1
00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,000
Speaker 1: What is up, fellas that goes, I am dan fa

2
00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,640
Valley coming at you with the final twenty twenty four

3
00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:25,039
twenty five NBA season look Ahead. We did it. We're

4
00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,039
on to the Utah Jazz, which means I get to

5
00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:30,559
talk to the homie, Tony Jones from the Athletic. He

6
00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,799
covers the Jazz, the Nuggets and the Sixers. We get

7
00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:35,479
into all things jazz. Follow him on the Twitter machine

8
00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,960
at t Jones on the NBA spelled exactly as it sounds.

9
00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,159
You can find a link to his Twitter handle as

10
00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,320
well as where you can support his work on the Athletic.

11
00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,079
In the podcast YouTube description, well, you should also do

12
00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,560
bounce around. Check out all the content we put out

13
00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,320
in prep of this season. We have over under pods.

14
00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:53,640
We predicted wins for every single team that was the

15
00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,240
over Under pod. We did our Awards pod went live,

16
00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,759
and we have all thirty look Aheads live. We did

17
00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:00,880
it thirty teams, thirty teams. Shout out to Grant and

18
00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,159
I for getting these episodes up. We hope you enjoyed

19
00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:07,239
them and if you've not subscribed already, freaking change that already.

20
00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:10,359
Please Apple Spotify ratings and reviews on Apple do a

21
00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,159
ton for us, So go over there and do that.

22
00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:14,480
We love seeing when you write reviews as well, so

23
00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,840
please help us there. Subscribe on YouTube, turn on post notifications,

24
00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,959
comment on our videos, like our video, share our videos

25
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,640
our shorts, comment like the whole nine, help the outgo,

26
00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:26,439
love us back. We appreciate all your support as always.

27
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,959
And finally, it's crunch time because this is releasing on

28
00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,920
a Monday, we will be closing it Tuesday before opening.

29
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,200
Tip come join the discord. Join our over under competition

30
00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:37,640
that's in there. If you win, you get a merch

31
00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,439
it them of your choice. Look this merches fire. You

32
00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,040
can't see the back right now, but you can see

33
00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,319
the logo proud sid host right there. But also you

34
00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,879
get a chance to guest host a podcast with Grant

35
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,840
and I'll do a mail bag and you will kind

36
00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:50,959
of moderate that. That should be a lot of fun.

37
00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,680
Who doesn't want? I mean, like I said, life changing stuff.

38
00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,760
So discord link is in the podcast and YouTube description.

39
00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,200
Go join. Fill out the over under form. You'll be

40
00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,280
using the same over unders is Grant and I did.

41
00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,239
Can you beat us even that? I mean I was

42
00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,000
bottom five last year? I think I was bottom three

43
00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:07,560
or two, so you could probably beat me. Can you

44
00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,360
beat Grant though? That's the real question. That's about it

45
00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,560
for me. So let's get to talking a bunch of

46
00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,879
Utah jazz stuff with the One, the Only, mister Tony Jones. Tony,

47
00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,360
welcome back. Thank you so much for coming back year four,

48
00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,120
for you doing the Utah Jazz look ahead with me.

49
00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,080
It's e've been back quite a bit. How are you doing.

50
00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:28,439
Speaker 2: I don't even feel like it is year four. I

51
00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:31,840
feel like we're in like year ten because our chemistry

52
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,159
is just like I know exactly where you like the

53
00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:37,639
ball in your shooting in your shooting pocket.

54
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh, that's your first mistake is thinking that I could shoot.

55
00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,280
So I won't be catching anything in a shooting pocket.

56
00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:47,479
I'll be I'll be deferring right back to somebody else.

57
00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:49,439
I thought you might say it feels like ten years

58
00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:52,680
because you're always in my mention starting shit just randomly.

59
00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you gotta do that, man. You know,

60
00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:01,080
Twitter gotta be fun, even though it's like decidedly made

61
00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,039
not fun anymore.

62
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I would concurse. I'm going to continue to ask

63
00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,199
you about random trade rumors that don't exist when you're

64
00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:10,479
tweeting about nothing related to them.

65
00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

66
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,319
Speaker 1: The Jazz though, fascinating team. And this is the second

67
00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,639
year in a row. Because I look back at the

68
00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,479
outline I put together for you last year, where I said,

69
00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,479
what can we take away from the previous year given

70
00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280
what happened and how much turnover there was? And so

71
00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,240
my question to you to kind of open things up

72
00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:31,479
is just seeing the past two years, what if is

73
00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:35,400
there like any overarching takeaways that you can still apply

74
00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,599
to like what you're expecting from this team, whether how

75
00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:41,120
it's run or the principles that are happening on the court.

76
00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:43,840
Has there been so much change that you can only

77
00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,639
apply very little from each season. I just find that

78
00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,560
very fascinating because of how different this team has looked

79
00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:51,000
on an annual basis so far.

80
00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think the I think the overarching thing is

81
00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,080
that you know, they're still really early in the rebuilt,

82
00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:04,280
and I think if you, if you gave truth serum

83
00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,560
the Danny Ainge in the front office, they probably like

84
00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:09,039
to be a little bit further in the rebuilt right now.

85
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,719
I think that they thought that they could do it

86
00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:19,120
a little bit on the fly, and they realized probably

87
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,279
somewhere around a year ago that they probably weren't going

88
00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:23,800
to be able to do that. So, you know, I

89
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,199
think their focus has shifted to the building through the draft. Now.

90
00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,839
The good news is, I think they've drafted really well. Like,

91
00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:36,879
you know, they got Kyante George and Taylor Hendrix out

92
00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:40,439
of last year's draft. They obviously traded for Walker Kessler.

93
00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:45,480
I mean, these are all legit NBA players, you know.

94
00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,399
I think that Cody Williams is you know, might be

95
00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:53,079
one of the best players in this draft class. You know.

96
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,560
So I think that they drafted really well. But you know,

97
00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,120
the obvious elephant in the room right now is that

98
00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,079
they haven't gotten the star and they haven't gotten you know,

99
00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,800
the guy that you know that's pretty obviously the one,

100
00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,639
And you know, I think maybe Cody Williams develops into that.

101
00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh I love I love hearing that.

102
00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,680
Speaker 2: I think may listen. I'm I'm so bullish on him

103
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,000
because I don't think there's anything that he can't do

104
00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,040
on a basketball court. But I worry about him. I

105
00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,959
worry about you know, him mentally, not mentally as in

106
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,199
terms of mentally mentally in terms of I don't know

107
00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,240
that he knows how good he is. And you know,

108
00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:43,319
so I think if I think the Jazz want to

109
00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:47,319
be in the top five of the twenty twenty five

110
00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:51,560
NBA drafts so they can get one of Cooper Flag

111
00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:55,480
or Ace Bailey or Nolan Trei or Dylan Harper or VJ.

112
00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,360
Edgecombe And you know, so to me, that sets up

113
00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,000
a fascinating season because I definitely don't think this roster

114
00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:11,000
is worse five bottom five in the NBA BAT, and

115
00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,639
I think that the Jazz will want to be The

116
00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,360
Jazz front office would love to be bottom five in

117
00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:21,199
the NBA BAT. And I think that that's gonna set

118
00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:28,160
up to me a really fascinating season to see kind of,

119
00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,120
you know, where it goes, what wins out, and you know,

120
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,680
I know that, you know, justin Zannik do you talk

121
00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,079
Jazz general managers has said, listen, this is going to

122
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,279
be a real youth movement this year and the problem is,

123
00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,959
well not the problem, but you know, when I watched

124
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,480
this team in the preseason, you know, the youth on

125
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,240
this team is good. So you know, it will be

126
00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,680
interesting to see exactly, you know, where this season goes.

127
00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,680
But you know, I think that a successful season would

128
00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,000
be if you know, on the night of June whatever,

129
00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:12,480
twenty twenty five, the Jazz are picking want of making

130
00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,439
one of the first five selections in that draft.

131
00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:17,399
Speaker 1: So is there a chance that Will Hardy is on

132
00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,759
the hot seat because he's winning too many games?

133
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:28,120
Speaker 2: No, God, No, he's The Jazz are very happy with him.

134
00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,279
They they they they love the job that he's doing.

135
00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,079
I think he's one of the best young coaches in

136
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,600
the league. I think he's a terrific, terrific young coach.

137
00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:39,680
And he's one of the reasons why, you know, the

138
00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:44,279
Jazz haven't been able to tank so far, because you know,

139
00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:49,240
the coach is too good. So you know, he's he's

140
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,800
somebody that you know, I can see leading the team

141
00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:55,839
to a championship at some point. And you know, they

142
00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,399
just you know, they they just picked up his, uh,

143
00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:02,240
his option for next year, and I expect I expect

144
00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:08,160
extension talks to get started next summer or towards the

145
00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:09,120
end of the next off season.

146
00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:12,639
Speaker 1: Is there anything, my serious question, Is there just anything?

