Speaker 1: Welcome to Jeff Jeff's bizarre adventure Berserk Gaiden final episode.
Speaker 2: We made it, We finally made it.
Speaker 1: We're here and we have done it with our intrepid
Speaker 1: band of the Hawk. To my left, uh, Commander Lucy James.
Speaker 3: Yay, oh god, I.
Speaker 1: Just life everywhere. Maybe to my right, co commander, it's
Speaker 1: two more.
Speaker 4: Hello, Everything is fine, nothing bad can happen.
Speaker 1: With us, as always, Squire Jeff Backler, Hi, stay boy,
Speaker 1: Jeff back Well.
Speaker 2: That happened.
Speaker 3: That's why the way you could have said that, like
Speaker 3: right at the.
Speaker 1: End of the episode, looks into the camera and he goes.
Speaker 2: Well, that happened. He looks into the camera and then
Speaker 2: it just goes boom boom boom bomb.
Speaker 3: No, he looks into the camera and the music stuffs.
Speaker 3: He goes, well, I guess you're wondering how I ended
Speaker 3: up in this situation.
Speaker 4: He's like, mondays, am I right, Yeah, I love lasagna.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Something else it is we're flirting with Cannon
Speaker 2: and lore that anyway anyway, Garfield Golfield serious, No, no one,
Speaker 2: no one does anything with Garfield.
Speaker 1: Always do And I guess played with the idea of
Speaker 1: making a video called I read all fourteen thousand Garfield comics, but.
Speaker 3: Then you realize you have to read all fourteen thousand.
Speaker 1: I would, and like three thousands took like four days.
Speaker 2: You should you should do?
Speaker 4: I read all fourteen thousand Garfield comics and all fourteen
Speaker 4: thousand and one Piece comics. Is which one's better?
Speaker 1: I feel like the film Nail is like Garfield's like
Speaker 1: having just defeated Loofy.
Speaker 2: I think that could be pretty fair. Year's funny. I
Speaker 2: got I got a question. How do we talk about
Speaker 2: the final three episodes after seeing the last ten minutes?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, how do you even
Speaker 2: get there?
Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, I actually have a question for you that
Speaker 1: has kind of been i'm gonna say, haunting me for
Speaker 1: the last three weeks.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I want to hear that. Obviously, I
Speaker 2: too have been haunted.
Speaker 3: Okay, when did you watch the episode?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 3: Can you give us the timeline of when? How long
Speaker 3: you've been this morning? Okay? And these thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I've been dreading it too. I've been dreading
Speaker 2: it for numerous reasons. Okay, take us through them. The
Speaker 2: first reason is because I've been unable to avoid knowing
Speaker 2: just by virtue of existing and living my life that
Speaker 2: something's coming okay, and it didn't happen. In the last
Speaker 2: podcast episode where we covered episodes twenty one in twenty two,
Speaker 2: and I just through osmosis, have been able to absorb
Speaker 2: the fact that, like I, you know, I'm not ready
Speaker 2: for this thing. Lucy goes, hey, don't let Stacy watch
Speaker 2: this with you. I go, okay, now I'm trembling. Now
Speaker 2: I'm trembling over this news.
Speaker 3: Sorry for doing you, and sorry for doing your marriage
Speaker 3: of favor.
Speaker 2: Jeff she I think she would have been okay, but
Speaker 2: but thank you for your compassion and foresight. Tam bought
Speaker 2: me a T shirt many many months ago that was
Speaker 2: just like skull fuckery. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: It was completely it was pretty metal, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is kind of this is kind of dope. There
Speaker 2: was like a dude on there who looked like a
Speaker 2: Mars Attacks alien and I'm like, I'm like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck I'm And in my back of my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I the second you gave me this shirt, in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way this isn't like exactly how
Speaker 2: brazerk ends I'm like, there's just so in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, like the whole world turns
Speaker 2: inside out and you know, Griffith becomes this exposed brain
Speaker 2: person and all of it, and I'm like genuinely kind
Speaker 2: of terrified because I'm just like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to like see this transformation. I don't want to like
Speaker 2: see this happen because presumably I'm looking at like the
Speaker 2: finale here, and what I know now, especially when I
Speaker 2: got the shirt, was like, ah, things are kinda they're gruesome,
Speaker 2: but they're just sort of just sort of like Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones gruesome, you know. And I'm just like, you
Speaker 2: got nothing really to worry about. And then to see
Speaker 2: that like nobody you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna like
Speaker 2: traverse dimensions and time and space, that was very scary
Speaker 2: to me, And up until this morning in the pit
Speaker 2: of my stomach, I've been, uh, I've been scared. I've
Speaker 2: been a little like a you know, is the last
Speaker 2: thing I thought about last night before I went to bed.
Speaker 2: It's like, Fuck, you're gonna have to wake up and
Speaker 2: watch these last three episodes of Berserk. Who knows what
Speaker 2: kind of traumatic shit, I'm gonna see and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta say, did not disappoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay. So what I remember I have been
Speaker 1: haunted by your words last episode where you were like,
Speaker 1: and you know what, Stacy's really enjoying USERK as well,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: It would have been very weird. Also, schedules didn't work out.
Speaker 2: She couldn't she couldn't be around okay this morning for it.
Speaker 1: But like Jeff, I met Stacy and I thought she
Speaker 1: was a terrific woman. I really really liked her, and
Speaker 1: I thought that we really got on. And I had
Speaker 1: this horrible vision of you and Stacy watching that last
Speaker 1: ten minutes and then the credits hit and Stacy just
Speaker 1: turns to you and goes and John recommended.
Speaker 2: This this is what your friend John wants us watching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because so.
Speaker 1: If you'll notice, Jeff, we kind of spent a couple
Speaker 1: of years building you up to this, and this is
Speaker 1: not a scenario I would hurl anyone into.
Speaker 2: This Absolutely felt like, yeah, I will say this like
Speaker 2: it felt like this. It felt like I was left
Speaker 2: to my own devices in the deep end, right, It
Speaker 2: felt like this entire series that we've done here was
Speaker 2: all a sort of training montage for me to arrive
Speaker 2: at this point where I'm left to be exposed to
Speaker 2: what this show has to say, I guess and display
Speaker 2: in such a really, really deeply fucked up way.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it is one of the most upsetting things in
Speaker 1: media that I have ever ever watched. And like, it's
Speaker 1: weird because I was kind of I saw screening a
Speaker 1: Perfect Blue last Friday, and I love that film. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great film, And it's weird because it
Speaker 1: is just a harrowing, awful, like horrifying movie. But it's like,
Speaker 1: there's things that are more explicit than Perfect Blue, but
Speaker 1: there's very little that is a more like emotionally upsetting
Speaker 1: than Perfect Blue. Berserk's kind of both, like you are
Speaker 1: deeply invested in these characters and you love them and
Speaker 1: you care about them and you want them to be okay,
Speaker 1: but you also the imagery you're seeing is still some
Speaker 1: of the most fucked up imagery I have ever seen.
Speaker 1: Like it's just a nightmare.
Speaker 2: So the one thing I want to say that is
Speaker 2: on the top of my mind right now is like
Speaker 2: I understand how deeply loved this thing is. I do
Speaker 2: find it a bit odd that the way at least
Speaker 2: this nineteen ninety seven anime series chooses to conclude and
Speaker 2: the sort of like deepest, darkest depictions of what it depicts,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, is sort of like how they choose
Speaker 2: to roll the final scenes. It is. It just sits
Speaker 2: a little bit strange with me with how wide spreadly
Speaker 2: sort of like celebrated this thing is so even though
Speaker 2: it is so gruesome and fucked up. Now contrast to
Speaker 2: like the celebration of like a campy horror movie right
Speaker 2: where you know, something like an Evil Dead, which is
Speaker 2: like super gory, and but it's it has this self
Speaker 2: awareness of this like sort of like campiness to it,
Speaker 2: right where it's like, oh, we're having fun here, and berserk,
Speaker 2: we are not having fun here. There's no fun. Yet
Speaker 2: we are all like buying tickets to like the Gore Parade,
Speaker 2: and we're just sort of like, hooray, we all love
Speaker 2: this thing. And there's something in my mind that I
Speaker 2: can't kind of like jump over. I can't sort of
Speaker 2: like you know, vault over the fact of like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, what is wrong with everybody?
Speaker 1: The first the first time I experienced the eclipse.
Speaker 2: Was Jesus Christ is that what it's called. It's called
Speaker 2: the Eclipse. No, I know, it's just like it's it's
Speaker 2: just funny, okay, people experiencing the eclipse trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked about a plenty in these in the
Speaker 1: in this podcast, But like I am. I went to
Speaker 1: a double feature and saw the first two Berserk movies,
Speaker 1: which is which takes you right up until Guts leaves
Speaker 1: the Band of the Hawk, and then like the new
Speaker 1: movie wasn't out yet, and I did that. That was
Speaker 1: all I knew of Berserk, and I went around telling
Speaker 1: everyone like Berserk fucking rules. Everyone needs to check this out.
Speaker 1: It's so good. And then eventually the third movie came out.
Speaker 1: I downloaded it. I waited till I was lone one night,
Speaker 1: poured myself with glass whiskey and was like time to
Speaker 1: reunite with my friends in the Band of Hawk. And
Speaker 1: I was like horrified and like yeah, disappointed, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, well, they fucking ruined the whole series, Like
Speaker 1: the Band of the Hawk are all dead, griffit's a
Speaker 1: bad guy, like Guts as fucked. Cask is like just destroyed,
Speaker 1: and like I spent a couple of days being like
Speaker 1: kind of mad, about it, like the direction of the story.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not the Berserk that I love,
Speaker 1: you know, And again, yeah, this was the this was
Speaker 1: the films, And in the film you don't have that prelude,
Speaker 1: you don't have the bit where you see guts in
Speaker 1: the future, and no one ever gave me a God
Speaker 1: hands tea, Jeff, So I had no idea this shit
Speaker 1: was coming, and I was like bothered, Like I was
Speaker 1: for a while, I thought less of Berserk because this
Speaker 1: thing happened. And a part of that was just I
Speaker 1: hated seeing the characters that I'd grown so fond of
Speaker 1: go through this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. It sounds like you felt like
Speaker 2: it didn't earn that, right, Like it didn't earn to
Speaker 2: end the way it did for you, or at least
Speaker 2: that like part of it, because.
Speaker 1: I think I just didn't see why we were doing this,
Speaker 1: and it just felt like abjectly cruel.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, It's weird how it does sort of like
Speaker 2: bookend with this like demonry, right like it do you know,
Speaker 2: like you spent a lot of the meat of this
Speaker 2: sandwich just not thinking or worrying about you know, monsters, monsters.
Speaker 3: Whereas that today I read the manga fas so for me,
Speaker 3: it was like it introduces monsters and then they go
Speaker 3: away for a long time when you go yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: back in time, and so for me, I was just like, wait,
Speaker 3: that was a really weird opening and that's not really
Speaker 3: now it's about political and machinations in this war, and
Speaker 3: then oh, wait Zod is here or whatever, and then yeah,
Speaker 3: I think in the manga the way you read it,
Speaker 3: it's a lot The manga feels a lot crueler in
Speaker 3: terms of the world that you are in and the
Speaker 3: things that the characters come up against. It feels a
Speaker 3: lot crueler. And obviously the anime has to leave a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff out, covers a lot of it. But like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's you know, there's that character we
Speaker 3: talked about last time.
