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Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Well, good afternoon, and welcome to ask the vets of

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doctor Jeff here on pet Life Radio. I am your host,

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doctor Jeff Werber, and thrilled to be here with you,

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and I want to of course thank my show sponsor,

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I here at my hospital, I of course sell some

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really good stuff, but we try to bring veternight quality

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Speaker 3: So hopefully appreciate.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, anyone who calls into our

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show either phone, emails or sends me a little text

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question here on the show, just by getting me at

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doctor Jeff at petlifradio dot com, or you can go

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type in a question and we will get a hold

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of you. We will send you out a free Pro

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Sense Pet product for your pet. So anyway, it is

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one o'clock here in Not So sunny southern California. I'm

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sure you're all sick and tired of hearing me say

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how gorgeous it is here in Los Angeles. And today

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we've actually had a very gray, cloudy sky some rain,

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which is good because they're going to get some snow

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up in Mammoth in about two weeks. I'm heading up there,

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but it is four o'clock back east, and I usually

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start the show want to hear from you. I want

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to answer your questions anything, especially your dogs and cats.

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If it's something I can't answer about an exotic pet,

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I will go get the answer for you and we'll

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talk about it next week, and you still get the

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credit and the free pro sens pet product. But I

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also saw the news piece. There was a story that

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was in the Boston Globe a couple of days ago,

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and it just blew my mind. And here's one. Seriously, folks,

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I know your pet lovers. You wouldn't be listening to

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pet Life Radio. You wouldn't be tuning into our show.

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But this is one where I'm not gonna ask you

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would you like to call in. I'm not going to

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give you hell for not calling in. I definitely want

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to hear from you because I want some opinions. But

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the story was that they're in Sochi, where they're about

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to launch the Winter Olympics for twenty fourteen. There was

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a story coming out that apparently, as in many large cities,

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there is a problem with loose dogs pet overpopulation, these

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dogs running around, obviously maybe soiling the streets, and their

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solution is to drive around and kill these dogs, sometimes

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shooting them dead in the streets, capturing them and taking

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them to put them to sleep.

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Speaker 3: And that just irked me.

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Speaker 2: I hope it irks you too, and I have my

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own solution that I think would be a lot more effective.

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I mean, with all the stuff going on with Sochi

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in this year's Olympics and all the bad press for

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various reasons they've been getting, wouldn't it be nice to

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do something really positive? And I think that dealing with

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this problem properly the way I think it should be

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dealt with it could give them so much great press.

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And anyway, just curious to know, give me a call

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here at pet Life Radio easy number one eight seven

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and just join the conversation or send me a quick

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little note to Dr Jeff. That's doctor Jeff at Petlife

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Radio dot com, and let's hear what you have to

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think and what your solution may be. Hopefully it's a

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better solution than the current one, because the current one

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isn't really pretty.

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Speaker 3: I think it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: As you're thinking, getting your phones out and start dialing

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eight seven seven three eight five eighty eight two. I

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do want to say it was funny. I was listening

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to Arden Moore show Oh Behave on the just just

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before this show, and her guest was Bert Ward years

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ago when he lived closer to in the West LA area.

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Now he lives he's got big animal sanctuary. He is

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a major, major animal nut. But he was one of

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my clients, and I believe it's got to be close

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to twenty over twenty years ago. And I think he

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had great dance. I know he had some really really

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big dogs. But he is a great, great dog and

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pet and animal enthusiast, which is great as a wonderful sanctuary,

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commits a lot of his time to saving the helping animals.

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And also the fact that I don't know if he

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even mentioned it on the show, but very impressive. Bert

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Ward is a speed reader. He can read a book

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that might take us several days week or several weeks.

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one city. It's amazing. It's a scale apparently developed a

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long time ago. I don't know if you remember, way

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back the Evelyn Wood we used to have this reading

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dynamics and she used to teach the art of speed reading.

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I don't know whether he uses that technique or another,

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but man, this guy can read a book as fast

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as he.

