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Speaker 1: So five four May two and one, our folks, welcome
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Speaker 1: Roman Domin Roma welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much guy for having me awesome.
Speaker 1: Roma is an entrepreneur and founder of Luminara, a digital
Speaker 1: platform designed to make energy healing and biofield therapy is
Speaker 1: more accessible worldwide. He created Luminara to bridge ancient healing
Speaker 1: practices with modern technology, curating vetted practitioners and delivering one
Speaker 1: to one sessions through a remote, immersive experience. His work
Speaker 1: is driven by a personal journey of loss, which led
Speaker 1: him to focus on creating spaces for healing, connection and
Speaker 1: transformation at scale. All right, Raman, before we get going,
Speaker 1: share with all listeners where you're from originally and where
Speaker 1: you are currently.
Speaker 2: I am originally from Paris, France, and I am actually
Speaker 2: in France right now. I'm calling from Paris, but I've
Speaker 2: lived ten years in Japan. That's where I met my
Speaker 2: British Indian wife.
Speaker 1: All right, so well let's jump right in here. How
Speaker 1: did this all begin for you?
Speaker 2: It started with the loss of a kid. I my
Speaker 2: wife and I had the chance of having a beautiful
Speaker 2: kid in twenty ten perfectly you know, fit. And then
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen she was pregnant and doctors told us, well,
Speaker 2: your kid may have a problem with the kidneys, and
Speaker 2: actually did have kidney polcistic disease, which led all the
Speaker 2: neotic fluid to be absorbed by the kid and therefore
Speaker 2: this a little bbe boy. Raphael could only make it
Speaker 2: for three days and then he transitioned. That loss of
Speaker 2: a child was devastating, but at the same time, it
Speaker 2: this this grief whether a teacher was a teaching for me.
Speaker 2: And I've discovered the power of presence in silence during
Speaker 2: the funeral, And believe it or not, guy, but I
Speaker 2: found the beauty in that very moment of the funeral.
Speaker 2: I thought that we as humans can bring so much
Speaker 2: love and peace to each other just by holding presence,
Speaker 2: and that led to create Luminara, because then the power
Speaker 2: of silence, of meditation, the power of being together led
Speaker 2: me to build an app called Hilo, which is, as
Speaker 2: I often say, between WhatsApp and headspace, So an app
Speaker 2: just enabling everyone to be in presence of each other,
Speaker 2: just by holding the screen off your phone for thirty
Speaker 2: seconds in a row and having some kind of a
Speaker 2: mini meditation with your friend. And you could do this
Speaker 2: as a one to one or private gathering or public gathering.
Speaker 2: And then I went on creating this crazy project, then
Speaker 2: pitching NGOs, telling them, hey, why don't you, you know,
Speaker 2: have a moment of silence, a minute of silence as
Speaker 2: an event for your community. And of course everyone has
Speaker 2: time twenty four hours a day, but you could nudge
Speaker 2: them into giving money and that would be a very
Speaker 2: beautiful digital event for your community because you do charity
Speaker 2: auctions charity concerts. And they loved it, but I told them, well,
Speaker 2: you need a celebrity to endure because you know it's
Speaker 2: not Guy and Roman on stage for a charity concert
Speaker 2: that will bring a lot of money, So you need
Speaker 2: to celebrity also to to bring this momentum. Long story short,
Speaker 2: I've done one event with November in France, which was successful,
Speaker 2: but I was tired, and then I wanted to study
Speaker 2: the power of collective meditation, the power of remote healing,
Speaker 2: because I felt when we've for every week for a month,
Speaker 2: I gathered from November with a number of people and
Speaker 2: we were doing this this mini meditation, collective meditation. I
Speaker 2: happened to meet a woman early twenty twenty three that
Speaker 2: healed her mom in a way that was totally insane
Speaker 2: to me, and that led to create Luminara because she
Speaker 2: was not a healer. This woman, she was a normal
Speaker 2: person like anyone, but her mom had broken her leg
Speaker 2: and that was terrible for her because she was raising
Speaker 2: her kids. And long story short, she decided to say
Speaker 2: to her mom, mom, I'm going to heal you. And
Speaker 2: she's not a healer at all. She was in fintech,
Speaker 2: so she was telling me this story, very a non
Speaker 2: woo woo person, and she said, well, I had to
Speaker 2: heal my mom fast. Because she was very practical. She
Speaker 2: wanted to help from her room and she she did
Speaker 2: this protocol. She had read a couple of books around
Speaker 2: the power of positive realization, so you know, when you
Speaker 2: atleast do that, you know to in their competition. And
Speaker 2: she went into her mother's room and she would fill
Speaker 2: the room with love, light, energy and just visualizing the
Speaker 2: leg of her mom had broken one of her legs,
Speaker 2: and she would visualize it in perfect condition. And what
Speaker 2: was supposed to take about six to eight months took
Speaker 2: about three to four. Like she literally made her mom
Speaker 2: a lot more able to start running again, walking again,
Speaker 2: and that was no short of a you know, bit
Speaker 2: of a miracle, really, but she went on. But for
Speaker 2: me to receive this, this very story at that moment
Speaker 2: in my life was an awakening. And I felt to myself,
Speaker 2: wait a second, what is that? What is what are
Speaker 2: these years about? And I'm a businessman, so not the
Speaker 2: type of guy you would think would create luminara. But
Speaker 2: I thought, come on, let's face it, there is really something.