Speaker 1: The Folk depart Chef. Like you were experiencing the light
Speaker 1: version of the eclipse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very light. Yeah. I mean, my mind can wander.
Speaker 2: I think I can square where we go here. But like,
Speaker 2: is this so this isn't all of Berzerk, right, Let's.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get to that at the end. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that at the end.
Speaker 2: Because I'm okay if you tell me exactly everything else
Speaker 2: that happens. Okay, well maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe not where the movies end, because.
Speaker 1: The movie ends exactly where the anime ends. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe like them basically there maybe maybe maybe there's like
Speaker 1: ten minutes extra in there with Skull Night, Lucy, Oh
Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So the there's two movies three okay, we' I.
Speaker 1: Would say there's some there's some Jankee three D in
Speaker 1: those movies, but there's a lot of good ship as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, and they cover.
Speaker 1: Pretty much exactly what we just watched in terms of
Speaker 1: the season of the anime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh boy, I we'll get We'll get that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Just might like there were okay, look,
Speaker 1: truth be told, there was an element for me where
Speaker 1: it was like, t he it'll be fun to uh
Speaker 1: for for Jeff to experience all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: And that lasted precisely up until Stacey became involved, and
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no, huh yeah.
Speaker 1: And I actually I was gonna message you, Jeff and
Speaker 1: be like he listen just about Stacey, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: you did, Lucy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, like I still want to show it to
Speaker 2: her though, because I just I just wanted to. I
Speaker 2: want her to see it. I want to be like,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is the art that's out there.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Like I want her to be
Speaker 2: exposed to it, you know, yeah, yeah, your immediate life
Speaker 2: to share the horror of it with. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 2: need to almost Like you're right, dam I have to
Speaker 2: like offload and outsource some of the PTSD here, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even I've ever watched Berserk through at Michelle,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to.
Speaker 2: Hmm, she was bought in at the end of that
Speaker 2: episode twenty one, I'll tell you. I mean, it's fantastic
Speaker 2: story like it was good. Yeah, yeah, little did she know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, speaking of being bought in, it's the beginning
Speaker 1: of episode twenty three, and nothing relatively bad has happened yet,
Speaker 1: at least in context to what's going to happen. We
Speaker 1: are the band of Hawk are staging a daring escape
Speaker 1: with Griffith, and I don't think it's really set in
Speaker 1: for any of them how bad a shape Griffith is
Speaker 1: in yet. And I love this episode. I think this
Speaker 1: is such a there's so much to this episode, and
Speaker 1: it's so tragic and sad, especially as you really, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of the lower rank members of
Speaker 1: the Band of Hawk go from realizing Griffith's back and
Speaker 1: everything's going to be amazing to Griffith's never coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least not the way they knew him. How'd you
Speaker 1: guys feel about this episode?
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good because I think it
Speaker 2: sets in place like this immovable plot porm. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I.
Speaker 3: Think for me it was more just like how are
Speaker 3: you going to fit all of it in? Genuinely, last
Speaker 3: night when I booted up my Sony PlayStation five, put
Speaker 3: the disk in, even just like lingering on the menu music,
Speaker 3: I was just kind of sat with a little bit
Speaker 3: of a dread and I had a glass of wine
Speaker 3: and I was just sat there and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh God, like forcing myself to press play a bit.
Speaker 3: So for this episode, yeah, it was more that feeling
Speaker 3: of impending doom and every I think for me, as
Speaker 3: someone who knew what was going to happen, it just
Speaker 3: makes you like really focus in on those moments between
Speaker 3: all the characters, especially as they're talking about what their
Speaker 3: future could have been, what their future is going to
Speaker 3: be now, and you as the viewer, and certainly them
Speaker 3: as the characters, have absolutely no idea what the hell
Speaker 3: is coming. And it's just like watching a car crash
Speaker 3: in slow motion.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, it's just bad to worse in it,
Speaker 4: like you know that it's going to get worse and worse,
Speaker 4: like this is, it doesn't end. I think the interesting
Speaker 4: thing about it is if you have any sort of
Speaker 4: media literacy, you start to in your brain reconcile the
Speaker 4: fact that traditional story structures, given where you are in
Speaker 4: the series, should dictate that things start getting better. But
Speaker 4: I feel like as you get closer and closerly and
Speaker 4: nothing gets better. And that's where that kind of sense
Speaker 4: of dread that Jeff talked about came from comes from.
Speaker 4: For a lot of people that experienced it for the
Speaker 4: first time, it's a not understand It breaks the rules
Speaker 4: of narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I remember when I was saying like where
Speaker 1: I had no context as to where this was going.
Speaker 1: I was watching this part of the story and being
Speaker 1: like okay, But then so like I think, how does Griffith,
Speaker 1: How's Griffith going to recover? How's our how's our boy
Speaker 1: gonna rally.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's the same with the manga as well,
Speaker 4: where it's like you reach, you know, you're reaching towards
Speaker 4: the end of an arc and there's nothing uplifting happening
Speaker 4: that will kind of propel you into And I think
Speaker 4: for a lot of people this is their first experience
Speaker 4: or back in the day was the first experience of
Speaker 4: breaking the boundaries of what manga and anime traditionally are
Speaker 4: because everyone kind of has the same on ramp where
Speaker 4: it's a bunch of fun, cutesy ideas and concepts, and
Speaker 4: then eventually, just through gravitational pull, everyone makes their way
Speaker 4: to berserk and this is how it This is the
Speaker 4: first time I think that it kind of creates the
Speaker 4: idea that anime can be much much more than what
Speaker 4: we're used to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. It's it's it's sort of like the
Speaker 2: end is just like a black hole and you just
Speaker 2: realize like, oh, like you're just circling the drain, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's the end. The end is the event horizon.
Speaker 2: That's it for enough go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, for a lot of
Speaker 4: people in the West, this is something I've been thinking
Speaker 4: about for a while. But like people who don't watch
Speaker 4: animeo or read manga, I feel like this feeling that
Speaker 4: you're feeling, Jeff, and the feeling that we probably felt
Speaker 4: the first time we do it, it's what they experience
Speaker 4: when they watch Game of Thrones, you know, that kind
Speaker 4: of feeling nothing, something is not quite right in every scene.
Speaker 4: And I think that if so, if anyone is listening
Speaker 4: that doesn't have that frame of reference and you have
Speaker 4: seen it, that is what it feels like where this
Speaker 4: is effectively the Red Weddings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think, oh, sorry, John, there you go ahead, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I do think the quote unquote just really maybe watered
Speaker 2: down a little bit, like bad endings, right, Like, I
Speaker 2: do think like that has become much more of an
Speaker 2: acceptable kind of like variable in storytelling in the last
Speaker 2: like maybe thirty forty years or so, where Like I've
Speaker 2: just seen a lot more examples of that that have
Speaker 2: deviated away from the traditional kind of like hey, here
Speaker 2: are the stakes here, how we overcome persevere? So I
Speaker 2: do think, you know, I know this anime is at
Speaker 2: least the anime that we watch is thirty years old, right, so, like,
Speaker 2: certainly it was probably a lot of people's first exposure
Speaker 2: to like not gonna be all sunshine and roses at
Speaker 2: the end of this. But I do think, knowing what
Speaker 2: I know about contemporary storytelling and being in the exposure
Speaker 2: to like where things have quote unquote bad endings, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it prepares you in a certain way for
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, and you have to, you know,
Speaker 2: prepare yourself right mentally. But yeah, we're gonna stay John.
Speaker 1: I guess when I watch like this in particular, there's
Speaker 1: a kind of feeling that, like you know, in so
Speaker 1: many stories, there is the there's the message that like
Speaker 1: the universe is good and that ultimately superior morality will
Speaker 1: win out and everything will be okay. And that's always
Speaker 1: like a safety net in stories. In a way, it's
Speaker 1: like that's always like a kind of feeling that it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: things are only going to get so bad. And then
Speaker 1: you watch something like Berserk and especially like you know,
Speaker 1: it's coming out like in the nineties, and that safety
Speaker 1: net isn't there. Things can get as bad as they
Speaker 1: can possibly get, and you watch that happen here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the fact that it's such an otherworldly
Speaker 3: way for things to go bad there's always I think
Speaker 3: throughout the rest of it, when you're talking about Shooter
Speaker 3: and Midland, it still feels like the characters have an
Speaker 3: element of control because they have Griffith as their safety net.
Speaker 3: They have the ambitions of Kings and whatever is like
Speaker 3: that is something that they can and then obviously on
Speaker 3: the on the battlefield, that is something that they can control.
Speaker 3: Whereas the fact that this ending goes off the rails,
Speaker 3: and I mean that in the way where it's like
Speaker 3: they have no control on that that they these are
Speaker 3: like like these incredible beings. Like the size and the
Speaker 3: scale that's messed around with too, It's like you may.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so out.
Speaker 3: Of anyone's control, And I think that's that's ultimately what
Speaker 3: like as an adult, that's where anxiety stems from, right,
Speaker 3: and like as kids too, it's like you don't have
Speaker 3: control over a situation. I think that's why the Eclipse
Speaker 3: is so effective in building that sense of anxiety, because
Speaker 3: of how grand the scale is, but also just how
Speaker 3: no one can do anything about it, Like it's just relentless.
Speaker 1: The moment that Slam appears and she's like thee of
Speaker 1: a skyscraper, it's just like oh, this isn't like a battle. Look,
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't a fight. Oh that's the big
Speaker 1: the big lady, The big lady I liked, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought she was very better Jeff A couple.
Speaker 2: It's very just like I was like, cool.
Speaker 4: Cool wings, Stacy, get in here, you gotta see this.
Speaker 2: I was like, look at hey, I thought, is it
Speaker 2: the fact that she's like hundreds of feet tall? Yes,
Speaker 2: that too. I like the you know, look, I also
Speaker 2: like the screaming floors. We need more of that. We
Speaker 2: need more squall thandless screaming floors.
Speaker 1: Jesus, and like the faces in the sky. Awesome, guys,
Speaker 1: we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know we're jumping so but I
Speaker 2: mean that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll get to it. We'll get
Speaker 1: to it. There's a moment very early on in episode
Speaker 1: twenty three that I just find so sad, and it's
Speaker 1: when the enemy guard captain basically kidnaps Griffith and he's like,
Speaker 1: here's your savior, and you just get this pathetic pan
Speaker 1: up Griffith's body and it just leaves looks like no,
Speaker 1: exactly he's he's he's several pepperami stripe tied together, and
Speaker 1: it leaves no illusions that like he is never going
Speaker 1: to be the same, ever, ever, ever, Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: Again, it's there's a series of moments where you're like,
Speaker 4: how do they how do they get out of this
Speaker 4: pickle and make it happy again? And it's just this
Speaker 4: is the first one where you're like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 4: how they're going to do this, and the slow realization
Speaker 4: that maybe they won't starts to come in to creep
Speaker 4: into the mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the.
