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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jeff Jeff's bizarre adventure Berserk Gaiden final episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it, We finally made it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here and we have done it with our intrepid

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<v Speaker 1>band of the Hawk. To my left, uh, Commander Lucy James.

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<v Speaker 3>Yay, oh god, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just life everywhere. Maybe to my right, co commander, it's

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<v Speaker 1>two more.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, Everything is fine, nothing bad can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>With us, as always, Squire Jeff Backler, Hi, stay boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff back Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the way you could have said that, like

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<v Speaker 3>right at the.

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<v Speaker 1>End of the episode, looks into the camera and he goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that happened. He looks into the camera and then

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<v Speaker 2>it just goes boom boom boom bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he looks into the camera and the music stuffs.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, well, I guess you're wondering how I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up in this situation.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, mondays, am I right, Yeah, I love lasagna.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Something else it is we're flirting with Cannon

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<v Speaker 2>and lore that anyway anyway, Garfield Golfield serious, No, no one,

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<v Speaker 2>no one does anything with Garfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Always do And I guess played with the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>making a video called I read all fourteen thousand Garfield comics, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you realize you have to read all fourteen thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I would, and like three thousands took like four days.

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<v Speaker 2>You should you should do?

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<v Speaker 4>I read all fourteen thousand Garfield comics and all fourteen

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and one Piece comics. Is which one's better?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the film Nail is like Garfield's like

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<v Speaker 1>having just defeated Loofy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that could be pretty fair. Year's funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>got I got a question. How do we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the final three episodes after seeing the last ten minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Like, how do you even

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<v Speaker 2>get there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jeff, I actually have a question for you that

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of been i'm gonna say, haunting me for

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<v Speaker 1>the last three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Okay, I want to hear that. Obviously, I

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<v Speaker 2>too have been haunted.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, when did you watch the episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you give us the timeline of when? How long

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<v Speaker 3>you've been this morning? Okay? And these thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, I've been dreading it too. I've been dreading

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<v Speaker 2>it for numerous reasons. Okay, take us through them. The

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<v Speaker 2>first reason is because I've been unable to avoid knowing

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<v Speaker 2>just by virtue of existing and living my life that

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<v Speaker 2>something's coming okay, and it didn't happen. In the last

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<v Speaker 2>podcast episode where we covered episodes twenty one in twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just through osmosis, have been able to absorb

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that, like I, you know, I'm not ready

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<v Speaker 2>for this thing. Lucy goes, hey, don't let Stacy watch

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<v Speaker 2>this with you. I go, okay, now I'm trembling. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trembling over this news.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry for doing you, and sorry for doing your marriage

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<v Speaker 3>of favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff she I think she would have been okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>but thank you for your compassion and foresight. Tam bought

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<v Speaker 2>me a T shirt many many months ago that was

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<v Speaker 2>just like skull fuckery. I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was completely it was pretty metal, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of this is kind of dope. There

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<v Speaker 2>was like a dude on there who looked like a

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<v Speaker 2>Mars Attacks alien and I'm like, I'm like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck I'm And in my back of my mind, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I the second you gave me this shirt, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, there's no way this isn't like exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>brazerk ends I'm like, there's just so in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, like the whole world turns

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<v Speaker 2>inside out and you know, Griffith becomes this exposed brain

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<v Speaker 2>person and all of it, and I'm like genuinely kind

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<v Speaker 2>of terrified because I'm just like, oh, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to like see this transformation. I don't want to like

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<v Speaker 2>see this happen because presumably I'm looking at like the

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<v Speaker 2>finale here, and what I know now, especially when I

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<v Speaker 2>got the shirt, was like, ah, things are kinda they're gruesome,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're just sort of just sort of like Game

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<v Speaker 2>of Thrones gruesome, you know. And I'm just like, you

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing really to worry about. And then to see

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<v Speaker 2>that like nobody you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna like

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<v Speaker 2>traverse dimensions and time and space, that was very scary

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<v Speaker 2>to me, And up until this morning in the pit

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<v Speaker 2>of my stomach, I've been, uh, I've been scared. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been a little like a you know, is the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing I thought about last night before I went to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, Fuck, you're gonna have to wake up and

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<v Speaker 2>watch these last three episodes of Berserk. Who knows what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of traumatic shit, I'm gonna see and uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, did not disappoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's okay. So what I remember I have been

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<v Speaker 1>haunted by your words last episode where you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, Stacy's really enjoying USERK as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been very weird. Also, schedules didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>She couldn't she couldn't be around okay this morning for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like Jeff, I met Stacy and I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was a terrific woman. I really really liked her, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that we really got on. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>this horrible vision of you and Stacy watching that last

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes and then the credits hit and Stacy just

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<v Speaker 1>turns to you and goes and John recommended.

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<v Speaker 2>This this is what your friend John wants us watching. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because so.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'll notice, Jeff, we kind of spent a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years building you up to this, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a scenario I would hurl anyone into.

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<v Speaker 2>This Absolutely felt like, yeah, I will say this like

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like this. It felt like I was left

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<v Speaker 2>to my own devices in the deep end, right, It

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<v Speaker 2>felt like this entire series that we've done here was

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<v Speaker 2>all a sort of training montage for me to arrive

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<v Speaker 2>at this point where I'm left to be exposed to

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<v Speaker 2>what this show has to say, I guess and display

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<v Speaker 2>in such a really, really deeply fucked up way.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it is one of the most upsetting things in

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<v Speaker 1>media that I have ever ever watched. And like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>weird because I was kind of I saw screening a

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect Blue last Friday, and I love that film. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a great film, And it's weird because it

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<v Speaker 1>is just a harrowing, awful, like horrifying movie. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's things that are more explicit than Perfect Blue, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's very little that is a more like emotionally upsetting

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<v Speaker 1>than Perfect Blue. Berserk's kind of both, like you are

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<v Speaker 1>deeply invested in these characters and you love them and

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<v Speaker 1>you care about them and you want them to be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but you also the imagery you're seeing is still some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most fucked up imagery I have ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>So the one thing I want to say that is

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<v Speaker 2>on the top of my mind right now is like

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<v Speaker 2>I understand how deeply loved this thing is. I do

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<v Speaker 2>find it a bit odd that the way at least

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<v Speaker 2>this nineteen ninety seven anime series chooses to conclude and

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of like deepest, darkest depictions of what it depicts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, is sort of like how they choose

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<v Speaker 2>to roll the final scenes. It is. It just sits

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit strange with me with how wide spreadly

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like celebrated this thing is so even though

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<v Speaker 2>it is so gruesome and fucked up. Now contrast to

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<v Speaker 2>like the celebration of like a campy horror movie right

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, something like an Evil Dead, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like super gory, and but it's it has this self

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<v Speaker 2>awareness of this like sort of like campiness to it,

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<v Speaker 2>right where it's like, oh, we're having fun here, and berserk,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not having fun here. There's no fun. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>we are all like buying tickets to like the Gore Parade,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're just sort of like, hooray, we all love

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. And there's something in my mind that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't kind of like jump over. I can't sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, vault over the fact of like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, what is wrong with everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>The first the first time I experienced the eclipse.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Jesus Christ is that what it's called. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>the Eclipse. No, I know, it's just like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>just funny, okay, people experiencing the eclipse trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've talked about a plenty in these in the

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast, But like I am. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a double feature and saw the first two Berserk movies,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which takes you right up until Guts leaves

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<v Speaker 1>the Band of the Hawk, and then like the new

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<v Speaker 1>movie wasn't out yet, and I did that. That was

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<v Speaker 1>all I knew of Berserk, and I went around telling

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<v Speaker 1>everyone like Berserk fucking rules. Everyone needs to check this out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good. And then eventually the third movie came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I downloaded it. I waited till I was lone one night,

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<v Speaker 1>poured myself with glass whiskey and was like time to

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<v Speaker 1>reunite with my friends in the Band of Hawk. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like horrified and like yeah, disappointed, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, they fucking ruined the whole series, Like

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<v Speaker 1>the Band of the Hawk are all dead, griffit's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy, like Guts as fucked. Cask is like just destroyed,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I spent a couple of days being like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mad, about it, like the direction of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is not the Berserk that I love,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And again, yeah, this was the this was

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<v Speaker 1>the films, And in the film you don't have that prelude,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have the bit where you see guts in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, and no one ever gave me a God

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<v Speaker 1>hands tea, Jeff, So I had no idea this shit

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<v Speaker 1>was coming, and I was like bothered, Like I was

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, I thought less of Berserk because this

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<v Speaker 1>thing happened. And a part of that was just I

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<v Speaker 1>hated seeing the characters that I'd grown so fond of

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<v Speaker 1>go through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you. It sounds like you felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't earn that, right, Like it didn't earn to

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<v Speaker 2>end the way it did for you, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>that like part of it, because.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I just didn't see why we were doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just felt like abjectly cruel.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, It's weird how it does sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>bookend with this like demonry, right like it do you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you spent a lot of the meat of this

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<v Speaker 2>sandwich just not thinking or worrying about you know, monsters, monsters.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas that today I read the manga fas so for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like it introduces monsters and then they go

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<v Speaker 3>away for a long time when you go yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>back in time, and so for me, I was just like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a really weird opening and that's not really

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<v Speaker 3>now it's about political and machinations in this war, and

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<v Speaker 3>then oh, wait Zod is here or whatever, and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think in the manga the way you read it,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a lot The manga feels a lot crueler in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the world that you are in and the

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<v Speaker 3>things that the characters come up against. It feels a

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<v Speaker 3>lot crueler. And obviously the anime has to leave a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff out, covers a lot of it. But like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, there's you know, there's that character we

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<v Speaker 1>The Folk depart Chef. Like you were experiencing the light

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so very light. Yeah. I mean, my mind can wander.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I can square where we go here. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this so this isn't all of Berzerk, right, Let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's get to that at the end. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm okay if you tell me exactly everything else

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<v Speaker 2>that happens. Okay, well maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not where the movies end, because.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie ends exactly where the anime ends. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like them basically there maybe maybe maybe there's like

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes extra in there with Skull Night, Lucy, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>So the there's two movies three okay, we' I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would say there's some there's some Jankee three D in

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<v Speaker 1>those movies, but there's a lot of good ship as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they cover.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much exactly what we just watched in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, oh boy, I we'll get We'll get that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to it. Just might like there were okay, look,

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<v Speaker 1>truth be told, there was an element for me where

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<v Speaker 1>And that lasted precisely up until Stacey became involved, and

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no, huh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually I was gonna message you, Jeff and

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<v Speaker 1>you did, Lucy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, like I still want to show it to

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<v Speaker 2>her though, because I just I just wanted to. I

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is this is the art that's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? Like I want her to be

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to it, you know, yeah, yeah, your immediate life

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<v Speaker 2>to share the horror of it with. Yeah, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>need to almost Like you're right, dam I have to

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't even I've ever watched Berserk through at Michelle,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, she was bought in at the end of that

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<v Speaker 2>episode twenty one, I'll tell you. I mean, it's fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>story like it was good. Yeah, yeah, little did she know.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, speaking of being bought in, it's the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of episode twenty three, and nothing relatively bad has happened yet,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in context to what's going to happen. We

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<v Speaker 1>with Griffith, and I don't think it's really set in

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<v Speaker 1>for any of them how bad a shape Griffith is

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<v Speaker 1>in yet. And I love this episode. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a there's so much to this episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so tragic and sad, especially as you really, like,

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<v Speaker 1>the Band of Hawk go from realizing Griffith's back and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's going to be amazing to Griffith's never coming back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not the way they knew him. How'd you

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<v Speaker 1>guys feel about this episode?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty good because I think it

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<v Speaker 2>sets in place like this immovable plot porm. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think for me it was more just like how are

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<v Speaker 3>you going to fit all of it in? Genuinely, last

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<v Speaker 3>night when I booted up my Sony PlayStation five, put

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<v Speaker 3>the disk in, even just like lingering on the menu music,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just kind of sat with a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a dread and I had a glass of wine

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just sat there and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh God, like forcing myself to press play a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So for this episode, yeah, it was more that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of impending doom and every I think for me, as

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<v Speaker 3>someone who knew what was going to happen, it just

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<v Speaker 3>makes you like really focus in on those moments between

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<v Speaker 3>all the characters, especially as they're talking about what their

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<v Speaker 3>future could have been, what their future is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be now, and you as the viewer, and certainly them

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<v Speaker 3>as the characters, have absolutely no idea what the hell

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<v Speaker 3>is coming. And it's just like watching a car crash

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<v Speaker 3>in slow motion.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, yeah, it's just bad to worse in it,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know that it's going to get worse and worse,

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<v Speaker 4>like this is, it doesn't end. I think the interesting

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<v Speaker 4>thing about it is if you have any sort of

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<v Speaker 4>media literacy, you start to in your brain reconcile the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that traditional story structures, given where you are in

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<v Speaker 4>the series, should dictate that things start getting better. But

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like as you get closer and closerly and

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<v Speaker 4>nothing gets better. And that's where that kind of sense

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<v Speaker 4>of dread that Jeff talked about came from comes from.