Speaker 2: It is effective. How come the world doesn't know more
Speaker 2: about this? And I checked and I and I was
Speaker 2: blown away by what I found. Like Mayo Clinic. Everyone
Speaker 2: knows Mayo Clinic, well, they have energy healers, they have
Speaker 2: reiki masters coming in for integrative oncology. You can type
Speaker 2: it and you'll see acupuncturists, reiki And I thought, wait
Speaker 2: a second, Mayo Clinic is having reiki healers on their premises.
Speaker 2: That's insane and then I check, oh my god, they're
Speaker 2: not just Mayo. There are many more and so and
Speaker 2: then you look at the market you think, how does
Speaker 2: these healers get clients? Word of Mouse for eighty nine?
Speaker 2: All right, now it's great, but it doesn't scale. You know,
Speaker 2: you're you're lucky if you know someone who knows someone.
Speaker 2: And then okay, a couple of marketplaces, but they're they're
Speaker 2: not really working for anyone except that the one running
Speaker 2: the marketplace. You know, you pay one hundred to fifty
Speaker 2: dollars to get registered. It's all of the you know,
Speaker 2: volume game, and it's really for them having as many
Speaker 2: people as possible, and there is a churn rate and
Speaker 2: all of that. And I thought, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's something else. Trust is the pillar of everything, but
Speaker 2: especially in an unregulated market. So I thought, right, this
Speaker 2: is this is still woo woof in many ways, but
Speaker 2: it's working. It's effective, and Mayo Clinic and all these
Speaker 2: people and science as well. So I thought, wait a second,
Speaker 2: and I have this very deep you know, with this
Speaker 2: healer I met, I had this deep belief that this
Speaker 2: is effective. So that's when I started to think, well,
Speaker 2: there is a space of a talent agency something you
Speaker 2: find for actor, actresses, models and artists. Like our galleries,
Speaker 2: they're picking up great artists. And this is not about
Speaker 2: the number of diploma you have, right or even musicians
Speaker 2: for a band. You know, no, you could have done
Speaker 2: the best musical schools, but you can have one kid
Speaker 2: who's just really gifted, and we're not going to just say, oh,
Speaker 2: go away, have your diploma before you come come to
Speaker 2: the band. So that's where I thought there is space
Speaker 2: for a really great way to give accessibility. So that's
Speaker 2: why I created Luminara Accessibility.
Speaker 1: Let me just let me just okay, let me just
Speaker 1: pause you right there. First of all, I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing the story about your child. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for your loss. Yeah, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: that prior to that Roman, what were you doing, What
Speaker 1: were you doing.
Speaker 2: For work?
Speaker 1: What was You're an entrepreneur at that time?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been consulting for sixteen years. I was working
Speaker 2: for a a spin off of Bain Bain, which is
Speaker 2: a pretty big consulting firm. I worked, yeah, sixteen years,
Speaker 2: and then I worked in the startup world tech tech
Speaker 2: startup for about four years before creating my own app
Speaker 2: called Hilo, this crazy app between Headspace and What's Up,
Speaker 2: and then Luminara two years after. So yeah, so I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a seasoned entrepreneur, not the type of guy that
Speaker 2: you would think would go into that field. Yeah, very
Speaker 2: you did, very very Yeah, just a businessman entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: In in the wake of your daughter's passing, you talked
Speaker 1: about the power of presence. Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: Was that something that you were practicing prior to that,
Speaker 1: something you were aware of.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, guy, when when you you have no
Speaker 2: I had a busy life. I had a busy life, successful,
Speaker 2: busy life of of a managing director of his consulting firm.
