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Show dot com. Everything's there. Want to welcome everyone back

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to the Pekanyona Show. Benjamin Boyce is here with me

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for the first time. He signed me on his show

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and we recently met up in person, and so I thought,

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we did, have you come on the show. Yeah, and

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let's let's let's have a conversation. I want to talk

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about your your path. Start off telling tell people about yourself.

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Tell people you know as much as you're willing to

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let let on. Did you come from the left, What

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are you know? I mean, just go give some background,

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especially about how you started in the whole streaming thing

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and being on YouTube and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in California, Evangelical Christian and has

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some pretty powerful experiences when I was really young, impressionable,

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but I had what I considered direct experience of the

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Holy Spirit very explicitly and powerfully in my life. And

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uh yet, with that said, my parents were involved in

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a cult, California cult and mind you know county in

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San Jose, and that was very formative for how my

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family and then how I consider group solidarity and group

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identity and how you know, overarching religious identity can be

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corrupted manipulated by powerful charismatic leaders and what forms that

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relationship between a leader and his flock. But my parents

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got out of that when I was five, though that

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that's kind of a background with a kind of difficulty

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with centralized authority, charismatic centralized authority, and politically. I was

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kind of just a kid until I started delivering paper route.

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I had a paper route. The news used to come

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in these sheets that you would bundle up with a

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rubber band and you'd drive around or ride around five

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point thirty in the morning and tossing these papers into driveways.

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that was balking at the narratives that were being promulgated

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by the papers in my hand. And this guy's name

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was Rush Limbaugh, and I think he was just he

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was a really small time guy, and eventually he went national,

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but I was I would listen to him before he

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went really national. I don't know how many how widely

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syndicated he was. This was in Sacramento area, but I

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remember listening to him a lot in my teen years

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and he would have these little, uh what would eventually

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community in the gamer Gate era, these anti sgaw rants

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and screeds. He would talk about the Feminazis and you know,

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the pet of people who are still just as idiotic

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pretty cool and funny. I remember when he had short

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lived TV show and I was big into Rush Limbaugh.

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of view, doing a lot of experimentation. Got really fed

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disconnect between what people would propose God was and the

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sense of holiness in the church, and it was really lacking.

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now just the Covenant Evangelical Church, very standard Christianity. You

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sing songs, you do good deeds. But I wanted something more,

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just because that was how. I just found a job

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working in preschools. And I was good at that. And

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my connection to the world. Really wanted to escape from

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Speaker 1: For me, it was being growing up in a Cold

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kind of at the end of history. And when you're

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at the end of history, there really is no future,

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and there was really is no past. There's just this

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eternal costco present and you know, blowjobs in the White

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House and you know, you vote, And I remember longing

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for the meaning that I had. Was inculcated to me

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that the boomers had so much meaning when they were

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young in the sixties. You know, they they fought the power,

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at their fingertips. They had huge amounts of meaning and change,

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went and searched for meaning, mystical meaning, experiences. I think

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we embodied. I'm not religious, I'm spiritual, right, But anyways,

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I was really at the end of my rope. I

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didn't know what I was doing or why my girlfriend

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kicked me out of our house. My longtime girlfriend kicked

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me out because I was just going nowhere. I had

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to figure out something. Down the road from where she

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lived was this tiny little college called Evergreen State College,

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but at the core of the learning experience was a

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deep emphasis on individual, self guided study, where you could basically,

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if you committed to yourself to it, you could get

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a master's degree education. You can get away with anything

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or nothing at Evergreen. It was really cheap. I was old,

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never gone to college, so I got a lot of

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pell grants and stuff, and so I devoted myself to

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my pursuit my ambition, which is I really wanted to

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write this one book. And I had this idea for

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a book when I was nineteen, and I kept on

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hitting my head against that trying to get that done.

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these kids, and the kids were not really there. They

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didn't even know why they were there. And the second,

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my first day, I came in in the middle of

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the semester, so I was trying to catch up. So

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I hit the ground running. I asked everybody all these

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questions about the reading. I did all this extra reading

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and stuff. And my teacher the second day of class,

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she pulled me aside. She's like, I know you have

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been a teacher before, so don't take this wrong way,

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but could you not ask so many questions. You're kind

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of centering yourself in the discourse. I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

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I thought we were here to learn. I felt embarrassed,

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but then I talked to my other I went around

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and apologized. Tell the people in my seminar. They're like,

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what are you talking about? Like, you really helped me

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because it was just after Christmas break get back into

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the groove of things. And my teacher pointed out specifically

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this one girl who happened to be black, and this

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is important. The identity is important. That happened to be

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black girl who the teachers really concerned wasn't really onboarding

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and was really not academically acute. But my teachers like,

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in particular and giving her the room, the space to

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grow and to discover your own curiosity. And the second

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the class after that, that girl who has pointed out

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like this writing seminar component, I'm like, whoa, Okay, this

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is just high school plus. But that's fine, because Zebragreen,

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I can get away with anything or nothing. I'm just

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gonna do a bunch of independent study. And I pursued

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my work, my guess kun work, my building Schrowmann, my

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super super work of fiction. And as I was pursuing

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that the college. First of all, just to backtrack, when

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the mid nineties in the sense that there was these

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banners about in the patriarch, patriarchy harms everyone and everybody

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had these all the professors that know war and I

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stopped the Iraq War. It was like that rec ward

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had been kind of done at that point, but they're

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still like anti war, anti patriarchy. I'm like, this is

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really kind of weird and crusty. It's like this little

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time capsule of like you guys used to be edgy

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and hip, and now you're just kind of mossy, waiting

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for the next revolution. And what happened was that twenty

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fifteen and then twenty sixteen happened and this guy named

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Donald J. Trump got elected to the highest office in

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Speaker 2: And I remember this was one of my.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, just to backtrack, I had given up on politics

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in two thousand and three. When Bush got back in

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I was living in Portland, Oregon. I wasn't necessarily a progressive,

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but I was rather on the liberal side of things,

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except I remember during that election, Portland was really on

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fire to make gay marriage like the center platform. I'm like, one,

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this is a total like this is Carl Rove like

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playing you guys like a puppet master. And secondly, I

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don't think this is you could still say this out loud.

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I'm like, I don't think gay people should be married.

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You can have a partnership whatever, legal, But marriage is

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a totally different category than homosexual relationship, even if it's

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a permanent homosexual relationship, just the category marriage is an

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important category. It's the foundation of this civilization of human propagation.

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So it's special. That's a special thing. But anyways, Bush

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got re elected, and I was really upset by that.

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this stuff? Just John Carey guy doesn't care about me.

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This is a whole game. I just completely forgot about politics.

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got elected. I don't know exactly why, but I thought

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it was like, oh, this is this is the thing,

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this is the cool thing. And little to little did

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I know decades later, when I stumbled on Curtis Jarvin's

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early work minches Molbug's work, he had mapped out the

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whole thing. He had seen the whole thing that I

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had gone through. But anyways, Donald Trump gets elected and

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everybody on campus was decimated. I remember that that election day,

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me and my friend we were on the internet together

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and we were watching all the streams and getting all

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the data and like chatting with each other. It was

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like a big long party all that Tuesday, and I

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remember there's this graph. I don't know if I'm inverted

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or not, but Hillary clinton chances of success were like

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ninety seven percent and Donald Trump's were the inverse of that.

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And over the course of the day, like it went

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dick and I was so happy because fuck that bitch man,

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that woman. I was a Bernie guy. I was really

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a Bernie guy because I thought, you know, he was

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bringing something new to the table, and Donald Trump really

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turned me off.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of where I was.

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Speaker 3: That's how I saw things, even though I was I

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was on the gamer gate or the gamer side of

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gamer Gate, but Trump was a little too far. Bernie was like, Okay,

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something might happen. Hillary Clinton totally stole that total corrupt

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and I just wanted her to suffer. And I was

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so glad. I walked on campus the next day and

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everybody was like waiting for the Gestapo to just swing

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down of the vines and take all the migrants out

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of the classes and stuff. They were so upset. Everybody

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was like who like trembling. They had this big rally

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in the middle of camp, in the middle of campus

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at Evergreen there's this plaza called Red Square No Joke,

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and they all gathered there and there was something weird

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going on, like the amount of vitriol and hatred and

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the weird way in which it was being spoken about.

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It's like white people's fault. The whole thing was racialized.

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They were really really racializing the whole thing. And I

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had seen Evergreen. They had a new not professor president

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who came on in twenty fifteen, so a year before

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that election. He came on and I was working in

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the media department, so I was on camera. I worked

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on camera covering a lot of the workshops and seminars

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and the orientations. The first message to campus George Bridges

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gave was that racism is the foundational, kind of original

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sin of America. And even though we've ended slavery and

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we've done the civil rights thing, there's these glaring gaps

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and achievement and in wealth and in prosperity that are

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all due to racism. And we need to dedicate everything

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to figuring this out, to solving this problem of privilege

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and power. And I'm like, that doesn't quite make sense

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to me. And then I was listening to the professors

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talk about this postmodern critical theory, woke stuff. And it

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was one really offensive to me because they were singling

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me out and just assuming so much about me because

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I was a straight white male and you'd have to

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go through and they introduced the whole pronoun thing. I

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didn't understand what was going on. It was just by fiat,

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you had to say all of a sudden, now I

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know where you had to say your pronouns. I'm like,

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what do you think is in my pants? And why

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do you want to know?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Why does that matter? And I remember when they started

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these workshops about privilege. They started the students who were

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not the brightest bushels in the box. We're taking that

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as this is an opportunity. Empowerment is an opportunity to

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be an asshole. There's nothing holding me back from voicing

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my grievances and taking all of my resentment out on

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everybody else because there's this perfect framework for it. And

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would shut down conversation along sex lines. And the females

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were into it because they had been hoodwinked by feminism.

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You could just end all argument, all debate by just

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saying I'm a woman. I remember they had this they

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had this protest free the Nipple on campus about that time,

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and I think it's not.

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Speaker 1: For an it's never a nipple you want to see.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so what all the girls did was they

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show up without their shirts on and start screaming into

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the microphone. And if you could just like ignore their voices,

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we were just like sitting there smoking, like, oh, that's

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totally totally go. There's no laws banning the nipple. But

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they wanted to have a protest and stuff like this

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is this performative protest. But I remember after Trump gets elected,

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the students started to agitate for these demonstrations and they

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got really crass. I was covering an event. I was

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on microphone and camera for an event that was just

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celebrating the new chief of police. This female cop from

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the local district or county, Stacy Brown, and they were

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just gonna invite her there all her family, come have

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some cake, introduced her to the community. She was an

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Evergreen grad, she's a female. I was really keen on

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kind of a version of social justice. I got to

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know her. That was rather reasonable. But she's a cop,

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so she understands how things can happen and safety and procedure.

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But the kids showed up, or the students showed up

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with these horns and screaming, and they were denouncing the police,

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and her family was there. They're like, fuck you, you

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fucking pigs, and they're just taking over the whole event

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and then eating all the cake and laughing about it.

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I'm like, this is really sick, and so I wrote

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a letter to the president. I'm like, you're teaching all

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this stuff about privilege and identity and it's not tied

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to any virtues or values, so it only there's no content.

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There's no human content in this. It's just you are

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this box. I am that box. Therefore I should have

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dominance over you, because you have dominance over me. But

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there's no sense of what a human being is. And

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so this progressive dogma could work when everybody's on the

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same page, when they're all really nice and kind and

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want the best for everybody, but completely gamable by anybody

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who's a sociopath. Anyway, So that year twenty sixteen to

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twenty seventeen, I watched as the I'd watched the professors

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and the administration make evergreen all about this social justice

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echo chamber and dog pile from the Professorriot would dogpile

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on each other if you weren't radical enough. They had

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this really hyper leftist ratchet going on where even they

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tried to cancel a tranny because the training's like, you know, listen,

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I have problems with identity. You guys know that, but

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but you guys have this, you have this habit of

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saying that this is the most racist place in America

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and there's no evidence that it's racist. And then they

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all dogpiled on him her saying, well, you wouldn't know

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that because you're white. You're blind to it. Because you're white,

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you know, because you're intersectional blind blindness or whatever. Yeah, blinders.

