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Join us 10 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,560 every Friday for a discussion but the latest gaming news, reviews, 11 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:52,679 and exclusive reveals, alongside Game of Home or staff and 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,759 special guests from around the industry. I'm one of your 13 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:59,960 hosts today, Alex van Aiken, and I'm joined by Kyle Hilliard. 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Are you doing Hey, how's it going. I'm doing all right. 15 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. We're gonna be talking about Lego Batman today, 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,760 Yoshi in the Mysterious Book. We've got an interview with 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,480 the voice of Lego Batman, Shi Matheson Uh and No 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,480 will are net No, No, that's uh. He's from Arrested Development. 19 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:20,159 He's never played Batman before ever. 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,439 Speaker 3: You's wrong? 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 4: Are you? 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: Are you joking? 23 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:25,439 Speaker 1: Or yeah, that's a bad joke. So I'm going to 24 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:28,359 start the show. I'm sorry, Charles Hart, how are you hi? 25 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 4: I'm good. 26 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 5: I have just the insatiable need to know the voice 27 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,480 actors for everything. So someone saying anything implying that a 28 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:38,959 voice actors different than the actor they actually are is 29 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:41,640 like makes me raises the my hackles. 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, what's wrong? 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The Blood 47 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,960 of Don Walker is the cover story, which we talked 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,800 about a lot last week, and I think quickly shot 49 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,960 up several shot up my list of games that I 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,919 am planning to play this year after hearing Brian come 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,319 back and talk about it. If if a new vampiric 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,639 RPG from one of the directors of The Witcher three 53 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:08,919 or from the director of The Witcher three catches your ear, 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,800 you should go listen to that episode. 55 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: But today we're. 56 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Gonna be talking about Lego Batman. Let's kick it off. Charles, 57 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:21,039 you of course reviewed Lego Batman for us. What do 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,360 you think of the game? Would you score it? What 59 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:26,080 if people need to know? Hit me? 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 5: Uh? I don't know how they would make a sequel 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,960 to this game because I feel like they kind of 62 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:39,960 did everything. 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: Oh. 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: That was like one of my things coming out of 65 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,800 this is I was like, this is awesome, and also 66 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,479 I don't a thing that it does just broadly speaking 67 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,039 that I really respect is They're like, we're not gonna 68 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:56,919 try to save half of this for a sequel later, 69 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:59,800 or we're not gonna try to you know, sequester this 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,479 off is like DLC. It's like, we're gonna do all 71 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:05,439 of Batman. We're gonna see him as a young kids 72 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:07,960 Bruce Wayne, We're gonna see him with like gray hair, 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,000 as like the head of the bat family by the 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,319 end of the game. And it feels like a very 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,120 very ultimate Batman experience. I really really like this game. 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,920 I was expecting to like it, and it basically lift 77 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:21,920 up to all my expectations, which I was very very 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,560 happy about. 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, the movies are coming right, like they're not right. 80 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,879 They got the Batman two and whatever whatever James Gunn 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,800 is doing right, so it's like, don't they'll have other 82 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,160 stuff in the future. But that's to say it feels 83 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:40,519 like complete and you know with a Batman with a 84 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:41,480 comic book anything. 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 5: You know, it's just the way that it like it. 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,959 It's it's not shy about like aging Batman and making 87 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:51,720 time passing. And it's like there's like past Lego Batman games, 88 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,480 uh are I guess just Lego Batman one, But there's 89 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,519 just games where it's like, oh, you'll play the level 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 and it's kind of like maybe there's a chronological order 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,600 in place, but it's a lot more like level based 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,360 and just kind of happening in the quote unquote world 93 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,839 of Batman. And this one is like very much like 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,360 the beginning of the game foreshadows the ending of the game. 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,040 There's characters that will come back and plot points that 96 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,680 will be tied together, and. 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,959 Speaker 6: Like, I guess they could. 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 5: They could theoretically, I guess put in chunks where it's like, oh, 99 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:26,560 we skipped over this chunk of time, so maybe the 100 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,279 Batman two will take place in here, But. 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,959 Speaker 4: It's just like a I don't know. 102 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: It felt like a way that I feel like I 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,079 haven't felt about a game in a while where it's 104 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:40,120 just like, let's honestly superhero stuff in a while. Maybe 105 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,439 that's where my instinct is coming so far from of 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,360 like everyone wants to start a huge franchise, they want 107 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:47,040 it to be the Iron Man one that launches off 108 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:49,360 the MCU, and this is very much that it's like, no, 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,639 this is the Batman game. We're gonna make it all 110 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,160 of as much of Batman as we can cover, and 111 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:56,040 it feels good. 112 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,519 Speaker 4: I'm glad. I'm glad that they did that choice because 113 00:05:58,519 --> 00:05:59,399 it is awesome. 114 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,879 Speaker 1: How does this game kind of compare to like your 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,600 personal because obviously you're you're a huge fan of the 116 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,399 Lego games, Lego Star Wars, Lego Batman. How does this 117 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:14,879 this one compared to like just the general series the 118 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:18,360 Lego games, Like, is it does it reach like the 119 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,120 highest ties for you? Or is it somewhere where is 120 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,879 it kind of fall? Yeah? 121 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: I uh I, I don't think it's It's that crazy 122 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,519 of a thing to say this is the best Lego game, 123 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,040 at the very least the best the best feeling Lego 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:33,920 game to play. 125 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: So not even Lego Batman game, like Lego game. 126 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, like Lego game, all right, it is it. 127 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 5: I just think it approaches the game and the game 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,160 design in a way that's just fundamentally different than what 129 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,480 Lego does, which is, uh, you're most of your like 130 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,360 older era Lego games, and I'm talking like pre Skywicker Saga, 131 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,800 which I think is probably the only other game that's 132 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,399 really in contention for this title, was very much like 133 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:58,319 we have established a sort of formula, a like type 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,319 of level, a way that abilities are distributed throughout characters, 135 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:02,480 and you play a level and you can play it 136 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:04,560 back with free play and use all their characters. They 137 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,160 had like established a formula, and people were getting sick 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,079 of Lego games because they were like even the newest 139 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,120 ones are kind of barely. 140 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,519 Speaker 4: Deviating from this formula. 141 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 5: And this new one is like, we're just gonna kind 142 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,480 of leave the formula behind in a lot of major ways. 143 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,439 So like Lego by even three, one of the biggest 144 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:23,399 points was like there's like a hundred something characters in 145 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:25,240 that game, and it was fun to be like, oh. 146 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,439 Speaker 4: They got Batman and Robin, but they also have the Condiment. 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,839 Speaker 5: King and lar Flees and just all these like obscure, 148 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:35,079 deep cut DC characters, And this one's a lot more 149 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,000 focused of like every bat character has like upgrade trees and. 150 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: I don't know it. 151 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 5: Also, it just feels like some of the design choices 152 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:52,199 are a little bit more I don't know, the rewards 153 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,360 feel a little bit more intentional as opposed to just 154 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,199 for the sake of completion. So like a classic Lego game, 155 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,560 you have ten mini kits in each level which are 156 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,879 just collect we'll have to find, and this one it's 157 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,680 like there's five items you can smash in the environment 158 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,839 that'll unlock a trophy in the bat cave, and then 159 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:10,079 there's five wayn Tech chips. 160 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: Which are like your upgrades that are in each level. 161 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,079 So it's like a little bit more. 162 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: I felt a little bit more incentivized to actually try 163 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,959 to have a completioness play style in this game, because 164 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:21,720 half of it was like actually good character upgrades that 165 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,839 it wanted to have, and then the other half it 166 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,040 was like just only having five that you have to 167 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,319 find is just so much more achievable than ten across 168 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:30,879 the whole thing. So if I have three, I'm like, oh, 169 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,960 I can find two more things pretty easily. It's also 170 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000 not not locked behind like replaying the level like a 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,519 lot of the times it's like, well, you could get 172 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:39,759 this mini kid if you had a character that can 173 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:41,519 double jump, but no one can double jump right now. 174 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: So you have to come back and play it. 175 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 5: And this one's more geared towards like the first time 176 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,559 you play it. If you got sharp eyes you're looking 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,200 for the right things, you'll be able to get all 178 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:49,919 the collectives. 179 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. So what is the overall flow of 180 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:59,440 the game? Is this like like an open world Arkham 181 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,080 Night Arkham City where you're just kind of there's a 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,759 main story, but then it's dumping you back out into 183 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,200 the open world to do side quests and stuff in 184 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,960 between main missions. What's that kind of look like. 185 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's That's pretty much what it is. 186 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 5: The there's like a one pretty linear or pretty line. 187 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: It's a linear story. 188 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 5: There'll be some missions that are kind of taking place 189 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:26,000 in the open world, but generally speaking, you'll have pretty 190 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,559 enclosed levels where you're doing something You're like chasing Redhood 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,200 through Ace chemicals, or you're fighting mister Freeze at Is 192 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,919 Observatory or whatever, and then you're coming out back in 193 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:35,679 the open world. 194 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: And doing open world of Jacksapson stuff. 195 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,519 Speaker 5: The Arkham comparison, I do want to I kind of 196 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,039 touched on it last time we talked about it with 197 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:45,399 the preview, but want to reiterate that it's like it 198 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:49,320 takes the most basic Arkham building blocks and it doesn't 199 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,519 feel dissimilar to those games at all. But I wouldn't 200 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,559 say that if you just want another Arkham game, you 201 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,440 should play this. I don't think it's as much of 202 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,200 a one to one as some people are hoping it is. 203 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,480 It's still is very much like some kind of ven 204 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,480 diagram between Lego and Arkham games. And one of the 205 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,960 things I pointed out on my review is this is 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,840 the first leg game that has difficulties. 207 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 4: Which is great. I'm very happy about that. I played 208 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,679 the whole game on the hardest difficulty. Uh, and I don't. 209 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,120 I don't. 210 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 5: I wasn't really challenged. You have like three lives, and 211 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,399 if you lose, you have four hearts and then three lives. 212 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,039 If you lose all three lives you have to start over. 213 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:26,240 And I lost lives, but I never fully died, and 214 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,000 I wouldn't. I'd say I only actually came close, like 215 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:30,840 once or twice. But for it being the hardest mode, 216 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:32,840 I didn't think it was that hard. I also played 217 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,240 a lot of Arkham games, so maybe that's just a 218 00:10:34,279 --> 00:10:34,919 me thing, but. 219 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 6: I do think. 220 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: I mean you think, like like, if you've played all 221 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:41,559 the Arkham games and you like them, go ahead and 222 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,960 just bump it up just to give yourself a little pushback. 223 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,279 I guess, right, Okay. 224 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I I would honestly even say, 225 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:51,279 like if you've played action games before, like if you're 226 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,679 just if you're just comfortable hitting a counter button and 227 00:10:53,799 --> 00:10:56,039 just seeing that coming and doing that sort of thing. 228 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,440 I don't think there's any I would just recommend most 229 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,639 people that are experiences gamers to just start on Dark 230 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Knight difficulty. 231 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:04,919 Speaker 4: And also like you can turn it down at any time. 232 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 5: As far as I know, the only achievement you get 233 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,399 is for beating one level on Dark Knight difficulty, so 234 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,639 there's not like pressure to stay at the highest difficulty 235 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:17,240 the whole time to get some trophy or something. So yeah, 236 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:19,799 and then the other other obvious part that I haven't 237 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:22,240 really mentioned all that much is it's it's taking elements 238 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,840 from Batman movies and kind of weaving them together into 239 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:29,320 one story, and that's really cool. I watched basically all 240 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,039 the Batman movies this year, so I could be able 241 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,320 to spot all of the references as they came in, 242 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:39,039 and it feels it's just nice to the way that 243 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,679 they recreate some of the scenes of like you chase 244 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,720 down the penguin in the batmobile Allah the Batman and 245 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,120 the camera does that shot where it's like upside down 246 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,879 and Batman's like walking out of the flames line into 247 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:53,240 like penguin upside down, and it's just it's just as 248 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:56,759 very fun. It's it's very much like a game made 249 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,679 by Batman fans that are like, Man wouldn't be cool 250 00:11:58,679 --> 00:11:59,960 if you could fit this part in there. 251 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: And it's weird because like the comic book, the Batman 252 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,320 comic book, excuse me, the Batman movies have always been 253 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:09,879 sort of an amalgamation of like the comics, right, Like 254 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:12,600 the writers and directors always just take like I like 255 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,440 this from Dark Knight returns, I like this from Year one, 256 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,279 and they kind of like mashed things together, right, like 257 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,279 they just pick and choose their favorite things. So it's 258 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,519 weird that it's like this weird snake eating its own tail, 259 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,600 where now the video game is like, oh, we're gonna 260 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 pick take this part from the movie that we like 261 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,080 and this scene and this sort of sort of tone, 262 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,759 and then we're gonna make the video game sort of 263 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:35,360 out of that. And it's like it's it's fun though. 