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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, everybody. Corey used bloody history. So today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue on with carry Thornley's Oswald Chapter four,

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<v Speaker 1>Ozzy Rabbit and the Power of Laughter. Powers also testified

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<v Speaker 1>that Oswald was reserved and seemed to be somewhat the

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<v Speaker 1>frail little puppy in the Litter Report of the Warrant Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald had what he conceived to be magnificent ideas for humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>but in order to execute them, he needed power, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a marine, as a private in the Marine Corps,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have too much of that. Later he would

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<v Speaker 1>carry out a secret plan that might put his hands

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<v Speaker 1>on some levers of power, but for the present he

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<v Speaker 1>had to use what little there was at his disposal

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<v Speaker 1>in his own defense. As far back as he could remember,

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<v Speaker 1>almost Oswald had been an object of ridicule. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two, when he moved with his mother to New York,

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<v Speaker 1>the other children in p. S. One seventeen tease them

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<v Speaker 1>about his Texas Acte, and in nineteen fifty four, upon

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<v Speaker 1>returning to the South, he found the children in his

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<v Speaker 1>ninth grade class laughing at him because he acquired a

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<v Speaker 1>Northern accent. And after he joined the Marine Corps in

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<v Speaker 1>October of nineteen fifty six. Somewhere along the line, he

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<v Speaker 1>got nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit. When Lee was very young, however,

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<v Speaker 1>and first attending school, he was large for his age.

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<v Speaker 1>A former schoolmate of his from that period asserted in

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<v Speaker 1>a news story that Lee, due probably to his size,

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<v Speaker 1>was the leader of the playground. He was popular, so

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<v Speaker 1>when he came to feel the sting of ridicule, it

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<v Speaker 1>was all the sharper by contrast, And while it would

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<v Speaker 1>not appear that Oswald received much more ridicule than many

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<v Speaker 1>children who find it difficult to adjust to new surroundings,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was especially sensitive and tended to withdraw away

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<v Speaker 1>from others his own age perhaps indicates that, due probably

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<v Speaker 1>to his unsatisfactory home life and to the dominance courted

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<v Speaker 1>him in earlier peer group relationships because of his size,

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<v Speaker 1>he certainly did feel the ridicule more intensely than would another.

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<v Speaker 1>So it might have been in those early days of

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<v Speaker 1>his life that he came to give undeserved attention to

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<v Speaker 1>his image in the eyes of other people. For if

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion of others could so hurt him, then it

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<v Speaker 1>was something to which he must pay great heed. Further,

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<v Speaker 1>as time went on, it might have been that he

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<v Speaker 1>extended this false premise to the point of creating his

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary view of history. Whatever the reasons, Oswald came to

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<v Speaker 1>have an exaggerated concern for impressing it upon others that

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<v Speaker 1>he was not a fit object of their contempt. This

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<v Speaker 1>very common and extremely unhealthy obsession is usually expressed in

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<v Speaker 1>the words people may not like me, but they are

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<v Speaker 1>sure as hell going to respect me. In effect, such

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<v Speaker 1>a desire puts one entirely at the mercy of others,

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<v Speaker 1>be they rational or irrational. From this point on, the

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<v Speaker 1>problem requires merely a logical extension. If I'm being attacked

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<v Speaker 1>by a man with a deadly weapon, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>am unarmed, the logical thing for me to do is

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<v Speaker 1>to arm myself, possibly by wrestling the weapon away from

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<v Speaker 1>the attacker. If that weapon is a gun, I become

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<v Speaker 1>a gunman. If that weapon is laughter, I become a jester.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing I remember most about Lee is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a comedian. His jibes were usually directed at officers.

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<v Speaker 1>At times they were at his own expense, perhaps in

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that they would beat others to the punch. They

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<v Speaker 1>were always witty. It was by his wit, even more

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<v Speaker 1>than by his Marxism, that he chose to set himself apart,

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<v Speaker 1>and likewise it was his wit that got him into

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<v Speaker 1>the most trouble, though once again he appeared not to

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<v Speaker 1>perceive that such was the cause. One of his favorite

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<v Speaker 1>games was to compare the United States Marine Corps to

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<v Speaker 1>the Society in nineteen eighty four. Be careful, comrade, with

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<v Speaker 1>big brother's equipment, he would say, as we unloaded government

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<v Speaker 1>owned gear from the truck. He would also compare to

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<v Speaker 1>the officers to party members because of the special privileges

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<v Speaker 1>they received. An analogous theme of joking was communism. Once

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<v Speaker 1>when our section chief jumped up onto a truck fender

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<v Speaker 1>and called for us to gather around and listen up,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee exclaimed in a thick Russian accent. Ah collective farm lecture.