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But anyways, to kind of wrap up, eventually, in the

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spring of twenty seventeen, finals were about to happen, there's

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all this energy, all this cooped up energy, and Evergreen

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would always get crazy in the spring because it's such

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a it's in Olympia, Washington. It's really oppressive. It's dark

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and moody and rainy, and it's just all bottled up,

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and the sun starts coming out and the clothes would

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fling off and all this energy, sexual and otherwise would

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be released. And you could just feel it and it

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was all channeled into this racial dynamic and we can

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get into it. But I made a documentary on this. Eventually,

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the students found a reason to protest, and it was

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a made up reason. There was some miscommunication. One student

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made fun of another student because they one student wanted

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an all black class and the other student, who was

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Native American, said I want an all white class, and

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they had a big dust up about it, and then

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somebody made some so the police got involved.

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Speaker 2: And then there were.

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Speaker 3: Some kids who had made the threats were asked to

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just give their side of the story and they're like, well,

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we're being detained when it's just like you come over

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and you tell us what's happening so we could figure

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out what's going on. Well, we were detained and Evergreen

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hates black people. And then the student body, probably about

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five percent of the student body, but it became more

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once it became a happening, decided to take over campus

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for about a week and they had this whole week

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long protest where they would protest Brett Einstein first because

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they found some emails that he wrote questioning why we

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would make every professor at the end of the year

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grade themselves on their anti racism, like give these personal

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confessions about how anti racists they were. And he's like, well,

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you could just use that to hire and fire people

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based on this completely subjective category. And he wrote the emails,

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and the student body, probably egged on by certain professors,

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made him the first point of contact for this whole

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week long protest, and it got to a point where

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the student body, like more and more started inviting all

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this element from Olympia, this Antifa element, to come to

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the campus. They ended up taking over campus, like barricading

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the administration in the administration building and marching them all

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into this room and then having the struggle session with

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all these demands. They had all these demands for like

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ten extra feet in the equity center because University of

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Washington had like three hundred feet or four thousand feet

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for their equity center, but we only had three hundred feet,

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you know, like the because University of Washington's really big,

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everybody's really small. They're really not safe on campus because

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they saw somebody at Walmart with MAGA cap, so they

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know that they're just surrounded by these racists and the

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fortunately or unfortunately depending on who you were in this situation.

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The students live streamed the entire thing, and their behavior

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was over the top, and it was imminently clippable and streamable,

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and any rush limba with a camera and a microphone

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could just collect these clips and make hay. It was

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just perfect hey for YouTube. And I saw what was

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happening on the Internet part of it and on the

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campus part of it. And how I got involved in

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this medium was that Evergreen was being taken as just

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basic content for anti woke stuff anti woke hadn't really

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taken off at that point. Was called these SJW cringe compilations.

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It was the cringiest of that kind of material. And

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I saw Sargon and a lot of these streams take

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this content and make fun of it, but they didn't

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really understand what was going on. And I had access

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to all the footage of all of the lectures and

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the workshops and the trainings that were instilling this very

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hyper religious cult like echo chamber and instilling it into

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the faculty and into the students, and they formed a

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perfect orbors of just this feedback loop of utter resentment

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and rage. And the people who had taught the kids

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that every institution was racist and you needed to disrupt

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and dismantle them. Were in turn disrupted and dismantled because

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their system was itself racist, which they even say, like,

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we are as complicit and white supremacy as any institution

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in the West. And there's this beautiful Vice mini documentary

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where one of the vice guys goes and interviews the

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college president, George Bridges, and the guy interviews George Bridges says,

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you know, the students say you're a white supremacist? Is

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that true? And George Bridgess is like, now I'm not well,

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I might be depends on what you mean. And the

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guys like this language just doesn't really make any sense.

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And so to encapsulate the whole story, basically what happened

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in twenty twenty in the Summer of Love had already

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happened at Evergreen and a very distilled, tight venue where

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you could actually study all the different dynamics, and they

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recorded the whole thing. That the students recorded the whole thing,

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The administration recorded the whole thing, and because the students

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streamed it, I was able to get all their footage,

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and because the administration was a public college, I could

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Foia by hook and by crook, I could get all

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the information is all public data. It was all owned

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by the state, so I was able to get all

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the emails, all those videos, all those lectures, and compile

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and go through like bit by bit by bit the

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whole gosh darn mess. So that's how I got involved

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in it, and that so we can leave that and

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go wherever you want to go. That set me on

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a thread of questioning these progressivism and then liberalism, and

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then what it is to be wes what is the

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concept of the West. And that's how I ended up

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where I am now covering and interacting with people that

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I'm interacting with now, like trying to understand the foundations

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of not just the mess, but what causes the mess,

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and not just our prosperity, but what causes the prosperity,

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and how those two things interact with each other.

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Speaker 1: What would you say is the most left wing position

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that you held, Like how far left do you think

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you had gone?

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Speaker 3: That's a version of the question I like to ask

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when I asked when I talked to the d R

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whatever they're called right now, the true right, I'd kind

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of like that phrase, though they won't scale the serious right,

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the serious right, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 2: Illuminated right.

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Speaker 1: You gotta do the eyebrows when you do when you

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say serious right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like to ask right wingers, like how far back

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in time would you go before you're considered left wing?

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Like everybody's kind of left wing at some point in time,

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Like do you want to go back to feudal society?

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You know, like where's your breaking the Enlightenment? Where's your

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breaking point at a certain point? It doesn't even make sense. Well,

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I think that there's two different kinds of It depends

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on what you mean by left, because the left can

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mean liberalism, egalitarianism, radical egalitarianism, or it can mean proceduralism,

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00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,720
certain tenets like the blank slate, the way that government

478
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,759
can be run by considering everybody as a rational agent

479
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:55,359
that can kind of invent themselves or reinvent themselves in

480
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,359
any given election system or season.

481
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,319
Speaker 2: About the heat map, the heat map.

482
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: Were you ever on that part of the Were you

483
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,759
ever that heat map where you cared more for the

484
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,319
people who were furthest away from you than the people

485
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,720
who were in your immediate orbit.

486
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 3: Uh No, But that doesn't mean, like there's probably a

487
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,920
third dimension like do I even care? You know, like

488
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,079
this kind of the nihilistic do I even care? Like

489
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:31,440
how much care do I even have?

490
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: You know?

491
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,039
Speaker 3: But like I said when I I always kind of

492
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,480
because of my training in Russian bah you know, school

493
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,079
of ethics and politics, and also my Christianity. I think

494
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,200
Christianity has a universalism to it. But the universalism is

495
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:59,839
bounded by the dimensions of the creator and the created,

496
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,559
like the individual and God, and then everything is bounded

497
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,440
by that. So I can't care about anybody if I

498
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,400
don't care about myself, and I can't care about myself

499
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,240
if I don't extend my care to other people. But

500
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,200
how much can I reasonably care for other people? How much?

501
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:24,880
There's a hubris in the heart of progressivism, and the

502
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:31,519
phrase is effective altruism. If you look at the Gilded

503
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:38,039
Age in America, like these these barons created modernity through industrialization,

504
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,240
and then once they solved the world, they said, well,

505
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,119
we have to solve more things. They took this problem

506
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,960
solving mindset to humanity in general, and they would think, well,

507
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,400
we have to solve hunger, and then we have to

508
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,279
solve population. We solved hunger, now we have to solve population.

509
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,640
So actually now we have more hunger. There's net more

510
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,400
hunger in the world because we're feeding more people. And

511
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,480
there's this idea that you can solve problems, you can

512
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,720
solve the world that I think is at the heart

513
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:15,240
of leftism in a way, and I don't think that

514
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,799
that's possible without massive amounts of technological prowess. But with

515
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,119
every progressive technological leap, there becomes more and more problems

516
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,680
to solve. And if you have that problem solving mindset,

517
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,960
you erect these huge structures that then devour the world

518
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880
in this seek of in the search of ending hunger

519
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,680
or ending this problem, they problematize the whole thing. And

520
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640
it's a vicious feedback cycle. And I don't think that

521
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,519
it is I think it's hubristic. I think it's Faustian.

522
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,599
I think it's Luciferian. And I have all those components

523
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,640
in me because I am a Western man, so I

524
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,759
am Luciferian, I am Faustian.

525
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: And how I.

526
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: Think there's two types of foulism, one which is I

527
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,559
can solve all these problems. The other is my spirit

528
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,200
needs to understand the world. There's this I wish I

529
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,880
had it memorized. There's this book by Couri McCarthy Blood Meridian,

530
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,720
and there's this character, and it's one of the most

531
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:24,359
startling characters in American fiction literature, the Judge. And he

532
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,519
has this notebook. He's going around, he's documenting everything. You

533
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,519
draw pictures, and then he'd burn the pictures and stuff,

534
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,319
and everybody one person asked him, like, why are you

535
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,079
doing this? And he has this phrase, I wish I

536
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:42,920
had it memorized about. I like, that which exists doesn't

537
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,079
have my consent to exist until I understand it, Like

538
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,960
there's this I have to approve of things through my

539
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,039
knowing of it, through my domination of it. And that

540
00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:01,359
spirit in its in its deleterious or degenerator form, is leftism,

541
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,559
but it's also rightism. It's Western, like the Western modernity.

542
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,000
Even though we try to escape from this left right polarity,

543
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,719
we could problematize it. But they are two sides of

544
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,760
the same coin. And I understand to a certain extent,

545
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:23,039
though I completely disagree with the application of the term

546
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239
woke right, but I do understand that there are there

547
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,559
is a spirit that is similar between the left and

548
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,960
the right, and the centrist the woke centrist. If they

549
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,599
start calling one, I'm against the woke left, and now

550
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,599
I'm going to invent this term the woke right, and

551
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,320
they're the woke center. They still have this hubistic Fostian thing.

552
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,679
If I understand, if I can categorize the whole thing,

553
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,639
I can solve all this problem. I can solve these

554
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,800
political problems. I can solve these problems of humanity. And

555
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,079
I think that there's this other manner in which we

556
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,119
engage with suffering that Christ lays out, where we don't

557
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,760
try to solve the problems. That God is created in

558
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,840
this world. We can take responsibility for the problem. Say

559
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,199
we are fallen. I participate in this fallen world, but

560
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,559
you don't. The Catholic Church doesn't set up charities Modern

561
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:17,960
Catholicism aside. But they don't set up charities to solve hunger.

562
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,719
They set up charities to ease the suffering of those

563
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,360
who suffer. And there's a different humble relationship that then

564
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,000
is empowered by the Western imagination and the Western Faustian spirit.

565
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:34,119
Once it's organized correctly, like God is going to take

566
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,280
care of all these things, I can take care of myself.

567
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,280
And in order to to pay it forward or to

568
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,480
fulfill the gifts that I've been given. I need to

569
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,599
help other people in some manner, some way, shape or form.

570
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,920
I need to be helpful. I need to be a contributive,

571
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,840
contributing member of society, right, And that's kind of rite coded,

572
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,840
to be a contributing, hard working member of society. It's

573
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,960
I to write coded, but that is still I still

574
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,440
owe something to society. Society doesn't owe me anything, but

575
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,559
I have a debt to society and I need to

576
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,280
pay it off some way, shape or form. I really

577
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,199
problematize that in a ill in a sense, and that's

578
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,000
my problem. That's why I do the interviews and not

579
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,039
get interviewed, because I do the Jordan Peterson thing. Well,

580
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,079
it depends on what the word mean means.

581
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: You know.

582
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: The best critique, the best justification I've heard for the

583
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,960
term woke right is that the left is seeking to

584
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,199
tear down historic medicine, and so is the right in

585
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,159
some way. So is like the serious right, or you know,

586
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,559
the is you know my I've said it probably won't

587
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:49,440
happen in my lifetime. I won't be responsible for it,

588
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,039
but I just want to contribute, as you know, as

589
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,400
much as I can to the destruction of the post

590
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,079
war consensus myth, the post war myth. I want that gone.

591
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,679
And I can see how someone can go, well, I mean,

592
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,599
you're just basically trying to do the same thing that

593
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,559
you know that leftists do when they tear down the

594
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,760
myth of the founding or you know, the myth of

595
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,599
you know. So, I think that's probably the closest, the closest,

596
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,039
the best understanding of how somebody can call what is

597
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,840
probably one of the worst terms ever horseshoe theory, but

598
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,760
you know you can, Yeah, I think horseshoe theory.

599
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: Is like, oh, horsesho theory.