264 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 5: I do like it, Yeah, I uh, I find it 265 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:42,320 interesting too, because it's like it tells it. I would 266 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,200 say it tells a new story, like it tells it 267 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,399 puts the pieces together in a way that hasn't been 268 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,200 put together before. But It is very much like making 269 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,919 something out of existing pieces, but it's also it's it's 270 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:56,039 I think I used the word mythology in my review once. 271 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 It kind of does feel like when someone's like retelling 272 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,559 a Greek myth of like, uh, what's his name? The 273 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,879 labyrinth guy Dadalus is labyrinth and that the minotaur is 274 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,080 in and then him and Nicarus, like like there's a 275 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,080 bunch of different retellings of that story, but all, like 276 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,679 the major beat are the same. This is the same 277 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,679 one where it's like, you know, Batman fights the penguin 278 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,600 before he meets Robin, but the way that he gets 279 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:19,360 Robin is more or. 280 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: Less the same, and et cetera. 281 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,799 Speaker 5: The two references I want to call out is one 282 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:28,039 my favorite sequence, and I think if you're a friend 283 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:30,080 of Arkham games, it'll be your favorite students. My favorite 284 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,360 sequence is in like chapter five or six. It is 285 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:36,360 like a very cool Arkham Asylum reference, like the video 286 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,240 game Arkham asyleunce mostly movies, there's like a few references 287 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:43,960 to the animated series, but that Arkham Asylum sequence is 288 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:45,919 especially is especially very gratifying. 289 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: Also, we're noting that rock Star. 290 00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 5: Or not rock Star, sorry rock Steady is credited in 291 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:54,960 the There's like a few dozen rock Steady employees that 292 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,879 are credited as co developers in the game's credits. 293 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 4: There were people in rock. 294 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 5: Steady that were like involved in making this game, whether 295 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:05,960 that was like, you know, they were literally helping code 296 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,240 the combat system, or they were just brought on as like, 297 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:11,440 you know, maybe they just got made this feel better. 298 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: Yeah you guys okay with this, and they're like, yeah, 299 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,559 I guess so, all right. 300 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 301 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 5: The other one I want to mention, Uh there the 302 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:25,919 section where you get bat Girl is in a section 303 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,360 where you're fighting Firefly, the villain which I believe was 304 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:35,799 the proposed villain in the live action Batgirl movie, Brandon. 305 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,519 I'm wondering if that was originally the plan and then 306 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:43,559 they scrapped the Batgirl movie and so they just kind 307 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:45,000 of had to make something else up. This is like 308 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:47,039 pure speculation, but that was one of the things that 309 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,120 I was like, this is the only sequence that I 310 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:52,679 can't really directly tie to an existing property, and I 311 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,559 wonder if like that was the original plan and then 312 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:59,960 we change it. But yeah, I had a list of 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,240 other things I wanted to mention. Specifically, I wrote these 314 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,799 down as notes that are like two minor to put 315 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,000 in a review, but then like like so pros, I like, 316 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,200 you can one hundred percent level on your first try. 317 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: You don't need to go back, which I mentioned that already. 318 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 5: When you're gliding in the open world, you can click 319 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 the sprint button and basically just like jet across the 320 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:23,600 open world, and it just feels so good. I just 321 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:25,840 love that you can you can get around this world 322 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,919 very very quickly. Yeah, if you stun someone by hitting 323 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:32,360 them with a gadget enough times, they get like dizzy, 324 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,960 and then you do like the the beat down animation 325 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:36,279 from the Arkham Games. 326 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,759 Speaker 1: I put that in the review, and it's okay. 327 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 5: You can even do the thing where you're beating someone 328 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,360 down and then you have to counter, and you counter 329 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,240 that guy and then you go back to punching the 330 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:45,799 first guy. 331 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,919 Speaker 4: That's like one of my favorite, like, uh, just things 332 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,840 in the Arkham Games. Riddler. 333 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 5: They're not Riddler trophies, they're like Riddler puzzle boxes. But 334 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,360 those are in this game, all of the Arkham Games, 335 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,799 all over the open world. And I don't want to 336 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,320 spoil what it is, but there is a Riddler like 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,720 character that also has his own set of challenges, so 338 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,120 it's kind of a twist on it just being the Riddler. 339 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:09,879 Speaker 4: There's two of. 340 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 5: Them and each have like about an equal number of 341 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:15,000 things to do, so it's not just listing the same 342 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:19,919 guy every time. Oh, Gotham City, this is a broader one. 343 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,320 Gotham City is really cool. I think there's a in general, 344 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,639 just like an entity as an open world setting in 345 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:34,919 this game. It works really well because the way the 346 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,559 streets are designed and the way the buildings are designed, 347 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,799 it's not like a straightforward grid. It's it's actually I 348 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,519 actually really feel like I'm exploring the space because I 349 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:47,440 don't know what's going to be around the corner, and 350 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,039 the buildings are very much varied heights. There's like normal trains, 351 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,919 and then there's those trains that like hang from the 352 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,519 top that are going around yeah, and then there's all 353 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:00,759 these different like landmarks in there. It just is I've 354 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:02,399 been going through and trying one hundred percent of the 355 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,160 past few days after I beat it, and it's just 356 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:07,599 is very cool to explore and feel like I'm not 357 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:09,920 I'm not just like Oh, here's another building I'm gonna 358 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,599 jump on top of. It's like, oh, this is a 359 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:12,799 different this is a different building. 360 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 4: It's really cool. 361 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: Civilians say really funny things just on the streets of 362 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:18,839 Gotham City. 363 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,519 Speaker 4: One of them said, am I made of buildings? Or 364 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:22,880 are buildings made of me? 365 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 5: And that's all that's all we get from. There's a 366 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,079 lot of unique business logos, so like names of stores 367 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,200 and stuff. A lot of them are references. There's a 368 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:38,720 lay minifigure which is like ley miz Le Miserabla, but 369 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,319 it's just like the legos. Instead of Cats the musical, 370 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,640 there's Bats the musical and it's got Man Bat and 371 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 it says starring Kirk Langstrom. But then there's also stuff 372 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:52,279 like there's Gothamburger, but it's stylized to look like got Hamburger, 373 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:55,440 and that's just like a recurring brand you see. And 374 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,359 there's just a lot of like I'm just surprised all 375 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,559 kind of land on a Rand Street corner and be like, oh, 376 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:01,400 this is an art store and they designed a logo 377 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,640 for an art store and it's not a reference to anything, 378 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,319 and it just feel it makes the city feel a 379 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,079 lot more lively. 380 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: I bet that was a fun environment art team to 381 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:09,640 be a part of. 382 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:11,279 Speaker 4: Yes, that'd be great. 383 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,079 Speaker 5: Oh there's also graffiti, but they're like it's all just 384 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,160 like really basic, just negative words where it'll just be 385 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:23,039 like super crazy greview that just says nope, or like 386 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:27,000 in Big Green text will be like silly and just stuff. 387 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,799 Speaker 2: Like that, which I appreciated. 388 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,839 Speaker 5: And then the other thing is I can definitely think 389 00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:34,440 of some Batman villains that aren't in this game, but 390 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,200 between like major missions and a lot of like cameos 391 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,319 and side missions and especially like that Arkham sequence, there 392 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,000 are few Batman villains that don't pop up in this 393 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:45,400 game in some way, which is cool. 394 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 4: Hell yeah. 395 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,079 Speaker 5: My minor cons one is that in the open world, 396 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:52,960 there's always two people you can play in the split 397 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,559 screen cop one of the characters is always has to 398 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:57,160 be Batman. 399 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,279 Speaker 4: The other character is everyone else. 400 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 5: So I would have fun if it was like Catwoman 401 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,359 and Batgirl running around, or like Jim Gordon and Nightwing. 402 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Like I like the idea of experimenting with different duos 403 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,640 and just seeing like what they would say to each other, 404 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:12,519 but it's always at one, but you're always just kind 405 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:13,559 of picking your sidekick. 406 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,559 Speaker 1: Yes, and it does the GTA thing right, like the 407 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,279 GTA five thing were like they are doing their own 408 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,519 thing in the world, and then you can teleport to them. Right, No, 409 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,079 misinterpreted some footage I was looking at. 410 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: They're they're following you. I mean you can, Yeah, you 411 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,599 can fast travel when you want to, but they're if 412 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:35,799 you're playing single player, they're just falling around. If you're 413 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,319 playing on it okay co op, the other person can 414 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:39,880 go like all the way to the opposite side of 415 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,480 the city. Like there's no like spatial limit that they 416 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,440 have to stay near you, which is cool, and that'd 417 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,000 probably be a good way to like try one hundred 418 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,920 percent the game. It's just going through And now the 419 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,720 problem is sometimes there's puzzles that like need multiple characters 420 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,680 to do stuff, so that might be kind of annoying, 421 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,160 but yeah, I just And also, if you were playing 422 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,920 with someone else, like if I was playing with my brother, 423 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,359 one of us would always be Batman, who just kind 424 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,559 of naturally has more abilities than everyone else. The other 425 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,680 person gets to be everyone else, and so you kind 426 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,960 of have to like share by like switching the slots. 427 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,160 There's like a button to initiate a character swap if 428 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,039 it's like, well, I want to be you know, ta y'all? 429 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,079 Ghoul in this mission, you can be whoever you want 430 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:15,240 to be. 431 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 432 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 5: Also, characters are locked to their own vehicle, so I 433 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,119 can summon the Batmobile, but if I'm playing as Robin, 434 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,599 I can't get in the batmobile. Batman has to get 435 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,279 into Batmobile, which is interesting. 436 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: But they all have their but they all have their 437 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,240 own vehicles, like, yes, Gordon has like a police cruiser, 438 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:33,240 I'm assuming and stuff like. 439 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:33,839 Speaker 4: That he's got. 440 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,279 Speaker 5: Gordon has a police cruiser, a motorcycle, and a swat van. 441 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,680 Robin has the Robin Cycle and then the Robin Mobile 442 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:44,680 right now. 443 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,319 Speaker 4: And then there's another one I haven't unlocked yet. 444 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: It's very funny the way that they have multiple there's 445 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,920 multiple for each then. 446 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:52,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, everyone has a lot of vehicles. I 447 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,240 would say, I take that back. Batman has a lot 448 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:57,440 of vehicles. Everyone else has. 449 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: Like three to five depending on the character. Usually three. 450 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,319 Speaker 5: That's more than I was expecting. So it is funny 451 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,000 to see, like, all right, night Wing, we can get 452 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:08,920 a good amount of costumes for Nightwing. We can get 453 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,440 like fifteen night Wing costumes if we really stretch the 454 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,680 lore a little bit. Night Wing vehicles, I guess maybe, Well, 455 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,599 we got the night cycle that's a new one. But 456 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,599 maybe we'll get him just kind of a plane motorcycle, 457 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:24,680 and then maybe he's got a regular car and that's 458 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,400 just Dick Grayson's car. 459 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:26,799 Speaker 4: I don't know. 460 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,559 Speaker 1: That's just kind of is the bat Wing in this game. 461 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: No, you cannot fly, which I think would be fun. 462 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,519 Speaker 5: That was what I was thinking, by the way, was 463 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,920 I was like, if they do a sequel to a 464 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,279 quote unquote sequel, I think the only way to really 465 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,440 follow up on this would be like a Superman game 466 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,480 or like some other game where you're like celebrating a 467 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:47,720 character's full legacy just on the note flying. 468 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 4: That's what I thought of. 469 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 470 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: My other two things are one, Robin and Nightwing are 471 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:58,720 mechanically different characters, but they're they're like too similar for 472 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,720 my liking. Their gadgets are basically the same, except Nightwings 473 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:05,440 do electrical stuff, so they both can make like a 474 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:07,960 cable launcher, but night Wings can also be used to 475 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,440 like carry electricity, and the Nightwing has the same birder rings, 476 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,440 except their electric burder rings also, and I just kind 477 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,680 of wish that we had like they also both fight 478 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,240 with the Eskima sticks, and I wish like maybe Robin 479 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:19,160 had the staff and night. 480 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: We had the sticks, or you could switch between them 481 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:21,079 or something. 482 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: But what's that word you just said, eskrima sticks. 483 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,079 Speaker 5: That's the name for night wings. Yeah, I learned that 484 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:36,680 from the Arkham City DLC that that's just what his things. Also, 485 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:38,960 Robin can make tight ropes and you can't grapple to them, 486 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,680 which is odd to me. Like you can make a 487 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,799 platform to land on, you gotta kind of grapple around 488 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,839 them and then land on them, and. 489 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: I just feel like it'd be nicer to be able 490 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,480 to do that. And then the last thing is that my. 491 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,799 Speaker 5: Main ripe with the open world is there's no mini 492 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:55,079 map and there's no GPS. So if I want to 493 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,599 set an icon and I'm like I'm gonna get across 494 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359 the town and I'm in a vehicle, I just kind 495 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,079 of have to drive until I see a right turn. 496 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,559 You just kind of have to figure it out just 497 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:06,480 knowing that it's in that direction. I have a tips 498 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,480 guy that's probably going up the day that we're recording this. 499 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:10,480 I'll probably be live by the time anyone's watching, But 500 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:12,519 one of my tips in there is like just glide 501 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,200 everywhere you can do like a grapple boost and then 502 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,359 you can sprint glide and it's just a lot faster 503 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,680 to go in a straight line than it is to 504 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,440 try to get in a car and maneuver all. 505 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 4: The roads and stuff. 