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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Oscar and OsO from Westminster, California. I

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played mild Square golf course. This is Golf Smarter number

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one thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, golf is about making a movement consistently enough so

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you can plan your next movement. If you are trying

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to guess what your next swing is going to be,

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because you're trying to work through the permutations of the

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ninth variable on the backswing, you're not going to be good.

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But someone like him who simplifies it and makes it one.

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Think Tony's another one. You know, block your arm against

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your chest and turn. Okay, that's easy enough to repeat

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doing that For the average golfer, they start to hit

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the same shot over and over and now there's scorers

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start to drop because they're not thinking swing thoughts.

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Speaker 1: They're not playing.

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Speaker 2: Golf swing on the golf course because they've got a method.

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You know, if someone went to gym and said, hey,

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this works for me, I love that. It's all about

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playing better golf. It's not about a certain method. It's

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not about which instructor is the best. It's about how

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to get people to play better golf.

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Speaker 1: The future of simulator golf to grow the game with

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Jason Chambers of the Onyx Golf Academy. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Jason, Hi, Fred, how

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are you. I'm doing great today. I'm glad that you're

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here because I want to. I want to talk to

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you about a couple of different things that you're involved in.

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But the first I got to get right to it.

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You you registered on my website to be a potential guest.

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I was hoping that's what you were trying to do,

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and then you wrote me this beautiful letter and I got, oh,

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this is something I want to talk about. You work

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in Orange care On in California, at a place called

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the Onyx Golf Academy. Yes, sir, and I went online

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and looked it up and it's all golf simulators. This

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is not green grass golf.

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Speaker 2: No, sir.

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Speaker 1: How's business in Orange County.

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Speaker 2: It's great, which is.

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Speaker 1: Amazing because Orange County is a twelve month of year

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golf place.

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Speaker 2: It is, but there's we're not growing anymore land, so

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all of the golf courses here are full of the time.

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So people who don't have the ability to be at

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a private club, or even some who are at private clubs,

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they need a place to play in practice, you know.

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And people in Orange County are notorious for being really

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comfortable at sixty eight, sixty nine, and seventy degrees, but

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outside of that it gets a little little dicey. So

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our owner built a facility that's the second to none.

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He spent probably too much money on it, at least

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that's what he tells me. But it do we you know,

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we've got TrackMan facility. Everything is is is done to

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the nth degree, so we have the best equipment, we

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have a great environment. We've got bays that are wide

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enough where you don't have to worry about hitting the

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ceiling or hitting the in the sidewalls, which in some

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I Betty and I feel a little nervous. But yes,

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it is indoor golf, and for someone who grew up

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loving the game of golf and had a lot of

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experiences traveling around playing golf, it is a different experience.

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Speaker 1: Let's call it simulator golf as opposed to indoor golf.

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Simulator golf really explains indoor golf as what does that

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mean other than miniature golf. But let's in Orange County,

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and I know, in Orange County right next to Los

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Angeles County and in Los Angeles golf is if you're

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not a member of a private club, you live in

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the Los Angeles Greater Loss Angela's area, you're going to

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have to travel at least an hour to find a

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public golf course. There's very few, and the ones that

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are there, if they're city run, they're you know, they're

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not in great shape. I've played Rancho Park a couple

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of times in Los Angeles and it's a great track,

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but it's not in great shape now.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the hard part. Is you get, you know,

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you either get a really good track that's in bad shape,

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or you get, you know, here's one hundred and ninety

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five dollars for your eighteen hole round at the Muni

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Orange County who can afford that, but there's a lot

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who can't, and they want to have you know, they

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also have families, they have jobs, they have all those

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other things that.

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Speaker 1: Get in the way of golf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean golf is golf takes up five to

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six hours, so you know, I think the niche that

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that simulator golf is taking is you can play eighteen

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holes with your friends, have a couple of beers, and

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play a pebble beach in under a couple hours.

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Speaker 1: And not have any gooseboop under your shoes.

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Speaker 2: You know, they don't allow them to pebble. I don't think,

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but yeah, no, it's uh so it's a different experience.

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where I have to kind of manage people's expectations because

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when you're indoors, you have a perfect lie. You have

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you know, you don't have any wind, you don't have

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any there's no consequences, you know, it's kind of like

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being on the range, but even less consequences, you don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no uneven lies.

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Speaker 2: When when I have a student who's struggling, I'm like,

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you're look, even if you hit this great, you're only

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going to hit this eight feet, so you know, you

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you don't have you know, there's no consequences. But that said,

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you can make it a laboratory where you can work

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on what people need to feel and need to pay

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attention to where they're not worried about the consequences, you know.

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Speaker 1: M M are there areas in Orange County that have

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like nine hole courses, executive you know, part three and

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part four courses.