Speaker 2: And when a doctor is telling you, after having a
Speaker 2: very first sound kid that your second child has a
Speaker 2: problem fourth months of pregnancy, you know, doctors, there's something
Speaker 2: wrong and it may be a gene, a gene that's
Speaker 2: broken in your DNA and in your wife's DNA. By
Speaker 2: the way, it's the same gene broken for a different reason.
Speaker 2: So the chances of us my wife is British Indian,
Speaker 2: I'm French, the chances of us having this is me
Speaker 2: tossing a coin in New York. Guy and asking you
Speaker 2: to find it that statistically, to all the you know,
Speaker 2: the people, the therapist who knows quite well about DNA
Speaker 2: and genetics, this is really a very unlikely chance. And
Speaker 2: silence is massive and very disturbing because what are you
Speaker 2: going to say to people and what are they going
Speaker 2: to tell you? So my experience was of a very yes,
Speaker 2: very heavy silence. So at first I was confused. I
Speaker 2: was sad. I didn't know what was happening to us.
Speaker 2: When something so odd and so statistically irrelevant is happening
Speaker 2: in your life, you think what have I done? Like
Speaker 2: what's wrong? And the unfolding of that were the funeral really,
Speaker 2: because we gave everything we can to have this baby boy,
Speaker 2: to give him a chance, and I remember we even
Speaker 2: bought an apartment next to our apartment because we knew
Speaker 2: he may need twenty four to seven care for his
Speaker 2: lungs because they were not We knew it it would
Speaker 2: have a hard time breathing. And so I was blown
Speaker 2: away when when the funeral happened and I was this
Speaker 2: beautiful moment of silence with actually love, like just pure love, energy,
Speaker 2: positive energy. I didn't there is a song of Rhenna.
Speaker 2: I found love in a hopeless place, you know, well
Speaker 2: I found I found beauty in a very hopeless place,
Speaker 2: and I found love really also in a way. So
Speaker 2: and I thought to myself, that's weird. Like we've all
Speaker 2: done a minute of silence because of a terrorist attack, right,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, But how come we don't do minutes
Speaker 2: of silence just out of joy, out of love, out
Speaker 2: of just just being just being together. And religions obviously
Speaker 2: they're doing this, right, you do silence prayers and many
Speaker 2: things like that. But truth is, you don't have to
Speaker 2: be necessarily part of a religion to have this moment
Speaker 2: of silence and to share these meanings of silence. And
Speaker 2: that's where that was my big discovery, Like why don't
Speaker 2: we make a communion in a non religious way more often?
Speaker 2: Because this power of silence is massive, right, and the
Speaker 2: pure presence with silence is so beautiful. There's so much
Speaker 2: you get because worse and we're saying a lot of
Speaker 2: words right now, they can really be unnecessary because they're
Speaker 2: just you know, they break the silence. Actually, there's so
Speaker 2: much beauty and power in silence itself.
Speaker 1: So Luminara is born in the wake of that, in
Speaker 1: the wake of the meeting with this woman who in
Speaker 1: a way miraculously helped her mother heal or inspire that
Speaker 1: healing people come to Luminara. Who comes to Luminara? How
Speaker 1: does it work?
Speaker 2: So you go to Luminara dot care and you fill
Speaker 2: up a questionnaire. We want to know a bit what
Speaker 2: is your intention? What are looking to heal to get better?
Speaker 2: And once you fill out this questionnaire, I may have
Speaker 2: another questionnaire asked to you. Because we're partnering with the
Speaker 2: Florida State University right now, so there is a lab
Speaker 2: called a Complimentary Health Innovation Lab and we're proud of
Speaker 2: being helping science move forward thanks to that. So people
Speaker 2: can enroll onto this and once they've done that and
Speaker 2: they don't have to do the survey for the FSU.
Speaker 2: By the way, I one they've done that, we will
Speaker 2: do AI matching. So we use the power of AI.
Speaker 2: We anonymize data and they get a recommendation of three healers.