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<v Speaker 1>He oftentimes referred to himself and others as comrade. Even

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<v Speaker 1>when his witticisms had no direct relation to communism, he

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<v Speaker 1>often nevertheless uttered them in his Russian accent. Other of

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<v Speaker 1>his clever remarks fall into no single category. Often they

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<v Speaker 1>were quite biting, though, and he was unabashed about making

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<v Speaker 1>them loud enough so that his intended victims, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they happened to be somewhat humorless officers could hear them

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<v Speaker 1>in a group. Lee was a loud and boisterous person,

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<v Speaker 1>making jokes or arguing the case for communism or both

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<v Speaker 1>without reserve. Yet on a person to person basis, he

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<v Speaker 1>was shy and reserved. I preferred arguing with him when

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<v Speaker 1>we were alone, because then he was more inclined to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have a front to keep up. Without an audience,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be He would more often admit he was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong on a point, whether by intention or in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of himself. He also projected pathos at all times. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a certain sympathy getting embarrassed about him, And yet

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he wanted it understood that he cared for

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<v Speaker 1>no man's concern or sympathy, though not sure at all

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<v Speaker 1>such was really the case. Despite the barbed nature of

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<v Speaker 1>his humor, the total effect of his antics was more

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<v Speaker 1>that of a clown than the satirist. His humor seldom

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<v Speaker 1>became an effective method of offense. Usually it only achieved

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<v Speaker 1>defensive ends. The exception was when he did encounter that

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<v Speaker 1>occasional humorless officer than understandably he made the most of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and understandably he ended up swabbing, raking, mowing, edging, or

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<v Speaker 1>just picking up cigarette butts. Another aspect of Oswald's differing nature,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on whether he was in a group or alone

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<v Speaker 1>with just one other individual, was in relation to his

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<v Speaker 1>real action to jokes fired in his direction. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to mind being called Comrade Osvaldovitch, and in a

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<v Speaker 1>bull session or on a working party, he seemed good

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<v Speaker 1>natured about anything anyone said in fun about him. But

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience indicated that he might have been different

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<v Speaker 1>about such matters on a person to person basis. When

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<v Speaker 1>I finally said, in reply to one of his complaints

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<v Speaker 1>about the core, something to the effect of, well comes

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<v Speaker 1>the revolution, you will change all that, he looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me with an expression of pained surprise and shouted, his

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<v Speaker 1>voice cracking, not you too, Thornly, while Oswald became a

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<v Speaker 1>clown in the eyes of those around him, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>this is not what he intended. He meant only to

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<v Speaker 1>defend himself from ridicule, and if possible, used the weapon

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<v Speaker 1>of ridicule offensively as a means of exercising power in

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<v Speaker 1>his own eyes, he was two conflicting things. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps most deeply, while certain not most obviously, he

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<v Speaker 1>was Oswald the Oppressed. On the other hand, he was

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald the Great, the future liberator of the entire human race.

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald the Oppressed was that faceless every man in the

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<v Speaker 1>ranks of the human herd, whose life was thoroughly uninteresting

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<v Speaker 1>except for its importance as an example of injustice. Such

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of himself would adequately explain his fascination. For

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, its hero, too, was a victim of oppression.

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<v Speaker 1>Winston Smith was so oppressed, in fact, that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult time expressing him in self and writing, as

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<v Speaker 1>did Oswald, Winston Smith was a hero victim with which

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<v Speaker 1>Lee could easily identify. For many reasons, Oswald the Great

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<v Speaker 1>was the hero that would issue forth from Oswald the Oppressed. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald the Great lived within the shell of Oswald the

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<v Speaker 1>Oppressed already, and that was necessary was that Oswald the

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<v Speaker 1>Oppressed throw off his chains, at which time Oswald the

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<v Speaker 1>Great would step out of the shell, and Oswald the

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<v Speaker 1>Oppressed would be destroyed forever. But so long as the

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<v Speaker 1>self image of Oswald the oppressed remained to haunt him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald could not entirely convince himself that he was, or

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<v Speaker 1>had it in him to be Oswald the Great, since

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<v Speaker 1>his quips seldom permitted him to feel true greatness, which

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald came to identify with true power. He could not

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<v Speaker 1>escape knowing that he was for the moment Oswald the Oppressed.

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<v Speaker 1>So finally his sense of humor must fail him all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter five, The Idle Warrior Experience. I observed US imperialism

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<v Speaker 1>at work while serving in the Marine Corps. Quote from

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Harvey Oswald. In June of nineteen fifty nine, I

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<v Speaker 1>left m ACS nine for Japan. This is Kerry Thornley

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<v Speaker 1>speaking as it happens. I was transferred to Oswald's old

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<v Speaker 1>overseas outfit, MACS one. I'm telling you not coincidence, for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of all the Marine Corps stands for. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope MACS one was unique. Never did I suspect there

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<v Speaker 1>was anything like it. Defending the peace and discovering such

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<v Speaker 1>a unit could exist was enough to give me dire

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<v Speaker 1>reservations concerning the future of the United States. Later, MAACS

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<v Speaker 1>one was transferred on paper to the States, thus starting

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<v Speaker 1>life over as a brand new unit at that time. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it was and had been for fourteen years, the goddamnedest

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<v Speaker 1>excuse for a military operation ever to give ulcers to

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<v Speaker 1>a kernel, it was magnificent. We arrived on the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>of July and dragged our sea bags into the barracks,

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<v Speaker 1>littered with beer cans. A drunken marine sat weaving in

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<v Speaker 1>a chair with a broken bottle. He was cutting his

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<v Speaker 1>own arm with it. That night, after taps, there was

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<v Speaker 1>some noise in the barracks, and when the duty nco

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<v Speaker 1>called for silence, he was booed down. At that time,

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<v Speaker 1>the men of MAACS one had two things about which

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<v Speaker 1>to boast. First, they'd believe it or not, just won

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<v Speaker 1>a competition in close order drill for the entire Far East. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>for the past three months they maintained the highest venereal