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Speaker 2: There's a few around here. And in fact, when I

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do playing lessons, I enjoy taking people to those, like

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more executive courses. Oh okay, I wish we had hundreds

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more of those, in a lot less you know, championship

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quote unquote golf courses, because most of the people playing

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golf shouldn't be playing championship golf courses. They should be

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out there enjoying. The one here is called OsO Creek,

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and it you know, there's I think they have fourteen

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par threes and four par fours, but they have some

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of the best green complexes in the area. So when

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I want to show someone how to play golf, we

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go there. We'll drop a couple of balls around the

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around the greens and let them learn how to put

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the ball in the hole. You know. And you know,

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Hazeltem but there's a little par three course right next

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to hazelteen that I got. That was the one I

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got to play a lot. There's a public, little little

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golf course. They just redid it a couple of years ago,

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but I loved that because you can go out there

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in an hour ninety minutes and play golf with your

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friends and be done off doing something else already. So

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you know, it's I think that that niche is is

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tough because it's tough to get the volume in to

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make money, but it's it's something that if we can,

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if we had a perfect world, we have practice short

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game areas and more short courses.

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Speaker 1: Right. I frequently will say that there's a huge difference

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between hitting balls and playing golf.

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Speaker 2: Oh, most definitely. Right.

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Speaker 1: So, but when you're playing simulator golf, are you playing

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golf or you hitting balls?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And no?

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Speaker 1: All right, because.

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Speaker 2: Again you can you can make you can your decision making. Okay,

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I've got some junior students where you know, we'll use

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the track Man performance range and it cycles up different

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lengths between let's say fifty and one hundred and fifty yards,

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and we can talk about target selection, and we can

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talk about hey, there's a lot of room over there,

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don't you know. You normally hit it to the left.

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room is and you can make make your mistake and

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still be in good shape. So you can train yourself

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with lower consequences to do the to do the right

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decision and get into the process of making the decision.

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Speaker 1: You know what we call that?

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Speaker 2: What's up? You know what we call that? Yeah? There

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you go, there you go. I mean, that's you know.

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One of the things that I've always enjoyed listened to

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yours is is that you do bring on guests who

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really help out all levels of golfers. You know, it's

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not focused on just beginners or just two or place,

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but everybody can learn from that, that kind of thinking,

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you know, and you've done a really good job with that.

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So thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's very kind. I really appreciate that. But you know,

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doing as many shows as I've done now and with

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my attention issues, I can't talk about the same topic

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every week. I love mixing it up, and that's you know,

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you do it long enough, mixing it up becomes an asset.

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Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, I couldn't teach the same players every week.

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I enjoy new golfers because it's like a new puzzle.

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every week over and over, you kind of know what's

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going to happening before you get there. So I understand

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exactly what you're saying with that.

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Speaker 1: In the simulator golf at Onyx, do you guys have

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some of the courses that are local so somebody may

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get to practice a local course or are they just

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getting to play, you know, like the big name golf courses.

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Speaker 2: So with track Man they don't do that. There are

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other softwares out there. I worked with golf Tech and

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they had they were with skytrack and you could actually

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pick up almost a golf course and say, hey, oh

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you're struggling with a third hole over here at Codo,

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we'll we'll we'll pop that up and oh look at this,

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it looks just like it does, so you could practice

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their te shot. You could practice. I think that's a

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huge advantage, is what you just suggested, being able to

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play your golf course or the upcoming golf course you're

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going to play, to be able to try shots out

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Speaker 1: So and I'm sure that you get a lot of

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people coming in for a lesson that say, you know what,

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I'm playing at a charity tournament this week next week,

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and I haven't hit a ball in a year and

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a half, and I just make me better so I

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cannot embarrass myself. It would be great if you can

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have them hit like, okay, let's play the course that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I like that about Skytrack, but track Man

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is they're more proprietary, and they do they have all

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of the big name courses. I mean, there's a lot

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of beautiful stuff, but it's not as easy to go into,

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you know, the local golf course to pick it out.

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it's really helpful to be able to walk people through that.

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and then picking the right targets on just about any

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golf course. Because I've played a lot of golf courses

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and we know that that you're you're gonna have to

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make a different selection every time you go.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to see TGL this past year.

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Speaker 2: I watched the first couple of weeks, but being on

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the West Coast, I've listened to it on XM radio

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on the way home because by the time it's it's

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on there, they go on at six o'clock East Coast,

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and you know that's three four.

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Speaker 1: It's been four o'clock West Coast, or even three o'clock

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one of them with three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean it's it's kind of like watching

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Red Sox baseball. I don't get a chance to do

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any of that because it's it's it's over by the

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time I'm done with work. So you know, I've listened

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to it. I think it's a unique product. I don't

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know if it has the the standing that that golf will,

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but you know, I've been wrong about things before as well.