506 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,759 Speaker 5: So got Yeah, that's I gave it. I gave an 507 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:27,559 eight seven to five. 508 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,319 Speaker 4: My other gripes, I don't love the stealth. I think 509 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,920 it's okay. 510 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 5: It's not super important in a lot of sequences, like 511 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,000 if you fail. 512 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: If breaks into combat rather than like fail stating you. 513 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's combat against like more guys than you 514 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:46,240 have to stealthily take down. But I never had an 515 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:47,920 issue where I was like, oh, this is terrible. I 516 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,319 can't believe I got caught. This is ruining my time. Yeah, 517 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,599 and then there it is like a little bit buggy. 518 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: Still. 519 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 5: I'll try to I'll try to grapple to a ledge 520 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,839 and sometimes it won't land on. Sometimes you'll press a 521 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:01,839 but until like walk forward in it interact with a thing, 522 00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:03,640 and characters will get stuck or freeze up for a 523 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,119 little bit. I never had any issues where it like 524 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,559 broke the game or crashed or even sent me back 525 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440 all that much. But it's just like a noticeable like 526 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,359 just launch bugs that I hope get worked out, but 527 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,200 honestly wouldn't be. 528 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 4: The end of the world. 529 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: They weren't. 530 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 5: So eight and five just Shiva nine personally for me 531 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,880 did absolutely everything that I would want out of a 532 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,240 Batman game, and I'm very very happy and very satisfied. 533 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: Well awesome, you know, I can't wait to play this. 534 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,599 I'm I haven't do you know how it runs on 535 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,400 Steam Deck. Have you had a chance to try that? 536 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,720 I have not. 537 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 5: I played on PS five where I did, I did 538 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,799 play in the quality graphics mode, and the way that 539 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,519 like the rain rolls off of these lego dudes is 540 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:44,079 really good. 541 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: It's just as very very good. 542 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to the only person I've ever met to 543 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:50,400 play in quality mode. 544 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 5: I wasn't going to, and then it was kind of 545 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,400 the default setting and I usually like to check it 546 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,759 out if I'm doing the review. And then as it 547 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:00,880 was going on, I was like, I don't I actually care. 548 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,119 I'm not, like, I don't really need the extra frames 549 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,640 in this city. 550 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a third person lego game, Like, yeah, that's 551 00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:13,240 cool though. Yeah, I I've got a work trip I'm 552 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:17,880 going on as of this recording tomorrow but I'll probably 553 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,880 be back by the time this episode goes up, but 554 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,000 I want to try to bring Lego Batman with me 555 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,359 because I'm I'm dying to play. 556 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:26,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. 557 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,799 Speaker 1: Well cool, Well, hey, Kyle, let's go over to you. 558 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:36,079 You've been playing Yoshi in the Mysterious Book. A new 559 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Yoshi game? How what is it? Number one? Because I 560 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,559 feel like this one kind of snuck up on me. 561 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,359 I think I skipped Ano direct that this was on 562 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,200 or something, and I knew there was a new Yoshi 563 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720 game coming out, but I feel like I don't know 564 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,839 a ton, so I would love for you to fill 565 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,759 me in. What's what's the gist of the game? How 566 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:56,039 is it? 567 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,279 Speaker 2: Does it execute all that it's intention? Yeah? Yeah, I 568 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,960 mean prepare for less passion than Charles and Lego Batman. 569 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,799 But that's not to say like it's like a terrible 570 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,039 or a bad game, really, but it is. It is 571 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,680 different than the Yoshi's before it. Yoshi's kind of weird though, 572 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,799 because it's, like, you know, I love Yoshi's Island, like 573 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,839 just one of my favorite Super Nintendo games, a game 574 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:20,799 that I will revisit every couple of years, like on 575 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,960 my switch or something. Like that, and I'm just forever 576 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,279 charmed by it. That's a game that will always look 577 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,640 good and feel good, you know. But every sub just 578 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:33,920 pretty much every subsequent Yoshi game has like really gotten 579 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,359 away from that initial idea of like transporting Baby Mario. 580 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,559 Like there was Yoshi's Island DS, which was not very good, 581 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,640 and there was Yoshi's New Island, which was also not 582 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,039 very good. But pretty much like all the other Yoshi 583 00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,960 games are like something a little different, and this one 584 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,400 is arguably the most different, I think, because it's like 585 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,039 if you could imagine like Yoshi gameplay, right, you're eating 586 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,240 bad guys and you're pooping out eggs and you can 587 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,839 throw the eggs. Like that accounts for like like five 588 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,960 percent of the game. Like it's like it's almost like 589 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480 they were just sort of like that mechanic is just 590 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,039 kind of grandfathered in where it's like we kind of 591 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:15,200 just have to have this here. But like the vast 592 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,119 majority of the game is like you just sort of 593 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,119 like poking around a level and seeing what kind of 594 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,880 interactions happen, and then you get like points for every 595 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,160 little interaction that you find, which unlocks like more levels, 596 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,519 and you know that's kind of the trajectory of the game. 597 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,440 So it's like it's not that you go into a 598 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,799 level and you try to get to the end, you know, 599 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,279 by doing a bunch of platforming challenges. It's like you 600 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,319 go into a level and you like check out all 601 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,000 the corners and you jump around and like you maybe 602 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,559 throw eggs at things, and like you're just trying to 603 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,359 find interactions. Like so for example, like the first thing 604 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,079 you get is like a little flower that you can 605 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,160 either eat and have it as an egg or you 606 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,559 can pop it on Yoshi's back. And then when you 607 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,680 have it on your back, if you run past like 608 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680 flowers that have in blue and yet the flowers will bloom, 609 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,319 and the mister e the book that you're inside of 610 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,519 that you're exploring, will acknowledge it and be like, oh, 611 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,279 that's an interesting thing that happens. And then maybe you 612 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,440 jump in some mud and the flower on your back 613 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,440 gets muddy, and the book is like, oh, the flowers 614 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,279 can get muddy, and then you walk through the water 615 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,519 and they get clean, and the book is like, oh, okay, 616 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,960 like you can clean muddy creatures when that happens, and 617 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,519 like that's like the most basic example and then there's 618 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,440 stuff that's like you know, you know, you find this 619 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,880 creature you put on your back, you can go fishing, 620 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,039 you can like get a magnet, you can like pick 621 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,599 up trash on the bottom of the of the water. 622 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,880 I'm trying to think of some of the more complicated ones. 623 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,400 I don't want to like spoil any necessarily, but like, 624 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,039 but that that's what the game is. 625 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,319 Speaker 3: Like. 626 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:48,279 Speaker 2: You're just trying to find everything that you could conceivably 627 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,599 do in a level, and that is interesting and it 628 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,400 is rewarding for the book to basically be like kind 629 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680 of watching you play and then saying like, oh, look 630 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680 at all this stuff you figured out. That's cool, And 631 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,039 then it might give you a hint that's like, hey, 632 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,319 have you thought about me? There's that like big you 633 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,160 know pine cone over there, Have you done anything with that? 634 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720 And that's and that's it's so it ultimately is a 635 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,799 puzzle game more than a platformer because you're just trying 636 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,119 to like find everything you can do on a level, 637 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,440 and sometimes, like I said, like that is very rewarding. 638 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,480 You do something by accident, you do something you don't 639 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,160 expect to happen, and then you get sort of a 640 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,640 little acknowledgment of it, and you it's like, oh, I 641 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,000 didn't think that would happen. That's cool. Or there's the 642 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,240 version where it's like I think this might happen and 643 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,519 then it does and it's like oh cool. But then 644 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,319 there's the other the third thing that is like, you know, 645 00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,200 you should look for a cave, and it's like, okay, 646 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,119 well what does that mean? Like I I don't know. 647 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,880 I guess I'll just like try to find a cave, 648 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480 and then I do. And it's like the puzzle was 649 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:46,240 that I had to get into this cave. It was 650 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,480 in a weird spot, you know, which is like less interesting, 651 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,680 and the puzzle is just. 652 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: You like platforming up to the cave. 653 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like that's one example. Like I had to jump 654 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,599 on a bird, you know, and like fly it and 655 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,720 find it the right place to go, you know, and 656 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,559 then there were a bunch of birds up there that's 657 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,720 like where the nest was and stuff like that. Or 658 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,480 like you know, are. 659 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,119 Speaker 5: These like, uh, how are like the levels split up? 660 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,359 Is this like a big open space you keep going 661 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880 back to? Are they different areas that you're experimenting with 662 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,640 all these things? 663 00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:21,079 Speaker 2: Or no, it's it's it's individual levels, right, and then 664 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,039 it's like if you can think of like if you 665 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,759 can think of like Yochi's Island, right, like classical gells, 666 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:30,519 you have like the sort of the collection of stages 667 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,480 that are maybe thematically similar, but they're each an individual level, 668 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,960 and then there's like another set of sort of somewhat 669 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440 thematically similar levels and you know, and so that's how 670 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,200 that is. Like you start in a sort of a 671 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,079 jungle and maybe the second level is more of like 672 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,119 an icy mountain, and then there's like smallish you know, 673 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,400 there's like six or seven smallish levels that you go 674 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,400 into within those worlds, and there's like ten total, but 675 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,480 you like you quote unquote beat the game after you 676 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,680 do the first six, like you see credits of six, 677 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,079 and then there's like a bunch of it, which is 678 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:01,000 like a thing that I like with my Nintendo games, 679 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,400 Like this is like we'll give you sort of a 680 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,160 conclusion and a satisfying experience like at the like fifty 681 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,319 percent mark, but there's like a bunch of extra stuff afterward, 682 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,720 and and frankly that's kind of where the most interesting 683 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,720 stuff is. You know, like the same with like Odyssey 684 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720 or something like that, and but there's no like you 685 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,359 don't take damage, you can't die. It's it's very much like, uh, 686 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640 it's tough with these things because it's like it would 687 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,359 be a good first game for like a young player, 688 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,559 but it does require a lot of reading, which is 689 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:37,960 always kind of a tough thing with like Nintendo games 690 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,839 that I would run into when my daughter was younger, 691 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,319 is like, I think you would really like this, but 692 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,119 like you're not quite there on reading yet, and maybe 693 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,839 that's and maybe that's okay because then you just kind 694 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:48,079 of sit with your kid and you play the game 695 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,240 and you read it to them, which is funny. 696 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: And there's no like narration or voiceover. 697 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,319 Speaker 2: No, it's like gibberish, you know, like the book will 698 00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:58,039 sometimes be like oh blah blah blah blah, Yoshi, you 699 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,200 know which is which is charming? It's it's all very charming. 700 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,759 I gave it a seven seventy five. I sort of 701 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,240 missed the challenge of Classic Yoshi, but like I also 702 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:07,960 acknowledge that this is like it's trying to do its 703 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400 own thing. I mean, it's it's not beholden to that 704 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640 like thirty year old game at this point that I 705 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,599 do love, like I do love that game, but I 706 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,359 just I like, I just I wanted a little bit 707 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,519 more sort of challenge, Like I wanted something, and there's 708 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,000 really not much here to sort of push against the player. 709 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,400 And that's by design, you know, like that's what they 710 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,119 wanted to be a very inviting, friendly experience, and it is. 711 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,519 But I ultimately just was kind of like it was 712 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,000 just okay, you know, I just was like not over 713 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,920 the over the moon for it. I didn't really ever 714 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,559 get like fully engaged and like want to find everything, 715 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,200 you know. It was more just like, Okay, I've done 716 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:47,559 enough things here. I think I'm ready to go to 717 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,200 the next level. 718 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 6: Now. 719 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, what's your what? What do you what do 720 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,880 you love about the game or like about the game? 721 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Like what are your favorite parts of it? 722 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: About the mysterious book? Right specifically, I didn't know if 723 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,079 you meant Yoshi as a genre. It looks great. I 724 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,279 love the look of it because it's like when you 725 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,079 go inside the pages of the book, you're kind of 726 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,200 like sort of like a stop motion look. I mean 727 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,240 like Spider Verse kind of just started this trend and 728 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,680 animation where people were like, we don't need all every 729 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,880 single frame here that's that's that's excessive, you know, but 730 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,039 it's like it's a trend that I totally embrace and 731 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,440 I'm fine with, you know, like I don't. I think 732 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,880 it looks good. I think it makes action more readable, 733 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,640 you know, in films and in video games too, and 734 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240 especially and it's so so I like the way it looks. 