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We got Brady Papinga on the line to break down
this BYU Texas Tech match up, this game. This uh uh,
this steam rolling of the Kuges from over the weekend.
Be pop how you living?
Speaker 3: Always always a challenge, but always worth it. So we're
all right there, man, you body and.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm okay. Look, I kind of felt deep down
in my bosom that this is going to be a
loss of stuff to win on the road, versus that
I think they were a top five team in the
country and they were healthy. Uh for the most part.
I know barn Morton had a little bit of a
stress reaction, but he was still slinging it just wasn't
as mobile as he was maybe prior to the injury.
But all things considered, they were pretty gosh dang healthy.
They were at home. They have an elite defense, that's
a top five football team, and BYU they got dumped.
They really didn't win in a whole lot of ways.
I was. I was overall pressed with the defense. I
thought they had a good showing. Special teams struggled, as
did the offense. What happened in this game from your purview, well.
Speaker 3: So you have two teams that are equally as talented,
Cause you go look at the film, I can tell
you this. Our defensive line did not get moved, pope.
We had blowback resetting the line of scrimmage consistently. They
couldn't run the ball inside. As a matter of fact,
their big runs were on the edges, which has been
a weakness of ours as of late. We completely diced
up their pass protection. I mean we've sacked the quarterback
how many times in the first couple of quarters, you know,
I mean they just had no answer for us. You
know up front. Now, our defensive backs, man, they generally
played really well, but they were our Achilles Hill in
this game. You know EJ started out with what he
thought I think was a guaranteed pick, and to me,
that was the play of the game, quite frankly, Like
if he picks that ball off, he's in the flat,
you guys, which plan talking right his third and long
we're dropping at a drop eight, yeah, deep cover three
and he he's drop it back into that like kind
of like seek corner position, and the quarterback just kind
of throws it up and hej just kind of casually
fading away like ooh, I'm gonna look sweet. And then
you get the Texas tech player who just plucks the
ball there and then he runs another I think thirty
yards and then ultimately sets up a touchdown, which is
the fate of the end zone. The number five on
tree Alexander, and again number five is good. They got guys,
you know, then we got guys too. I think that's
what I think a lot of BYU fans are not
used to yet. Look, you don't always lose because there's
a talent discrepancy. I think for BYU's history, we've always
had a talent discrepancy. Been until now we don't have
a talent description. I hope everybody understands that we got
just as good as players as they do. It can
down the execution. That's one example. The obvious ones that
everybody knows about are the muff punts, the muff punt,
the miss punt, the missfield goal, the fumble, the two
interceptions or is it two fumbles, whatever, it was one interception,
two fumbles. You know everybody's talking about that, when in
reality it's those plays like EJ not making that interception,
or even Trey Alexander later in the game had a
baggle right through his hands. Those are game changing, momentum
changing plays. And then from an offensive perspective, I personally
felt that we over respected their head dressers. I felt
that we kept a lot of max protection batch chipping
tight ends in way too much. And we'll see if
you know, that changes if we get a chance to
play them again. And then on top of it, we're
just not executing the small things. You know, bear misses
that read auction play. I think everybody nasked the TV
saw that third and three, he needs to pull back.
He runs private five six yards, that drive keeps going.
But guess what happens after that?
Speaker 4: We go out.
Speaker 3: We missed a fifty one yard field goal. So all
those things when you played good teams. Now when it
balances out, meaning you got tit for tap the same
caliber of playmakers, which we do with Texas Tech. Now
and I said this last week, it comes to it
becomes an execution game. Who executes the cleanus And as
I mean, you could very clearly see from how we
played versus how Texas Tech played, they absolutely executed the cleaners.
And that's why they want. Now he rewind back a
couple of weeks. They go to Arizona State and guess
what they do pretty much the same thing what we
just did to them. They didn't execute. They had some
rough outings, and they get beat, you know, on the
road at a tough place to play down in Tempe, Arizona.
So this isn't abnormal, This isn't some It should not
be a shock to the system. I think you said
it well, Ben, like this is a tough place to play.
You don't go into games expecting to lose, but you
for surely go into games being realistic about who your
opponent is and what the situation is. And absolutely that
was going into a lion's den into one of the
most adverse tough places. I think any team in the
country could walk into. I don't care if you're Ohio State,
I don't care if you're Indiana. That is a tough
place to go into, just like it will be on Lavell's.
You know, this Saturday level, it's gonna be a tough
place to come into. And that's just what it is,
and that's what you have, and that's what happens when
you play high level football. You're gonna face teams that
are just as talented. And then it comes down to
an execution game. And we've done a good job over
the year, Like Utah, I thought it was a great
example of that. It was an execution game. We had guys,
they had guys, and we executed better than they did
and we won the game. Arizona I thought was the
same way from the start to the finish. And in
defensive Aaron Roddick, by the way, with his his you know,
I thought being overly conservative with their edge guys, they
were playing it that way too. They were like, hey,
we're going in an adverse situation. We need to keep
this thing close. We don't want to put bear overly
exposed to these edge rushers and he's, you know, all
of a sudden, the crowd's going crazy. These head dressers
are popping off the snap of the ball because we're
going on the silent count. He's you know, Bears getting
blindside fumbles, and then the crowd even starts to go
with more crazy Bears. Confidence starts, you get what I'm saying.