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Speaker 1: Personally, I think it has a tremendous amount of potential

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to grow the game. And you know, when you talk

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the discussion is green grass and as you said, we're

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running out of land here. But also with the new

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generation of golfers, they don't like they're not going to

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watch four days of golf over the weekend right on TV,

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but give them two hours on Monday night of some

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you know, high level golfers playing simulators that they can

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relate to. I think I think TGL has a tremendous

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amount of I think the opportunity to grow the game

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through that and places like Onyx, like your simulator shop,

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right combined, I think people can walk and go, wait

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a minute, we can do this socially. We can you know,

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we don't have to spend all day and we can

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suck and it's okay. We're not slowing the people behind

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us right right. You know, to talk about pace of

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play issues which are top of mind for so many

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people these days. You're not going to have that in

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simulator golf. No.

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Speaker 2: And I think you're right. I think it will bring

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the game to some some different people. I think the

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other benefit is, you know, when I was a caddied

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Azel team, we did corporate outings and so you'd rent

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the course out and it's you get it for the

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whole day. You can have corporate outings. If they build

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some more TGL stadiums, you know, oh look, Tiger played here.

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You can hit the same shots from the same spot

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in the same holes. And you know, it could also

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be like a cocktail party, so a corporation could come

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in there and they could start to do that. You

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could do it for birthday parties and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I think Top Golf kind of showed that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Top Golf is it got people

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into a different way of thinking. You know now that

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the PGA separates you know, off course and on course

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when they do statistics. You know, I'm an off course

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of course, but you know Top golf was that was

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the first one where they got people to start thinking, oh,

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I'm gonna go play golf. Well, these are people you

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wouldn't ever see it at a golf up, they wouldn't

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spend time. But date night it's a great time to

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go out, and it gets people into playing golf.

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Speaker 1: And will you know, I heard somebody make a very

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compelling argument about that. It's like, you know, you see

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a lot of people going to bowling alleys, but how

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many of them are buying bowling balls?

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Speaker 2: Correct? Right?

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of like the top golf concept is

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like you see a lot of people going to having

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a lot of fun at top golf. But they give

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you clubs just like they give you bowling balls. Are

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they going out and saying, you know, I really want

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to pursue this. It's probably a small fraction, but it

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you know, it's not it's not changing the face of

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the game.

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Speaker 2: No. And I think their numbers have started to level off.

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I mean Gallaway just sent them out for for purchase,

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so you know, I think, you know, it's just like

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indoor golf or like the simulator golf. Thank you, we're

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gonna we're going to hit a point where it saturates

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and then there will be on the next thing. As

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as someone who loves the game of golf, there's always

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going to be green grass golf though. I mean, there's

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there's nothing better than being on the golf course, new experience,

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being outside. I mean that's what it was meant to be, absolutely,

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but you know, to get experiences where you could still

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play golf and still enjoy time with your friends. I

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think that the simulator golf that is happening right now

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is a really really good.

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Speaker 1: Alternative and it's getting better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, much better, much better. They're they're even working on

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places right now where you can work on short game

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shots you know, you know and and you know, building

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bunkers and things like that. I mean the TGL is

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a great example of that. You know, they've they've got granted,

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they've got that green that spins around and has the

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you know, has bunkers in it and you can play

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it there. But I mean if even that the three

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different t's, you know, where you have the fair way,

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the rough and the and the bunker, it gives you

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all of the shots you see on the golf course. Right,

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So is is it the same as golf? Not at all,

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But it's a really cool version of it that I

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think you're right for. This generation is going to bring

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some more people in, which is what we always talk about.

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Speaker 1: Right right right, I mean, how much does it cost

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for let's just say a foursome to come in and

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play for two hours at onyx.

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Speaker 2: So we we rented, We rent the bay by the hour.

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We don't rent per person, so oh wow, Green Speeds

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you know, we charge we charge I think seventy dollars

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for average bay per hour, so it's not it's not cheap.

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Speaker 1: So you can play Pebble Beach for seventy bucks and

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have a foresome playing right, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's right. Go there, you go when

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you do that. Now, you know, we've got towers of

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beer and we've got you know, a small restaurant, so

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you know, people.

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Speaker 1: Can enjoy their time, right, And they're not drivers carts

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into the water.

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Speaker 2: What's that.

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Speaker 1: They're not driving golf carts into the water.

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Speaker 2: Not yet. No one's a lot of cart in our facility.

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It was just good. We're walking only while standing only,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but I'm sure it's very comfortable for

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your your group to be sitting there. You'd probably have

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nice lounges and bar service. And it really answers a

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lot of questions I think.

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Speaker 2: I you know, yeah, Jonathan who built it, he did

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a great job. You know, each little station has its

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own little bar with with with four seats, so the

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bays are widening up to four seats with a bar

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so you can look out over your your friends you can.

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And it's also our way that we got safety, so

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we didn't have people wandering in there. We were like, okay,

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we'll put you just have to stay behind the bar

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so nobody gets hit. Because that's the other thing withindoor

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golf is where do you go. You gotta have you know,

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you got to have a lot of things like that

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where you think about it. But no, he did a

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great job building our facility, and it's you know, you

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go in there on a Wednesday night when it's raining,

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and you know it's it's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, in Orange County, Yeah, it's rain three.

