Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the podcast. I
Speaker 1: am Mark Shark writer Hofmeyer, and I am Jay.
Speaker 2: This is Bess Clerks. Welcome to your board. Deeply see
Speaker 2: the podcast. On this show, we've been through the entire
Speaker 2: Deep Blue Sea traergy scene by scene we're doing again.
Speaker 2: We've already won for guests and this is Deep c one,
Speaker 2: chapter thirty one. What happens in chapter thirty one, Let's
Speaker 2: have a listen.
Speaker 3: Howter tries to climb out of the water. He's in
Speaker 3: the wholesome of fallen latter runs. The shark nears, so
Speaker 3: he gives up and swims down. Opting is said to
Speaker 3: wrangle the shark it sends his teeth in a terrifying manner.
Speaker 3: How to grab the sharks fin and rise it to
Speaker 3: the surface. Meanwhile, Preacher is alive and climb out of
Speaker 3: the tower with the hopoon gun as the whole audience cheers.
Speaker 3: Carda takes a deep breath as the sharks emerges again,
Speaker 3: dragging him along. Richard painfully stands his feet on top
Speaker 3: of the tower as a shark takes Carter on an
Speaker 3: underwater tour through the struts and bowels of Aquatico. Preacher
Speaker 3: raised the gun. As the shark surfaces with Carter still
Speaker 3: clinging on, Preacher takes aim.
Speaker 4: All right, lord dune it breage, this is the scar
Speaker 4: shoot it.
Speaker 3: He fires the bolt, whizzing through the air, go through
Speaker 3: the shark's fin and Carter's thigh.
Speaker 4: Ah wow, wod preach low it the battery it.
Speaker 3: The gun is wrenched from Preacher's hand as Carter struggles
Speaker 3: to extricate himself from the bolt it. Carter is dragged
Speaker 3: back underwater as Preacher picks at the table end and
Speaker 3: considers his choices.
Speaker 2: So that was DEPC one, Chapter toty one. We have
Speaker 2: a wonderful guest, johnn Yesterday. He becomes highly recommended from
Speaker 2: our former guest Maria Lewis, who is directing an upcoming
Speaker 2: film called untitled Shark movie that we cannot wait to see,
Speaker 2: and he's actually in it and provided some shark expertise
Speaker 2: for the production of it. We're looking forward to him,
Speaker 2: he says. It's doctor Darren McPhee. Darrel, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Thrilled to have you here. We love having shark experts
Speaker 2: on the show because this is a shark movie and
Speaker 2: Mark and I just kind of like sharks. But we
Speaker 2: like to talk to people who like form even more
Speaker 2: than we do, and you.
Speaker 1: Stay busy out there. I've been reading your article or articles.
Speaker 1: It seems like every time something happens in Australia or beyond,
Speaker 1: you get a call. So I've been reading a lot
Speaker 1: of your interviews about like repopped, like moving away tiger sharks,
Speaker 1: but then they just come back months later, and like,
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about the shark ecosystem in Australia
Speaker 1: today reading your your interviews and articles. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Go thank you. Yes, it's certainly. I certainly do a
Speaker 5: lot of media. Some of the media you'll see sort
Speaker 5: of quite fun. It's designed that way, so more lighthearted
Speaker 5: and more infotainment. But obviously it's very different when I'm
Speaker 5: talking directly about an actual serious Bindo fatality. So you'll
Speaker 5: see that very deliberate and legitimate change in time from
Speaker 5: discussions and those sorts of discussions at the time, we
Speaker 5: are very difficult, it's very heightened stress, and my focus
Speaker 5: is always on the victim, the first responders in their family.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, So I have a question, what's your
Speaker 1: what Sorry to jump in this, But what's your history
Speaker 1: of Deep Blue Sea? By the way, Like, this is
Speaker 1: a random show for you to be on, but I
Speaker 1: just want to know if you love it, right, this
Speaker 1: is your second favorite shark film behind Jaws? Correct, it is.
