception of
Speaker 5: what we think it is because somebody told us in
Speaker 5: a book.
Speaker 2: Or on the TV.
Speaker 5: Uh huh, because an occultist told me what's out there
Speaker 5: in the darkness? Right?
Speaker 3: So do you think like having these experiences for my
Speaker 3: own personal curiosity? What do you think about about like
Speaker 3: organized religions. Are they all just aiming at the same
Speaker 3: concept or do you think there's truth in any specific
Speaker 3: one or like what are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean organized religion obviously isn't fucking doing too well.
Speaker 2: They got much of a track record.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if it was doing that well,
Speaker 5: I would just assume you do. You have more people
Speaker 5: talking about the ship I'm talking about, and to be
Speaker 5: old news, right right, people will be having these experiences.
Speaker 5: But like I mean, I mean, come on, let's let's
Speaker 5: be real. I mean, I think this is the way
Speaker 5: I like to say when it comes to religions and
Speaker 5: these in their books. I think their books are the
Speaker 5: things that they're probably like, you know, the Jews, I'll
Speaker 5: take you the Abrahamic religions, you know, Islam, Christianity. I
Speaker 5: think there is very very valuable stuff inside those texts,
Speaker 5: but I just do not think it needs it can't
Speaker 5: be taking a face value. It could even be ciphered
Speaker 5: shit at times. But I do think that those books
Speaker 5: do have stuff of value in there.
Speaker 2: It's just very you know, for me.
Speaker 5: I'm not even saying I understand them, you know, but
Speaker 5: I do think there is stuff of value. But what
Speaker 5: other people start telling you what it is and you
Speaker 5: don't figure it out on your own.
Speaker 2: It's kind of where it.
Speaker 5: Gets fucked up because if that person really doesn't know
Speaker 5: what they're talking about, you you don't know anything.
Speaker 3: Then still, but you think you do, Well, what do
Speaker 3: you think about? Like I don't even know how to
Speaker 3: say this, but if where you go when you have
Speaker 3: this experience is like a gop a love, you know
Speaker 3: how they always talk about a gop a love. If
Speaker 3: that's like the core of so many religious teachings, maybe
Speaker 3: we're all trying to get to the same place and
Speaker 3: we don't even know it. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's like people become dogmatic and shit about it and
Speaker 3: they get in their own way. It's like you said,
Speaker 3: I don't think i've heard anyone say that they've saw
Speaker 3: something like that from praying and crying and snot dripping
Speaker 3: down their nose, and they're desperate for an answer from
Speaker 3: God and they're so hungry for some type of connection
Speaker 3: to God, and like there's so much emptiness in a
Speaker 3: lot of the things that we believe. But really we're
Speaker 3: all just trying to like have the experience you did,
Speaker 3: to like know it's real.
Speaker 5: Well, see, that's that's that's one of the things, like
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep it real, you know, I and
Speaker 5: I did. And this is why sometimes I think maybe
Speaker 5: sometimes the shadow work is actually important because if you
Speaker 5: have yourself, if you're kind of like balanced, then you're
Speaker 5: not thrown into fear too easily into anger. For me,
Speaker 5: like this, like like I said, you'll you might come
Speaker 5: to like know things that you didn't know before or
Speaker 5: that was like a belief and now it's a knowing.
Speaker 5: It's a little hard to explain, but it's just like
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, these things are knowing or you
Speaker 5: understand it, or you see it so many different layers
Speaker 5: that you understand, like you know or like visions that
Speaker 5: you might have actually have seen out there you could
Speaker 5: like for my opinion, there's times where it's like you
Speaker 5: may end up knowing something that you're like, you know,
Speaker 5: that's that's a hard one to swallow because I've been
Speaker 5: so programmed to think that that's not even possible. You
Speaker 5: know that that's like you're gonna have to be kind
Speaker 5: of like mentally fit. And I'm not bragging saying that,
Speaker 5: you know, I've got it all together. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 5: burnt the fuck out in some ways because of fucking
Speaker 5: with magic, But like, you know, you're gonna have to
Speaker 5: like kind of accept maybe hard hard truths and well,
Speaker 5: like for me, once I started realizing, like I again,
Speaker 5: like my opinion, you know, mofo's are dying when they
Speaker 5: fucked with magic.
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean I started even having, you know,
Speaker 5: problems with my eyes. You know, I had issues with
Speaker 5: my blood, went to the hospital. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: it does get.
Speaker 2: Physically. It takes a toll on you if you fuck
Speaker 2: with it. I guess often because.
Speaker 5: It was like one week, I did it like multiple
Speaker 5: times on like seven to ten days, like itin a
Speaker 5: week's time or something because I.
Speaker 2: Was like, yoh, this shit's amazing. I got the last
Speaker 2: time off. That's another thing. I'll be totally honest, with you.
Speaker 5: Addictive, fucking seriously addictive to where you know, I haven't
Speaker 5: done it since the Scarlet Horse series.
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 5: I have not fucked with magic because it was getting
Speaker 5: so addictive that I was like, I think I need
Speaker 5: to chill.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's because that's more real than this?
Speaker 2: What's much more better of a feeling and an experience? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 5: Like the reason I even use it, why I did
Speaker 5: it during the Scarlet Wars series, was to get inspiration
Speaker 5: and like you come back different, like you come back
Speaker 5: understanding things like you'd like. For me, I feel like
Speaker 5: I was like an overcharged battery. Like sometimes people will
Speaker 5: be like, how the fuck do you do so much
Speaker 5: fucking with magic? Mm hm, of course I can pump
Speaker 5: out tons of shit. I'm not gonna want to stop until,
Speaker 5: like I you know, I tell I'm like fucking exhausted.