600
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:36,599
Speaker 1: Like horses there for the same Well, these are the

601
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,760
same people, The same people who use the term horseshoe theory,

602
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:44,800
are the same people who think that like socialism in

603
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:51,280
Spain in Spain pre Spanish Civil War is the same

604
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,199
thing as a socialism that was in Germany in the

605
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,679
nineteen thirties. They're not near, They're they're not even close

606
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,079
to the same thing. And I'm too lazy too, and

607
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,360
I'm too bought into capitalism as the way through and

608
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,639
the way out, it as our Western religion that I

609
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,559
just have to lump all socialism or all quote unquote authoritarians.

610
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,400
You know, oh, Germany fought Russian World War two. Well,

611
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,280
that's just too authoritarians fighting over who's going to be

612
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,480
the main authoritarian, and they just break everything down to

613
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,320
the simplest explanation. And I think that's what horseshoe theory is.

614
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,239
It's just a simple explanation for a complex historical subject

615
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,239
that people aren't willing to read and study about.

616
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 3: Well, it's really really scary. One of the major events

617
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,400
in my corner of the Internet, which is so I

618
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:52,519
came into this business at the dawn of this idw

619
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,039
thing intellectual dark web. Jordan Peterson was on the ascendancy,

620
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,679
and he peeked out beyond anybody's imagination, and he had

621
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,079
people in his orbit that were all kind of tied together.

622
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,440
And for some weird reason, Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris

623
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,920
would sell out stadiums talking about truth. Right, So there

624
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960
was a kind of a magic moment in that, and

625
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,280
it had a bunch of effects. The podcasting new media

626
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,360
came of age, you know, it was just kind of

627
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,079
dicking around on the Internet, and Carl Benjamin Sargon of

628
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,039
the cod really exemplifies this maturation from I'm going to

629
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:41,800
make ship posts and articulate an argument against my enemies,

630
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,760
the SGAWS, and then start to well, actually, I have

631
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,559
to understand what I'm fighting for. I have to understand

632
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,920
this liberalism thing, and then kind of disappearing for a

633
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,000
while and coming back with an education and really with

634
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,599
a set of tools. And James Lindsay and I did

635
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,960
a lot of content during the woke era covering the

636
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,039
you know, the genealogy of this woke stuff. And I

637
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,599
was tied to postmodernism, tied to critical theory, and we

638
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,119
kind of we parted way as me and James at

639
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:16,119
a certain point because I started to talk to people

640
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,440
with different points of view than this liberal constitutional conservatism.

641
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,000
And one of the main events that happened, it happened

642
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,800
about a year ago. Darryl Cooper, I believe you guys

643
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,679
have spoken on.

644
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: Your show, right, Yeah? We Yeah, Daryl and I know

645
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:33,679
each other.

646
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you guys know each other. When he

647
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:41,440
went on Tucker Tucker's a freaking genius. He's such he's

648
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
a low key, he's such a trouble.

649
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 1: Maker, he's such a he somehow has figured out how

650
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,000
to ship post on his podcast like.

651
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,119
Speaker 3: Major, Like he's just brilliant. I would love to interview

652
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:59,079
him one day. He's on my bucket list someday. But

653
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,960
when he set up Cooper to fall by calling him,

654
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:10,400
he just knows how to stir shit, and Tucker's very adept.

655
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't.

656
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't purity spiral, but he'll cause them to show

657
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,360
the friend enemy distinction. And he did that with Cooper

658
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,760
about a year ago, and Constantine Kissing decided that that

659
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,719
was well. Constantine had. He's part of Triggeronometry. He's very,

660
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,280
very successful in the same business that I am. He's

661
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
just an interviewer, but he actually the one.

662
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,599
Speaker 1: He's actually the one who said who talked about how

663
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,599
both sides want to destroy myths, and that's actually the

664
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,599
person I okay, I heard articulated the best. I mean,

665
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,519
other people have articulated it poorly, but he actually did

666
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:44,800
it in sort of a good way.

667
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, well he went yeah. And so Cooper

668
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,559
saying offhandedly that Churchill and was totally in context, is

669
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,800
just a conversation starter, you know, just something a little

670
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,480
edgy to get a conversation going. And the way that

671
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:08,280
the so called open minded marketplace of ideas set took

672
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,760
his conversation starter of let's do an experiment, a thought experiment.

673
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,679
Churchill is the worst guy in World War Two. He's

674
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,599
the chief felain. What do we have to do to

675
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:21,480
make that make sense? Now? Whether or not you believe

676
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,519
in it is one thing, but just proposing that as

677
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,519
a thought experiment should be open game. It's a rich way.

678
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,320
We all know. Alternative history is such an interesting topic.

679
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,079
There's this subreddit alled history, which was really kind of

680
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,639
cool back in the day, but he eventually all became

681
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,719
about Every other post is about Hitler, every like that.

682
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,679
We can't get around, like why are we like, okay,

683
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,840
what if Hitler, you know, like took opium instead of

684
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,679
rent free?

685
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:55,679
Speaker 1: Rent free? In the majority of mankind's brain, he's just

686
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,000
living the rent free eighty years after he's dead. In

687
00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:59,679
the majority of mankind's brain.

688
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: He won.

689
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:06,039
Speaker 3: He won World War two. And being able to enter

690
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:11,880
into that conversation, or the inability to enter into that conversation,

691
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,360
shows the limit of the classical liberals and the classical liberals,

692
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,920
some of which are the left left mees, and a

693
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,639
lot of them go on a journey of not making

694
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:29,039
it inside of the institution, and so started criticizing the institution.

695
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,599
And when the institution really needed to be criticized, BLM

696
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,079
and covid era, a lot of these classical liberals were

697
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:42,639
on the ascendant. And when the conversation started to drift

698
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,360
away from being anti woke, that's where I parted ways

699
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,280
with them, because I want to entertain deeper levels of

700
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,079
questioning and they don't. They want to cling to a

701
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:00,679
certain mythos and so they, through their horses theory, say

702
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,920
anybody who is eroding this myth or questioning this myth,

703
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,719
or causing this myth to be questioned is an enemy.

704
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,159
And then they'll go on these rants about how the

705
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:13,960
friend enemy distinction is Nazism. We need to avoid that

706
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,079
while they participate in the same thing, and so these

707
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:22,840
blind spots arise. It's really fascinating to me. I forgot

708
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,920
how we pushed off on that, just the Cooper thing,

709
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,760
the mythos thing, and then well, where do we go

710
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,320
from now?

711
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,639
Speaker 1: And yeah, you talked, you just talked about how how

712
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Tucker caused everybody, how he can do that, and then

713
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:44,159
how basically by Cooper just doing a real quick hypothetical, Yeah,

714
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,280
it caused it exposed the classic.

715
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: It exposed the friend enemy distinction where there had been

716
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,960
assumably no such friend enemy distinction. Now COVID had done

717
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,480
the same thing, and I watched this the idw was

718
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:05,360
over as soon as it was named. Eric Weinstein created

719
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,480
it and destroyed it in the same article.

720
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: So that sounds like punk rock, John, I forget who

721
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,039
said it was. Someone said punk rock died the first time,

722
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:16,400
someone said let's start a punk man.

723
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so so the main that's why the main

724
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,119
questions now I think are Britain and Israel.

725
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 3: Those are the two main questions. And until we figure

726
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,039
out the right way to articulate those two stories, those

727
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:41,280
two myths, that's kind of where the conversation is stuck

728
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,880
right now. How do we have a Britain for the

729
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,440
British or in England for the English? Rather, Sorry, I

730
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,760
was schooled on that when I had Connor Tomlinson on

731
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,760
my show just a couple of days ago. How can

732
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,320
we square Israel for Jews and not have England for

733
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,920
the English? How do we have any for the English?

734
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:06,440
Now America is a different problem or a different story,

735
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:12,039
But to those two miniature stories will help guide our

736
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,480
conversation on our quest for American identity. And I think

737
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:22,519
American identity is always going to be really dynamic because

738
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:28,440
it's too big and too shallow to really be something

739
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,079
that people will live and die for. And so I

740
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,840
have a bus route right now, I do podcasting, and

741
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,000
I have a little I work for a little school

742
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,440
district out in the country here, and I spend a

743
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,280
lot of time just driving through the country. And there's

744
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,159
something that's just nagging at me this year about the land,

745
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,800
Like the land and the people have a communication that

746
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,119
is much deeper than politics, but it is the most

747
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,920
political thing. And so I go online and I hear

748
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,920
all these stories about Israel or Britain or the woke

749
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,400
or the woke ride, or like all these big economic

750
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,480
questions and these political questions. But it doesn't really make

751
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:20,280
sense until I can square it with these people that

752
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,639
I drive their kids around live in this place, and

753
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,159
it's got its own character. It's got its relationship to

754
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,880
sunlight that's different than the West side of Washington, and

755
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:34,880
there's not a lot of money out here, so it's

756
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,519
not really cosmopolitan. So there's a particularity to these people

757
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:47,159
and America, something that I try to really understand is

758
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,119
how America is tied to itself by these roads. And

759
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,800
you can drive down the same road one hundred times

760
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,440
and not really understand how this part of the road

761
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,360
turns into this part of the road. But there's all

762
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,760
these little chat I go over the hill and I'm

763
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,039
in a different area and it's tied to this other area.

764
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,480
But there's there's these places where it's neither this place

765
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,599
nor that place, and you can kind of feel it changing.

766
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,760
And once you start to understand that this huge land

767
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,320
mass has all these different pockets, and then these people

768
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,400
fill up these pockets and become a part of the pockets,

769
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:23,239
and then our culture adapts to that. Our mode of being,

770
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,119
our spiritual our awareness. Spirituality is basically just our awareness

771
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:32,119
of reality. It all is shaped by those containers and

772
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,719
they all kind of flow together by these roads. And

773
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,400
America is a story of pavement, of connecting all these

774
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
things through all these different levels. Trains and then pavement,

775
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:49,039
and now technology, these landlines and then these satellites. But

776
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,440
we're all still kind of these creatures that are inside

777
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,400
and outside of reality, and we get swept up in

778
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
these big moments. I guess I'll end here the Ida

779
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,199
came together, and it broke apart and broke apart in

780
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,639
successive waves by these different topics that would break it apart.

781
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Dave Rubin, who I don't admire at all for a

782
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,159
variety of reasons, but he was instrumental in platforming Brett

783
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,960
and therefore platforming me and getting the Stewart giving the

784
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,280
Evergreen Story traction. He was all about free speech, and

785
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,960
then October seventh happened, and a week later he's like,

786
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,519
free speech needs to end, like here's where freedom of

787
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:33,039
speech ends, and self serving, So like, okay, well you

788
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:38,639
get yours, how do I get mine? Where's my ability

789
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,760
to make the exception? And the classical liberals want to

790
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,480
be able to make the exception. They want the institutions back.

791
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:50,400
I want some institutions because we have so much infrastructure

792
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,320
that requires a ton of shit, ton of competence, but

793
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,280
it also needs work ethic, and it also needs love

794
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,320
and care. It needs somebody who cares enough and is

795
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,199
is fulfilled enough by the meaning of their own life

796
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,840
to take care of more and more people to lift

797
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,599
up to run these power plants. And so we're living

798
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,320
at this this My wife and I we talk a

799
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,239
lot about it, and our political conversation always kind of

800
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,599
ends by, well, no matter what scale is the problem,

801
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,559
No matter what, we can't have a king, we can't

802
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:27,920
have democracy, we can't have this or that thing because

803
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,599
of the scale. Well how do we scale back? We can't.

804
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:33,639
So we're like at this inflection point. And then whatever

805
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:35,280
AI is going to do with that, I don't know

806
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,000
what it's going to do.

807
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh, it's always going to come down to

808
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,960
And I don't care whether you're the IDW you're the

809
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,119
classical liberal, the James Lindsay crowd. It's always going to

810
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:55,119
come down to individualism versus collectivism and the individual. The

811
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:59,400
classical liberal wants to concentrate on the individual until someone

812
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,119
challenges classic liberalism, and of course they tribe up, but

813
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,119
they the issue. The issue I see is that when

814
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,280
you mentioned Israel, you may you know, and using England

815
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:20,039
as an example, is that I think a lot of

816
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:25,280
people will look at Israel and go, look, seventy million

817
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,400
people died to prevent exactly what you are. And then

818
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:37,840
after the war, a lot of people who had money

819
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,599
and had influence and had power have bragged about the

820
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,239
fact that they wanted they wanted every other nation in

821
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,119
Europe and in the West and America to not be

822
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,920
an ethno state, but to be overrun and be multicultural.