Speaker 5: It's the second My second favorite shark film behind Untied
Speaker 5: Shark movie hasn't been shot yet. I think I'm contractually
Speaker 5: obliged to say that. But no, Look, I'm I've got
Speaker 5: my next book coming out of Sharks down Under. So
Speaker 5: in that book, I've sort of have a whole section
Speaker 5: of sharks in the media, which is now sort of
Speaker 5: more sharks in movies. So it's a bit of a
Speaker 5: content analysis there. So whilst I white claim to have
Speaker 5: watched the about one hundred and nine shark movies, is
Speaker 5: obviously a couple that are that are standing out. It's
Speaker 5: Jaws is obviously the og, but obviously Deep Blue Sea
Speaker 5: given the caliber of actors and actresses that were in
Speaker 5: it and so more attention to detail, it was a
Speaker 5: movie that clearly try to elevate itself and succeededstrom above
Speaker 5: that b level to something that was there was a
Speaker 5: little bit more.
Speaker 1: Substantive, and I love all movies do that this could
Speaker 1: have been a B level film, but they threw seventy
Speaker 1: million dollars at it. There's some very good set pieces,
Speaker 1: and the sharks by Walt Conti, looked great. I think
Speaker 1: the makos look gorgeous. I mean I've watched the videos
Speaker 1: and the like, you know, marine biologists, people like shark experts.
Speaker 1: They say that the animatronics, not the VFX, look gorgeously
Speaker 1: kind of like makos that have been genetically modified. And
Speaker 1: that makes me happy about this movie, like they actually
Speaker 1: did it right ish.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I think we should never expect them to
Speaker 5: be one hundred percent accurate, but it certainly didn't look
Speaker 5: like a Maco Sharks, didn't look like a parody of
Speaker 5: a Maco Shark. They looked pretty good. And particularly since
Speaker 5: it's we're not talking about a movie that was shot
Speaker 5: this year or last year, it's got a bit of uh,
Speaker 5: it's a while ago, so for its time, it's excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: The chapter to about Today has my favorite bit with
Speaker 2: the sharks in it, which is when the teeth kind
Speaker 2: of come out a bit more. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: the term is for it, but as it's kind of
Speaker 2: like about to bite, about to attack car to the
Speaker 2: teeth just kind of come out more. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: that in any other film, and that's always like a
Speaker 2: visual that's stuck in my head as like being that
Speaker 2: shot from this this this scene. Is that accurate? Does
Speaker 2: that happen with with with Mako sharks or sharks in general?
Speaker 2: Do the teeth extend when required?
Speaker 5: It does? Hey, so, and it's believed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 5: look at it. It's great. And that obviously struck me
Speaker 5: cinematically as well, thinking geez, that's a good shot, and hey,
Speaker 5: they've got that right. So it does. And there's several different,
Speaker 5: several different explanations for that. One is and it pushes
Speaker 5: the sharks jewels closer to its price, sort of an
Speaker 5: extra second the bit that and I've slowed down that
Speaker 5: bit and watched it several times and it's hinted at
Speaker 5: but it's not clear, and that's fine. Is that the
Speaker 5: other part of that binding reaction is that the the
Speaker 5: shark's eyes roll back and that happens naturally, and it
Speaker 5: is just hinted in that scene as well fleetingly. So
Speaker 5: that's an adaptation to protect the shark's eyes when it's
Speaker 5: going in to bite something.
Speaker 2: We talked about that briefly on our previous chapter, because
Speaker 2: as the shark kind of smells or senses the blood
Speaker 2: in the water from when Susan cuts her hand, you
Speaker 2: see the shark's eyes go from white to black and
Speaker 2: then just about to attack Susan and they go back
Speaker 2: here from black to white again. So I'm guess I'm
Speaker 2: assuming that's also accurate when it senses the blood go black.
Speaker 5: It is. And look, in terms of the Maco Shark,
Speaker 5: it was just good to see the Maco Shark get
Speaker 5: its day in the sun. That given that it's on
Speaker 5: the Jaws poster, but it wasn't even credited.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that was a there's a maker in the Jaws.
Speaker 1: That was a makeup on the Jaws poster.
Speaker 5: The poster is in Mico Shark.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, well you're.
Speaker 5: Obviously that's ally at the time determined that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, Hollywood at the time must have determined, as Hollywood
Speaker 5: did did they wanted something more slender than the slightly
Speaker 5: rotund front end of a white shark, so they shoved
Speaker 5: in a Mico shark.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've been doing this podcast since twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: I never knew that. And I do a lot of research.