Speaker 5: That sounds crazy, but like it will really definitely like
Speaker 5: help you keep going and doing a lot of shit.
Speaker 3: Do I get recharges your spiritual battery?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, I even to the extent to where it's almost
Speaker 5: like an uncomfortability of like feeling like you're overcharged, like
Speaker 5: a battery that's about to blow up, or like their
Speaker 5: thoughts in your head like to maybe sounds crazy to
Speaker 5: shut up the down modes because sometimes it gets too
Speaker 5: much or it won't stop. I need to find something
Speaker 5: else to completely focus on, just to shut up my head.
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 5: Like, I that totally worked because there was so much
Speaker 5: ship that I had to start learning and fucking with that.
Speaker 5: It was just like, you know, that helped me just
Speaker 5: focus completely onto stuff and you know, I I guess
Speaker 5: you know, and I had the umph you have to
Speaker 5: do some of the stuff that I do, Like even
Speaker 5: the intros for the Scarlet Oars series of fucking insane well,
Speaker 5: I mean the oldest ship.
Speaker 2: But like I did all that because there that was
Speaker 2: believe not.
Speaker 5: Those intros were like almost ways of me to explain
Speaker 5: the cold ideas that I was or archetypes that I
Speaker 5: was having fucking with magic at the time.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Was that like one of the only hard things to
Speaker 3: swallow or was it like specific to you?
Speaker 2: Uh? That was that.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain it. I guess maybe
Speaker 5: it would be like more of like maybe half an egg,
Speaker 5: but like it's just gonna sound so cheesy. I've mentioned
Speaker 5: a couple of other shows, like The Whole Story of Enoch,
Speaker 5: like I've seen that, and you know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe I'm even going back to that image in my
Speaker 5: mind and it's just fucking fake anyway, but you.
Speaker 2: Know, like i've that, Like even like I've seen David
Speaker 2: Lynch kind.
Speaker 5: Of depicted himself in season three with Twin Peaks, but
Speaker 5: like there's been times where it looks like you're kind
Speaker 5: of like floating away from something that looks like Earth
Speaker 5: in a sense, but like it it looks like flat
Speaker 5: but not underneath.
Speaker 2: It's not to explain.
Speaker 5: And when I came out of that, I kind of
Speaker 5: like pissed me off because I didn't want to have
Speaker 5: to entertain.
Speaker 3: That theory, the flatter theory.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then I was like, it's not really flat,
Speaker 5: like totally. So I was like, I don't even know
Speaker 5: what that makes sense of that visual. I was like,
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, like it almost looked like it
Speaker 5: was domed too.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: So there's old pictures like, yeah, I kind of old
Speaker 5: pictures where it looked like a dome and then like
Speaker 5: in the middle of it is like the you know,
Speaker 5: like kind of like the flat earth and then there's
Speaker 5: like you know, the dirt underneath it or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shit like that.
Speaker 5: It kind of like almost like something like that one
Speaker 5: time that I saw and I was just like, I
Speaker 5: don't know. To me, when I opened up my eyes,
Speaker 5: it just seemed like very realistic to me.
Speaker 3: What do you think about like the toroidal like where
Speaker 3: we're on a donut kind of and like all the
Speaker 3: energy is like getting sucked into the middle and then
Speaker 3: there's like this whole like bottom part. I'm really on
Speaker 3: that right now.
Speaker 5: I actually think that's probably I think magic in his sense.
Speaker 5: He's even working like our eyes. Our eyes have that
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I was gonna say it's like a
Speaker 3: cyclical like weird nitty symbol or something like that in
Speaker 3: your eyes.
Speaker 2: When like the pupil.
Speaker 5: Designials is then that attached to the lens will move
Speaker 5: the lens and that will you know, pull back the
Speaker 5: pupil or will go straight. When it pulls back, it
Speaker 5: gets smaller and bends back. Father, when it's like you know,
Speaker 5: when your hiloid canal is straight and your pupil is bigger,
Speaker 5: you know that that's what that will look like It's
Speaker 5: hard to explain, but like when when it lifts the
Speaker 5: pupil and the lens will move and the hiloid canal
Speaker 5: will make like an s corn of going into the
Speaker 5: back of your head. And then when the pupil is
Speaker 5: just big it opened all the way, it looks straight.
Speaker 5: This hiloid canal is straight and the pupils big, and
Speaker 5: it's kind of like lowered. More goes like that, it
Speaker 5: gets smaller, bigger, and the thing in the back moves
Speaker 5: as you as you do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know where was going.
Speaker 3: With that, but oh, because I said it was a tourois.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: When it goes like that, the water part, like in
Speaker 5: front of your eye is the acuous humor, yes, the
Speaker 5: acurious humor.
Speaker 2: That is just water.
Speaker 5: And then there is like the lens designles is in
Speaker 5: and maybe the orist serata.
Speaker 2: And then above that is.
Speaker 5: The vitreous humor, where now you have blood actually inside
Speaker 5: of like a liquid.
Speaker 2: So on the front is water, in the back is blood.
Speaker 2: In between there.
Speaker 5: When the water moves in front of your eye, when
Speaker 5: the thing moves, it makes a torotal long stor makes
Speaker 5: a torotal in the water, It.