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Speaker 2: Days a year. Okay, it threatens to rain. We all

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go inside anyways, So.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Oh my god, it's sixty one degrees. Get

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my parka.

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Speaker 2: If it's if it's not sixty eight, sixty nine or seventy,

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there's a problem. It's either too cold or too hot.

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Speaker 1: Then about a year or so ago, I went to

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uh I was at New York for a wedding and

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it was at the Brooklyn Bowl. I don't know if

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you're familiar with this place, but it was a bar

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concert venue with six lanes of bowling. Oh wow, right,

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and it was so much fun. We went and here

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we are in suiting time for this nice wedding and

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we're there's this band just ripping it to shreds over

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on a stage over to the left, but we're bowling,

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and then over here there's people playing you know, there's

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casino games going on, so they're playing cards, and then

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there's the bar is full and people are having a blast.

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And recently that Baff and Beyond closed up over in

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an area near me, and I looked at it and went,

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concert venue, bowling alley, golf simulators, ping pong tables, come on.

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I think we've got an idea. I think putting bowling

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and golf simulators in one place and then also making

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it a music venue, bar, restaurant type of thing. I

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think has I think it's only my idea, and we'll

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never get past this.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. At some point someone was like, hey,

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you'll just hit a ball into a screen and it'll

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project it. Nobody would have thought that was an idea

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that would go with either, and now it's a major

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part of the industry.

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Speaker 1: I just let's get into your golf instruction and your

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thoughts and your methods. I mean, you've heard a lot

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of the instructors that we've had on Golf Smart, and

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again I appreciate that very much. The thing about this

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program that's shocked me more than anything is the amount

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of instructors that use this as continuing education because they

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get they get to hear, you know, so many different

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instructors and talk about their methods.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what your what your program is really

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good at is? You know? Butch Harmon is on the

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golf channel all the time. You know, there's there's a

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lot of these same names you're hearing there, and they're

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they're kind of saying the same thing. And you've brought

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instructors on who are completely diametrically opposed to each other,

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but they offer people a different solution because no matter

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what system you teach, it doesn't work for everyone, right,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: And and now even the knock on on Ben Hogan's book, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean there's you know, everybody wants to knock

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on somebody else's instruction. And frankly, I've used myself as

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a guinea pig and to try different systems. And you know,

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I I will admit, as much as I hate too,

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I watch some YouTube golf, which can kill people, but

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I use it as entertainment and learning because it gets

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new ideas. It talks about how to teach different people

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different things. It gives people different feels. Some of it

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I think is wrong, but most of it. If your

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problem matches what they're talking about is really good. The

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problem is most people don't know what their actual problem is.

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So you go on there and you watch about how

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to hit a big draw from this guy and you're

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already hitting a slinging slab hook. Well, that's not going

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to make you better. So I think, you know, just

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random instruction stuff. I do it. I post stuff on line.

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But you've got to be careful with what you pay

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attention to. And the benefit of having a good instructor

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is having someone who's right there in front of you

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and is going through his mental checklist to say, this

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is really what's important. I'm doing triage on my swing evaluation.

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Every time I meet with somebody, I'm doing triage. What

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is the most important thing that's going to make this

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golfer better? You know? And I wouldn't say I have

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one system, but my system is that I want to

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find out what's going to make you better, and depending

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upon whether you want to be a development golfer or

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you wanted just a quick fix, then we find something,

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you know, that works for you. I mean, we're in

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a service industry, We're not you know, this is not academ.

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Speaker 1: Yet right right, Are there any instructors on YouTube that

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you were like, this guy's good. I like this one.

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Speaker 2: It eight cycles through. You know, I I don't. I

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don't like to pick and pick one because then it

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eliminates everybody else. Okay, you know, you know there's this guy,

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Jason Chambers. He's really good on YouTube. But you know,

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you know, I've learned a lot from people, from different people,

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and some of it is, you know, meant for one

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type of body. Some of it's meant for way more

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athletic people. I mean, the modern golf swing hurts a

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lot of people, you know. And everybody's need for chasing

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speed hurts a lot of people because they don't have

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the body to do it. You know, I don't have

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the body to swing one hundred and thirty miles an hour.

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I've got one student who's a fitness trainer, and he can.

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He can ramp it up, and he's got the muscles

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and he's got the ability to support that speed. But

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if I got someone who a woman who's in her

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late fifties to try and go for one hundred and

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twenty mile hour swing speed, she will break. So it's

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finding what what person you know what that person needs

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and what they can do, and and being honest with them.

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I think, you know, that's the biggest thing I've had

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students tell me, Hey, you know, my younger instructor wouldn't

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communicate with me what what was really necessary because they

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were afraid they were defend me. And I'm like, look,

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I don't want to be your friend. I want to

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tell you what you need to do and and and

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do it, you know, and and if it hurts your feelings,

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I'm sorry, but you need to fix this, So, you know,

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I think that was one of the coolest things I

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listened to podcast was Martin Chuck one time, and man,

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I'd love to have a beer with that guy because

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everything he you know, he's not He's not lying to you.