Speaker 1: I'm a researcher. I've never I never realized that you
Speaker 1: just made my night and you made Jay's morning and
Speaker 1: then you're more. That's amazing. That makes me so happy.
Speaker 1: Like all I asked for movies is for them to try.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I played tennis for years and I
Speaker 1: would watch movies about tennis, and the tennis was horrifying
Speaker 1: and it just really depressed me. Or I worked on
Speaker 1: a lot of film sets, and you know, movies about
Speaker 1: making movies, they're just so bad. Sometimes they don't try,
Speaker 1: and I get frustrated by that. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: nice when you see something and people are like, obviously,
Speaker 1: you can't show a real movie being made in a
Speaker 1: movie because you got to have some entertainment value because
Speaker 1: it's mainly just people in like cargo shorts yelling at
Speaker 1: each other. Like it's not exciting at all, but it's
Speaker 1: it's nice when you see like something on screen where
Speaker 1: people actually tried or they did something smart. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of neat that they had the eyes roll back
Speaker 1: and the teeth come out. That that makes me happy
Speaker 1: like this, you know, I think a lot of movies
Speaker 1: don't try that, and at least this one did.
Speaker 5: I do, and I'm trying. And it's not a criticism
Speaker 5: all because it's done in all movies. Is it something
Speaker 5: that if I was giving advice ter make it even
Speaker 5: more realistic? The sharp PI point of view shots, the
Speaker 5: po view shots. It's in standard color. I've sort of
Speaker 5: tweaked into shark vision, which would be more of a
Speaker 5: high black and white highlight contrast. So I've always thought
Speaker 5: that would have been visually a nice visual addition to
Speaker 5: sort of drawing the drawing the viewer's attention. Again, Also,
Speaker 5: it's black and white. What's happened? Oh that's how sharks
Speaker 5: see things.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the Anaconda franchise on this show as
Speaker 2: well sometimes and a recent one had like a snake
Speaker 2: vision where everything was yellow down the center of the screen.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I just how we need to
Speaker 2: get a herpatologist on for that. I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know how accurate that is.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I don't do snakes, so so I
Speaker 5: won't comment on snake vision. It's not my thing.
Speaker 1: No worries note to sell. Yeah, I won't call you
Speaker 1: about that. I'm an entomologist friend. But I don't have
Speaker 1: a herpetologist friend. We need to, we need to, we
Speaker 1: need to find somebody. Jay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a bug guy as well. You've got
Speaker 2: to have a bug guy in your life. You've got
Speaker 2: to have something. You find a random bug center, a picture, Hey,
Speaker 2: what's this?
Speaker 1: They help on we talk about Starship Troopers for sure.
Speaker 2: I was a guest on King Kong. Talk about the
Speaker 2: bug scene. I send him like, hey, Pool, are these accurate?
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, that's a horrifying scene right there.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the King Kong scene, doctor Darryl?
Speaker 5: I haven't.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Jackson's two thousand and five King Kong remake. It's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: It's horrifying because you're like, I'm watching King Kong, this
Speaker 1: is great. And then there's this nightmare scene in a
Speaker 1: in a cavern with these bugs attack and Andy, I
Speaker 1: won't say anything, but it gets it gets pretty gnarly,
Speaker 1: So I like it. I like that a lot. Real quick,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the the there's some good
Speaker 1: shark movies coming out of Australia last year with dangerious
Speaker 1: animals and a beast of war and what was the
Speaker 1: other one Jay with the truck below Fear below. Did
Speaker 1: Were you able to watch any of those or did you?
Speaker 5: I haven't the first The first two are on my
Speaker 5: list because I've sort of in my book, I've sort
Speaker 5: of discussed the shark movies made and shot in Australia
Speaker 5: and where they've been shot. So the other two I
Speaker 5: need to first two in particular, I need to go
Speaker 5: and sort of a have a look.
Speaker 1: At got It. Yeah, it's interesting, Beat as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pete's good. Yeah, Beat Beat three D. The all the
Speaker 1: filmmakers though, they basically said they wanted to make a movie,
Speaker 1: and the producers just told them, like, listen, just make
Speaker 1: a shark movie, put a shark in it. And then
Speaker 1: they were able to kind of get projects off the ground.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting in this climate where you know,
Speaker 1: you toss a shark in it, it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to get funding. They're kind of just universally play across
Speaker 1: the world, don't they. It is.