Speaker 4: Same thing that you What I love about it writing
Speaker 4: wise Buff and the Mango and here is it's a
Speaker 4: power to what most of the band of Hawk are
Speaker 4: feeling in that moment. Certainly Caucus in the in these
Speaker 4: final moments, the character that people the audience is likely
Speaker 4: relating to most is Caucus, which is a great redemption
Speaker 4: moment for him.
Speaker 3: A Caucus is just saying what we're all.
Speaker 1: Thinking, Yeah he is, and we get with That scene
Speaker 1: is followed by just a scene where everyone's just sitting
Speaker 1: around at sunlight and like it's just it's setting in,
Speaker 1: Like what Griffith now is is setting in and Carcus
Speaker 1: is like the last holdout. He's the last person to
Speaker 1: be able to come to terms with Like, no, this
Speaker 1: is fucked, and it's I felt bad for Caucus. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for Caucus.
Speaker 2: In the last in the last moments too, for sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so did you feel bad for Caucus? Which
Speaker 3: is maybe maybe you know that you know that person
Speaker 3: we talked about last episode with the Reddit account, Yeah
Speaker 3: you know. Can I see where they were coming from?
Speaker 3: Not in like the caucuses hot way, but like in a.
Speaker 2: Right understand why we should just dm that things don't
Speaker 2: end well for you? Boy?
Speaker 5: Okay, it was weird when that was his last line. Yeah,
Speaker 5: how's Caucus going to get out of this one?
Speaker 1: That was weird as well, wasn't it when you said
Speaker 1: that that's I can solve? But yeah, it's it just sucks.
Speaker 1: And man, the fucking the scenes here between Kaska and Guts.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, it's.
Speaker 1: So awful, Like you can kind of see that there's
Speaker 1: like a way out where they can both just leave
Speaker 1: and be happy together and it's what they want, but
Speaker 1: they can't fucking do it.
Speaker 2: Oh it kills me. It actually, it makes me so sad.
Speaker 1: I just want those kids be Okay.
Speaker 3: The found each other and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then I think the part I really
Speaker 1: love about this section story as well is the little
Speaker 1: bits where real Griffith is peeking through. Yes, like you
Speaker 1: hear him, like you hear you see him. Hear those
Speaker 1: two talk about like how they have to kind of
Speaker 1: stay here for him because he is now so pathetic
Speaker 1: and cannot take care of himselves. And the look in
Speaker 1: his eye is insane, like this is the most insulting
Speaker 1: thing possible to Griffith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the way that you know what is
Speaker 3: you know, I have to change his bandages and he
Speaker 3: falls on her, pushes it like I don't know energy,
Speaker 3: and it's just like God, even then, he's just so pathetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the way the way that happens, and
Speaker 1: like she like even just puts her arm around him,
Speaker 1: just being like it's okay. And it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is so bad. Every part of this just sucks. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really just sad. And like I I think that
Speaker 1: even in the anime version, they've really done the work
Speaker 1: to bring us here, Like you understand the tragedy from
Speaker 1: every person's perspective of this, and I think it's it's great.
Speaker 2: I really really think it's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the framing in particular, whenever you know, when God's
Speaker 3: and Cascar are kind of hugging and like talking closely
Speaker 3: outside and they're just the way that he's Griffith's eye
Speaker 3: is sort of framed looking through the tent, like the
Speaker 3: opening of the tent, and you can just like wordlessly
Speaker 3: understand it just how vehemently he hates God's Kaska himself
Speaker 3: in that moment, his situation, and then yeah, every.
Speaker 2: Sense we're like, yeah, I think that's just gonna be
Speaker 2: the name of this show episode. It's just U g H.
Speaker 2: You's going to be that.
Speaker 1: Griff It starts to have like visions of his younger self,
Speaker 1: but also like the nice he used to be, and
Speaker 1: the night's pretty much like, well, see you later, you're done,
Speaker 1: You're you're gone, and oh man, it it's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's that feeling of like I guess the
Speaker 1: you ever, it's the feeling of like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: going to be my future. I've got this plan, I'm
Speaker 1: really invested in this relationship or a job or property
Speaker 1: or just whatever, and you're like, this is what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. And then it doesn't work out and
Speaker 1: you have to let it go and it's so painful.
Speaker 1: That is this scene like to a t Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And then we get to me, like, what is one
Speaker 1: of the most devastating scenes of the entirety of Berserk
Speaker 1: Alternate reality?
Speaker 6: Caska and Griffith, Oh, yeah, trying to desperately not to
Speaker 6: say that, but yeah, it's the life that they could
Speaker 6: have if they just left it all behind.
Speaker 3: He even says it. He's like, it would have been a
Speaker 3: fine life.
Speaker 1: That's the fucking tragedy here. They both would have been happy.
Speaker 1: This would have been fine, Like, this would have been
Speaker 1: they could have made it work, and like you know,
Speaker 1: but then it's like there's like just these little pieces,
Speaker 1: like their son is called Guts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like the little vestiges of the life that
Speaker 3: they would never be able to let go of. And
Speaker 3: like even Kashkascar, Oh, it's been a while since everyone visited.
Speaker 3: I wonder what they're up to. Another kind of not
Speaker 3: a she wouldn't have meant it as a bar, but
Speaker 3: it's absolutely not. He would take it, but it's a Hey,
Speaker 3: your subordinates are all out there doing amazing things, and
Speaker 3: look at you you can't even feed yourself.
Speaker 1: And she's talking about like can you believe we ever
Speaker 1: went on adventures? Like it's just oh, we think him
Speaker 1: also Kaska as like a housemaiden. She looks sensational. Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 4: It's also weird because like that that it's weird to
Speaker 4: see grif Griffith imagining that because that feels like a
Speaker 4: Kaska fantasy more than a Griffith fantasy. So whenever that
Speaker 4: pops up on was just like, who's whose dream is this?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think that's that's one hundred percent Griffith. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as like fantasy. I think it's
Speaker 1: his mind like trying to find a way to accept
Speaker 1: this future, and this little daydream is like the best
Speaker 1: thing he the best scenario he can think of, like
Speaker 1: in a realistic sense, and it's still not enough, like
Speaker 1: the fact that he would be happy is not enough,
Speaker 1: and fuck man, that is.
Speaker 2: Like messed up. It's like, oh, you think it's like
Speaker 2: one last chance of rationalization, right, or like accept a
Speaker 2: bit of like his flashing before his eyes all permutations
Speaker 2: of like what else could be? And yeah, even that's
Speaker 2: not enough, like you said, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah it just it just it kills me that not
Speaker 1: even happiness is enough, not even contentment. It's like he
Speaker 1: has to have more than that.
Speaker 2: He says, He's like, this would have this could have
Speaker 2: been all right. Yep Uh.
Speaker 1: He wakes up from that dream, having crashed his carriage,
Speaker 1: having a little little bailet appear in his soup, which
Speaker 1: really grosses me out.
Speaker 2: For some reason. It's funny that he the the way
Speaker 2: I did laugh. The way they animated him, kind of
Speaker 2: being like ejected from the wagon, that was kind. They
Speaker 2: just sort of have him like somersault in the air
Speaker 2: with like one frame a second. I was just like, what, like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? All right? I can't believe that
Speaker 2: thing finds him? M h the Egg of the King, okay,
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know when when does he lose it? Someone pulls it
Speaker 2: off his neck and throws it down the sewers to
Speaker 2: do this fable and yeah, this is ugly. It clashes.
Speaker 2: Here's what it should have what we should have done here,
Speaker 2: Kaska should have like been holding on to it and
Speaker 2: then think of how powerful would have been if like
Speaker 2: she returns it to him right as he's having to
Speaker 2: still make this conscious decision to be consumed by evil
Speaker 2: and take his you know, dark destiny and accept it.
Speaker 2: I just think, like it just finding I guess. But
Speaker 2: the thing though, right, it's it's it's it's it's destiny, right,
Speaker 2: like it's just gonna find him, right, I understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there is a very famous line Tam, what
Speaker 1: is it? It's like, oh, you cannot reverse the flow
Speaker 1: of causality or something like that. But there is a
Speaker 1: big part of this where this was always meant to happen.
Speaker 2: Right, which you still could have squared if Kaska was
Speaker 2: the one to return it to him, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: I think I think the the I think that would
Speaker 4: have definitely worked, but it does rob it of the
Speaker 4: like supernatural element of it, which I think is important
Speaker 4: to maintain and even kind of amp up in these
Speaker 4: final moments of.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was waiting, I was like, how's this coming back? Then?
Speaker 2: Right like that the whole like I kind of made
Speaker 2: this this. I was like, Okay, what are we going
Speaker 2: to do? Like how what kind of fuckery will have
Speaker 2: to happen for this thing to just like appear?
Speaker 3: And yeah, very Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is what actually George George what's
Speaker 4: his face token was inspired by the reader and was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically the nineties anime as well. Tim, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: he was dead by then. But it doesn't don't ask that, Ques.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I like Jeff, I'm not a mathematician.
Speaker 2: I don't know if those dates are or not. But
Speaker 2: like I'm saying, sounds right.
Speaker 4: It sounds right, and it sounds cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very it definitely sounds cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh so then like you know, Griffith, he
Speaker 1: finds he wakes up in a river and he just
Speaker 1: looks down and his arm is fucked up, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he just he has this moment of shock where he's
Speaker 1: looking at his broken arm and then he just laughs
Speaker 1: because yeah, what else does he have? Like he's he's done,
Speaker 1: he's gone, yeah, and he's.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, where else is there to go for him?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: He then decides to attempt to h as the kids
Speaker 1: would say, un alive himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kids will say, he's chopped. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 2: get washed Griffith. Here, he's so.
Speaker 4: Wide, he fell off so hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did literally flop ear yeah m hm mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But he can't do it. He cannot take his own life,
Speaker 1: and it's like you can see that he even thinks
Speaker 1: that's pathetic. He's like, Okay, I can't, I cannot even
Speaker 1: do this, and it's it's horrible. And that's when he
Speaker 1: looks down and he sees the little egg tangled up
Speaker 1: in his.
Speaker 2: Fingers, you fucking little egg boy.
Speaker 1: With thenbably get like one of the most famous panels
Speaker 1: slash shots in Berserk, and it's Griffith holding out the
Speaker 1: bail at the sunset and the background the spike that
Speaker 1: he was about to impale himself on that shot in
Speaker 1: the Like the panel of it is beautiful as well,
Speaker 1: but that shot in the films is stunning. It's so gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It's stunning here as well. But they're both. They're both
Speaker 1: very good. Did you guys hear that?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm glad this happened for you.
Speaker 1: That's I'm doing this through stream Labs and basically you
Speaker 1: can never whenever Excel a T shirt, I get a
Speaker 1: little notification.
Speaker 3: That's incredible the person who bought two items.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Let me let me let me see here.
Speaker 2: Shout outs to.
Speaker 1: Sky, I love everything you're chewing. Taking time for yourself
Speaker 1: and doing what you love will do. Skuy, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Very much, Thank you guy. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Man. It really would be a shame if I sold
Speaker 1: a T shirt during an inappropriate moment.
Speaker 3: At least it was now.
Speaker 2: At least it was now it's a moving target here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact that that isn't the least inappropriate moment shows
Speaker 1: you what we're dealing with here. The band of Hawk
Speaker 1: race towards Griffith and he activates the bail it. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it?