Speaker 3: Doesn't everything kind of have that design though, like literally everything.
Speaker 5: We even have like the Fibonacci sequence kind of in
Speaker 5: our eyes in the cornea spirals.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So wouldn't it make sense then that that's
Speaker 3: what we're living on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've actually even wonted, you know, some
Speaker 5: crazy ship, but I've even wondered about like you know,
Speaker 5: like the lens an r like are were just seeing
Speaker 5: a reflection of that? Hm hmm, you know, like I
Speaker 5: I've even seen like Janets is even so many some
Speaker 5: ship where it looks like the lens and parts of
Speaker 5: the back of the eye is actually.
Speaker 2: The moon, you know.
Speaker 5: And I've I actually do think when it comes to
Speaker 5: a could symbolism and the Kabbala, the moon, I think
Speaker 5: is the lens in Kabala would be you soad which
Speaker 5: would be the moon would be the lens And the
Speaker 5: zangiles is in because it's called like the machinery of
Speaker 5: the universe. It's the one thing in your eye that's
Speaker 5: actually moving, that's changing everything, is the zangiles is in
Speaker 5: that attached to your lens.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's like moves and.
Speaker 5: Does every like everything that changes how you're gonna pull
Speaker 5: in light or how much you're not going to take
Speaker 5: in that changes the whole situation. I think that is
Speaker 5: the yusouda or the moon or you know also because
Speaker 5: lex light just like the moon. Does you know that's
Speaker 5: how we look at the moon. All wi's reflecting, Like
Speaker 5: that's how we see it. Your lens is doing the
Speaker 5: same thing. It's taking it from the back and then
Speaker 5: reflecting it back.
Speaker 2: Up and then it so it reflects it back. It's
Speaker 2: like tennis, right, that's really mangus, like fucking wild game.
Speaker 3: Do you ever hear songs sometimes and there's like a
Speaker 3: story of the song, right, and you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: a cool song, But if you really listen to it,
Speaker 3: it's like describing a cult as shit stuff like what
Speaker 3: you just said.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like bands are You're like, god, damn, I
Speaker 5: never would have thought of that. Well, like how many
Speaker 5: like bands like you'll see with like the clips.
Speaker 3: Imagery, Right, That's what I'm saying is like you think there's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you take all over the.
Speaker 3: Right. As you were describing that, I was like, there's
Speaker 3: there's so much symbolism like everywhere of the exact shit
Speaker 3: he's talking about right now, like the prison them and everything,
Speaker 3: Oh Pink Floyd.
Speaker 2: I think it was big and big occultes. You do think,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know if they were good to
Speaker 2: bad people, but yeah, I definitely think.
Speaker 3: They were for sure, because because the prison, the rainbow
Speaker 3: ship in the prison, the Outer Darkness ship.
Speaker 5: The stuff they were into with LSD, like the ship
Speaker 5: that they practiced too. You know, they're they're very spiritual
Speaker 5: people to be with. But yeah, besides that, I uh,
Speaker 5: just stuff that they say in their music.
Speaker 3: And you think Journey too, huh.
Speaker 5: Because of the artwork. But I mean, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: it's not associated with them, but what.
Speaker 3: About U E. L O.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's one song those bands are I'll tell
Speaker 5: you the truth that are famous. I hate to say,
Speaker 5: I think most of them, especially in the seventies and
Speaker 5: like eighties, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them. A lot of them
Speaker 2: knew what was up?
Speaker 3: Do you listen to?
Speaker 2: That's probably when it helped give them their.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, well, there's this one song.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna text it to you when we get done.
Speaker 3: It's an ELO song and it's just so reminiscent of
Speaker 3: what you're talking about and what you've talked about before,
Speaker 3: and when I every time I hear that song, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I bet fucking New York would think this is a
Speaker 3: cult edis shits because it's exactly what I'll send it
Speaker 3: to you. But anyways, yeah, I I wonder, you know,
Speaker 3: if there is some type of moderation, like even for you,
Speaker 3: like where you could just like fucking not dive completely
Speaker 3: into it. But it's like still experience. It isn't that
Speaker 3: kind of like what drugs do. Anyways, Like you hear
Speaker 3: when people take certain drugs like their op, their minds
Speaker 3: are fucking open to all this, you know, and they
Speaker 3: see shit, but it's like a shortcut maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, That's one thing I even want to
Speaker 5: mention too, when I actually didn't start smoking weed again
Speaker 5: until like I had all these magical experiences at first.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, so like the first few of them was
Speaker 5: completely sober. So like I just on my show, I
Speaker 5: never like will promote drug use because I didn't need
Speaker 5: drugs to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I do think they could be shortcuts, you know, to
Speaker 5: an extent, I believe it. I think that flat stuff
Speaker 5: like flat learners would actually probably be more more of
Speaker 5: a real shortcut than using hallucinogenics.
Speaker 3: Where do you think you go when you do like
Speaker 3: LSD and shit?
Speaker 5: I think it may within the veil. It's just, you
Speaker 5: know what the problem is just still like normally for
Speaker 5: most people, I could be wrong. Just from my experiences,
Speaker 5: I still have my eyes open, and it seems to
Speaker 5: be making my outer experience more lovable or intense, more
Speaker 5: of a better feeling. So if anything, that's all, I'm
Speaker 5: just still stuck out here. My eyes aren't closed. I'm
Speaker 5: not meditating. Maybe some people do all that stuff. Maybe
Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe that probably might help. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna advocate for that because I haven't done that, but
Speaker 5: I think if your eyes are open, I mean kind
Speaker 5: of kind of falling short of.