Speaker 5: One of the first shark movies was Tiger Shark I
Speaker 5: think it was in nineteen thirty two, which was a
Speaker 5: romance drama, and the shark bit was that the the
Speaker 5: Maya lead had his was a tuna fisherman who had
Speaker 5: his hand bitten off by a shark. So so obviously,
Speaker 5: if you're going to call it tiger shark, you're going
Speaker 5: to call a movie tiger shark. These days, you want
Speaker 5: more shark than they were able to put in the
Speaker 5: movie in nineteen thirty two. Yeah, but yeah, So look,
Speaker 5: there's a long cinematic history of sharks. It actually started
Speaker 5: before Jaws. But as I said before, Sharks of the
Speaker 5: Jaws is the og of shark movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how has that worked against her for you? Like
Speaker 1: for conservation? And I mean, you know, I guess I've
Speaker 1: always loved shark movies that They've always been my thing.
Speaker 1: But I've never been like, yeah, I'm gonna go kill
Speaker 1: a shark because you know, Jaws is terrible. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's their turf. So I've never been like had that reaction.
Speaker 1: But has it been like I would assume most people
Speaker 1: watching movies don't take it too seriously this month like
Speaker 1: that fear, but like, how has that herder help their
Speaker 1: plate in the decades since Jaws? Oh?
Speaker 5: Look, it's a it's a bit of a dilemma. I think,
Speaker 5: certainly in the US after Jaws, Like in the immediate
Speaker 5: aftermath of the release of the movie, there was certainly
Speaker 5: a lot more active shark shark hunting, including to extract
Speaker 5: the Jaws, then including for large sharks such as great
Speaker 5: whites and make coast. Look, there's a diversity views in
Speaker 5: the scientific community on them. My view is that shark
Speaker 5: movies are not going to go away.
Speaker 2: With an accounting on it.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you are, so. Again, it comes down to
Speaker 5: they're not set for I actually I'm actually was more
Speaker 5: critical historically if the Discovery Channel for Discovery Channel marketing
Speaker 5: fictional stories as documentaries, and there was a history of
Speaker 5: them doing.
Speaker 1: That, or the Mermaid one, Yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Mermaid one, the Shark of Darkness is there is the
Speaker 5: other one where there was a fictitious Meglodon that was
Speaker 5: marketed as killing killing people off South Africa and those
Speaker 5: bites didn't occur. I think that's actually a more concern
Speaker 5: than obviously fictional stories deep Blue Sea, Sharknado, et cetera. So,
Speaker 5: and look, most students are fascinated by sharks, and most
Speaker 5: students come from a wide range of places. They're not
Speaker 5: environmental science students. Mostly they're business students from from Boston.
Speaker 5: They're all sorts of students from Norway, Sweden, and I
Speaker 5: asked about why what this fascination is with sharks, and
Speaker 5: we're just I just love them, we love watching them
Speaker 5: in movies, we feed them, and we want to know
Speaker 5: more about them. So there's two sides to that coin. So,
Speaker 5: and I haven't known anybody in a contemporary sense. Suddenly
Speaker 5: the young people that's watched a shot movie and then
Speaker 5: thinks I bet a gout and kill all the shops. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm saying to be a seventies thing rather than a
Speaker 5: twenty twenties thing.
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, you know one interesting thing. And you're
Speaker 1: right about the like movies portraying themselves real. And in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, when I was working on my masters it's
Speaker 1: in media and communication studies, I did a thing about
Speaker 1: shark finning and how just there's thousands upon thousands upon
Speaker 1: thousands of articles about shark attacks, but then there were
Speaker 1: very few about the finning of sharks, which is killaid millions.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to get political or whatever, like
Speaker 1: you know, talk about cultural reasons, but it's interesting how
Speaker 1: you don't need you don't need like a fake a
Speaker 1: shark movie portraying it as real, because there's already enough
Speaker 1: out there about the shark attacks around the world because
Speaker 1: people are fascinated by that. But I just thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of a bummer that, like millions of sharks
Speaker 1: being killed, but then like we're talking like a thousand
Speaker 1: times the amount or just about the attacks. So it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Yeah, I guess you don't. You
Speaker 1: don't need more of that out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Jays, I think that's the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever been one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2: I like that, I think so, Yeah, we'll mark it
Speaker 2: on the calendar. And so we had another shark expert
Speaker 2: on recently and we asked him this question too. Is
Speaker 2: there a shark your favorite shark that hasn't appeared in
Speaker 2: films that you've seen yet? Do you have like a
Speaker 2: shark you want to see get its its day in
Speaker 2: the sun.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And that don't have to be a tiny shark,
Speaker 5: the cookie cut of shark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said the same one.