Speaker 2: But how does he activate it? It just sort of
Speaker 2: happens or he just like makes a blood yeah, because
Speaker 2: I realize he has a flashback and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to need your flesh and blood for this
Speaker 2: thing to open up or whatever. But like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess it's sort of like I think he says I
Speaker 2: submit in the dub.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he says something.
Speaker 1: Like he he definitely gives into it, and in doing so,
Speaker 1: I think the weird monster men start to appear before
Speaker 1: he does that, if I'm not mistaken, and all these
Speaker 1: naked monstrosities begin to kind of appear around him, and
Speaker 1: then then the land completely transforms and we are teleported
Speaker 1: basically to Hell, just this horrible nightmare place where both
Speaker 1: the ground and the sky are filled with the giant
Speaker 1: screaming faces. I love it. It's also one of the
Speaker 1: best depictions of Hell that I have seen in media.
Speaker 2: Is just yeah, I want my basement to look like this.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. I thought, Yeah, I think it's cool.
Speaker 2: I thought this was cool as hell. Like it reminded
Speaker 2: me of eternal Darkness a little bit, where like every
Speaker 2: time you find the book The two, Yeah, the sort
Speaker 2: of platform you must traverse is just like screaming souls
Speaker 2: and it's just like that fucking cool. It's fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Just from like a very heavy metal point of view.
Speaker 2: I enjoy that aesthetic news flash.
Speaker 4: On a T shirt like all around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like get like let me you know, let me emote.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's not enjoying that pattern and it's
Speaker 1: goods in the Band of the Hawk at the start
Speaker 1: of episode twenty.
Speaker 2: Four, certainly they are freaked out.
Speaker 4: I'm not enjoying that.
Speaker 2: No, as God says, I'm not sure about this now.
Speaker 4: I'm not looking good. Lads, you got.
Speaker 3: A bad feeling about this.
Speaker 1: And this is where Slan appears, and I also like Slan.
Speaker 1: I think Slan's cool. I always find it kind of
Speaker 1: weird that she shows up and she's like totally naked
Speaker 1: and then she has a little like kerchief, and of
Speaker 1: course it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you're that tall, you don't care.
Speaker 2: I guess close work differently. I guess so I didn't
Speaker 2: catch her name. Where did you catch her name? I
Speaker 2: just know her name because that's her name, and they
Speaker 2: don't mention it in the show. Okay, the manga.
Speaker 3: In the manga, there's a panel and it has all
Speaker 3: of them and has their names.
Speaker 2: You know. Her height sort of varies during the rest
Speaker 2: of this couple episodes. Sometimes she looks a little smaller,
Speaker 2: sometimes she looks a little bigger.
Speaker 3: I think that's just the whole thing with all of them.
Speaker 3: It's like they can do that at will. They can
Speaker 3: mess with the scale of.
Speaker 2: What's what's brain Man's name?
Speaker 1: Brain Man's name, Larry, It's actually it's been the brain Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Larry, the Brainman, Larry, Larry Brainman.
Speaker 4: No, I.
Speaker 2: Wid that's a disappointment.
Speaker 4: Conrad. Conrad is the other one. Conrad and Ubik.
Speaker 1: I have a problem with Conrad and Ubik they look
Speaker 1: to the same. They look they look to the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. One is like a bigger version of
Speaker 2: the other. And they both they both hold their hands
Speaker 2: like this. Well you don't do that, you don't couple your.
Speaker 1: Well I do constantly, which is why I never want
Speaker 1: to appear in a scene with these two, because people
Speaker 1: would confuse us.
Speaker 2: Three of you. Then, yeah, I'm right in saying this.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you picked up on it, Jeff,
Speaker 4: But the void is the the voice over you hear
Speaker 4: at the start of each episode.
Speaker 2: Oh god, damn it. I'm usually so good at that.
Speaker 3: What do you mean you didn't catch that?
Speaker 2: So so good at recognizing voices.
Speaker 1: I only realized that good enough this this watch through
Speaker 1: and I have watched this is like my third time
Speaker 1: watching Berserk, and I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: You know, just wait a minute.
Speaker 2: I think it's also because like you see it, it's
Speaker 2: I've gone numb to it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm also fast forwarding that part. But like I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's just like this thing, like I
Speaker 2: just I don't hear it anymore, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: just held up a little bit. This is my is
Speaker 2: the bell of bailot my bail.
Speaker 4: It is a little baseball, squishy baseball, I would believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little stressing your life.
Speaker 4: And somehow that that little squeeze bawl keeps making its
Speaker 4: way back into your life.
Speaker 2: It's crazy out the windows.
Speaker 4: Suddenly it's in your hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how it returns to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's dead. The egg of the cul de sac. I
Speaker 2: think it's yep. I think it's like, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: have this skill where I can, like I'm very good
Speaker 2: at like calling out like voice actors like, oh that's
Speaker 2: Jake's Oh like oh I can do that really well.
Speaker 2: So you think that would apply to this. I missed
Speaker 2: this Simmons. Yeah, like for some reason that came up
Speaker 2: because that was the guy was watching Gravity Falls the
Speaker 2: other day. I'm like, oh my god, that's Jake Simmons. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in myself.
Speaker 3: The voice actor is well known.
Speaker 4: Look I mean the Japanese ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Japanese ones. I would imagine.
Speaker 3: Sure see if the English English ones, Oh interesting, IMDb
Speaker 3: is down.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a WS is all screwed up today.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh this is that why I got an
Speaker 3: email about Slack being down fantastic.
Speaker 2: You Uh yeah, I like I want to know more
Speaker 2: about each one of these little freak stories though, like
Speaker 2: why is like exposed brain skeleton man? Like what's his deal?
Speaker 2: Like where? Well, how do you get like that? You
Speaker 2: will never know. There's no way for you to know
Speaker 2: what's the Void origin?
Speaker 1: No, so the Void Origin is actually pretty disappointed. And
Speaker 1: he was allowed who worked in Tesco that's like a
Speaker 1: kind of British chain supermarket and the under like here
Speaker 1: do you wanna do you want to be one hundred
Speaker 1: feet tall and have a weird brain? And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, And that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got al.
Speaker 1: It came from a loving family. Uh no, Rial, he
Speaker 1: was doing engineering in college.
Speaker 4: He didn't know his brain was going to be exposed
Speaker 4: on the outside. That's kind of trapped him with that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he he the first time he takes
Speaker 1: on the void for him, he does go, oh you
Speaker 1: got me there?
Speaker 2: You remember that bed time? Yeah? Yeah, who's immediately get
Speaker 2: it from Tesco? Which is crazy. I hate to see it.
Speaker 2: What's the big girl's name again? The Big Girl? Slangan
Speaker 2: slam m hm s l A N yep, you're just
Speaker 2: saving this later or no, no, come on, We've I've
Speaker 2: got other things that have more priorities. Let's just say also.
Speaker 1: Well, I fool, I don't I am curious, but also
Speaker 1: don't want to know those priorities.
Speaker 2: Thank you for not inquiring on the shirt, Tam. I
Speaker 2: thought that was going to be Caska. I thought, like,
Speaker 2: how Slam is depicted in that T shirt? Is? I
Speaker 2: thought like Caska is, like she's going to evolve into this,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe in retrospect, should have held off and giving him
Speaker 3: the shirt until.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want everyone to know, Tam, you ruined it.
Speaker 4: No, I feel like it's good because now he's lived
Speaker 4: through like the the tension and the forebodings.
Speaker 2: He's killed me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted out of this, Like
Speaker 4: I wanted him to look at that and be like,
Speaker 4: what is why is this happening? And as you get
Speaker 4: closer and closer to the end, because it really compounds
Speaker 4: the last three episodes is where everything just goes mental.
Speaker 4: So as we get closer and closer, Jeff was probably like,
Speaker 4: when is this gonna happen?
Speaker 2: We've got like two episodes left, you know, and you
Speaker 2: guys were in the room there too when he gave
Speaker 2: it to me, weren't you. Yeah, my I did tighten
Speaker 2: up when that happened. I was like, mm, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: what a meaningless irrelevant shirt? Yeah, just metal and that's
Speaker 2: all anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So we spend a couple of minutes with the
Speaker 1: God Hand basically saying in several different very cool ways
Speaker 1: to the Hawks, you guys are fucking dead. You guys
Speaker 1: are so done you screw before?
Speaker 3: Does you wait?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, things are right to get real bad here for
Speaker 1: you guys. And they summon a magical pillar that boosts
Speaker 1: Guts and Griffith up into the sky, which becomes a
Speaker 1: giant's hand.
Speaker 3: It looks like the chair hand from Arrested Development the
Speaker 3: buss Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice nice. Uh.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, basically all these strange like monstrous figures surrounding Griffith,
Speaker 1: they all become even more monstrous, and you discover that
Speaker 1: every single one of them is a disciple, just like
Speaker 1: Zod the Immortal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and White Wild what's his name?
Speaker 2: Willed Wild Wild? Or so? But why is Zod like up?
Speaker 2: But Zod interferes and Zod's also like allowed out. I
Speaker 2: don't get it, Like what.
Speaker 1: So they're all allowed out? These are people who exist
Speaker 1: in the real world.
Speaker 2: And Zod was just like, I'm also gonna kind of
Speaker 2: help people. Well, what what does Zod do? He cuts
Speaker 2: that horse guy? Oh no, he doesn't do that. He
Speaker 2: gives guts that cool sword that he cuts the the
Speaker 2: that scary general with who's on horseback.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different reasons he might do it.
Speaker 1: He might be doing that to help Griffith. He might
Speaker 1: be doing it to be like, okay, goods, you you
Speaker 1: gave me a decent fight. I'll get you out of
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 4: Like on his own adventure. Yeah, he's the star of
Speaker 4: his own show.
Speaker 3: But he also like reference, like he references the bailot
Speaker 3: and he you know.
Speaker 1: He stops attacking Griffith when he sees the bailot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, I don't want to fuck with Destiny.
Speaker 2: I don't fuck with someone's going to be like my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like, oh you're the one. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think that some of the designs for the
Speaker 1: monsters here are absolutely some of the scariest ship I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're just sort of all sloppy boys all
Speaker 2: over the place. Huh.
Speaker 4: You know some of them some of them look weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them look like, you know, weird animals.
Speaker 1: Some of them were just look like like a line,
Speaker 1: you know, like just just a line with eyes.
Speaker 2: And it's still terrifying. A lot of very abstract stuff,
Speaker 2: which is weird and cool.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, a lot of worm looking dudes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just faces, multiple faces, why not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get this little kind of dreamish sequence.
Speaker 1: And I love these episodes. I feel like this sequence
Speaker 1: goes on a little long, and I guess my only
Speaker 1: problem with it is I feel like it's covering shit
Speaker 1: that we've already so like masterfully established just of who
Speaker 1: Griffith is and why he is the way he is,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of just putting like a quite a
Speaker 1: blunt point on all that. And like I get it,
Speaker 1: Like I get that, you know, you want people to
Speaker 1: really understand who Griffith is and where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: But I guess this is a scene that goes on
Speaker 1: for like two or three minutes and we don't really
Speaker 1: learn anything new about how Griffith thinks, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, But I do think it's effective I agree
Speaker 2: it should probably be maybe two minutes shorter or three
Speaker 2: minutes shorter than it was, But I do think it
Speaker 2: was kind of powerful of like to position him as
Speaker 2: a child, right, and kind of like for you know,
Speaker 2: you're probably right.