735 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,000 It's got this kind of papery look to it, and 736 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,240 it's kind of like stop motion, and all the different 737 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,240 creatures that you find are are really well animated and 738 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,359 interesting and they do weird, unexpected things like That's that's 739 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,279 kind of the focus of the game, which was I 740 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,319 think maybe I kind of skipped over. Is like you're 741 00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,319 trying to learn about all the different creatures that are 742 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,039 within the pages of this book, and so you're sort 743 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,799 of like going in as a researcher because the book, 744 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,960 the books this this is very complicated, you guys. But 745 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920 the book's eyeballs are outside of the book. It's on 746 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,880 the front of the book, so it can't look inside 747 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,360 the pages of the book. You know. It's kind of 748 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,679 like us trying to like look at our backs without 749 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,880 a mirror. You know, you have to have a yoshi 750 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,239 to do that for you. Yeah, so, I mean that's 751 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,119 so it's like the toe, like the mood, the charming 752 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,480 like sort of just bubbly tone and like the sort 753 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,599 of and when you do sort of come across interesting 754 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,039 puzzle bits, I do like that, but I just it 755 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,440 was kind of it's like a cotton candy game. You know, 756 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480 it's just kind of like empty calories. It just doesn't 757 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:35,679 really like stick with you or really pull you through 758 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,599 in a in a radical way other than it just 759 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:38,920 looking really pretty. 760 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 6: You know. 761 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,199 Speaker 5: Hm, did you find the like later levels, like how 762 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,960 much of it did you play after like the credits? 763 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,920 A bunch like I played. I played a lot after credits. Yeah, 764 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,920 I didn't like one hundred percent the game or anything 765 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,280 like that, but but yeah, I mean that is where, 766 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,119 like I said, like some of the more interesting stuff 767 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,280 is like that's where you'll find even like some specific 768 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,480 references to like Yoshi's Island, my beloved Yoshi's Island, which 769 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,519 is cool and like fun to see. 770 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 771 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just wondering how much that kind of 772 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,199 answered my question. Does it get notably more complicated or 773 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480 difficult or interesting after that level? Is it like a 774 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,000 this is how much you have to play, and then 775 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:20,719 after this is kind of for the people that are 776 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,039 more dedicated that want to see kind of the length 777 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,199 that the system can go to. 778 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: That that's kind of it. It's it never it never 779 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,280 crests into like, oh this is It's not like Kirby 780 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,760 right where you hit a certain point where you're like, oh, 781 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,280 this is where the sort of like the challenge of 782 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,280 the game was hiding. It's never that, But there is 783 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,400 just like more interesting stuff after the credits, and your 784 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,039 tools to solve the puzzles are are better and like 785 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:50,000 more diverse, you know. Nice. But yeah, it's just it's 786 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,199 ultimately just like Okay, like I I was thinking about it, 787 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,119 and I I have played every Yoshi game. I think 788 00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,000 I haven't beaten every Yoshi game, but I have at 789 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,480 least played them. And I would put this like like 790 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:09,599 I said, above like Yoshi sixty four and I would 791 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,119 put it above Yoshi's New Island for three DS and 792 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,719 and Yoshi's Island DS. I've heard the titles get kind 793 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,880 of weird, like I would put it above those because 794 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960 those games were like a little bit more beholden to 795 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400 Yoshi's Island to a fault, right, like they like especially 796 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,119 the DS one, which I was so excited for it 797 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,239 because it was like meant to be a proper sequel 798 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,920 to Yoshi's Island and like Baby Peach was in it, 799 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,280 and Baby Donkey Kong and Baby Mario, and I was like, well, 800 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,039 this seems cool. And I remember playing it for like 801 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,119 an hour and being like this is not doing it 802 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,199 for me at all, and then Yoshi's New Island again, 803 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,840 which was like this is the one where we're trying 804 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,840 to do the callback felt like crap, Like I just 805 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,519 did not It just played so bad on the three DS. 806 00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:50,719 I don't know what was going on there. I don't 807 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,039 know what happened there. But this, this plays well, This 808 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:56,400 looks good. It sets itself apart from that sort of 809 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,559 the Super Nintendo game in an interesting way of feels 810 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,960 like one of those instances where like which happens sometimes, 811 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,480 which I like, frankly, is where Nintendo kind of has 812 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,880 an idea of like we came up with this gameplay 813 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,280 mechanic where you just kind of like go around and 814 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,880 you figure out all the interactions you can do, and 815 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,119 then they're sort of like, well who fits that, you know, like, 816 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,280 what what franchise can we like use as the sort 817 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,760 of you know, the secret ingredient to kind of get 818 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,119 you in to try this new mechanic, and like, I'm 819 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,000 I'm fine with that, you know, Like I don't I 820 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,880 don't mind when they sort of use their sort of 821 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960 properties to like trick me into playing something I didn't 822 00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:36,000 realize that I wanted to play. That works out really 823 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,639 well for them often. But yeah, but this one is 824 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,280 which is like kind of a lame like review. I admit, 825 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,639 it's just like it's just okay, you know, it's just 826 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,159 it's fine, you guys, just fine. 827 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,679 Speaker 1: Well cool, Well that that that's sad to hear. 828 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,639 Speaker 2: I was hoping good. But if you love Yoshi, you 829 00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:59,360 get to hang out with Yoshi, it's good. 830 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 5: I think it's hard, like this time of the year 831 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,840 to hear a game is just okay because it's like, well, 832 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,719 there's like nine really good. 833 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,519 Speaker 4: Games a lot of people are very excited about that. 834 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 5: I'll probably get to and then by the time i'd 835 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,840 get to Yoshi, it'll be like the Fall and there'll 836 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,519 be other stuff. 837 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's a kid out there who walked 838 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,400 out of Super Mario Galaxy Movie and was like, Yoshi's 839 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,840 the best thing that's ever happened to me, and then 840 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,079 this is gonna be available for them and it's super solid, 841 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,000 you know. But if you're an old if you're an 842 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,639 old man like Lover, Yeah no, don Vover's not in 843 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,960 this game as far as I know. But if you're 844 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,920 like an old man like me who's just like loved 845 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,000 Yoshi's Island, and it's like has always kind of checked 846 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,840 in with the series, like this one is like it's 847 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,440 it's interesting, but it's not it's not like a it's 848 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,639 not destination gaming. 849 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 3: Nice. 850 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,559 Speaker 1: Well, before we get out of here, I did want 851 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,440 to just take like five minutes and chat about Thicke 852 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,360 as Thieves, which is the the new game from Other 853 00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:00,159 Side Entertainment. It's like an immersive stealth action game. This 854 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,280 is the game that is kind of partially funded by 855 00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,599 Warren Specter and kind of overseen by his studio Make 856 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,559 a Bit Publishing is obviously publishing it. But I have 857 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:19,360 played two missions so far of Thicke as Thieves, and 858 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,159 this is the one. It was originally supposed to be 859 00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:25,559 PVPVE so there was like you know, play verse player, 860 00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:31,280 get in, try to try to get what you can like, uh, 861 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,039 you know, loot wise treasure wise, because your thieves stealing 862 00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,280 gyms and stuff and you would have like a score 863 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:41,920 and then you would try to get out without you know, 864 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,360 getting getting seen. But there were other thieves at play 865 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,199 that got changed. I mean, we did a feature in 866 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,800 January on the game where like I had an interview 867 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,000 somewhat exclusive interview with the team, uh, and they were 868 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,679 telling us about, you know, their plans for this, and 869 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,360 then like a month or two later, they came out 870 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,719 and said, actually, here's the new the next look at 871 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,440 Thickest Thieves and it's actually a single player and co 872 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:06,920 op game. 873 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,199 Speaker 3: Now. 874 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, that's like way different change this 875 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:18,679 extraction sort of stealth game with immersive elements. And so 876 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,079 I've been playing it and I have to admit I 877 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,039 was kind of I was kind of bummed about the change. 878 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,159 I it's been. You know, stealth games are rare, but 879 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,239 asymmetrical stealth multiplayer games are even rarer. And for fans 880 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,000 of games like Spies Verse Merks like me from from 881 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,679 splinter Cell back in the day, you know, you when 882 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,000 you hear about these kind of like, oh, we're kind 883 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,559 of getting new one of these things, sort of you 884 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,719 get excited, and so I was. Actually I know a 885 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,119 lot of people were probably like, oh cool, it's like 886 00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,199 single player now or like co op you know, co 887 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:52,840 op focused. 888 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,119 Speaker 2: But yeah, but also like I'm not a big stealth guy, 889 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,639 so it's like, I don't know if you sure needed 890 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,559 to appeal to me necessarily, you know, but like it. 891 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,679 I will admit, like it did sort of make me 892 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719 a little more interested yet, but that's just my yes. 893 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: And my guess is like it just wasn't working how 894 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,559 they wanted it to work, and they're like, Okay, let's go, 895 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,519 let's do what we know and like make this thing 896 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,920 work for single player and co op. I think they 897 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,360 think they have said like I think they've said that, 898 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,400 like they want to eventually consider bringing that element back, 899 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,920 but they just needed to launch it. And the big 900 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,800 I think the big the cool thing about this game 901 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:38,800 is right now, it is five dollars. It's four that's 902 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,440 the price. And this is the introductory campaign, as they 903 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:51,480 call it. So the introductory campaign is has two maps, 904 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:55,960 so it has the the whole world that this game 905 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,480 takes place in is called kill Cairn, and you are 906 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,519 essentially trying to like make your way like you've recently 907 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,440 become a member of a thieves guild, and they are 908 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,800 like sending you these cryptic clues and missions to go 909 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,960 on across these two maps. And there are three different 910 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,559 mission types. I haven't seen all of them. I've only 911 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,920 two missions and like sixteen contracts that you can pick 912 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440 up across. I think what they say is like roughly 913 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,840 a four hour campaign that takes you through like two 914 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,639 of these maps. 915 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 2: And this is like they're not calling this early access. 916 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: No, they are not. And I even reached out to 917 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,480 PR and I was like, hey, I'm reviewing this thing. 918 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,360 I really am trying to wrap my brain around what 919 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,440 what this is this early campaign? And they literally said, 920 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,519 or this this like kind of introductory campaign, And They're 921 00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,840 like it is an introductory campaign, and I'm like, okay, 922 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,360 so it's kind. 923 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,119 Speaker 5: Of more like more like an episodic release set. Like 924 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,599 maybe that's the closest comparison you could do. 925 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, Like yeah, like there are like this is 926 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,119 a five dollars buy in and you get two well 927 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:12,280 designed maps. Like I so far, I have enjoyed exploring 928 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,599 the maps. I think my verdict is still out on 929 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,559 like what I think about the game as a whole, 930 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,559 but like level design wise, the maps are interesting and 931 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,559 and you know it's got that immersive sim thing where 932 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,960 there's multiple ways through a mission and multiple avenues to 933 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,880 get into way you're trying to get into and you 934 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,519 are playing as I believe there are two characters right 935 00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,480 now that you can play as, the Spider and then 936 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,199 the Chameleon, and the Spider comes with I haven't actually 937 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,800 unlocked the Chameleon, but the Spider she has like a 938 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,159 grapple gun, like a crank grapple gun that like gets 939 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,039 you up high and she can throw smoke bombs. And 940 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,480 as you complete these missions, you the money that you 941 00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,360 get from completing them, you can buy new like gadgets, 942 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,559 and that's how you like unlock the maps as well. 943 00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,800 Back in your hideout, you can definitely tell like there 944 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,800 are the the bones of like a multiplayer and like 945 00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:15,639 diegetic lobby system in your hideout, and it's like so 946 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,119 it's like just a little I don't know, it's a 947 00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:18,920 little weird, but. 948 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 2: The remnant of the sort of MODI. 949 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a remnant. I think like maybe 950 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:26,280 if I hadn't known that like this thing was supposed 951 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,960 to be this in this other form. It wouldn't I 952 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,719 wouldn't really think of it, you know, because it there's functions, 953 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239 Like everything has a function. It's not like there's just like, oh, 954 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,760 what is this doing here that you can't do anything 955 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,840 with this, you know, but like at the end of 956 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,400 your mission, like there's also things like as you're playing 957 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,840 and you steal an item from like a rare item 958 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,679 that you make it to like after you get past 959 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,519 all these traps and turrets and guards, you pick up 960 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,880 this like rare like owl statue and it says at 961 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,639 the top of your screen it's van ake and has 962 00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,920 stolen the owl statue, and it's like, yeah, I'm the 963 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,000 in this game. And so it's like there are remnants 964 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,039 of like, oh yeah, this was like I mean it 965 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,920 would I guess it could be helpful and co opt 966 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,320 to know, like when your friend took a piece of it, 967 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400 you know, but when you're just by yourself in the map, 968 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,159 it's just like, oh, yeah, this was like gonna be 969 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:17,239 a multiplayer game. 970 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 2: Maybe it's kind of like Yoshan and Mysterious Book, where 971 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,960 it's just acknowledging the things that you're doing, yeah, exact 972 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,320 way to make you feel rewarded, you know, and it's 973 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,480 like my screen name too, so it's not like the 974 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,800 spider has like it's like very much like your online 975 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,039 name has taken this item. But yeah, there's like I 976 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,199 think there's six pieces of gear in the game right now. 977 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800 I have not unlocked the Chameleon yet. I'm still working 978 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,880 my way through the game, so I'm hoping to finish 979 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,199 that this week. It's just I've just been kind of busy. 980 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: But I did want to talk about it. I am 981 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,440 happy to have another, you know, immersive sim ish sort 982 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,960 of game. I think a lot of their like their 983 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,440 traps and solutions to traps and that kind of thing. 