Speaker 5: There we go, just because of all the of all
Speaker 5: the diversity of sharks, we've got this little weirdo that
Speaker 5: runs around with ridiculous teeth and just goes up to
Speaker 5: a while or a dolphin and drills a hole in
Speaker 5: it and takes a plug of flesh.
Speaker 1: And wheel and a dolphin.
Speaker 5: Yes, so there's yes. They attack pray much larger than
Speaker 5: themselves and they just take a chunk out is his
Speaker 5: nice circular ta literally is a cookie cutter and eats
Speaker 5: it and swims off and hangs around for the next bite.
Speaker 5: There's one shark bite. There's one. One actual shark bite
Speaker 5: in Australia was from a cookie cutter shark in Townsville,
Speaker 5: so in Queensland, so adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef.
Speaker 5: It swam through a swimming enclosure and bit an eight
Speaker 5: year old boy on the leg and took off. And
Speaker 5: then there was an around the world sailor who was
Speaker 5: sailing in his inflatable boat, had pretty much circumnavigated most
Speaker 5: of the globe and as soon as he entered Australian waters,
Speaker 5: the cookie cutter sharks drilled holes in his inflatable boat.
Speaker 5: So that's just classic Australia. But look, I just think
Speaker 5: if a cookie cutter shark didn't exist and it appeared
Speaker 5: as a fictional shark in a movie, people would say, geez,
Speaker 5: that's weird, but it actually exists.
Speaker 1: And they should genetically modify it, make them eight feet
Speaker 1: long and then a storm happens and they get let loose.
Speaker 5: That seems to me. Yeah, that'd be close. Imagine that.
Speaker 5: And I thought cookie cut a shark it coun drill
Speaker 5: holes in anything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and also like evolutionary wise, it's smart that
Speaker 1: they're small, right, because they can just do hidden runs
Speaker 1: on larger things, Like it makes sense, like a mosquito.
Speaker 1: They're so small they can just get on you and
Speaker 1: get off. They're bigger, they could get most easier. Like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty good evolutionary trade of theirs, just to
Speaker 1: get in and out right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and from from a memory, that's sort of the
Speaker 5: trade of salmon way for a mile seven. You either
Speaker 5: need to be large or you need to be small.
Speaker 1: Yeahs would go upstream, yes, and to reproduce to that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean that there is a that has cookie Cutt
Speaker 2: of sharks in it, which is Shark Night three D
Speaker 2: from twenty to eleven, which has like a bunch of
Speaker 2: different sharks in it, which mark Mark Clakes far more
Speaker 2: than I who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, film it's like a bunch of spring breakers. Go
Speaker 1: to a Louisiana somewhere in these black market guys like
Speaker 1: they have sharks and they film people getting eat by
Speaker 1: sharks and sell them on the black market.
Speaker 5: And one of the yes, funny, funny, you mentioned spring breakers.
Speaker 5: So my movie analysis suggests that the biggest risk of
Speaker 5: someone being killed in a movie by a shark is
Speaker 5: to be a college student, typically on spring break, to
Speaker 5: be female, and to be wearing a two piece bikini,
Speaker 5: not a one piece swimsuit. So that's that's the factors
Speaker 5: which increases the risk in movies of somebody being killed
Speaker 5: by a shark.
Speaker 2: I'm just watching Mark's eyes go wide, because he loves
Speaker 2: doing these stats I'm known.
Speaker 1: For, like my d I figured out how far the
Speaker 1: sharks swam and jaws avenge. I figured out how the
Speaker 1: creature followed and it follows. I figure out how much
Speaker 1: it was in the money stack at dark night. It's
Speaker 1: like the data that you just dropped on me. I'm
Speaker 1: both happy and jealous what you came up with.