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Speaker 3: Could turn the pages. Quite the genius.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I would like to to hear from you about

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what is going on in the plight of these animals

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and sot the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics. How many have

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already heard of this story? How many of you are

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not going to watch the Olympics because of this? So

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I think these are some things that I like to

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hear from you. We need to talk about. Go ahead

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and just call on in at eight seven seven three,

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eight five eight eight eighty two. I think it's really

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really important. In the meantime, while we're doing this, I

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do want to just talk about I had some you know,

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a very very sad case, and it brings me back

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to discussion. We had several weeks ago and one of

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my really good friends, a guy that I played basketball

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in the league with, had to put his eleven year

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old chocolate labrador to sleep yesterday because of bone cancer.

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And I mean, certainly, bone cancer is a tough disease.

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It's practically ultimately one hundred percent fatal in that dogs

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that haven't even dogs with treatment appropriate treatment don't have

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a long time and we're going to end uputting them

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to sleep. Unfortunately, it's not something they usually die from.

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It's something we put them to sleep because of. And

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as I was, you know, talking about the dog, and

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and I didn't really start taking care of Roco, his

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dog until we started playing ball together.

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Speaker 3: But he had Rocko neuter.

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Speaker 2: Very young because interestingly, the recommendations were at the time

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that we should be neutering and spaying our dogs around

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six months, usually females just before their first heat. The

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tightrope you want to get them until, especially with the

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small breeds, we want to wait until all their adult

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teeth are in so we can at the same time

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solve the problem of retained deciduous teeth. We don't want

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to knock him out twice in a month period, once

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to spae nooter and then a month later to pull

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the baby teeth that haven't fallen out on their own.

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are in and that we will know which baby teeth

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are still there that might need to be pulled and

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do it at the same time as a spain hooter.

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likelihood of a link between early spain nooter and increased

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incidents of BoNT cancer. This study happened to take place

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with rottweilers, but we can probably extrapolate to any large

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bree dog who does get bone cancer. And the statistics

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were frightening. Sixty five percent greater incidents in long bone

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cancer in the male and a thirty five percent increased

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incidence of long bone cancer in the female that were

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pre pubertly Spade or newter. That's huge, absolutely huge. So

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a lot of municipalities out there are so concerned about

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overpopulation and mistaken breedings, et cetera that they are enforcing

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spain neuter by four months of age. First of all,

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my opinion, never spay or neuter at four months of age.

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other end of the spectrum, the spectrum that you know what,

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it might not be so great to spay neuter to

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these dogs and cats so early. Let the females have

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a heat, let their teeth come in first, Let the

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males reach sexual maturity as well, and especially the large breeds,

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so we can help at least sixty five percent help

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the incidents of long bone cancer as adult dogs. And

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sure enough, poor Roco was neutered very early, and in fact,

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interesting now that I I've heard of this study, I

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made up my business to ask the owners of the

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dogs that I had to put to sleep because of

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bone cancer, when were there pets neutered or spade an

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interesting last bat for mail, So in this case was neutered,

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and I'd say I think all but one were neutered

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very early, which before the study came out, we had

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no idea that there was that type of link between

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the two. So I think very very important. Back off,

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have your veterinarian, if you're better, ask any questions, let

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them look it up. The study on the link between

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bone cancer and the large breeds and early spain neuter.

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But you're certainly a veterinarian can write a letter that

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can excuse the early spaine neuter. I know in LA

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that like to get a license is cheap. I think

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it's ten or fifteen bucks. But if you haven't, and

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that's for a neuter to spaye dog, and if it's

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not neutered to spade, it's like ridiculous, like four hundred dollars.