So there's there are situational things too that dictate that
you are going to be over conservative because what you
want to have the game you want to go if
there was help from special teams, which by the way,
that was the killer of our whole team of special teams.
You know, if the special teams are rolling, all of
a sudden, everything else gets set up better filled position,
everybody's feeling a little bit more energetic, more confident. And
then you have this game where it's you're going back
and forth, back and forth, and then you hope to
make that last play to win the game. And that's
or I do believe, you know, the coaching staff was.
They were thinking that's what they were hoping for. That's
why we weren't just completely letting you know, Bear go crazy.
We were we were keeping things tight, kind of conservative
playing to our defense, which defense, like you said, played
phenomenally except for a few big plays. But outside of that,
if you have your special team struggling like you do,
it's just gonna trickle down to your offense and all
of a sudden, you're going to be, you know, a
game like this where you just you just are always
behind the eight ball. And you have to give Texas
Tech a lot of credit too, because of how good
they were with their pressure and how you knew you
had to play well. That affects your execution sometimes and
so you got to get Texas Tech all the credit.
But at the end of the day, in summary, we
got execute better in all three phases. Starts with special teams,
that's been the foundation, and then have a trickle out
from there. And then obviously, I know, if we get
a chance to play these guys a game, we're going
to the guys again. You're going to see a completely
different game, I believe, in terms of how aggressive we
are and no more to say. We're going to play
this close and then hopefully score one more play than
they do. It's going to be you know, empty the
kitchen scene can go for the goals, so the good
thing is, ladies and gentlemen, I want to just make
sure we all understand this too. This is what it
should be. You should be able to go in, week
in and week out. If you have a little hang
up like we did this week, be able to then improve,
fix what you failed to do, learn from it, and
get better as a team, and still be in position
to have your goals. And guess what the system right
now has, it's where That's exactly where we're at. I'm
gonna tell you this quite frankly, it's hard to beat
a team twice in a year. I've experienced it personally.
I'll tell you that. I know this is a long
ranted answer, but it's going to give you a lot
of good information. When I was in the NFL two
thousand and nine, we played the Arizona Card was the
very last game of the season, and then we played
in the first week in the wild card. Okay, we
destroyed them. And the last week of the season in
Tempe and a whole week leading up to the very
next week where we're going to play them again, we're
studying that film religiously. Oh, this is what it's going
to be. This is what we got to do blah
blah blah. We go out and it was like they
were a completely different team. They had made adjustments, they
had dumb some little tweaks, they had shown some stuff
in the map the playoff game that they didn't have
in the last game that we got. You know, it
ended up going overtime, but we got beat And so
the point is is, like I would prefer, in all
seriousness to go to the championship game if we end
up facing Texas Tech again and having that feeling of, hey,
we have to now learn from our previous and capture
with them, versus man, we beat them, we just got
to do the same thing again, because I do believe
that is false gold, our fools gold.
Speaker 2: So Brady, I've been looking at the numbers, and just
from a scoring margin standpoint, I'm looking at silver linings here,
BLI faced Texas Tech at their home and they lost
by twenty two. It was a pretty dominant twenty two,
though it seemed like they were in the driver's seat
most of the game. It was slow, it was monotonous,
the chasm. Right. I look at Kansas State, they lost
by twenty three. Utah lost by twenty four. Houston lost
by twenty four, Kansas lost by twenty five, and so like,
it's obviously that Texas Tech is maybe in a league
of its own, and then who's the second best team
in the Big twelve? That's what I think the from
an identity standpoint, fans BYU fans are struggling with that.
They're wondering, Hey, are we truly the second best team
in the Big twelve? How do you see it?
Speaker 3: Well, that's why you get to play it out. And
that's why I love about the system, and that's what
is beautiful about actually putting it on the field because
a lot of things that happen right now in terms
of how we're evaluating talent is coming from the past
ranking systems, whether it's the A people, whether it's you know,
the BCS system or the latest you know, rendition of
the playoff even before this one, to where you're you're
having a committee, they get together, they evaluate, you know,
what's the strongest win? Was a win is a win
and a loss of a loss. And guess what you
don't you don't get two losses for every win if
you score over twenty points. Texas Tech is as vulnerable.
Look I don't like I think when I one thing
that I felt at the beginning of the game, and
absolutely Texas Tech controlled the game. But the one thing
I felt was is upfront, we can control these guys.
Now they're defensive front, interiorly wise, man, they controlled us.
I mean they collapsed the pocket. I don't know how
many times. But there's answers for that, you know, And
so I look at it more as this is top
nuts football to even the match teams. I think we're
just as good as Texas Tech. I like to be
able to go prove that. But we have to go
out on the field and we have to do what
we've been doing all year, which is executed. So my
answer directly to you is if we execute and we
continue to play at the same energy, tenacity, competitive spirit
that they played against Texas Tech. And I mean because
I just I really wish we could do a coach
a show and I could show you plays of our
defensive front just eviscerating, chopping up this supposed unbelievable offense.