Speaker 1: I think I've probably just been through this story X
Speaker 1: many times in X many different ways that I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who griffed, but yeah, yeah, I know he's shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And so basically I do think there's one kind of
Speaker 1: interesting shot here where it's Guts being like talking like
Speaker 1: illusion Goots talking to Griffith, and he's in his like
Speaker 1: fancy boy clothes, And I thought that was an interesting
Speaker 1: decision because it's kind of like like Griffith's seeing the
Speaker 1: most successful possible version of Gouts, maybe after he's kind
Speaker 1: of succeeded in life, whereas Griffiths and that Griffith never will.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't even clock that he
Speaker 3: was wearing his fancy boy clothes.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: But then again I did have just you know, isn't
Speaker 3: it is that.
Speaker 4: I think I might be wrong here, But isn't that
Speaker 4: the last time they saw each No, I guess they
Speaker 4: on the way out. He was wearing his normal clothes.
Speaker 4: I figured like it might be because he saw him
Speaker 4: in that scenario. Lost could be it could be that
Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, but also like they have in the
Speaker 4: snow afterwards, and Guts is wearing his I'm gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Cut some falls outfit, and we see the little boy
Speaker 1: who died in Goods in Griffith's service, get some really
Speaker 1: fucking cool shots of like the castle off in the sky,
Speaker 1: and Griffith is standing on a pile of dead bodies,
Speaker 1: and it's all very good. And then afterwards the god
Speaker 1: hand are basically like, hey, we didn't do anything, buddy,
Speaker 1: that's you just saw who you are where. We are
Speaker 1: not taking any credit for that.
Speaker 3: Yep, we are just holding the mirror up. This one
Speaker 3: was all you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't get this.
Speaker 2: There's this.
Speaker 1: It's whenever Void puts out his arm and you see
Speaker 1: how fucking weirdly long his arms.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's so creepy, amazing. It goes on
Speaker 2: for just miles. His arm is longer than his body.
Speaker 2: It's the best. I love him. Like twenty four Oh,
Speaker 2: I think it's like, oh, I think you're talking.
Speaker 1: Like twenty meters.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I want it to be way more than
Speaker 2: that is there is as Yeah, it's a joke. It's
Speaker 2: a joke. When he has that wingspan. It's such a joke.
Speaker 2: It's insane. And it's also his hands bigger than his head.
Speaker 4: He's not even playing any sports with it. Useless.
Speaker 3: What it's like. We got at the house. We got
Speaker 3: a one of those extendable forks recently.
Speaker 4: Okay, you got extendo fork.
Speaker 2: Holy, pretty great rule. He's the best. I want him
Speaker 2: to like be the lead singer of a band.
Speaker 3: Wearing a T shirt the other day and I thought
Speaker 3: it was a Void shirt, but it was like some
Speaker 3: misfit shirt and they had done a collab with someone else,
Speaker 3: and it looks exactly like Void, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Damn, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Lead singer of a brand, which is what happens everyone
Speaker 1: in the band of Hawk here.
Speaker 5: Oh joy, that was cinema.
Speaker 4: I don't think a better one.
Speaker 2: Now, it's it's not my first time. That was podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, clearly we're going to go back to the old podcast
Speaker 4: he's done to find that he's used this.
Speaker 2: Exact thing before.
Speaker 1: Void basically brands everyone in the band of Hawk, and
Speaker 1: this is basically the.
Speaker 2: Kick me.
Speaker 4: It's a bloodborne logo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, question, I have a question. Ye uh, you know
Speaker 2: they show this like symbol and I'm like, oh, there
Speaker 2: it is. There's that bersark thing. Where's it been? Where's
Speaker 2: it the hold agu of the end time? And what's
Speaker 2: the significance of the shape? Why? Like, where does it
Speaker 2: come from?
Speaker 1: You are literally experiencing the answer to all your own questions.
Speaker 2: Jeff, Yeah, yeah, but like.
Speaker 3: But once again in the Manger, it's that from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel underserved in love in the in the
Speaker 2: way that I've been exposed to that symbol.
Speaker 1: This is the first time it appears in the story.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should learn.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like, Jeff, I'm having like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to explain it to you in like a non
Speaker 1: patronizing way, but my mind keeps going back to explaining
Speaker 1: what chronological narrative is.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I look and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. They don't tell you that at the beginning of.
Speaker 3: This, Jeff, what do you like at the movies? Do
Speaker 3: you sit and go, Hey, what's his deal? Hey, what's
Speaker 3: going on with him? And You're like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm watching the same thing.
Speaker 2: To answer your question a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I would think I would never.
Speaker 2: No, I don't talk out loud during in movies.
Speaker 4: You know the worst people. I encountered one of these
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks back. It's the person who talks
Speaker 4: in the movie but they're alone and they're just talking
Speaker 4: to themselves.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fucking I shucked up.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: There was some.
Speaker 4: I was watching, was the one battle after another, and
Speaker 4: at one point, dude like just a few seas down
Speaker 4: and was like, I know what's going to happen here.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonnam.
Speaker 2: I just like I was like, oh, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: say that. Yeah, I mean no, it's but like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm I ask a lot of my media because I
Speaker 2: need I feel like I'm too demanding of explanation, Right,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with whatever you're presenting, no matter how unrealistic
Speaker 2: or inconceivable or improbable. But I just want you to
Speaker 2: like earn that, right. And that's the thing I have
Speaker 2: with like a lot of I went through that with
Speaker 2: like the comic book that I was doing, like there
Speaker 2: were two there were a point where I reached it
Speaker 2: was like, we need to earn all these things that
Speaker 2: we are declaring this far in and that's what and
Speaker 2: that's you know, I guess it's more of like a
Speaker 2: compulsion I have, right, rather than like of coause anyone
Speaker 2: could write a story anywhere they want. There's no fucking rules, right,
Speaker 2: So that's all. And when I'm first exposed to this
Speaker 2: like very iconic symbol, I'm like, man, I've been waiting
Speaker 2: twenty four episodes. Okay, I get you. I get you, Jeff.
Speaker 1: I think I think what it is though, is like
Speaker 1: you are experiencing the impact of.
Speaker 2: It before I see it exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you you don't know what it is or
Speaker 1: why it's important, but like the whole, the whole thing
Speaker 1: of it is that this is the brand mark. When
Speaker 1: someone is sacrificed in an eclipse, they get this mark.
Speaker 1: So this mark is basically a hey, this isn't all
Speaker 1: you can eat buffet to the demons and so you
Speaker 1: know you no, not to get too heavy into spoilers here,
Speaker 1: but Guts makes it out of the eclipse, but he
Speaker 1: still has the brand mark, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Basically it's he's a moving target forever now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when the brand, when the brand starts to hurt,
Speaker 3: and like sometimes it bleeds.
Speaker 4: It's not very much in the city.
Speaker 3: It's very much sting from again, Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: It's funny that people use to get this tattooed on themselves.
Speaker 2: Found that I have a tattooed?
Speaker 3: Do you do? On the neck? Is the one that
Speaker 3: always gets me because I'm just like.
Speaker 2: I like where Corcus gets it right forehead forehead.
Speaker 1: It's just like, okay, so I feeling it, but I
Speaker 1: got I got the panels, and I under like like
Speaker 1: because people have definitely said this to me. It's like,
Speaker 1: why would you want to get that tattooed? And like,
Speaker 1: you know, a certain portion of the Internet will always
Speaker 1: be like, you don't.
Speaker 2: Know what it means.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to get that tattooed, man means a struggle.
Speaker 1: But to me, like this is it. What it means
Speaker 1: is bad things will happen and you will move on
Speaker 1: and be okay. That's what like a brand Mark says
Speaker 1: in like the narrative terms of Brazerk, Like you can
Speaker 1: go for the literal interpretation of hello, I am food
Speaker 1: for a demon, please eat me, or you can look
Speaker 1: at the actual story and be like, bad things will
Speaker 1: happen and I'll keep going.
Speaker 4: That's what to me, it means that you won't get
Speaker 4: very good sleep forever.
Speaker 2: It's just funny that you got it tattooed on your butt.
Speaker 2: Why is the funny, Jeff, It's just very very place
Speaker 2: fling a beautiful ass and I wanted to adorn it
Speaker 2: with decoration. But the symmetric bad things happen to do well,
Speaker 2: it would look weird if it was just like one side, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I guess all right, nay, you're bad.
Speaker 4: I like, I like to think that John is doing
Speaker 4: like ace Ventura butt thing with his friends, showing.
Speaker 2: It off to people.
Speaker 1: Uh, but yeah, things things go from from bad to
Speaker 1: worse as soon as this brand appears. This entire episode
Speaker 1: ends on a really stunning painting of the monsters. Like
Speaker 1: the monsters basically look like a giant waterfall about to
Speaker 1: collapse on the band of Hawk. It's such a harrowing
Speaker 1: and stunning image. And the like, I guess you know,
Speaker 1: there's been so many points during this podcast where I've
Speaker 1: kind of been like, oh, you got to check out
Speaker 1: the actual panel. The panel just for the eclipse are
Speaker 1: some of the most nightmarish things I have ever seen.
Speaker 3: Read them on a play which is what I did.
Speaker 2: You got to send them to me. I want to
Speaker 2: see some of this stuff after we record here, you know.
Speaker 1: Let me pick some choice selections out here. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think of this episode?
Speaker 3: Again, it's the slow moving car crash into hell. It's
Speaker 3: so effective. I think, Yeah, I agree with you that
Speaker 3: the Griffith like, hey, you're a bad guy, goes on
Speaker 3: a little too long, but at the same because I
Speaker 3: think at the same time, it's like it's pulling you
Speaker 3: away from you want to desperately know what is about
Speaker 3: to happen, and so kind of pulling you out of
Speaker 3: that just to have like a little bit of expository stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, nah, I don't really need it. But overall,
Speaker 3: I think it's very impactful. And yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing bad's gonna happen, don't worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Totally fine. And then we reach our final episode of Berserk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for reference, John just dropped one of the
Speaker 3: panels in the discord.
Speaker 2: Jeff is, now that's a tattoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tattoo. Put that on your butt cheek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it would kind of.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, you it's so detailed. I
Speaker 3: can't even notice, Like when you first glance at it,
Speaker 3: you don't even see Casco.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a There are so many images like that
Speaker 1: in in the Mica. But yeah, so we open up
Speaker 1: here and immediately it is fucking chaos. There is just
Speaker 1: men being picked up and shoved into the mouths of
Speaker 1: monsters like like potato chips, like me.
Speaker 2: Delicious. Everyone seems delicious, is what I'm taking away from
Speaker 2: this part. Humans whoa long pork definitely harm? Oh my lord, yeah,
Speaker 2: saying we do it? I was like, who'd you hear
Speaker 2: that from?
Speaker 3: There was that Vice interview with that cannibal from a field.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a great shot right at the start here,
Speaker 1: and it's so horrifying, and it's just Casca and she's
Speaker 1: just staring right into the camera and blood is just
Speaker 1: like just like pissing down in front of her, and
Speaker 1: she's you are just watching her lose her mind. She
Speaker 1: cannot fathom what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 3: How can you This is something so outside of like
Speaker 3: even even now us, you know, we have been exposed
Speaker 3: to the internet, all the art you could Imagine the
Speaker 3: hundreds of years of history, all of these stories, all
Speaker 3: of these pieces of artwork, all of these concepts and theories. Imagine.
