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one o'clock here in Not So sunny southern California. I'm
sure you're all sick and tired of hearing me say
how gorgeous it is here in Los Angeles. And today
we've actually had a very gray, cloudy sky some rain,
which is good because they're going to get some snow
up in Mammoth in about two weeks. I'm heading up there,
but it is four o'clock back east, and I usually
start the show want to hear from you. I want
to answer your questions anything, especially your dogs and cats.
If it's something I can't answer about an exotic pet,
I will go get the answer for you and we'll
talk about it next week, and you still get the
credit and the free pro sens pet product. But I
also saw the news piece. There was a story that
was in the Boston Globe a couple of days ago,
and it just blew my mind. And here's one. Seriously, folks,
I know your pet lovers. You wouldn't be listening to
pet Life Radio. You wouldn't be tuning into our show.
But this is one where I'm not gonna ask you
would you like to call in. I'm not going to
give you hell for not calling in. I definitely want
to hear from you because I want some opinions. But
the story was that they're in Sochi, where they're about
to launch the Winter Olympics for twenty fourteen. There was
a story coming out that apparently, as in many large cities,
there is a problem with loose dogs pet overpopulation, these
dogs running around, obviously maybe soiling the streets, and their
solution is to drive around and kill these dogs, sometimes
shooting them dead in the streets, capturing them and taking
them to put them to sleep.
Speaker 3: And that just irked me.
Speaker 2: I hope it irks you too, and I have my
own solution that I think would be a lot more effective.
I mean, with all the stuff going on with Sochi
in this year's Olympics and all the bad press for
various reasons they've been getting, wouldn't it be nice to
do something really positive? And I think that dealing with
this problem properly the way I think it should be
dealt with it could give them so much great press.
And anyway, just curious to know, give me a call
here at pet Life Radio easy number one eight seven
seven three eight five eight eight eight two. Go ahead
and just join the conversation or send me a quick
little note to Dr Jeff. That's doctor Jeff at Petlife
Radio dot com, and let's hear what you have to
think and what your solution may be. Hopefully it's a
better solution than the current one, because the current one
isn't really pretty.
Speaker 3: I think it's terrible.
Speaker 2: As you're thinking, getting your phones out and start dialing
eight seven seven three eight five eighty eight two. I
do want to say it was funny. I was listening
to Arden Moore show Oh Behave on the just just
before this show, and her guest was Bert Ward years
ago when he lived closer to in the West LA area.
Now he lives he's got big animal sanctuary. He is
a major, major animal nut. But he was one of
my clients, and I believe it's got to be close
to twenty over twenty years ago. And I think he
had great dance. I know he had some really really
big dogs. But he is a great, great dog and
pet and animal enthusiast, which is great as a wonderful sanctuary,
commits a lot of his time to saving the helping animals.
And also the fact that I don't know if he
even mentioned it on the show, but very impressive. Bert
Ward is a speed reader. He can read a book
that might take us several days week or several weeks.
He could probably read a five hundred pay book in
one city. It's amazing. It's a scale apparently developed a
long time ago. I don't know if you remember, way
back the Evelyn Wood we used to have this reading
dynamics and she used to teach the art of speed reading.
I don't know whether he uses that technique or another,
but man, this guy can read a book as fast
as he.
Speaker 3: Could turn the pages. Quite the genius.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I would like to to hear from you about
what is going on in the plight of these animals
and sot the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics. How many have
already heard of this story? How many of you are
not going to watch the Olympics because of this? So
I think these are some things that I like to
hear from you. We need to talk about. Go ahead
and just call on in at eight seven seven three,
eight five eight eight eighty two. I think it's really
really important. In the meantime, while we're doing this, I
do want to just talk about I had some you know,
a very very sad case, and it brings me back
to discussion. We had several weeks ago and one of
my really good friends, a guy that I played basketball
in the league with, had to put his eleven year
old chocolate labrador to sleep yesterday because of bone cancer.