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<v Speaker 4>For a lot of people that experienced it for the

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<v Speaker 4>first time, it's a not understand It breaks the rules

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<v Speaker 4>of narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I remember when I was saying like where

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<v Speaker 1>I had no context as to where this was going.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching this part of the story and being

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, But then so like I think, how does Griffith,

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<v Speaker 1>How's Griffith going to recover? How's our how's our boy

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<v Speaker 1>gonna rally.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's the same with the manga as well,

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<v Speaker 4>where it's like you reach, you know, you're reaching towards

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<v Speaker 4>the end of an arc and there's nothing uplifting happening

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<v Speaker 4>that will kind of propel you into And I think

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot of people this is their first experience

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<v Speaker 4>or back in the day was the first experience of

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<v Speaker 4>breaking the boundaries of what manga and anime traditionally are

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<v Speaker 4>because everyone kind of has the same on ramp where

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<v Speaker 4>it's a bunch of fun, cutesy ideas and concepts, and

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<v Speaker 4>then eventually, just through gravitational pull, everyone makes their way

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<v Speaker 4>to berserk and this is how it This is the

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<v Speaker 4>first time I think that it kind of creates the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that anime can be much much more than what

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<v Speaker 4>we're used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. It's it's it's sort of like the

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<v Speaker 2>end is just like a black hole and you just

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<v Speaker 2>realize like, oh, like you're just circling the drain, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the end. The end is the event horizon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for enough go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was gonna say, like, for a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people in the West, this is something I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 4>about for a while. But like people who don't watch

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<v Speaker 4>animeo or read manga, I feel like this feeling that

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<v Speaker 4>you're feeling, Jeff, and the feeling that we probably felt

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<v Speaker 4>the first time we do it, it's what they experience

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<v Speaker 4>when they watch Game of Thrones, you know, that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of feeling nothing, something is not quite right in every scene.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that if so, if anyone is listening

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't have that frame of reference and you have

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<v Speaker 4>seen it, that is what it feels like where this

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<v Speaker 4>is effectively the Red Weddings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do think, oh, sorry, John, there you go ahead, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think the quote unquote just really maybe watered

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit, like bad endings, right, Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>do think like that has become much more of an

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<v Speaker 2>acceptable kind of like variable in storytelling in the last

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe thirty forty years or so, where Like I've

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<v Speaker 2>just seen a lot more examples of that that have

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<v Speaker 2>deviated away from the traditional kind of like hey, here

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<v Speaker 2>are the stakes here, how we overcome persevere? So I

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<v Speaker 2>do think, you know, I know this anime is at

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<v Speaker 2>least the anime that we watch is thirty years old, right, so, like,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly it was probably a lot of people's first exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to like not gonna be all sunshine and roses at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of this. But I do think, knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>I know about contemporary storytelling and being in the exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to like where things have quote unquote bad endings, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it prepares you in a certain way for

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff, and you have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>prepare yourself right mentally. But yeah, we're gonna stay John.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess when I watch like this in particular, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of feeling that, like you know, in so

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<v Speaker 1>many stories, there is the there's the message that like

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is good and that ultimately superior morality will

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<v Speaker 1>win out and everything will be okay. And that's always

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<v Speaker 1>like a safety net in stories. In a way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that's always like a kind of feeling that it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>things are only going to get so bad. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you watch something like Berserk and especially like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming out like in the nineties, and that safety

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<v Speaker 1>net isn't there. Things can get as bad as they

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<v Speaker 1>can possibly get, and you watch that happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's the fact that it's such an otherworldly

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<v Speaker 3>way for things to go bad there's always I think

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the rest of it, when you're talking about Shooter

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<v Speaker 3>and Midland, it still feels like the characters have an

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<v Speaker 3>element of control because they have Griffith as their safety net.

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<v Speaker 3>They have the ambitions of Kings and whatever is like

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<v Speaker 3>that is something that they can and then obviously on

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<v Speaker 3>the on the battlefield, that is something that they can control.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas the fact that this ending goes off the rails,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean that in the way where it's like

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<v Speaker 3>they have no control on that that they these are

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<v Speaker 3>like like these incredible beings. Like the size and the

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<v Speaker 3>scale that's messed around with too, It's like you may.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of anyone's control, And I think that's that's ultimately what

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<v Speaker 3>like as an adult, that's where anxiety stems from, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and like as kids too, it's like you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>control over a situation. I think that's why the Eclipse

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<v Speaker 3>is so effective in building that sense of anxiety, because

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<v Speaker 3>of how grand the scale is, but also just how

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<v Speaker 3>no one can do anything about it, Like it's just relentless.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment that Slam appears and she's like thee of

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<v Speaker 1>a skyscraper, it's just like oh, this isn't like a battle. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't this isn't a fight. Oh that's the big

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<v Speaker 1>the big lady, The big lady I liked, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I thought she was very better Jeff A couple.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very just like I was like, cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool wings, Stacy, get in here, you gotta see this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, look at hey, I thought, is it

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that she's like hundreds of feet tall? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that too. I like the you know, look, I also

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<v Speaker 2>like the screaming floors. We need more of that. We

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<v Speaker 2>need more squall thandless screaming floors.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus, and like the faces in the sky. Awesome, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I know we're jumping so but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll get to it. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to it. There's a moment very early on in episode

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three that I just find so sad, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>when the enemy guard captain basically kidnaps Griffith and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's your savior, and you just get this pathetic pan

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<v Speaker 1>up Griffith's body and it just leaves looks like no,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly he's he's he's several pepperami stripe tied together, and

421
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it leaves no illusions that like he is never going

422
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to be the same, ever, ever, ever, Yeah it is.

423
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 4>Again, it's there's a series of moments where you're like,

424
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 4>how do they how do they get out of this

425
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 4>pickle and make it happy again? And it's just this

426
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 4>is the first one where you're like, oh, I wonder

427
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.519
<v Speaker 4>how they're going to do this, and the slow realization

428
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.839
<v Speaker 4>that maybe they won't starts to come in to creep

429
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 4>into the mind.

430
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's the.

431
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.559
<v Speaker 4>Same thing that you What I love about it writing

432
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 4>wise Buff and the Mango and here is it's a

433
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.079
<v Speaker 4>power to what most of the band of Hawk are

434
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.279
<v Speaker 4>feeling in that moment. Certainly Caucus in the in these

435
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 4>final moments, the character that people the audience is likely

436
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 4>relating to most is Caucus, which is a great redemption

437
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 4>moment for him.

438
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 3>A Caucus is just saying what we're all.

439
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Thinking, Yeah he is, and we get with That scene

440
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>is followed by just a scene where everyone's just sitting

441
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>around at sunlight and like it's just it's setting in,

442
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Like what Griffith now is is setting in and Carcus

443
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>is like the last holdout. He's the last person to

444
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>be able to come to terms with Like, no, this

445
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is fucked, and it's I felt bad for Caucus. I

446
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>felt bad for Caucus.

447
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>In the last in the last moments too, for sure.

448
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so did you feel bad for Caucus? Which

449
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.839
<v Speaker 3>is maybe maybe you know that you know that person

450
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 3>we talked about last episode with the Reddit account, Yeah

451
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 3>you know. Can I see where they were coming from?

452
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.359
<v Speaker 3>Not in like the caucuses hot way, but like in a.

453
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Right understand why we should just dm that things don't

454
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 2>end well for you? Boy?

455
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 5>Okay, it was weird when that was his last line. Yeah,

456
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 5>how's Caucus going to get out of this one?

457
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>That was weird as well, wasn't it when you said

458
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:35.799
<v Speaker 1>that that's I can solve? But yeah, it's it just sucks.

459
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 1>And man, the fucking the scenes here between Kaska and Guts.

460
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, it's.

461
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 1>So awful, Like you can kind of see that there's

462
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>like a way out where they can both just leave

463
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and be happy together and it's what they want, but

464
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>they can't fucking do it.

465
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh it kills me. It actually, it makes me so sad.

466
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 1>I just want those kids be Okay.

467
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 3>The found each other and.

468
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and then I think the part I really

469
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 1>love about this section story as well is the little

470
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>bits where real Griffith is peeking through. Yes, like you

471
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>hear him, like you hear you see him. Hear those

472
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>two talk about like how they have to kind of

473
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>stay here for him because he is now so pathetic

474
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and cannot take care of himselves. And the look in

475
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>his eye is insane, like this is the most insulting

476
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 1>thing possible to Griffith.

477
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's the way that you know what is

478
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I have to change his bandages and he

479
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 3>falls on her, pushes it like I don't know energy,

480
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 3>and it's just like God, even then, he's just so pathetic.

481
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like the way the way that happens, and

482
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like she like even just puts her arm around him,

483
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>just being like it's okay. And it's like, oh, this

484
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 1>is so bad. Every part of this just sucks. But yeah,

485
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really just sad. And like I I think that

486
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 1>even in the anime version, they've really done the work

487
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to bring us here, Like you understand the tragedy from

488
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 1>every person's perspective of this, and I think it's it's great.

489
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I really really think it's so good.

490
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the framing in particular, whenever you know, when God's

491
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 3>and Cascar are kind of hugging and like talking closely

492
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 3>outside and they're just the way that he's Griffith's eye

493
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 3>is sort of framed looking through the tent, like the

494
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 3>opening of the tent, and you can just like wordlessly

495
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>understand it just how vehemently he hates God's Kaska himself

496
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 3>in that moment, his situation, and then yeah, every.

497
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Sense we're like, yeah, I think that's just gonna be

498
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 2>the name of this show episode. It's just U g H.

499
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>You's going to be that.

500
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Griff It starts to have like visions of his younger self,

501
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>but also like the nice he used to be, and

502
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the night's pretty much like, well, see you later, you're done,

503
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>You're you're gone, and oh man, it it's it's horrible.

504
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's that feeling of like I guess the

505
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you ever, it's the feeling of like, Okay, this is

506
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 1>going to be my future. I've got this plan, I'm

507
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 1>really invested in this relationship or a job or property

508
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>or just whatever, and you're like, this is what it's

509
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 1>going to be. And then it doesn't work out and

510
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 1>you have to let it go and it's so painful.

511
00:30:54.400 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 1>That is this scene like to a t Yeah, yeah,

512
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we get to me, like, what is one

513
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 1>of the most devastating scenes of the entirety of Berserk

514
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Alternate reality?

515
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 6>Caska and Griffith, Oh, yeah, trying to desperately not to

516
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 6>say that, but yeah, it's the life that they could

517
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 6>have if they just left it all behind.

518
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 3>He even says it. He's like, it would have been a

519
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 3>fine life.

520
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 1>That's the fucking tragedy here. They both would have been happy.

521
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>This would have been fine, Like, this would have been

522
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>they could have made it work, and like you know,

523
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>but then it's like there's like just these little pieces,

524
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like their son is called Guts.

525
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're like the little vestiges of the life that

526
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>they would never be able to let go of. And

527
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 3>like even Kashkascar, Oh, it's been a while since everyone visited.

528
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 3>I wonder what they're up to. Another kind of not

529
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.200
<v Speaker 3>a she wouldn't have meant it as a bar, but

530
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 3>it's absolutely not. He would take it, but it's a Hey,

531
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 3>your subordinates are all out there doing amazing things, and

532
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 3>look at you you can't even feed yourself.