Speaker 3: Little even when you know, like they say people who's
Speaker 3: like fucking smoke crack or myth or something like they
Speaker 3: see like demons and shit like shadow people and fucking
Speaker 3: have all these crazy like negative experiences and I believe them,
Speaker 3: like I know people, Oh they're on fucking myths, so
Speaker 3: like there's just seeing shit. Some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: they say is like tormenting ass, like specific shit.
Speaker 5: It could be actually real shit out there, you know,
Speaker 5: you know you yeah, I'll just plug this real quick.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know the guy and I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to like advertise one, but just so people can
Speaker 5: check it out. I think it's called like Lookout for
Speaker 5: Cholie or something like that. This this dude I came across,
Speaker 5: it's like putting mics out in different places and he's
Speaker 5: taking ambient noise and he's like running through these programs
Speaker 5: and isolating stuff. You know, there is actual like specific
Speaker 5: sounds and voices out flying around an ambient air. It's
Speaker 5: kind where it's coming from. But I mean, will you
Speaker 5: as the thing like a Wi Fi and every signal
Speaker 5: thing that gets used, we don't see it, but it's
Speaker 5: fucking out here. So like what if crazy people aren't
Speaker 5: really that crazy and they're actually actually hearing the ship
Speaker 5: in the fucking air?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like I.
Speaker 5: Am hearing things that's real and it isn't like you know,
Speaker 5: how fuck that could be? Like they really aren't hearing themselves,
Speaker 5: Like they're hearing another voice and it's real, but like
Speaker 5: nobody else hears it.
Speaker 2: But it's like really there. Imagine that like in something that's.
Speaker 3: The plot to a fucking horror movie. If I ever
Speaker 3: heard one.
Speaker 2: That's horrible.
Speaker 5: No, but I've wanted that, or like, you know, like
Speaker 5: what if you're even on certain medications for psychiatric shit,
Speaker 5: that might maybe open you up more to hearing these
Speaker 5: fucking things flying around.
Speaker 3: But I mean this like it amplifies it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like it picks it up more like
Speaker 5: an antennas mm hmmmm hmm. But I mean this guy
Speaker 5: like he even like I think, recorded in caves, and
Speaker 5: he recorded in different scenarios and every single one of them.
Speaker 5: In the ambient air, no matter where you go, you
Speaker 5: will pick up like you like weird noises in the background,
Speaker 5: beeps and like pings and stuff, or like it will
Speaker 5: sound like mumbled voices and then some like actually sound
Speaker 5: like straight up words and they're like the like that's
Speaker 5: just flying around.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what that makes me think of something
Speaker 3: that I think you and I have spoken about before
Speaker 3: is these paranormal shows, like when they when they're catching
Speaker 3: fucking EVPs and shit. And you said, and I agreed
Speaker 3: with you that a lot of that shit is like magic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these paranormal groups that go out and shit and they
Speaker 3: are able to capture all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, good shit.
Speaker 5: I do think that's like kind of scientific proof of
Speaker 5: magic in some form.
Speaker 3: But like what if that's in the ambient sound when
Speaker 3: he's hearing like voices and shit, and they're like, if
Speaker 3: it was a paranormal group, they would say it was
Speaker 3: an evp. Oh it's a disembodied voice or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's just an okay
Speaker 2: ul you picked up for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like the difference with like paranormal stuff.
Speaker 3: They go into a house and they're picking up all
Speaker 3: this shit.
Speaker 5: They're just picking up the ambient fucking messages in the
Speaker 5: airy Oh you imagine they knew that and that's why
Speaker 5: they try to dimple if that ship.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, oh, because they do get voices and stuff,
Speaker 6: and it's like they didn't hear it at the time,
Speaker 6: but it shows up later on the tape, just like
Speaker 6: what you're talking about with like this ambient sound. So
Speaker 6: maybe it's there's just like I said before, like what
Speaker 6: we can't see it, but it's probably the really shit
Speaker 6: ever this entire world that's going on that we can't
Speaker 6: like interdimensional type shit.
Speaker 2: Fuck mate, I'm just saying yes. So that's an interesting
Speaker 2: idea to think about.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that one guy that does the Ghost
Speaker 3: Adventure show, he's such a fucking asshole and a fucking
Speaker 3: douchebag with his fucking he's gotten his teeth done and
Speaker 3: he's jacked. Yeah, you know that guy's fucking into something.
Speaker 5: Oh yo, if you notice, I think he's like less
Speaker 5: two of that three seasons, I'd say probably eighty percent
Speaker 5: of everywhere he goes, he somehow mentions how there was
Speaker 5: a ritual or something associated with where he's at. He
Speaker 5: has an odds he has a replication of an Oddfellow's
Speaker 5: lodge in his fucking museum.
Speaker 3: And it's just fucking nuts across.
Speaker 2: The street a few bucks away from I think a lodge.
Speaker 3: He and he always So there's something fucking up with
Speaker 3: that guy, because like, if if they're not getting a
Speaker 3: lot of evidence and ship, he'll start like doing these
Speaker 3: chants and ship and like like fucking putting on a
Speaker 3: whole entire show like.