823
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:57,719
And it just so happens that a lot of those

824
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,320
foundations and a lot of those individuals have Jewish last names.

825
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,880
And that I think is another thing that goes to

826
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,119
the woke right. You know, it's like, this is something

827
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:16,840
you'll see even quote unquote right wingers say because well,

828
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,519
when you when you're talking about one group. Oh and

829
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:21,840
I heard Tucker Carlson say this in the Nick foyte

830
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,159
Nick Foyante's interview, and it was one of one of

831
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,159
those things where Tucker said it, and I'm like, yeah, Tucker,

832
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:31,519
you're just wrong. He said, you can't judge people. You

833
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,199
have to judge people as interdividuals. You can't judge people

834
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:37,840
as groups, because you know, a woman doesn't give birth

835
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:45,119
to a group. And I'm like, except for Sarah and

836
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:47,760
the Jews, and the Jews looking there like we were

837
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,000
giving Sarah gave birth to us. We're a group. We're insular,

838
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,519
We're we're a closed society. That's why we can't be

839
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,880
that's why we can't deal with infiltration. That's why we

840
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,039
can't self criticize because as soon as we self criticize,

841
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:09,079
we we start to threaten the cohesiveness of what we're doing,

842
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,840
of this project. And I think that's another place that

843
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,400
the Wolk right goes to, is you go to this

844
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,079
individual versus collectivism. And now you see a lot of

845
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,639
the people, a lot of the right, you know, the

846
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:25,119
serious right in Europe and in the United States, going yeah,

847
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:29,760
this individualism has has basically destroyed us while we're being individuals.

848
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,119
There's one group over here and another group over here,

849
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,880
and another group over here that are coming together, and

850
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,679
they're just destroying us because we can't come together. And

851
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,280
not only can't we come together, because it's just not

852
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,960
in the European you know, Europeans naturally go towards individualism.

853
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,480
It's illegal for us to come together. What banner do

854
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,760
we come together under? Do the Irish now just with

855
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,199
the Irish, to Spanish with the Spanish, the English with

856
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,039
the English? Or do we say okay, white Europe And

857
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,840
as soon as you say, oh, white Europe is going

858
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,679
to come together, well, then that has that has to

859
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:12,440
be destroyed. Even though every other group, every other group

860
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,239
is acting as a group. MM hmm.

861
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,639
Speaker 3: It's such a it's I just had Nick land On.

862
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,679
I was he was so gracious to me.

863
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: You were let me tell you something. Of Oran is

864
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:33,400
a friend of mine. I love Oran, but your interview

865
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,519
with him was you know, it made more sense to

866
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,039
me it there was something, There was some way you

867
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:45,400
were able to corral him and keep him focused that

868
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,480
I don't think Oran was, And especially when Oran had

869
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,280
had him with uh with Dugan. Yeah, that was just

870
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,199
all over the place.

871
00:54:53,239 --> 00:55:00,679
Speaker 3: And really yeah, yeah, blame I blame my interview with

872
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,400
land On. Land He is such a galaxy brain guy.

873
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,639
For some reason, he had found my work and he'd

874
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,800
listened to me, so he already kind of knew me.

875
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,119
So he came there and he brought him to me.

876
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:17,360
He brought himself to me. I didn't have to go

877
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,719
to him, not in a scheduling manner, but he brought

878
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,679
the conversation to my level, and he trusted me. He

879
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,480
trusted it within that boundedness of connection. He just he

880
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,519
liked me. There's so you can do so much in

881
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,800
a conversation if you like somebody. And just as a

882
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,280
side point, there's these cancelation campaigns, soft cancelation campaigns by

883
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,840
the uh the anti woke crowd. We're like, who are

884
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,559
you platforming? Well, we don't want like the kiss it

885
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,440
when Tucker had points on and the Babylon b guys

886
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,119
who were deplatformed and then replatformed by Elon or now,

887
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,960
well we don't we don't want to that. You can't

888
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:04,119
talk to these people. But are you?

889
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: Are you challenging them?

890
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you asking tough enough questions? That's what

891
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,679
people said about me interviewing Dugan because he's a Satanist

892
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,719
or whatever. But did you ask tough enough question? I'm like,

893
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,480
you don't understand what my art form is. I don't

894
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:23,119
challenge people. I don't have the power to challenge people.

895
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,320
I only have the power to listen and to meet

896
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,440
people where they are. And I have to be agreeable.

897
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,840
I don't have to agree, but I have to be

898
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,480
agreeable in order to get to the next level of

899
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,159
the conversation. I don't want to argue. I'm bad at arguing.

900
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,559
I'm bad at debating. But I don't like it either.

901
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:41,639
I want to go deeper. I want to get into

902
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,519
understanding who this person is because that and that goes

903
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,119
back to what we were talking about what I was

904
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:52,559
talking about with Christianity is the transcendent comes through the imminent.

905
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,880
We participate in these these really high level discussions by

906
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,360
by going through who we are, like why do I

907
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,760
believe the way? Why do I think anyway? So Land

908
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:09,440
talked about this really interesting study or theory or maybe

909
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,159
it's data, I don't know. About Western Europe, there was

910
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:18,320
a ban on cousin marriage, and that genetically altered us.

911
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,280
To have outgroup preference and to have that heap map

912
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,960
is a byproduct of Christianity in a certain form saying

913
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,519
don't marry your cousins. And so we were allowed or

914
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:34,440
able to scale in this way of having room for

915
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,119
the individual, having distance between me and my clan, having

916
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,920
this ability to trade ideas and goods with people that

917
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:48,199
are not like me, and at some point scale corrupted

918
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,199
us when we started to interact with these groups who

919
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,960
don't behave that way, are not programmed genetically that way,

920
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,719
and so they those groups have certain strengths, And I

921
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,119
think it's it's almost like we're at this point where

922
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:08,199
we want that, we want to be tribal, but we

923
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,920
just there's something about it that is foreign to us.

924
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 2: We're kind of.

925
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: Like like on the other side, we're kind of thrust

926
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,480
out of Eden. In this way, this faustian aspect of

927
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,639
us that we wrestle with give us, gives us so

928
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,159
much power and freedom and the ability to explore, the

929
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,920
ability to not need. But it also it has this

930
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,599
we send ourselves into space, the space of nihilism and

931
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,920
the space between planets. We just do that, and so

932
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,159
we're always kind of like reaching out. And I think

933
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:40,320
a part of our divorce rate is because of that.

934
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,800
We just don't we're just like you are you and

935
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,400
I am me? And how do we we go to

936
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:49,039
counseling to get all these communication tools? So we proceduralize

937
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:54,480
this feeling of closeness when we we're just outside of closeness.

938
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:58,679
We're just outside of it. There's something to the Western

939
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,039
mind and spirit that is that's just who we are,

940
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:08,440
and so we universalize and and I don't until we

941
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,000
accept that about ourselves, we can't solve that problem. And

942
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,760
until we we accept that about ourselves, we can't. We

943
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,639
need the classical liberals doing their thing and then through

944
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:25,039
them talking them off of that totally autistic or overly

945
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:28,280
emotional ledge back to some sort of react, well, okay,

946
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,480
what how does that make sense? We're not blank slakes.

947
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,719
That group is different. I don't need to judge them.

948
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:37,800
I can still have those I can have. I have

949
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,440
progressive lenses. I have this joke, this meme about the

950
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,679
progressive where I can see things really close and really far,

951
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,199
but like the middle distance is kind of like weird,

952
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:48,760
you know.

953
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,599
Speaker 2: And and.

954
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,119
Speaker 3: I think there's there's this way where we are called

955
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:04,400
to be bigger, be greater, and so tribalism, which some

956
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,159
people call racism, is always going to be beneath us

957
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,119
in a way, like it just it doesn't quite work

958
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,079
we go overboard with it, or we can't really collectivize

959
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,400
and we can't outgroup correctly. I don't know, there's this

960
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,639
way that I kind of see their point, but I

961
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:27,199
also see the dr point. But I also say, well,

962
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:33,039
how does Europe reform? We were at a beautiful event

963
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:38,159
and I talked to one of the event organizers and speakers, Skilos,

964
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:45,920
and he talked about neo feudalism, and he contextualized the

965
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:49,119
project of what they're trying to allow for young men

966
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:53,679
to grasp at is this relationship to time that is

967
01:00:53,960 --> 01:01:00,519
much greater then line go up. Then you know my

968
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:03,280
own like, how do I retires? Like how do I

969
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,760
create a legacy? How do I How is my name

970
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,440
going to be remembered in a hundred years? And it's

971
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,880
it's it's going back through. It's my family, it's my child,

972
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,480
it's my relationships with my community and building back up

973
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,519
from that. So it's that that Faustian spirit that's really

974
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,760
grounded in the particular, and and and it requires us

975
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,079
to have a ton of patients, and a ton of

976
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:34,440
ambition and a ton a shit ton of work ethic.

977
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:45,519
Speaker 1: So feudalism basically tied people to the land, and that's

978
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:49,679
something that has been engineered out of us. It's you know,

979
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,599
we you know, if you grow up where I live

980
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:54,800
right now, where I don't live where I grew up.

981
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,159
I chose very strategically to live where I live right now.

982
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,039
But if you if you grew up here. A lot

983
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,559
of the people I know, they're not looking to leave.

984
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,800
They know that this they're tied to this land. They

985
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,920
don't invest in like I'll talk to people, you know,

986
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,920
I talked to a friend of mine. He's like, my

987
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,920
family has never invested in stocks. We always just buy land.

988
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:20,760
And we buy more of the land of the town

989
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,800
and everything, and that's something that ties people to the land.

990
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,400
Feudalism also tied people to the land. It basically made

991
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,320
sure that your your children would be would be a part.

992
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,480
You're not going anywhere. And the problem is is that

993
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:41,840
we've been engineered to believe that no line go up.

994
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,880
If your bank account is not constantly growing, if your

995
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,119
investment account is not constantly growing, if you're not trying

996
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:54,880
to move into like the the hot zip code, you know,

997
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,199
the the hot zip code, then you're a failure. You're

998
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,960
a failure. You're you're not living the American dream. And

999
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:10,199
it makes one wonder whether what exactly what exactly we

1000
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:16,320
bought into, you know, okay, capitalism, Yeah, you know the

1001
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:20,360
average person. You know, I may my life. I may

1002
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,239
actually have a better life and live a richer life

1003
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:25,880
than a lot of kings did five six, you know,

1004
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,000
a thousand years ago, fifteen hundred years ago. Okay, But

1005
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:33,320
what does that? What does that mean? What exactly does

1006
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,679
that mean? Am I passing on a kingdom when I die?

1007
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,559
Am I what exactly am What exactly are people being

1008
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,360
bred to do? And it seems to me that people

1009
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,679
are being bred to perpetuate a system of financialization. We

1010
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:56,679
don't have a manufacturer. We're not a manufacturing country. We

1011
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,719
don't make things here. Yeah, we make things here, Okay, Yeah,

1012
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,440
but you know, the exception proves the rule. We're a

1013
01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:10,920
financialized We're a financialized society. Financialization is naturally high time preference.

1014
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,639
And if you're living in a if you're living in

1015
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:19,320
a society that is naturally high time preference, that starts

1016
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,960
to rub off on you and everything becomes high time

1017
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,760
preference in your life, even your own behavior. I've heard people,

1018
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,440
you know, I've heard libertarians say like, yeah, I came

1019
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,079
out of libertarianism in arcoal capitalism, and I think we

1020
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,239
talked about this when I was on your show, and

1021
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,320
the they have this idea that if people could just

1022
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,119
be more wealthy, that they'll make better decisions. And I'm

1023
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:48,840
like that history doesn't History doesn't tell me that. History

1024
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,519
tells me that when societies become more wealthy, they become

1025
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:56,599
more degenerate. And you may not think, you know, the

1026
01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:00,039
average person may not think they're wealthy, but compared to

1027
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,000
to ninety nine point nine percent of the people who

1028
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:08,440
ever lived, they are insane. They're abundantly wealthy, and you know,

1029
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:11,400
how how are we living? How are we living? You know?

1030
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,199
And I asked that, and people immediately want to go, well,

1031
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,039
I'm doing great, you know, I'm following. No, it's it's

1032
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:21,079
we How are we living? How are we living as

1033
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:24,440
a society? How is your how is your group living?