533
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And she's talking about like can you believe we ever

534
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:16.559
<v Speaker 1>went on adventures? Like it's just oh, we think him

535
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 1>also Kaska as like a housemaiden. She looks sensational. Yes, yes, yep.

536
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 4>It's also weird because like that that it's weird to

537
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 4>see grif Griffith imagining that because that feels like a

538
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Kaska fantasy more than a Griffith fantasy. So whenever that

539
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 4>pops up on was just like, who's whose dream is this?

540
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I think that's that's one hundred percent Griffith. And

541
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's as like fantasy. I think it's

542
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 1>his mind like trying to find a way to accept

543
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>this future, and this little daydream is like the best

544
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>thing he the best scenario he can think of, like

545
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>in a realistic sense, and it's still not enough, like

546
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he would be happy is not enough,

547
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and fuck man, that is.

548
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Like messed up. It's like, oh, you think it's like

549
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>one last chance of rationalization, right, or like accept a

550
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>bit of like his flashing before his eyes all permutations

551
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>of like what else could be? And yeah, even that's

552
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>not enough, like you said, yeah, but.

553
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it just it just it kills me that not

554
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>even happiness is enough, not even contentment. It's like he

555
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>has to have more than that.

556
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>He says, He's like, this would have this could have

557
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>been all right. Yep Uh.

558
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>He wakes up from that dream, having crashed his carriage,

559
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 1>having a little little bailet appear in his soup, which

560
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>really grosses me out.

561
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>For some reason. It's funny that he the the way

562
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I did laugh. The way they animated him, kind of

563
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>being like ejected from the wagon, that was kind. They

564
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 2>just sort of have him like somersault in the air

565
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 2>with like one frame a second. I was just like, what, like,

566
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.320
<v Speaker 2>what are we doing? All right? I can't believe that

567
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>thing finds him? M h the Egg of the King, okay,

568
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have seen, like, I don't

569
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>know when when does he lose it? Someone pulls it

570
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 2>off his neck and throws it down the sewers to

571
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>do this fable and yeah, this is ugly. It clashes.

572
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Here's what it should have what we should have done here,

573
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Kaska should have like been holding on to it and

574
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 2>then think of how powerful would have been if like

575
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>she returns it to him right as he's having to

576
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>still make this conscious decision to be consumed by evil

577
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and take his you know, dark destiny and accept it.

578
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I just think, like it just finding I guess. But

579
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 2>the thing though, right, it's it's it's it's it's destiny, right,

580
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>like it's just gonna find him, right, I understand.

581
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there is a very famous line Tam, what

582
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is it? It's like, oh, you cannot reverse the flow

583
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of causality or something like that. But there is a

584
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 1>big part of this where this was always meant to happen.

585
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Right, which you still could have squared if Kaska was

586
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the one to return it to him, you know what

587
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

588
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 4>I think I think the the I think that would

589
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 4>have definitely worked, but it does rob it of the

590
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 4>like supernatural element of it, which I think is important

591
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 4>to maintain and even kind of amp up in these

592
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 4>final moments of.

593
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was waiting, I was like, how's this coming back? Then?

594
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Right like that the whole like I kind of made

595
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 2>this this. I was like, Okay, what are we going

596
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 2>to do? Like how what kind of fuckery will have

597
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 2>to happen for this thing to just like appear?

598
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, very Lord of the Rings.

599
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think this is what actually George George what's

600
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 4>his face token was inspired by the reader and was like.

601
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, specifically the nineties anime as well. Tim, Yeah, exactly,

602
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>he was dead by then. But it doesn't don't ask that, Ques.

603
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I like Jeff, I'm not a mathematician.

604
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if those dates are or not. But

605
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>like I'm saying, sounds right.

606
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 4>It sounds right, and it sounds cool.

607
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very it definitely sounds cool.

608
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh so then like you know, Griffith, he

609
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>finds he wakes up in a river and he just

610
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>looks down and his arm is fucked up, and yeah,

611
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>he just he has this moment of shock where he's

612
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>looking at his broken arm and then he just laughs

613
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, what else does he have? Like he's he's done,

614
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>he's gone, yeah, and he's.

615
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, where else is there to go for him?

616
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

617
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 1>He then decides to attempt to h as the kids

618
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>would say, un alive himself.

619
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the kids will say, he's chopped. Yeah, yeah, we

620
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 2>get washed Griffith. Here, he's so.

621
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Wide, he fell off so hot.

622
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did literally flop ear yeah m hm mm hmm.

623
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.199
<v Speaker 1>But he can't do it. He cannot take his own life,

624
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's like you can see that he even thinks

625
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 1>that's pathetic. He's like, Okay, I can't, I cannot even

626
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>do this, and it's it's horrible. And that's when he

627
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>looks down and he sees the little egg tangled up

628
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>in his.

629
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Fingers, you fucking little egg boy.

630
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>With thenbably get like one of the most famous panels

631
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>slash shots in Berserk, and it's Griffith holding out the

632
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 1>bail at the sunset and the background the spike that

633
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he was about to impale himself on that shot in

634
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the Like the panel of it is beautiful as well,

635
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 1>but that shot in the films is stunning. It's so gorgeous.

636
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>It's stunning here as well. But they're both. They're both

637
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 1>very good. Did you guys hear that?

638
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm glad this happened for you.

639
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 1>That's I'm doing this through stream Labs and basically you

640
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 1>can never whenever Excel a T shirt, I get a

641
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:44.760
<v Speaker 1>little notification.

642
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible the person who bought two items.

643
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. Let me let me let me see here.

644
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Shout outs to.

645
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Sky, I love everything you're chewing. Taking time for yourself

646
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and doing what you love will do. Skuy, Thank you.

647
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Very much, Thank you guy. It was a pleasure.

648
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Man. It really would be a shame if I sold

649
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt during an inappropriate moment.

650
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 3>At least it was now.

651
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>At least it was now it's a moving target here. Yeah.

652
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>The fact that that isn't the least inappropriate moment shows

653
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you what we're dealing with here. The band of Hawk

654
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>race towards Griffith and he activates the bail it. He's like,

655
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 1>you know what, fuck it?

656
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But how does he activate it? It just sort of

657
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>happens or he just like makes a blood yeah, because

658
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I realize he has a flashback and it's like, oh,

659
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to need your flesh and blood for this

660
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 2>thing to open up or whatever. But like, yeah, I

661
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 2>guess it's sort of like I think he says I

662
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>submit in the dub.

663
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he says something.

664
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Like he he definitely gives into it, and in doing so,

665
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I think the weird monster men start to appear before

666
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>he does that, if I'm not mistaken, and all these

667
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>naked monstrosities begin to kind of appear around him, and

668
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>then then the land completely transforms and we are teleported

669
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 1>basically to Hell, just this horrible nightmare place where both

670
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>the ground and the sky are filled with the giant

671
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>screaming faces. I love it. It's also one of the

672
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.679
<v Speaker 1>best depictions of Hell that I have seen in media.

673
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Is just yeah, I want my basement to look like this.

674
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>This is awesome. I thought, Yeah, I think it's cool.

675
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was cool as hell. Like it reminded

676
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 2>me of eternal Darkness a little bit, where like every

677
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 2>time you find the book The two, Yeah, the sort

678
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 2>of platform you must traverse is just like screaming souls

679
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's just like that fucking cool. It's fucking cool.

680
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Just from like a very heavy metal point of view.

681
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy that aesthetic news flash.

682
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.159
<v Speaker 4>On a T shirt like all around.

683
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like get like let me you know, let me emote.

684
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>You know.

685
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you who's not enjoying that pattern and it's

686
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 1>goods in the Band of the Hawk at the start

687
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of episode twenty.

688
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Four, certainly they are freaked out.

689
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:32.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm not enjoying that.

690
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>No, as God says, I'm not sure about this now.

691
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm not looking good. Lads, you got.

692
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 3>A bad feeling about this.

693
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 1>And this is where Slan appears, and I also like Slan.

694
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 1>I think Slan's cool. I always find it kind of

695
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.119
<v Speaker 1>weird that she shows up and she's like totally naked

696
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and then she has a little like kerchief, and of

697
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>course it.

698
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, when you're that tall, you don't care.

699
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess close work differently. I guess so I didn't

700
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>catch her name. Where did you catch her name? I

701
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>just know her name because that's her name, and they

702
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>don't mention it in the show. Okay, the manga.

703
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 3>In the manga, there's a panel and it has all

704
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 3>of them and has their names.

705
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You know. Her height sort of varies during the rest

706
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 2>of this couple episodes. Sometimes she looks a little smaller,

707
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>sometimes she looks a little bigger.

708
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 3>I think that's just the whole thing with all of them.

709
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like they can do that at will. They can

710
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 3>mess with the scale of.

711
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 2>What's what's brain Man's name?

712
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Brain Man's name, Larry, It's actually it's been the brain Man.

713
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Larry, the Brainman, Larry, Larry Brainman.

714
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:58.280
<v Speaker 4>No, I.

715
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Wid that's a disappointment.

716
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 4>Conrad. Conrad is the other one. Conrad and Ubik.

717
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a problem with Conrad and Ubik they look

718
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to the same. They look they look to the same.

719
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right. One is like a bigger version of

720
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>the other. And they both they both hold their hands

721
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>like this. Well you don't do that, you don't couple your.

722
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Well I do constantly, which is why I never want

723
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 1>to appear in a scene with these two, because people

724
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 1>would confuse us.

725
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Three of you. Then, yeah, I'm right in saying this.

726
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know if you picked up on it, Jeff,

727
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 4>But the void is the the voice over you hear

728
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 4>at the start of each episode.

729
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, damn it. I'm usually so good at that.

730
00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.639
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean you didn't catch that?

731
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 2>So so good at recognizing voices.

732
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I only realized that good enough this this watch through

733
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and I have watched this is like my third time

734
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.199
<v Speaker 1>watching Berserk, and I was like, wait a minute.

735
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, just wait a minute.

736
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it's also because like you see it, it's

737
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I've gone numb to it is what it is.

738
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

739
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm also fast forwarding that part. But like I feel like,

740
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's just like this thing, like I

741
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 2>just I don't hear it anymore, you know what I mean,

742
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>just held up a little bit. This is my is

743
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the bell of bailot my bail.

744
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.559
<v Speaker 4>It is a little baseball, squishy baseball, I would believe.

745
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a little stressing your life.

746
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 4>And somehow that that little squeeze bawl keeps making its

747
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.039
<v Speaker 4>way back into your life.

748
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy out the windows.

749
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 4>Suddenly it's in your hand.

750
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know how it returns to me. Yeah,

751
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 2>that's dead. The egg of the cul de sac. I

752
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>think it's yep. I think it's like, yeah, I just

753
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 2>have this skill where I can, like I'm very good

754
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 2>at like calling out like voice actors like, oh that's

755
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Jake's Oh like oh I can do that really well.

756
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So you think that would apply to this. I missed

757
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 2>this Simmons. Yeah, like for some reason that came up

758
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 2>because that was the guy was watching Gravity Falls the

759
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>other day. I'm like, oh my god, that's Jake Simmons. Anyway,

760
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm disappointed in myself.

761
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 3>The voice actor is well known.

762
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Look I mean the Japanese ones.

763
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the Japanese ones. I would imagine.

764
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Sure see if the English English ones, Oh interesting, IMDb

765
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 3>is down.

766
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, a WS is all screwed up today.

767
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, Oh this is that why I got an

768
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.039
<v Speaker 3>email about Slack being down fantastic.

769
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>You Uh yeah, I like I want to know more

770
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>about each one of these little freak stories though, like

771
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 2>why is like exposed brain skeleton man? Like what's his deal?

772
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Like where? Well, how do you get like that? You

773
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.000
<v Speaker 2>will never know. There's no way for you to know

774
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>what's the Void origin?

775
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>No, so the Void Origin is actually pretty disappointed. And

776
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 1>he was allowed who worked in Tesco that's like a

777
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of British chain supermarket and the under like here

778
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>do you wanna do you want to be one hundred

779
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 1>feet tall and have a weird brain? And he was like, yeah,

780
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I do, And that was it.

781
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got al.

782
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>It came from a loving family. Uh no, Rial, he

783
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>was doing engineering in college.

784
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 4>He didn't know his brain was going to be exposed

785
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.360
<v Speaker 4>on the outside. That's kind of trapped him with that one.