Speaker 3: You know, this is set roughly in like a Middle Ages.
Speaker 3: Your world is so so small. How on earth could
Speaker 3: you comprehend something like this? You just can't. You would
Speaker 3: just go insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all think they're dreaming, right, like, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like there's just there's a lot of still
Speaker 1: shots in this episode, but in no way that I
Speaker 1: think really works. Yeah, and this one, and it's just
Speaker 1: Kaska like looking across at like her field of view,
Speaker 1: and it is just men being devoured by giant insect monsters.
Speaker 3: Not just men though, it's like she knows them, all
Speaker 3: of them her friends. They are people that she's led,
Speaker 3: people that she's been traveling with for years and like
Speaker 3: grown up with.
Speaker 1: Then they're just gone, a fucking just weird looking horned.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like it's wearing a hood, but
Speaker 1: it has like bullhorns and goes for her and Pippen
Speaker 1: dives out and saves her in one of like the
Speaker 1: first active things Pippin's done in a while. And oh man,
Speaker 1: you want to see Pippen win here. You want to
Speaker 1: see him be okay, And then Judo grabs her in
Speaker 1: the boat right away, and in the distance you just
Speaker 1: see Pippen like engulfed by these monsters. Jeff, I guess
Speaker 1: this is the point where shit's like, oh, this isn't
Speaker 1: going to be okay, right, Like, how are you feeling
Speaker 1: in this moment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're get in the sense that like, okay, everyone's
Speaker 2: just kind of getting picked off now and you're not.
Speaker 2: You just kind of have to as an audience, as
Speaker 2: a viewer, you have to just survive this, you know,
Speaker 2: you just sort of have to say, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hold on here and just let this happen. It's rough,
Speaker 2: it's very rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Judo kind of rides off. Oh man, we just yeah,
Speaker 1: we So Judo rides off with Caska, and we get
Speaker 1: another scene of just this like upside down face egg
Speaker 1: Demon chasing down Corcus and three other men, and at
Speaker 1: one point he just he like he lashes out, grabs
Speaker 1: the three men and again just like popcorn, stuffs them
Speaker 1: all into his mouth.
Speaker 2: How did you feel about that, well, watching everyone just
Speaker 2: get like munched up, like and Jeopardy. It was a
Speaker 2: good run. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a good run
Speaker 2: with Carcus. And I didn't know he see, I didn't
Speaker 2: always understand each other, but well, we knew this day
Speaker 2: was gonna come at practically the same person in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the takeaway.
Speaker 4: I don't know, the same kind of like soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, same outlook. I feel like if Corcus. I
Speaker 1: feel like, if Corcus were real and I was having
Speaker 1: a conversation with him, I'd be like, oh, you'd get
Speaker 1: on all my buddy, Jeff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's why I was drawn to him.
Speaker 2: That's why I felt this sort of cosmic connection with Carcus,
Speaker 2: you know, and his soul consumed mine for the entirety
Speaker 2: of this viewing, and exactly and as the bailet was
Speaker 2: drawn to Griffith, right, And it was in this moment
Speaker 2: where I could see the riding on the wall that
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't our destiny to be together forever.
Speaker 4: In times coming to an end.
Speaker 2: And it was at that moment I had to, uh, well, guys,
Speaker 2: I had to let go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Jeff, It's easier, but thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Now that means a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Now you're the only loser in our lives.
Speaker 2: Thanks Tam. I'm going to put a bow on that button,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Corcus sees a few more we'll call him
Speaker 1: spooky monsters, and yeah, he basically completely disconnects from reality
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, this is a dream, but also
Speaker 1: everything was a dream and I never met the band
Speaker 1: of the Hawk, that none of that ever happened. I'm
Speaker 1: And then we get like a really beautiful one of
Speaker 1: those kind of like watercolor illustrations of Corcus just like
Speaker 1: riding on his horse, and he's like, I think this
Speaker 1: is after one of the big battles that he comes
Speaker 1: back from, and it's it's such a lovely picture and
Speaker 1: he's just like, no, no, it was all too good
Speaker 1: to be true, and now nothing is real.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In that one, he's very much in it, coming back.
Speaker 3: He's heroic. I mean, this is after the taking the castle, right,
Speaker 3: or at least like this is interpretation of it where
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, that was the high point in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is funny how he goes though he sees a
Speaker 1: naked lady off in the distance and she's a cutie.
Speaker 1: I get it, I understand what kind of Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: and he immediately dives into her bosom.
Speaker 3: I mean at this point, at this point, you know,
Speaker 3: you've seen the horror the world's the horrors that will
Speaker 3: you know, just drive you in.
Speaker 4: What else is I feel like he got off lightly there,
Speaker 4: like he his experience was something like kind of pleasurable
Speaker 4: for himself, even if it might not be happening. He
Speaker 4: died of a boner.
Speaker 1: That I don't know about because we kind of see
Speaker 1: then that it cuts, and he is not in the
Speaker 1: arms of a beautiful naked lady, but of like I
Speaker 1: would say, maybe the ugliest xenomorph you ever did see.
Speaker 4: But he doesn't see this animal.
Speaker 2: He sees the beautiful lady.
Speaker 1: But we also you also don't see what happens Corcus
Speaker 1: after this moment. And I'm willing to say, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say the suggestion is not that he gets gently fooked
Speaker 1: to death.
Speaker 2: No, but yeah, and we do see like his head
Speaker 2: in someone's mouth later, but he's got a smile on
Speaker 2: his face though. Yeah, I think dam's right. I think
Speaker 2: he died with the big old bone and and then
Speaker 2: left the more shuffled off. That's it. What else could
Speaker 2: you ask for?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Right? They didn't. They could have given Corcus Way more
Speaker 2: of a disservice, and they chose to give him honest,
Speaker 2: he deserved the way worse. Yeah, they let him like
Speaker 2: motor boat his way into hell. And well, I mean,
Speaker 2: oh that did they not? You know, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Taking in the phrase motor boat his way into.
Speaker 3: Every straight further than God's light.
Speaker 4: You know, my years of watching and reading about Berzerka's
Speaker 4: cultural impact and having every frame of it torn apart
Speaker 4: piece by piece, I've never heard someone say Caucus mot
Speaker 4: about his way into hell.
Speaker 2: Yes, well this is why we are going out. Better
Speaker 2: go out on top? Am I right?
Speaker 1: I got no segue for this one, guys. Sorry, that's okay,
Speaker 1: speaking of mobile speaking of motor boating, Kaska and Judo
Speaker 1: sure are going fast on that horse?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I lost I think I know, guys, come on,
Speaker 2: I lost it and they and they, I mean come on,
Speaker 2: I was like, there's where are they running? Where are
Speaker 2: they going?
Speaker 4: Are running?
Speaker 1: Don't have that conversation as well. They're just like fuck,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Their horse gets devoured by a giant
Speaker 1: like I hate it. I hate this bit. I feel
Speaker 1: so like it bothers me on such a level. The
Speaker 1: poor horse. It's really gruesome and horrifying.
Speaker 3: It's amazing that the horse never bolted before that. You
Speaker 3: know the fact that.
Speaker 4: They all the horses, all the horses were remarkably chilled
Speaker 4: during the entire thing.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is normal they get spooked by. I
Speaker 2: think they're just kind of like, well, when you when
Speaker 2: you gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: My sister's horse gets scared by puddles. Uh.
Speaker 1: Casca and Judo come crashing to the ground and we
Speaker 1: meet the monster in hell. That freaks me out the most.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck.
Speaker 2: This thing is.
Speaker 1: It looks it looks like a toilet sign, like like
Speaker 1: you know, the like stick Man toilet sign, with antenna
Speaker 1: coming out of its head and red glowing eyes like
Speaker 1: in different parts of its body. And I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate this thing.
Speaker 4: There's some real nasty monster design in this there is
Speaker 4: you know where that comes from?
Speaker 1: Wow, And it's uh, it's it starts whipping Judo, who
Speaker 1: is lying on top of Casca, and he's like trying
Speaker 1: to protect her, and fuck, this looks so painful, like
Speaker 1: you're seeing the dense in Judo's armor and it's oh,
Speaker 1: it's bad.
Speaker 2: It's awful. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Caska manages to take it out with Judo's assistant
Speaker 1: because she's a badass. And then we get this this
Speaker 1: scene of Casca and Judo walking together and Judo has
Speaker 1: this line to the effect of like he's dying and
Speaker 1: he's about to die, and he's like, well, I never
Speaker 1: got to say it to her, and it's like it
Speaker 1: kind of makes me feel like in a way that
Speaker 1: like Judo definitely like believed in Griffith, but it's nearly
Speaker 1: like Casco is the one that he wanted to be beside, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do backload a lot of his a lot
Speaker 2: of the compassion that you were meant to have for Judo.
Speaker 2: They do backload that a little bit.
Speaker 3: I feel it all the way through.
Speaker 1: But like I think when you when you reread it
Speaker 1: as well, it is like, oh, fuck, he was in
Speaker 1: love with Kaska the whole time and he was still
Speaker 1: like God to.
Speaker 2: Think you guys be happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there is some other allusion to his feelings
Speaker 1: towards Casca.
Speaker 2: Some I think it's like in the Bonfire.
Speaker 1: Of Dreams section but I can't remember specifically, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and then basically is left by herself against all the
Speaker 1: monsters of Hell. She tries to swing at them, her
Speaker 1: sword breaks and then they take her and it is
Speaker 1: very unpleasant.
Speaker 2: Jeez geez okay, yeah, not bad for business, no good.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Griffith is in his egg cocoon and we can
Speaker 1: kind of see in there and see that he is
Speaker 1: becoming less and less human by the looks of it,
Speaker 1: looks like he's sprouting some wings, his legs are getting longer.
Speaker 1: It's all fucked up. We see a bunch of shitty baileets.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that was fun, little teeth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you don't get great wishes out of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what what what would you think you would
Speaker 3: get out of like the ship bailet? You know, like
Speaker 3: if you know, if you know that Crimson one gets
Speaker 3: you to become a member of the God Hand, what
Speaker 3: do you think, like little get you.
Speaker 1: Gets you like like a castle or like like really yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think like with it, because it has
Speaker 1: to be enough that people would be willing to give
Speaker 1: up their humanity. I think Zod became immortal, so he
Speaker 1: can't die and so he can just fight forever. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're like taking over the world with one
Speaker 1: of these bailets.
Speaker 2: What so, how did they distribute these? Like what's this?
Speaker 2: It like a blind box situation, Like how did this work?
Speaker 1: I think according to their conversation with Griffith, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you are predisposed to go for something like this,
Speaker 1: it will kind of come to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just pre judged.
Speaker 2: It's like applying. How did they It's like checking credit history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the checking credit history and you get a certain
Speaker 4: amount based on your viability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how do they like decide that, God, we're
Speaker 2: going to make another egg, it's one, it's the big one.
Speaker 2: We're letting another person they make them.