147
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,720
And if you had to single out one, two things

148
00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,480
whatever you want to single out about the job he's

149
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,839
done over these past couple of years that stylistically philosophically

150
00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,839
that he's getting so much out of teams that I mean,

151
00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:27,560
no one had the Jazz being over five hundred past

152
00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,439
the midway point in each of the past two seasons,

153
00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,560
and that's what they did. So there's something that stands

154
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,200
out in particular about the job he has done during

155
00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:34,679
this time.

156
00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:39,080
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's a couple of things, like

157
00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:44,080
his players really love him, and you know, they play hard.

158
00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,759
He gets his teams to play hard, and he gets

159
00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:53,080
you know, the most out of its teams. Now, I

160
00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,320
think there's a question of what happens when he gets

161
00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,000
a roster that's that you know, is expected to win,

162
00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:05,159
and what happens if he gets a roster full of veterans.

163
00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:11,039
But you know, he's he's dealt with the veterans just

164
00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,279
as well as he's dealt with the young guys. Like

165
00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,879
if you ask Jordan Clarkson about Will Hardy, Jordan Clarkson,

166
00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,559
you know, absolutely loves him. Larry Markinen absolutely loves him,

167
00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:25,480
you know, So you know, the veterans relate to Will

168
00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,639
as as much as the young guys do, probably considering

169
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:38,080
they're almost the same age. And you know, he's you know,

170
00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:43,480
he gets you know, the best out of guys. You know,

171
00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,559
like I think, I think Colin Sexton has come so

172
00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:51,639
far under Will Hardy and oh.

173
00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that man belongs on a good team. Colin Sexton

174
00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,720
is It's official. I think he was underrated when he

175
00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:59,279
left Cleveland, but he's like Capslock underrated now, but.

176
00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,600
Speaker 2: He's he's so much of a better player and a

177
00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,440
more in control player now he was when he was

178
00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,519
in Cleveland. And and that's because you know, he's listened

179
00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,600
to Will and and he's allowed to Colin. To Colin's credit,

180
00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,159
he's allowed to coach him, and he's allowed to coach

181
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,879
him hard and you know the two don't always agree,

182
00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,159
but I mean it's been a really really good partnership.

183
00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:34,480
And you know, Will's made some real strides, allowed Colin

184
00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:37,360
to make real strides in his game, and Colin's work

185
00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,200
ethic has really taken over. So you know, I think

186
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600
that if you look at you know, Sexton, and you

187
00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:47,799
look at how how much marketing has progressed under Will,

188
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,559
how much you know, Will's one of the reasons. And

189
00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,960
marketing was like I'm signing on August seventh, so you

190
00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:57,639
cannot trade me this entire season. You know, Will hard

191
00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,440
is one of the reasons why, you know, Marking and

192
00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,399
wanted to stay with the Jazz so badly. So, you know,

193
00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,240
he's done a number of things culture wise, He's done

194
00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,360
a number of things in the locker room, a number

195
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,279
of things you know on the floor, you know X's

196
00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:18,840
and O's wise. That's really you know, kind of made

197
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,720
the Jazz too good.

198
00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,360
Speaker 1: I've been asking everyone this, but from what you kind

199
00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,679
of said at the top, it makes you think that

200
00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,639
the answer could be sort of a default. Is the

201
00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:29,159
biggest storyline you're tracking for this team? Like how does

202
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,840
it get to the bottom five spot that it wants

203
00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:33,399
when you look at the coach that they have and

204
00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:35,799
then even some of just the talent that I would

205
00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:38,840
say is outsized relative to those like having Marketing and

206
00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:42,039
Clarkston and Sexton and even someone like Kessler and potentially

207
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,799
if Taylor Hendrix gets even better from last year, or

208
00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,799
is there something else that's like kind of the biggest

209
00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:48,159
storyline you'll be looking at.

210
00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great question, and I mean the

211
00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,440
obvious answer is yes, right, Like I think that that's fascinating,

212
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,519
you know, because and that's tell you why I watched

213
00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:05,159
the Jazz on Tuesday night against the Sacramento Kings, and

214
00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,159
both of those teams play a regular NBA game. They played,

215
00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,480
you know, their regular rotation all forty eight minutes. Both

216
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,159
of the they both played hard. You know, they weren't.

217
00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,080
It wasn't like Denver last night on Thursday night. I'm

218
00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,720
sure you watched the game, but you know, we love

219
00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:27,720
Nicola Yokis, but he was doing cardio out there. He

220
00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,799
was just on a treadmill out there. And it wasn't that.

221
00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:32,840
Between the Jazz and the Kings on Tuesday, that was

222
00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,480
a real NBA game. And you know that forty eight

223
00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:40,600
minutes that I was watching the Jazz, the only thought

224
00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,240
I had was, oh my god, this team can win

225
00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:48,000
thirty eight games. That was literally the only you know,

226
00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:50,200
I mean, I tweeted it. I'm sure you saw the tweet,

227
00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:53,440
but I like, I tweeted it, and I was just like, Yeah,

228
00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,799
this team can win thirty five to thirty eight games

229
00:12:55,919 --> 00:13:01,679
as is, and you know that's probably twelve to fifteen

230
00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,840
games too many, right, So you know, I think one

231
00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,919
of the things that you know you could count on

232
00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,679
is that this version of the Western Conference that we're

233
00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,559
about to walk into this year is really deep and

234
00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,559
really good. So somebody has to lose games, and you know,

235
00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,000
paper dictates that it's probably the Jazz and the Portland Trailblazers.

236
00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,240
But man, you know, when you have marketing and you

237
00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,759
have Sexton and you have Kiante George, I think Kanty

238
00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,320
George looks a lot better, and you have Taylor Hendrix

239
00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,399
at the four and Walker Kesseler at the five, Like

240
00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:45,279
there's a lot of size and there's a lot of length,

241
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,159
and you know, there's you know, dynamic ball handling in

242
00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,559
in Colin Sexton and there's just there's just a lot

243
00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,200
to work with there. And the Jahs are gonna lose games,

244
00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,240
you know, because they're not on paper as good on paper,

245
00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,720
it's about probably around at least ten to eleven other

246
00:14:08,759 --> 00:14:12,440
teams in the Western Conference. But you know the fact

247
00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,200
that they play hard from that to night, the fact

248
00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,679
that they're not going to be a pushover, it leads

249
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,679
me to believe, you know, how does this team get

250
00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:25,080
to twenty five wins? You know, it's like, so, you know,

251
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:31,000
if I'm dubbing the Utah Jazz this season, how do

252
00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,000
you hustle in reverse? Right? Like? How do you how

253
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,879
do you take a team that's probably too talented for

254
00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:40,000
twenty five wins and get it to twenty five wins,

255
00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,039
and I think that that's probably a fascinating thing to watch.

256
00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,399
Speaker 1: It seems like if they end up being i'm not

257
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,679
even better than expected, but on pace for too many

258
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,960
wins or like I think the biggest mistake some teams make,

259
00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,279
or maybe it's not a mistake, but they're they're hesitant

260
00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,200
to do something substantial earlier in the season, whether it's

261
00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:02,639
beginning kind of the minutes, management for veterans or making trades.

262
00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:06,080
Does this do you think this front office is committed

263
00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,840
to the point that, Okay, I like the Jazz come

264
00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,200
out like absolutely on fire again or something that they'll

265
00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,759
start making some decisions we would normally see in December, January,

266
00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:16,039
February before then.

267
00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be interesting to see because you know, this

268
00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,919
front office typically doesn't make decisions, drastic roster decisions until February.

269
00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:32,200
You know, there are some exceptions. In twenty nineteen, there

270
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,879
was the Jordan Clarkson trade for Dante Exam and that

271
00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:38,399
changed the Jazz quite a bit. Also in twenty nineteen,

272
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,320
they cut Jeff Green pretty much in the middle of

273
00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,320
a road trip, so you know that was that was

274
00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,480
an exception. But you know, on a norm, mostly on

275
00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:54,840
the norm, you know, they take the first few months

276
00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:57,320
and then they assess and then they kind of go

277
00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:03,039
from there. You know, in you know, the last two

278
00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,000
the last two seasons, you know, they kind of pulled

279
00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:10,080
the plug around the All Star break and you know

280
00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:13,960
that was it. March was you know, just kind of, hey,

281
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,279
we're just going to lose as much as possible, and

282
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,320
you know so, But I mean the thing that stands

283
00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,480
out to me is that, you know, even deep into

284
00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:27,240
their roster, I mean, there are a lot of guys

285
00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,279
that this team wants to develop, and I think that

286
00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:34,039
that's atypical from where we were last year, in the

287
00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,399
in the year before. Right. So let's say you're sitting

288
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,600
your regulars, right and you know, even at the end

289
00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:46,399
of the roster, you know, you want to develop Kyle Philipowski,

290
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,919
or you want to develop or you want to see,

291
00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:56,360
you know, how Bright Sensible, you know, handles thirty five minutes,

292
00:16:56,679 --> 00:16:59,240
or you want to see how Cody Williams handled thirty

293
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:05,279
five minutes. I think one of the things that will

294
00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:10,640
help the jazz hustle and reverse is you know, you

295
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,839
play Cody Williams a lot of minutes even with the

296
00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:18,799
regular rotation. You know, you play Isaiah Collier a lot

297
00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,759
of minutes. And I think Isaiah Callier right now if

298
00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:25,519
the season started today, and it won't start today, but

299
00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:29,680
it will start in ninety six hours that or one

300
00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,279
hundred and twenty hours that you know, he would be

301
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,880
the primary backup point guard. So you know it will

302
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,680
be It's gonna be really interesting to see, you know,

303
00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:49,960
how the Jazz mesh their veterans versus how they bring

304
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,640
along and develop their young guys. You know, how many

305
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,759
minutes is Jordan Clarkson play from night to night? How

306
00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:59,400
many minutes does John Collins play from from night to

307
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,880
night even though he's probably not gonna start to at

308
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,119
least to begin the season. You know, So how does

309
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,079
all of that stuff work?