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<v Speaker 1>disease rate on the base. The unit has been in

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<v Speaker 1>Japan since the end of the war. Each month a

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<v Speaker 1>new draft of perhaps a dozen men or more arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>and about a dozen or so were sent home. That way,

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<v Speaker 1>the outfit had evidently managed to maintain its salty wartime

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<v Speaker 1>personality by assimilating new members and small lots According to

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<v Speaker 1>the testimony before the Commission of William Stuckey, who debated

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<v Speaker 1>on radio with Oswald in New Orleans, Oswald told him

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<v Speaker 1>that the conclusive thing made him decisive, made him decide

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<v Speaker 1>that Marxism was the answer. Was his service in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, living conditions over there convinced him that something

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong with the system, and that possibly Marxism was

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<v Speaker 1>the answer. He said it was in Japan that he

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<v Speaker 1>made up his mind to go to Russia and to

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<v Speaker 1>see for himself how a revolutionary society operates a Marxist society.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking personally again, I did not find the conditions in

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<v Speaker 1>a high standard of living, and I find it difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine Oswald distressed by the economic conditions he encountered there.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot climb inside of another man's mind, though, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Oswald saw things I didn't see. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee may very well have been speaking of conditions other

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<v Speaker 1>than economic. Far more likely he was speaking of what

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<v Speaker 1>he called us imperialism. This subject deserves careful examination. What

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald called us imperialism was direct outspring of the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>of the barracks of MACS One, and I hope, to

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser extent other outfits. He was referring to the

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<v Speaker 1>conduct of United States servicemen and their dealings with the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese and other Far East peoples. I remember especially one

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<v Speaker 1>heated discussion we had on the subject. I challenged him

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<v Speaker 1>back to back up Soviet allegations concerning imperialism. This he

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<v Speaker 1>became very excited as he alluded to his overseas experience.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever go overseas thornly, you'll see what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, in effect, adding that my fellow Marines equaled

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<v Speaker 1>any Nazi stormtrooper for brutality given the opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it. His face became chalky and as he

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<v Speaker 1>discussed the matter, and he appeared to be genuinely sick,

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<v Speaker 1>Despite this, many men managed to behave in a civilized manner,

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<v Speaker 1>while on liberty added deference for the fact that the Japanese,

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<v Speaker 1>though to them all foreigners were slightly subhuman. The results

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<v Speaker 1>One would have to look very far, and ma acs

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<v Speaker 1>anti Japanese sent him. It was especially strong in newcomers. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in the course of fourteen months, due to exposure, most

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<v Speaker 1>important one was also the most obvious. You don't give

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<v Speaker 1>ambassador of goodwill. It was therefore with some justice that

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<v Speaker 1>was teach you to kill. In the course on my tour,

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<v Speaker 1>on the part of Americans toward natives of the far East.

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<v Speaker 1>These ranged from the beating beating up of taxi cab

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<v Speaker 1>drivers to the droppings, on one occasion, of a garbage

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<v Speaker 1>as a prank. I heard of dozens more, usually in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of boasts. I called this sort of juvenile

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<v Speaker 1>thing delinquency. Oswald called it us imperialism. Since my ambition

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<v Speaker 1>had been for many years to be a writer, and

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<v Speaker 1>with a definite desire and indefinite plan to write a

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<v Speaker 1>book about some aspect of Japan. As after my arrival

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<v Speaker 1>I became increasingly perturbed over the juvenile delinquency I saw

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<v Speaker 1>over the long range effect it was having on Japanese goodwill.

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<v Speaker 1>I more and more came to feel the book I

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<v Speaker 1>was to write should deal with this problem, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as other things centering around the existence of peacetime marines

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan, And at last, stimulated by a chance comment,

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<v Speaker 1>I hit upon the perfect title, The Idle Warriors. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>I still lacked an essential ingredient for a good novel.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed a central theme that would tie in all

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<v Speaker 1>the many minor themes I wanted to handle. One afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>in the barracks after work, a friend of mine who

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<v Speaker 1>had also been in AMACS nine, who had known Oswald,

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<v Speaker 1>handed me a copy of The Stars and Stripes and said,

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<v Speaker 1>look there, on about page three was an article about

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<v Speaker 1>a United States marine who, after getting out of the service,

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to Russia and requested Soviet citizenship. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>it was Oswald. It was not until then that I

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<v Speaker 1>really believed as commitment to Communism was serious. I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered how he had come to this decision. I

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<v Speaker 1>began to ponder the problem, and then I sat down

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<v Speaker 1>and began to work on The Idle Warriors. I had

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<v Speaker 1>my theme. So I'm convinced that the Idle Warrior experience

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<v Speaker 1>played a key role in Lee's disillusionment with the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>If it did, Lee was not the only victim. Many

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<v Speaker 1>men became alcoholics while serving overseas, Sympathy with communist ideas

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<v Speaker 1>was unusually popular. Others found an escape in indiscriminate sexual activity.