Speaker 2: It's just watching Mark's face was one.
Speaker 1: It's like why I was like, this is amazing, But
Speaker 1: why haven't I thought of that yet? I gotta see
Speaker 1: these results when your book comes out, I'll buy it.
Speaker 1: I'll be uh yeah, and look.
Speaker 5: And and and we're introduced to the shark in Deep
Speaker 5: Blue Sea early in the movie in a similar scenario
Speaker 5: with the group on the boat when the wine spills
Speaker 5: in the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one dice surve It's kind of crazy that
Speaker 1: the shark lets them live, but the shark just wanted
Speaker 1: to get caught. It was like a test because as
Speaker 1: soon as Carter Blake shoots it with that trank, it
Speaker 1: stops just dead still and the boat goes nowhere. So
Speaker 1: I like smart sharks.
Speaker 5: And it obviously didn't like the vintage of.
Speaker 1: It's a cab guy cab so in like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you what are your favorite moments in Deep Lucy?
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about Russell Franklin, but how much
Speaker 1: do you love Stellin Scar's guard being taken on a
Speaker 1: ride and uses a battering. Does that that brings you joy? Right,
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a hilarious not hilarious, but it's
Speaker 1: just a great scene.
Speaker 5: It is And he's one of my favorite actors since
Speaker 5: I watched and or particular second season where he.
Speaker 1: Just stole her.
Speaker 5: Where he basically as we all know Star Wars had
Speaker 5: a bit of a rocky contemporary time the franchise, but
Speaker 5: it was just an out standout performance.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 5: And the fact that not even I was expecting him
Speaker 5: to lose his h uh to for his arm to
Speaker 5: fall off, and it.
Speaker 1: Just uses a battering round on there. That just makes me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I know a lot of
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson he gets at the credit, but that that
Speaker 1: kill keeps it in the press. But that's still my
Speaker 1: favorite because that shark swims around with him for a
Speaker 1: long time and then uses him as a bat as
Speaker 1: a battering I love that someone wrote that in a screenplay.
Speaker 1: You know what, he catches a gurn, he swims around
Speaker 1: with it us Like, that's that shark day you just
Speaker 1: dropped in that scene. Make me very happy. I guess
Speaker 1: that brings me a lot of a lot of happiness.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was an original. It was because you're right,
Speaker 5: it's just thinking it would have just been a one
Speaker 5: line in the screen probably in the screenply us Day
Speaker 5: as battering Ram.
Speaker 1: And then Renny Harlan's like, I'm gonna go on this
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna kill something. Are you a Renny Harland fan.
Speaker 1: Have you watched a lot of his other movies, like
Speaker 1: die Hard Too? Or you're a Renny guy?
Speaker 5: I haven't, no nice.
Speaker 1: Jay, what can we recommend for Renni?
Speaker 2: I'm I think if he's done in the Australian films,
Speaker 2: and I don't think because he's he's directed a lot
Speaker 2: around the globe, but I don't think he's gone to Australia.
Speaker 1: Not yet. I think Cliffhanger, yeah, is like is the
Speaker 1: best ones?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cliffhanger is great?
Speaker 1: And what else? Die Hard Too, die Hard Too?
Speaker 2: And Kiss good Night?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he blows up people real real bad and die
Speaker 1: Hard too. You love Renul those killing people hard like
Speaker 1: he like in Deep Blue c there's some brutal things
Speaker 1: and just imagine that across all of his he's not
Speaker 1: content with like just an explosion. There has to be
Speaker 1: an explosion next to like a gas tank, which is
Speaker 1: next to like a trampoline, and then it's just like
Speaker 1: a comical death and it's pretty great. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then also when it when it comes to sharks,
Speaker 1: like you know, when Jay and I we watch a
Speaker 1: lot of movies and there's just certain moments or like
Speaker 1: smart decisions that bring us a lot of joy like
Speaker 1: in your life when you hear about sharks, where you
Speaker 1: learn about sharks, Like what lately has made you really
Speaker 1: happy to learn about? Like what are some cool things
Speaker 1: that have just put a smile on your face when
Speaker 1: you've learned about learned about them.