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It's some really crazy crazy amount. And you know, you

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can have your veterinarian write a letter that can excuse

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the early spain uter for medical reasons. I truly believe

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that knowing the sixty five percent or thirty five percent

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greater incidents in bone cancer, that's a pretty darn good

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medical reason. And that is something that you guys should

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ask for a veterinarian, but do not rush. And as

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I said, there's a lot of studies out there now,

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and I know again a lot of them are coming

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from more of the naturopaths that are possibly a little

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bit swayed in the other direction, but they are also

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promoting not spaying neutering. I think that's going a bit

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too far my personal opinion. But if a client comes

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to me and says, you know what, I think I

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really want my dog to have one heat and spay

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them after the first heat, but before the second. You

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know what, fine by me. As a matter of fact,

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we do know then. One of the reasons why just

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you know that we do recommend earlier spae is because

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the incidence of memory cancer is reduced dramatically high nineties

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percentile if you spay before the first heat. But if

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you let them have one heat and spay after the

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first heat but before the second, you still have about

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an eighty eighty five percent risk reduction that is.

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Speaker 3: Still really really good.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the risk reduction drops to practically nil zero

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if these dogs have a second heat or a litter

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on the first heat, which we never recommend anyway. So

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I'm become more of a proponent of even the small

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breeds one heat. It's okay because they're coming up with

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a lot of other positive aspects to letting these dogs

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reach sexual maturity and having the heat first. So large

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breads to the bone cancer thing. I've sold small breads.

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I really leave it up to the owner. I'll give

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it as much information as I can, tell them to do

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some homework, and whatever they want to do is fine.

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With me as long as we both agree that we

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will be spaying order ding this dog before that second heat. Anyway, again,

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I'm still waiting to hear from somebody. I want to

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know if you guys have read that article, you can

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look it up. It was in the Boston Globe, the

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article about how they plan to handle the pet most

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dog overpopulation problem Insocie as we are approaching the twenty

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fourteen Winter Olympics, and honestly, guys made me sick of

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my stomach, So it would be great to hear from you,

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so let me know. So while you guys are getting

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encouraged to call me in this the approaching second part

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of our half hour, we are going to break for

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a quick commercial interruption and then we'll be right back

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here on pet Life Radio. Assive's with doctor Jeff and

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I'm your host, Doctor Jeff. Weever will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Let's.

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Speaker 6: Don pet on radio, Headline Radio, pet life Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Man, welcome back, So we asked the mest of doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 2: You're on Life Radio, and also I wanted to thank

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you again one of our new sponsors, which is pet

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Health Network. Again a lot of this information we talk about,

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you can find a pit out network. We did get

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a little quick question about whatever happened to the black lab,

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the blind lab that one of my clients found literally

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aimlessly walking the streets believe it or not, we found

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the owner and was reunited with the owner. And how

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amazing the dog got out of the yard, and of

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course though the nose. Interestingly, that area that it was

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found was one of the areas a dog walks when

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they take them.

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Speaker 3: For a walk.

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Speaker 2: So it is if either the dog was looking for

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the owner and knowing by the nose, by the scent

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where to go. But I think that was amazing, actually fascinating.

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of you, so listeners, give us a call or join

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our conversation. I want to hear from you, too many

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bashful people. There's no way that there are people listening

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right now that either know of the story or did

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not know but have just heard about the story and

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aren't as perturbed as I was to hear.

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Speaker 3: So I want to hear from you anyway.

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Speaker 2: Also, there's another interesting thing that came up, and I

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don't know if any of you have animals socially dogs

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that are type one diabetics. Now, when cats get diabetes,

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they typically get type two diabetes, and type two diabetes

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and that is one that's the more common type of diabetes.

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it is more of an adult onset, we'll get type

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one diabetes. Type one diabetes has nothing to do with obesity,

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and it is a type of diabetes that we call

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insulin dependent diabetes. These dogs actually have a for some reason,

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whether it's just a disease of the pancreas of the

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islet cells. The islet is of Langerham cells are the

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cells that will produce the insulin, and these islet cells

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will just stop working, stop functioning, might be diseased, might

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be a virus. We don't know why, but it is

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the equivalent of the juvenile onset diabetes.

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Speaker 3: That people have.