And I mean, certainly, bone cancer is a tough disease.
It's practically ultimately one hundred percent fatal in that dogs
that haven't even dogs with treatment appropriate treatment don't have
a long time and we're going to end uputting them
to sleep. Unfortunately, it's not something they usually die from.
It's something we put them to sleep because of. And
as I was, you know, talking about the dog, and
and I didn't really start taking care of Roco, his
dog until we started playing ball together.
Speaker 3: But he had Rocko neuter.
Speaker 2: Very young because interestingly, the recommendations were at the time
that we should be neutering and spaying our dogs around
six months, usually females just before their first heat. The
tightrope you want to get them until, especially with the
small breeds, we want to wait until all their adult
teeth are in so we can at the same time
solve the problem of retained deciduous teeth. We don't want
to knock him out twice in a month period, once
to spae nooter and then a month later to pull
the baby teeth that haven't fallen out on their own.
So we like to wait until all the adult teeth
are in and that we will know which baby teeth
are still there that might need to be pulled and
do it at the same time as a spain hooter.
And then the study came out linking a very strong
likelihood of a link between early spain nooter and increased
incidents of BoNT cancer. This study happened to take place
with rottweilers, but we can probably extrapolate to any large
bree dog who does get bone cancer. And the statistics
were frightening. Sixty five percent greater incidents in long bone
cancer in the male and a thirty five percent increased
incidence of long bone cancer in the female that were
pre pubertly Spade or newter. That's huge, absolutely huge. So
a lot of municipalities out there are so concerned about
overpopulation and mistaken breedings, et cetera that they are enforcing
spain neuter by four months of age. First of all,
my opinion, never spay or neuter at four months of age.
And now so much more is coming out at the
other end of the spectrum, the spectrum that you know what,
it might not be so great to spay neuter to
these dogs and cats so early. Let the females have
a heat, let their teeth come in first, Let the
males reach sexual maturity as well, and especially the large breeds,
so we can help at least sixty five percent help
the incidents of long bone cancer as adult dogs. And
sure enough, poor Roco was neutered very early, and in fact,
interesting now that I I've heard of this study, I
made up my business to ask the owners of the
dogs that I had to put to sleep because of
bone cancer, when were there pets neutered or spade an
interesting last bat for mail, So in this case was neutered,
and I'd say I think all but one were neutered
very early, which before the study came out, we had
no idea that there was that type of link between
the two. So I think very very important. Back off,
have your veterinarian, if you're better, ask any questions, let
them look it up. The study on the link between
bone cancer and the large breeds and early spain neuter.
But you're certainly a veterinarian can write a letter that
can excuse the early spaine neuter. I know in LA
that like to get a license is cheap. I think
it's ten or fifteen bucks. But if you haven't, and
that's for a neuter to spaye dog, and if it's
not neutered to spade, it's like ridiculous, like four hundred dollars.
It's some really crazy crazy amount. And you know, you
can have your veterinarian write a letter that can excuse
the early spain uter for medical reasons. I truly believe
that knowing the sixty five percent or thirty five percent
greater incidents in bone cancer, that's a pretty darn good
medical reason. And that is something that you guys should
ask for a veterinarian, but do not rush. And as
I said, there's a lot of studies out there now,
and I know again a lot of them are coming
from more of the naturopaths that are possibly a little
bit swayed in the other direction, but they are also
promoting not spaying neutering. I think that's going a bit
too far my personal opinion. But if a client comes
to me and says, you know what, I think I
really want my dog to have one heat and spay
them after the first heat, but before the second. You
know what, fine by me. As a matter of fact,
we do know then. One of the reasons why just
you know that we do recommend earlier spae is because
the incidence of memory cancer is reduced dramatically high nineties
percentile if you spay before the first heat. But if
you let them have one heat and spay after the
first heat but before the second, you still have about
an eighty eighty five percent risk reduction that is.