984 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,719 They're cool, they're fun. I think I still need to 985 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,039 see how the challenge of it all comes together and 986 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,960 see how multiple runs, because you're like going back to 987 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,880 this place to do new things there and I want 988 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,400 to see like what that's like, if there's substance there, 989 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,840 that sort of thing. But I think this game has 990 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,360 kind of come out. It's going to be out by 991 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,360 the time you're listening to this podcast. So if you 992 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,079 want to check out a new stealth game that is 993 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:29,440 co op, I haven't been able to test the co 994 00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,000 op myself. It's not active yet until the game comes out, 995 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,280 and but you're like wanting like that think of it 996 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,039 like almost like a dishonored light, you know, like what 997 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,880 if like there was Like it's not it's more than 998 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,679 a tech demo. It's an introductory campaign. Everybody. It's five 999 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,000 dollars the introductory campaign. And I asked them about, like 1000 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:51,519 is there a roadmap. They're like, we're gonna wait to 1001 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,360 see what our players are enjoying about the game and 1002 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,159 get their feedback and then go from there. 1003 00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,599 Speaker 2: And I think just just to touch on it, because 1004 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,840 I don't know if we dove if you mentioned it enough, 1005 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,960 maybe like you are not familiar with him, but like 1006 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,840 this is a like this is a new Warren Spector game. 1007 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: Right works, like the creator of Thief what das x. 1008 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 2: Dais x epic Mickey, you know, which is kind of 1009 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,400 a weird yea like designer, you know, Like I'm I'm 1010 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,400 excited to see him like uh back, getting his getting 1011 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,639 his his hands dirty again. I don't know how to 1012 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,519 call what to have to refer to that, but he's 1013 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:24,840 kind of been out of the game for a while, 1014 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,400 you know, so it's like it's it's fun to see 1015 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,840 him back in experimenting again, and it is a more 1016 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,199 experimental designer like he always has been. 1017 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: So oh yeah, one hundred percent. I do want to 1018 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,239 give credit obviously, there are plenty of other developers working 1019 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,119 on this. Jeff Hickman is the game director. He is 1020 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,880 in himself his own right as a very He's worked 1021 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,519 on a ton of games. He's a veteran game developer. 1022 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,000 Veteran there's I'm trying to I want to make sure 1023 00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,840 I call out because there's another name besides Warren Spector 1024 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:58,000 that is attached to this thing. Shoot, they have so 1025 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,960 many out Here we go, they have many assets on 1026 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:07,559 their Steam page. Here we go. Sorry, Paul Nerath is 1027 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,239 the other Paul Nerath and Warre Inspector present Thick as 1028 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,159 Thieves's cool. But yeah, check it out five bucks. You know, 1029 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,519 we don't get many stealth games often. If you're if 1030 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,639 you're interested in that kind of game, I'm gonna I'm 1031 00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,639 gonna play more and I'll have like a proper review 1032 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,480 up on the site, probably early next week because I 1033 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,079 got to go on this work trip. Maybe maybe five time. 1034 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,840 I'll try to finish it up while I'm away. But 1035 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,239 but yeah, that's Thick as Thieves four nine nine on Steam. 1036 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,880 I I recommend it. I think, I don't know. I'm 1037 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480 excited by it. I'm excited. We'll see if it actually 1038 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,800 pulls it off. But it's like hard not to recommend 1039 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,920 a new stealth game by Warre Inspector for five dollars, 1040 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,840 even if it is two maps and like a handful 1041 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,159 of missions on those maps. Like, come on, let's let's 1042 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,039 let's get this thing. I want I want it to 1043 00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,239 be supported. I want more. You know, I do played 1044 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:00,639 it before. 1045 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,559 Speaker 4: Now, did you play it like an event or anything? 1046 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: I had hands off with it at an event. Yeah, 1047 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,599 but this is my first time playing, and it feels good. 1048 00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,840 You know, I like the little puzzle lock box minigames, 1049 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,760 that kind of thing. Grappling feels good. 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I'm joined 1095 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,440 by co host Marcus Stewart and our special guest, Shy Matheson. 1096 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:17,199 Speaker 4: Welcome Shy. 1097 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,920 Speaker 3: You're a special co host, Marcus, I think yeah. 1098 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 6: I mean I'm the only host here wearing a Batman shirt, 1099 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,320 so I. 1100 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,119 Speaker 3: Guess the only host. Yeah, that's correct, that's correct. 1101 00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 5: I'm kind of I'm kind of wrapping poison ivy more 1102 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:32,719 right now. 1103 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 4: I suppose just with my leaves, so. 1104 00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, we'll take it. And your darkness General 1105 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,920 Charles has got Batman in his background. There, Jesus, that's true. 1106 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,559 Speaker 4: That's true. 1107 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 6: You know you captured him. He's like a little thing too, 1108 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,719 but much like I would do. 1109 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,519 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, correct? Is it a biodome? 1110 00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 5: This is our epilogue? Is I caught? I called Batman 1111 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,639 after credit rule? Well, Shi, thank you for joining us. 1112 00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:01,440 You were the voice, of course, for having me of 1113 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,639 Lego Batman in Legacy of the Dark Knight, a game 1114 00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,639 that I have completed and wrote my review for. And 1115 00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,280 Marcus and I actually right before we did the stream, 1116 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,320 we played the first ninety or so minutes, so Marcus 1117 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,519 just downed the cowl. 1118 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 3: I did nice. So Marcus, you've only done ninety minutes. 1119 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,599 What did you get to? 1120 00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:21,800 Speaker 1: Like? 1121 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 6: Literally, I got to Gotham for the first time. I 1122 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:28,119 got the batsuit and met Jim Gordon for the first time. 1123 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 3: That that's where it was okay, good, nice. Jim's great, 1124 00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:33,360 isn't he. 1125 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very it's very good. Everyone's great. Everyone's silly 1126 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,880 and weird, and also just tons of references. For an 1127 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,880 old person like me that has like absorbed all this 1128 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,920 Batman media, you're just like, it's it's all an assault 1129 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,239 of nostality. 1130 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 3: It's so good, though, isn't It's so joyous for Batman 1131 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,119 fans or I mean it's we'll talk about it, right, 1132 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,599 it's joyous for everyone. But like if you're a Batman fan, 1133 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,199 it's just like more more, more more, it's here. 1134 00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 6: Here's all of the Batman. 1135 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just met. We There was an event, a 1136 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,400 pop up event in London by Tower Bridge, which is 1137 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,599 what most people think is London Bridge. Just a little 1138 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,679 bit of information there from the London Tourism Board. There 1139 00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,119 was pop up events. So I brought like a bunch 1140 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,760 of the cast to do like pictures and things and 1141 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,920 just say hi to everyone. So it's cool. Poison Ivy 1142 00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:24,079 was there. Yes, it's it's cool. There's such a good cast. 1143 00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:26,079 Speaker 6: The real poison Ivy was there. 1144 00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 3: Real poison Ivy was there. She tried to stop us. 1145 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,360 It was a whole mess. 1146 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 6: Uh. 1147 00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,800 Speaker 5: Well, we had some questions we wanted to ask you about, 1148 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,599 Like I mean, we also have a few questions from 1149 00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,719 our community. But I can tell generally based on your 1150 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,480 surroundings that you and also your your shirt, you are 1151 00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:47,639 a Batman fan. 1152 00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:50,639 Speaker 3: I really am, I really am. I'm trying to build 1153 00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:53,039 this thing. So this is very impromptu. It's not really 1154 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,800 like it's not like my life, but like this. Yeah, 1155 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,559 I was always found, but like I always had this. 1156 00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,320 I always had these figurines. I always had Oh I've 1157 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,800 got a really so I had this guy from I 1158 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,800 think like literally nineteen ninety. 1159 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,800 Speaker 6: Oh, it's like a Batman action figure. It's like eighty nine. 1160 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,800 Speaker 3: I think it might have been a Christmas decoration, but 1161 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,480 I'm not sure knows what happened in the nineties. So 1162 00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:20,000 his cape didn't survive and his boot falls off. He's 1163 00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:24,559 what og that's like he's got swayed abs. I don't 1164 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,519 know if that's visible. 1165 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, so yeah, I've. 1166 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 3: Always I've always loved it. I've got like a few 1167 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:38,880 of like my original comics here I don't know what 1168 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,440 it means in terms of lore. 1169 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,559 Speaker 6: Oh Batman, Shadow of the bat for audio listeners shy 1170 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:47,800 as hold, Oh yeah, sure, number one, issue number one. 1171 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,599 Speaker 3: That's right, baby from nineteen ninety seven, I think, yeah, 1172 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,320 May nineteen ninety seven. 1173 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, and Charles was not alive in nineteen ninety seven. 1174 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:06,039 Speaker 3: Shame I the world now, Charles? 1175 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was in ninety seven. 1176 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 3: No, I am definitely a Batman fan, but obviously this 1177 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,480 is a lot more en hance, and I hastened to 1178 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:22,800 say I'm a Batman fan and not a Batman expert. 1179 00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,280 I think I really sort of got into it the 1180 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,599 films Gold Katan was my first and sort of my og. 1181 00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,840 Then I started loving it. I started reading the comics. 1182 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,320 I got into it, but then there was a big gap. 1183 00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:39,159 Speaker 5: Uh. 1184 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 3: And then obviously for the role, I just started immersing 1185 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,599 myself in everything. 1186 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:47,320 Speaker 6: Batman have Have you ever? Did you ever? 1187 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:47,559 Speaker 1: Have? 1188 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,679 Speaker 6: And Charles Like, as a young Batman fan, I used 1189 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,719 to have a Batman T shirt that was similar to 1190 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,639 this one, but it was white, but it had a 1191 00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:58,400 cape attached to it, like a little black cape. Me 1192 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,079 and my brother had matching those shirts, and you just 1193 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,280 walk around with little Batman shirt with like cape on it. 1194 00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,639 I had like pajamas that were like that, but a cape. 1195 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1196 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, like a little little snuggly blanket cape. 1197 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,639 Speaker 6: Oh. It was like functional. 1198 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,639 Speaker 5: I mean generously, it's like it's a one two feets. 1199 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 4: If that's functional, then it was functional. 1200 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,599 Speaker 3: But it worked, it worked if it kept in form 1201 00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:24,960 at night. 1202 00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 5: I wanted to I wanted to ask what Batman had 1203 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,519 the biggest influence on you. And this could be for 1204 00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:35,679 the performance, but I also just want to know in 1205 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,559 general of like, and you think of Batman, what's what's 1206 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:41,800 the Batman performance your mind goes to Again. 1207 00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:47,119 Speaker 3: It is because I think everyone their favorite Batman or 1208 00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,760 their most influential Batman if if that's what gets to you, 1209 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,280 is their first one, right or the one that they 1210 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:59,159 loved as a kid. So it has to be Michael 1211 00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:01,679 Keaton for me because he was my first those first 1212 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:06,280 two films. I just especially Returns. Returns is genuinely my 1213 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,079 favorite film of all time. If oh, I don't know 1214 00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:10,679 if it's the best film of all time, but it's 1215 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,440 my favorite film of all time. I just, I mean, 1216 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,599 I just adore it. I watched it again and again 1217 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:20,920 and again. I watched Batman eighty nine in the cinema 1218 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,320 with my sister and I was too young and it 1219 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,800 was scary, but it was special. It was like something 1220 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,199 that really stuck with me. Then I was a bit 1221 00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:31,840 older and more appropriate to see Batman returns and that 1222 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,280 was it for me. Then, of course, you know, once 1223 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,960 you're hit, once you're once you catch the Batman bug, 1224 00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:39,639 you're sort of there for life, and then you start 1225 00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,119 to appreciate all the next ones. I loved Falcolmer, I 1226 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,280 even love George Clooney, and then Nolan films are just incredible, 1227 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,280 Like I would say they are the best films out 1228 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,920 there that exists of Batman. But my favorite Batman will 1229 00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,719 always be Michael Keaton and those two films, so you know, 1230 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,280 and I love Albert Pattinson's Batman. I think he's a 1231 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,199 great Batman and also the more Now I don't know 1232 00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,079 if I'm even answering your question, but we'll get there. 1233 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,639 That's enough. But like, but I think it's such a 1234 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,039 cliche to say it, but there's Batman is such a 1235 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,840 versatile character that it can be anything, you know, not anything, 1236 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,679 but you know, there's so many interpretations and they're all valid, 1237 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,840 you know, like, we just loved at that comic. It's 1238 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,320 really different to the other Batman comics, right, Adam West 1239 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,559 is a very different Batman to Kevin Conroy. They're they're 1240 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,519 both iconic. Yeah, and I think, like everyone else in 1241 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:41,880 terms of voice, Kevin Conroy is Batman right like. And 1242 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,639 I think a lot of people, especially in the generation 1243 00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,039 of people that are fans of Batman now, are fans 1244 00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:50,159 of the games. That was the Batman they grew up with. Right. 