Speaker 5: That they can't prove. I mean, oh, you know, I
Speaker 5: feel weird. I'm getting tingled and getting light and I
Speaker 5: can't prevent.
Speaker 3: But but like if he's not catching anything. He'll be
Speaker 3: like I open the doors to the beyond for you
Speaker 3: to come, and you know, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden dramatic yes, don't right, and like all their assholes
Speaker 3: get all clinched up, like fucking I'm so serious. Like
Speaker 3: they're either into something and they're actually, like I said before,
Speaker 3: like just tapping into something that exists all the time,
Speaker 3: or like a lot of it is just theater shit,
Speaker 3: and like Zach may be into some dark shit and
Speaker 3: like he's playing a role. He's an actor. A lot
Speaker 3: of this like simulated reality stuff, all the TV shows
Speaker 3: and all this shit's all fake anyways. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Think he's I think he knows what he's I think
Speaker 5: he's really good at like creating.
Speaker 2: Theater for people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's I.
Speaker 5: Think he understand certain things, and I think he's he's
Speaker 5: really good at just playing a character that he created.
Speaker 2: My opinion, that's just me.
Speaker 3: Have you heard the theory though, Well, have you heard
Speaker 3: the theory though that some celebrities and some like other
Speaker 3: fame famous serial killers, famous serial killer victims, actors, like
Speaker 3: they all are just characters and they're all just fake
Speaker 3: and they can get swapped out, they can get replaced.
Speaker 3: Like Ted Bundy could just be a character that never existed, right,
Speaker 3: there's no record of his birth. He doesn't have a
Speaker 3: birth certificate, like all this shit about him, so he's
Speaker 3: like playing this character of like Ted Bundy, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the victims probably aren't his anyways, and shit
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: I even think that about Alista Crowley sometimes.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I was gonna ask you. Do you
Speaker 3: think that a lot of these people who have went
Speaker 3: down in fucking history as these famous occultists and they
Speaker 3: did all this, and they're like a lot of these
Speaker 3: are just characters, And like Alistair Crowley could be a character.
Speaker 3: Eleron Hubbard could be a character. Jack Parson's character, Walt
Speaker 3: Disney definitely a character, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I definitely think some of them, some of
Speaker 5: them can be. I mean, like, you know, the reason
Speaker 5: why I say that about Crowley is because like that
Speaker 5: wasn't his real name, and you know, he definitely was
Speaker 5: in uh Intelligence.
Speaker 2: That's just my but I mean there's enough evidence that
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: He to prove that he was that, like that's his
Speaker 5: name to them, you know what I'm saying so like,
Speaker 5: m hmm, when the oss ended, which is around the
Speaker 5: time that he died, you know, maybe the dude name
Speaker 5: just it's no longer. You know, it's like a company
Speaker 5: that went out of business.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Alison Crowley's dead, but him and Edward I forgot his
Speaker 2: fucking name. Uh, he's still alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his name was Edward something or other. But so
Speaker 3: you think they killed off the character of Alister Crowley
Speaker 3: and Edward lived the rest of his life.
Speaker 5: Out Possibly, I think I think it's a good chance
Speaker 5: possibly even nessa.
Speaker 3: Okay, that would make a lot of fucking sense.
Speaker 5: Because I think a lot of that is straight up occultism.
Speaker 5: I think whatever NASA is pumping out to you is
Speaker 5: actually a cult stuff.
Speaker 3: And I also think it helps you to get away
Speaker 3: with stuff that would be considered a crime, because like
Speaker 3: if Alistair Crowley, the character murdered a bunch of people,
Speaker 3: you can't put Alistair Crowley in jail because he doesn't exist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Edward didn't do those things Crowley did.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, listen, Peter Teel, Peter Steele, Peter
Speaker 5: Steal from TYPEO negative faked his own death to get
Speaker 5: out of a fucking record contract that worked.
Speaker 2: That guy faked his death twice and he's a nobody.
Speaker 3: Literally, how easy could it be to do some shit
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 5: Oh, it would it be for me to probably his
Speaker 5: call up a newspaper and put in a fucking obituary,
Speaker 5: Like who the fuck calls up for a abituary?
Speaker 2: Like are they gonna ask for proof? I don't know.
Speaker 3: It might be to see the corpse, like you.
Speaker 5: Could actually probably put it in the newspaper. So and
Speaker 5: so fucking die. Oh look at that, I'm fucking dead. Yeah,
Speaker 5: what are your friends to go and post that ship.
Speaker 2: On the internet? They're like, oh my god, they got nick.
Speaker 5: So what do you think the point is they monetize
Speaker 5: my show the podcast and watch the fucking.
Speaker 2: Clicks go up.
Speaker 3: That would be a good way to do it. That's
Speaker 3: actually fucking brilliant.
Speaker 6: But okay, so why do you think that they create
Speaker 6: these characters then?
Speaker 3: And like they they create them as like these fucking
Speaker 3: evil magicians that are that are fucking you know, slitting babies,
Speaker 3: fucking throats open and drinking the blood. And they create
Speaker 3: all these characters throughout time of these occultists and all
Speaker 3: this bull and I'm not saying that that stuff didn't happen.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's what people focus on, you know,
Speaker 3: And I almost wonder if it's not just like sensationalized shit.
Speaker 2: So I think it's sensationalized some stories.
Speaker 5: I think it told because they're actually putting truth in there,
Speaker 5: but like they know that people who get stuck on
Speaker 5: the storyline and like the fantasy instead of the actual,
Speaker 5: like deep shit.