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<v Speaker 1>A surprising number turned to masochistic pastimes, such as cutting

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<v Speaker 1>themselves with broken bottles, biting chunks out of glasses, and

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<v Speaker 1>arm wrestling with live cigarette butts between their arms. Others

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<v Speaker 1>became thieves and saboteurs just for the sake of thrills involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Riots were common, and subordination was ordinary. As explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>this mass disillusionment, I have given consideration to several possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Most prominent among them seems to be purposelessness and its

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<v Speaker 1>two companions discussed in Boredom. Few men, if any, specially,

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<v Speaker 1>understood why they were over there in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Much about ma ACS one helps to explain Oswald's behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>In MAACS nine, he had just returned from overseas, not

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<v Speaker 1>too long before I met him, and as we would

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<v Speaker 1>say in the Core, he wasn't about to get with

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<v Speaker 1>the new routine Chapter six, Helping others. Oswald's underlying motivation

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<v Speaker 1>happiness is not based on one's self. Happiness is taking

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<v Speaker 1>part in the struggle where there is no borderline between

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<v Speaker 1>one's own personal world and the world in general. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>from Lee Harvey Oswald, I'd say probably not. I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry Thornley probably made that shit up. Probably made up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of shit. As has been by this time established,

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald was a humanitarian, but like most humanitarians, he could

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<v Speaker 1>not be satisfied by giving of his own charity. It

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<v Speaker 1>was owned to charity. He wanted his neighbor to be

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<v Speaker 1>a humanitarian as well, or to put his wealth at

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald's disposal so Oswald could increase his own effectiveness on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of behalf of others. What he really wanted, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>was to have the whole wealth of the entire world

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<v Speaker 1>at his disposal, so we could distribute it along where

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<v Speaker 1>in his opinion, just lines were in his opinion just lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond this, no humanitarian can wish for anything. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no limit to the power. Oswald knew he would need

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<v Speaker 1>to fulfill his unselfishness, so his primary function to become

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<v Speaker 1>taking part in the struggle, and the struggle in politics

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<v Speaker 1>is always for power. The kind of morality he accepted

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<v Speaker 1>forced him to seek power. How does a recently discharge

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<v Speaker 1>private from a poor family get power? That was his problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a problem with many all alternative answers to

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<v Speaker 1>it that Oswald could dream up the idea of going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Soviet Union as a tribute to his ingenuity.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he felt that if his communism was ardent

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<v Speaker 1>enough to cause him to defect, and if he could

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<v Speaker 1>give the Soviets a propaganda edge by means of his defection,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps he could provide them with intelligence about the

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<v Speaker 1>operations of the Marine Air Control Squadron, the Soviets would

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<v Speaker 1>doubtlessly welcome him into their party. His disappointment at the

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<v Speaker 1>first rebuff he received by a government official was enough

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<v Speaker 1>to drive him to attempt suicide, and later it became

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<v Speaker 1>clear to him that no amount of living in the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union was going to get him anywhere near living

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Kremlin. He decided to return to the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>where if he couldn't run for president, he could at

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<v Speaker 1>least build the beginnings of power through political activity of

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<v Speaker 1>various kinds. If Oswald's plans were unrealistic, his evaluations of

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<v Speaker 1>the result they bore were not entirely so. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>he was not entirely psychotic, and he had been. Had

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<v Speaker 1>he had been, he probably would have been far more

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<v Speaker 1>obvious and far less dangerous. He could not pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>himself that he was successful in achieving anything when the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence against it, combined with his wife's prosaic nagging, made

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<v Speaker 1>simply an overwhelming case. To the contrary, The closest he

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<v Speaker 1>came was in the desperate attempt on the life of

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<v Speaker 1>General Walker in April of nineteen sixty three. In this

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<v Speaker 1>assassination attempt, there is evidence that he was a good

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<v Speaker 1>deal more cautious than in the Kennedy murder. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>hid the rifle for several days after using it. He

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<v Speaker 1>also told his wife he'd been planning to shoot the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting for two months. Two weeks after the Walker attempt,

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<v Speaker 1>his wife reports that Oswald said he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot Nixon. In light of the fact that Nixon was

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<v Speaker 1>not in Dallas at that time and had no plans

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<v Speaker 1>to be there in the near future, it is probable

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<v Speaker 1>that either he or she was mistaken, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>person referred to was Vice President Johnson. According to her testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>Marina Oswald thwarted this plan. It is apparent that Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>by now was well into the state of frantic despair.

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<v Speaker 1>His political activity seemed ready to take any available form,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how dangerous or petty. Next it was the

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<v Speaker 1>Fair Play for Cuba Committee agitation in New Orleans. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he tried defecting again. He went to the Cuban

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<v Speaker 1>embassy in Mexico. This is so fucking hilarious to me,

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<v Speaker 1>because Carrie Thornley is the one who did all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to the Cuban embassy in Mexico City, and

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<v Speaker 1>his path was blocked. But by now he had come

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<v Speaker 1>to express his disappointment in anger rather than depression. He

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<v Speaker 1>stomped out and slammed the door. There were other ways open,

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<v Speaker 1>and sooner or later he figured he'd hit the jackpot

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<v Speaker 1>or lose everything. His psychology had become that of a

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<v Speaker 1>habitual gambler. In essence, don't think, just keep trying. You're

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<v Speaker 1>bound to hit it someday. His tactics were often desperate ones,

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<v Speaker 1>involving long odds, but without power, he could not live.