1245 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,079 That was the first Batman for so many people. I 1246 00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,239 missed it by a few years or he would probably 1247 00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:58,159 have been mine, and I loved the show when I 1248 00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,920 was younger. So yeah, he's iconic. He's kind of the 1249 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,760 voice that most people have in their head for Batman, 1250 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,440 which I'm sure we'll get to at some point the 1251 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,599 burden of that. But yeah, that's a really long answer 1252 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:14,679 to your very simple question. There, Oh it's good. Michael 1253 01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:16,719 Keaton and that defined it for me. And then you go, oh, 1254 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,760 that's cool, Oh that's cool. Oh that how does that? 1255 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,559 I compare everyone to Michael Keaton, and so then it's 1256 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,800 sort of strands of how far are you from Michael Keaton? 1257 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,840 But other people will compare it to what they. 1258 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 5: Love, right, Yeah, for sure, I wanted to ask of 1259 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,559 I totally agree, and I think a lot of people 1260 01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,119 resonate with that idea of like Batman's kind of a 1261 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,559 moving target and it's fun to find the kind of 1262 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:46,760 collaboratively designed spirit of the character by kind of amalgamating 1263 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,079 all these different versions. So when you set out to 1264 01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:53,159 like do your Batman voice, what was your Were you 1265 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,119 trying to say, like I'm going to pull this from 1266 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,000 this person or this from this person, or were you 1267 01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,400 just saying let's just kind of take all of those 1268 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,440 pieces and sort of come up with something new. 1269 01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: You know. 1270 01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 3: I never really made a conscious choice. I came in 1271 01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,360 thought and again, we're telling a different story, right, So 1272 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,800 if Michael Keaton was this Batman and Kevin Conroy tells 1273 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,559 this story and then tells the Arkham story in a 1274 01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,920 very different way but very similar, and wasn't the story 1275 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,000 that we're telling in Lego Batman Legacy of the Dark Knight. 1276 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,280 Obviously I didn't know when I auditioned, but I'm not 1277 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,880 going to come in with that version of with an 1278 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,760 Arkham Batman to do a Lego game. And I think 1279 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,039 what I actually was most conscious of is not to 1280 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:33,920 sound like will Arnette, because sure for most people, lego Batman, 1281 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,599 and so that was a conscious maybe thing. And then 1282 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:41,079 I came into the room and it did what I 1283 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,320 thought was right what I had in mind, and then 1284 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,599 I'll get it will make sense in a second. Then 1285 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:49,440 later on when I talked to the devs and the 1286 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,079 team and the guys from DC, it was what we 1287 01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:56,559 loved about you is that you came in and it's 1288 01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:58,960 something completely different. You didn't try to sound like any 1289 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,199 other Batman. In my mind, I definitely was trying to 1290 01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:04,519 slign on like every other Batman or what I imagine, 1291 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,039 but just not will our Net. But then but then 1292 01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:10,519 for them, they they heard something completely different. And the 1293 01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,800 only thing I can think is that you know, first 1294 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,920 of all, as a human being, as a biological piece 1295 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,840 of meat, I have my own sound. Then all of 1296 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,199 those things like the Keatons, the Bails, the Kilmer, the 1297 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:26,960 Clooney is like everything bad a Flack Pattinson, they were 1298 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,760 all there because I love the character so much, so 1299 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,320 I've watched these films again and again and again and 1300 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,559 again and again, so it was kind of there. I know, 1301 01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:36,760 it's kind of like a silly answer. It kind of 1302 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,559 sounds like we planned, but it is. I think what 1303 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,679 was going on it was just there and what I 1304 01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:43,599 imagine Batman to be. 1305 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, we had a question from someone in our discord 1306 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,119 who said it kind of is along the lines of 1307 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,639 these partially answered already, but they said, how much of 1308 01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,159 your take on Batman came from direction from the devs 1309 01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:57,079 and how much of it came with pushing back with 1310 01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,039 something else that you personally wanted to try. 1311 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,599 Speaker 4: And I think, like other way. 1312 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,719 Speaker 5: Of putting it is even like after you got that 1313 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,960 note of people being like, oh, we love that you 1314 01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:06,920 just did your own thing. 1315 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,639 Speaker 4: Do you think that changed your performance at all? 1316 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 3: Yes' one hundred percent. And that's a great question because 1317 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,480 I was going to get to that and I forgot. 1318 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,199 But like it is a collaborative effort, and it is 1319 01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:23,719 obviously I am there to serve pt Games and Warner 1320 01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:26,639 Brothers story that they wanted to tell with this with 1321 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,400 this game or what they envisioned for a fun is 1322 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,440 of entertainment, And obviously they're they're so passionate about Batman, 1323 01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,519 like as you can tell you for playing it, they 1324 01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,480 love Batman. Do you want to respect that? So then 1325 01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:43,840 of course they wanted certain things, like when I came 1326 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,719 in and was like, okay, the audition was that, like 1327 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,519 they played me a few clips from my audition. I 1328 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,320 was like, ah, I don't like that. We should probably 1329 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,119 redo that. Oh I don't like how I said I 1330 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:53,840 am the night. Oh I don't like how I said 1331 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,519 let's get nuts. They're like, no, no, we love that. 1332 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,760 We love this, and I was like, but that doesn't 1333 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,320 sound like that. No, no, no, we love that. They 1334 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,920 wanted it to be different to everything else, and so yeah, 1335 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,400 I would have tried different things. You know, as an actor. 1336 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,519 I had one today leave and you go, oh my god, 1337 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:13,760 I could have done this, and I should have done 1338 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,559 I could have done that voice. You can all and 1339 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,480 I still like. I hear parts of the game and 1340 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,000 I go, oh, I would have been better if I 1341 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:24,079 delivered it like that, which obviously you can never fix 1342 01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:28,119 that level of perfectionism or beating yourself up. That's for therapy. 1343 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,960 But yeah, it was a very collaborative thing to start with, 1344 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,360 where they were like, no, we want it to be 1345 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,280 like this. We sort of came up, you know, we 1346 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,199 had discussions about what is the Batman voice? So why 1347 01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,480 does why does he have a Batman voice? Why does 1348 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,440 he sound that way when he's Bruce Wayne and that 1349 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,519 way when he's Man? And obviously there's the theories. 1350 01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 5: Am I rambling by the way, No, No, this is 1351 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,840 all I think of, just just for your own peace 1352 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,840 of mind. When I do a sort of interview like this, 1353 01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:56,920 My question is trying to nudge a boulder to get 1354 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,559 like a little bit of just kind of get us talking. 1355 01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,639 So as long as we're talking about Batman, I don't have. 1356 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,599 Speaker 3: A lot of duds behind this boulder. It's absolutely gets 1357 01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,000 a verple one. No, but it is that. And we 1358 01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,840 had those early discussions of why does he sound this 1359 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,679 way as Bruce Wayne? Why does he sound this way 1360 01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,360 as Batman? Ously we don't get too deep. It is 1361 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,000 a lego game, but we are respectful, and you know, 1362 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,920 is Batman his real voice or is Bruce Wayne his 1363 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,159 real voice? You know, there's a lot of thinking and 1364 01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:31,159 we kind of think that Batman is it's not his 1365 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,639 real voice, but his it's his real personality, especially later 1366 01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:37,639 down the line, you know, when he's older and he's 1367 01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:40,840 more sort of in meshed with the character. So yeah, 1368 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,400 so who is the real person and if he's wearing 1369 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,320 the Batman suit. He's speaking to Alfred. Does he speak 1370 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,079 to as Batman or is Bruce Wayne? 1371 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:51,440 Speaker 4: Sure? 1372 01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:54,559 Speaker 3: And it's kind of different every time, right, because he's 1373 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,320 still Batman. How does this relate to the question? So 1374 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,800 in a way, so it was like, okay, what's the 1375 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,519 purpose of this voice? The purpose of this voice is 1376 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,000 for him not to be identified, because in our version 1377 01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:09,280 he doesn't have a distorter, right, So that's the concept. Again, 1378 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,119 it's lego, it's never too heavy, it's never too cerebral. 1379 01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:15,360 But yeah, that's kind of the thought. So it became 1380 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,800 a whisper sort of disguise that if you hear him 1381 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,880 as Bruce Wayne, you won't know. 1382 01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I guess that would be the 1383 01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:25,920 one the one like function of the voice is like, 1384 01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:28,559 don't don't let them know on Bruce Wayne, I guess 1385 01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:29,079 if you're thinking. 1386 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 3: And of course that's kind of a simple, that's a 1387 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,639 Clark Kent glasses thing, right, but yeah, it's it's also 1388 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,440 if the image of Batman, which we get in the 1389 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,079 beginning of this and every Batman story, you want to 1390 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:47,519 create a menace, you want to invoke fear in your enemies, 1391 01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:49,679 you want to become a symbol. I want to become 1392 01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:51,400 more than just a man, as we say in the game. 1393 01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:55,920 So it's that as well. It's like, but what's a 1394 01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,000 bit scarier because this is lego Batman? What sounds cool? 1395 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,440 How can I sound cool? So you know, I like this, 1396 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,039 this is cool. 1397 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:05,719 Speaker 6: I like Batman's. 1398 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you say that said he's here? 1399 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,599 Speaker 6: He's joining the Batman? 1400 01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:13,480 Speaker 3: Oh me, yeah, I am Batman. 1401 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1402 01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,519 Speaker 5: It is it is a little just just hearing you 1403 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:19,599 drop into the voice, it. 1404 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:20,880 Speaker 3: Does call cop my off guard. 1405 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,760 Speaker 5: I was like, oh yeah, like logic it was the 1406 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:23,239 same person. 1407 01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:24,119 Speaker 4: But it's always. 1408 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 3: Concentist, so you know, you spend a lot of time 1409 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:27,639 with it. 1410 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would. I would love to know. Kind of 1411 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:34,159 like we're talking about Bruce Wayne, I feel like oftentimes 1412 01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,519 with with any Batman performer, you don't really hear enough 1413 01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,440 about what goes into performing as Bruce. It's always like 1414 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,320 what does it mean to be Batman? And I've going 1415 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,159 back to what you said about how Michael Keaton your 1416 01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:47,719 favorite Batman. Does that apply to Bruce too, because I 1417 01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:49,920 feel like there sometimes you're like I've seen people say 1418 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,880 like this actor is a better Bruce than they are Batman. 1419 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,440 I actually like this other actor as Batman more than 1420 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:56,360 I like this Bruce. 1421 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 3: Wayne, what do you like? 1422 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 6: Do you have any any like what goes into making 1423 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,159 Bruce feel like Bruce? And how did you kind of 1424 01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:08,199 find your Bruce? And also who's your favorite Bruce actor 1425 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,440 if it's if it's not, also just Michael Keaton. 1426 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:12,599 Speaker 3: I need to think about it, and I think it's 1427 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,519 such an I love the discussion, and I've had it before, 1428 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,760 so I don't know that I have a go to answer. 1429 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,000 Maybe when I do more of these, I'll sort of 1430 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:21,760 be it will it will sort of be clear in 1431 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,319 my mind, but like because I can discuss it and go, hey, 1432 01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,479 but you know what I loved about Val Kilmer is 1433 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,359 this and what I loved I think, you know, I 1434 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:35,239 think the way the ultimate Bruce versus Batman is Kevin 1435 01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:38,560 Conroy right where we have sort of quite cleared. He's like, 1436 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,720 he's such a fifties debonair man. Then it becomes this 1437 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,119 sort of machine, and I think a lot of the 1438 01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,319 other ones have are pretty similar. And you know, Hollywood 1439 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,960 all that movie stars playing roles like it is you 1440 01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:56,880 also want that you want the movie star there. I 1441 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,920 love that Robert Pattinson is different to everything we've seen. 1442 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:08,039 And he's a young, young, angsty, sad guy, right. We 1443 01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:10,920 never see him smile. It's it's it's great and it 1444 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,520 works so well for the character. It actually makes more 1445 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,760 sense than anything else for the character, right because Michael 1446 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,560 Keating so lovely and happy being it seems like a happy, 1447 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,720 go lucky guy then becomes this beast and it works 1448 01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,479 because it's comic book. It works because it's Michael Keat 1449 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,000 in for the character, it doesn't make sense. Ben Affleck's 1450 01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:35,840 a bit near that, you know, he's never happy, he's 1451 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:36,800 always miserable. 1452 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,159 Speaker 6: And Christian Bales, Bruce is kind of a himbo. 1453 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that but that's that. 1454 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 6: Works right and it works for that. 1455 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does and and again and we see Bruce 1456 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:53,760 Wayne over the years. And to Christian Bale, he is 1457 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,239 very consciously in the film because obviously what's what's cool 1458 01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:00,880 about the Nolan films is that they are realistic, right, 1459 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,680 So everything has to have a reason. Everything has The 1460 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,279 Tumblr is a tank or you know, whatever it is, 1461 01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:11,520 and Kevlar is because of this and it's for well, 1462 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,119 actually it's from our army. You know. Everything has a reason, 1463 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,720 and so we do get a lot of explanation why 1464 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,079 he's putting on a front as Bruce Wayne. We see 1465 01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:21,359 him miserable at home and then he goes out for 1466 01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,279 a function. You know, it's it sort of works, and 1467 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:31,239 others haven't dedicated that level of sort of like maybe apperentiation. Yeah, actually, 1468 01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,039 so my favorite. I just went through them all. 1469 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,239 Speaker 4: I think. 