310
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,119
Speaker 1: What the hell happened with Walker Kessler last year and

311
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,759
even to the point that he's being bandied about in

312
00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,720
trade rumors? Was it he was injured? Wasn't fitting with

313
00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:20,880
John Collins? We saw some of his efficiency on the

314
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,599
interior go down. Is there something else at play? Is

315
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,279
he like running a social security scam? Among the sixty

316
00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,319
five and over community that we don't know about, because

317
00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:33,279
it felt like this guy went from revelation to expendable

318
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,880
to this team very quickly quickly.

319
00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,759
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he was expendable, because I think

320
00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,240
if he was expendable, the Jazz we already traded him.

321
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,400
Speaker 1: That's a fair point.

322
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,160
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that they've turned down multiple

323
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,200
trade offers for him, multiple good trade offers for multiple teams, because,

324
00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:59,200
like you just mentioned, if Walker Kessler goes from here

325
00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:04,039
to here, you know, there there teams that need There

326
00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:07,200
were teams that needed summer centers this summer, some obvious

327
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,960
teams that we're gonna check in on Walker, and there

328
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,680
were some obvious teams that did. And there were some

329
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,440
obvious teams that put offers on the table and the

330
00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:18,759
Jazz said no to all of them, and you know

331
00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:24,759
they were they were good offers too. So this is

332
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,680
a really big season for Walker. But to go back

333
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,960
to what happened last year, I think that there was

334
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,880
a sense among the Jazz that Walker didn't have the

335
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,960
greatest all season ever, so that really that that contributed

336
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,960
to it. And then he got hurt on Opening night,

337
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:49,480
and that contributed to it, and he came back, and

338
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,680
by the time he came back, John Walker had kind

339
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,359
of locked down the center spot, so that contributed to it.

340
00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,720
And then by the time that happened, you know, Walker

341
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,200
kind of got into his own head and got really frustrated,

342
00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,279
so that contributed to it. There was just like a

343
00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:14,720
just kind of a snowball effect of issues that you know,

344
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,839
just kind of really contributed to it, to to what

345
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,039
happened with Walker. And you know, and I think that

346
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,920
there's there was some culpability on both sides. I thought

347
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,680
there was some culpability with the Jazz, and I thought

348
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,799
that there was some culpability with Walker Kestler himself. So

349
00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:36,039
the good thing is that Walker's camp and the Jazz,

350
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,880
you know, they had a kind of come to Jesus meeting,

351
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,079
uh in the off season, and you know, Walker had

352
00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:52,000
a really good off season and you know, he got bigger,

353
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,200
he got stronger. You know, he blocked four or five

354
00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,680
shots against the Kings. You know. So the things that

355
00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:04,319
I want to see from Walker, you know, just covering

356
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,599
him right right, I want to see him screen better.

357
00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you connected on those things a little more often, Huh.

358
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: He's you know, people talk about Rudy Gobert and they say, oh, well,

359
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,000
what what makes Rudy different than some of these other people?

360
00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,279
What makes Rudy different from Walker Kessler? What makes really

361
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,599
different from you know, Derek Live. I'm just throwing names

362
00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:30,200
out there. I'm just you know, and the difference is,

363
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,559
Rudy Gobert is by far the best screener in the world,

364
00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:38,880
in the world, by far, nobody's even close. And you know,

365
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,440
so I digress. But anyway, screening is really important, and

366
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,759
Walker has to do do a better job at it.

367
00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:48,680
He's got to rebound the basketball, he's got to finish,

368
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:50,759
and I think that he's one of the best rim

369
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,400
protectors on earth. He's got to keep doing that. And

370
00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:58,920
you know, and I think that I think that, you know,

371
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,519
he's one of the reasons why, you know, then to

372
00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:03,920
then I think the Jazz are too good to win

373
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,079
twenty five games, because if you put him in the

374
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,279
middle and you have him protecting the basket, it's going

375
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,559
to be really, really difficult to score at the basket.

376
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,319
And you know, and I think that that Walker, you know,

377
00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,160
I think he needs to have a big season because

378
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,799
you know, next year he's going to be eligible for

379
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,160
an extension, and I think in you know, so what

380
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:31,799
happens this season is going to go a long way

381
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,839
for me to determining determining, you know, whether he's with

382
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,319
the Utah Jazz in years five, six and seven of

383
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,559
his career or if he's on another team in years five,

384
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,799
six and seven in his career.

385
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: Kiante George. I was smirking to myself while I was

386
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,240
doing the outline for this because I really try to

387
00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:54,319
not let preseason cloud my judgment of pre existing samples.

388
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,079
And one of my questions was like, how concerning was

389
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,400
his efficiency, especially after the Jazz kind of tore down.

390
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480
But I was thinking to myself, like, he's just had

391
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,480
some moments during the preseason where he looks so much

392
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:09,000
more in command of the offense, still kind of comfortable

393
00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:11,480
getting to his spots, feels like he has some different

394
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,839
takeoff points and angles, And so I was thinking of

395
00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:15,680
myself like, oh, I just can't bring myself to worry,

396
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,400
But like, is that an actual concern, Like you know,

397
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,119
preseason is preseason is. Preseason is the is the qualifier,

398
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,720
But what are you kind of looking to see from

399
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,400
him heading into year two?

400
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:33,039
Speaker 2: I want to see the efficiency improve. Obviously, I want

401
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,119
to see the game slow down for him, but most

402
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,279
of all, I want to see him run a team.

403
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,920
And this is a big year for him. I think

404
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,519
the Jazz want to I think the Jazz know this

405
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:49,440
is what they know about Kante George. They know that

406
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:53,960
he's a starting level guard in the NBA. But here's

407
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,519
what they want to know. They want to know if

408
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,680
he's a dude or if he's just a starting level

409
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,799
guard the NBA. And there's a difference, right Like, they

410
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,720
want to know if he's Kyanty George or they want

411
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:12,640
to know if he's potentially the next Devin Booker. And

412
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:15,480
I think they want to know that. And I think

413
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,920
they want to know if he's a point guard, if

414
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,160
he's a two guard, and I think that that's those

415
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,640
are those are two things that they want to know. Now.

416
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,400
I think that Kyante has gotten I think he's had

417
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,000
a really good preseason. I think that he's looked really good.

418
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,240
I think that he's, you know, getting to his spots,

419
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,039
he's getting to the basket, he's shooting the ball better.

420
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:43,640
I want to see him averaging somewhere around six assist

421
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,720
a game, somewhere in between six and seven assists a

422
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:54,160
game and you know, not somewhere between three and four

423
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,960
assist per game. So you know, I think that those

424
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,160
are you important things, important benchmarks from the hit. I think,

425
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,079
I think, you know, the Jazz want to see you know,

426
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,599
they don't want him to be a fifty fifty fifty

427
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,880
forty ninety guy, but you know, they want they want

428
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,160
to see him somewhere around forty five percent from the field,

429
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,720
somewhere around ninety from the three point from the free

430
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,720
throw line, and somewhere around thirty five thirty seven from

431
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:33,000
from from three. Yeah, so you know it's it's it's

432
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,480
an important season for him as well. But I think

433
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,119
that you know, the Jazz know that there's a floor there,

434
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,200
like they know that they have a starter, they at

435
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,759
least have a starter in him, but they want to

436
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,839
know whether they have a starter or they have a star.

437
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think he's I don't know if I

438
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,400
believe he will be like a war general type guy

439
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,240
long term, but I was very impressed just as a

440
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,279
rookie with the flashes he showed there because I didn't

441
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,119
even think he had basically a chance of being that

442
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,240
type of player last year and so he turned to

443
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,240
me there even though like the efficiency wasn't always there. There's,

444
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,640
of course the mistakes. I'm wondering if this team is

445
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,160
set up. I mean, you know, Walker Kessler is screening

446
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,119
better for one, Like, that's a pick and roll combination

447
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,759
I feel like should be better than it was last year,

448
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,200
and that can maybe open up pockets rim to get

449
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,559
to the rim. So I'm very kind of interested to

450
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,839
see what his trajectory looks like this season, specifically if

451
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,759
Walker Kesler is one healthier to a bigger part of

452
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,640
what they're doing, and three just better overall.