474
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Sometimes he's a little rough around the edges, but I

475
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think it's what people needs to hear sometimes.

476
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Speaker 1: Great guy, great guy. Have you had him on here

477
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,400
multiple times? Okay, and fingers crossed, Well, i'm record yet,

478
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,319
so I won't say anything and could have already played.

479
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:09,319
Who knows how this works, but yeah, Martin's a great guy.

480
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,160
So when you say the modern swing hurts a lot

481
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of people, how do you define the modern swing.

482
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Speaker 2: I think everybody who's trying to get loaded and lagged

483
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,680
and moving from right to left. I mean, I've spent

484
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:27,519
a lot of time with you know, Stack un Tilt,

485
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,960
Jim Venetos and Tony. You know, I do think that

486
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,200
that it's a left side based game. When you start

487
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,359
moving people around who aren't very athletic, bad things happen,

488
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,960
you know. And I'd rather have someone strike the ball

489
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,920
solid than hint it as far as they can every

490
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ten one out of ten times because they're moving around

491
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,000
trying to coordinate this movement that if you're not spending

492
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,599
four or five days a week, it's not worth it.

493
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So you know, taking the club up, dropping inside, being

494
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,839
able to just to slide the right, get the right

495
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,960
sway and then rotate out all it within a second.

496
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Let's make it simpler. Let's make it simpler for people.

497
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Mm hmmm mm hmm.

498
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Speaker 1: But they got to practice it said, Isn't that the

499
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biggest problem with the modern golfer is that they get

500
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a lesson and forget it.

501
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Speaker 2: You know, and and the ones who like I got

502
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,960
I have a woman right now who she she's took

503
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,359
a lesson about three weeks ago and then she looked

504
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,960
at me and said, well, can we take the next

505
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,039
lesson sooner? And I said how soon? She said, you

506
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,640
have time in two hours. And I'm like, no, let's not.

507
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,359
It works. I need you to practice what we just

508
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,359
talked about. You know, it's just not about getting more information,

509
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,480
but you know that it's you've got to practice. I mean, yeah,

510
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,799
I was. I grew up, you know, and all I

511
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,680
wanted to do was to play golf and went to

512
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Florida and became a PGA professional and then decided I

513
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,799
had to grow up and get a real job. And

514
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,880
because I was frustrated with golfers who wouldn't practice, and

515
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,559
I couldn't understand why they wouldn't practice, because it's like

516
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,880
during a lesson they were doing great and they knew

517
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what they were supposed to do.

518
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Speaker 1: Well.

519
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Speaker 2: Then I went and got a real job in a

520
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different field. And then it became really difficult to find

521
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,200
five hours a week to practice. You know, you have

522
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,759
to start to talk about kids a job. You know,

523
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,839
pretty soon you're not if you play once a month,

524
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,839
you're lucky if you hit balls twice a month. And

525
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:40,119
then so it changed how I saw golf instruction it's

526
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,359
not about finding the perfect swing. You know, those guys

527
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:44,759
we see on TV, they're freaks.

528
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that absolutely.

529
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if I would even want to

530
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,039
teach one of those guys or coach one of those guys,

531
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because it's I enjoy seeing someone who's shooting ninety five

532
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,440
ninety six send me a text that says, hey, I

533
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,920
shot eighty four, yes yesterday. You know, to me, that's

534
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,319
that's like better than winning the Major. No, it doesn't

535
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:13,119
pay as well, but you know, it's that happens more

536
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400
often when you when you work with regular people and

537
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,839
you acknowledge where they are and you help them find

538
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,440
a better version of themselves.

539
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 1: Boy, but can you imagine if you'd coach somebody that

540
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,480
want to major what it would do to your business?

541
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:28,759
Come on, man, it would.

542
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: But you know, I listened to how Don't Who was it?

543
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880
I was listening. I flew to Virginia this weekend and

544
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,720
I was listening to coaching podcasts, and this instructor said, hey,

545
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,839
I had six tour players and it was like having

546
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,839
six little prima donnas. And he's limited the number of

547
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,279
tour players he works with. You know, because you want

548
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,480
to teach people, but you can't just you can't be

549
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,160
the back and call of somebody you know who needs

550
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880
you once but then you're like, oh, by the way,

551
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,160
you're fired, you know. I like to see people. A

552
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,279
lot of people grow. My goal will be to help

553
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,839
as many people as possible play better golf. What that

554
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,039
means to them is up to them.