786
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and he he the first time he takes

787
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 1>on the void for him, he does go, oh you

788
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>got me there?

789
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.679
<v Speaker 2>You remember that bed time? Yeah? Yeah, who's immediately get

790
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>it from Tesco? Which is crazy. I hate to see it.

791
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>What's the big girl's name again? The Big Girl? Slangan

792
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>slam m hm s l A N yep, you're just

793
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>saving this later or no, no, come on, We've I've

794
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 2>got other things that have more priorities. Let's just say also.

795
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I fool, I don't I am curious, but also

796
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to know those priorities.

797
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for not inquiring on the shirt, Tam. I

798
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.679
<v Speaker 2>thought that was going to be Caska. I thought, like,

799
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 2>how Slam is depicted in that T shirt? Is? I

800
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 2>thought like Caska is, like she's going to evolve into this,

801
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, you know, I don't know.

802
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 3>Maybe in retrospect, should have held off and giving him

803
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 3>the shirt until.

804
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want everyone to know, Tam, you ruined it.

805
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 4>No, I feel like it's good because now he's lived

806
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 4>through like the the tension and the forebodings.

807
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 2>He's killed me.

808
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted out of this, Like

809
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 4>I wanted him to look at that and be like,

810
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 4>what is why is this happening? And as you get

811
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 4>closer and closer to the end, because it really compounds

812
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 4>the last three episodes is where everything just goes mental.

813
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 4>So as we get closer and closer, Jeff was probably like,

814
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 4>when is this gonna happen?

815
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>We've got like two episodes left, you know, and you

816
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 2>guys were in the room there too when he gave

817
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it to me, weren't you. Yeah, my I did tighten

818
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 2>up when that happened. I was like, mm, you're like, oh,

819
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:26.400
<v Speaker 2>what a meaningless irrelevant shirt? Yeah, just metal and that's

820
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>all anyway.

821
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So we spend a couple of minutes with the

822
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 1>God Hand basically saying in several different very cool ways

823
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>to the Hawks, you guys are fucking dead. You guys

824
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.559
<v Speaker 1>are so done you screw before?

825
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Does you wait?

826
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yep?

827
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, things are right to get real bad here for

828
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you guys. And they summon a magical pillar that boosts

829
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Guts and Griffith up into the sky, which becomes a

830
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>giant's hand.

831
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 3>It looks like the chair hand from Arrested Development the

832
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.320
<v Speaker 3>buss Yeah.

833
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Nice nice. Uh.

834
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, basically all these strange like monstrous figures surrounding Griffith,

835
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 1>they all become even more monstrous, and you discover that

836
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:18.079
<v Speaker 1>every single one of them is a disciple, just like

837
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Zod the Immortal.

838
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and White Wild what's his name?

839
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Willed Wild Wild? Or so? But why is Zod like up?

840
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.760
<v Speaker 2>But Zod interferes and Zod's also like allowed out. I

841
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 2>don't get it, Like what.

842
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>So they're all allowed out? These are people who exist

843
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>in the real world.

844
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>And Zod was just like, I'm also gonna kind of

845
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 2>help people. Well, what what does Zod do? He cuts

846
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that horse guy? Oh no, he doesn't do that. He

847
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>gives guts that cool sword that he cuts the the

848
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that scary general with who's on horseback.

849
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of different reasons he might do it.

850
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>He might be doing that to help Griffith. He might

851
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 1>be doing it to be like, okay, goods, you you

852
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>gave me a decent fight. I'll get you out of

853
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>this one.

854
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Like on his own adventure. Yeah, he's the star of

855
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 4>his own show.

856
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 3>But he also like reference, like he references the bailot

857
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 3>and he you know.

858
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>He stops attacking Griffith when he sees the bailot.

859
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, I don't want to fuck with Destiny.

860
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't fuck with someone's going to be like my god. Yeah,

861
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh you're the one. Okay. Yeah.

862
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:39.199
<v Speaker 1>But I think that some of the designs for the

863
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 1>monsters here are absolutely some of the scariest ship I've

864
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

865
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're they're just sort of all sloppy boys all

866
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 2>over the place. Huh.

867
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 4>You know some of them some of them look weird.

868
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of them look like, you know, weird animals.

869
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Some of them were just look like like a line,

870
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, like just just a line with eyes.

871
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's still terrifying. A lot of very abstract stuff,

872
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 2>which is weird and cool.

873
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, a lot of worm looking dudes.

874
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just faces, multiple faces, why not.

875
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we didn't get this little kind of dreamish sequence.

876
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>And I love these episodes. I feel like this sequence

877
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 1>goes on a little long, and I guess my only

878
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 1>problem with it is I feel like it's covering shit

879
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 1>that we've already so like masterfully established just of who

880
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Griffith is and why he is the way he is,

881
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of just putting like a quite a

882
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 1>blunt point on all that. And like I get it,

883
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Like I get that, you know, you want people to

884
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 1>really understand who Griffith is and where he's coming from.

885
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 1>But I guess this is a scene that goes on

886
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 1>for like two or three minutes and we don't really

887
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>learn anything new about how Griffith thinks, you.

888
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, right, But I do think it's effective I agree

889
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it should probably be maybe two minutes shorter or three

890
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 2>minutes shorter than it was, But I do think it

891
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 2>was kind of powerful of like to position him as

892
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 2>a child, right, and kind of like for you know,

893
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you're probably right.

894
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I've probably just been through this story X

895
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>many times in X many different ways that I'm like, yeah,

896
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I know who griffed, but yeah, yeah, I know he's shit.

897
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.

898
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And so basically I do think there's one kind of

899
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting shot here where it's Guts being like talking like

900
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 1>illusion Goots talking to Griffith, and he's in his like

901
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 1>fancy boy clothes, And I thought that was an interesting

902
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>decision because it's kind of like like Griffith's seeing the

903
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:48.800
<v Speaker 1>most successful possible version of Gouts, maybe after he's kind

904
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 1>of succeeded in life, whereas Griffiths and that Griffith never will.

905
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't even clock that he

906
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:56.639
<v Speaker 3>was wearing his fancy boy clothes.

907
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

908
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 3>But then again I did have just you know, isn't

909
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 3>it is that.

910
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 4>I think I might be wrong here, But isn't that

911
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 4>the last time they saw each No, I guess they

912
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 4>on the way out. He was wearing his normal clothes.

913
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 4>I figured like it might be because he saw him

914
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 4>in that scenario. Lost could be it could be that

915
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 4>as well. Yeah, but also like they have in the

916
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 4>snow afterwards, and Guts is wearing his I'm gonna I'm gonna.

917
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Cut some falls outfit, and we see the little boy

918
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 1>who died in Goods in Griffith's service, get some really

919
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking cool shots of like the castle off in the sky,

920
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and Griffith is standing on a pile of dead bodies,

921
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 1>and it's all very good. And then afterwards the god

922
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>hand are basically like, hey, we didn't do anything, buddy,

923
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 1>that's you just saw who you are where. We are

924
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>not taking any credit for that.

925
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Yep, we are just holding the mirror up. This one

926
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 3>was all you.

927
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we didn't get this.

928
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>There's this.

929
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:11.719
<v Speaker 1>It's whenever Void puts out his arm and you see

930
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>how fucking weirdly long his arms.

931
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's so creepy, amazing. It goes on

932
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:21.800
<v Speaker 2>for just miles. His arm is longer than his body.

933
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 2>It's the best. I love him. Like twenty four Oh,

934
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, oh, I think you're talking.

935
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Like twenty meters.

936
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I want it to be way more than

937
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:40.559
<v Speaker 2>that is there is as Yeah, it's a joke. It's

938
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 2>a joke. When he has that wingspan. It's such a joke.

939
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>It's insane. And it's also his hands bigger than his head.

940
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 4>He's not even playing any sports with it. Useless.

941
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.519
<v Speaker 3>What it's like. We got at the house. We got

942
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 3>a one of those extendable forks recently.

943
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you got extendo fork.

944
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Holy, pretty great rule. He's the best. I want him

945
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 2>to like be the lead singer of a band.

946
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Wearing a T shirt the other day and I thought

947
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 3>it was a Void shirt, but it was like some

948
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.760
<v Speaker 3>misfit shirt and they had done a collab with someone else,

949
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:14.800
<v Speaker 3>and it looks exactly like Void, and I was like.

950
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Damn, oh, that's cool.

951
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Lead singer of a brand, which is what happens everyone

952
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>in the band of Hawk here.

953
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 5>Oh joy, that was cinema.

954
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't think a better one.

955
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, it's it's not my first time. That was podcast.

956
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, clearly we're going to go back to the old podcast

957
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 4>he's done to find that he's used this.

958
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Exact thing before.

959
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Void basically brands everyone in the band of Hawk, and

960
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 1>this is basically the.

961
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Kick me.

962
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 4>It's a bloodborne logo.

963
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, question, I have a question. Ye uh, you know

964
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 2>they show this like symbol and I'm like, oh, there

965
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:17.400
<v Speaker 2>it is. There's that bersark thing. Where's it been? Where's

966
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it the hold agu of the end time? And what's

967
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the significance of the shape? Why? Like, where does it

968
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:21.960
<v Speaker 2>come from?

969
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.320
<v Speaker 1>You are literally experiencing the answer to all your own questions.

970
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Jeff, Yeah, yeah, but like.

971
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.079
<v Speaker 3>But once again in the Manger, it's that from the beginning.

972
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel underserved in love in the in the

973
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:41.840
<v Speaker 2>way that I've been exposed to that symbol.

974
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 1>This is the first time it appears in the story.

975
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you should learn.

976
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I feel like, Jeff, I'm having like I'm

977
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 1>trying to explain it to you in like a non

978
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>patronizing way, but my mind keeps going back to explaining

979
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.360
<v Speaker 1>what chronological narrative is.

980
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I look and you know, I

981
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know. They don't tell you that at the beginning of.

982
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 3>This, Jeff, what do you like at the movies? Do

983
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 3>you sit and go, Hey, what's his deal? Hey, what's

984
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 3>going on with him? And You're like, I don't know,

985
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm watching the same thing.

986
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 2>To answer your question a little bit.

987
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I would think I would never.

988
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't talk out loud during in movies.

989
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 4>You know the worst people. I encountered one of these

990
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 4>a couple of weeks back. It's the person who talks

991
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 4>in the movie but they're alone and they're just talking

992
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:29.639
<v Speaker 4>to themselves.

993
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's fucking I shucked up.

994
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 4>Man.

995
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 1>There was some.

996
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 4>I was watching, was the one battle after another, and

997
00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 4>at one point, dude like just a few seas down

998
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 4>and was like, I know what's going to happen here.

999
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 4>I think he's gonnam.

1000
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I just like I was like, oh, yeah, I don't

1001
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>say that. Yeah, I mean no, it's but like, look,

1002
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm I ask a lot of my media because I

1003
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>need I feel like I'm too demanding of explanation, Right,

1004
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with whatever you're presenting, no matter how unrealistic

1005
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>or inconceivable or improbable. But I just want you to

1006
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.119
<v Speaker 2>like earn that, right. And that's the thing I have

1007
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 2>with like a lot of I went through that with

1008
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>like the comic book that I was doing, like there

1009
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 2>were two there were a point where I reached it

1010
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, we need to earn all these things that

1011
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 2>we are declaring this far in and that's what and

1012
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, I guess it's more of like a

1013
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>compulsion I have, right, rather than like of coause anyone

1014
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.559
<v Speaker 2>could write a story anywhere they want. There's no fucking rules, right,

1015
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.599
<v Speaker 2>So that's all. And when I'm first exposed to this

1016
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.079
<v Speaker 2>like very iconic symbol, I'm like, man, I've been waiting

1017
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>twenty four episodes. Okay, I get you. I get you, Jeff.

1018
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I think I think what it is though, is like

1019
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you are experiencing the impact of.

1020
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.159
<v Speaker 2>It before I see it exactly.

1021
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:03.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you you don't know what it is or

1022
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 1>why it's important, but like the whole, the whole thing

1023
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of it is that this is the brand mark. When

1024
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.320
<v Speaker 1>someone is sacrificed in an eclipse, they get this mark.