I mean just three cent in the line of scrimmage,
blowing dues off the ball, throwing dues to the ground,
and just nowhere to go also plays where you got
glass or diving on the you know, just selling out
dive and throwing his body around Sam with Jack. I mean,
these guys were healthy as they've been all year, and
they played as good as we've expected them to play,
and so and even our offensive line, they were out
there blocking their tails off and moving these big defensive
tackles that Texas Tech has and they were doing a
good job that. Unfortunately, I think LJ is still a
little bit deemed up. I think that's very evident. He's
not very comfortable really hitting it up in there, hitting
the whole hard. And I think that's a big thing
that we're we missed in that game, is that interior
zone running slash, pin and pull play runner to really
pounded defense. Because the difference is literally in two or
three yards. People don't realize that a third and four
is a very especially with our propensivey. Going for our
fourth to down is very different than third and six,
very different play call third and six plus generally it's conservative,
let's just get out of this, pump the ball move.
If it's third or four or third and six, you know,
we may be trying to get more a few more
yards to go short down, the short fourth down. If
it's third to four, the whole playlig is open. And
if you've got a guy that can jam it up
in there and at least fall foward for three guys.
So what we're playing again for the next down, I'm
probably getting that down and all of a sudden, now
we get into rhythm. We didn't have that inside running presence,
so we're we were constantly in third and six plus,
which changes our whole mentality offensively. And so when you
look at these details, it's like, I'm excited, Like I
believe we can go into a game, and we just
got to get to the championship game, but we can
go in there and we can beat these guys. Now,
are we going to have to play like the best
game of the year?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is that just tech awesome? Yeah? Top ten, you know,
top five or top five team, like you said, top
four team probably? Yeah. But does that mean they're unbeatable? No?
And I do think we're right there with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was just I'm taking into account
all these all these you know, the information I had
before me, and I'm wondering, Okay, what progress can be
made in the next three weeks and you got to
take one game at a time. TCU right Cincinnati on
the road and then UCF at home. But if BYU
wins out, they'll face the same team. And what do
you do game plan wise? Differently? You've mentioned a few
of those. Do you think a rod changes his game
plan going into the if we get him again in
the championship championship game, do you think he changes the
game plan? And so which way? In what ways?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the biggest thing in this goes you know,
I know we're talking for weeks fromn hour or so,
but this is very pertinent to this week and the
progress of our team. Is we regardless of what roder does,
because Proderick is gonna, I mean, he knows what he's doing.
The guy's master. I'm not even questioning him. And I
completely understand why he was very concerned with those addresses.
They are game records. They can turn the game to
a disaster real quick and real quick, and it already
turned that way. But it wasn't the fence's faults, more specitives.
So I get that. But what we have to do
first foremost is we have to get back to having
a very physical, interior run threat. Somebody that can just
jam it. Like I said, somebody can jam it up
in there, fall forward for two three yards at the
very least, you know, pressing Rex. But it's the soul.
I mean, he's he tries to run hard, but due
ways one hundred ninety five pounds. Okay. He's a good
edge guy, you know, good screens gadget guy of the backfield.
I really like him on the edges. He does a
nice job. He's tough, he's physical. Uh, he's you know,
he tries hard for his size, but he just does
not have the power to just hit the hole and
just fall forward for a few yards and keep us
on time with the change.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So we got to find somebody there, you know, whether
it's LJ or whether we start certainly, I mean, I
don't know. Maybe he's look at it to my back.
He worked out without Jeer.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Maybe we look at Alfred number thirty. We're like, hey, bro,
can he run his inside downe play? I'm just I'm
being facesis I'm joking. We got I'm telling you we
got some guys at the running back position. It's just
going to be interesting to see if they see it.
You know, talk about Roderick and the offense staff the
same way. Who's there and you know who's available to
give them that threat, because I do believe that they
can get that threat that gets us back to our
identity as LJ is coming back, because one thing that's
going to be very different. As long as LJ has
no setbacks, he's gonna be feeling really good in about
four weeks versus right now. And again I don't know
what his injury is, but I do know that if
he's playing, it's one of those injuries that you can
kind of just nurse it through your playing time and
hopefully as there's as long as there's no setbacks, it
gets better and better. It's kind of like what Jack
was going through. And Jack looked like his old self
this week. The same with Alaska, and I'm anticipating we'll
get something like that of LJ. And that is the
difference maker, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, when LJA that
first snap, he popped through that hole like a freaking
you know, like you shot out of a cannon. That's
what we need. And so that's that's pretty much it.
I mean, it's not all this isn't hard. Now, our
receiver's got to catch the ball, you know what I'm saying,
Like o JoJo's dropping that pass. You know, even Chase
on that that long you know, go through when he's
diving the balls in his hands. You know, those those
are the catches that we got to make. And when
we do and we make those extra plays, I mean,
that's where offense gets rolling. I mean, and you know
and Bear, that's gonna help him get confidence and get
into his rhythm. And because the dude could throw the ball,
you know. So it's there's there's not wholesale changes that
need to be made. It is small little adjustments, smaller refinements.