555
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've really learned about doing

556
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,559
this show for so many years with so many different guests,

557
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,680
is that you can try to teach golf, but for

558
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:31,039
the golfer, they really have to learn golf, and it's

559
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:34,200
it's something you don't I mean, you could be told

560
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,480
and I have been been told over and over and

561
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,000
over again, but maybe it was ten fifteen years later

562
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,640
that I'm like, oh, that's what they meant. Like the

563
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,640
nuances that happened with golf, It's like, oh, I get

564
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,799
it now, So you really have to learn it through

565
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,240
your own experience, definitely.

566
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Speaker 2: I mean some of the best the best times during

567
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,960
my lessons are when a student will say, oh, I

568
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,359
just felt this before we see the number on the

569
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
track mat, or before the ball flies, oh I felt

570
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,960
the face open, or I felt this, or now I

571
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,119
can feel when I'm not supposed to be doing, and

572
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,039
for them to feel the difference is huge because you know,

573
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:17,359
most people have no clue, myself included, when that club

574
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,799
gets beyond waist high, no one is aware of where

575
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,119
it is. Now. Tour pros have good feeling about where

576
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:28,400
it is, but you know, your your perception goes away

577
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,279
once your eye is lose it. So for some for

578
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,240
a student to pick up the feeling, to me, that's learning.

579
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:36,359
I mean, I can talk till them blue in the

580
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,759
face about where we need to have this club at

581
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,279
this position, but if someone doesn't feel it, I'm not

582
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:46,640
doing my job. So all can all sometimes confuse students

583
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,240
because I'll give them seven different feels for the same thing.

584
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,759
But I'm trying to get there to connect them to

585
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:57,359
that idea, you know. I mean, I'm trying to connect

586
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400
you to to what does rotation feel like?

587
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Speaker 1: You know.

588
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,319
Speaker 2: I'll go stand in the corner of our bay and

589
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,759
say turn your body until you see me, you know,

590
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:06,880
or you know, some people it's it's verbal, some people

591
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
it's physical. Some people have to move them into position,

592
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000
you know, and then they're like, oh, that's all it is,

593
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,799
So that the learning part is so great for me

594
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,519
because each person's different, and you know, I've had lessons

595
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,480
where I really didn't want to be there anymore because

596
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,960
they were difficult and wouldn't listen. But there's also ones

597
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,519
where people are just like they get it and they

598
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,119
just love the feeling and they don't want to leave

599
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,240
because they want to just keep hitting balls. And I'm like, well,

600
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,920
if you just keep doing this, that same result will come,

601
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:41,799
you know, and please move out so I can take

602
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:42,559
my next lesson.

603
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: But your time is up.

604
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I to me, that's you're one

605
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,279
hundred percent right. People have You can't just indoctrinate people.

606
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,079
So we go we talk about YouTube learning. You know,

607
00:32:56,279 --> 00:33:01,319
it's that's ideas, that's golf instruct you're selling their ideas,

608
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:06,200
is really what YouTube instructors are. And you've got to

609
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,599
have it. Even through skill list or some of these

610
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,359
other apps where you do online lessons, you have to

611
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,079
have a communication with someone so you know they get it.

612
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,160
If they don't get it, it can be the best

613
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,319
information in the world. But if they don't understand it,

614
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or they don't understand they'll reply it. That's no good.

615
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,839
That's no good.

616
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the people that kind of you brought

617
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up a moment ago is Jim Venetus and he's got

618
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,640
his own method he does and it's and it's almost heretical.

619
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I mean, it's almost is that the right word. It's

620
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,680
it's unique. It's not what other people are teaching. Although

621
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he is staying on the left side pretty much the

622
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,039
whole time. Is what Tony Manzoni is advocating is rotating

623
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,160
around your left side there, correct. I think that their

624
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,839
methods are very, very different.

625
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: And it's like Tony talked about with stack and tilt.

626
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,920
I mean, there's a lot of similarities. But you know,

627
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,400
Jim is all about getting this the shallow swing plane

628
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,760
to strike the ball the same way every time. But

629
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both of them are eliminating moving to the right side.

630
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You know, they're eliminating some of the movement for the

631
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,679
average golfer. Someone like like Jim is a great instructor

632
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,079
if you can deal with this personality, you know, the

633
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,480
the this is the only way mentality, you know, And

634
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:38,559
but the information he has is is gold if you

635
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,719
follow that, because you know, you go out there and

636
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920
someone who's never hit a draw before in their life,

637
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480
they set up like that he wants them to, and

638
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,519
they start hitting flush draws sold, you know, and and

639
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:56,239
and golf becomes fun. I mean the ultimately, golf is

640
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,000
about making a movement consistently enough so you can plan

641
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,480
your next movement. If you are trying to guess what

642
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,079
your next swing is going to be because you're trying

643
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,000
to work through the permutations of the ninth variable on

644
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,679
the backswing, you're not gonna be good. But you know,

645
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,880
someone like like him who simplifies it and makes it

646
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,360
one thing. Tony's another one. You know, lock your arm

647
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,280
against your chest and turn. Okay, that's easy enough to repeat.