1470 01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:38,520 Speaker 3: I think I really like I think I really do 1471 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,720 like Ill's contrast there. If we're talking films, if we're 1472 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,520 talking obviously voice, it will be Kevin Conroy. Though I 1473 01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:50,039 absolutely adore all of them. You know, we don't have 1474 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:53,680 a differentiation in like a Batman movies. But you know, 1475 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,199 I think Troy Baker's incredible. Troy Baker actually is incredible, 1476 01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,760 not only because he played the Joker as well, but 1477 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,359 you know his telltale Batman is completely different to his 1478 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,119 lego Batman, right, yeah, yeah, a Batman twice. How cool 1479 01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,920 is that? Roger Craig Smith sounds like Dark and Batman 1480 01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,840 without trying to do an impression of Kevin Conroy, but 1481 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,000 he sounds like him. It's incredible. So where are we 1482 01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:26,119 Bruce Wayne's Yeah, I actually really love I love I 1483 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:30,079 love Christian Bale. I think he nails it. I love 1484 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:36,880 Michael Keaton just because that's that version that I always love. Yeah, 1485 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,760 but that's what you got. Yeah, because how do you choose? 1486 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,119 Because again I love the contrast between you know, Bale's 1487 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,399 Bruce Wayne to Bale's Batman. But it is either of 1488 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,880 them my favorite of each, I'm not sure, but I 1489 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,640 love the combination, right. I love that Robert Pattinson is 1490 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,119 so different. Is that my favorite Batman? No, but it's 1491 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:07,479 up there. I think The Batman is just such a cool, amazing, beautiful, 1492 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,399 stunning to look at film, so exciting to see the 1493 01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:11,840 next one. 1494 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yours. 1495 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,239 Speaker 3: By the way, that's a great question. Is Bruce Wayne? 1496 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,640 Speaker 5: I I Robert Pattinson might have taken the top spot 1497 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,319 for me. It was like the movie I was going 1498 01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:27,960 into expecting to like and then came out of it 1499 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,920 like I just I just really love all stuff you 1500 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,039 already said. But I really love how as Bruce Wayne. 1501 01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:37,920 You feel like he can't shake his like instinct to 1502 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,760 be Batman. Like he and it's not even that he's 1503 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,680 like he feels the need to go out and be Batman, 1504 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,399 it's that he hates being Bruce Wayne. He's like, I'm 1505 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,399 so uncomfortable in the skins obligation of like I guess 1506 01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:49,800 I'll do that. 1507 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right. 1508 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 3: He's the most vengeance of all the Batman's. 1509 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,560 Speaker 5: The way he even spends time like going over his 1510 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,319 own footage from the night of like I'm actually just 1511 01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:03,119 gonna I'm going to relive last night again real quick 1512 01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,239 before I go to sleep. I just think, is I 1513 01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:06,439 love how obsessive he is? 1514 01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:07,479 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1515 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And they had to almost Fridge his Alfred to 1516 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,000 get him to sort of snap out. Yeah, but it's true, 1517 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,720 and you get that, Marcus, we are getting to you. 1518 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,600 You get that in the beginning of our game. Obviously, 1519 01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:23,720 I go less complicated, less angsty, but the beginning of Bruce, 1520 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,760 Wayne and Batman, like, how do I find an outlet 1521 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,800 to this anger and this vengeance that I have in me? 1522 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,119 And I think, well, Batman is very much in the 1523 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,680 thick of that. You know, he's new to it. Also 1524 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,000 the fact that he's a great detective and the other ones. 1525 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,880 You know, we get a lot of tech and stuff, 1526 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,079 but like he's kind of it's that slow film feeling. 1527 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:45,640 It's just a detective film. 1528 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, Marcus, you go ahead and do yours, but I 1529 01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,920 do want to come back to that specific podcast. 1530 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,039 Speaker 3: You do whatever you want. 1531 01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:55,760 Speaker 4: I don't want. 1532 01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,079 Speaker 5: I just want to I want to hear what Marcus 1533 01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:58,640 favorite Batman is, because I actually don't know. 1534 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,319 Speaker 4: It's going to guess, but I'm not sure. 1535 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll separate my Batman and Bruce Wayne's. My favorite 1536 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,479 Batman is Kevin Conroy just because I was, like, I'm 1537 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,960 a millennial, so like I was an Batman then made 1538 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,800 a series kid like that was my like come home 1539 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,680 from school and that was part of the after school 1540 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,600 cartoon block, and so like I watched every DC like 1541 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,640 animated series like that, Justice League, Batman Beyond. You're like, 1542 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,119 that's that is what I hear when I read Batman 1543 01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,520 comics is I read Batman's dialogue in Kevin Conroy's voice. 1544 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,279 But for Bruce Wayne, I'm gonna go Christian Bale just 1545 01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:37,399 because I love his Like I mentioned before that he's 1546 01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,560 kind of a duf Is and that in a way 1547 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,880 is its own perfect cover because no one looks at 1548 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,800 that Bruce Wayne and goes like, well that's clearly Batman 1549 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,520 because he is. He goes out of his way to 1550 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,760 be so the opposite of what Batman is to be 1551 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,359 the perfect cover. Like the scene I rewatched The Dark 1552 01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:54,439 Knight recently, and the scene that kind of like perfectly 1553 01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,279 encapsulates his Bruce Wayne is when he takes the when 1554 01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:00,880 he drives his car in front of the guy, like 1555 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,279 he basically takes a t bone to kind of protect 1556 01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:06,960 the armored vehicle that's escorting the dude that joker put 1557 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,039 the hit on. Huh, And then you know, Gordon gets out, 1558 01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:10,279 was like, oh my god, that was such a brave 1559 01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:12,439 thing you did. And he just puts on the Anger's like, 1560 01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,079 what do you mean trying to cash a light? He's like, 1561 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:16,720 you weren't trying to protect us? 1562 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,640 Speaker 3: And he is bat Badman, and Bruce Wayne he is Batman. 1563 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,600 Bruce Wayne is the front. And it's exactly because we 1564 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,119 get to see with Bail, we get to see what 1565 01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:26,239 hopefully we get to see this game is that, you know, 1566 01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,239 the change and the like, you know, the miserable, sort 1567 01:15:29,279 --> 01:15:34,159 of older beaten Bruce Wayne at the end versus the 1568 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,560 one that we start with and the cocky one that 1569 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,199 we start with him. The more it's just it's great. 1570 01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:43,279 But that's why Batman's been popular for eighty six years. 1571 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,920 I mean, it's just great and it can be anything. 1572 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,000 It can be this, you know, it can be the 1573 01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:53,039 silly disco dancing Batman and it's still Batman. It can 1574 01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:56,119 be Adam West and it's still Batman. You know. And 1575 01:15:56,159 --> 01:16:00,199 again we're getting to like andem territory. There's everyone going 1576 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:03,439 to have their favorite and so you can never win, 1577 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,680 right Like, you can never or someone to be their 1578 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,279 favorite Batman. But you just want to go as long 1579 01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:12,439 as you appreciate that we respected Batman in our story 1580 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,960 that we wanted to tell them great. 1581 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I was. 1582 01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,319 Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned that about him being the old 1583 01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:22,800 grizzled because that was what I was gonna mention, just 1584 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,560 in terms of your performance specifically of like we talked, 1585 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,159 we're talking about all these different Batman and all these 1586 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,880 different Bruce Wayne's. But the nice thing that Legacy of 1587 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,920 the Dark Knight does is we acknowledge it's all the 1588 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,279 same character and they're like and so we'll kind of 1589 01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:39,359 draw a line between them and see how a Robert 1590 01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:44,279 Pattinson type could become a Michael Keaton type could become Valkilmer, 1591 01:16:44,279 --> 01:16:45,079 et cetera, et cetera. 1592 01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to ask you. 1593 01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,640 Speaker 5: How how would you approach and if you did approach 1594 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,680 it differently at all of doing like a scene where 1595 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,119 you know, you've got a Bruce Wayne at the Iceberg Lounge, 1596 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,960 even when Batman goes back to the Iceberg Lounge versus 1597 01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:02,439 you know, chapter five, chapter six, we've got gray hairs 1598 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,239 where like the patriarch of the bat family. How do 1599 01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:07,760 you approach those scenes differently if at all? 1600 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,439 Speaker 3: No, for sure, definitely we did so, very very conscious 1601 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:17,800 that we're telling, you know, in essence, like a couple 1602 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,319 of decades at least of story. I don't remember what 1603 01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,720 we landed on. I think originally it was thirty, but 1604 01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,359 then actually story wise it isn't thirty, because otherwise night 1605 01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,800 Wing would be in his forties. But it's somewhat condensed, 1606 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,439 you know, I guess it's like about fifteen years. And 1607 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,760 so yeah, very conscious in that to sound both as 1608 01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,239 Bruce Wayne and as Batman younger, eager, more keen, less polished, 1609 01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:46,479 less like you know, less knowing everything's a bit more raw. 1610 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:52,039 Robert pattinsony in the beginning bit, so mostly chapter one, 1611 01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:57,760 the prologue obviously, and then maybe the other extreme point 1612 01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,359 was what would he sound like in the end, and 1613 01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,119 obviously let's not do any spoilers, but he's a lot 1614 01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:06,279 older and he's more grizzled in the end. And that 1615 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,880 was those were sort of the two conscious points in 1616 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,640 my mind, so trying to make because it's actually hard 1617 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,319 because once you go down there, you're older, right, And 1618 01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:20,840 it's actually you can't speak fast because you're you're doing this. 1619 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:25,960 Also vocally it's quite hard because everything's restricted. So yeah, 1620 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:32,319 so it's about slowing down the syllables and being less raw, 1621 01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:36,399 less responsive, more sort of you know, more jaded, and 1622 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,079 these are a lot more emotional. Again no spoilers, but 1623 01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,279 like he's a lot more and more emotional, especially in 1624 01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:46,159 the last up chapter. So those were kind of the 1625 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,039 two points. And then and then you go, okay, what 1626 01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:49,560 are we on today? Like we would go, okay, what 1627 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,359 are we on today? Is it chapter three? Bruce is 1628 01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:54,640 a chapter four Batman? Is it? I think Bruce sort 1629 01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,479 of stays almost similar and maybe a little aged up 1630 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,560 towards the end because Bruce is like and also but 1631 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,319 we don't get that much of Bruce. So yeah, so 1632 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,680 that was the conscious thought. And then technically was on 1633 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,359 the one hand, harder and on the one hand, easier. 1634 01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:16,800 The thing we started with was the gameplay stuff. So 1635 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,920 in a way, when you play the game you run 1636 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,079 down the streets of Gotham, or when you punch or 1637 01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:24,039 when you get hit or when you go huh or 1638 01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:26,520 you know, those are all the same. So that they 1639 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,199 can pick and choose. That sound had to sound the 1640 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:33,560 same from start to finish, because whatever you recorded they 1641 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,600 could use for chapter one. You're not going to do 1642 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,319 a grunt for old Batman just to sort of open 1643 01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,399 a door right for each chapter of his life. So 1644 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,159 we had to find a bass Batman, like a base 1645 01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,079 sort of middle voice for Batman would work throughout the game, 1646 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,039 which also meant you couldn't deviate from it too much 1647 01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:52,760 when you were doing the voice. So I know that 1648 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,680 so sort of sounds like such boring detail. It's maybe 1649 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,119 too much. 1650 01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:58,520 Speaker 5: Notes, but that's like exactly the amount of in the 1651 01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,840 weeds I was curious about. 1652 01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard because you go, oh wait, but 1653 01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,840 that does that work? I can't sound too old they are. Yeah, 1654 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,479 So in the emotional cut scenes it was a little 1655 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:13,640 easier to maybe differentiate and the way he addresses the 1656 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,439 family members. Yeah, but it was fun it was fun 1657 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,039 playing around with doing what does this whispered voice sound 1658 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,920 like when it's younger and it's older, but a whispered 1659 01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:26,760 voice usually just sounds the same. 1660 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1661 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,479 Speaker 5: I wanted to transition to another one of our discord 1662 01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,279 community questions. It's from Prodible. Also, I don't know if 1663 01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:38,920 I said the last question was from then Tom was like, 1664 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,159 I want to make sure I have credit him. Uh, 1665 01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:44,239 credible says, was there a line that is directly from 1666 01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,560 source material that you were adamant about getting your performance 1667 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,640 of just right? 1668 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,039 Speaker 3: It's almost all of them. I think there's one that 1669 01:20:55,119 --> 01:20:58,399 I didn't and then there's one, so it wasn't me 1670 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:03,439 being adamant. So famous one from the trailer, come on, 1671 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:04,840 do you want to get Do you want to get nuts? 1672 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,880 Come on, let's get nuts. It's such a different one 1673 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,279 in the film because he is nuts. He is going nuts, 1674 01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:13,239 and he's like, he's like peak Michael Keaton there right 1675 01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:17,680 with all that sort of fy, sort of eccentric, amazing energy. 1676 01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:22,319 But in our story it happens at a spoiler point 1677 01:21:22,359 --> 01:21:26,640 in the game and it isn't nuts. So I wanted 1678 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,520 to do I'm like, oh, they're gonna judge me because 1679 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,079 I didn't do a proper thing there because it's so 1680 01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:34,640 full of lines from the films. So that was I thing, 1681 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,760 but we obviously had to do what was right. What 1682 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,199 I had fun with and I got to do was 1683 01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:43,960 the uh where is she? Line? And I love doing 1684 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,840 it anyway. I would do it just in sessions, just 1685 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:51,319 for fun. So that where is she? Because last Christian 1686 01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:53,319 Bailey ges a lot of grief for that voice. But 1687 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,359 again it's not it's it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, So 1688 01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,600 we did that at a point that you seen Charles Marcus. 1689 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,239 You need to get there. It's a good point, and 1690 01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:08,119 I really so, I really wanted to do that, right. 1691 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,520 You know, We've got other lines there that are from 1692 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,000 the films. But I think, like with anything in this game, 1693 01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:18,880 which I think is incredible, you get Let's take the 1694 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,760 Joker for example, right, got the same actor, incredible actor. 