And like I said, having that middle middle run threat
there that could pound the ball, get us two three
extra yards just falling forward is going to make a
tremendously huge difference.
Speaker 2: Defensively, Billy managed to hold the Red Raiders offense well
blow their season scoring average, and as I mentioned, the
margin of victory was I guess the smallest outside of
the on the road lost to ASU. But you know what,
what did you like specifically from a personnel standpoint on
the defense side of the ball, that we can highlight.
Speaker 3: Well, I just loved our defensive front, I really do.
If you could put if people see what we did
to their offensive line, that would help you feel very
optimistic about us playing against playing against them again and
doing really well. They could not handle us, guys, They
could not handle us. The plays that they got on
us were bounce plays to number twenty, which is he's
a home run hitting player. Man, that guy gets out
in space. He's ran big runs against every team that
we've you know that they faced all year long, and
we weren't any different. But outside of that, and then
there was another run by number eight where we were
basically had an inside blitz and the edge guy, instead
of boxing it, meaning turning it back into the blitzers,
he spilt it like we normally do where and it
turned out to be I think a twenty thirty yard
game because there's nobody out there spilled to which spilling
means you just you just influenced the runner to keep
going east and west outside, which you know that's an
execution thing that's not getting beat. But I mean, if
you'd seen how we handled all the polos and everything,
it was an absolute mess for their offensive line. So
when you look at our defensive front, how we handled
their offensive line. That is what I'm most excited about
because we we'll get that same performance again because we
got guys. Tell you we got guys. Then you got
to ask yourselfl Kate, can our secondary step up and
make the plays when they're presented to them? Sure number
five is gonna get his you know, he's a good
player's a player, and they got some other guys. But
you ball hitching the hands of the corner. You got
to you gotta pull that in, you know. And if
you're hej you don't fade away from interceptions, you puck
them out of there, You go take them and then
you run them back. And when if you just make
those small adjustments and then our special team shows up,
now we get into the kind of game that I
believe Roderick was expecting, which is keep it close, let's
make one more play. Although, like I said, I think
when we play them again, it's not gonna We're not
going to be as you know, conservatives, you know, just
just kind of filling it out. But the point is
is that's what gets me excited is our front. Every
single week, our front has shown up and controlled the
line of scrimmage. Now we just got to get everything
else around it rolling just at that same level, and
we're going to be in great shape.
Speaker 2: Why do you think Bear Bockmeier struggled to run the
football versus Texas Tech this game? This was maybe his
least effective performance, one of his least effective performance in
running the ball.
Speaker 3: Well, it starts with the fact that they're really good.
Let's remember that on our quarterback draws, these big interior
defensive tackles were just stuffing up the middle. I mean,
we're you know, he's going back to do a quarterback
draw and as he's like doing his fake drop back here,
he has middle pressure and then he's got to like
kind of adjust around that, and all of a sudden,
there's another guy right there, and then he's just around that,
and all of a sudden, by that time, the defense
has already realized this is a draw and they're reacting.
The backers are coming up and it's there's no space.
So there's there's ways to handle that. There's a lot
of ways to handle those big guys doing that to
where they just completely destroy a lot of your quarterback
running plays. The big one though, that I felt could
have got him into more rhythm. Was that Reid options
the first part of game on third and three. I
mean that had a lot of space to go. I mean,
I bet you get, like I said, games ten yards
and like anything, when you get into that rhythm and
get in that flow. And even as a defense, when
you get gas like that from a read option, you
tend to respect that a little bit more. You tend
to have that be in the back of your head.
That slightly opens up other things, you know, the read
option to even the pass all of a sudden becomes
a little bit more dangerous because now you're you're overplaying
maybe or just giving a little bit more tent to
the second respect to the quarterback pulling it. And then
that that can maybe open up a little window or
a little bigger window for your receivers. So it's a
combination of things. But the first thing is text check
is really good, and we didn't handle their inside pressure
as well as we could have.
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Speaker 3: Well, so, TCU, you know I did a study on
him last night. They got a heck of a thrower.
Quarterback is a heck of a thrower. You can throw
the ball over the field. We're gonna see simple. You know,
the very familiar air raid offense that Buyu has made
famous and then has gone and all these different iterations.
And now you have with Sunny Dykes and his crew,
which they Sunny Dikes likes to run a spread, air raid,
power running offense. So he has a real physical runner.
He plays very downhill, which plays into our strengths. You know,
he's not a guy like number twenty where he's gonna
bounce it and you know, get you for you know,
fifty yard game. This guy wants to run between the
tackles and just wear you out. And then they compliment
that with their quick passing game. And you know, and
their quarterback who could throw the ball. Quarterbacks not overly mobile.