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is very interesting because something you want to know about

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a dog with diabetes and you are trying to you know,

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kilogram depending on the insulin, and then we monitor, we

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monitoring the glucose or the sugar in the urine until

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we get to the right level. And so as we

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hopefully increase the amount of insulin, we will see a

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decrease in blood glucose, which is where we want and

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want to get it definitely less than two hundred microgrammars,

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urine will pick up the excess blood sugar, so we'll

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urine threshold, the kidney threshold for glucose. So if you

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like a urine dipstick or wherever you're going to monitor

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be normal. You get down much below sixty, then you

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you're tight trading, you're increasing your insulin. Oh you know,

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of course under you know the veterinary supervision, and all

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bringing the blood sugar down down by raising the insulin.

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what happened? Oh, there must be a problem. The owner's

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not giving it right and not going secure. They're going

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intradermally instead of under the skin. The insulin was left out.

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don't want to shake your bottle of insulin. Then therefore

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it's becoming ineffective. So you know what, we need to

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with the owner, make sure they're giving the shot properly.

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that might be doing it as service. There is something

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this was named simoji, and what it is is sometimes

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when the blood sugar drops too low, then the functioning

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portion of the pancreas the bloodchagar, goes to work and

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starts overcompensating. So even though you're giving a ton of insulin,

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probably more than you need to, the blood sugar because

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you're sitting there panicking and starting to give even more

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insulin and you're doing a disservice. So it's very important

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when you have a problem speak to your veterinarian. If

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your veterinarians having an issue, as we discussed within the

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last week of the week before we talked about when

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to refer seek the opinion of an expert, you might

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want to call an internist and get some help managing

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this case. So surprisingly I am not heard from any

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of you. I am rather surprised. So what I would

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you know? Basically one of the things that I thought about.

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And if you want to agree or disagree, you know,

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let me know. You can send me an email to

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doctor Jeff D. R. Jeff at pat Life Radio. You

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can call in the next several minutes we have left

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of our show eight seven seven three eight five eight

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eight eight two. And here's what I think would have

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been a much better solution, letting the world know that

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there is a problem with street dogs, an overpopulation, and

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these dogs are all over the streets.

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Speaker 3: So here's what we're going to do. World.

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Speaker 2: We are making an increased effort. We're going to capture

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these dogs. We are going to set up temporary shelters

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in our city, and we are going to capture these dogs.

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We are going to clean them up, and we are

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going to spay and neoter those that aren't, which is

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probably hardly any of them, and then we will be

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allowing these dogs. These dogs will be available for adoption

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from those of you who are coming to attend the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Now, how cool would that be?

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Speaker 2: What kind of souvenirs are you going to go home

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with if you are lucky enough to go see the Olympics.

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Are you going to get little pins that you can

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put on your shirt or your sweater or your hat,

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or how cool would it be to say I'm coming

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home with a Sochi Olympic.

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Speaker 3: Dog that would be great.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the world opinion, how much better it

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would be if these dogs will be offered available for adoption.

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And how many dog crazy people, especially from Japan, especially

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from Western Europe, especially from the Americas, who would love

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nothing more.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people do it already.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many clients I have that

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we're vacationing somewhere. It's vacation in Mexico and South America.

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You name it, and saw a stray dog, ended up

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bringing it back.

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Speaker 3: I almost did it.

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Speaker 2: I was in Mexico last year and we almost brought

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back astray but we found out it wasn't astray. So

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this would be, I think, a much better solution. You

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could still get these dogs off the street. You're building

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multi kazillion dollar structures and buildings as it is for

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the Olympics. What would be like to make some these

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temporary tents that you can build and use them to

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house these unwanted dogs. And if you did have to

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ultimately put them to sleep, don't do it by shooting them.

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They can be done humanly. And after the Olympic spectators

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have had a chance to possibly adopt the pet and

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bring it home think about it, get back to me,

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let me know what you think of my suggestion. If

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you have others, we want to hear about it. So

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once again we want to thank you for joining us

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want to thank pet Help Network. Of course, we want

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to thank Mark Winter, our producer, and we will see

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you here next week live here on SBS, Doctor Jeff

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