1695 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:27,479 When is this coming out? Not today or tomorrow? Right Friday, 1696 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,159 great Friday's day of release. We've got an amazing actor 1697 01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:34,399 called you and Bailey who plays the Joker. And but 1698 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,239 I heard in the first time in the booth before 1699 01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:37,800 I met him, before I saw what he looks like. 1700 01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,199 How did they how did you find this guy? Because 1701 01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:47,960 he sounds like like Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger. How 1702 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,359 does that make sense? Because they are the most different 1703 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,920 possible that can exist, and somehow the same guy starts 1704 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,720 out as Jack Nicholson and becomes Fledger without Obviously it's 1705 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,359 never either one of those because it's in the middle. 1706 01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:05,279 Stame as my one, right, because it's not that Joker, 1707 01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:07,279 and it's not that Joker. But what's beautiful about this 1708 01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:10,560 game is it's a remix game, right, so it's all remix. 1709 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,640 It's like, this is gonna sound really stupid. Please cut 1710 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,600 this out if it's dumb. It's sort of like a 1711 01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:22,159 like a chopped vegetable salad. Right, cucumber that's Batman eighty nine. 1712 01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,920 You take a tomato, that's the Batman. You say, you 1713 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,159 know onion from here whatever, and we all know what 1714 01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:30,000 those things are, and then you chop them up and 1715 01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:31,560 you put them in a salad and you've got all 1716 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,760 those elements, but they now have a different flavor, and 1717 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,840 they now have a different different taste, but they all 1718 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:42,239 still have the individual pieces of those vegetables. Yeah, Warner Brothers, 1719 01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:46,520 if you're listening to this, when it's out, please consider 1720 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,239 incorporating in the marketing material. It's a chopped salad, says Batman. 1721 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,600 Speaker 5: They're a McDonald's partnership where you can get the bat 1722 01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,279 salad and it's yeah, exactly fresh ingredients. 1723 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,159 Speaker 3: But do you know what I like? It's it's that 1724 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:04,239 it's like he's got a cucumber that's Jack Nicholson and 1725 01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:06,720 a carrot that's Heath Ledger, and together they have a 1726 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,239 different flavor, but they have You're still tasting cucumber and carrot. 1727 01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:11,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely makes sense. 1728 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:18,760 Speaker 6: That's fascinating, and I'm sad to hear that the I 1729 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,560 just hear the Heath Ledger like, how did I get 1730 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,319 the Scars monologue? But then he just ends it with, uh, 1731 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,319 never rub another man's Rube Haard. 1732 01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:30,520 Speaker 5: But yeah, that's the spirit for sure. 1733 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,640 Speaker 3: We've got all There's a lot of side by sides 1734 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,960 going around now on Instagram and it's amazing to watch. 1735 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,000 But again, the thing that I was rambling and not 1736 01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:41,279 getting to the point on was that we have all 1737 01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:44,840 these lines from the films, but they're not said like 1738 01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:49,479 in the film. Mostly they have to fit the characters 1739 01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:52,680 that's saying it. Who's a different you know, we've got Penguin. 1740 01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,800 That's again somehow a mix. The voice is any DeVito, 1741 01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:03,720 delivery is sometimes Colin Farrell and it still works. But anyway, 1742 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,920 so whatever lines he says have to work for he 1743 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,159 starts out is more Calin Ferrell and he becomes more 1744 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:11,039 downy Defito, but it still works and it's still those 1745 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,960 iconic lines get more of Like you know, our Freeze 1746 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,000 is very very much yes, yeah, right, like that's a definitive. 1747 01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:23,039 We've got that. Our Bane crazily is well, there's only 1748 01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:25,479 one Bane in the films really except for Batman and Robin, 1749 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,000 Like our Bane is a take on that, but obviously 1750 01:25:29,119 --> 01:25:31,960 it's Matt Barry and it sounds completely different but still 1751 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,000 in a way makes sense. How does that make sense? 1752 01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:39,720 Speaker 5: But it does, Yeah, definitely. I was telling on our 1753 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,640 stream earlier Marcus was asking. I mentioned that Lucius Fox 1754 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,640 is going to show up and Marcs was like, oh 1755 01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,560 is it? Is it like Morgan Freeman? And I was like, well, 1756 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,680 with all the voices, you can tell exactly who they're 1757 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,439 going for and also know that it's not that person, 1758 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,039 Like it's they're not going to fool you, Like you 1759 01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:58,199 don't think that Matt Barry is Tom Hardy in that scene, 1760 01:25:58,199 --> 01:26:01,399 but he's absolutely doing that style of voice in his 1761 01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,520 own way, which is always fun to hear, and it 1762 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,640 makes sense, and it's still very much Matt Berry. 1763 01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,560 Speaker 3: I guess, I guess. You know, characters like Fox. We 1764 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,479 have Lucia's. We have a very definitive and just really 1765 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,600 the one performance of Lucia's Fox in the films, so 1766 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,600 in a way it has to be that, right, But 1767 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,000 we have such different Alfreds, and yet even our Alfred 1768 01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:26,359 is very obviously much more Michael Caine sounding. But I 1769 01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:29,840 met him earlier. He sounds like that you just said 1770 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,359 that cool, But he's the only one of us that 1771 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:38,079 genuinely just sounds like his character. But he still sounds 1772 01:26:38,119 --> 01:26:40,680 like Michael Kain's Alfred in a way. 1773 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,079 Speaker 5: That must be such a relief to just be like, oh, 1774 01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:48,920 finally I can use this hyper specific voice, sound like 1775 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,880 Michael Kaine. I finally re used for it. 1776 01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:54,119 Speaker 3: Right, And you know, actors, we get used for other things. 1777 01:26:54,119 --> 01:26:56,159 He's like, it's one of the first times I got 1778 01:26:56,199 --> 01:27:00,199 to use my voice in a project. It's such an 1779 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:03,760 amazing voice. You love Alford in the game, isn't. 1780 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,760 Speaker 5: He like Oh, he's great love and he's got really 1781 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,840 great lines just when you're in the bat cave. That's 1782 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,600 That's one of my favorite things in the game in general, 1783 01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,399 is just the sort of like one liners in the 1784 01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,359 environment as you're flooring, always very. 1785 01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:21,560 Speaker 3: Farn nice Marcus, get on it. I don't know what 1786 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,439 else to do. 1787 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,119 Speaker 5: My last question I wanted to have before we get 1788 01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:28,520 out here is just were there any rituals you would 1789 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,359 do or like clothes you would wear to get into care. 1790 01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,439 Speaker 3: It's not really a ritual, but I would listen so 1791 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,840 on the way to the studio it's kind of far 1792 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,319 from the train station, just to be annoying, and at 1793 01:27:44,319 --> 01:27:47,119 some points I would do like a warm up on 1794 01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:48,720 the way if I didn't have time to do it 1795 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,079 at home. I do things, And then I created a 1796 01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:56,079 playlist of which I still have of like my favorite 1797 01:27:56,119 --> 01:28:02,159 Batman music from the films mostly and it grew later 1798 01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,600 to become Arkham as well, because I wasn't that familiar 1799 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,039 with Arkham before uh, and so it was that it 1800 01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:10,479 was a playlist and I would listen to a twenty 1801 01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,600 minutes worth of that music every time on the way 1802 01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,960 to the studio, and actually if I didn't have to 1803 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,560 do it worth I had to have those twenty minutes 1804 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,479 of just listening to it. It's so stupid, but actually 1805 01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,640 it really does. I don't know, it generates something like 1806 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,640 I said, because I mean when I hear the any 1807 01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,319 Elfman in June, it's it does something to me that 1808 01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:34,000 I have in my body since I was a child. 1809 01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:35,680 Speaker 6: So oh, it makes you want to run through a wall. 1810 01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:40,079 You're just like, I'm ready to go or crash through 1811 01:28:40,079 --> 01:28:40,920 a glass ceiling. 1812 01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,680 Speaker 3: Right, how iconic that You know how many times I've 1813 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,079 like watched that paused rebound to see just that drop. 1814 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:52,119 It's incredible cool anyway, Yeah, so it was that and 1815 01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,760 then the funny it's not a ritual, it's just something 1816 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,279 really stupid that doesn't make sense when I was trying 1817 01:28:57,279 --> 01:28:59,279 to get the voice in the beginning and be consistent. 1818 01:28:59,359 --> 01:29:01,319 Now I can drop into it anytime, it will be 1819 01:29:01,319 --> 01:29:04,279 there and I know who Batman is. But in the beginning, 1820 01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:06,359 it was like, oh wait, how do I what did 1821 01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:08,319 I do? Lesson? What did we set as that sort 1822 01:29:08,359 --> 01:29:12,000 of middle voice? And I listened to I recorded myself 1823 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,720 in the session and then would listen to it, and 1824 01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,760 it's something that's stuck. This makes no sense. It's such 1825 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,640 a stupid story, which was just the work the way 1826 01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:23,159 I said at girl, at girl, like what why does 1827 01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:25,520 that hook me in? But that hooked me in? So 1828 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,680 if I go that girl somehow it's like, oh, I 1829 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,800 know how that sounds interesting. A stupid story. It makes 1830 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,479 no sense, but it was a thing. I'd go in 1831 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,359 and go bat girl and I was there. We see 1832 01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:38,319 they play it for you as well. 1833 01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:40,840 Speaker 5: But you know I love that because it's such like 1834 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:45,000 a It's not it's not an iconic line like I mean, 1835 01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:46,600 he I guess he says birl? 1836 01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:47,199 Speaker 4: What's a name? 1837 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:48,079 Speaker 6: He does? 1838 01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:48,720 Speaker 3: He does? 1839 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:50,399 Speaker 1: Is there? 1840 01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:51,840 Speaker 3: Is there enough? 1841 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,840 Speaker 5: Is it something about the vowels of it? Like do 1842 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,439 you have any idea what it is? Or is it 1843 01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,039 just like it's just the spirit of Batman possesses you 1844 01:29:59,079 --> 01:29:59,600 in that moment. 1845 01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:02,039 Speaker 3: It's not a spirit of anything. I think. I listened 1846 01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:04,079 to a recording that I did in the studio and 1847 01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:06,600 what jumped out of stuck that girl just the way 1848 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,720 I said it. It means nothing, there's no But somehow, 1849 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,880 this is why it's such a stupid story, because it 1850 01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,760 doesn't make sense. Somehow that's what got me into it 1851 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,159 because I heard that it was I guess it was 1852 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:22,640 like clipped. It was like, I mean, it's easy. It's 1853 01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,560 so easy. I get to do it, but you don't. 1854 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,840 It's easy to say I'm Batman. But even that, like 1855 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,479 I could say it a million different ways, and we 1856 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,800 did say it a million different ways in the game. Uh, 1857 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,800 you know why, it's a stupid story. 1858 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:37,960 Speaker 5: Can you do one more bat Girl? And then me 1859 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,319 and Marcus I think we'll try to do our best Batgirl? 1860 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, please, all right, here we go that girl. 1861 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,640 Wait one more, that girl. 1862 01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:57,000 Speaker 7: You go first, Marcus. Okay, Batgirl, I don't way you 1863 01:30:57,039 --> 01:30:58,560 can do too. 1864 01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,640 Speaker 6: The bat girl. 1865 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:09,239 Speaker 3: That girl, that girl. What I'm here too afraid is 1866 01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:14,279 bad girl. Okay, it's actually really good girl. And she's 1867 01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:22,800 called bat Girl good girl. Yeah, she's great. 1868 01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:25,439 Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for joining us, Shy. 1869 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,319 Speaker 6: This is a fantasy episode. 1870 01:31:27,319 --> 01:31:31,640 Speaker 5: We loved hearing about your experience, and of course Marcus 1871 01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,479 now has all the pressure in the world to finish 1872 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:36,199 this game. 1873 01:31:37,039 --> 01:31:40,279 Speaker 6: Will be a great fun Mark. 1874 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,680 Speaker 3: We might have to regroup to hear your thoughts. So jealous, 1875 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,520 I want to go and play it, and I don't 1876 01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,279 have time in this week. But yeah, I can't wait. 1877 01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:53,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited to get back to what I love. 1878 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,880 What I played on stream, and I I know I'm 1879 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,720 going to see I'm a huge Batman fan, and so 1880 01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,760 I was like, I'm definitely seeing this one all the 1881 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:00,399 week through. 1882 01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:02,960 Speaker 3: You playing co op, either of you. 1883 01:32:04,279 --> 01:32:07,520 Speaker 5: I played a little bit with my fiance, but she 1884 01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:09,840 I had to play for review, so I did a 1885 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,000 lot of okay while she was doing her adult job, 1886 01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:14,199 I was at home playing baby. 1887 01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:19,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, I might do some co I might try it, 1888 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,279 but it'll probably be largely just me soloing. Yet I'll 1889 01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:25,520 let I'll let bet Girl be my partner. 1890 01:32:26,279 --> 01:32:30,960 Speaker 3: Or play as bet Girl later on in the game. Yeah, guys, 1891 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,720 really nice to talk to you that. What could be 1892 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,960 more fun than spending all this time nerding out about Batman? 1893 01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:38,439 Speaker 6: That is it's a great point. 1894 01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:44,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll do our quick little podcast intro or outro rather. 1895 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,159 Speaker 4: Thanks so much everyone for joining. 1896 01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:49,479 Speaker 5: Us this week on the Game Former Show. As always, 1897 01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,359 you can go to get forward to com slash subscribe 1898 01:32:51,399 --> 01:32:55,199 to subscribe to our physical magazine. I also want to 1899 01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,800 do a quick little plug for the Dayton black Box 1900 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,000 Improv theaters where I do improv are doing really great, 1901 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,359 and also I just just for fun. I didn't want 1902 01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:04,720 to do this in front of Shy, but I was 1903 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,359 gonna do anyone. 1904 01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:05,760 Speaker 4: That's fine. 1905 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,119 Speaker 5: I just put out a SoundCloud album for all my 1906 01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:10,960 silly little lunch song parodies. So if you've heard those 1907 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,039 on past episodes of the show and you wanted to 1908 01:33:13,039 --> 01:33:14,920 listen to all those, one place that's on SoundCloud. 1909 01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,800 Speaker 4: It's called lunch Songs, a parody album. 1910 01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 3: I think I'm on in front of shi What do 1911 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,840 you mean? Of course that's on a level I expect. 1912 01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:29,039 Speaker 5: I'm also made at Chuck Duck three sixty five. Marcus 1913 01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:32,840 is Marcus Stewart seven Shy? Where can people find you 1914 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,520 if you want to be found? And is there anything 1915 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,479 else you would like to plug? 1916 01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:40,560 Speaker 3: Not a moment. I think this is a lot. I'm 1917 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,960 Shy Mathison one word on Instagram and sometimes on Twitter. 1918 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,039 I'm more active on Instagram, but yeah, Twitter is most 1919 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:50,279 mostly games, but yeah you can you'll find me there 1920 01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:53,560 a lot of awesome just Batman spam at the moment, 1921 01:33:54,399 --> 01:33:58,720 good back, go back to Bam. That's bam. It's a 1922 01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:03,439 good name for that. Might like a condiment, man, if. 1923 01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:06,119 Speaker 4: They that'd be a great conment. Man episode. 1924 01:34:08,079 --> 01:34:09,560 Speaker 3: Alright, well let's pitch it. 1925 01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:12,800 Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna go with Shy and we're gonna go 1926 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,920 write a screenplay real quick for a new episode in 1927 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,600 the Right series. 1928 01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:17,279 Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for joining us. 1929 01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,720 Speaker 4: We'll see you next week. Bye bye, Thanks guys,