He's an average moving movement guy, but his arm more
that makes up for because he's accurate. He throws the
ball on time. He's got a quick release. Their offensive
line is a big and physical you know, they don't
move the best. They got big, kind of bigger, heavy feet.
Kind of reminds me of Arizona's offensive line, so you
can it's kind of like Arizona's offense a little bit.
But but I don't think they have as much speed.
I think they'll build more on power. And then they
got a big wide receiver, number one man, and he's
he's a big game breaker. He's not an overly explosive
guy like number five, but he's physical, possession kind of
guy that can like pretty much you just throw the
ball up in a radius that's reasonable around him and
he's usually comes up with it. So they got a
good offense. You know, we got to be ready to roll,
you know, got to bring our lunch pail again and
be ready to play a really physical, tough game against
these guys and shut that shut that run down and
keep them in predictable passing situations where I don't think
their offensive line can block us. If we can get
into predictable passing situations with all of our blitz configurations,
with our speed and our rush ability and our coverage ability,
I think that'll work. To our advantage. But we've got
to put them in predictable passing situations and it's gonna
be tough because that quarterback can throw the ball, he
throws it on time and in addition to having a
power running game.
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Scientist is a three DQB. We got John Beck on
the line. John, how's your weekend?
Speaker 4: That was a good one man.
Speaker 5: Uh, You've got a playoff win for the high school team,
so that was fun. You know, my son's having the
opportunity to be the quarterback right now, so that's exciting
as a parent who's been you know, coaching him up
all the way through. So that's been fun. Other than that,
a lot of just you know, following college football, watching
the Coogs, watching some NFL games.
Speaker 2: So are you o seeing for the high school team
as well?
Speaker 4: No, I just help out with the game plan.
Speaker 5: I'm a quarterback coach, but the coordinator that's there.
Speaker 4: He and I have worked together a for a few
years here at San Clementy, so it's been good.
Speaker 5: We kind of have a very good relationship helping out
suggesting plays. Dennis is involved in that as well, Pitta.
Dennis helps out as the tight end coach, so we
have a very similar role in terms of being a
position coach, but helping out a lot with the game
planning and in practice structuring some of the plays that
we kind of input.
Speaker 4: So it's been good. It's been a fun little run
so far for our team this year.
Speaker 5: We're going to be in the second round of playoffs
semi finals this weekend, so it'll be a big game
for us.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a moment this year? A game
this year? What's your game plan? Offensive game plan that
you had scouted that you had pre planned for the
thought it would work. It didn't work so well against
a pretty gosh day good defense.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like that always happens in football.
I feel like that's why coaches that have a lot
of experience, that have experienced those situations before, they can
come to find answers.
Speaker 4: You know, That's where it helps.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the times banking too much
on well, here's what I've learned as a player, also
not just a coach, because I had experience as a
player where you might see what you feel is going
to be so good on tape, but you always have
to account for what they are going to plan for
you because you're studying tape watching what they do against
other opponents, But what are they going to do against you?
What wrinkles are they going to throw at your team?
When they watch your team on tape? What do they say,
here is how we're going to prepare for that?
Speaker 4: And I feel like that.
Speaker 5: Is where sometimes you have to be so careful of
trying to build a perfect plan.
Speaker 4: For what you see on tape.
Speaker 5: Because you just don't know what wrinkles they're going to
do and what plann they're going to have, So you
have to have a game plan that can expand you
have to have a game plan that is wider than
just what you see on tape.
Speaker 4: But also that's why I love the whole John Wooden.
Speaker 5: We're going to focus on us, and we're going to
make sure that what we do we do well, and
then they have to stop what we do well. It's
not always a just about what well, let's do what
the defense is going to allow us to do that?
Speaker 4: Right there?
Speaker 5: Just sound like Norm Chow from greatest moments and Billie
football history. But I did it without a Hawaiian accent though.
But you know, you also just have to go into
it and say, okay, but what do we do really well?
What offensively can we do better than their defense? And
so that's why game planning is such a tricky thing,
especially against really good football teams. The hardest teams to
game plan for are the teams that are very talented defensively,
because it still comes down to who you have versus
who they have. You can have a great scheme and
an idea, and you can have all of these things
that you believe will work, but the game comes down
to man versus man. These players against those players, and
it is really tough when you play against really good
football teams.
Speaker 2: Let's transition then, BYU's offensive game plan didn't work so
well against Texas techs defense that is an elite defense,
a defense that doesn't give give up a lot of yards,
doesn't give up a lot of points. They're always taking
the ball away. What happened in this game offense Billies
offense versus Texas Tech defense, Well.
Speaker 5: I think you nailed it in terms of just how
good Texas Tech is that's the best football team defensively
that we played this year or that by Us played
this year. I think it showed in the amount of
times that Bear was being pressured in the way that
they kept the run game to a minimum, both LJ
and Bear. I'm sure that was Buyu's lowest rushing output
of the season. The number of times that balls were
being thrown to a receiver and immediately is getting either
hit has somebody on him. It was just a really
good did like team that that BUYU was playing against.
I think that the scheme and game plan that they
had worked well against what BUYU.