453
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,599
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the George comparison with Jamal Murray?

454
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,839
Speaker 1: Uh, I just don't understand why he would shoot for

455
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,599
the floor.

456
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: So that.

457
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not Anyone who listened to this podcast just

458
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:54,319
knows that I've not been like the biggest Jamal Murray guy.

459
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,240
I guess I don't mind that comp But do you

460
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:01,599
think he has like the off ball ability like who is?

461
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:02,359
Because I can't.

462
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: Murray works because he has Nicola Jokis to do the

463
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,240
playmaking for him, right, So there's obviously not a Nicola

464
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:17,240
Jokic on the Utah Jazz, So you know, I mean

465
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
it's like, like you know, like I said, I mean,

466
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,279
you know, the Jazz want to know if there's a

467
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,079
ceiling for him, like can he be an all star

468
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,119
in this league? Can he be a guy? You know?

469
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,759
Because you need you probably need three guys to win

470
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,640
an NBA championship. So the Jazz have one guy that's

471
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,880
Lowry Marketing. So if you're an NBA championship level team,

472
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Larry Marketing has got to be your number two, right,

473
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,240
So can Keyante George be your number three? Or can

474
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,839
he be you know, a cod number two with with

475
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,519
Loarry Marketing and then you know you get your number

476
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:06,079
one out of out of one of the next two drafts.

477
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,279
Speaker 1: Or did you draft have been number ten this year?

478
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,039
Speaker 2: Or did you draft him at number ten? Listen, I

479
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,359
am so high on I am so high on Cody Williams.

480
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,519
Speaker 1: Can you get into it? Can you explain I he

481
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,359
was number one on my big board very quickly leading

482
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,559
into the draft. I would have probably if I redid it,

483
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,319
put Reed Sheppard number one, but he wouldn't have fallen

484
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,799
lower than two. So what is it about him that

485
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,279
intrigues you so much?

486
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:31,839
Speaker 2: I would put it to you like this, if the

487
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,240
Jazz had the number one pick, they might not have

488
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,000
drafted Cody Williams, but Cody Williams would have been very

489
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,400
very deep into that conversation. Like they still might have

490
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,240
drafted re should say, but Cody Williams would have been

491
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,160
like right there in that conversation. So the fact that

492
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,400
the Jazz got him at ten like they were doing backflips.

493
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,960
But man, he just there's just not a skill that

494
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,440
he doesn't have. Like he can shoot the ball, he

495
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,799
can dribble the ball, he can pass the ball. He's

496
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,400
athletic enough. The athletic pop is there that he's dunking

497
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,359
on you in traffic.

498
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: He can look too, because he's like kind of Spindley,

499
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,519
and I think people associate that with being frail and

500
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:19,480
weak and he's not.

501
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw him take a DHO against the Kings,

502
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,319
snaking into the pick and roll and find an open shooter.

503
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,000
Now the open shooter did not make this shot, so

504
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,440
I was very upset.

505
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:36,119
Speaker 1: But put him.

506
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,839
Speaker 2: Found the open shooter on a diagonal pass, and I

507
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,599
was just like Jesus, like that sequence, Like you know,

508
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,599
you start in the corner, you you flash, you take

509
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,839
the g DHO, you take the DHO right for for

510
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,839
you basketball fans, DHO is a dribble handoff. You take

511
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,920
the DHO, you go right into the pick and roll,

512
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,559
and then you find like that when you find a

513
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,279
shooter diagonally in the corner. That's high level stuff for

514
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:09,200
a guy who has yet to play an NBA game.

515
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,079
He was pressured out high by the Kings on one possession,

516
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,720
blows by, the possession goes to the basket, and uh

517
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:28,039
it gets a goaltend. I even kind of in the

518
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,039
locker room after the game, I kind of chied at him.

519
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,359
I was like, you got to turn that over and

520
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,839
he was like, oh, the goalten. I was like yeah.

521
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960
I was like, Cody, you gotta dunk that. And he

522
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,079
was like, no, man, I was fouled, but I'm a rookie.

523
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,039
I'm not going to get that call. I was like, oh,

524
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,000
I was, you were fouled. He was like, Tony's like,

525
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,079
go back and look at the the replay. I was

526
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480
clearly hit on the arm. And Larry Marketer is like that, yeah,

527
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:51,400
like he was, he was hit on the arm, but

528
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,519
he you know, he's a rookie. He's not going to

529
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,359
get But it's just the kind of awareness that he has,

530
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,279
and you know, he can play both ends. He switches bull.

531
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,960
I think he's an NBA shooting guard. Like, I don't

532
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,640
even think he's a three. I think he can be

533
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,400
an oversize two, huh. And which would be great for

534
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,039
the Jazz if they got Ace Ace Bailey or Cooper

535
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,559
Flag right, so, because he could just slide in at

536
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:26,440
the two. But you know the thing, like you can

537
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,039
always point to stuff that people have to get better at,

538
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,240
but as a rookie, but it's usually basketball stuff. And

539
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,079
obviously you can you're obviously going to get better by osmosis.

540
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,720
But there's not a skill that's not there, you know.

541
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,599
So my dog wants to make an appearance hot Nola.

542
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:46,839
Speaker 1: We love dogs around these parts.

543
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: Get down.

544
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,759
Speaker 1: Hey, she's high on Cody Williams too.

545
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's high on Cody Williams. So you know, there's

546
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,400
not a skill level that has to appear that he

547
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,559
has to do that he has to accrue. He just

548
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,000
has to keep developing all of the skills that he had.

549
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,240
My thing with him is he's got to get bigger,

550
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000
he's got to get stronger, and his body has to

551
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,720
physically mature and mentally upstairs. He has to realize how

552
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,759
good he has a chance to be, because to me,

553
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,200
I think that that's going to be the biggest his

554
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,279
biggest obstacle him waking up one day and being like,

555
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,279
oh my god, I can be a twenty five to

556
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:29,519
five five guy in this league because I'm just that good.

557
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,880
And you know, I think that his brother has it.

558
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:34,960
I think his brother knows it, but I think that

559
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,039
he's got to know it too.

560
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:42,319
Speaker 1: That is that kind of is like adjacent to my

561
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,440
concern for him, where it's directly related to where I'm

562
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,240
wondering if he can do all these things that I

563
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,559
like about him in higher volume, and the other thing

564
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,559
I'm not saying that would tie into do you have

565
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,319
the confidence to do it? Like to be in that

566
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,359
constant mode of I am the like I am the guy.

567
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,799
And the other thing I'm not quite sure that I

568
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,480
see he moves so seamlessly, like everywhere on the ball,

569
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,480
off the ball, that I guess I could see it

570
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,799
would be do you think that he has the perimeter

571
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
like I do? Feel like to be a guy like

572
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,640
one of the top two guys on a really good

573
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,519
team the NBA. Now you need to be some type

574
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,640
of a perimeter self creator from one of those two levels,

575
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,039
like or both levels on the outside. Do you think

576
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,680
he has that into his game because I kind of

577
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720
see someone who he wants to rather if he's going

578
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,319
to create for himself, put the ball on the floor,

579
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,400
try and get to the basket, or spray out to

580
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,480
someone or dump it off.

581
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that part has to come along

582
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,119
as well, you know, just like the shot making from

583
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:40,160
playing the spots. Right, So let's make a comparison there.

584
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,920
So I think that Cody Williams right now is a

585
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,039
better all around basketball player than Nace Bailey. But what

586
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,640
does Ace Bailey do right now that Cody Williams doesn't do.

587
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,039
Ace Bailey plays two spots and when he gets to

588
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,200
that spot, he's a shot maker. Oh right now, Now,

589
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,960
if you're projecting Ayce Bailly and Cody Williams, you can project,

590
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,760
you can easy, you can more easier project Ace Bailly

591
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,639
to be a number one guy than you can Cody Williams,

592
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,639
who's probably a better all around player, who defends better,

593
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,719
who's a better passer, who's a better playmaker for others,

594
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,400
and just in general, just a better all around basketball

595
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,719
player and The other thing with Ace Bailly is Ace

596
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,199
Bailly right now, he's a killer, but he's like, I'm

597
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,960
gonna go out and I'm gonna drop twenty five on

598
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,079
you and there's nothing you can do about it. And

599
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,760
Cody's like, yeah, man, I'm gonna take this ten to

600
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,360
seven and six and I'm gonna take you know, and

601
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,760
I'm gonna be a plus. I'm gonna be a plus

602
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,880
fifteen while I'm doing it, which is great. But you know,

603
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,559
you got to have a guy to have to have

604
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,599
to build battle of being the number one guy is

605
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,400
to have number one mentality, and you know, I think

606
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,800
that that's where Cody needs. Where Cody needs developed. But

607
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,719
you know, I tweeted, I was like, one day Cody

608
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,760
Williams is going to wake up and realize how good

609
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,679
he is and he's going to start making all star teams.