1034
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,239
If your group is living you know historically, as Thomas says,

1035
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,920
we we want to live historically. We want to have

1036
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,639
a historical outlook on how we live. If that's fine,

1037
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,400
but you have to understand that we live in a society.

1038
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,599
As much as people want, you know, hate to hear

1039
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:44,599
that because they want to be individuals, the society is going.

1040
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,440
If society goes to shit, it is going to come

1041
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:55,400
for you, no matter how well you're doing. Yeah, it

1042
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,440
wasn't a question.

1043
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,199
Speaker 3: No, no, what one part of it made me think

1044
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,639
about the Israel and Britain question. I spoke with one

1045
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:10,280
of the Lotus eaters or ex Lotus eaters work on

1046
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:17,800
Carl's project. He's a conservative's a brit And no, it

1047
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,000
wasn't Connor. It was a I don't want to shoot,

1048
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:26,079
I don't want to stop, the look it up. I'm

1049
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:27,599
really bad with these little things.

1050
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:29,639
Speaker 1: Is he still on loadus? Heater?

1051
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:37,239
Speaker 3: No, he left, but he Uh. What we ended up

1052
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:41,000
talking about was like, well, British identity and what is it?

1053
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:46,519
What are they fight? Josh firm and he would talk.

1054
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,320
We were just talking about his life and his outlook

1055
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,599
and and he kept on talking about going home to

1056
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:59,440
the English countryside and the shire. And I think Israel's

1057
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,000
identity is about this land, you know, like that their

1058
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:06,400
whole claim and why it captures our mythos.

1059
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: It's that land.

1060
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,039
Speaker 3: That land means something in Britain means something as a

1061
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,079
piece of land, and America means something as a piece

1062
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:17,480
of land. But I'm outside of that. I'm totally.

1063
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:19,119
Speaker 2: Just not.

1064
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 3: Connected to the land. I drive. We just I've bought

1065
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,119
my first house, well bought whatever that means. You know,

1066
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,920
I'm paying paying the bank for something repeatedly till I

1067
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,239
die or we move. We just move like I'm not

1068
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,880
really nothing's really mine. I buy things and then I

1069
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,960
sell things, and I drive, and I watch these kids

1070
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,280
who grow up, and there's these little there's these little cultures,

1071
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,639
and every bus route has its own little group of

1072
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:49,760
kids who kind of know each other and they behave

1073
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,920
in different ways. There's kind of lower class kids and

1074
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,440
higher class kids, and they behave in different ways, and

1075
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,800
they have different responsibilities that are kind of put upon

1076
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:04,880
them from the parents. And I don't know how long

1077
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,920
have you been living where you live?

1078
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: We bought this place two and a half years ago.

1079
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:12,920
I've been in Alabama about three and a half years.

1080
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:15,519
Speaker 3: Three and a half years, yeah, like, is that long enough.

1081
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,560
I moved to Portland in two thousand. Then I moved

1082
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:24,000
to Olympia in twenty ten, and we finally moved from

1083
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:26,000
the west side of the state to the east side

1084
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,840
of the state. And it's a different place and the

1085
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,159
people are different. But am I changed. I wrote this

1086
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:36,600
one story kind of subconsciously thinking through these questions about

1087
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,920
this Western identity, and one of the characters he was

1088
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,439
able to go from. It was set in like eighteen

1089
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,319
twenty France, and at that point there was these different

1090
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,840
places in France who they still had different languages. They

1091
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:58,399
hadn't been modernized. What modernity did was it broke Europe

1092
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,319
into these states and impose these languages on these states.

1093
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,920
And France had all these tiny little regions and then

1094
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,800
they forced everybody to speak French. A very particular, engineered

1095
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,000
form of French at that where they dropped. That's when

1096
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,000
they started speaking funny because it was higher class to

1097
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,359
speak in this way. But this character was able to

1098
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:27,640
go to this completely distinct people and just fit right

1099
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,960
in with them and like vibe with them, and they

1100
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:33,680
vibe with somebody else. But who was He wasn't any person.

1101
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,600
It was this kind of this key master, right, this

1102
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,960
kind of not necessarily postmodern, but there's a postmodern aesthetic

1103
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,560
where I can relate to these people. I can relate

1104
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,319
to that people. I can relate to this people, and

1105
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,359
I can kind of feel the difference. But I'm missing

1106
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:53,800
something of that particularity myself. But at the same time,

1107
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,039
I have a condensed form of particularity in my individuality.

1108
01:09:57,279 --> 01:09:59,600
I'm Benjamin Boyce. I have a way of that I speak,

1109
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:04,039
way of being that is a little bit more distinct.

1110
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:08,439
So I do have a particularity, it's it's more granular.

1111
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:13,359
But I'm I don't have that rootedness. I don't know

1112
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,560
if I'll ever have that rootedness. I'm almost fifty. I

1113
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,079
don't think I'll ever I'll ever get that. I think

1114
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:19,920
there's a reason why gen X isn't going to have

1115
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,520
the White House. Like we are kind of we're not

1116
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,880
a lost generation. We're kind of a meta generation. We're

1117
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,319
kind of the footnotes and the headers, you know, we're

1118
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,720
the kind of the scribbles in the marginalia. We're like

1119
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:35,359
the marginalia generation. And so we have an ability to

1120
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,520
be outside and so our I think our purpose is

1121
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,920
to is to really help formulate where the next generation

1122
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:47,680
is going. We're not going to have a point. I

1123
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,520
guess we have Tucker, right, Tucker's a gen X, you think, yeah,

1124
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,640
so we have the commentariat, we have a we have

1125
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,159
a we have an ability to to take what was

1126
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:05,319
and give it to the next generation. We have the ability,

1127
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,960
we have the flexibility to kind of vibe with the kids.

1128
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:11,319
We can use their memes and we can get away

1129
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:13,479
with not being so too cringe when we act like

1130
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,960
childish ship posters. We can do our we can do

1131
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,399
this gitzo posting. But we're strangers in a strange land,

1132
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,520
and I think that that that has an impact on us,

1133
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,600
but it also gives us the responsibility to urge or

1134
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,840
to guide guide the guide the future.

1135
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 2: In some way.

1136
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,279
Speaker 3: We have a limited window where we're going to be relevant,

1137
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,239
And we're only going to be relevant insofar as we

1138
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:42,079
give the tools, the analysis tools, the critiques, and then

1139
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,159
the path towards rootedness to the next generation, even though

1140
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:50,960
we we only know it because we're missing it. And

1141
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,800
I'm speaking universally, so of course it'll break down to

1142
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,159
any given person in gen X is going to have

1143
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:03,760
more rootedness. I do.

1144
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself right wing? Okay, now, right wing?

1145
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,680
When I say that, I'm not talking about the French Parliament,

1146
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,720
I'm not talking about Republican I'm not talking about I'm

1147
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,680
talking about Yeah, well, here's a good one. How would

1148
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:25,399
you define right wing? Do you think under your definition,

1149
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:30,520
under the definition that you understand whether you are and

1150
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,000
when would you say that you cross that rubicon if

1151
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:34,359
you did?

1152
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 3: I guess right wing is on the side of order,

1153
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:50,119
right that nominalism anteenom nomanism. Now I never there's certain

1154
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:52,399
words I can never retain.

1155
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: It's a meanism means against the law.

1156
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 3: For the law.

1157
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,119
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I'm I've never used the term nomianism.

1158
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:07,319
I've always used the term antinomianism.

1159
01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: No, so I'm.

1160
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's order, but there's the judges. I mean go

1161
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,079
back to Israel, go back to ancient Israel. There's a

1162
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:27,199
period of time, there's a book called Judges where Israel

1163
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,760
was going off track, and then there wu be these

1164
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:35,000
people that were called to set it aright, and they

1165
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,159
had to set it a right for a particular time,

1166
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:42,119
for under particular circumstances. I think Samson is the only

1167
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,159
one I've really retained, But maybe Esther's in there now.

1168
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:46,000
She has her own book, Judith.

1169
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: Maybe.

1170
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: But they come in during a period of crisis, and

1171
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,880
they're flawed characters, which makes them brilliant characters. So they're

1172
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,600
more than mythic. They're legend.

1173
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,359
Speaker 1: Oh, David is the most obvious, and they have that.

1174
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: They have that. It's like Trump, who's like, no, he

1175
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,800
was he was saved from the bullet Charlie wasn't. Trump

1176
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:17,880
was why Dave Smith came to town and did a

1177
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,199
really good set, Like I was really surprised. He did

1178
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:23,199
a lot better than I expected. I didn't think it

1179
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:25,119
would be bad or good, but it was really good.

1180
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:28,920
He had such presence this comedy sketch, and he talked

1181
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about how much he dislikes Trump viscerally, but he voted

1182
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:35,640
for him because how could you not like it's obvious

1183
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,239
that God wants him there for a certain time, for

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01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,720
particular purpose. So we if right wing is about order,

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,600
if right wing is about law, well where does the

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law come from? And who adjudicates the law? Solomon is

1187
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:55,840
a fallen profit. He's probably the lowest prophet I've heard

1188
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,680
in a certain sophistic way of articulating the profits that

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Solomon's the satanic one. He's the one that that is

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,119
on the very lowest part of the hierarchy of the world.

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01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,960
He's in the material level. But even the material level

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has a judge.

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Speaker 1: He reigns during the good times.

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01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 3: He well, and well good times, you know what God means.

1195
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so I am right wing, but I'm for a

1197
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:34,119
right wing that's attenuated to the to the spirit of

1198
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:36,680
God and the spirit of the age, and and that

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takes a certain person to be able to do so

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01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:43,560
I am kind of I ascribe to the Great Men

1201
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,000
kind of version of history.

1202
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:47,359
Speaker 1: Carlisle.

1203
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's heroes that come at a certain point

1204
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,079
in time, and there's certain circumstances that would be considered

1205
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:00,399
left wing or right wing, depending on how you would

1206
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:05,600
view them. I need to have Thomas on He scares

1207
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,720
me because I got in trouble, well, I got strong

1208
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,119
armed by certain people with certain hefty amount of power,

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,760
and because I was talking about with people that you

1210
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,079
shouldn't talk about on certain questions of certain ethno state

1211
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,159
or maybe not in f no state, I don't know.

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,760
But Thomas doesn't give a shit about that, and I

1213
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:30,279
have to Thomas.

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01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: Thomas is probably when it comes to that group, He's

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,119
probably the most level as far as you know. I'm

1216
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:42,880
much more open to having a discussion and throwing everything

1217
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,640
out on its table when it comes to that group

1218
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,960
than he is, only because he sees them as already

1219
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,000
being defeated. He doesn't really see them as being you know,

1220
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,720
it's basically all over but the crying at this point,

1221
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,279
I mean, they're basically every country in the world save

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01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,760
two it looks upon them and is just, you know,

1223
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,000
utterly disgusted. And in this country, you know, they've drop

1224
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:14,720
below fifty percent approval. So when the boomers go, I mean,

1225
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,560
what do they do? And I used to say, well,

1226
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,640
what they'll do is they'll they'll do a false flag

1227
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,520
or something like that, you know, a Muslim false flag

1228
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,359
to get them back. But people wouldn't believe it. People

1229
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,279
aren't going to believe it anymore. I mean normies were like,

1230
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:29,760
as soon as Charlie Kirk got short, Normies were shot.

1231
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:32,600
Normies were like, well, why did Israel kill Charlie Kirk.

1232
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:36,279
It was like the day later there were you know,

1233
01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:38,720
there were normy YouTube channels going why did Israel kill

1234
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,760
Charlie Kirk? And You're like, well, what what what do you?

1235
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,199
What do you? So they couldn't even do they couldn't

1236
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:46,479
even get away with a false flag. Now half the

1237
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,600
country would be like, yeah, we don't believe that. I mean,

1238
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,319
the government would still act and everything, but there'd be

1239
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:54,399
nothing behind it. And they don't. We don't even really

1240
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,239
have a military anymore. It's so it's okay, what what

1241
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:02,680
what would happens? So yeah, I don't think there's any

1242
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,920
fear to have when it comes to having Thomas on.

1243
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:08,479
Thomas is a you know, he's a philosopher.

1244
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I just wanted to say, like, he's not

1245
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:17,720
allergic to certain forms of discourse that are not allowed.

1246
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, certain, Well you put him, you put him

1247
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:23,159
up on a on a panel in front of a

1248
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:26,920
room full of people. He's going to perform, but he

1249
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:28,279
means every word of it.