Speaker 2: Out of all the healers that we have, and we
Speaker 2: have quite a few, we match them with three. Three
Speaker 2: is a good number, you know, not overwhelming. I really
Speaker 2: want people to swipe, you know. Healers, like doctors, are
Speaker 2: not to be commoditized. You know, it's not like no, right,
Speaker 2: it's like you have three, it's a good number. And
Speaker 2: then we have created video content, so we actually we
Speaker 2: have videographers each time we on board a new healer
Speaker 2: that would film them in a kind of masterclass kind
Speaker 2: of way, very elegant, very beautiful video, well produced. And
Speaker 2: that's when you, as a client can make your final
Speaker 2: decision on saying I want to work with that healer,
Speaker 2: that person, that practitioner. Then you can book online, you
Speaker 2: pay online, and you have your session online. So everything
Speaker 2: works beautifully for you to have an end to an experience.
Speaker 1: So the people coming are they coming to you for
Speaker 1: psychological reasons? Physical reasons? I broke my leg? Are they
Speaker 1: coming to you or is it more anxiety, stress, grief?
Speaker 2: I think they Well, we have some stats about that
Speaker 2: because we had thousands and thousands of people going on
Speaker 2: to asking for help. I would say the the typical
Speaker 2: client would be a woman. We have more women than men,
Speaker 2: probably eighty percent women, twenty percent men. She is forty
Speaker 2: years old and plus like she's between forty and sixty,
Speaker 2: and she's American, our Canadian for most of them. This
Speaker 2: is this is where we we're focusing our attention right now,
Speaker 2: and these women they would look for. There are many reasons,
Speaker 2: but I would say anxiety depression is one. Yes, they
Speaker 2: feel for many reasons. Maybe this is because they lost someone,
Speaker 2: maybe because it's just I feel the burnout is not
Speaker 2: very far away. They want to prevent that to happen
Speaker 2: from happening. It can be also because simply of their
Speaker 2: relationships with their husband or their kids, or so there
Speaker 2: are many reasons for anxiety and depression. Obviously, we do
Speaker 2: have a number of people with chronic pain and energy
Speaker 2: healing is actually really effective. It's it's just mind blowing
Speaker 2: how effective it can be for chronic pain. And that's
Speaker 2: why also Mayo Clinic has energy healers and the primitives
Speaker 2: for oncology because all the cure for cancer can be
Speaker 2: very painful. And so we have chronic pain and anxiety depression,
Speaker 2: and some people, frankly also they are on their spiritual journey.
Speaker 2: So we have a part of our clientele which is
Speaker 2: more about getting more intuition, getting you know, you know
Speaker 2: something's something on a higher level, I would say about
Speaker 2: just finding who they are and just being being more balanced,
Speaker 2: happier in life. In general, you know, helping them on
Speaker 2: their spiritual journey is also part of what we do.
Speaker 1: And they use the term healers. These are people who
Speaker 1: are specializing in energy healing solely. Are they therapy therap
Speaker 1: psychologic psychotherapists or not.
Speaker 2: So they're not having a psychotherapy diploma. We have quite
Speaker 2: a few nurses that are working in hospitals and they're
Speaker 2: they're actually a full fledged nursed nurse. We do have
Speaker 2: some people who have graduated from different schools in the
Speaker 2: United States especially, But the truth is that some healers
Speaker 2: are practitioners. They're gifted, like some some of them, they're
Speaker 2: just extremely gifted and they don't really know how they
Speaker 2: got their gift. And our role as a platform is
Speaker 2: also to pick up these people. And that's actually one
Speaker 2: one thing interesting here is that these people without us
Speaker 2: would be hard to find, Like you would never know
Speaker 2: about them. They're too shy or too modest to go
Speaker 2: online and advertise themselves and just play the marketing game
Speaker 2: of hey that now they are genuinely good people and
Speaker 2: they would they have a hard time with money even
Speaker 2: like they would do this out of love, out of
Speaker 2: And the point is, well, we want as a collective,
Speaker 2: we'd like them to do more of that rather than
Speaker 2: doing a job in a supermarket. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a bit sasserted, but that's the reality. Right. When you
Speaker 2: think about someone who would have a gift of playing
Speaker 2: the violin but came make a living out of it, well,
Speaker 2: you'd rather having doing concerts than you know, being an
Speaker 2: accountant or whatever doing some kind of job that's not
Speaker 2: fitted for him or her. So that's kind of what
Speaker 2: we do. We will look for these amazing people that
Speaker 2: are diamonds in the rough, and our role is to
Speaker 2: cut this diamond and to let it shine so.