610
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,159
And I really do believe that he's he has all

611
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:18,840
star upside.

612
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I think you are the the only other person I've

613
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000
come across that is as high on Cody Williams as

614
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,360
as I am. This is I was not anticipate. I

615
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,679
guess I did not know you were this high. That

616
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400
makes me feel less like an insane person that I

617
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:33,920
was so high.

618
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're here.

619
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,679
Speaker 1: The Jazz do have one of my other favorite like

620
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760
prospects in the league that I'm smitten with in Taylor Hendrix,

621
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,400
who I just remain I don't I don't even care

622
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,119
that the offense wasn't necessarily there last year. I think

623
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,920
he's going to be really good. What were your initial

624
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,119
impressions of just the time that he spent with the

625
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,400
you know, the actual Jazz last year, and what are

626
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,559
you kind of monitoring for him in year two?

627
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,159
Speaker 2: Follow me on this. I think that Taylor Hendricks is

628
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:09,280
wrong for the twenty twenty for twenty twenty five Utah Jazz.

629
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:12,079
Speaker 1: So you think he's wrong.

630
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: I think he's wrong for the twenty twenty four to

631
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,239
twenty twenty five Utah Jazz. But I think that he

632
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,840
could be insanely valuable for the twenty twenty seven twenty

633
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:32,960
twenty eight Utah Jazz. Okay, so let me explain Taylor

634
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:40,519
Hendricks right now. Is a guy who is a really

635
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:46,400
valuable role player, valuable three in D guy can switch

636
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,000
effortlessly through positions, can make a three, can make a

637
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:55,039
couple of threes, can make three or four threes. Can

638
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,480
probably be a small ball center in a playoff setting,

639
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:03,199
but the Jazz don't have that infrastructure around him right

640
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,480
like to have to be to maximize that skill set,

641
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,000
you got to have a team of guys who we're

642
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,719
moving the ball, balls popping. Obviously, Tailor in the corner

643
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,599
and he has threes, he's coming down, and we're playing

644
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,400
for something right like we're fifty three and twenty nine

645
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,960
and we're playing for something like right now, Like Taylor

646
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,679
Hendricks would be awesome for the Denver Nuggets, just absolutely

647
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,599
awesome because he could play three or four positions. He

648
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,199
can play them defensively, he can even protect the rim,

649
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,679
he can play out on the perimeter, and he can

650
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:46,159
make shots. He's wrong for a team that has a

651
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,719
roster of guys who are trying to play for their

652
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,639
next contract, which is what the Jazz are right now.

653
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,159
So you know the ball's gonna move because you not

654
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,800
gonna the ball's not gonna You're not gonna play for

655
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Will Hardy if the ball's not gonna move, but the

656
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,280
ball ain't popping because you know these guys are playing

657
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,840
for the next contract. You got a whole bunch of

658
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,960
people playing on their first contracts, and you got a

659
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,480
whole bunch of veterans who are seeing their contracts come up.

660
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,880
So you know who's contract wise, who's who's who's comfortable

661
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,480
on the Jets right now? Outside of Larry Marketing.

662
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,159
Speaker 1: I mean, Sex is gonna be feeling his next deal

663
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,760
is coming up. So I gues if you're fat, like

664
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,960
if that's your terms. But I mean, like it feels

665
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,280
like him and Jordan Clarkson should be like fairly comfortable

666
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,280
with their status in the league. I would think, whereas

667
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,519
all these other guys, even if they're still a couple

668
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,400
of years away, they're just not as established. So they're

669
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440
playing for that too, right, So.

670
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: In two or three years, when the Jats are playing

671
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,239
for something, you know, Taylor Hendricks becomes potentially, you know,

672
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,519
one of the most more valuable role players in the league.

673
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,199
Speaker 1: I think, I I guess I see that logic. I

674
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,000
would be curious, do you see any more like I

675
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,639
think Actually I think it was the Kings game that

676
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:15,360
you're just talking about. He catches the ball on like

677
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,039
the mid post and he just like quick processing, is

678
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,800
able to spin and get to the hoop. Yeah, do

679
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,559
you see more of that type of offense in him,

680
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,559
like more on ball stuff that he even if it's

681
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:26,599
only one or two dribble stuff rather than kind of.

682
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: Like I think I do, But you know, I think,

683
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,960
you know, he's more. He's going to be a guy

684
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360
who's going to make threes as you know, a sixteen

685
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,840
big and you know he's going to attack the dribble.

686
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,320
You know, he's going to attack closeouts off the dribble

687
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,519
one two one two dribbles either pull up a shoot,

688
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,599
go all the way to the basket, or find the

689
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:59,360
next pass. You know, I don't see him being a

690
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,880
self creat you know. And I don't see you know,

691
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,719
the offense going going off an NBA offense going through him.

692
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,239
But you know, when you if you put him on

693
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,679
the right team, and you put him in the right

694
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,199
uh and you put him in in you know, in

695
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:24,480
the right circumstance. You know, the way he defends his versatility,

696
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,880
I personally think he can guard at least four to

697
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,840
five positions.

698
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,679
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's that's a rookie. The way he was

699
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,480
moved around and then like held his own against literally everybody.

700
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and he's going to play fifteen

701
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:43,599
years at least just because he has that skill set

702
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,360
combined with the skill set of him. Man, we'll shoot

703
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,519
the basketball. But you know that skill set is just

704
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:55,119
not going to as readily show up on the twenty

705
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,960
twenty four, twenty five Utah Jazz, kay, because there are

706
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,639
so many people who have who are trying to establish themselves,

707
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,119
you know, so you know the ball's not going to

708
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,039
always find him, and you know there are going to

709
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:11,920
be a lot of games where you look up in

710
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,800
the third quarter and you know he's got two to

711
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,679
four points on two to four shots. On this team,

712
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,599
now where this is what he can control. I would

713
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,360
love to see him rebound a lot better. And I

714
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,559
would love to see him, you know, averaging eight to

715
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,360
ten rebounds a game because I think he's going to

716
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,639
have the runway to do it. And you know, obviously

717
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,280
you know him defensively. Just keep doing what you're doing defensively.

718
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440
But I want to see him rebound the basketball a

719
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,159
lot better than he has at this point.

720
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: It does seem like, just based off what I've seen

721
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,559
on preseason, like that he might have the green light

722
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,480
that kind of get in there on the offensive glass,

723
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,840
like coming in and zooming in from the corners in

724
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,599
like the forty five degree angles. So Larry marketing, this

725
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,280
is either great podcasting or terrible podcasting that we haven't

726
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,239
really talked about him forty minutes into a Utah, Well,

727
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,280
I have two questions, and one of them, if I

728
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,440
was to give you truth serum the renegotiate and an

729
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,199
extent which you were all over, kudos to you, how

730
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,039
much of that was about, okay, the Jazz view lowry

731
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,760
marketing as a mainstay. How much of that was about

732
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,400
preserving an asset? How much of that was also kind

733
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,559
of like didn't factor in it all that Well, we're

734
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:27,079
gonna suck on purpose, and we want to make sure

735
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,920
that he doesn't get wandering eyes himself. Like, of just

736
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,760
those three things, like, what's kind of the biggest like

737
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,760
factors that go into making that decision this past summer?

738
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there was the eronous part of

739
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,119
the whole thing was there was this thinking that the

740
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,440
Jazz had to trade them and that was just kind

741
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,760
of dumb. They didn't have to trade them in in

742
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,320
you know, and I think, you know, there were teams

743
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,920
that were just going only so far because they felt

744
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,239
like the Jazz had to trade them, Like you.

745
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: Know, can I nominate one.

746
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,159
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm I'm gonna just say this. I'm not

747
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,400
letting Brandon Pajemski get in between the way, get in

748
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,840
the way of me and Lowry market I'm just not

749
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:17,639
thank you.

750
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh. My whole conspiracy theory, by the way, is that

751
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,840
the Warriors, well, of course they liked Lowry marketing. That

752
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,239
whole pursuit felt purely performative because all the report came

753
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,199
out like they don't want to give up pods or

754
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Kaminga or any of their picks, and it's like, well,

755
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,039
then what are we doing here? It felt very much

756
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,280
like we just want to show Steph that we kind

757
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,079
of faked a pursuit of a player whould help us win.

758
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Now, the truth of the matter is there was there

759
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,519
was not a trade close on. There was not a

760
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,119
there were those sides were not close to a trade there.