Speaker 4: Was trying to do.
Speaker 5: And I don't think that's a knock to BYU.
Speaker 4: You look at some of the stuff that BOU.
Speaker 5: Did in the game, it's stuff that BUYU has had
success with. You look at some of the scheme things
that they did that were different from what we've seen
this year. They absolutely went into this game with some
wrinkles that I'm sure was stuff that they felt like
Texas Tech hadn't seen, or that was building off of
something else in the run game. They were doing the
same thing. It wasn't just BYU going up there and
saying like, well, it's worked all year, let's just do
it again.
Speaker 4: That was not what they did.
Speaker 5: It was just Texas Tech played some really good football.
And I know that there's a number of plays that,
you know, Bear's going to watch on tape and he's
going to say, hey, maybe I could have done this,
or I you know, I could have put the ball there,
you know, and and Aaron's going to go back on
tape and he's going to learn a lot from it.
I think the way that BYU needs to interpret this
game is we played against the best opponent we've played
all year. We are going to learn a lot from
this game. And if we can have an opportunity to
play these guys again, that experience of playing them is
going to better prepare us to have an opportunity to
beat them if we match up with them again.
Speaker 4: That's the way they need to look at it.
Speaker 2: The only silver lining in all this from an offense
Ba's offense versus BUS or Texas Techs defense is that
I think BYU played Texas Tech the best out of
all the teams that have played in Lobbing, and they
only lost by twenty two points. Right everybody else, I
think Kansas I think Kansas State lost what by twenty five,
Oklahoma State forty two, Oregon State thirty one. So I
guess that's the only silver line, whatever silver linings are
there in this game.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I just said, if I'm the coordinator,
if you know, on the football team, yeah, it sucks
because you have to deal with the feeling of wanting
an undefeated season.
Speaker 4: You have to deal with, you.
Speaker 5: Know, feeling like a top ranked team that now has
dropped a little bit. The entire year, You've been climbing
the rankings and that's a fun feeling to be able
to have. And so you know, you're walking in the
building Monday morning, you're sitting down in meetings and you're
having to go through and look at all of the
things that didn't work. You're having to look at not
scoring points until the fourth quarter. You're having to look
at all of these things that for the first time
this year BYU is having to swallow that tough pill
after a loss. But you have to look at it
as now we know our opponent that much better. Going
back to what I said at the beginning of the
interview about game planning, about trying to structure things based
off of what you see them do against other teams, Well,
how are they going to play you? Well, now you
have a great idea of that, you have an idea
to compare and contrast and say, well, here's how they
stopped these other teams, here's what we anticipated, and now look,
they're gonna still do what they do best. I guarantee,
so much of what they did on Saturday is what
they have done best against other teams as well. But
there's also gonna be some things and usually that isn't
necessarily scheme, but it's in situational meaning, like what of
their scheme do they draw up in certain scenarios because
of what they anticipate BYU using, Well, now you see
that a little bit better. You know, it's a little
bit of that gamesman ship I think of why we
love like in the NBA and in Major League Baseball,
they don't play these one game championships. They play these
five games, seven game, these multiple game championships because now
it's this chess match throughout all the games of you
are getting to know your opponents. So well, that's what
I believe the next opportunity can be. You know, it's
always said in sports it's difficult to beat a team twice.
I think if these two teams match up again in
the Big twelve Championship, I think I would be very
exciting because of them having played each other before in Duyu,
gaining a greater understanding of Texas Tech and who they
are and how they played Uyu.
Speaker 2: The Texas Tech defense team speed was on display. Beart
Blockmeyer couldn't get past the line of scrimmage without getting hit.
They were surefooted on their turf. When when Bear has,
you know, really showcased well, he showcased his running ability
at home on natural grass. Watching the Utah game specifically,
Utah really didn't have sure footing at all. They were
going to slip in and they just didn't look as
athletic as this Texas Tech defense did. So there's a
number of components there that I was kind of digesting.
And then the other component of Boy's offense that has
been effective has been their play action, their intermediate throw
game off of play action, and that didn't seem people
working because Texas Tech had a four man rush and
they could collapse the pocket and drop seven every single play.
What did you see that was so effective from that
defensive unit of Texas.
Speaker 5: Tech, well, I think they were really good tacklers, you know,
going to that first little part you talked about about.
Speaker 4: Playing on turf grass.
Speaker 5: Like, I just think as I looked at some of
Bears and Lj's runs against other opponents, whether we say
it's their ability to make people miss and run through
tackles or the defense's inability to tackle those guys. You know,
I think of some of bears spectacular runs in the
Utah game where he was very nimble footed, like, there
were a lot of miss tackles, and whether it's because
he's two thirty and quick footed like, whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 4: If you're a defensive.
Speaker 5: Coach, you're pulling your hair out, throwing your headset because
of the number of tackles that were missed on those plays.
That is not what Texas Tech was doing on Saturday.
Texas Tech, I feel like, was very good tacklers, making contact, key,
keeping their hands on wrapping up. You look at the
interior alignment. How many times that they may bear move,
cut back and then somebody was there to make a tackle.