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<v Speaker 1>For to live he must have self esteem, and to

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<v Speaker 1>have self esteem, he must have respect in the eyes

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<v Speaker 1>of others. As many others as possible somewhere, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was to gain that respect that he was a humanitarian

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. It is safe to say that

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald had long come to value the opinion of others

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<v Speaker 1>on an equal or superior level to life itself. This

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<v Speaker 1>is evidence in his diary entry of twenty one October

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, where he describes his own attempt at suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Step by step, presumably as he goes along gradually from

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<v Speaker 1>his return to the United States on, Oswald begins to

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<v Speaker 1>lose his perspective. He forgets what reasoning led to him

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<v Speaker 1>to where he stands now. He only knows that he

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<v Speaker 1>must have power or death. His humanitarianism is now in

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<v Speaker 1>the background, as something to be brought forth as moral

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<v Speaker 1>justification when needed. Everything else is forgotten in his concentration

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<v Speaker 1>on the struggle, and there is no longer for Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>any borderline between his personal world and the world in general.

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<v Speaker 1>He has become totally selfless in this respect. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>power is not for him is to benefit others. If

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald has any remnant of selfish desire left in him

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<v Speaker 1>by the end, it is for his own death. I

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<v Speaker 1>often wonder how Lee Oswald would have reacted had he

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<v Speaker 1>lived to be tried and convicted. Assuming, as I do,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was the assassin, I imagine that before his execution

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<v Speaker 1>he would have called a press conference, and, professing innocence

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of everything, would have made an emotional speech

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<v Speaker 1>prophesizing doom and destruction for Western society. His reaction would

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<v Speaker 1>not have been much different from that of Christ on

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<v Speaker 1>the way to Golgotha, saying, daughters of Jerusalem, weep not

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<v Speaker 1>for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, on a connotative level, Oswald would have identified

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<v Speaker 1>himself with Christ, translating this emotion into an identification with

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<v Speaker 1>Socco and then Zetti, or with the Rosenbergs. On a

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<v Speaker 1>conscious level, if he could not be Oswald the Great Power,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be Oswald the Great by playing the role

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<v Speaker 1>of Oswald the Oppressed with such an intensity that it

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<v Speaker 1>would become interesting. By virtue of is becoming a victim

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<v Speaker 1>of martyrdom then shortcut to respect, which, more than patriotism,

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<v Speaker 1>is the scoundrel's last refuge. By the twenty second of

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<v Speaker 1>November nineteen sixty three, Oswald is fully comparable to a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle without a driver. His breaks the fear of death

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<v Speaker 1>will not be used for under pressure of his blind

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<v Speaker 1>drive for either power or martyrdom, he has rationalized away

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<v Speaker 1>or blocked out all that might hinder him. After the act,

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<v Speaker 1>he will attempt to get a lawyer should he live

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<v Speaker 1>so long. He expects to die fighting, though, for there

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<v Speaker 1>was a pessimistic streak in Oswald the oppressed. Some may

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<v Speaker 1>wonder in whose eyes Oswald thought he would gain respect

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<v Speaker 1>by assassinating the president of the United States. I do

417
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<v Speaker 1>not know the answer to this. I do not know

418
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<v Speaker 1>whether Lee expected most to impress Fidel Castro, or the

419
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<v Speaker 1>Trotskyite splinter group of the Communist camp, or the Red

420
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<v Speaker 1>Chinese people or future generations. In this connection, it should

421
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<v Speaker 1>be remembered, though, that he apparently took the anti Kennedy

422
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<v Speaker 1>propaganda of both Castro and the Trotskyites seriously, that he

423
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<v Speaker 1>was apparently convinced of the inevitability of at least a

424
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.839
<v Speaker 1>temporary communist world order, and that he was probably out

425
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<v Speaker 1>to gain the admiration of as many people as possible.

426
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<v Speaker 1>It should be further pointed out that Kennedy's assassination was

427
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<v Speaker 1>in fact widely celebrated in Red China. Where could Oswald

428
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<v Speaker 1>have found a larger audience. Others may want to ask

429
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<v Speaker 1>how different Oswald was from the kind of man who

430
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<v Speaker 1>actually becomes a man of power, a Caesar, Napoleon, or Hitler. Again,

431
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I cannot say was Oswald less in touch with reality

432
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<v Speaker 1>than they, or was he just at the wrong place

433
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:04.039
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong time. Basically, I think the psychology of

434
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.799
<v Speaker 1>all power seekers is similar. In these foregoing chapters, I

435
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.279
<v Speaker 1>have endeavored to set forth the hypothesis which would both

436
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>cover all the known facts and yet explain what thinking

437
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 1>habits could have led as a well meaning, nonviolent man

438
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<v Speaker 1>to self destruction and murder. The stage is now set

439
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.319
<v Speaker 1>in Oswald's mind for the ultimate act. Later, basing my

440
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>conclusions on the aft foregoing hypothesis, I'll attempt to determine

441
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<v Speaker 1>to some extent what Oswald was thinking as he prepared

442
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<v Speaker 1>to strike. Chapter seven, Lee Oswald and Johnny Shelburne. Leeharvey

443
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<v Speaker 1>Oswald was born in October of nineteen thirty nine in

444
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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana in New Orleans, Louisiana. He was the son of

445
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 1>an insurance salesman whose early death left Lee with a

446
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.079
<v Speaker 1>fair mean streak of independence brought on by neglect. After

447
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Lee's entry into the United States Marine Corps at seventeen.