1250
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I just I I need to have him

1251
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,880
on now I know what to ask, like what is

1252
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:41,279
what are the dimensions of living historically? So right?

1253
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 2: Like?

1254
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,239
Speaker 3: What is right? Like the right way? What is tradition?

1255
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,239
Like right wing is pro tradition? Well, which tradition? My

1256
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:54,640
tradition is leftism. My tradition is modernity. I spoke with

1257
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,800
with Dougan and he's like, I'm anti I'm pro tradition,

1258
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,880
anti modern I'm like, well, modernity is my tradition. What

1259
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,880
do I do? I can't you know a lot of

1260
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:09,840
the discourse around the post liberal rite. I just try

1261
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,640
to get us all to a position like, well, no,

1262
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:16,199
well we're postliberal. There're still liberals. There's certain parts of

1263
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:22,000
liberalism that we are actually trying to save from itself

1264
01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:24,760
because we want certain aspects of it we want. I

1265
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,439
think it's embedded in who we are. It's when we

1266
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:34,119
criticize ourselves for being deracinated and being anti tradition, we

1267
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:37,279
need to realize that that's our Our tradition is post tradition.

1268
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,239
So how do we Where do we go back? Where

1269
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,600
do we go back? We want we want a Walmart

1270
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,399
and a Costco. Well we don't have We're we understand

1271
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:50,800
the language of everybody else around us, but we still

1272
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,520
want the Costco.

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,119
Speaker 1: Well do you think that is why, since especially since

1274
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:59,720
twenty twenty, you've seen so many people embrace Orthodox Christianity

1275
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,520
and and Catholicism is because there's a there's a tradition

1276
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:11,720
there that that predates basically the Enlightenment, predates the Reformation

1277
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,000
which led to the Enlightenment, and they.

1278
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,119
Speaker 2: And well, I mean.

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01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: It seems it seems that people like and also there's

1280
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,960
an identity with it. You know, doctor Matthew R. F. L.

1281
01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:33,960
Johnson always says Russian is Orthodox when you're you know,

1282
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:39,560
when when the Bolsheviks sought to destroy what Russian, what

1283
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,119
it meant to be Russian, they destroyed the Orthodox Church.

1284
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,760
That's the first thing that had to go. So there

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,600
is identity, you know. It's like like historically Spain, what

1286
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,239
do people think Catholicism? You know, so there are groups

1287
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,760
you know, same with same with Ireland. So what is

1288
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,600
uh you know, what is the yeah is that how

1289
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,479
people are embracing tradition by going back to that, and

1290
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,399
then you have people going back to pagan you know,

1291
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,560
jumping jumping over twelve hundred years and going to paganism

1292
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,119
and going, oh, this is this is what my family practice. Well,

1293
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,039
I don't know, you know, maybe you don't know it's

1294
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:21,119
twelve hundred years ago, but sure, why not. That's what

1295
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:24,840
it seems like when when you see this, this phenomenon

1296
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,319
happening is is that is one of the ways that

1297
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:31,520
people are saying, Okay, I'm going to embrace tradition and

1298
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,079
I'm going to reject modernity.

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Speaker 3: Well it's it. I don't know who was some big

1300
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,000
name who started going to church. Maybe was Joe Rogan

1301
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,520
or something, I don't know who. It was, like, somebody

1302
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,319
asked him about why it's going to church and he said,

1303
01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:53,880
it just works. So it's not about the belief structure

1304
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,760
so much. Is that it gives you a script. It's like,

1305
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:03,199
have family, believe in God. You're a sinner, ask for forgiveness,

1306
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,960
take care of your family. Ask for forgiveness, take care

1307
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:13,560
of your family. You, yourself, as an individual, are less than

1308
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,760
what God wants you to be, and you need to

1309
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,720
go through the steps that every human being is called

1310
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:25,000
to go through in order to be purified and resonate.

1311
01:22:25,039 --> 01:22:29,720
Harmoniously with the living spirit of God, which transcends history,

1312
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:36,439
that can root itself in history through the human animal,

1313
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,199
through the family. It solves the question of what a

1314
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:43,359
man is. It solves the question of what a woman is.

1315
01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:47,239
It's really interesting to go to the Orthodox church, you see.

1316
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,000
I mean, there's a Greek one down the street street

1317
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:51,880
I went to a few times, and the women are

1318
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:54,960
very woman lay in a very particular way. I was

1319
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:59,720
like their shape and their dress and their behavior, and

1320
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,760
then see their relationship to their children. And then you

1321
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,000
see them men are shaped in a certain way and

1322
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:08,920
behave in a certain way. They stand in a certain way,

1323
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,680
and everybody's fit together. This little nativity scene like copy

1324
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,199
and pasting, copy and paste it in infinite variation. You're like, oh, okay,

1325
01:23:17,239 --> 01:23:21,159
that makes sense. And then they're all going through this rudimentary,

1326
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:29,399
a redeemed form of ancient Judaic ritual. Right, there's this sacrifice,

1327
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:31,840
but we don't do the sacrifice anymore because it's already made.

1328
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,119
So there we're post we're post temple in a way,

1329
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:38,439
and so we're we're part of it. And that's the

1330
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:46,760
interesting thing about the West and Judaism is Orthodoxy's take

1331
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,000
on Israel. It's take on the things like, no, you

1332
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:55,159
no longer have authority, You're no longer the special one.

1333
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,760
Everybody participates, everybody is at the table now, and here's

1334
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,039
how do it. They have a very interesting take on it.

1335
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:11,079
And the more the more you look into the see

1336
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:16,039
I don't you see things the way that the Catholic

1337
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:20,520
Church has been manipulated by certain ethnic group.

1338
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:25,319
Speaker 1: Vatican re Vatican Vatican two was the two Catholic churches.

1339
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:31,800
The Vatican two was the Catholic churches Nuremberg. They had to,

1340
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:35,079
they had to change. They had to. They could no

1341
01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:41,640
longer have the attitude towards towards the Jewish faith that

1342
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,319
they that they had until this time. They can no longer.

1343
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,479
When in the Latin Mass, when the Gospel is being

1344
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,000
brought from one side to the other, the subdeacon is

1345
01:24:50,039 --> 01:24:53,760
no longer covering his face because the gospel is blind.

1346
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,239
You know, the Jews are blind to the gospel. He's

1347
01:24:56,319 --> 01:25:01,840
acting as a as a representative, acting as a representative

1348
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,399
of the Jews as a whole. Who are you know?

1349
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:10,520
I use this term for for effect, But it's also

1350
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,560
true that they're Antichrist, and you know, That's one of

1351
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,319
the problems is is that in Vatican Two you had

1352
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,439
Nostra Taatee, which basically was, oh, we're not We're no

1353
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,039
longer going to say sure, you're just a different path

1354
01:25:27,239 --> 01:25:31,239
to God. And you know, even Israel Shahak in his

1355
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:34,760
book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, who was an Israeli Jew

1356
01:25:37,319 --> 01:25:39,159
where it is he came out, His family were in

1357
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:41,520
the camps. They moved to Israel. After he lived his

1358
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,479
whole life in Israel. He wrote in his book that

1359
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,359
Judaism ising what you think it is. It's basically a

1360
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:52,520
polytheistic religion. They believe in multiple especially through the Kabbalah,

1361
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,279
and many of the rabbis believe in multiple gods. And

1362
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,840
the there's a there's almost like a sex a sex

1363
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:05,479
kind of sex religion among Yeah, sex magic happening there

1364
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,680
amongst female and male gods. And yeah, that's well. I

1365
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,640
mean the Catholic Church basically through Vatican Two being infiltrated

1366
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:21,600
by certain groups. One group in particular, had to you know,

1367
01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:27,479
well they were convinced to drop this story. Now. You know,

1368
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,000
when I go to the Catholic Church, I never hear

1369
01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:33,800
pray for Israel. I never hear anything like that in

1370
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,119
the churches that I go to, but I'm sure there

1371
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:40,880
are some around, but yeah, there's I think it's one

1372
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,760
of those things where a lot of people think that

1373
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,079
when the Catholic Church does something and when the Pope

1374
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:48,520
says something, every Catholic falls into line. And usually when

1375
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,880
the Pope says something, every Catholic goes, yeah, I don't care. Yeah,

1376
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,439
unless you're speaking ex cathedra and he's saying, you know,

1377
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,760
this is what the new doctrine is going to be.

1378
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:01,039
Most Catholics are just like, yeah, oh, you're talking about

1379
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:05,079
taking in refugees, because we don't care about that. We

1380
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:09,960
don't care what you say. Yeah. Why So I was like, why,

1381
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:15,760
let's see. Baptized as a baby, grew up in Catholic Church,

1382
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,640
was an altar boy, went to graduated Catholic school, went

1383
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,199
to a Jesuit school, actually fell away after high school.

1384
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:27,920
Typical typical story of an inner city Catholic, especially post

1385
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,479
Vatican two. Went to started going to a Baptist church,

1386
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,600
then a Presbyterian church, and then a Presbyterian seminary. But

1387
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,399
I felt the calling back to the Catholic Church when

1388
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,560
I moved here, and I found out that in the

1389
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,880
middle of Alabama, where there are nothing but Baptist churches,

1390
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,640
there's a Catholic church. And when I walked into it,

1391
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,000
I just felt I knew I was home. I think

1392
01:27:54,039 --> 01:27:58,399
that I think that Christianity and faith also has something

1393
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,399
to do with ethnicity. And my half of my family

1394
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,079
is Spanish and half of my family is Polish, and

1395
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:08,960
they are you know, Polish, Hungarian, Slovakian, They're both sides

1396
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:14,000
are Catholic. And I feel more comfortable in a Catholic Mass,

1397
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:17,399
with the order, even with the with a with a

1398
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,840
new Mass, which is you know, I'd rather I rather

1399
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,600
like the when we when I when we were in

1400
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,359
uh when we were in Portland, I was able to

1401
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:30,119
go to a lotin mass up there that was that

1402
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,000
was really nice. I like the order of it. And

1403
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:34,800
you know, a lot of times when I go to

1404
01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:37,520
and my wife is a Protestant, and when I go

1405
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,520
to the Protestant church, I feel like there's a certain

1406
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,640
level of chaos happening in that. You know, there's I

1407
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,359
like the order of it, and that's just the way, you know,

1408
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,760
it's just who I am. It's just something that's in me.

1409
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,920
So yeah, I think that that's what it is. And

1410
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,079
you know, people people can fight and be like, well,

1411
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:02,479
if you're Catholic, you believe this and that's not what

1412
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,039
the Bible says and saw the Scriptura and saw the

1413
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:08,960
fide and everything like that, and I'm just like, okay, yeah,

1414
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,920
how about it? You do you? Oh? Well that means

1415
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,000
I can't trust you. Okay, have about it?

1416
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 3: You do you?

1417
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1418
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: I think there's some things that there there are we're

1419
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:29,680
suffering under something that is like this imminent threat. And

1420
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,079
if you're not willing to put aside like a five

1421
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,640
hundred year old thing, you know, it's like, well, then

1422
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,760
I don't. Then we don't need to get together. I'm

1423
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,640
not I'm not a Democrat. I don't need I know,

1424
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,359
And I'm not one of these people who's like, oh

1425
01:29:44,359 --> 01:29:46,880
I need a million people on my side. No, I

1426
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,239
need like twenty or twenty five good people who I

1427
01:29:50,279 --> 01:29:51,439
can trust. That's about it.

1428
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: Trump is.

1429
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Has some how tied together those factions on the right.

1430
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:06,800
Nick Land explained it as a trichotomy. There might be more,

1431
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,479
might be less. It was one of my better interviews

1432
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,720
in the entire seven years I've been doing this, specifically

1433
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,720
about the right wing and try to figure out what

1434
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,640
is going on on the right. I was drawn to

1435
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:23,840
the right because they were they were doing something other

1436
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,800
than being anti woke. There were being something other, you know.

1437
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,279
I spoke with James is a paragon for good or ill,

1438
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:32,920
and I love the guy personally. We just have a

1439
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:38,039
tremendous beef onlines going on for a while now. But

1440
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:41,760
he wrote a book with Helen pluck Rose, as you know,

1441
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:46,039
upstanding classical liberals. It's called Cynical Theories, and they go

1442
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:49,119
through and they break down the whole postmodern critical theory,

1443
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,560
grievance studies stuff, and then you get to the end

1444
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,319
they're like, well, what else is there? And it was

1445
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:01,000
like reading a pamphlet from nineteen ninety Democrat convention. It's

1446
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:05,760
like civic nationalism. Maybe we need some civic religion in

1447
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,479
there somewhere, but not too thick, not too thick of identity,

1448
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,199
because that they we can't touch identity, we can't be tribal,

1449
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,640
but we have to come together, you know. And I'm like, well,

1450
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:18,800
what else is there?