Not a lot of mistackles from that Texas Tech defense.
In terms of the play action passing game. Like a
lot of the times, it's those man's schemes that allow
you to play type coverage with the outside receivers and
then use zone drop interior guys, and so what it
does is if you don't winning the man coverages downfield,
it forces the quarterback into throwing checkdowns and then those
zone defenders are going to rally to the checkdowns. So
BYU did have a few max protection, a few fakes
off of their like counter game and that you know,
they hit Chase on a really nice little like drift incut.
I believe in the second quarter of the game they
had a few, but it wasn't as much as they
we've seen in the past.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of that goes to when you.
Speaker 5: Max protect, you know, you limit the number of people
that are getting downfield. When you have a hard time
is when the team is able to play a shell
coverage zone wise defensively because you're not able to run
the football well and then now you're sending only three
receivers downfield versus like a dropping seven. That wasn't necessarily
the case every.
Speaker 4: Time against Texas Tech.
Speaker 5: There were a few times that we had some play
action passes.
Speaker 4: And into the sideline.
Speaker 5: YU was running a flood concept, but because of the
trap corners and the coverage that Texas Tech was playing.
Speaker 4: They had numbers.
Speaker 5: And then the man schemes like if you go to
like the NFL and some of these schemes that teams
are trying to run, whether you are trying to decipher
was it an RPO or was.
Speaker 4: It a design play action pass?
Speaker 5: A lot of the times playing a man's scheme on
the edges with zone droppers underneath are what limits that.
And I saw that from Texas Tech, like they were
able to play very good man coverage out on the edges,
zone droppers underneath, and you have somebody running right on
the back of the receiver plus at times an underneath
zone guy, and so there's not a lane. Even if
your man guy is beating him by a step, there's
still the potential that you may not have the lane
to throw it in because the zone dropper, and they
forced you to drop the ball off to check it down.
And that's why you saw a number of throws checked
down out in the flats to the tight end and
the running backs. And then Texas Texas rallied to make a.
Speaker 2: Tackle in those situations, is it best to utilize certain
personnel that's a little bit better at winning one on
ones in open space on those checkdowns. I know you
had a couple of really good football players you were
able to check down the ball too, that could win
an open space after the checks with it. With checkdowns.
Curtis Brown was really good at that. I remember that
TCU game six. You dumped it down for like a
four It was like a third and long, and you
dumped it down for like a four yard completion and
Curtis took it up field versus a very good top
twenty five TSU defense and picked up the first down.
I almost wonder if personnel wise, you can you begin
to kind of activate like a jovesa Davouni or even
a press and rerection in those situations when you know
you're gonna have to check down because nothing's going to
be downfield.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And you know, here's the thing about checkdowns that
there are times that you line up and you see
the coverage and in your head you know the probability
of getting a ball downfield is going to be limited,
and so you know the.
Speaker 4: Chances are it's going to go to the checkdown. There
are other times with you.
Speaker 5: Believe that you're gonna have a great opportunity to get
the ball downfield and you have to then take the
checkdown because it doesn't give it to you. But you
weren't anticipating that. In both of those scenarios, you never anticipate, Oh,
I'm choosing this because I think it's gonna be a
great chance.
Speaker 4: To pick up the third and thirteen.
Speaker 5: Like when I threw that ball to Curtis, Gary and
T I wasn't thinking, oh, man, this is going to
be a great opportunity to get this third and thirteen
right here, because he's going to make all these people miss.
It just comes down to that player making a play.
The same reason why we love an LJ. Martin running
through tackles in the run game. He has that same
ability in the past game catching the ball out there.
Just the truth is, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It's like screen game.
Speaker 5: We watch these highlights and all of a sudden, you
throw a team goes a little screen and it goes
for sixty for a touchdown. I guarantee when the coach
dialed up that screen, he wasn't thinking sixty. He was
thinking six to eight maybe, but it goes for sixty.
Speaker 4: So you don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's personnel, Like you don't want
to change personnel just because you say, well, we need
one of those checkdowns to be able to get more yards.
Like that checkdown isn't made to get tons of yards.
That checkdown is made to be a checkdown to pick
up whatever you can and potentially put yourself if it's
on a third down, give us enough yards so that
maybe we can now go for it on fourth down.
I do think later in the game you saw them
take a few chances downfield, like Chase almost had an
amazing catch on a downfill ball down the right sideline.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you just have to do that.
Speaker 5: When teams are playing good man coverage, you have to
take your chances. You've got to take your shots. Some
games it works, some games it doesn't. This was a
game that it just it didn't work.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: And there's a few plays like I think it was
who had the one drop away? Was it Jojo had
to drop on a scramble a bear made you know
what I mean? Who knows what happens that's beyond the
sticks right there that's a first down.
Speaker 4: Like, you never know.
Speaker 5: What could happen on a few plays here there. I
just know overall when you watch the tape, when you
watch what TCU, I mean, sorry, what Texas Tech did
the BYU. They put the most pressure on Bear that
he's had. They limited Bear's ability to take off and
escape and run more than anybody else has. They limited
Yu's base running game, like so much of what U's
been able to do has been built off.