1025
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 1>So this mark is basically a hey, this isn't all

1026
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.559
<v Speaker 1>you can eat buffet to the demons and so you

1027
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>know you no, not to get too heavy into spoilers here,

1028
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 1>but Guts makes it out of the eclipse, but he

1029
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>still has the brand mark, right.

1030
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Basically it's he's a moving target forever now.

1031
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so when the brand, when the brand starts to hurt,

1032
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 3>and like sometimes it bleeds.

1033
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.519
<v Speaker 4>It's not very much in the city.

1034
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.039
<v Speaker 3>It's very much sting from again, Lord of the Rings.

1035
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 2>It's funny that people use to get this tattooed on themselves.

1036
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Found that I have a tattooed?

1037
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Do you do? On the neck? Is the one that

1038
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 3>always gets me because I'm just like.

1039
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I like where Corcus gets it right forehead forehead.

1040
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, okay, so I feeling it, but I

1041
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 1>got I got the panels, and I under like like

1042
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.199
<v Speaker 1>because people have definitely said this to me. It's like,

1043
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.239
<v Speaker 1>why would you want to get that tattooed? And like,

1044
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, a certain portion of the Internet will always

1045
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 1>be like, you don't.

1046
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Know what it means.

1047
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 1>If you wanted to get that tattooed, man means a struggle.

1048
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.679
<v Speaker 1>But to me, like this is it. What it means

1049
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.880
<v Speaker 1>is bad things will happen and you will move on

1050
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and be okay. That's what like a brand Mark says

1051
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in like the narrative terms of Brazerk, Like you can

1052
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>go for the literal interpretation of hello, I am food

1053
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.000
<v Speaker 1>for a demon, please eat me, or you can look

1054
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 1>at the actual story and be like, bad things will

1055
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 1>happen and I'll keep going.

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01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.840
<v Speaker 4>That's what to me, it means that you won't get

1057
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.320
<v Speaker 4>very good sleep forever.

1058
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just funny that you got it tattooed on your butt.

1059
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Why is the funny, Jeff, It's just very very place

1060
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.440
<v Speaker 2>fling a beautiful ass and I wanted to adorn it

1061
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 2>with decoration. But the symmetric bad things happen to do well,

1062
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.440
<v Speaker 2>it would look weird if it was just like one side, Jeff.

1063
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I guess all right, nay, you're bad.

1064
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I like, I like to think that John is doing

1065
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 4>like ace Ventura butt thing with his friends, showing.

1066
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>It off to people.

1067
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Uh, but yeah, things things go from from bad to

1068
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.280
<v Speaker 1>worse as soon as this brand appears. This entire episode

1069
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:34.119
<v Speaker 1>ends on a really stunning painting of the monsters. Like

1070
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the monsters basically look like a giant waterfall about to

1071
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>collapse on the band of Hawk. It's such a harrowing

1072
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and stunning image. And the like, I guess you know,

1073
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.840
<v Speaker 1>there's been so many points during this podcast where I've

1074
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:50.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of been like, oh, you got to check out

1075
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.239
<v Speaker 1>the actual panel. The panel just for the eclipse are

1076
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 1>some of the most nightmarish things I have ever seen.

1077
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Read them on a play which is what I did.

1078
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 2>You got to send them to me. I want to

1079
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.440
<v Speaker 2>see some of this stuff after we record here, you know.

1080
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Let me pick some choice selections out here. But yeah,

1081
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.880
<v Speaker 1>what do you guys think of this episode?

1082
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Again, it's the slow moving car crash into hell. It's

1083
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 3>so effective. I think, Yeah, I agree with you that

1084
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.639
<v Speaker 3>the Griffith like, hey, you're a bad guy, goes on

1085
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.639
<v Speaker 3>a little too long, but at the same because I

1086
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 3>think at the same time, it's like it's pulling you

1087
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 3>away from you want to desperately know what is about

1088
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to happen, and so kind of pulling you out of

1089
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.159
<v Speaker 3>that just to have like a little bit of expository stuff.

1090
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:42.280
<v Speaker 3>It's like, nah, I don't really need it. But overall,

1091
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 3>I think it's very impactful. And yeah, I just.

1092
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nothing bad's gonna happen, don't worry.

1093
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everything's gonna be fine.

1094
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Totally fine. And then we reach our final episode of Berserk.

1095
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so for reference, John just dropped one of the

1096
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.480
<v Speaker 3>panels in the discord.

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01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Jeff is, now that's a tattoo.

1098
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, tattoo. Put that on your butt cheek.

1099
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it would kind of.

1100
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.440
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. It's like, you it's so detailed. I

1101
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.039
<v Speaker 3>can't even notice, Like when you first glance at it,

1102
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:21.320
<v Speaker 3>you don't even see Casco.

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01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm sick.

1104
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a There are so many images like that

1105
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:33.920
<v Speaker 1>in in the Mica. But yeah, so we open up

1106
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:38.599
<v Speaker 1>here and immediately it is fucking chaos. There is just

1107
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 1>men being picked up and shoved into the mouths of

1108
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:46.800
<v Speaker 1>monsters like like potato chips, like me.

1109
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Delicious. Everyone seems delicious, is what I'm taking away from

1110
01:03:54.639 --> 01:04:07.000
<v Speaker 2>this part. Humans whoa long pork definitely harm? Oh my lord, yeah,

1111
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:12.039
<v Speaker 2>saying we do it? I was like, who'd you hear

1112
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that from?

1113
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 3>There was that Vice interview with that cannibal from a field.

1114
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a great shot right at the start here,

1115
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.159
<v Speaker 1>and it's so horrifying, and it's just Casca and she's

1116
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 1>just staring right into the camera and blood is just

1117
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like just like pissing down in front of her, and

1118
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.239
<v Speaker 1>she's you are just watching her lose her mind. She

1119
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 1>cannot fathom what the fuck is happening.

1120
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not great.

1121
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.960
<v Speaker 3>How can you This is something so outside of like

1122
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.960
<v Speaker 3>even even now us, you know, we have been exposed

1123
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 3>to the internet, all the art you could Imagine the

1124
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.480
<v Speaker 3>hundreds of years of history, all of these stories, all

1125
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.360
<v Speaker 3>of these pieces of artwork, all of these concepts and theories. Imagine.

1126
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is set roughly in like a Middle Ages.

1127
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Your world is so so small. How on earth could

1128
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.039
<v Speaker 3>you comprehend something like this? You just can't. You would

1129
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:12.639
<v Speaker 3>just go insane.

1130
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they all think they're dreaming, right, like, you know.

1131
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like there's just there's a lot of still

1132
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.199
<v Speaker 1>shots in this episode, but in no way that I

1133
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.760
<v Speaker 1>think really works. Yeah, and this one, and it's just

1134
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Kaska like looking across at like her field of view,

1135
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and it is just men being devoured by giant insect monsters.

1136
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Not just men though, it's like she knows them, all

1137
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:39.960
<v Speaker 3>of them her friends. They are people that she's led,

1138
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 3>people that she's been traveling with for years and like

1139
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:44.000
<v Speaker 3>grown up with.

1140
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Then they're just gone, a fucking just weird looking horned.

1141
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how to describe it.

1142
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:55.800
<v Speaker 1>It kind of looks like it's wearing a hood, but

1143
01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:01.320
<v Speaker 1>it has like bullhorns and goes for her and Pippen

1144
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.719
<v Speaker 1>dives out and saves her in one of like the

1145
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:10.000
<v Speaker 1>first active things Pippin's done in a while. And oh man,

1146
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to see Pippen win here. You want to

1147
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.480
<v Speaker 1>see him be okay, And then Judo grabs her in

1148
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.679
<v Speaker 1>the boat right away, and in the distance you just

1149
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:23.280
<v Speaker 1>see Pippen like engulfed by these monsters. Jeff, I guess

1150
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the point where shit's like, oh, this isn't

1151
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be okay, right, Like, how are you feeling

1152
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:31.039
<v Speaker 1>in this moment?

1153
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're get in the sense that like, okay, everyone's

1154
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 2>just kind of getting picked off now and you're not.

1155
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 2>You just kind of have to as an audience, as

1156
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a viewer, you have to just survive this, you know,

1157
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 2>you just sort of have to say, all right, I'm

1158
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:52.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna hold on here and just let this happen. It's rough,

1159
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:54.039
<v Speaker 2>it's very rough.

1160
01:06:55.039 --> 01:07:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Judo kind of rides off. Oh man, we just yeah,

1161
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 1>we So Judo rides off with Caska, and we get

1162
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:08.079
<v Speaker 1>another scene of just this like upside down face egg

1163
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Demon chasing down Corcus and three other men, and at

1164
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 1>one point he just he like he lashes out, grabs

1165
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the three men and again just like popcorn, stuffs them

1166
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:20.960
<v Speaker 1>all into his mouth.

1167
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:28.760
<v Speaker 2>How did you feel about that, well, watching everyone just

1168
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 2>get like munched up, like and Jeopardy. It was a

1169
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.719
<v Speaker 2>good run. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a good run

1170
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.599
<v Speaker 2>with Carcus. And I didn't know he see, I didn't

1171
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.800
<v Speaker 2>always understand each other, but well, we knew this day

1172
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 2>was gonna come at practically the same person in a

1173
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:53.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of ways.

1174
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:54.079
<v Speaker 4>Definitely.

1175
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the takeaway.

1176
01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, the same kind of like soul.

1177
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, same outlook. I feel like if Corcus. I

1178
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:06.840
<v Speaker 1>feel like, if Corcus were real and I was having

1179
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with him, I'd be like, oh, you'd get

1180
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 1>on all my buddy, Jeff.

1181
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's why I was drawn to him.

1182
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:20.880
<v Speaker 2>That's why I felt this sort of cosmic connection with Carcus,

1183
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:26.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, and his soul consumed mine for the entirety

1184
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of this viewing, and exactly and as the bailet was

1185
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.760
<v Speaker 2>drawn to Griffith, right, And it was in this moment

1186
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:45.680
<v Speaker 2>where I could see the riding on the wall that

1187
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I knew it wasn't our destiny to be together forever.

1188
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:52.880
<v Speaker 4>In times coming to an end.

1189
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And it was at that moment I had to, uh, well, guys,

1190
01:08:59.079 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I had to let go.

1191
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Jeff, It's easier, but thanks guys.

1192
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Now that means a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you.

1193
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Now you're the only loser in our lives.

1194
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Tam. I'm going to put a bow on that button,

1195
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:20.880
<v Speaker 2>all right.

1196
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.119
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, Corcus sees a few more we'll call him

1197
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:30.840
<v Speaker 1>spooky monsters, and yeah, he basically completely disconnects from reality

1198
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh, this is a dream, but also

1199
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 1>everything was a dream and I never met the band

1200
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Hawk, that none of that ever happened. I'm

1201
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And then we get like a really beautiful one of

1202
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:45.840
<v Speaker 1>those kind of like watercolor illustrations of Corcus just like

1203
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.399
<v Speaker 1>riding on his horse, and he's like, I think this

1204
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.960
<v Speaker 1>is after one of the big battles that he comes

1205
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.920
<v Speaker 1>back from, and it's it's such a lovely picture and

1206
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.079
<v Speaker 1>he's just like, no, no, it was all too good

1207
01:09:57.079 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 1>to be true, and now nothing is real.

1208
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. In that one, he's very much in it, coming back.

1209
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 3>He's heroic. I mean, this is after the taking the castle, right,

1210
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.560
<v Speaker 3>or at least like this is interpretation of it where

1211
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 3>he's like, yeah, that was the high point in my life.

1212
01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1213
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 1>It is funny how he goes though he sees a

1214
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:24.000
<v Speaker 1>naked lady off in the distance and she's a cutie.

1215
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I get it, I understand what kind of Yeah, totally,

1216
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:32.079
<v Speaker 1>and he immediately dives into her bosom.

1217
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean at this point, at this point, you know,

1218
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.159
<v Speaker 3>you've seen the horror the world's the horrors that will

1219
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, just drive you in.

1220
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.479
<v Speaker 4>What else is I feel like he got off lightly there,

1221
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:50.159
<v Speaker 4>like he his experience was something like kind of pleasurable

1222
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.479
<v Speaker 4>for himself, even if it might not be happening. He

1223
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:53.840
<v Speaker 4>died of a boner.