Speaker 2: H it's almost like a si O.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it's like you know, it's like, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: this is just my opinion. When it comes to magic
Speaker 5: and I think spiritual alchemy, it's just me if your
Speaker 5: soul separates from the body, in my opinion, there's there's
Speaker 5: no sex anymore. My opinion, you're a spirit, you're an
Speaker 5: angel or.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but like, you know, not in the form.
Speaker 5: So I don't think really sex applies. I could see.
Speaker 5: That's why sometimes they'll show certain architect you know, archetypes
Speaker 5: of like like the man and the woman kind of
Speaker 5: coming together.
Speaker 2: You'll believe it or not. That depicture.
Speaker 5: The Elephis Levi depiction of Bofamet was actually influenced by
Speaker 5: Hinrich Koonroth, which was not drawn this same way. It
Speaker 5: was actually one half was a man and the other
Speaker 5: half was a woman, but it was still doing the
Speaker 5: same thing with their hands and still said the same
Speaker 5: shit on its arms.
Speaker 2: But one hundreds of years befrior.
Speaker 5: I think that idea of that, you know, hermaphrodite or
Speaker 5: trans has to do with spiritual alchemy, trying to explain
Speaker 5: the spirit. And I think that gets fucking twisted and
Speaker 5: thrown out into the public. It makes people think it's
Speaker 5: in the flesh.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But wouldn't that trap you in your flesh.
Speaker 2: Though the labels you have? That again?
Speaker 5: What was I saying, and she was, I think itself,
Speaker 5: I come out of it. I got to remove all
Speaker 5: those shackles of all these things that I think I
Speaker 5: am to even get.
Speaker 3: That far, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's like label to get rid of well, that re
Speaker 5: fucking he she non binary, all these fucking things that
Speaker 5: could even be associated with just thinking.
Speaker 3: That way, it's trapping you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to say it. That's my opinion.
Speaker 3: No, it's my opinion anyway, Boom.
Speaker 5: I think tanks come up with a crazy idea and
Speaker 5: just all we'll throw it out there and see how
Speaker 5: many people want to identify with this today to feel better.
Speaker 3: That's one hundred.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it.
Speaker 3: Those are magicians, man, because you would think like they're
Speaker 3: trying to achieve this alchemy right of like the masculine
Speaker 3: energy and the feminine energy and just like being like
Speaker 3: a like a Kin doll or a Barbie doll, and
Speaker 3: you don't really have genitalia. You're just like you just
Speaker 3: exist and they've turned it into now it's all about
Speaker 3: your genitalia. It traps you in your identity and it
Speaker 3: traps you inside your body because instead of it being
Speaker 3: a spiritual thing, now it's like actual. You know, it's very.
Speaker 5: Even magicians would say being too focused on sex is
Speaker 5: not good, but get somehow they'll.
Speaker 2: Figure out a way to do that.
Speaker 5: But that's even just like a known thing there is
Speaker 5: that that's like one of the easiest like handcuffs to
Speaker 5: kind of sometimes get mind fucked with really oh sex, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like the act of it or like your gender.
Speaker 5: No will either like kind of getting people like confused.
Speaker 6: About like what they are, Okay you're talking about that.
Speaker 5: That or like I mean, you know, some people can
Speaker 5: become also then extremely promiscuous.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So basically anything that locks you down in your physical form, you're.
Speaker 2: Still like using it to make yourself I guess feel
Speaker 2: good too much. Mm hmm. It has to be like
Speaker 2: a balance, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no shit, I mean with everything I think, isn't
Speaker 3: that what the whole point was to Like, if you're
Speaker 3: not you know, if you identify as whatever, like that's
Speaker 3: that's your decision. But now it's like it's become so
Speaker 3: much about the sex part of it. Now it's you know,
Speaker 3: kids are involved in it and blah blah blah. Actually,
Speaker 3: have you ever thought about how things like swing and
Speaker 3: it'll be far far left and then we'll swing back
Speaker 3: and it'll be like far far right. And then this
Speaker 3: is what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I said, we're leaving the scarlet hoar and going right into.
Speaker 3: The beast, because right now we're kind of like out
Speaker 3: a middle point where or not on middle point, but
Speaker 3: it's like far far far left, and we've seen it
Speaker 3: swing now and all these all the actions taken that
Speaker 3: we're super far left are going to swing back and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be super far right and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: like condemning them and praying and it's gonna be like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, get right with God, and the world's about
Speaker 3: to end, and.
Speaker 5: I think I think we're gonna go to extremes. I
Speaker 5: think we're going to go into the bea stage.
Speaker 3: What would that? What would that like?
Speaker 5: Kind of were my opinion. We've been heading. We've been
Speaker 5: creeping that way since.
Speaker 2: The wars popped off, because wars would be part of that.
Speaker 5: There's this explosive roar, energy, kill, death, destruction that would
Speaker 5: be like an undained beast that's like raw electricity is.
Speaker 2: Just tearing shit up like war. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as soon as the even the colors go along
Speaker 5: with like some of the flags of the countries, it's
Speaker 5: just like those are more of like over by solar
Speaker 5: or the right side of the fucking tree.
Speaker 3: So we've been scarlet.
Speaker 2: When the left when the like when when.