Speaker 1: They could These gifts could include energy healing.
Speaker 2: Mostly we do that. We focus on energy healing modalities,
Speaker 2: So we're not going to buy people doing hypnotherapy hypnotherapists.
Speaker 2: It works wonderfully remotely, but we're not into that. Some
Speaker 2: of our healers may also do that, but we want
Speaker 2: to you know what, guy, the problem is if you
Speaker 2: do too many things, if you say I can offer
Speaker 2: this and that, people are like come on, and you're
Speaker 2: like a bizarre like you know, it's not professional. So
Speaker 2: we're actually purposely making sure that we're focusing on different
Speaker 2: modalities but they all are about energy healing.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask about that. But before I do,
Speaker 1: before all this happened, would you have thought that you'd
Speaker 1: be sitting here you're talking about this never ever, no,
Speaker 1: what happened?
Speaker 2: I well, I can try to give you a very
Speaker 2: rational reason for all of that and telling you, well,
Speaker 2: and I meet this person, this person. But now if
Speaker 2: I look back, because in many ways this is so crazy,
Speaker 2: because you're not I'm not the guy who even me
Speaker 2: thought I would do what I'm doing right now, and
Speaker 2: I'm doing it pretty well, and I'm doing it with
Speaker 2: other people were collective. Now I'm doing this really right.
Speaker 2: My belief is that the soul this little boy Raphael,
Speaker 2: who passed away so quickly, where this very rare disease
Speaker 2: and actually came for a reason. Like maybe it's me.
Speaker 2: It's my brain, you know, trying to make sense of
Speaker 2: all of that. This is possible, right, and there is
Speaker 2: a part of me that may think this way. But
Speaker 2: deep deep, deep inside, with all the synchrony CDs that
Speaker 2: I've seen following up this moment, I truly think that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was on the path of a very classic corporate life,
Speaker 2: successful one, but that was not what I was meant
Speaker 2: to actually do with the rest of my life, and
Speaker 2: that baby boy just crashed onto my quite serious corporate
Speaker 2: path to make it, you know, slowly drift away into
Speaker 2: a world of healing, a world of joy, a world
Speaker 2: of gratitude, the world of you know, you're a therapist yourself,
Speaker 2: it's one of the most beautiful job in the whole
Speaker 2: world to heal someone. To help someone heal is just
Speaker 2: so gratifying. And so I'm not a healer myself, but
Speaker 2: I'm blessed to help having people getting healed faster, stronger.
Speaker 2: And I'm not against Western medicine at all. I'm just
Speaker 2: bridging by the way very ancient practices that you find
Speaker 2: in TCM, traditional Chinese medicine or are Euvedic medicine. You know,
Speaker 2: all these meridians, these chakra, these has existed for thousands
Speaker 2: of years, just happened. That energy chi as they say,
Speaker 2: you know, tai chi chigong is something we you know,
Speaker 2: we haven't really incorporated in Western medicine, and we kind
Speaker 2: of push this away because we don't know how to
Speaker 2: explain this. But it's it's knocking at the door and
Speaker 2: it's now entering Anyway, that's my story.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you explain to our listeners
Speaker 1: how do you help them understand how and energy healing
Speaker 1: can happen virtually?
Speaker 2: Great question. So first of all, I want to say
Speaker 2: to all the listeners that what I'm going to say
Speaker 2: here is just my thinking, and of course it's going
Speaker 2: to be built on what the science has to say
Speaker 2: right now. But no one right now can say for
Speaker 2: sure I know how it works. Like anyone who would
Speaker 2: say this is a liar. It is still unknown. Now
Speaker 2: we could have some hypothesis and so what seems to
Speaker 2: be true and again look at traditional Chinese medicine and
Speaker 2: iuovetic medicine, but this is not proven. This is just
Speaker 2: thousands of years of practice that is effective. Well, we
Speaker 2: have an energetic body. I think this is the premises
Speaker 2: of what people have to understand. So there is a
Speaker 2: physical body, but there is a body another body which
Speaker 2: is for lack of a better word, energetic. So like
Speaker 2: wave and adds the quantum, you know level. We know
Speaker 2: we're frequencies, like our atoms are moving so fast it's
Speaker 2: like it's like a frequency. So there is this we're
Speaker 2: emitting and we know heart is emitting electromatic. There is
Speaker 2: an electromagic field that has been proven, and we have
Speaker 2: neurons and all of this is but there is this field. Now,
Speaker 2: if you think about we having a field, the healer
Speaker 2: has a field, and there is something in between, right
Speaker 2: cold distance miles kilometers. Now, if you think of radio waves,
Speaker 2: you know you could capture the wave of radio station
Speaker 2: from very far away. Well, in that same way, a
Speaker 2: healer thousands of kilometers away from your body can access
Speaker 2: to your energetic body because your energic body is wave.