1224
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.319
<v Speaker 1>That I don't know about because we kind of see

1225
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.239
<v Speaker 1>then that it cuts, and he is not in the

1226
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 1>arms of a beautiful naked lady, but of like I

1227
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:07.319
<v Speaker 1>would say, maybe the ugliest xenomorph you ever did see.

1228
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.000
<v Speaker 4>But he doesn't see this animal.

1229
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 2>He sees the beautiful lady.

1230
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.920
<v Speaker 1>But we also you also don't see what happens Corcus

1231
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.319
<v Speaker 1>after this moment. And I'm willing to say, I'm gonna

1232
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:24.159
<v Speaker 1>say the suggestion is not that he gets gently fooked

1233
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to death.

1234
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.479
<v Speaker 2>No, but yeah, and we do see like his head

1235
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.680
<v Speaker 2>in someone's mouth later, but he's got a smile on

1236
01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.920
<v Speaker 2>his face though. Yeah, I think dam's right. I think

1237
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.720
<v Speaker 2>he died with the big old bone and and then

1238
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:43.560
<v Speaker 2>left the more shuffled off. That's it. What else could

1239
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you ask for?

1240
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:44.159
<v Speaker 1>It?

1241
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Right? They didn't. They could have given Corcus Way more

1242
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:52.399
<v Speaker 2>of a disservice, and they chose to give him honest,

1243
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.039
<v Speaker 2>he deserved the way worse. Yeah, they let him like

1244
01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.000
<v Speaker 2>motor boat his way into hell. And well, I mean,

1245
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.640
<v Speaker 2>oh that did they not? You know, you're not wrong.

1246
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Taking in the phrase motor boat his way into.

1247
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Every straight further than God's light.

1248
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, my years of watching and reading about Berzerka's

1249
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 4>cultural impact and having every frame of it torn apart

1250
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:23.760
<v Speaker 4>piece by piece, I've never heard someone say Caucus mot

1251
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:25.119
<v Speaker 4>about his way into hell.

1252
01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well this is why we are going out. Better

1253
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.399
<v Speaker 2>go out on top? Am I right?

1254
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I got no segue for this one, guys. Sorry, that's okay,

1255
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:47.239
<v Speaker 1>speaking of mobile speaking of motor boating, Kaska and Judo

1256
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:48.880
<v Speaker 1>sure are going fast on that horse?

1257
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I lost I think I know, guys, come on,

1258
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I lost it and they and they, I mean come on,

1259
01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, there's where are they running? Where are

1260
01:12:58.680 --> 01:12:59.159
<v Speaker 2>they going?

1261
01:12:59.399 --> 01:12:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Are running?

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01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't have that conversation as well. They're just like fuck,

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01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Their horse gets devoured by a giant

1264
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:13.119
<v Speaker 1>like I hate it. I hate this bit. I feel

1265
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.520
<v Speaker 1>so like it bothers me on such a level. The

1266
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.600
<v Speaker 1>poor horse. It's really gruesome and horrifying.

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01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:21.760
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing that the horse never bolted before that. You

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01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:22.359
<v Speaker 3>know the fact that.

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01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:25.960
<v Speaker 4>They all the horses, all the horses were remarkably chilled

1270
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:27.119
<v Speaker 4>during the entire thing.

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01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.680
<v Speaker 2>They're like, this is normal they get spooked by. I

1272
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 2>think they're just kind of like, well, when you when

1273
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you gotta go, you gotta go.

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01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:34.000
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1275
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 3>My sister's horse gets scared by puddles. Uh.

1276
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Casca and Judo come crashing to the ground and we

1277
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:52.720
<v Speaker 1>meet the monster in hell. That freaks me out the most.

1278
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the fuck.

1279
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:55.439
<v Speaker 2>This thing is.

1280
01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:00.199
<v Speaker 1>It looks it looks like a toilet sign, like like

1281
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, the like stick Man toilet sign, with antenna

1282
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 1>coming out of its head and red glowing eyes like

1283
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.399
<v Speaker 1>in different parts of its body. And I hate it.

1284
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I hate this thing.

1285
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.000
<v Speaker 4>There's some real nasty monster design in this there is

1286
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.920
<v Speaker 4>you know where that comes from?

1287
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And it's uh, it's it starts whipping Judo, who

1288
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is lying on top of Casca, and he's like trying

1289
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:34.319
<v Speaker 1>to protect her, and fuck, this looks so painful, like

1290
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing the dense in Judo's armor and it's oh,

1291
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it's bad.

1292
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.359
<v Speaker 2>It's awful. Yeah. Yeah.

1293
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.479
<v Speaker 1>But Caska manages to take it out with Judo's assistant

1294
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.760
<v Speaker 1>because she's a badass. And then we get this this

1295
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:52.720
<v Speaker 1>scene of Casca and Judo walking together and Judo has

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01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this line to the effect of like he's dying and

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01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:57.319
<v Speaker 1>he's about to die, and he's like, well, I never

1298
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:04.159
<v Speaker 1>got to say it to her, and it's like it

1299
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:06.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of makes me feel like in a way that

1300
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:11.319
<v Speaker 1>like Judo definitely like believed in Griffith, but it's nearly

1301
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 1>like Casco is the one that he wanted to be beside, right, Yeah.

1302
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do backload a lot of his a lot

1303
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of the compassion that you were meant to have for Judo.

1304
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:26.560
<v Speaker 2>They do backload that a little bit.

1305
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I feel it all the way through.

1306
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:34.680
<v Speaker 1>But like I think when you when you reread it

1307
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 1>as well, it is like, oh, fuck, he was in

1308
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.399
<v Speaker 1>love with Kaska the whole time and he was still

1309
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:40.760
<v Speaker 1>like God to.

1310
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Think you guys be happy.

1311
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there is some other allusion to his feelings

1312
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:47.359
<v Speaker 1>towards Casca.

1313
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Some I think it's like in the Bonfire.

1314
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Of Dreams section but I can't remember specifically, but yeah,

1315
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:04.279
<v Speaker 1>and then basically is left by herself against all the

1316
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:07.079
<v Speaker 1>monsters of Hell. She tries to swing at them, her

1317
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.279
<v Speaker 1>sword breaks and then they take her and it is

1318
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:13.199
<v Speaker 1>very unpleasant.

1319
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Jeez geez okay, yeah, not bad for business, no good.

1320
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Griffith is in his egg cocoon and we can

1321
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of see in there and see that he is

1322
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.520
<v Speaker 1>becoming less and less human by the looks of it,

1323
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:38.279
<v Speaker 1>looks like he's sprouting some wings, his legs are getting longer.

1324
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It's all fucked up. We see a bunch of shitty baileets.

1325
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought that was fun, little teeth. Yeah,

1326
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I bet you don't get great wishes out of them.

1327
01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like what what what would you think you would

1328
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.600
<v Speaker 3>get out of like the ship bailet? You know, like

1329
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.319
<v Speaker 3>if you know, if you know that Crimson one gets

1330
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 3>you to become a member of the God Hand, what

1331
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:00.840
<v Speaker 3>do you think, like little get you.

1332
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Gets you like like a castle or like like really yeah,

1333
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:08.399
<v Speaker 1>I think I think like with it, because it has

1334
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 1>to be enough that people would be willing to give

1335
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.920
<v Speaker 1>up their humanity. I think Zod became immortal, so he

1336
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.760
<v Speaker 1>can't die and so he can just fight forever. I

1337
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:19.439
<v Speaker 1>don't think you're like taking over the world with one

1338
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of these bailets.

1339
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 2>What so, how did they distribute these? Like what's this?

1340
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.479
<v Speaker 2>It like a blind box situation, Like how did this work?

1341
01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I think according to their conversation with Griffith, it's like,

1342
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.520
<v Speaker 1>if you are predisposed to go for something like this,

1343
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:38.239
<v Speaker 1>it will kind of come to you.

1344
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're just pre judged.

1345
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:45.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like applying. How did they It's like checking credit history.

1346
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the checking credit history and you get a certain

1347
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.600
<v Speaker 4>amount based on your viability.

1348
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but how do they like decide that, God, we're

1349
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 2>going to make another egg, it's one, it's the big one.

1350
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 2>We're letting another person they make them.

1351
01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.119
<v Speaker 7>I can't remember if that's I don't think so. I

1352
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:04.640
<v Speaker 7>think somebody has to come from something, you know. I'm

1353
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:06.680
<v Speaker 7>just glad the nose in the mouth and the eyes

1354
01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:09.199
<v Speaker 7>are fixed. That really upset me. For the entirety of

1355
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:09.600
<v Speaker 7>the show.

1356
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I all slotted back into place. Yeah, I was like, oh,

1357
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a face, Okay.

1358
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:19.199
<v Speaker 3>I I am kind of like you, Jeff Roy. I

1359
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 3>like knowing the reason behind a lot of things. But

1360
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.079
<v Speaker 3>I think when it comes to b Zurik. I just

1361
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:24.479
<v Speaker 3>don't want to know.

1362
01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I get it. There's enough there, there's a I think

1363
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>maybe because there is enough, and it's perfectly fine to

1364
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.920
<v Speaker 2>have some things be open to no explanation, right, or

1365
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:38.479
<v Speaker 2>they're just there because you have to suspend your disbelief

1366
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:44.159
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, of course. But yeah, I think like I, yeah,

1367
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:48.479
<v Speaker 2>they they they're very preachy about like, oh, we're letting

1368
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.079
<v Speaker 2>a member, we're letting a new godhead, like we're letting

1369
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:55.680
<v Speaker 2>a new We don't know how this gets voted on though.

1370
01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Neither do they, And I think, yeah, as I read.

1371
01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, they said every two hundred and sixteen years or

1372
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:06.399
<v Speaker 2>something like that, but.

1373
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:09.159
<v Speaker 3>It's like a new one. It's like again, I think,

1374
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I guess I only really made this connection just today.

1375
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.640
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think the not knowing is what

1376
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:20.359
<v Speaker 3>makes it impactful horror for me, because you know, if

1377
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:23.880
<v Speaker 3>you look at something like true crime or whatever, like

1378
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.520
<v Speaker 3>you can go back and you can look at that

1379
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:27.840
<v Speaker 3>person and you know what kind of childhood they had,

1380
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:29.960
<v Speaker 3>what kind of you know, situations they found themselves in

1381
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:32.520
<v Speaker 3>their lives when something and like that's the case with

1382
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:36.359
<v Speaker 3>most horror movies too. They are so determined to tell

1383
01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:40.520
<v Speaker 3>a backstory that justifies why that creature or person is

1384
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.399
<v Speaker 3>the way they are. Where is it this Because you.

1385
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, it's more powerful, and it's.

1386
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Like it's the Jaws thing, right.

1387
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:50.520
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, I say it's Jaws approach.

1388
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the scary The things that you don't see,

1389
01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:54.520
<v Speaker 3>the things that you don't understand, are the scariest. And

1390
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:57.880
<v Speaker 3>so because your mind just fills in the blanks exactly.

1391
01:19:58.199 --> 01:19:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah.

1392
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I would also say like a part of it as

1393
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:02.319
<v Speaker 1>well as like and Jeff, I'm sure you get this

1394
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:03.479
<v Speaker 1>from like working on your comic.

1395
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:05.600
<v Speaker 2>At some point you have to.

1396
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Stop explaining things and at some point like which is

1397
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:14.159
<v Speaker 1>better an explanation of where the bail it comes from,

1398
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:17.239
<v Speaker 1>or like a piece of ch scene of character work,

1399
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:21.560
<v Speaker 1>or like plot development, or like backstory. It's like you're

1400
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>always kind of like having to make those calls about like, well,

1401
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.239
<v Speaker 1>which thing is more important to show in this chapter

1402
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:37.760
<v Speaker 1>because you're working with limited resources. Sure, yeah, yeah. So

1403
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Guts makes it back from his hand pillar his unsuccessful

1404
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 1>hand pillar expedition, and is met with a literal pool

1405
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:57.399
<v Speaker 1>of blood. He is knee deep in the blood of

1406
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:03.439
<v Speaker 1>the band of the Hall and it is fucking gnarly.

1407
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:08.840
<v Speaker 2>It is really bad. Oh yeah, just sort of waiting

1408
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.239
<v Speaker 2>around there. Yeah, not great.