Speaker 5: Look, it's not exciting for the average hunter, as we'd
Speaker 5: say in Australia, but sort of working on sort of
Speaker 5: shark deterrence and in particular trying to trying to work
Speaker 5: through what works, what doesn't work, and sort of helping
Speaker 5: with the marketing of the things that do work. The
Speaker 5: electric deterrence are the ones that probably have the most utility.
Speaker 5: And then and I've known that for a while, and
Speaker 5: that's not a that's commonly known, but it was a
Speaker 5: little bit I found in a paper on sort of
Speaker 5: shark physiology which suggested that sharks need that electric sense
Speaker 5: that they sort the electric sense, the electric fields they
Speaker 5: sense through the ampoolie of Lorenzini, those little jellyfill pools
Speaker 5: around their head, because it's actually the critical part mechanically
Speaker 5: in terms of the shark's jaws opening and positioning. So
Speaker 5: there's a little millisecond tweak which sort of explains why
Speaker 5: we expect electric deterrence to work, and probably why they
Speaker 5: may work more than others, and also explains why in
Speaker 5: the various testing shark will apse. Sharks will sometimes approach
Speaker 5: debate or whatever's being used and then either turn away
Speaker 5: very rapidly or just completely miss or not open their jaws.
Speaker 5: So it's this little tipbit hidden away that sort of
Speaker 5: to me explained a whole lot. Well, that's coore, that'll
Speaker 5: take that'll be able to take forward.
Speaker 1: Oh that's neat. What about the surfboards with the bottoms
Speaker 1: that kind of make it resemble the ocean? Isn't there
Speaker 1: something like that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Are those effective or.
Speaker 5: No, they're not. They're not effective, And I'll explain why.
Speaker 5: But the first time I'd heard of it was when
Speaker 5: I met a surfer from Reunion who had broccolie painted
Speaker 5: under his board on the premise that sharks don't like broccoli. Now,
Speaker 5: it was a joke, he understood that. But the whole
Speaker 5: shark eyes on boards may actually be creating a greater risk.
Speaker 5: And again this is something I've written about in the
Speaker 5: next book. So the premise is that what we call
Speaker 5: false eye spots are quite common in nature, so that
Speaker 5: probably deters and confuses prey in the ocean. Most of
Speaker 5: the fish that have those eye spots are very very
Speaker 5: small coralery fish, so we're talking five to ten centimeters,
Speaker 5: so they're not prey for large sharks. And the limited
Speaker 5: testing that's been done on lemon sharks and bamboo sharks
Speaker 5: showed that sharks actually bit false eye spots more than
Speaker 5: the control that didn't have false eye spots. So the
Speaker 5: nutshells to summarize, it's that those sort of stickers on
Speaker 5: the bottom of the boards probably aren't an effective shark deturrent.
Speaker 5: The area that's got a lot of promise and shark
Speaker 5: deterrence is sort of visual deterrence is a system of lighting,
Speaker 5: so little led lights that can measure the overhead light
Speaker 5: can which is self dynamic, and then try and camouflage
Speaker 5: the board based on those conditions.
Speaker 1: That's the next level, though, right that's that's a ways away.
Speaker 5: Next yeah, next level. That's not tomorrow, that's not the
Speaker 5: next day after. It's probably a fair a long way
Speaker 5: away before it's commercially available. And the challenge I've always
Speaker 5: had with visual deterrence is that it assumes that vision
Speaker 5: is the primary tool that sharks are using, and given
Speaker 5: they've got eight sensors that they've gotta have seven to
Speaker 5: choose from, so obviously it makes a contribution. But we're
Speaker 5: not dealing with a visual We're not dealing with an
Speaker 5: obligate visual predator.
Speaker 2: I don't know what are the what are the eight sensors,
Speaker 2: what are the extra sensors?
Speaker 5: The extra sensors that sharks can detect movements through the water,
Speaker 5: So they've got a lateral line and other fish have that.
Speaker 5: They can detect electric currents, and they can also detect
Speaker 5: magnetic fields. How they detect magnetic fields is fairly uncertain,
Speaker 5: or probably I've probably been gentle there. It's largely uncertain.
Speaker 2: In general, that makes makes sense. We don't stand fair enough.
Speaker 2: That's incredable.