1451
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:19,199
Speaker 2: Like?

1452
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,239
Speaker 3: So you go and you read other critics of progressivism,

1453
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,960
and Jarvin led me to Burnham, and Burnham has those

1454
01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:33,199
that Machiavellian's book is absolutely essential reading to understand not

1455
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:36,920
the not Well, there's the not left and then there's

1456
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:41,279
the not liberals, and the liberal mind has a hard

1457
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:44,720
time understanding the not liberals. You know, Machiavelli is just

1458
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,680
a bad word of them, and he's the it's probably stupid,

1459
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,239
but I think he's basically the Darwin. You know, like

1460
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:55,880
fundamentalist Christians can't comprehend Darwin. They're going to fight against evolution,

1461
01:31:56,039 --> 01:31:58,760
and you know, then they're up Ship's creek when they

1462
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,119
do that. And then classical liberals they're going to try

1463
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:04,560
to fight against Machiavelli, fight against Schmidt. But they just

1464
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,680
don't understand themselves. It's not prescriptive, it's just this is

1465
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:16,279
how the game works. And and and so Trump comes

1466
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:21,079
in and he articulates this vision in a heroic manner.

1467
01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:25,000
He becomes the embodiment of the spirit of America and

1468
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:30,479
he's set against these huge systems. He smashes through the media,

1469
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:33,960
and he gets his first term, and then they destroy

1470
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:38,000
him with COVID, with the lockdowns and with Biden. Somehow

1471
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:42,760
they just totally destroy and the riots. Michelle Obama egging

1472
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,000
on those riots is so disgusting. The Democrats would stop

1473
01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:48,560
at nothing, They would destroy the country to save it

1474
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:54,119
from Trump. And they they had the they had the imagination.

1475
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,880
But he broke through that again. He almost gets shot.

1476
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,760
He breaks through it. He's he has that one me

1477
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:02,359
like I am the chosen one.

1478
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1479
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 3: It's like even he kind of knows it, but he

1480
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,840
treats it lightly. He's got the mandate of Heaven and

1481
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,119
he kind of understands it, but he kind of just

1482
01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:14,720
lets it rest lightly on him, and he ties together

1483
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,680
the whole thing. And what happened when he was about

1484
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,239
to win this all happened about a year ago, the

1485
01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:26,880
Darryl Cooper thing and then the astroturfing of this woke

1486
01:33:27,039 --> 01:33:31,640
right term. So woke was no longer our enemy. Now

1487
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,319
let's fight against ourselves. Let's fight for the scraps. Let's

1488
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:39,079
not build anything. The classical liberals are like, we can't decon.

1489
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:41,640
We have to go back to this World War two narrative.

1490
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:45,119
It doesn't work anymore. This rules based order putin is

1491
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:49,840
just like, no, that's not how real history works. Real

1492
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,159
history works by certain calculated political moves. And some people

1493
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,720
will call themselves classical liberals, but they only do that

1494
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,359
in retrospect. They do it because they want and then

1495
01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:03,600
they justify power afterwards, or they clean up power afterwards.

1496
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,359
Speaker 2: So the.

1497
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Transitioning from anti woke to post woke, and I don't

1498
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:16,119
know what's going to happen. Progressivism is or the left

1499
01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:20,960
is changing its tactic, it's changing its form, it's decreasing

1500
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,560
the amount of wokeness in it. It kind of understands

1501
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,600
that the tides are turning on a cultural war level.

1502
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:34,359
So the real work it kind of shows itself, and

1503
01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:37,439
that the reaction to Fuentes, how Tucker is able to

1504
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:44,840
incite these purity spirals on the right and to show

1505
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,119
who is trying to grasp after power but don't isn't

1506
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:52,960
worthy of power. So what's going to happen after Trump's

1507
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:56,600
big ten approach happens. I think the left is just

1508
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,560
going to take it back over because the left has

1509
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:05,000
introp on its side and this weird organizational prowess, this

1510
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:08,520
procedural prowess on its side. So we have a limited

1511
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:13,119
time while the tide is down to kind of look across.

1512
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:16,720
It's like like an estuary. When the tide goes out,

1513
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,560
there's all these different critters from all these different regions

1514
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,199
have the ability to kind of intermingle, and then then

1515
01:35:22,279 --> 01:35:24,079
the tide's going to go back, and so we have

1516
01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:28,399
a very limited time to make connections and to figure

1517
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:34,199
out how to create life rafts and different to kind

1518
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:39,239
of understand our ecosystem a little bit before it comes

1519
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:42,399
back and technology goes forward and all these different things.

1520
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 2: So I'm just I.

1521
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,039
Speaker 3: Guess my work now is just trying to listen to

1522
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,520
the spirit of the age or the spirit coming through

1523
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,560
the age for what's the interesting conversation. And you can

1524
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:59,479
kind of see what anti wokeness was an interesting conversation.

1525
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:05,279
Libs of TikTok Era SJW TikTok compilations, Now that was interesting,

1526
01:36:05,279 --> 01:36:07,479
but it's not really interesting anymore. I think even the

1527
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:11,760
Left is kind of done with their mutants in a way,

1528
01:36:13,079 --> 01:36:19,840
so kind of I'm grasping for different tools and whatever

1529
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:26,439
you said Thomas says about living historically, I guess I

1530
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,079
guess that's kind of what I'm trying to understand and

1531
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,880
connect with, and that requires me to have a different

1532
01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:41,359
understanding of time and end of history than I have had.

1533
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,439
I guess that's where I'm kind of like stretching or reaching,

1534
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:46,760
grasping toward.

1535
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: I assume you think that if, like in twenty twenty eight,

1536
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,439
if the Left gets back into power, that's going to

1537
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:01,560
be you know, Biden targeted right wingers, his cabinet, mostly

1538
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:09,199
his his attorney general, well his attorney general who there

1539
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:14,159
seems to be ethnic grievances going on there. But you

1540
01:37:14,199 --> 01:37:17,640
know what Daryl Cooper said recently when we had him

1541
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,960
on a side podcast called The Inquisition, was that, you know,

1542
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:25,920
whatever you think about JD Events, you want JD Events

1543
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,119
to get elected in twenty twenty eight because it gives

1544
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:32,159
you at least another four to eight years to build

1545
01:37:32,199 --> 01:37:34,800
what you want to build. To build, you know, if

1546
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,920
you want to build, you know, something outside the system

1547
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,560
that will operate as the system. And I think going forward,

1548
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,159
what we're looking at is we're looking at breaking down

1549
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:55,079
into tribes. I just had my state tribes, local areas, states,

1550
01:37:55,319 --> 01:37:59,520
city states, possibly and the ad Mike Maxwell on and

1551
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,159
he's the uh, the founder of Imperium Press, and he

1552
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:05,000
just put out a book called The Tribal Future of

1553
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,439
the West, and he makes the argument that everything's breaking

1554
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,720
down into tribes now and people are going to start

1555
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,439
especially right wingers, are going to start finding their tribes

1556
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:16,720
and they're going to you know, look at areas, you know,

1557
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,319
I mean, look how many people are moving to Idaho

1558
01:38:20,359 --> 01:38:24,000
that that are adjacent to us and and to other

1559
01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:31,279
areas like that. And while people are doing that, while

1560
01:38:31,279 --> 01:38:35,520
people are saying strength in numbers, you know, we all

1561
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,640
we don't all have to live in the same in

1562
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,000
the same building like the Branch Davidians, you know, but

1563
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,880
we can all live in the same area. Harder to

1564
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,159
take us out by a drone strike that you know

1565
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:49,680
that eight years And like I said, no matter what

1566
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,119
you know, you say JD events and people are like, well,

1567
01:38:53,159 --> 01:38:55,560
you know he's in with Peter TiAl and it's palents

1568
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,199
here and he really isn't our friend. Then he'll want

1569
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:01,199
to kill us and everything. So Peter Tiel is like

1570
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:05,039
this mastermind who is going to you know, well, I

1571
01:39:05,039 --> 01:39:09,199
mean then just I mean literally, just give up, Please

1572
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:13,039
give up, and just stop talking. If you really feel

1573
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:17,640
that way, you you've given up, And why are you online?

1574
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,159
Why are you talking about this stuff. You should be

1575
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:22,399
building your cabin in the woods and you should be

1576
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,920
looking to hold out for you know, hold out for however,

1577
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,439
long you want to or just end it right now.

1578
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,039
I mean, what is the point. I mean, you're you're

1579
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:33,119
not going to be happy, You're going to be miserable,

1580
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,800
and you sound miserable. And most people sound miserable when

1581
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,600
they do this, when they talk like this. But you know,

1582
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:41,600
the way I look at it is, Yeah, I have

1583
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,720
to agree with Darryl. You get you know, jad Vans

1584
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,199
gets selected in two and eight to twenty twenty eight,

1585
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:51,399
and I think that that is something that even right wingers,

1586
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,920
a lot of people quote unquote on the right, but

1587
01:39:54,039 --> 01:39:57,720
at least in conservative ink and a Republican party don't

1588
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:01,159
want because they see him is not being you know,

1589
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,520
a friend of a friend of Israel, whether he is

1590
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,520
or not, whether he's a secret super double agent whatever

1591
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:14,079
you people, people, I'm the serious right think quote unquote then,

1592
01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:16,640
but I think that it you know, it's really just

1593
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:23,239
the future is not this government, especially in its form,

1594
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,359
So you want it to die. You want to disconnect

1595
01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:30,920
from it, and you want to literally the only reason

1596
01:40:31,239 --> 01:40:34,159
to even care about who gets elected is is whether

1597
01:40:34,199 --> 01:40:37,279
that person wants you dead or not. The only reason

1598
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,920
your friends would get elected into the government is so

1599
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,159
that they can make some money, they can build some wealth,

1600
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:45,960
and they could run interference for you have possible if

1601
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,840
a regime gets in there, that's that's that's hostile to you.

1602
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,560
So you know, the way I look at it is,

1603
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,880
you know, you know, three years from now, I'm hoping

1604
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,399
that I just want people to get elected who don't

1605
01:40:59,399 --> 01:41:03,640
want me dead. Yeah, and that's that's about it, you know.

1606
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,199
And I'm not saying that I'm going to be their

1607
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:08,600
greatest cheerleader. I'm going to do like I do now.

1608
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,039
If Trump does something good, I'll say he did something good.

1609
01:41:11,279 --> 01:41:13,159
If Trump does something bad, I'm going to say he

1610
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:15,800
did something bad. That's what I've been doing all along.

1611
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:22,199
But yeah, I mean, I just see the future as

1612
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:28,640
people coming together under the banner of American you know,

1613
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:34,600
American heritage or whatever. I'm I'm up for people doing

1614
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:38,640
whatever they want to start breaking up into groups because

1615
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:45,039
you know, trying to The way I look at the

1616
01:41:45,159 --> 01:41:48,079
United States government is and the form of government we

1617
01:41:48,119 --> 01:41:50,920
have right now is like a car. Okay, you have

1618
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,079
a car. I have an old car. I have a

1619
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:56,720
car that's over thirty years old now, and it's truck.

1620
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,000
I have a truck that's over thirty years old, and

1621
01:42:00,399 --> 01:42:02,960
I want it to stay on the road, but there

1622
01:42:03,039 --> 01:42:05,399
will get to be you know, And so if it

1623
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,079
breaks down, I have a choice. If it's not working anymore,

1624
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:11,359
I have a choice. Do I fix it, try to

1625
01:42:11,359 --> 01:42:13,239
fix it, or do I look at it and I go,

1626
01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:16,920
it's beyond fixing. It's time to scrap it. This thing

1627
01:42:17,039 --> 01:42:20,119
was beyond fixing a long time ago. And you know,

1628
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:22,119
the great thing about hindsight is you can look and

1629
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,720
you can go. This thing was beyond fixing thirty years ago.