1409
01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:13.479
<v Speaker 1>He meets everyone's favorite band of the Hawk member Gaston

1410
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a right mm hm, who's totally fine except for when

1411
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:23.960
<v Speaker 1>his brain explodes into a horrible monster.

1412
01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>It is because someone was like in there, right yep?

1413
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Is that the idea? Okay?

1414
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Cool? And we then see Pippin, who is also totally fine,

1415
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:35.479
<v Speaker 1>only he's not. He's been got by the same monster

1416
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that tried to get Ricker in the in the bonfire scene.

1417
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah get it. No, Rickort is not here. No, he

1418
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>gets it off screen. Oh good, he gets he gets

1419
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:49.720
<v Speaker 2>it off screen.

1420
01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:53.760
<v Speaker 4>I imagine it doesn't he get got.

1421
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Rickert does not get got is still alive?

1422
01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think tells the story? True?

1423
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Things get worse and worse, and it's eventually it's

1424
01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 1>just Guts alone fighting what feels like a thousand monsters

1425
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>who are all just holding casca. And there's some very

1426
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:19.039
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable shots where it looks like these monsters are about

1427
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to do some real bad ship to a naked Casca,

1428
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>and that's when the egg of the King cracks and

1429
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>femtoe emerges.

1430
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Like a little baby bird emerging from his egg.

1431
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought he'd be bigger, isn't it?

1432
01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:41.840
<v Speaker 4>Isn't it scarier when they're not.

1433
01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Huge fast thing? Jeff.

1434
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:47.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's first a big monster and then it

1435
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:49.319
<v Speaker 1>becomes your size and that's worse.

1436
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:53.359
<v Speaker 2>He's just he's just super shredder. That's kind of good

1437
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and why why is that a bad thing? Jeff?

1438
01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Nash did not give the performance of a lifetime

1439
01:22:58.199 --> 01:22:59.640
<v Speaker 1>for you to dismiss him like that.

1440
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Very good pull there, thank you, John. I I do

1441
01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>like that his prisoner helmet is part of his new

1442
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:09.399
<v Speaker 2>get up. I think that's pretty sick.

1443
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:13.640
<v Speaker 3>I also love that he's got like bitchy purple lipsick.

1444
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:15.279
<v Speaker 4>It's so good.

1445
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, look we can all agree fourteen seconds. Yeah yeah,

1446
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a great design and amazing first impression and things

1447
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:25.199
<v Speaker 1>go dramatically downhill from there.

1448
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, ok sounds like the name of an orange drink.

1449
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1450
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's only so much of this scene

1451
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to describe, but he basically takes casket and

1452
01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>kisses her, and it's so horrible because it's like the

1453
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>kiss kind of like it pans upward and when when

1454
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Femto's eye comes into frame. It's the Griffith eye, like

1455
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the intense I am about to do something fucking insane.

1456
01:23:53.600 --> 01:24:00.479
<v Speaker 2>I and then you know, the thing in Berserk happens.

1457
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.600
<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, but we we didn't talk about what Guts

1458
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:04.239
<v Speaker 2>had to do.

1459
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:08.199
<v Speaker 1>So Guts is watching this and then once the thing

1460
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>starts to happen, he takes the sword and begins stabbing

1461
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>at the monster who's biting into his arm, before realizing

1462
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>he can't hurt this monster, and then just gouging at

1463
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.640
<v Speaker 1>his own arm, and he's what all this.

1464
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Is like forever the most this show has ever and

1465
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>this show has stayed on shots for a while. Okay,

1466
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:41.039
<v Speaker 2>this show makes a meal out of a lot. They

1467
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>stay on this act for what feels like an eternity.

1468
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>The first time I actually did just have to like

1469
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>look away because this show's not as gory, right, Like

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01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is just like oh, spray blabs,

1471
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's just a lot of that, but

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01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:01.000
<v Speaker 2>they leave nothing to the imagination here.

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01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:06.039
<v Speaker 1>No, and then it's horrible, like it's just Taska is

1474
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>being assaulted. Guts eventually like cuts off his own arm

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01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to try and save her. He is then immediately brought

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01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>down by a bunch of demons, and it's he just

1477
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>has to watch like the person he loves go through this,

1478
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:25.239
<v Speaker 1>and you feel terrible for Caska, you feel terrible for Guts.

1479
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>It's an awful scene. One of the monster's claws slides

1480
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>into Guts's eye and destroys it.

1481
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Gouts, screams his head and forcing him to watch.

1482
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and then it's just like the end.

1483
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:47.880
<v Speaker 1>We flash to white cut to credits, so yeah.

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01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:57.079
<v Speaker 2>The end, so yeah, watch it.

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01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.319
<v Speaker 4>It's all a dream.

1486
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>God, I'm happy with this happening.

1487
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Goots waking up being like oh, and Cask being like,

1488
01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>come on, knock ahead, we got a battle to get to.

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01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:16.039
<v Speaker 2>No, No, they're actually in they're in nineteen seventy six

1490
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and they're married with seven kids, and Guts just like

1491
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>accidentally hit himself in the head with a hammer and

1492
01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is just like, you've been out for like four hours,

1493
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>did you have any weird dreams? Yep? And Gus is

1494
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>like Caska, you wouldn't believe it.

1495
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.720
<v Speaker 3>And then that's Griffith and Pippin and.

1496
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Yep, the end Caucus, the end part two. Yeah, what

1497
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>is the after credit scene? For real?

1498
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>The after credit scene is with Godeau the Blacksmith, and

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01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>it's him and Guts, and Guts has a new big

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01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>sword and it's GOODO saying don't get yourself killed, and

1501
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Uh one eyed Guts, one eyed, one armed Guts walks

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01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:02.439
<v Speaker 1>out into UH into the world. He read that he

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01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>survives him and both survive.

1504
01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, what.

1505
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>So, Jeff, we can do whatever you want here, buddy.

1506
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>We can tell you as much about Brazik as little

1507
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>we can leave it.

1508
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I want to know everything. I want to know everything

1509
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>because I'm just like, I'm just I've had my feel like,

1510
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel good. I ate well, you know, like.

1511
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.399
<v Speaker 4>You have no intention to carry on here?

1512
01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not is there any It's only manga. It's not

1513
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>like video, Like I can't watch it, okay, So to

1514
01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>lay it on me, and maybe we should like give

1515
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>our listeners a bit of.

1516
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Spoilers in the description when we'll stop talking about this.

1517
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like we discussed the events that go beyond the

1518
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:00.359
<v Speaker 2>anime here.

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01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so okay, I guess just to give you some

1520
01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>scope here, Jeff. The Eclipse ends around chapter eighty eight,

1521
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and there are three hundred and sixty four chapters of

1522
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the Oh Yeah, what what you are in like the

1523
01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:21.479
<v Speaker 1>first quarter of the story.

1524
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.359
<v Speaker 4>You're in the setup for the series.

1525
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the baby you have just beaten the tutorial of Berserk.

1526
01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well I assume that like oh guts and like

1527
01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Femto are gonna fight more like I assume that was

1528
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:38.439
<v Speaker 2>going to happen, well in the future. Want to hear

1529
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the real.

1530
01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Tragedy That fight never happened and Miura died.

1531
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh but not because it wasn't going to happen, just

1532
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>because the author died. Yes, that's sad.

1533
01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:53.319
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't even else to the point where it's like

1534
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:55.279
<v Speaker 4>looking like it could happen soon.

1535
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>No. No, but he's around in the way that like

1536
01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Dio is around right, like I'm assuming.

1537
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:01.439
<v Speaker 4>See much of him.

1538
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, he does does do stuff like there

1539
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>is good, yeah for sure. But like so in the

1540
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:16.239
<v Speaker 1>so you know, in the twenty years, Berserk would go

1541
01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:21.079
<v Speaker 1>on these massive hiatuses and like years could go by

1542
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and there would be no new Berserk and people would

1543
01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>think it was over, and then a new chapter would

1544
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.439
<v Speaker 1>drop and this went on years and like every.

1545
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:32.199
<v Speaker 4>Time chapter it would be like ten pages.

1546
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:37.159
<v Speaker 1>And it's literally like I remember one time a chapter

1547
01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>dropped and people were so desperate for the story to

1548
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>keep going, and the chapter was basically just Goods kicking

1549
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the shit out of a bunch of ghost pirates.

1550
01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. I'm imagining. I'm just guessing here. I'm imagining

1551
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>like Kaska has like a demon baby. She does she does. Yeah,

1552
01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.239
<v Speaker 2>that's I mean, I think that's like I would have

1553
01:29:59.279 --> 01:29:59.479
<v Speaker 2>done it.

1554
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:08.399
<v Speaker 3>After the eclipse is basically catatonic, and because they're both branded,

1555
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:14.079
<v Speaker 3>like I said earlier, demons will kind of descend upon them,

1556
01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:16.319
<v Speaker 3>and so for Guts, it's like finding a place to

1557
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:22.479
<v Speaker 3>keep her safe. But she's also terrified of anyone, everyone, everything.

1558
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, Like she can't speak anymore. She becomes like

1559
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:27.439
<v Speaker 1>just a different character.

1560
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:32.039
<v Speaker 4>She's mentally broken, like she's a different like she's everything

1561
01:30:32.039 --> 01:30:36.199
<v Speaker 4>you know about Costco is gone, and seventy chapters of that,

1562
01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:36.439
<v Speaker 4>Like what.

1563
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Misty Valley. The thing is is that a lot of

1564
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.399
<v Speaker 3>people actually say the Misty Valley stuff that happens like

1565
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:47.279
<v Speaker 3>not long after the eclipse, I guess is like some

1566
01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:51.000
<v Speaker 3>of the best stuff in Berserk, which is really fucking cool.

1567
01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:52.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1568
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's so basically like Jeff, what happens here as well,

1569
01:30:56.039 --> 01:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>is that the entire state of the world changes. Now

1570
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>demons exist in the real world, Okay.

1571
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.840
<v Speaker 4>The fabric between them is it's just like this the

1572
01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:10.239
<v Speaker 4>event this eclipses. What kind of ripped it away?

1573
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Does that? Okay? Yeah?

1574
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>And then much later on the state of the world

1575
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:19.159
<v Speaker 1>changes as well, and it becomes like fantasy, as in,

1576
01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like there are dragons and unicorns and all this weird

1577
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:27.199
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's it's so good. But sorry, Lucy, I

1578
01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>interrupted you there, what were you saying?

1579
01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:30.479
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say the Misty Valley stuff is so

1580
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.439
<v Speaker 3>of my favorite because it's it's a little monster of

1581
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:36.079
<v Speaker 3>the weakish. But it is kind of to what John

1582
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:38.199
<v Speaker 3>was saying about the state of the world changing, where

1583
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:41.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like these events just happen, so guts stumble any

1584
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh and Puck is also there. You miss all the

1585
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.039
<v Speaker 3>shit with Puck. Who's the little fairy?

1586
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>And how long does it?

1587
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

1588
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:51.199
<v Speaker 2>And obviously you know he passed away, right, so it's over.

1589
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>It is being written by his best friend.

1590
01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:57.199
<v Speaker 3>Who he he told me he told the ending to

1591
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:01.159
<v Speaker 3>and work with them for years, right, they worked together.

1592
01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>They were they were buddies. So his best friends is

1593
01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>the person he based Griffith off.

1594
01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Whoa, my god, and then what now?

1595
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't like talking about this because like I don't

1596
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:20.199
<v Speaker 1>like to be a downer about this stuff. I have

1597
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:24.399
<v Speaker 1>read a decent amount of like post Mirror Berserk.

1598
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:25.199
<v Speaker 3>And.

1599
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just I didn't even get not what Berserk

1600
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:35.479
<v Speaker 1>is to me, Like it's just it's not very good.

1601
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>And well it's not that it's very good, it's just

1602
01:32:38.119 --> 01:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>not for me, Like it's just the ship that I

1603
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>love about Berserk feels like it's kind of gotcha gone.

1604
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so so okay, So if I did want

1605
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to start reading the rest of it, what am I

1606
01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>looking at here?

1607
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Jeff, I would just start from chapter one.

1608
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:55.880
<v Speaker 4>I would start.

1609
01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Again.