448
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 1>His streak of independence was strengthened by exotic journeys to

449
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Japan and the Philippe and scores of odd islands in

450
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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific. Immediately after serving out his three years in

451
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps, he abandoned his American life to seek

452
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a new life in the USSR Rewritten from the notes

453
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<v Speaker 1>of Lee Harvey Oswald, The Idle Warriors centers around the

454
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<v Speaker 1>gradual moral disintegration of a marine who at last affects

455
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<v Speaker 1>to Russia. In earlier drafts, certain sections were based almost

456
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<v Speaker 1>totally on Oswald. As a matter of fact, Originally my

457
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>main character's name was Lee Lee Shelburne. Later I changed

458
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 1>his first name to Johnny. The book was not at first,

459
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 1>and is not, now, however, intended as a biography of Oswald,

460
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<v Speaker 1>to the extent that I was inept as a writer

461
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<v Speaker 1>of fiction. The earliest existing draft tends to reflect Lee's

462
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>character in places. After getting out of the Corps, I

463
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.559
<v Speaker 1>went to live in the New Orleans French Quarter in

464
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<v Speaker 1>a working part time I there finished a typewritten draft

465
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<v Speaker 1>suitable for submission to publishers. After two rejections, I took

466
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<v Speaker 1>a second look at the manuscript and decided to need

467
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<v Speaker 1>more work. I put it in a way to incubate

468
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and turned other things. In June of nineteen sixty two,

469
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I received a newspaper clipping from my parents, who knew

470
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of my interest in Oswald. It was headed ex Marine

471
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>loses Love for Russia, and it concerned Lee's decision to

472
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>return to Texas. Once again. I was surprised. It seemed

473
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 1>unlike Oswald to ever admit he was wrong. At that time,

474
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought seriously about going to see him before starting

475
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 1>that rewrite. He could provide valuable information. I wrote home

476
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>in the fall, I'd like to go to Fort Worth

477
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>for a week and talk to Oswald. There are many

478
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>technical details on the psychology of communism and how one

479
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>goes about going to Russia that I need for the conclusion.

480
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>After considering the time involved the expense that had my

481
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 1>detailed outline for the new draft of the book, he

482
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 1>widely departed from any attempt at even a rough sketch

483
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>of Oswald per se, I decided against the venture. In

484
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 1>April of nineteen sixty three. I began rewriting during this

485
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 1>summer that I followed during summer that followed, I did

486
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 1>some traveling, working as a waiter to keep alive. In September,

487
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I returned to New Orleans, not long after Oswald's Fairplay

488
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 1>for Cuba affair had hit the papers. Oh my god,

489
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>he was involved in that too. That's why he's writing

490
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 1>his book to put everything that he did on Oswald.

491
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what the fuck's going on here. Oswald was

492
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>still in town at this time, and he was even

493
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>reputedly stopping in now and then at the bar where

494
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I hung out. Okay, so here he's admitting that they

495
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>were in town at the same time. They were acknowledging

496
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>that they were together at the same time in New

497
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Orleans at least during this overlap period, which is something

498
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>he's always denied in the past. We may have passed

499
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>on the street, but if so, we didn't recognize each other.

500
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Only after the assassination did I learn that Oswald had

501
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>been right under my nose for over two weeks. Ah,

502
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.839
<v Speaker 1>two weeks. So there we have absolute confirmation that there

503
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 1>was an overlap in April for two weeks before he

504
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>leaves to go to Mexico City and then Whittier, California.

505
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Fucking dumb this guy. In November, I was working in

506
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a French quarter restaurant as a waiter one Friday afternoon,

507
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 1>during the lunch hour, the rumor broke at President Kennedy

508
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>had been shot. Shortly afterwards, as I heard that he

509
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 1>was dead. It was a quiet afternoon, with the city

510
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 1>in shock. There was no business. I sat with the

511
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>other employees having coffee. None of us had a radio. Finally,

512
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 1>another waiter came in for night duty with the with

513
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>some news. They captured a suspect. What is his name?

514
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Someone wanted to know. The waiter couldn't remember. Well, someone said,

515
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 1>tells us something about him. He's a former marine, supposedly

516
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>spent some time in Russia. He It was like a

517
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 1>guessing game for me, and I guessed the answer on

518
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the first try. Yeah, it's complete bullshit. He was in

519
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Dallas from the moment I first heard of his arrests

520
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>until after he was gunned down by Ruby. I did

521
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>not believe Oswald could be guilty, but as the facts

522
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 1>came in the evidence piled up, I decided there must

523
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>have been more violence in him than I thought. Still,

524
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, it is a shock to see

525
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a picture on the front page of an evening newspaper

526
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of a person you once knew being shot in the belly.

527
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see Oswald slaying on television. I'm glad I

528
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>missed it. Upon looking though, at a sequence of photos

529
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that included a snap of Lea just before he was killed,

530
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I noticed the same defiant little grin, perhaps a sinister smile,

531
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 1>which he hid such a complexity of pain and confusion.