Speaker 3: Still really really good.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the risk reduction drops to practically nil zero
if these dogs have a second heat or a litter
on the first heat, which we never recommend anyway. So
I'm become more of a proponent of even the small
breeds one heat. It's okay because they're coming up with
a lot of other positive aspects to letting these dogs
reach sexual maturity and having the heat first. So large
breads to the bone cancer thing. I've sold small breads.
I really leave it up to the owner. I'll give
it as much information as I can, tell them to do
some homework, and whatever they want to do is fine.
With me as long as we both agree that we
will be spaying order ding this dog before that second heat. Anyway, again,
I'm still waiting to hear from somebody. I want to
know if you guys have read that article, you can
look it up. It was in the Boston Globe, the
article about how they plan to handle the pet most
dog overpopulation problem Insocie as we are approaching the twenty
fourteen Winter Olympics, and honestly, guys made me sick of
my stomach, So it would be great to hear from you,
so let me know. So while you guys are getting
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Speaker 3: Man, welcome back, So we asked the mest of doctor Jeff.
Speaker 2: You're on Life Radio, and also I wanted to thank
you again one of our new sponsors, which is pet
Health Network. Again a lot of this information we talk about,
you can find a pit out network. We did get
a little quick question about whatever happened to the black lab,
the blind lab that one of my clients found literally
aimlessly walking the streets believe it or not, we found
the owner and was reunited with the owner. And how
amazing the dog got out of the yard, and of
course though the nose. Interestingly, that area that it was
found was one of the areas a dog walks when
they take them.
Speaker 3: For a walk.
Speaker 2: So it is if either the dog was looking for
the owner and knowing by the nose, by the scent
where to go. But I think that was amazing, actually fascinating.
And also I just put a little note to all
of you, so listeners, give us a call or join
our conversation. I want to hear from you, too many
bashful people. There's no way that there are people listening
right now that either know of the story or did
not know but have just heard about the story and
aren't as perturbed as I was to hear.
Speaker 3: So I want to hear from you anyway.
Speaker 2: Also, there's another interesting thing that came up, and I
don't know if any of you have animals socially dogs
that are type one diabetics. Now, when cats get diabetes,
they typically get type two diabetes, and type two diabetes
is adult onset diabetes like people get that are usually overweight,
and that is one that's the more common type of diabetes.
Speaker 3: That we see in cats. Dogs.
Speaker 2: However, regardless of age, and this usually as a more
it is more of an adult onset, we'll get type
one diabetes. Type one diabetes has nothing to do with obesity,
and it is a type of diabetes that we call
insulin dependent diabetes. These dogs actually have a for some reason,
whether it's just a disease of the pancreas of the
islet cells. The islet is of Langerham cells are the
cells that will produce the insulin, and these islet cells
will just stop working, stop functioning, might be diseased, might
be a virus. We don't know why, but it is
the equivalent of the juvenile onset diabetes.
Speaker 3: That people have.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So we were working with this dog and this
is very interesting because something you want to know about
that I don't know if if any time you've had
a dog with diabetes and you are trying to you know,
early in the stage, we have to deal with trying
to what we call titrate the dose of insulin. We
start based on weight. It might be a unit per
kilogram depending on the insulin, and then we monitor, we
do what's called the blood glucose curve, monitoring the glucose,
monitoring the glucose or the sugar in the urine until
we get to the right level. And so as we
hopefully increase the amount of insulin, we will see a
decrease in blood glucose, which is where we want and
we want to try to get the blood glucose to arrange.
That might be a little higher than normal, but we
want to get it definitely less than two hundred microgrammars,
because what happens is that's the level at which the
urine will pick up the excess blood sugar, so we'll
end up with urine glucose as well. It's called the
urine threshold, the kidney threshold for glucose. So if you
have if you see typically glucose in the urine from
like a urine dipstick or wherever you're going to monitor
your pets urine, you know that the blood glucose level
is at least two fifty. So our goal is, obviously
we want to keep it below that, preferably in the
mid to maybe high one hundreds. It's great to be
under two hundred. You know, normal is about one hundred
and ten hundred and twenty, so down to sixty would
be normal. You get down much below sixty, then you
got a problem. So sometimes what will happen is, as
you're tight trading, you're increasing your insulin. Oh you know,
of course under you know the veterinary supervision, and all
of a sudden you reach a point where you were
bringing the blood sugar down down by raising the insulin.