Speaker 5: I would say around the time that all the cities
Speaker 5: were burning and everything that was like kind did you
Speaker 5: see the movie Mother, Yes, where it fucking she just
Speaker 5: burnt out and everything was done and gone created and
Speaker 5: then he created again. That's I think is exactly the
Speaker 5: kind of what we're seeing. She's burnt out and done
Speaker 5: and now the pendulum is swinging to the other side,
Speaker 5: and the beast is gonna, you know, create another one,
Speaker 5: and it's try to put it in his image and control.
Speaker 3: For ad But do you think that's like the end
Speaker 3: of the world? Are we swinging back again?
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll end up with like some nuclear
Speaker 5: like devastation, but I think it's crazy as it sounds like,
Speaker 5: maybe not in the next four years or Trump. Like listen,
Speaker 5: I'm not really political anymore. I would I'll be honest,
Speaker 5: it probably would prefer Trump. I didn't even vote this time,
Speaker 5: but I would prefer Trump over Kamala Harris. I will
Speaker 5: be honest with that. But I mean, I do think that, like,
Speaker 5: if we keep going in the way that him and
Speaker 5: the people funding him are kind.
Speaker 2: Of interested in.
Speaker 5: And like, listen, I'm not trying to sound like a
Speaker 5: fucking Democrat throwing out that project twenty twenty five, but
Speaker 5: if you read that shit, I think we can get
Speaker 5: very Handmaids talish eventually.
Speaker 3: Because that would be the extreme right of what we're
Speaker 3: living in right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, and even the precursor to Handmaids that was
Speaker 5: a virus.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: Or like people people had issues.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was a virus what, but
Speaker 5: like all of a sudden there was reasons why Alvis
Speaker 5: like women couldn't like really procreate that much either because
Speaker 5: of it like whatever they quart I had And it's like,
Speaker 5: you know that that could have been from you know
Speaker 5: jams right well, and you know, and the thing was
Speaker 5: is that like when it's just Peter til has like
Speaker 5: funded so many fucking senators and people in politics to
Speaker 5: turn maga mm hmm. You know, and like even in
Speaker 5: Handmaids till it was more of like all these people
Speaker 5: within the government kind of just like fucking taking over
Speaker 5: mm hmm, and like kind of going more religious. Now
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I just I feel like we might
Speaker 5: start seeing that happen in a silly different way.
Speaker 7: We couldn't end up positive though, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 7: you don't worries me with this ship too, is like
Speaker 7: and Trump said it himself when he was talking about.
Speaker 5: Dealing with gun crime, like he didn't you know, going
Speaker 5: on out but he didn't want to put laws on guns.
Speaker 2: He said he would, you know, use pre crime. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's fucking serious.
Speaker 5: And Peter Tiele, who was funding JD Vance paid Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 5: ok Cogan was speaking for him. Actually, Peter Teel has
Speaker 5: paid a countless amount of people around Trump. Actually that
Speaker 5: is promoting him very weird. He is like the main
Speaker 5: guy in pre crime. He's got Palenteer.
Speaker 2: But I just don't like. It's just very like Minority.
Speaker 5: Report is kind of in my opinion, and I just
Speaker 5: I don't I'm not really comfortable.
Speaker 2: You know, you got Elon Musk.
Speaker 5: He's a guy who's going you got reasons to put
Speaker 5: chips in people's fucking heads.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's just getting really like weird.
Speaker 5: And I think I hate to say, but I just
Speaker 5: as easily as the left can be fed bullshit to
Speaker 5: go in a certain direction, if the right motherfuckers on
Speaker 5: the right say certain things and influence certain things, you'll
Speaker 5: have motherfuckers on here on the right accepting fucking chips.
Speaker 2: Because it's Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I actually have a predicable somehow, right.
Speaker 3: I think you know what I think it's going to be.
Speaker 3: I think this neuralink thing is gonna help blind people
Speaker 3: and ship and it's going to be like the Ed
Speaker 3: Rising and all that fucking shit, like they're able to
Speaker 3: see now they're opening eyes. Everybody, get this chip in
Speaker 3: your head, and like they'll be able to like fix
Speaker 3: weird ailments and shit with it, and like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's my prediction.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna get weird. Mm hmmm. Uh I
Speaker 2: had a thought. I fucking lost it. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Is that because I said they're gonna like make blind
Speaker 3: people be able to see and shit, and.
Speaker 5: Like, oh no, yeah, they're gonna start doing weird shit
Speaker 5: like that too. But it's like, I just like, how
Speaker 5: authentic is.
Speaker 2: That even, right?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, it's all just like a
Speaker 3: big fucking I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, these people start seeing like different shit that normal
Speaker 5: people don't see.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: That's even another thing. Why I even stress that. I
Speaker 5: think the eyes are a cult. A lot of birds,
Speaker 5: all right, besides birds, a lot of animals that can see.
Speaker 5: In the UV, it was almost like in thermal all
Speaker 5: seemed to be like consistent animals that are used in
Speaker 5: occultism to symbolism. Now like something back to the eyes.
Speaker 5: They're even saying that weird shit we did it. Saw
Speaker 5: a show called The Boarding Chorus with about the dawn.
Speaker 5: You know in birds and they're saying now that they're
Speaker 5: the Russians or somebody was doing some sort of experiment
Speaker 5: and like recording shit coming off with the sun. And
Speaker 5: they started noticing, you know, the birds always doing like
Speaker 5: their their chirps at the same certain times all the time,
Speaker 5: you know, all every day when the sun came up,
Speaker 5: and something made them like start like kind of like
Speaker 5: recording them too. And like, long story short, somehow they
Speaker 5: realized that like the sounds, like whatever they were reading
Speaker 5: from the sun coming off the sun had like a
Speaker 5: sound wave to it. And they said that the birds
Speaker 5: were like mimicking what was coming off the sun.