Speaker 7: I can't remember if that's I don't think so. I
Speaker 7: think somebody has to come from something, you know. I'm
Speaker 7: just glad the nose in the mouth and the eyes
Speaker 7: are fixed. That really upset me. For the entirety of
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 2: I all slotted back into place. Yeah, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: a face, Okay.
Speaker 3: I I am kind of like you, Jeff Roy. I
Speaker 3: like knowing the reason behind a lot of things. But
Speaker 3: I think when it comes to b Zurik. I just
Speaker 3: don't want to know.
Speaker 2: I get it. There's enough there, there's a I think
Speaker 2: maybe because there is enough, and it's perfectly fine to
Speaker 2: have some things be open to no explanation, right, or
Speaker 2: they're just there because you have to suspend your disbelief
Speaker 2: a little bit, of course. But yeah, I think like I, yeah,
Speaker 2: they they they're very preachy about like, oh, we're letting
Speaker 2: a member, we're letting a new godhead, like we're letting
Speaker 2: a new We don't know how this gets voted on though.
Speaker 3: Neither do they, And I think, yeah, as I read.
Speaker 2: Well, they said every two hundred and sixteen years or
Speaker 2: something like that, but.
Speaker 3: It's like a new one. It's like again, I think,
Speaker 3: I guess I only really made this connection just today.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think the not knowing is what
Speaker 3: makes it impactful horror for me, because you know, if
Speaker 3: you look at something like true crime or whatever, like
Speaker 3: you can go back and you can look at that
Speaker 3: person and you know what kind of childhood they had,
Speaker 3: what kind of you know, situations they found themselves in
Speaker 3: their lives when something and like that's the case with
Speaker 3: most horror movies too. They are so determined to tell
Speaker 3: a backstory that justifies why that creature or person is
Speaker 3: the way they are. Where is it this Because you.
Speaker 2: Don't know, it's more powerful, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like it's the Jaws thing, right.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I say it's Jaws approach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the scary The things that you don't see,
Speaker 3: the things that you don't understand, are the scariest. And
Speaker 3: so because your mind just fills in the blanks exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would also say like a part of it as
Speaker 1: well as like and Jeff, I'm sure you get this
Speaker 1: from like working on your comic.
Speaker 2: At some point you have to.
Speaker 1: Stop explaining things and at some point like which is
Speaker 1: better an explanation of where the bail it comes from,
Speaker 1: or like a piece of ch scene of character work,
Speaker 1: or like plot development, or like backstory. It's like you're
Speaker 1: always kind of like having to make those calls about like, well,
Speaker 1: which thing is more important to show in this chapter
Speaker 1: because you're working with limited resources. Sure, yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: Guts makes it back from his hand pillar his unsuccessful
Speaker 1: hand pillar expedition, and is met with a literal pool
Speaker 1: of blood. He is knee deep in the blood of
Speaker 1: the band of the Hall and it is fucking gnarly.
Speaker 2: It is really bad. Oh yeah, just sort of waiting
Speaker 2: around there. Yeah, not great.
Speaker 1: He meets everyone's favorite band of the Hawk member Gaston
Speaker 1: a right mm hm, who's totally fine except for when
Speaker 1: his brain explodes into a horrible monster.
Speaker 2: It is because someone was like in there, right yep?
Speaker 2: Is that the idea? Okay?
Speaker 1: Cool? And we then see Pippin, who is also totally fine,
Speaker 1: only he's not. He's been got by the same monster
Speaker 1: that tried to get Ricker in the in the bonfire scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah get it. No, Rickort is not here. No, he
Speaker 2: gets it off screen. Oh good, he gets he gets
Speaker 2: it off screen.
Speaker 4: I imagine it doesn't he get got.
Speaker 1: Rickert does not get got is still alive?
Speaker 2: Who do you think tells the story? True?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Things get worse and worse, and it's eventually it's
Speaker 1: just Guts alone fighting what feels like a thousand monsters
Speaker 1: who are all just holding casca. And there's some very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable shots where it looks like these monsters are about
Speaker 1: to do some real bad ship to a naked Casca,
Speaker 1: and that's when the egg of the King cracks and
Speaker 1: femtoe emerges.
Speaker 3: Like a little baby bird emerging from his egg.
Speaker 2: I thought he'd be bigger, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Isn't it scarier when they're not.
Speaker 2: Huge fast thing? Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's like it's first a big monster and then it
Speaker 1: becomes your size and that's worse.
Speaker 2: He's just he's just super shredder. That's kind of good
Speaker 2: and why why is that a bad thing? Jeff?
Speaker 1: Kevin Nash did not give the performance of a lifetime
Speaker 1: for you to dismiss him like that.
Speaker 2: Very good pull there, thank you, John. I I do
Speaker 2: like that his prisoner helmet is part of his new
Speaker 2: get up. I think that's pretty sick.
Speaker 3: I also love that he's got like bitchy purple lipsick.
Speaker 4: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, look we can all agree fourteen seconds. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great design and amazing first impression and things
Speaker 1: go dramatically downhill from there.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, ok sounds like the name of an orange drink.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's only so much of this scene
Speaker 1: I want to describe, but he basically takes casket and
Speaker 1: kisses her, and it's so horrible because it's like the
Speaker 1: kiss kind of like it pans upward and when when
Speaker 1: Femto's eye comes into frame. It's the Griffith eye, like
Speaker 1: the intense I am about to do something fucking insane.
Speaker 2: I and then you know, the thing in Berserk happens.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, but we we didn't talk about what Guts
Speaker 2: had to do.
Speaker 1: So Guts is watching this and then once the thing
Speaker 1: starts to happen, he takes the sword and begins stabbing
Speaker 1: at the monster who's biting into his arm, before realizing
Speaker 1: he can't hurt this monster, and then just gouging at
Speaker 1: his own arm, and he's what all this.
Speaker 2: Is like forever the most this show has ever and
Speaker 2: this show has stayed on shots for a while. Okay,
Speaker 2: this show makes a meal out of a lot. They
Speaker 2: stay on this act for what feels like an eternity.
Speaker 2: The first time I actually did just have to like
Speaker 2: look away because this show's not as gory, right, Like
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just like oh, spray blabs,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's just a lot of that, but
Speaker 2: they leave nothing to the imagination here.
Speaker 1: No, and then it's horrible, like it's just Taska is
Speaker 1: being assaulted. Guts eventually like cuts off his own arm
Speaker 1: to try and save her. He is then immediately brought
Speaker 1: down by a bunch of demons, and it's he just
Speaker 1: has to watch like the person he loves go through this,
Speaker 1: and you feel terrible for Caska, you feel terrible for Guts.
Speaker 1: It's an awful scene. One of the monster's claws slides
Speaker 1: into Guts's eye and destroys it.
Speaker 3: Gouts, screams his head and forcing him to watch.
Speaker 2: Yep, and then it's just like the end.
Speaker 1: We flash to white cut to credits, so yeah.
Speaker 2: The end, so yeah, watch it.
Speaker 4: It's all a dream.
Speaker 2: God, I'm happy with this happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Goots waking up being like oh, and Cask being like,
Speaker 1: come on, knock ahead, we got a battle to get to.
Speaker 2: No, No, they're actually in they're in nineteen seventy six
Speaker 2: and they're married with seven kids, and Guts just like
Speaker 2: accidentally hit himself in the head with a hammer and
Speaker 2: is just like, you've been out for like four hours,
Speaker 2: did you have any weird dreams? Yep? And Gus is
Speaker 2: like Caska, you wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: And then that's Griffith and Pippin and.
Speaker 2: Yep, the end Caucus, the end part two. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: is the after credit scene? For real?
Speaker 1: The after credit scene is with Godeau the Blacksmith, and
Speaker 1: it's him and Guts, and Guts has a new big
Speaker 1: sword and it's GOODO saying don't get yourself killed, and
Speaker 1: Uh one eyed Guts, one eyed, one armed Guts walks
Speaker 1: out into UH into the world. He read that he
Speaker 1: survives him and both survive.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, what.
Speaker 1: So, Jeff, we can do whatever you want here, buddy.
Speaker 1: We can tell you as much about Brazik as little
Speaker 1: we can leave it.
Speaker 2: I want to know everything. I want to know everything
Speaker 2: because I'm just like, I'm just I've had my feel like,
Speaker 2: I feel good. I ate well, you know, like.
Speaker 4: You have no intention to carry on here?
Speaker 2: I'm not is there any It's only manga. It's not
Speaker 2: like video, Like I can't watch it, okay, So to
Speaker 2: lay it on me, and maybe we should like give
Speaker 2: our listeners a bit of.
Speaker 3: Spoilers in the description when we'll stop talking about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we discussed the events that go beyond the
Speaker 2: anime here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, I guess just to give you some
Speaker 1: scope here, Jeff. The Eclipse ends around chapter eighty eight,
Speaker 1: and there are three hundred and sixty four chapters of
Speaker 1: the Oh Yeah, what what you are in like the
Speaker 1: first quarter of the story.
Speaker 4: You're in the setup for the series.
Speaker 1: Yes, the baby you have just beaten the tutorial of Berserk.
Speaker 2: Yes, well I assume that like oh guts and like
Speaker 2: Femto are gonna fight more like I assume that was
Speaker 2: going to happen, well in the future. Want to hear
Speaker 2: the real.
Speaker 1: Tragedy That fight never happened and Miura died.
Speaker 2: Oh but not because it wasn't going to happen, just
Speaker 2: because the author died. Yes, that's sad.
Speaker 4: It doesn't even else to the point where it's like
Speaker 4: looking like it could happen soon.
Speaker 2: No. No, but he's around in the way that like
Speaker 2: Dio is around right, like I'm assuming.
Speaker 4: See much of him.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he does does do stuff like there
Speaker 1: is good, yeah for sure. But like so in the
Speaker 1: so you know, in the twenty years, Berserk would go
Speaker 1: on these massive hiatuses and like years could go by
Speaker 1: and there would be no new Berserk and people would
Speaker 1: think it was over, and then a new chapter would
Speaker 1: drop and this went on years and like every.
Speaker 4: Time chapter it would be like ten pages.
Speaker 1: And it's literally like I remember one time a chapter
Speaker 1: dropped and people were so desperate for the story to
Speaker 1: keep going, and the chapter was basically just Goods kicking
Speaker 1: the shit out of a bunch of ghost pirates.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I'm imagining. I'm just guessing here. I'm imagining
Speaker 2: like Kaska has like a demon baby. She does she does. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I mean, I think that's like I would have
Speaker 2: done it.
Speaker 3: After the eclipse is basically catatonic, and because they're both branded,
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, demons will kind of descend upon them,
Speaker 3: and so for Guts, it's like finding a place to
Speaker 3: keep her safe. But she's also terrified of anyone, everyone, everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Like she can't speak anymore. She becomes like
Speaker 1: just a different character.
Speaker 4: She's mentally broken, like she's a different like she's everything
Speaker 4: you know about Costco is gone, and seventy chapters of that,
Speaker 4: Like what.
Speaker 3: Misty Valley. The thing is is that a lot of
Speaker 3: people actually say the Misty Valley stuff that happens like
Speaker 3: not long after the eclipse, I guess is like some
Speaker 3: of the best stuff in Berserk, which is really fucking cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's so basically like Jeff, what happens here as well,
Speaker 1: is that the entire state of the world changes. Now
Speaker 1: demons exist in the real world, Okay.