648
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,960
So doing that, for the average golfer, they start to

649
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,639
hit the same shot over and over, and now there'scors

650
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,920
start to drop because they're not thinking swing thoughts. They're

651
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920
not playing golf swing on the golf course because they've

652
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,079
got a method. So, you know, for all the people

653
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,679
who go out there and talk about Jim and his

654
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,679
you know, indoctrination of his method, I think it's a

655
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,920
great way for someone to learn if they're willing to

656
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,159
commit to it. You know, they could come to me too.

657
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,280
But you know, if you know, if someone went to

658
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,320
Jim and said Hey, this works for me. I love

659
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,880
that because it's all about playing better golf. It's not

660
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,280
about a certain method. It's not about which instructor is

661
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,719
the best. It's about how to get people to play

662
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,320
better golf.

663
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Speaker 1: So tell me about your basic fundamentals of instruction. I

664
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,079
mean your email you said you have three basic fundamentals.

665
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,039
Speaker 2: Yep, there's three fundamentals. And you know, I did some

666
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:31,639
reading and it came from Macrogrady, which is you know,

667
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I don't think I could ever do that because I

668
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,519
don't have that kind of mind, but the information is

669
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incredible that he shared with the world. You've only got

670
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,559
to do three things. You got to control your low point,

671
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,199
which is your strike. If you don't control your low point,

672
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,880
you can't really plan anything else.

673
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Speaker 1: And that's the moty can chuck. What's a Martin Chuck thing?

674
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,920
Is like I got a secret for you. It's like, Martin,

675
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,679
we all know what the secret is. It's controlling that

676
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000
low point. That's the easiest thing to.

677
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Speaker 2: Do, you know, and you know if you and the

678
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,039
best best exercise I've seen to do that is to

679
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:07,880
get in a bunk or draw a line and practice

680
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,639
hitting on the problem. The left side of the line

681
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,719
for right hand to golfer. Yeah, you know, it's as

682
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,679
simple as that. And if you strike the ball solid,

683
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,599
then all of a sudden, now you've got to figure

684
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,920
out where it's going, you know. And so then we

685
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,639
get into the club path and the club face. That's

686
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,760
the one that most people who can strike it solid,

687
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,000
that's where they get stuck because they don't understand the relationship.

688
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,960
So if you can educate someone about what they need

689
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,960
to be doing, you know, they won't make the wrong thing.

690
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,920
A lot of people, Hey, I'm slicing the ball, so

691
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,079
I'm going to turn harder left. Well, what that's going

692
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,000
to do is make the club slide across the ball

693
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,440
more and spin it more. That way, you've got to

694
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,280
almost you know, you've got to go see gym and

695
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,360
make it start to the right, you know. And people's

696
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,920
minds don't get that. And when you can get them

697
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,360
to control their low point and control their path, the

698
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,320
only thing left then is how far do you hit it?

699
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,159
So you do those three things, you control the direction,

700
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:12,000
the distance, and in the contact. There's no perfect way

701
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,719
to do it. I mean, you know, you look at

702
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,920
some all the swings on tour there's there's a lot

703
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,239
of different ways to do it, but those are the fundamentals.

704
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,639
Now how you apply them, yeah, we can, you can.

705
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,239
We can talk all you want about different methods of

706
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,599
doing that.

707
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Speaker 1: And that's where playing lessons is incredibly valuable.

708
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,079
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I love playing lessons. I think I love

709
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to be able to see what someone does on the

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golf course. Whether you're at a driving range, you know,

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at a nice country club driving range where the grass

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is perfect and green. You're always in a in a

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lab environment, or you know, if you're in a simulator

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golf facility like I am, so your swings are always

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generic and you're building fundamentals. But when you get someone

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on the golf course and you can show them how

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to hit a downhill line or a ball above their feet,

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and they start to understand the physics of it. Now,

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it's like, oh, things start clicking in their mind and

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you can almost see it. When you show someone how

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to hit you know, you can hit a nice, simple,

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little pitch shot. You don't have to pull out the

723
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lob wedge and throw it forty feet in the air

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to make it. You know, to hit a pitch shot,

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you can just hit a nice, nice little pitching wedge

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that flies maybe you know, chest high, and still does

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the same thing, you know, showing people how to manage

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the golf course. I love that. That's the one that,

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you know, I'm trying to convince my own or to

730
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have a night where we're just gonna have you know,

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indoor playing lessons. So we're gonna have everybody in a

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different golf course and I'm gonna walk around and just

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talk to people. What's the decision here? There's no consequences,

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but if they can start making decisions the right way

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when they get to the golf course, now that'll be

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in the back of their head. I'm making a decision

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and they can commit. When you can commit and you

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can have a simple swing, you can start to lower

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your scores.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's interesting because when you're getting into the third

741
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your third fundamental here I wrote down mechanics versus decision

742
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making on a you know, playing lesson, and that goes

743
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back to the difference between hitting balls and playing golf, right.