Everything was working great, and all of a sudden your
blood sugar is skyrocketing again, and you're going, oh my god,
what happened? Oh, there must be a problem. The owner's
not giving it right and not going secure. They're going
intradermally instead of under the skin. The insulin was left out.
Maybe they shook it instead of rolled it gently. You
don't want to shake your bottle of insulin. Then therefore
it's becoming ineffective. So you know what, we need to
get some new insulin or do try something. Work again
with the owner, make sure they're giving the shot properly.
We want to then increase the incident. Well, guess what
that might be doing it as service. There is something
called a Simoji effect, and obviously the guy that discovered
this was named simoji, and what it is is sometimes
because of possibly increasing the insulin a little bit too much,
when the blood sugar drops too low, then the functioning
portion of the pancreas the bloodchagar, goes to work and
starts overcompensating. So even though you're giving a ton of insulin,
probably more than you need to, the blood sugar because
of the Simoji effect is getting actually higher instead of lower,
and you think so it's a mistaken high, and therefore
you're sitting there panicking and starting to give even more
insulin and you're doing a disservice. So it's very important
when you have a problem speak to your veterinarian. If
your veterinarians having an issue, as we discussed within the
last week of the week before we talked about when
to refer seek the opinion of an expert, you might
want to call an internist and get some help managing
this case. So surprisingly I am not heard from any
of you. I am rather surprised. So what I would
you know? Basically one of the things that I thought about.
And if you want to agree or disagree, you know,
let me know. You can send me an email to
doctor Jeff D. R. Jeff at pat Life Radio. You
can call in the next several minutes we have left
of our show eight seven seven three eight five eight
eight eight two. And here's what I think would have
been a much better solution, letting the world know that
there is a problem with street dogs, an overpopulation, and
these dogs are all over the streets.
Speaker 3: So here's what we're going to do. World.
Speaker 2: We are making an increased effort. We're going to capture
these dogs. We are going to set up temporary shelters
in our city, and we are going to capture these dogs.
We are going to clean them up, and we are
going to spay and neoter those that aren't, which is
probably hardly any of them, and then we will be
allowing these dogs. These dogs will be available for adoption
from those of you who are coming to attend the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Now, how cool would that be?
Speaker 2: What kind of souvenirs are you going to go home
with if you are lucky enough to go see the Olympics.
Are you going to get little pins that you can
put on your shirt or your sweater or your hat,
or how cool would it be to say I'm coming
home with a Sochi Olympic.
Speaker 3: Dog that would be great.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the world opinion, how much better it
would be if these dogs will be offered available for adoption.
And how many dog crazy people, especially from Japan, especially
from Western Europe, especially from the Americas, who would love
nothing more.
Speaker 3: I mean, people do it already.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many clients I have that
we're vacationing somewhere. It's vacation in Mexico and South America.
You name it, and saw a stray dog, ended up
bringing it back.
Speaker 3: I almost did it.
Speaker 2: I was in Mexico last year and we almost brought
back astray but we found out it wasn't astray. So
this would be, I think, a much better solution. You
could still get these dogs off the street. You're building
multi kazillion dollar structures and buildings as it is for
the Olympics. What would be like to make some these
temporary tents that you can build and use them to
house these unwanted dogs. And if you did have to
ultimately put them to sleep, don't do it by shooting them.
They can be done humanly. And after the Olympic spectators
have had a chance to possibly adopt the pet and
bring it home think about it, get back to me,
let me know what you think of my suggestion. If
you have others, we want to hear about it. So
once again we want to thank you for joining us
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