Speaker 4: Of that run game.
Speaker 5: And that just wasn't what was going on.
Speaker 2: With this game.
Speaker 5: And you look at the what was it two weeks
ago when BYU was down a little bit against Iowa State,
they made some really really key plays, some big time
scramble plays. They had a defensive turnover, they had a
special teams turnover that gave them the opportunity to rally back.
You know, those type of plays weren't happening in this game.
Like Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: Controlled a lot of the things.
Speaker 5: And that's just that's just the way that it shakes
down at whatever level, and like any level of football,
when when you're under that much dress, when they're playing
that well at coverage, when it's just that's football and
that's what it looks like. On Saturday.
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they got to move on. They get TCU at home,
they have to go on the road versus Sincy, and
then they welcome UCF at home. What's the messaging to
this BYU football team heading into this next matchup with
the horn Frogs.
Speaker 4: Well, you got to make.
Speaker 5: A decision of these are the things that happened, and
then you got to move on.
Speaker 4: What you can't do as a football team is you and.
Speaker 5: This is a coaching staff as well, is you can't
sit there and wonder what if you can't sit there
and feel bad about man, Now we're not going to
be able to have the undefeated season. Like you can't
sit there and replay plays, like all of that.
Speaker 4: Just needs to end.
Speaker 5: But like you have to already be moved on from
that game. You have to turn the page, because the
reality is you still have everything that you wanted within
your control as long as you take care of business,
and TCU is going to come in very, very hungry.
So all of those things from this game where you
might as a player sit in the locker room and
look at your teammate be like, man, we just did
not see that coming.
Speaker 4: You can't have that happen.
Speaker 5: Everything about that Texas Tech game needs to be learned,
moved on from know what you're going to do going forward,
and have that be the focus, because there are too many.
Speaker 4: Important games in the next three weeks to have.
Speaker 5: Any thought about what could have happened, what we thought
was going to happen, or what this means. Now, those
can't be in your head. You just got to wipe
them all clean. I love the phrase no rearview mirrors, Like,
if you start feeling like you got some rearview mirrors
up and you're looking in the past of that game,
you got to tear those things down and you just
got to be focused on the task at hand. Because
I promised that this is TCU team coming in.
Speaker 4: They've had some bumps along the way.
Speaker 5: They've had some games that they sputtered a little bit
here or there, but I have seen them when they
played good. They have the potential to be a really
good football team.
Speaker 2: John Beck here on ESPN The Fan, John, a couple
last things before we let you go regarding Bear. What
can Bear take away from this Texas Tech game and
what does he need to work on in these final
three games in order to maybe maximize his abilities and
put himself in the best position to make plays for
his team.
Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, he's had an outstanding year as a
true freshman, and it's been great to see the success
that he's had. I think for Bear, so much of
this is going to be about understanding the feeling of
the experience. You know, this was a huge experience for
a young man at his age, at his level of experience,
to be the you know, a huge national game, two
top ten teams in their place, Like that is an
environment right there that is tough on on anybody.
Speaker 4: That's tough on a seasoned college quarterback.
Speaker 5: And so for Bear having that only be I believe
was it his ninth game of the year, Is that correct, night, Yeah, yeah, ninth.
Speaker 4: Game, Like he just needs to take from that. Everything
from that is a learning experience, whether it was a.
Speaker 5: Positive play, a negative play, the feelings that he experienced
during the game. You know, there were a few times
that he might have felt a little out of sorts,
a little out, you know.
Speaker 4: Like just a little off.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have that happen as a quarterback. You're going
to have that happen, even if you're a season's quarterback
at times, like you watch NFL games and you can
see the best of the best sometimes.
Speaker 4: Still experience that. So he just needs to.
Speaker 5: Take all of that and understand the feeling that he's
experiencing now on this level, and he needs to just
put all of that in a place that he can
use that for his benefit later on.
Speaker 4: He now knows what it feels like to.
Speaker 5: Play against the top five defense in the country on
the road at their place. He now knows what it
feels like to be down, you know, and have some
things not working in a game at times when you're
very used to things working. That's a different experience when
you're trying, trying, trying, and it's just not working, not working,
not working. Okay, Well, now you know what it feels like.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Now you know how to be calm in those circumstances,
there's gonna be other big, big games.
Speaker 4: We all hope that BYU wins.
Speaker 5: Out and that things play out in a way that
they're playing in the Big twelve Championship and there's a
high probability that they're back against that saying Texas Tech team, Well,
guess what, I'm pretty sure that's going to be at
Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. So there's going to be
even more Texas Tech fans screaming at that place.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a crazy environment.
Speaker 5: All of these things that he's experienced have been great
to help him be better prepared for that next experience.
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Speaker 4: From the emotions that he's.
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Speaker 5: Just Saturday, just just two days ago, we had high
school quarterbacks that were in on Saturday morning getting their
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Speaker 4: And I mean, I can tell.
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