1630
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,640
This thing was beyond fixing fifty years ago. It's been

1631
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:34,039
operating in one way my whole life, and that way

1632
01:42:34,399 --> 01:42:41,800
is oligarchy and to as an enemy to people who

1633
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:45,920
you know, seek to live a more traditional life. Well,

1634
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:51,279
however one wishes to define that. So yeah, I mean,

1635
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:54,319
I'm just I'm just looking for the future as far

1636
01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:59,039
as who's on my side, Who do I have a

1637
01:42:59,039 --> 01:43:03,000
lot in common with? What can we build and can

1638
01:43:03,039 --> 01:43:06,000
we just get to the point where there's somebody, you know,

1639
01:43:06,039 --> 01:43:08,479
there's going to be somebody who's going to come into power,

1640
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,039
who is going to want to harm us. The further

1641
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:12,960
we can kick that can down the road, the better.

1642
01:43:13,279 --> 01:43:15,880
But in the meantime, we don't try to prop up

1643
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:20,680
and keep the system going. I'm all you're doing is

1644
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,680
prolonging your demise. You're just making it worse. You're just

1645
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:29,960
you're strengthening a system. You're strengthening an organ that at

1646
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,880
some point somebody is going to get in charge of

1647
01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:36,239
and use to try and hurt you. So why are

1648
01:43:36,279 --> 01:43:40,239
you trying to prop it up? Unless you're going Unless

1649
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,239
Trump is going to defeat all his enemies in the

1650
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,119
next three years and we won't have to worry about that,

1651
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,319
and then we can just sing Kumbai Yah. But that's

1652
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:49,079
not going to happen. I think we've seen that.

1653
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:50,079
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we live in this blessed land and time and history.

1655
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:03,279
The since World War Two, like, we've just been living

1656
01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:10,119
life on easy mode in so many different ways. And

1657
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:18,199
I try to hear the classical liberals anxiety about anti

1658
01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:22,239
semitism and about questioning World War Two and questioning the

1659
01:44:22,399 --> 01:44:25,720
rules based order. I try to try to understand why

1660
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:30,960
they're so anxious. And I just don't see fascism rising

1661
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:34,960
in America. It's just it's not in the nature of

1662
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:43,239
the land and any sort of real politic, like real

1663
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:47,960
political energy is going to come from the people, and

1664
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,840
it's going to come from the land. The urban nites

1665
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:55,279
have their own system outside of those urban centers. I mean,

1666
01:44:55,319 --> 01:45:00,760
classical liberalism works in a mostly white lie eat class

1667
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,720
taking care of a multicultural society, and it can kind

1668
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,239
of get away from that, and it can let so

1669
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:11,760
many rapes and murders happen, and it's a little defunct utopia.

1670
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,800
And and the people who want to manage the decline

1671
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:20,279
of America and return to a constitutional conservatism that you know,

1672
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:22,560
when when when they get mad at people saying, well

1673
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:28,079
that that the people that the Constitution was written for

1674
01:45:28,279 --> 01:45:31,079
and by no longer exists. I think those people still exist,

1675
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,680
but there's other people too, and and like like like

1676
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:42,079
a real like fascist takeover of America. It's it's not

1677
01:45:42,119 --> 01:45:48,079
gonna scale, you know, like whenever whenever really fundamentalist strains

1678
01:45:48,359 --> 01:45:51,720
scales up. It it's kind of cheesy in America. Like

1679
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,279
I'm thinking of the nineties Christianity, you know, like how

1680
01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:55,279
can kind of scales up?

1681
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Forgive me for interesting, but how do you have fascism

1682
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,479
with three hundred and fifty million or four hundred million people?

1683
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,359
I mean you have you have mayors now who are like, yeah, Ice,

1684
01:46:09,039 --> 01:46:11,680
we're gonna fight Ice all the way. You have judges

1685
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,880
all I mean, are you arresting every single one? They're

1686
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,119
just going to pop up. Another one's going to pop up.

1687
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:27,000
This this vast continent wide government system of governance is dead.

1688
01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:31,159
You can't fix it. It is going to have to

1689
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:34,439
get smaller, whether that be returning to the tenth more

1690
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:37,960
tenth Amendment kind of state states taking over. And you know,

1691
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:40,680
but I don't even think that's going to happen. I

1692
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,680
think it's going to be de fact though. It's just

1693
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,039
going to It's not going to be planned. It's just

1694
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:50,399
going to happen like so many you know, like in

1695
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:54,039
twenty ten, Obama wanted to pass like this huge gun law,

1696
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,560
and there were there were sheriffs in California who said,

1697
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,560
we're just not going to enforce it. There was a

1698
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:05,000
sheriff in Virginia who said, I will deputize the whole

1699
01:47:05,079 --> 01:47:08,600
town so that it's legal for them to own firearms.

1700
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:11,960
And I mean, well, how do you how does the

1701
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:14,439
how does the left fight with that, or how does

1702
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,399
the right fight with you know, you have one hundred men,

1703
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,600
you have one hundred mayors who are like, no one

1704
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,640
has the budget for that. I don't care how many

1705
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:25,039
people ICE is hiring. They're not going to do. They're

1706
01:47:25,079 --> 01:47:27,920
not going to be able to fix this. And anyone

1707
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,000
who thinks it, anyone who thinks this this is going

1708
01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:35,680
to be fixed, is delusional. And anyone who is like

1709
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:40,960
willing to fight for it starts to border on like enemy.

1710
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,279
You have to look at them in the friend enemy distinction.

1711
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 3: Really, because they're going to harm your way of life.

1712
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,079
Speaker 1: Some Yeah, you're going to harm every You're going to

1713
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:55,239
harm everyone's way of life. There's just no way that

1714
01:47:55,319 --> 01:47:58,239
this can survive. Sam Francis talk about this the revolution

1715
01:47:58,359 --> 01:48:03,439
of massive scale too much. This can't scale. One person

1716
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:08,159
can't make this scale. It's just not and there's no cohesiveness.

1717
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:11,199
It's not like Franco and Spain. It's not like where

1718
01:48:11,239 --> 01:48:13,199
you have you know, most of the country is Catholic

1719
01:48:13,279 --> 01:48:16,359
and you can bring them in under that banner. You know,

1720
01:48:16,399 --> 01:48:20,640
You're you're looking at a country where it's like Protestants

1721
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,520
go on on Twitter to you know, say Catholics aren't

1722
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,680
real Christians and that they have a you know, oh

1723
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:32,399
they have they have a sworn an oath to another country,

1724
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:35,800
the Vatican, and then you'll have some Catholics that'll go

1725
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,079
on Twitter and it'll be like Protestants aren't saved because

1726
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,640
they don't believe in transubstantiation and they're not to I mean,

1727
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:46,319
it's like, I mean, what what you think? You think?

1728
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:52,760
Like you think Caleb in Salt Lake City and Joel

1729
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,880
who lives on the Lower East Side of Manhattan have

1730
01:48:56,039 --> 01:49:00,800
something in common? What are you what like? What what

1731
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,760
what banner are you bringing them in? Under nine eleven

1732
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:09,319
is over another? Nine to eleven will not bring everybody together?

1733
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,159
So where where is this coming from? What are you

1734
01:49:12,279 --> 01:49:14,760
going to rally people under.

1735
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 3: The Uh? I get Yeah, you said the individual and

1736
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:30,600
the collective and that that uh, that dichotomy or that

1737
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:35,319
that dialectic is uh. I think that's what separates the

1738
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:39,399
the true right from the would be right and uh

1739
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,880
the you know, the the some people get an eth

1740
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,159
note identity and some people don't. And if you're if

1741
01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:48,279
you're in this eth note identity, you need to not

1742
01:49:48,399 --> 01:49:51,520
have that, But don't tell me what to do. The

1743
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:57,000
problems with authority, the the just the need to argue

1744
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:02,479
and and split hair is like you're talking about And

1745
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:07,680
then you have people like Flint's touching a nerve, starting something,

1746
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,479
But you're like, well, what is flinte is gonna be

1747
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,520
in charge of? Why? Why would I be scared of him?

1748
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,520
He's talking bad about some people I don't care, Like,

1749
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,119
who's he Who's gonna what are they gonna do? March

1750
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:19,880
around like that guy is brilliant for what he is,

1751
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,439
but he's not a military kind of guy. He's not

1752
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,880
gonna he's not a great tactician. Maybe he can figure

1753
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,399
out the rhetorical strategies to get somebody that he wants

1754
01:50:29,399 --> 01:50:32,359
into government, but he's still operating within that system. So

1755
01:50:32,399 --> 01:50:34,079
I don't I don't know what there is to be

1756
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,960
afraid of other than the common enemy, and fear is

1757
01:50:39,159 --> 01:50:43,760
its tool. So that's what I really enjoyed about the UH,

1758
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,479
the event that we were on and and meeting these

1759
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:51,600
young men. And when I got back from the event,

1760
01:50:52,279 --> 01:50:57,319
my wife who's getting just she's she's receiving tons and

1761
01:50:57,359 --> 01:51:01,520
tons of hate on her YouTube. Channe she hit a

1762
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,399
nerve for some reason with the UH, the Red Pill

1763
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:08,439
Men group, the UH, the MiG Towel set, and they're

1764
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,239
just just trying to tear her down over and over

1765
01:51:11,279 --> 01:51:13,279
and over again. So when I got back, she's like, well,

1766
01:51:13,319 --> 01:51:16,159
how much do they hate women? I'm like, they don't

1767
01:51:16,359 --> 01:51:18,640
like these these young men, this this group, they're actually

1768
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:22,239
like asking for dating advice. They actually they want women.

1769
01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:24,680
They want to be in the right relationship with the women.

1770
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,159
They they have a they have the correct amount of misogyny,

1771
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:31,880
which is that that necessary misogyny to let women be

1772
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,760
different than me and kind of give them their domain

1773
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:37,279
and I have my domain, and then figure out how

1774
01:51:37,279 --> 01:51:40,760
to harmonize harmonize those domains. But just that little bit

1775
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,000
of teasing right to kind of like, you know, the

1776
01:51:44,039 --> 01:51:46,079
woman brain, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna behave that

1777
01:51:46,119 --> 01:51:49,039
way or like that, drawing that distinction, but also honoring

1778
01:51:49,079 --> 01:51:53,800
those distinctions, honoring those the nature Skilo said, women are

1779
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,560
women are incredibly more base than men because they're just

1780
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,800
tied by nature to reality in a way that men

1781
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,159
will never be able to be tied to. Now that

1782
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,119
doesn't mean that they can't go off the track as

1783
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:08,920
we see in our modern day cat Catwine mom kind

1784
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:09,760
of era.

1785
01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:11,079
Speaker 2: But the.

1786
01:52:14,399 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 3: I'm really concerned with the uh, with not honestly seeing

1787
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,079
what's happening on the serious right. And that's kind of

1788
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:25,960
my role in my job right now is to is

1789
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,399
to understand them and to give them a place where

1790
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,960
they can be normified, or where normies can interact with

1791
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:39,640
them in a kind of a gentler environment than they're schizoid, racist, sexist, crazy,

1792
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:43,560
crazy lands. So that's kind of what I'm doing now.

1793
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,199
I have to I have to bounce though, I have

1794
01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:46,920
I have a shift that I have to get to.

1795
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, I'll just leave you with one thing that

1796
01:52:50,039 --> 01:52:52,960
my my buddy Charles Badiel said, and it's probably the

1797
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:55,399
one of the most true things you'll ever hear. Women

1798
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:58,880
are pragmatists pretending to be romantics, and men are romantics

1799
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:02,880
pretending to be pragmants. And we need to reverse that back.

1800
01:53:03,039 --> 01:53:06,760
So tell everybody where they can find your work, and

1801
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:07,760
I'll get you out of here.

1802
01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:12,119
Speaker 3: I'm Benjamin A. Boyce on Twitter and YouTube. My podcast

1803
01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:16,239
is Conversations on YouTube. I'm like twenty five subs away

1804
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:18,840
from one hundred thousand. So if anybody here's this one

1805
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,800
to give me a sub, you don't have to hit

1806
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,000
that little bell thing, but I just want that number

1807
01:53:23,039 --> 01:53:24,840
so I can get that stupid little plaque and then

1808
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,199
I can relax on my rest of my conversant laurels

1809
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:31,399
for a while. But that's my only slug.

1810
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Benjamin. I appreciate it. Let's talk again soon.

1811
01:53:34,680 --> 01:54:00,560
Speaker 3: Thank you absolutely, Peter, always a pleasures