744
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I know that when I look at my scorecard the

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days that I have, you know, some tough holes, it

746
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really is mostly decision making a lot of it. And

747
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my short game can.

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Speaker 2: Be Sometimes I will always look at that all the

749
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shots that I didn't hit solid and be like, oh,

750
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I could have done this so much better. But it's

751
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like putting. I mean putting is is you got to

752
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you got to know where you're going. You've got to

753
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be able to hit the ball somewhat solid, and you

754
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,039
got to figure out the distance. You know, you can

755
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hit it solid, know where you're going, but if you

756
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can't control the distance, you're in trouble. You know, it's

757
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decision making on what you need to do. And that's

758
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what's so beautiful about golf is you know you never

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make the same I play the same course every week,

760
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but you know one we call be forty yards behind

761
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or forty yards in front of where I was last week.

762
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That's not the same golf.

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Speaker 1: Course, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think another fun exercise for people to do

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is to go play their forward tees.

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Speaker 1: And just do it anyway. It's you know, stop playing

767
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:26,159
the blues and you are an eighteen index, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we play I play with a group of

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guys who are all between you know, my handicap, and

770
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we got a couple of lower handicap guys and a

771
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bunch of guys around ten to fifteen, and they all

772
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pick a game. I think when when it comes my

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turn to pick the game, I think I'm going to

774
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play you know, red, red and white tea's. We're all

775
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gonna play gross score and see what happens. And because

776
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everybody looks it, looks down on that, but you still

777
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,039
got to put it in the hole from from a

778
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par four. Yeah, you might reach a par five in

779
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,239
two that you don't normally reach, but you're still going

780
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to have to hit two solid shots.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I recently played with a buddy of

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mine who has trouble hitting the ball anywhere beyond one

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hundred and fifty yards. And I'm being generous, and so

784
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the last time we played, I said, you know what,

785
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let's try this today. You play the front tees and

786
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I'll play our regular tees. I'll play the whites, you

787
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play the reds. And he looked at me, like really,

788
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and I'm like, just let's just try it and see

789
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what happens. Okay. Well, I'm telling you it was amazing

790
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because usually when he plays the same tees as I do,

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it takes him two, maybe sometimes three shots to get

792
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to my drive and that slows everything down. But by

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him playing from the forward tees, he was hitting his

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second shot basically from the same place I was, and

795
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that made it much more fun for both of us.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're not sitting there waiting for him and

797
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feeling bad, and he's enjoying the round of golf.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I mean, unless you're making money this game, play the

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t's that you're supposed to be on, you know, and

801
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you know you don't need to just because you can.

802
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You don't need to go to the back teas. Go

803
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play the forward ts someday and see how much fun

804
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,679
it is and how much pressure it is actually, because

805
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if you walk in there and you don't shoot below

806
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,360
your handicap from the forward tes, there's pressure. So making

807
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,760
birdie putts, getting comfortable making more birdies or pars, or

808
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,320
even making more bogies. If you shoot double bogie all

809
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,280
the time, you know, making a bogie pot, get used

810
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,320
to it, and then you step back maybe for half

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the holes. You know, you start building your game up,

812
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but enjoy the game.

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Speaker 1: Good for you.

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Speaker 2: The best golf course, I think, well, the second best

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golf course I've ever played is one called Winter Park

816
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,000
nine in Orlando, and you would go there and you

817
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,719
would just put your ball in the rack and you

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00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,159
go out and play. And when I lived there in

819
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the nineties, they hadn't redone it. And then they had

820
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someone and I can't remember it wasn't Gil Hants, but

821
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it was someone at that level who redid that nine holes.

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And it's in the middle of town, and it was

823
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a lot like Scottish golf. You go out there as

824
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it was an executive course. There was a par five,

825
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
there's a couple of short furs and a bunch of

826
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par threes. But you just would go out and play golf,

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you know. And at the time, I was working at

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Lake Nona Country Club, you know, so I was I

829
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had the ability to play some really cool places. But

830
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you go out there and that was fun to play,

831
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all right. I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: Let everybody know how to get in touch with you,

833
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how to see your YouTube videos, if you're on social media,

834
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what's the best way to learn more from you.

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Speaker 2: My my YouTube is coach Jason and Onyx and my

836
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Instagram was coach Jason and Onyx. So nyx, yes, and

837
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my I've also got I think for the Love of

838
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:02,719
Golf California is a secondary YouTube channel that has some

839
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of my lessons on it. So hey, people can people

840
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,000
can email me as well or even even call me.

841
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:14,960
I don't know if you want to pass that out man. Yeah,

842
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,119
I mean I love just having people text me. My

843
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number is nine four nine five one nine five six

844
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,360
five seven. I will respond to anyone. I'll answer questions.

845
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,039
We can talk about golf swing. I mean, this has

846
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:31,960
been great just chatting golf with you.

847
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's been great chatting golf with

848
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,280
you too, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,