532
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Searching my memory and poring over the Idle Warriors manuscript,

533
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I began the job of post mortem analysis, which was

534
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to climax on these pages. Helpful in my autopsy of

535
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 1>a soul were certain fragments of The Idle Warriors that

536
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>were reproduced and discussed in the chapters to follow. All

537
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>excerpts to appear here were written before the assassination. They've

538
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>been selected not on the basis of literary merit, of course,

539
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 1>but on the basis of their relevance to Oswald his personality, convictions,

540
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 1>and behavior. When news of Oswald first began to appear,

541
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I wondered and how any man could have changed so

542
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>thoroughly in such a few short years. A national news

543
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 1>magazine called him a psychopath, a neurotic, a schizoid, a paranoid,

544
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and a probable homosexual, all in the same single column

545
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>of print. Suddenly I was reading that he was constantly

546
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>fighting with his fellow marines, and that in the service

547
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>he displayed a conspicuous zest for physical violence. I observed

548
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 1>no such traits that an appendix of the Warran Report

549
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>had to be devoted to speculations and rumors, in my mind,

550
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 1>argument enough that a good deal of fabrication and exaggeration

551
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>was involved somewhere along the line. While Oswald had his

552
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>psychological problems, I doubt he would have been found legally

553
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>insane had he lived to face a jury. From the

554
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>sixteenth of April to the seventh of May nineteen fifty three,

555
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Oswald was in the Youth House in New York. At

556
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that time he was examined by the chief psychiatrist, doctor

557
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Nauda's Hartogs. According to the report of the Warrant Commission,

558
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the psychiatric exams Nation did not indicate that Lee Oswald

559
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was a potential assassin, potentially dangerous, and that his outlook

560
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>on life had strongly paranoid overtones, or that he should

561
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>be institutionalized. It may be argued that anyone capable of

562
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>committing the act for which Oswald stands accused would have

563
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily had to have been insane. If such is the case,

564
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>then the type of insanity from which Oswald suffered is

565
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 1>yet so prevalent on this planet that it is today

566
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>still within the category of behavior considered normal. Frankly, I

567
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>agree that the man was sick, but I further think

568
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>his sickness was in the long run self induced in

569
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the manner previously outlined. A direct effect of the post

570
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>assassination hysteria was to make anything objective about Oswald that

571
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 1>was published once it did appear seem to be a whitewash,

572
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 1>For with his own faults and evasions, he was not,

573
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>by any means as evil as many men who today

574
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 1>pass themselves off as world leaders. At his worst, he

575
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 1>was attempting to become one of them, and it is

576
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>here that his psyche blends with that of Johnny shelburn On.

577
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>The pages that follow all attempt to introduce those aspects

578
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 1>of Shelburne which most resemble Oswald, good and bad. There

579
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>is no attempt here involved to make of the man

580
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 1>either a hero or a villian. The attempt is to

581
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<v Speaker 1>report Chapter eight the mood of man, his difficulty in

582
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>relating to other people, and his general dissatisfaction with the

583
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 1>world around him continued while he was in the Marine Corps.

584
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Quote from the Warren Report in the thirteenth chapter of

585
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>the old Draft, Johnny shelburn most clearly resembles Oswald in

586
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>general attitude. The situation and incident involved are based upon

587
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>my own experience when I was in the process of

588
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>returning to the States for temporary additional duty in August

589
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 1>or September of nineteen fifty nine. This chapter, here We

590
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Come was probably first written in December of that year,

591
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>about a month after Oswald's defection, and it was then

592
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>inspired by earlier records from my own day to day notes.

593
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 1>For Shelburne's reactions, I was here drawing entirely upon Oswald's personality.

594
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>The final draft of this particular piece was written in

595
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one. No particularly Shelburne's feeling toward both the sergeants.

596
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>He feels in each case that he's made a fair

597
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 1>effort to reason with the man in question, but as

598
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is typical, he finds him to be oblivious to criticism,

599
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 1>and therefore adopts a more fitting attitude of lofty contempt.

600
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Also important, in my opinion, is Shelburn's discussed at his

601
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 1>own blundering and his inclinations to become peevishly resigned to it,

602
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>as if it too were something entirely out of his control.

603
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>All less significant, but equally valid. Characteristic in relation to

604
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a portrayal of Oswald is Shelbourne's expressed reluctance about leaving

605
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Japan according to the Power's According to the Powers testimony,

606
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Oswald didn't care if he ever wake to turn to

607
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the States or not. Johnny stood. This is from chapter

608
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.199
<v Speaker 1>thirteen of his book Idle Warriors. This this whole sections

609
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of quotation from the book. Johnny stood in front of

610
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the mirror in the men's room. Back in the old days,

611
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago. He used to swear when

612
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>he discovered a spot on his uniform or a dirty

613
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>sock in his shaving kit, some Claud's idea of a joke.

614
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Now he just mumbled pretty typical and waited for the

615
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>next undersized calamity. His garrison cap fell into the washbowl. Next.

616
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>He was rather happy about it, after all, it could

617
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 1>have been the kommode. He placed it back on his

618
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 1>head and walked out to the waiting room. Lance Corporal

619
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>John R. Shelburne, report to the information desk. The loud

620
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>speaker said, pretty typically, he thought, what now, here's your order, soldier,

621
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>said the smart ass Air Force sergeant at the window.

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Johnny corrected, you won't be much of anything unless

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<v Speaker 1>you hang on to these orders. Sergeant turned his back

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<v Speaker 1>and went to work on something else. How great it

625
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>would be not to be much of anything again. No

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<v Speaker 1>silly uniforms to get spots on them, he dreamed, and

627
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<v Speaker 1>no orders to worry about losing. A staff sergeant came

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<v Speaker 1>walking toward him, a Marine staff sergeant. How's it going, corporal?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty typical, sergeant? You fine? I understand our flight leaves

630
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<v Speaker 1>in thirty minutes. Good. All these airman type doggies are

631
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<v Speaker 1>driving me nuts. It'll be good to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>this rice eaton hole for a while. Well, if state

633
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 1>side prices are still high, and if state side women

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<v Speaker 1>still dressed like men, I think I'll be real happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only leaving this rice eaton hole for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll know soon enough. How long does it take for

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<v Speaker 1>one of those civilian jobs to fly over the Pacific

638
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<v Speaker 1>about thirty hours or so. San Francisco here we come.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Washington, yep, then Washington. You ever pull liberty in DC? Oh? God,

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<v Speaker 1>the sergeant said, rolling his eyes. Did I hear it's quite?