Speaker 4: The fabric between them is it's just like this the
Speaker 4: event this eclipses. What kind of ripped it away?
Speaker 2: Does that? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then much later on the state of the world
Speaker 1: changes as well, and it becomes like fantasy, as in,
Speaker 1: like there are dragons and unicorns and all this weird
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's so good. But sorry, Lucy, I
Speaker 1: interrupted you there, what were you saying?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say the Misty Valley stuff is so
Speaker 3: of my favorite because it's it's a little monster of
Speaker 3: the weakish. But it is kind of to what John
Speaker 3: was saying about the state of the world changing, where
Speaker 3: it's like these events just happen, so guts stumble any
Speaker 3: Oh and Puck is also there. You miss all the
Speaker 3: shit with Puck. Who's the little fairy?
Speaker 2: And how long does it?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: And obviously you know he passed away, right, so it's over.
Speaker 1: It is being written by his best friend.
Speaker 3: Who he he told me he told the ending to
Speaker 3: and work with them for years, right, they worked together.
Speaker 1: They were they were buddies. So his best friends is
Speaker 1: the person he based Griffith off.
Speaker 3: Whoa, my god, and then what now?
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about this because like I don't
Speaker 1: like to be a downer about this stuff. I have
Speaker 1: read a decent amount of like post Mirror Berserk.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: It's it's just I didn't even get not what Berserk
Speaker 1: is to me, Like it's just it's not very good.
Speaker 1: And well it's not that it's very good, it's just
Speaker 1: not for me, Like it's just the ship that I
Speaker 1: love about Berserk feels like it's kind of gotcha gone.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so okay, So if I did want
Speaker 2: to start reading the rest of it, what am I
Speaker 2: looking at here?
Speaker 1: Honestly, Jeff, I would just start from chapter one.
Speaker 4: I would start.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: No, I mean this thing was like you'll get some
Speaker 3: stuff about seeing Guts with his cool ass arm gun
Speaker 3: cannon thing.
Speaker 2: Oh right, because he definitely has to have like a
Speaker 2: like a like an ash thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, So by starting from the beginning, remember it's not
Speaker 4: chronologically told, so you won't be seeing everything in the
Speaker 4: exact same order.
Speaker 2: Is like, got it?
Speaker 4: You you start off much further than you've seen most things.
Speaker 3: Just for the artwork, because.
Speaker 4: It is also remember like everything you've seen is a
Speaker 4: handful of chapters, but you I don't care everything that
Speaker 4: you've experienced in like a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and you guys have also filled in
Speaker 2: some of the cracks you know offline too. I do
Speaker 2: think it's maybe a thing I'll do. I want to
Speaker 2: get a sense of like what exactly how long a
Speaker 2: chapter is reading time wise, but it's like minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like a comic book. The comic book, this
Speaker 2: short comics. Okay, cool, so it's manageable and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think you've told me so much that it's
Speaker 2: like I can't read this, Like I'm perfectly cool with
Speaker 2: how this is gone. So maybe it's the thing I do.
Speaker 2: But wow, holy shit.
Speaker 4: You know what you can get, Jeff. You can get
Speaker 4: the deluxe prints, which are these huge, leather bound, super
Speaker 4: high quality, incredible versions of I'll put a Lincoln.
Speaker 3: They also on the internet, j Yeah, if.
Speaker 4: You want to read them back, yeah, but if you
Speaker 4: want an actual thing thing these are. I've got all
Speaker 4: of them and they are phenomenal.
Speaker 2: God damn, that's sick. I was just that I was
Speaker 2: that I saw this. I was at Keno Kunia, that
Speaker 2: place you and I went to John. Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was there a couple of weeks ago and I saw
Speaker 2: these the luxe ones. Yeah, these are good, that's cool.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they are just on the internet. We're very
Speaker 4: easy to find.
Speaker 2: Are there are any other questions you'd like to know
Speaker 2: about Berserk? Jeff, Oh, gosh, I don't think so. You know, again,
Speaker 2: my position still stands like the you know, the fact
Speaker 2: that where this anime leaves us and the celebration of
Speaker 2: this thing, I am still left a bit off by it.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean I did not thoroughly enjoy it. I
Speaker 2: absolutely did. I think there is just some like even
Speaker 2: where Cowboy Bebop ended, and not that we should be
Speaker 2: comparing these two things because they're just you know, they're
Speaker 2: their own things, you know. I think there's something that
Speaker 2: broke my kind of like connection of like, wow, this
Speaker 2: is so terrible and so beloved and that is just
Speaker 2: strange on his face to me.
Speaker 1: So here's here's what I'd say with that, Jeff. To me, like,
Speaker 1: there are people who love Berserk upen until this point
Speaker 1: and see everything after this as like not as good,
Speaker 1: And to me, that is fucking insane, because what I
Speaker 1: think Berserk is is about like finding your place in
Speaker 1: the world and then realizing that, like you can be
Speaker 1: happy in a way that you never thought you could be.
Speaker 1: Losing that losing all hope, the worst thing imaginable happening you,
Speaker 1: and then slowly you come back from that, and then
Speaker 1: slowly you meet people who mean as much to you
Speaker 1: as the old people did, and kind of finding your
Speaker 1: peace within that as opposed to like leaning into the
Speaker 1: pain or the anger of it all, or like the loss.
Speaker 1: It's like moving on and finding your new kind of family,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of that's a big part of the
Speaker 1: journey that Guts goes on from here, and it's slow,
Speaker 1: but like my favorite page in Berserk is this moment
Speaker 1: where it's like Gut's kind of walking along the beach
Speaker 1: with like these new people and he kind of just
Speaker 1: looks around and he's like, oh, fuck, like I really
Speaker 1: care about these guys, and it is like one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful moments of storytelling I think you can have,
Speaker 1: like after everything he's been through and after everything he's lost.
Speaker 1: And that is why like I'm okay with the eclipse
Speaker 1: in retrospect, because ultimately I think it is justified when
Speaker 1: you see where the story goes, especially when you see
Speaker 1: like the effect it has on Caska and what she
Speaker 1: has to go through to kind of come back from that. Like,
Speaker 1: it's right, it makes good in the long term, but
Speaker 1: I can absolutely understand it being off putting in the
Speaker 1: here and now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just hearing that it is essentially not
Speaker 2: a setup, but it is it does in some way
Speaker 2: serve as that as a mechanism for that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you even said it yourself to him, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of just a setup for what else happens.
Speaker 2: That's just it's like astonishing. But yeah, I I I'm
Speaker 2: so glad to have been exposed to this and experience it.
Speaker 2: And it's just it does also feel like I'm now
Speaker 2: in a club that I was not in before, and
Speaker 2: for that, I think that fucking rules. So yeah, well
Speaker 2: it's it's a club where we're happy to have you in. Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone's trying to offload the truck. What
Speaker 2: it feels like, Yeah, totally, I will. I will give
Speaker 2: her this curse for sure. Indeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, So where does that leave us? Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's the thing you never want to hear from a
Speaker 1: podcast that you enjoy. But truth listener is that we've
Speaker 1: kind of been talking the last couple of weeks and
Speaker 1: we feel maybe that Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure has reached
Speaker 1: the end of its journey. Like I'll be honest, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of different, like smaller factors that
Speaker 1: kind of contributed to this. Like I think all our
Speaker 1: lives are in like a very different place now than
Speaker 1: when we started this podcast. And like, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, like the the split, the thing that happened
Speaker 1: with Giant Bomb complicated things and made things difficult in
Speaker 1: a way that's like, you know, difficult to get into.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure that if you've been following along,
Speaker 1: you've noticed how infrequent the uploads have gotten and how
Speaker 1: difficult that has been. And you know, a large part
Speaker 1: of that is just four very busy people across three
Speaker 1: different timeframes. And to me, I guess I feel like
Speaker 1: I would like to end this show on a high
Speaker 1: where like everything was good and we have so many
Speaker 1: good memories of it, rather than I guess, trying to
Speaker 1: drag it out and applying pressure to it, which can
Speaker 1: you know, cause all kinds of problems as well and
Speaker 1: the yeah, it's it fucking sucks. But I guess, like
Speaker 1: my prevailing feeling is I'm just really glad that we
Speaker 1: got to do it for as long as we did.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's there's so much to be able to look
Speaker 2: back at and be happy about and proud of. I
Speaker 2: could not agree more for sure, the.
Speaker 3: Goofs, the gaffs, the gufts, introducing Jeff to anime, and
Speaker 3: I think I think, like perfect picks, by the way,
Speaker 3: you got to do something very different with each.
Speaker 2: One, kind of undefeated with those selections.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Yeah, I still think of the moment
Speaker 1: Jeff use the term turn based cartoons and thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be, this is gonna work.
Speaker 2: We're going to get some stuff here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, like I just I really hope
Speaker 1: people enjoyed the podcast, and you know, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of want to say, and maybe
Speaker 1: I will save that till next time, because this is
Speaker 1: not the last episode. This is the second last episode,
Speaker 1: and we thought it only appropriate two ends Jeff Jeff's
Speaker 1: Bizarre Adventure on Is it our first ever film?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, film.
Speaker 2: We we flirted with the idea before, but this is
Speaker 2: the first time we'll actually go through with it.
Speaker 1: We are going to watch the Cowboy Bebop movie Stairway
Speaker 1: to Heaven and send off.
Speaker 3: I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just like a great episode to Cowboy Bebup
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: That's just what it is. That's what I want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when was this made?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I can't remember specifically when it was made, but it
Speaker 1: takes place before the final episode of Cowboy Bebup and
Speaker 1: before that final two parter.
Speaker 2: I believe. Cool. Okay, that's all I need going in.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Not quite sure when that will be out. I am
Speaker 1: pretty busy over the next little while, but it will
Speaker 1: Look we're going to tie this off by the end
Speaker 1: of the year for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a commitment we can make. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, guys, I hope this isn't too much of
Speaker 1: a bomber for people. Again, just want to thank everyone
Speaker 1: for listening. This was like, honestly like dream come true
Speaker 1: podcast for me, and I've really bummed its ending, but
Speaker 1: also just so thankful that I got to become close
Speaker 1: with the people I did over the course of this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well said, absolutely couldn't agree more. Really an
Speaker 2: amazing experience also with you know, like, how many years
Speaker 2: was it? Three? Right? Three years? You think about all
Speaker 2: that time spent together, How great that is that we
Speaker 2: have that, and just being able to grow as friends
Speaker 2: and as co hosts and and create a thing that
Speaker 2: is so much fun and such a thing. I would
Speaker 2: look forward to doing all good things.
Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, going out kind of ridiculous that
Speaker 3: we announced that we're into the podcast after the eclipse.
Speaker 1: We didn't think that one, ebodys, but.
Speaker 3: No, to echo what you both said, it's been such
Speaker 3: a highlight and I'm so glad we got to do
Speaker 3: it and just hang out. I'm so glad we got
Speaker 3: to hang out in person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a bunch of live ones as wild yeah,
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that was great.
Speaker 1: Be guys, We will see you for our final goodbye
Speaker 1: next time Cowboy beab ups Stairway to Heaven.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah bye