761
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,880
You know, there was a scenario that the Jazz would

762
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,920
have accepted a trade, you know, but it would have

763
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,719
involved everything Golden State had, and obviously Golden State's not

764
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,599
going to give everything. But you know the bottom line

765
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,440
and the bottom line that raised when you there was

766
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,079
a lot of minutia, and there was a lot of

767
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,199
like you said, there was a lot of performing a

768
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,239
lot of performative stuff. The bottom line of the trade

769
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
is Golden State only had two unprotected first round picks

770
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,159
to give, and the bottom line is the Jazz weren't

771
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:27,280
given lottery marketing enough for two unprotected first round picks.

772
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,119
You know, you can take pods, and you could take

773
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,760
all of the pick swaps and all the second rounders

774
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920
that you can. The bottom line is too unprotected first

775
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,159
round picks. That's all that the Warriors had to give.

776
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,559
So you know, that trade just really didn't come close

777
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:51,519
and certainly didn't come as as close to to getting

778
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:56,440
done to what you know, people believed or what Twitter believed.

779
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,559
So you know, and the other part of it doesn't mean,

780
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,519
like said, Lowry wanted to be there. And you know,

781
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,840
I think if if a team had come in with

782
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,400
the mother Lode, and the team had come in and

783
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,239
with four unprotected first round picks, three unprotected swaps and

784
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:22,880
a good player, you know, like I think that the

785
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,079
Jazz would have seriously considered it. But you know, they

786
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,199
love Lowry, and you know, they didn't have to trade

787
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,159
him and they're not giving them away. They weren't giving

788
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:39,079
them away, and more importantly, they think, you know, there's

789
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:46,519
one hundred belief within the organization that Lowry is still

790
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,280
going to be this version of Lowry whenever the Jazz

791
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,159
get really good again. You know. So you know, people

792
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,280
were like, well, he doesn't fit the timeline. You know,

793
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,719
he's twenty seven years old, YadA, YadA. Yeah, he's twenty

794
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,559
seven years old, and his strength is shooting a three

795
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,519
is a game at forty and.

796
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:11,679
Speaker 1: Playing off others like different if he was James Harden

797
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,280
at his age, Like I kind of get it, like

798
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,480
thealier said, but like that's he just he scales to

799
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,159
every iteration of what the shoot talking could be exactly.

800
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean the Jazz was just not

801
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,599
they were just never giving that away. You know, that

802
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,519
was either going to be you meet what we want

803
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,000
or we're not trading him. And they didn't end up

804
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:34,559
not trading.

805
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: Do you think I actually asked you this question last year?

806
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
I think, but like this is someone we just mentioned

807
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,760
plays off others. Do they try and give him any

808
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,719
more creation responsibilities this year or do they not want

809
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,559
to disrupt what he's doing best because but there is

810
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,400
a vacuum on this I mean, you have Clarkson, you

811
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,960
have sex, and you Cante George, but there is kind

812
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,559
of a vacuum of proven creators, and so in theory

813
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,159
there would be the runway to kind of experiment with

814
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,199
maybe him doing some more things on the ball.

815
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean definitely. You know, it didn't go very well,

816
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,360
but you know, they they did the dirt novisky thing

817
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:18,480
in the Kings game where you're throwing the ball in

818
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:23,239
the middle of the of the key area and you

819
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,639
know he can go left the right, and you know,

820
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,239
now he got stripped almost every time for some reason.

821
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,880
But you know, that's just an example of you know,

822
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,840
trying to get him to develop, you know, his his

823
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,519
chops on the ball in terms of self creation. You know,

824
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,599
so he's gonna get He's definitely gonna get a lot

825
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,760
of the chances in that area this year. I think

826
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,960
Chanti George is gonna get a lot of chances in

827
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,639
that areas this year as well, you know, and and

828
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,880
we'll see what happens with it.

829
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Are we able to talk to run through very quickly

830
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,480
some of the other young guys on this team and

831
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,960
just your general impressions of them, what their roles might

832
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,199
be they're fits with this team.

833
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: Who do you want to know about?

834
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: Let's start with I think he's become There's always like

835
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,239
from every team, it always feels like there's that one

836
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,199
player that Twitter needs to obsess over and prove that

837
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,880
they know ball. Isaiah Collier feels like he's going to

838
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,119
be one of those guys this year. What have been

839
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:23,559
your initial impressions of him?

840
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: He gets to the rim very well. It's hard to

841
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,679
stay in front of him. What is he going to

842
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,719
do when people start going under his pick and rolls?

843
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Because it's the preseason right now, so nobody cares. But

844
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,920
what's gonna happen when we get to the regular season

845
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,559
and he gets scouted and when he's running pick and roll,

846
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,199
his man is like pretty much in the lane, So

847
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:55,440
the shooting has to come a long way. But he

848
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,079
has really impressed this preseason, like I said, like I

849
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:09,280
said earlier, Uh, the season starts tomorrow. He's probably the

850
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,599
backup point guard, so he's in the rotation, and I

851
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:15,519
think that he's earned his way into rotation. I think

852
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,880
he's defended well. I think that he's run the team

853
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,280
extremely well. Like I think if you took Keyante George's

854
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:32,320
scoring chops in self creation chops, and you injected him

855
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,480
with the way that Isaiah Kayer has run the team

856
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,280
this preseason, County Kyante George would be an All Star

857
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,920
and you know, so he's he's figured out how to

858
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,719
get guys the ball in ball in the right spots.

859
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,079
I think his pairing with Jordan Clarkson is a really

860
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,960
has been a really good one. And I've been surprised

861
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,199
at that, but now I know why, because he's not

862
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,320
really competing with Jordan for shots. He's just trying to

863
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,719
run a team. And you know, so Jordan can just

864
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:11,360
go and do his thing. You know, so already you know,

865
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,199
if if you know the backup point guard, things sticks

866
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,880
and he's able to run a team for fifteen twenty

867
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,719
minutes at you know, a decent and high level, I

868
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,039
mean that's already worth pick number twenty nine.

869
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had. I never would have expected him to

870
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,360
be so good as just a like quarterback type guy

871
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,599
of the offense as a passer. I just in my

872
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,920
mind he was just a score and that's just what

873
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,639
I kind of type casted him as coming in. Bryce Sentabah,

874
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,079
where are we at with him?

875
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: I'm still really lukewarm or mixed on him. I think

876
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,400
he's a terrific shooter. I think he can make shots.

877
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,000
I wonder if he's ever going to get his body

878
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,800
to the point where he's quick enough off the dribble,

879
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,559
uh to to really get the spots. He's crafty, he's

880
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:12,599
really skilled. This is a big year for him. I

881
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,760
think that he's gotta, you know, kind of perform well.

882
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,400
I think he's going to be in the rotation. I

883
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,719
think that he's going to get a chance to get

884
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:27,280
some minutes. And but you know, this this year is

885
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,480
is going to be a really big year for him

886
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:33,480
because you know, if the Jazz get the right guy

887
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,360
in the draft and you know, Cody Williams moves back

888
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,760
to shooting guard, you know, we'll see what happens. But

889
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,360
you know, he can really shoot basketball like he's you know,

890
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,519
he's he's got a beautiful shot and he's not fraid in.

891
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,599
You know, I think he's an NBA player. So I

892
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,400
think that I think that that's proven. It's just what

893
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,360
level still has to be proven.

894
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:07,199
Speaker 1: Do you think that he'll be able to kind of

895
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,280
diversify the reads he's making when he is putting the

896
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,880
ball on the floor, Like, is this someone who gets

897
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,679
too much tunnel vision? Is he going to get better

898
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,320
at you know, deferring at all?

899
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,039
Speaker 2: I think he makes great reads. I just don't know

900
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,760
he's quick enough to make those reads matter, Okay, And

901
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,840
you know that's that's that's the thing, like you know

902
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,719
you can be you know so like I can make reads,

903
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,320
but I ain't quick enough to at the NBA level

904
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,480
to get to any spots to make those reads matter.

905
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,920
You know, so is Bryce sens the ball? Can he

906
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,920
get the A from A to b off the dribble

907
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,719
in order to make really good reads? Can he get

908
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,159
the A to b off the dribble to to get

909
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:51,519
into his shot, to get into what he does from

910
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,480
a postal perspective or what he does from a mid

911
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,159
range perspective. We know he could shoot from above the arc,

912
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,360
Like that's not that's what's going to make him an

913
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,039
NBA player ultimately, But you know, it's just about what

914
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,480
he can do with his body to make the other

915
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:10,480
parts of his game matter.

916
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,159
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about Johnny Juzang, who is always

917
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,760
he's bigger. I always forget that he's sixty seven? Is

918
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,400
basically what I'm getting at he's like all first team.

919
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,360
I forget how tall this guy actually is.

920
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,639
Speaker 2: Wow. I thought he was six y five myself.

921
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,679
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he's being generously listed. I think Basketball Reference

922
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,400
was the one I saw. He's six seven on.