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<v Speaker 1>The town is the town? Period? It almost sounds as

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<v Speaker 1>good as Yokohama. Glad. Let me sit you straight. There

643
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>are more women in Washington, and you can shake your

644
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>stick at government secretaries and such all over town. Barracks

645
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<v Speaker 1>full of them. I believe it'll be when I get there,

646
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<v Speaker 1>so I can see it. The loudspeaker said, Flight seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three for San Francisco via Wake Island, leaving in fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's us, the steph sergeant said, Get all your gear

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<v Speaker 1>checked in, right, serge, come with me. The sergeant pulled

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle out of the shaving kit and headed for

651
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<v Speaker 1>the men's room. In the men's room, Johnny helped him

652
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<v Speaker 1>transfer the contents of the fifth into a great number

653
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<v Speaker 1>of shaving lotion bottles. Nothing like plenty of inflight refueling

654
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<v Speaker 1>with vo flying fuel. The sergeant chuckled to himself as

655
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<v Speaker 1>Johnny poured the whiskey through the funnel. Hey, that shore

656
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<v Speaker 1>looks good. It was the air force sergeant from the

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<v Speaker 1>information desk. Mind if I have a swig? Get lost

658
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<v Speaker 1>wing wiper? Johnny kept pouring. Hey, corporal, who do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Shut up? Serge, said the Marine staff sergeant. Just keep pouring, Johnny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first time the staff sergeant had called

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<v Speaker 1>him by name. It was typical of something something vague,

662
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<v Speaker 1>but still typical. There was no loud speaker in the

663
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<v Speaker 1>men's room, and they lost track of the time. Submarine

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<v Speaker 1>stuck his head in the door and yelled, anybody here

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<v Speaker 1>for flight seventy three? Right here, said the staff sergeant,

666
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<v Speaker 1>and he gathered up the bottles and dumped them into

667
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<v Speaker 1>his bulky shaving kit. Well get going, Hell, they ain't

668
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<v Speaker 1>gonna wait. Here we come. Johnny followed the sergeant through

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<v Speaker 1>the terminal and out of the plane. They charged up

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<v Speaker 1>the gangway. Got your ticket, yep, serge, got my ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>got my orders, Got a coffee? Staying on my uniform?

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<v Speaker 1>What nothing? The stewardess smiled, like a well trained robot.

673
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<v Speaker 1>The sergeant got in his seat and tried to flirt

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<v Speaker 1>with a young mother across the aisle. Johnny fastened his

675
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<v Speaker 1>safety belt. Got your safety belt fastened? Corporal belt fastened?

676
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<v Speaker 1>Orders inhaled and spot on uniform situation normal? What nothing?

677
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<v Speaker 1>What happened to your hat? It looks like you dropped

678
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<v Speaker 1>it in the commode. I wish I had I would

679
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<v Speaker 1>have flushed it down. Johnny looked out the window at

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<v Speaker 1>the runway lights. You know, Serge, this is all pretty

681
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<v Speaker 1>typical of something. I don't know what. What are you

682
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<v Speaker 1>talking about? Nothing, Sarge, not a goddamn thing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>lucky the engines were revving up. It gave Johnny an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse to yell, so Carrie throwing. He's like the most

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<v Speaker 1>full of shit person ever. He was a perfect, perfect

686
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<v Speaker 1>spook for the CIA. You know, it's funny because he's

687
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>talking all this rebellious stuff and forget about the the

688
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the quotes here from the Idle Warriors, but what he

689
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>was saying about his own attitudes in the Marine Corps

690
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>like complete nonsense. Right, This fucking guy was a teacher's

691
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<v Speaker 1>pet all through fucking high school. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>that he fucking finished high school. There's some really major

693
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<v Speaker 1>contradiction stuff over when he was in the Marines and

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing in high school. Right, I had

695
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<v Speaker 1>in college too, You know, I think I narrowed it

696
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<v Speaker 1>down to like a three month period. He could have

697
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<v Speaker 1>possibly gone to college, like he said, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, he was a kiss ass and then he

699
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>was obviously such a cast ass that he got recruited

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<v Speaker 1>by the CIA at the Voice of Democracy contest, right,

701
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<v Speaker 1>So this guy is completely full of shit. All of

702
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<v Speaker 1>us somewhat talk about rebellion against the Marine Corps and whatnot,

703
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<v Speaker 1>and how communism was kind of prevalent, Like, fuck right off, dude,

704
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<v Speaker 1>you're just making it up at this point. But that's

705
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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it for me today. Guys. We will pick

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<v Speaker 1>up on chapter nine when we come back, maybe tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on Wednesday. If you haven't picked up any of

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<v Speaker 1>my books yet, please go out and do so. I

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<v Speaker 1>would appreciate it. And that's gonna do it for me today.

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<v Speaker 1>I will see you guys later