1610
01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.199
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean this thing was like you'll get some

1611
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:05.239
<v Speaker 3>stuff about seeing Guts with his cool ass arm gun

1612
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:06.560
<v Speaker 3>cannon thing.

1613
01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, because he definitely has to have like a

1614
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like a like an ash thing.

1615
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.439
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So by starting from the beginning, remember it's not

1616
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:18.640
<v Speaker 4>chronologically told, so you won't be seeing everything in the

1617
01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:19.720
<v Speaker 4>exact same order.

1618
01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Is like, got it?

1619
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:30.159
<v Speaker 4>You you start off much further than you've seen most things.

1620
01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Just for the artwork, because.

1621
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.520
<v Speaker 4>It is also remember like everything you've seen is a

1622
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 4>handful of chapters, but you I don't care everything that

1623
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.199
<v Speaker 4>you've experienced in like a couple of days.

1624
01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you and you guys have also filled in

1625
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:45.159
<v Speaker 2>some of the cracks you know offline too. I do

1626
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.319
<v Speaker 2>think it's maybe a thing I'll do. I want to

1627
01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:50.199
<v Speaker 2>get a sense of like what exactly how long a

1628
01:33:50.279 --> 01:33:55.359
<v Speaker 2>chapter is reading time wise, but it's like minutes. Yeah,

1629
01:33:55.479 --> 01:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>so it's like a comic book. The comic book, this

1630
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:04.119
<v Speaker 2>short comics. Okay, cool, so it's manageable and yeah, yeah,

1631
01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you've told me so much that it's

1632
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>like I can't read this, Like I'm perfectly cool with

1633
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:11.119
<v Speaker 2>how this is gone. So maybe it's the thing I do.

1634
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>But wow, holy shit.

1635
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:16.880
<v Speaker 4>You know what you can get, Jeff. You can get

1636
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:23.199
<v Speaker 4>the deluxe prints, which are these huge, leather bound, super

1637
01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:27.359
<v Speaker 4>high quality, incredible versions of I'll put a Lincoln.

1638
01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:33.199
<v Speaker 3>They also on the internet, j Yeah, if.

1639
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:34.560
<v Speaker 4>You want to read them back, yeah, but if you

1640
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:36.560
<v Speaker 4>want an actual thing thing these are. I've got all

1641
01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:37.880
<v Speaker 4>of them and they are phenomenal.

1642
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>God damn, that's sick. I was just that I was

1643
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that I saw this. I was at Keno Kunia, that

1644
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>place you and I went to John. Oh, yeah, I

1645
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:51.359
<v Speaker 2>was there a couple of weeks ago and I saw

1646
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:55.159
<v Speaker 2>these the luxe ones. Yeah, these are good, that's cool.

1647
01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:57.960
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they are just on the internet. We're very

1648
01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:58.520
<v Speaker 4>easy to find.

1649
01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Are there are any other questions you'd like to know

1650
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>about Berserk? Jeff, Oh, gosh, I don't think so. You know, again,

1651
01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>my position still stands like the you know, the fact

1652
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that where this anime leaves us and the celebration of

1653
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:22.720
<v Speaker 2>this thing, I am still left a bit off by it.

1654
01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>All.

1655
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean I did not thoroughly enjoy it. I

1656
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:31.079
<v Speaker 2>absolutely did. I think there is just some like even

1657
01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:33.600
<v Speaker 2>where Cowboy Bebop ended, and not that we should be

1658
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:36.000
<v Speaker 2>comparing these two things because they're just you know, they're

1659
01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>their own things, you know. I think there's something that

1660
01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>broke my kind of like connection of like, wow, this

1661
01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>is so terrible and so beloved and that is just

1662
01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>strange on his face to me.

1663
01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>So here's here's what I'd say with that, Jeff. To me, like,

1664
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:59.800
<v Speaker 1>there are people who love Berserk upen until this point

1665
01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and see everything after this as like not as good,

1666
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:07.119
<v Speaker 1>And to me, that is fucking insane, because what I

1667
01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>think Berserk is is about like finding your place in

1668
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>the world and then realizing that, like you can be

1669
01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>happy in a way that you never thought you could be.

1670
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Losing that losing all hope, the worst thing imaginable happening you,

1671
01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:28.399
<v Speaker 1>and then slowly you come back from that, and then

1672
01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>slowly you meet people who mean as much to you

1673
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>as the old people did, and kind of finding your

1674
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>peace within that as opposed to like leaning into the

1675
01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.399
<v Speaker 1>pain or the anger of it all, or like the loss.

1676
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:47.039
<v Speaker 1>It's like moving on and finding your new kind of family,

1677
01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>because that's kind of that's a big part of the

1678
01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:51.439
<v Speaker 1>journey that Guts goes on from here, and it's slow,

1679
01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:55.359
<v Speaker 1>but like my favorite page in Berserk is this moment

1680
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>where it's like Gut's kind of walking along the beach

1681
01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:00.479
<v Speaker 1>with like these new people and he kind of just

1682
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>looks around and he's like, oh, fuck, like I really

1683
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:08.199
<v Speaker 1>care about these guys, and it is like one of

1684
01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the most powerful moments of storytelling I think you can have,

1685
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:15.399
<v Speaker 1>like after everything he's been through and after everything he's lost.

1686
01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And that is why like I'm okay with the eclipse

1687
01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, because ultimately I think it is justified when

1688
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>you see where the story goes, especially when you see

1689
01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.079
<v Speaker 1>like the effect it has on Caska and what she

1690
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.359
<v Speaker 1>has to go through to kind of come back from that. Like,

1691
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it's right, it makes good in the long term, but

1692
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I can absolutely understand it being off putting in the

1693
01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>here and now.

1694
01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean just hearing that it is essentially not

1695
01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:49.199
<v Speaker 2>a setup, but it is it does in some way

1696
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:53.119
<v Speaker 2>serve as that as a mechanism for that, right, Yeah,

1697
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean you even said it yourself to him, right,

1698
01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Like it's kind of just a setup for what else happens.

1699
01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>That's just it's like astonishing. But yeah, I I I'm

1700
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:09.479
<v Speaker 2>so glad to have been exposed to this and experience it.

1701
01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>And it's just it does also feel like I'm now

1702
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:18.039
<v Speaker 2>in a club that I was not in before, and

1703
01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:22.359
<v Speaker 2>for that, I think that fucking rules. So yeah, well

1704
01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:25.479
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a club where we're happy to have you in. Jeff. Yeah,

1705
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:31.039
<v Speaker 2>it seems like everyone's trying to offload the truck. What

1706
01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it feels like, Yeah, totally, I will. I will give

1707
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>her this curse for sure. Indeed.

1708
01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, So where does that leave us? Okay, So

1709
01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:56.159
<v Speaker 1>it's the thing you never want to hear from a

1710
01:38:56.199 --> 01:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>podcast that you enjoy. But truth listener is that we've

1711
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of been talking the last couple of weeks and

1712
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>we feel maybe that Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure has reached

1713
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the end of its journey. Like I'll be honest, there's

1714
01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>a there's a lot of different, like smaller factors that

1715
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of contributed to this. Like I think all our

1716
01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>lives are in like a very different place now than

1717
01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>when we started this podcast. And like, you know, I'll

1718
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>be honest, like the the split, the thing that happened

1719
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>with Giant Bomb complicated things and made things difficult in

1720
01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:35.199
<v Speaker 1>a way that's like, you know, difficult to get into.

1721
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm sure that if you've been following along,

1722
01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you've noticed how infrequent the uploads have gotten and how

1723
01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:44.239
<v Speaker 1>difficult that has been. And you know, a large part

1724
01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:47.479
<v Speaker 1>of that is just four very busy people across three

1725
01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>different timeframes. And to me, I guess I feel like

1726
01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I would like to end this show on a high

1727
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:02.079
<v Speaker 1>where like everything was good and we have so many

1728
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>good memories of it, rather than I guess, trying to

1729
01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>drag it out and applying pressure to it, which can

1730
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, cause all kinds of problems as well and

1731
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the yeah, it's it fucking sucks. But I guess, like

1732
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:20.039
<v Speaker 1>my prevailing feeling is I'm just really glad that we

1733
01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>got to do it for as long as we did.

1734
01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, there's there's so much to be able to look

1735
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.800
<v Speaker 2>back at and be happy about and proud of. I

1736
01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:37.279
<v Speaker 2>could not agree more for sure, the.

1737
01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Goofs, the gaffs, the gufts, introducing Jeff to anime, and

1738
01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:47.279
<v Speaker 3>I think I think, like perfect picks, by the way,

1739
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:50.880
<v Speaker 3>you got to do something very different with each.

1740
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:54.159
<v Speaker 2>One, kind of undefeated with those selections.

1741
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:57.399
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, Yeah, I still think of the moment

1742
01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Jeff use the term turn based cartoons and thinking, oh,

1743
01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:04.319
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be, this is gonna work.

1744
01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:06.199
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get some stuff here.

1745
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you know, like I just I really hope

1746
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>people enjoyed the podcast, and you know, it was like, yeah,

1747
01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:20.199
<v Speaker 1>it's there's a lot of want to say, and maybe

1748
01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I will save that till next time, because this is

1749
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:28.479
<v Speaker 1>not the last episode. This is the second last episode,

1750
01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and we thought it only appropriate two ends Jeff Jeff's

1751
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Bizarre Adventure on Is it our first ever film?

1752
01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:41.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, film.

1753
01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:45.159
<v Speaker 2>We we flirted with the idea before, but this is

1754
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the first time we'll actually go through with it.

1755
01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:52.720
<v Speaker 1>We are going to watch the Cowboy Bebop movie Stairway

1756
01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>to Heaven and send off.

1757
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen.

1758
01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's just like a great episode to Cowboy Bebup

1759
01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:01.119
<v Speaker 1>like that.

1760
01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>That's just what it is. That's what I want. Yeah,

1761
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:08.319
<v Speaker 2>and when was this made?

1762
01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

1763
01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember specifically when it was made, but it

1764
01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>takes place before the final episode of Cowboy Bebup and

1765
01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>before that final two parter.

1766
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I believe. Cool. Okay, that's all I need going in.

1767
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait.

1768
01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Not quite sure when that will be out. I am

1769
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:33.159
<v Speaker 1>pretty busy over the next little while, but it will

1770
01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Look we're going to tie this off by the end

1771
01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:36.399
<v Speaker 1>of the year for sure.

1772
01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a commitment we can make. Yeah.

1773
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.399
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, guys, I hope this isn't too much of

1774
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a bomber for people. Again, just want to thank everyone

1775
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>for listening. This was like, honestly like dream come true

1776
01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.920
<v Speaker 1>podcast for me, and I've really bummed its ending, but

1777
01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:57.720
<v Speaker 1>also just so thankful that I got to become close

1778
01:42:57.800 --> 01:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>with the people I did over the course of this.

1779
01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well said, absolutely couldn't agree more. Really an

1780
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>amazing experience also with you know, like, how many years

1781
01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>was it? Three? Right? Three years? You think about all

1782
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that time spent together, How great that is that we

1783
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>have that, and just being able to grow as friends

1784
01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and as co hosts and and create a thing that

1785
01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>is so much fun and such a thing. I would

1786
01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:27.720
<v Speaker 2>look forward to doing all good things.

1787
01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:31.960
<v Speaker 3>And I think, yeah, going out kind of ridiculous that

1788
01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.600
<v Speaker 3>we announced that we're into the podcast after the eclipse.

1789
01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:43.479
<v Speaker 1>We didn't think that one, ebodys, but.

1790
01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:46.600
<v Speaker 3>No, to echo what you both said, it's been such

1791
01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:50.439
<v Speaker 3>a highlight and I'm so glad we got to do

1792
01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:52.359
<v Speaker 3>it and just hang out. I'm so glad we got

1793
01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:53.560
<v Speaker 3>to hang out in person.

1794
01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:58.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we did a bunch of live ones as wild yeah,

1795
01:43:59.399 --> 01:43:59.840
<v Speaker 4>whole thing.

1796
01:44:01.239 --> 01:44:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, that was great.

1797
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Be guys, We will see you for our final goodbye

1798
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:12.199
<v Speaker 1>next time Cowboy beab ups Stairway to Heaven.

1799
01:44:13.159 --> 01:44:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah bye