923
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: Johnny Giuse has inexplicably not missed a shot this preseason,

924
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,079
so he's been terrific. He's also proving that he's probably

925
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,639
an NBA player. You know, he's a one skilled guy

926
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,679
right like he is, He's, you know, always going to

927
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,239
be a shooter. That's what's going to keep him in

928
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,039
the league. So you know, he's got to keep working

929
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,960
on being a weapon shooter. So keep working on coming

930
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,079
off penn downs, keep working off coming off of dh os,

931
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,440
and you know, but he's he's a hack of a shooter,

932
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:08,960
and you know he's, uh, he's he's got a big

933
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,800
heart relative to that jump shot. So you know, I

934
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,760
think that at some point in his career he's going

935
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,719
to make a big shot in a really really big

936
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,880
playoff game and people are going to realize that, Uh,

937
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,320
he should have been a He would have been a

938
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,840
first round pick had he come out after a sophomore year.

939
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Philipowski what are you what are your initial impressions

940
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,880
of him.

941
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good summer league. I

942
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,840
thought he was I thought, I think he's really skilled.

943
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,719
I think he's at this point a lot better at

944
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,840
the center spot than he is at the power forward

945
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,440
spot because he gets quicker and he gets quicker guys

946
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,400
at the power forward spot. At the center spot. Uh,

947
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,079
he's quicker than a lot of guys. You know, I

948
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,599
don't know that he's going to be in a rotation

949
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:15,280
so far on opening night, but you know, he's he's

950
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:20,599
he's got a lot to work with offensively. I'm not

951
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,679
sure how he defends at the NBA level or who

952
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,320
he defends at the NBA level, but I think that

953
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,079
I think we're going to see I think he's going

954
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:38,000
to be somebody that can really benefit from going to

955
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:41,039
the Salt Lake City Stars in the G League and

956
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:43,960
just getting a lot of on ball reps, in developing

957
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,519
a lot of on ball stuff. But you know, he's

958
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:51,639
he's a guy that you know, I think the Jazz

959
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:52,679
are really excited about.

960
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,679
Speaker 1: Is there any because you kind of talked about a

961
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,920
few times how this is their prioritizing development here. Are

962
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,119
there any you see any plans being in place for

963
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,800
how they're gonna I assume Colin Sexton will start like

964
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,760
when you look at him, when you look at Clarkson,

965
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,440
even John Collins. Is this a situation where you could

966
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,119
see their minutes being capped or is there gonna be

967
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,039
special like rest nights caked in for them?

968
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:14,159
Speaker 2: Like?

969
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: What are there just the plans with those vets? Who

970
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,559
those are guys that probably maybe Sexton could I suppose,

971
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,119
but those are guys that don't really align with where

972
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:22,920
Utah is headed.

973
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see if the Jazz are willing to

974
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,440
pull out all the stops to get to where they

975
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:37,199
want to go. Because I think that if they are

976
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,599
going to get to where they want to go, I

977
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,559
mean I think that all of that stuff has to

978
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:46,079
be on the table, like sitting guys on certain nights,

979
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:52,360
you know, being up ninety seven ninety five with four

980
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,320
minutes to go and in inexplicably throwing Kyle Philipowski in

981
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,360
the lineup. You know, things like that, you know, just

982
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,320
little you know, subtle things that create a tank, a

983
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:15,519
quote unquote tank, you know. And because I think the

984
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:20,880
Jazz are still really walking and typrope right like mhm.

985
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:27,199
They want to have a shot at, you know, the

986
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,440
very top of the draft, but they want to be

987
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,360
able to develop all of these guys and they want

988
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,599
to be able to keep lowry marketing happy. So you know,

989
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,480
it's going to take some work and it's going to

990
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,320
take you know, some some conversations to be had. So

991
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,840
we'll see see what happens with those conversations.

992
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the Cookie Cutter Lightning Round

993
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,000
portion of the podcast?

994
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,039
Speaker 2: Yes? I ready.

995
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,519
Speaker 1: When you look at their some of their primary weaknesses

996
00:57:55,519 --> 00:58:00,400
from last season, rim pressure, transition, defense, turnovers, three point accuracy, whatever,

997
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,920
are there any areas that stand out as ones in

998
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,320
which you think they can significantly improve with the personnel

999
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,840
that they have in place right now?

1000
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: Hmm? General defense? General, general defense?

1001
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: Is this a nowhere to go but up situation?

1002
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,559
Speaker 2: The perimeter of the defense was kind of bad last.

1003
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,079
Speaker 1: Year, and they were. They finished thirtieth in points a

1004
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:28,239
lot of per possession, right they were?

1005
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: They were. They were not a great defensive team last year.

1006
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: I guess, like with the jump, if you went with

1007
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:38,840
like the front court of like Taylor Hendrix and Walker

1008
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,440
Kessler and you have Cody Williams on the floor. Any

1009
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,199
mean you can play Larry marketing with that too, Like

1010
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,280
just having that sheer size might make them better on

1011
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,119
the defensive end.

1012
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that to I think their rim protection is

1013
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:51,360
gonna be great because Walker is going to be on

1014
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,559
the floor like he's a rim protector onto himself. And

1015
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,960
I think that, you know, Taylor being a starter. I

1016
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,519
think that's going to really help them as well in

1017
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:03,840
terms of this switch ability. We'll see what happens with Cody,

1018
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,920
but once Cody's on the floor, I think that that's

1019
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:07,960
you know, once he's ready to go, I think that's

1020
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,719
gonna help as well. I need to see Keanty, George

1021
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:16,239
and Colin Sexton defend better man because last year.

1022
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna keep waiting on the Colin sex in front.

1023
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,679
Speaker 2: I think, my friend, nah man, I need, I need.

1024
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,079
It's funny because Colin will pick you up full court

1025
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,800
and you know the you know, he'll have the eyes

1026
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,639
going to the intensity and then you know, lap the floor. Yeah,

1027
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,920
and then once we get to the half court, it's

1028
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,920
just not good that man is still scoring. So uh,

1029
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,280
you know, we'll see how Keyante and Colin developed defensively.

1030
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:51,679
Speaker 1: They I mean, if they have Walker Kestler on the court,

1031
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,280
and now you have both Cody Williams and Taylor Hendrix.

1032
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,360
Could you see them playing at all any more aggressive defense?

1033
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,360
Like this has not been a team that is like

1034
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,239
tried to force turnovers on the defensive end in forever.

1035
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,559
It feels like is that something like sometimes you see

1036
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,039
young teams play a little bit more chaotic and try

1037
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:09,960
and generate opportunities through that, or do you think that

1038
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,679
they're that won't necessarily be a focus.

1039
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,239
Speaker 2: Maybe with ky you're on the floor a little bit,

1040
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,199
but Kekyante is not a guy that's going to like

1041
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,159
force you in the turnovers. And neither of Skylin, neither

1042
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,880
is Lowry. So you know you want to bend, but

1043
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,679
don't break right like you want to. You know you're

1044
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:30,159
gonna give up some stuff, but you know, you just

1045
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,639
don't want teams to go for you know, one fifty

1046
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:32,920
on you.

1047
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: Is there anything about this team, whether it's a player, storyline, weakness, strength, concern,

1048
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,320
whatever that's flying under the radar that you think deserves

1049
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,840
more attention?

1050
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: Mm? You know, I you know, I think we talked

1051
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,400
about like pretty much everything. I don't know if there's

1052
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,800
something that that's flying under the radar. But you know,

1053
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,320
I think that, you know, I think the tailing Hendrick

1054
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,239
is probably a little bit I'm underappreciated. Hell yeah, I

1055
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,360
love it, he does. But you know, I think everything

1056
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,039
else is, you know, I think everything else is kind

1057
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,639
of we've kind of hit on.

1058
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,039
Speaker 1: So what does this if they had their top ten

1059
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,159
most used players look like, I assume I have some

1060
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:25,280
locks penciled in here, So I have Keyante, Sexton, Hendrix, Marketing, Kessler, Clarkson,

1061
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:28,800
Cody Williams, and John Collins, which is eight players penciled

1062
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,480
in as those guys are always going to play. Is

1063
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:32,599
that accurate?

1064
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty accurate. And then you'll probably have Bright

1065
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:41,519
Sensible on there, and then you'll probably have so women.

1066
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:48,320
So your starters will be Keyante, Colin, Taylor Lowry and

1067
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:56,159
Walker Kyer will come off the bench, Clarkson will come

1068
01:01:56,199 --> 01:01:59,920
off the bench. I think Sensible, get Williams and Sensible

1069
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:07,280
and John Collins. So probably ten on some nights, probably

1070
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,480
nine almost nights.

1071
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,599
Speaker 1: Okay, So like guys like a Johnny Jan's on the

1072
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:12,480
outside looking in.

1073
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: Type on the outside looking in.

1074
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:21,039
Speaker 1: Why Drew you Banks on this team?