Speaker 2: And that's the power of a healer to know how
Speaker 2: to access to that. And what a healer will tell
Speaker 2: you is that they don't heal you. They actually channel
Speaker 2: a life force, a universal force, like the force that
Speaker 2: created the Big Bang. You know, there was nothing and
Speaker 2: then something exploded. What is this explosion? You know you
Speaker 2: we know there was an explosion. So this life force,
Speaker 2: this movement, it's very fundamental stuff that we don't steal grass. Right,
Speaker 2: Why did this explosi I'm not sure these scientists can
Speaker 2: know that. But there is force and the universe is expending, right,
Speaker 2: so anyway, and they channel this force and so all
Speaker 2: of this is very can sound woo woo. But now
Speaker 2: science is proving that there is something happening. Now, can
Speaker 2: we explain? No? Not for sure, we guess things, but
Speaker 2: it seems like something is happening and they are interesting
Speaker 2: ways now that we could potentially measure that. Do you
Speaker 2: want me to tell you more about this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think, you know, people listening to
Speaker 1: this get it in a sense. I think there are
Speaker 1: some people who might say, how are they gonna how
Speaker 1: is this gonna work? Virtually? But I think what you're
Speaker 1: saying makes a lot of sense. I mean, I completely
Speaker 1: concur I you know.
Speaker 2: It's that's my awakening, you know, it's it's really about
Speaker 2: I'm a very you know, structure of mind now. But
Speaker 2: really I never thought that I would be, you know,
Speaker 2: telling you what I'm telling you now. But but the
Speaker 2: fact is that at some point, like how many people do
Speaker 2: understand how their computer is working right and they're still
Speaker 2: using it? How many people understand how their car is working?
Speaker 2: So let's be honest, there are so many things we
Speaker 2: do accept as it's going to work. I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: my key, I'm going to turn turn it on, and
Speaker 2: and so what I'm trying to say here is that
Speaker 2: try it, like, be open to it. Don't just push
Speaker 2: away something that seems woo woo, seems weird, it seems impossible,
Speaker 2: because well it is possible. And and and science actually
Speaker 2: showing that this is more than the plastic boy effect.
Speaker 2: You know, you may think, ah, do I know that?
Speaker 2: Well actually no, and placible by the way, it's amazing
Speaker 2: by itself. So mind body relationship is already like science
Speaker 2: is proving more and more. I was talking with the
Speaker 2: gentleman who build curable you may you may know this
Speaker 2: app and and yes, science actually is now catching up.
Speaker 2: But people the you know, as often the science is there,
Speaker 2: but it hasn't yet penetrated into the common sense of people,
Speaker 2: like they really you know that you don't try to
Speaker 2: fully And this quantum physics as well, like people know
Speaker 2: about quantum, but really what does it mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: going fast right now, So I understand it may be
Speaker 2: sounding woo woo, but it's it's it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: It's working.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't I mean to me, it doesn't sound wooo.
Speaker 1: I mean I love what you're doing, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: and the way you're doing it is and working with
Speaker 1: these people who, as you said, might otherwise not have
Speaker 1: the exposure or not have the opportunity to help other people.
Speaker 1: I think that's very powerful. All right, So let's wind
Speaker 1: down here as we do. How do people learn more
Speaker 1: about Luminara? How do people learn more about you? What's
Speaker 1: the best way?
Speaker 2: You go to Luminara dot care and you click on
Speaker 2: find a Healer and you can see it for yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have all that linked up here at the
Speaker 1: show notes page at the Trauma Therapist Podcast dot com
Speaker 1: dot com Romance. Appreciate you coming on here sharing your story,
Speaker 1: touching and powerful. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, my friend will be in touch you. Take care.