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they said that the actually think that their
Speaker 5: pupils are magnetic and it sucks the light in and.
Speaker 2: That's why they can see better too.
Speaker 3: Fuck you.
Speaker 5: I mean that's even not even to pat myself on
Speaker 5: the back. People with blue eyes sucking more light than
Speaker 5: a regular person.
Speaker 3: Will I was gonna say, isn't there something about that?
Speaker 5: Yep, I will suck more light into my eyes, so
Speaker 5: I might actually have a better chance of fucking with
Speaker 5: magic than an average person. Legit, Hey, but I mean
Speaker 5: that could be something. I'm sure that's a benefit or
Speaker 5: it could be a problem.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know. Maybe it makes it harder.
Speaker 3: Well have you seen this new thing you can do?
Speaker 3: I think you can just go to like a fucking
Speaker 3: medspa or something and they like laser your fucking iris
Speaker 3: so it's blue. Oh Jesus, it's a new cosmetic thing.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it either, but it's a popular thing now.
Speaker 3: And you know who, like the majority of people are
Speaker 3: who are doing this Black women.
Speaker 2: I was gonna you know, I was gonna say rappers,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I guess black women. Wow. Really mm hmm,
Speaker 2: fucking geez.
Speaker 3: I googled it because I saw them. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 3: them doing it, right. I was on Instagram and I
Speaker 3: saw these women with like bloodshot eyes that were crying,
Speaker 3: but they were like happy about it, and they were like,
Speaker 3: oh look, and and it shows and they kind of
Speaker 3: take this laser and they fucking they laser your whole
Speaker 3: iris and it makes it this blue color. And so
Speaker 3: they're artificially making blue eyes for people. I don't know,
Speaker 3: just just thought i'd mention it.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: That's especially you know, that'd be the color to go
Speaker 3: for if it's a magnetic thing.
Speaker 2: Right, that's wild, that's ballsy.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna have a magical experience because I have
Speaker 3: fucking shark eyes. I don't know, there's so freaking dark brown.
Speaker 2: Actually has brown eyes. I'm sure blue eyes.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, watch Alistair Crowley had fucking brown eyes or
Speaker 3: some shit.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what's interesting too, real fun fact. I
Speaker 5: bet you never knew this, or maybe you didn't know
Speaker 5: your pupil. First off, when it opens up, it opens
Speaker 5: up like a cross. It gets pulled out from the
Speaker 5: four directions.
Speaker 2: When it gets small, it's.
Speaker 5: Spirals closed like its screws closed like spins, like like.
Speaker 3: A camera camera.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: That muscle that does that is you sphinxter muscle. So
Speaker 5: the same muscle that's in your asshole is in your
Speaker 5: fucking pupil.
Speaker 3: Fuck what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So why Crowl used to say that magic was in
Speaker 5: the butt. Maybe he's talking about your fucking eye.
Speaker 3: Or maybe just because it's like the same like shape
Speaker 3: you think, or that takes like the Cleveland steamer to
Speaker 3: like a whole new level.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's wild, right, it's the same fucking muscle is yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 1: Is that also why it like sucks shit in because
Speaker 1: but it's like doing that through your eyes.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should be proud to have a blue eyes.
Speaker 3: Fuck well, I mean okay, I actually have to wrap
Speaker 3: it up because Colby's about to come home and jump on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's great catching up with you though.
Speaker 5: That was hilarious and that was good talks. That was
Speaker 5: really good talks. That was some serious, deep questions.
Speaker 3: I actually want to, uh, you know, if you're up
Speaker 3: for it, like if if you're interested in the whole
Speaker 3: serial killer thing and the programming and stuff, I could
Speaker 3: come on and talk to you about that, like coming
Speaker 3: up soon too.
Speaker 2: Look for sure. No, I am very interested on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll text you most probably after Christmas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they get you on with like you know, maybe
Speaker 5: like you know, a few other cult rejects and we'll
Speaker 5: have a good time and just kick it.
Speaker 3: Dude, it's a it's a really cool topic. I think
Speaker 3: you would dig a lot.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of dudes on my on the show,
Speaker 5: the occult rejects that are like love that stuff. They
Speaker 5: may not talk about it all the time on the show,
Speaker 5: but they do love that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, awesome, if we could set that up. That would
Speaker 3: be really cool. Will And just before we go, if
Speaker 3: you want to, uh, let the listeners know where they
Speaker 3: can find you what you got going on?
Speaker 5: Sure, uh the o Cult Rejects uh on bit Shoot,
Speaker 5: Rumble and YouTube and all major podcasts. We also have
Speaker 5: the Ocult Research Institute dot org, which is like a
Speaker 5: conglomerate of like people that are on the Occult Rejects
Speaker 5: and people that aren't and you know, provide information on
Speaker 5: ocult topics. There's a bunch of people's different blogs on there.
Speaker 5: You can check it out. And uh, yeah that's about it.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Julia.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, this is awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you again and to all the listeners,
Speaker 3: thank you and we will catch you on the next one.
Speaker 2: Mister yeah, oh hit up. Yeah mhm.
Speaker 3: Trust Colby fucking he's changed my life.
Speaker 2: Could see that. Damn good for you that the pict