1075
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:27,119
Speaker 2: Because the Jazz really like veterans and you know they

1076
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,639
like adults in the locker room. So that's why you

1077
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:36,400
see Drew on his team. That's why you see That's

1078
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,679
why you see Patty Mills on his team. And you

1079
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:43,880
know the thing about Drew is, you know Walker Kessler

1080
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360
and John Collins are most likely not making it through

1081
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,000
eighty two games, so you're going to need another center.

1082
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,119
So you know, Drew Drew you Banks was is is

1083
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,280
the new version of Omey?

1084
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: You're at seven Now you can interpret this however you want.

1085
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,679
Where I normally ask. I know it's matchup dependent, but

1086
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,960
what will be their go to crunch time unit? This

1087
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:08,559
is one of the teams though, where you could look

1088
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,400
at it and say, are they trying to win that

1089
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,880
game or are they trying to lose that game?

1090
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:15,719
Speaker 2: I think if they're trying to win that game, they

1091
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:16,239
go to.

1092
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: The go to would be is it just the starters?

1093
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: We're probably Well that's the thing with Will Man like Will,

1094
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Will's not married to people. So you know, let's just

1095
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
say that Jazz are trying to win win this game.

1096
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,920
Lillary marketing is always going to be on the floor

1097
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,519
one hundred percent of the time. Keyante George is probably

1098
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,599
going to be on the floor eighty five to ninety

1099
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,679
percent of the time, and then after that it's pretty

1100
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:58,840
much who's playing the best. So, you know, Cody Williams

1101
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,920
was playing really well onto he closed the game, and

1102
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:07,239
you know, and everybody was like, well, you know, will

1103
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,599
why did Cody Williams close the game? Are you trying

1104
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,639
to tell us something? No, I'm not trying to tell

1105
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,239
you anything. That lineup was going good, so you know,

1106
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,760
we wanted Cody out there, and that's pretty much how

1107
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,079
you coaches. So you'll see, you know, Jordan closed one night,

1108
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:27,320
You'll see Colin close. You'll see you know, who's ever

1109
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,480
playing better out of Walker or John Collins close. If

1110
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Taylor's playing really well, he'll close. But generally you'll see

1111
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,719
Loarry Marketing close every single night, and you'll see Cante

1112
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,400
George close probably almost every single night.

1113
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: What's a weird, funky lineup you think will Hardy should

1114
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:49,480
roll out to try this year.

1115
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: Should roll out? Yeah, I don't know there's anything weird

1116
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:54,920
and funky.

1117
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,119
Speaker 1: I mean they have to. I'm assuming this. I don't

1118
01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,599
know if it'll be a staple, but they have to

1119
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:05,599
go a ultra jumbo route with Kessler marketing, Taylor Hendrix,

1120
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:08,039
Cody Williams. Then I don't know who you want to

1121
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,079
throw in? Is that fifth? But sensibly you could throw

1122
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:12,280
in a bunch of different guys. But I'm just like,

1123
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,480
try to make it as big as possible. I want

1124
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,360
to see that be because I know Hendrix and Cody

1125
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,000
Bums aren't traditionally huge, but like when you have Williams

1126
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,159
is kind of your day facto too. In that situation,

1127
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:23,760
that's a pretty big ass lineup.

1128
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the lineupyt what probably look at.

1129
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:32,440
I would pretty definitively put Keyante in that lineup.

1130
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:37,039
Speaker 1: Give me, I say, a Collier for just the chaos.

1131
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you don't want chaos. You want

1132
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:41,400
you want production.

1133
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: So no, I want to get weird. That's the whole

1134
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,280
point of this exercise. I'm trying to get weird.

1135
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,639
Speaker 2: But like you can get weird and still produce at

1136
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:52,000
the same time. Though, Like I mean, if you put

1137
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,239
in two rookies in the starting backcourt, you know, then

1138
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:00,280
I don't know how productive not the starting back but

1139
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,079
if you put two rookies in the backcourt, then you know,

1140
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,119
we'll see, We'll have to see what happens, but maybe

1141
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:15,599
you go a lot up. I like would be uh keyante,

1142
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:22,480
Colin Sexton, Cody Williams, Larry Marketing, and Taylor Hendrix at

1143
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:28,880
the five, Okay, that'd be fun. Just switch everything and

1144
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,760
just by all means, just try to hide Colin no

1145
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:32,119
matter what.

1146
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: As we record this, they're over under? Is it twenty

1147
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,039
seven and a half games? Tony? Would you take the

1148
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:41,679
over the under on that? As right now?

1149
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the under. I think the Jazz are

1150
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,599
gonna do it. I think they're gonna find a way

1151
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:48,519
to go twenty five and fifty seven this year.

1152
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: That's such a it's you're so right the way you're

1153
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,039
framing it, but it's just such bizarre. I think they're

1154
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,840
gonna find a way to win fewer than twenty seven games.

1155
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna find a way, man, I think.

1156
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:03,360
I think. I think we're going to play it straight

1157
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,199
for the first three to five weeks of the season

1158
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:06,719
and then.

1159
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: Aren't they at a point too? Though? Because I think

1160
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,320
people i've seen them be critical of Ale Wise, Colin

1161
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,039
Sexton and Jordan Clarkson and John Collins still on this roster.

1162
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,760
Those are competent players. They're not ruining your reb Like

1163
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,320
we've reached the point where they're like, even if they

1164
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,000
don't start shedding talent, if they're winning too many games,

1165
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,719
they might just like the coaching just might be too

1166
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:33,159
good at that point, Like, what is the because aside

1167
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:36,320
from I guess Lowry, which if that's the criticism, fine,

1168
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,199
but like, who are you absolutely removing from this team

1169
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,880
and ensuring that they're gonna get so much worse?

1170
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think to have to figure

1171
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,280
it out because because if they get pick number eleven,

1172
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:57,320
that pick goes to Oklahoma City, and right that you know,

1173
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,719
this is the only you know, they have three first

1174
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,920
round picks, but they only control one of them their own.

1175
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,920
So they're gonna have to figure it out.

1176
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,519
Speaker 1: Tony, is there anything anyone I have not asked about

1177
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,199
that you think needs to be discussed before I let

1178
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:16,920
yuska daddle.

1179
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,319
Speaker 2: You haven't asked me about Speed.

1180
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you about your sweet Bay either

1181
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,279
the big Oh how's he doing.

1182
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: He's the greatest rebounder I've ever seen. And he's a

1183
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,680
fascinating dude because he he went into the soliloquy about

1184
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,920
how to rebound the ball and knowing where the trajectory

1185
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,439
of the ball is, and I like, I was just enthralled.

1186
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,439
I was like, there's really a science to this thing.

1187
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:57,720
And he's the nicest guy ever. So I'm really rooting

1188
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:58,239
for Oscar.

1189
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,520
Speaker 1: Maybe we should throw that jumbo lineup we're talking about.

1190
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,279
Let's put Fie at the one that used to be

1191
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,479
kind of an experiment I think during his Detroit days.

1192
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,079
If I'm not that would go really well, doesn't got it.

1193
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:11,399
We're just trying to get funky Tony. Thank you so

1194
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,199
much for your time. Are you able just to tell

1195
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:15,560
our listeners and viewers where they can find you and

1196
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,760
all the great work that you do.

1197
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: I am at the Athletic so please read what I

1198
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:27,159
write and you can banter with me on Twitter at

1199
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:31,159
t Jones on the NBA.

1200
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:32,159
Speaker 1: And I encourage all of you to ask him about

1201
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,439
trade rumors that do not exist.

1202
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: Yes, trade room, and then when I report that Lowry

1203
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,760
Marketing wants to stay in Utah, then argue with me

1204
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,079
as to why I'm wrong about that report.

1205
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,119
Speaker 1: Well, hey, you can't know it, Like he can't be

1206
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:52,359
traded now, so you don't have to. If someone's arguing

1207
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,680
about Lowry marketing. You can just send them a screenshot.

1208
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,279
Speaker 2: I was just bringing up a hot topic of discussion

1209
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,600
from from this summer when I said, hey, you know

1210
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,960
Lowrie doesn't want to be traded. Well, how do you

1211
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:08,199
know are you talking to Lowry or how are you

1212
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,880
speaking for him? Okay, well we'll see when he signs.

1213
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: I personally, I just assume Lowry runs all his life

1214
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,920
decisions by you first, So I assume that you were

1215
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,119
right by his side when he was deciding all of them.

1216
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: Not all of them, but I definitely knew that he

1217
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,760
didn't want to go. I knew that he did not

1218
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,439
want to be traded from Utah. That one I got right.

1219
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: Uh, Tony, thank you so much once again for all

1220
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,319
your time. This is a blast to do every year.

1221
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,640
Best of luck covering the season and having to handle

1222
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,119
the Nuggets and the Sixers on on top of the jazz.

1223
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:40,319
I will be following, hopefully our listeners and viewers will

1224
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:42,600
be following, and as you know, boy now I'll be

1225
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,039
sliding not only into your mentions but also your dms

1226
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:46,079
down the line.

1227
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks my god, thank you for having me