Speaker 1: Just paint around the bottom of my surfboard, jaycause wipes
Speaker 1: out some sharks in this So maybe if they're swimming,
Speaker 1: I just canna look up and they're like, not preacher,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess they could be annoyed by it
Speaker 1: kills two sharks in this movie, Like I you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put quint you know, I know that's a
Speaker 1: stupid thing to say, but uh yeah, like I'm not
Speaker 1: messing with that.
Speaker 5: And look, he does very well for he's not trained
Speaker 5: in he's not trained in that particular area.
Speaker 1: How much do you love his side quest? Like he
Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest cinema side quests of
Speaker 1: all time?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 1: Like he's just hanging out in the kitchen, gets into
Speaker 1: a kitchen fight with a shark, blows it up, and
Speaker 1: then saves the day at the end. Like, that's one
Speaker 1: of the cinemas. But that's one of my favorite all
Speaker 1: time side quests. I don't know if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of that as well.
Speaker 5: He saves a day with a parrot, of course, so
Speaker 5: the side Quest had a sidekick, Yeah, and sort of
Speaker 5: as the movie. It's the first time I watched it,
Speaker 5: it seemed to me that Susan would be the real heroine,
Speaker 5: the final girl is often the case in movies, including
Speaker 5: sharp movies. But it's not. It's the Preacher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was supposed to be. It was supposed to
Speaker 2: be Susan. That was the original ending. It was Susan.
Speaker 1: And then yes, yeah, we had some people well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had people from the test screening. I had a
Speaker 1: guy from the test and people were brutal towards poor
Speaker 1: doctor Susan McAllister. But do you think about the ethics
Speaker 1: of her studies, like she's you know, you should never
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not saying it's right, but I do
Speaker 1: find I do like that once everything hits the fan,
Speaker 1: she doesn't try to halt any like harm or anything. She's
Speaker 1: there to help after that. But it's you know, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much things in like you know,
Speaker 1: Frankenstein and all that of science gone wrong. But I
Speaker 1: don't know is that what ethically it's wrong? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that shark testing that she's doing in
Speaker 1: this movie? Is it just like nonsense or is it
Speaker 1: like is it interesting to you? Or no?
Speaker 5: Look, if you look at if we go back to Jaws,
Speaker 5: the view of the shark, there was the fact that
Speaker 5: I forget the words, I forget the basically, they're just dumb.
Speaker 5: They're just dumb animals that eat and reproduce. That's obviously paraphrasing.
Speaker 5: We do know that shark's behavior is highly complex. There's
Speaker 5: also significant individual variation between sharks, including their behaviors. So
Speaker 5: there's a lot we don't know about sharks and how
Speaker 5: they process information and their motivations. But in terms of
Speaker 5: sort of the actual research and sort of curing ailments
Speaker 5: such as Alzheimer's, probably not. I don't think there's any
Speaker 5: sort of real merit in the real world in it.
Speaker 5: But I just thought it was a good I did
Speaker 5: think it was a good device. Is that he is
Speaker 5: suddenly trying to work on some It gave a dichotomy
Speaker 5: to her motivations. Here's somebody doing something that's unethical, but
Speaker 5: for ethical reasons.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the shark behavior in this scene that we're
Speaker 2: talking today, the shark goes to attack Carter with like
Speaker 2: a like a head on, like a head butt kind
Speaker 2: of attack under the water, and he manages to somehow
Speaker 2: dodge it. We don't, I don't know how. He just
Speaker 2: and then he grabs onto the fin and yes, goes
Speaker 2: on an underwater theme park ride around the facility. From
Speaker 2: the shark's perspective, Does that kind of make sense as
Speaker 2: an attack pattern?
Speaker 5: Well, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got cartered.
Speaker 5: Is that I picked up a couple of things from
Speaker 5: that scene. First, is it was Carter, wasn't it, Yes,
Speaker 5: Carl Blake. So Carter became vertical in the water, which
Speaker 5: is actually the method that is recommended if somebody has
Speaker 5: been approached by a shark, which of course is easier said,
Speaker 5: easier said than done, make yourself look bigger, which obviously
Speaker 5: didn't work. The other thing I picked up on was
Speaker 5: the sharks also fin. The trailing edge of it was serrated.
Speaker 5: In reality, it's not straight. It's generally a bit frayed,
Speaker 5: so it's not perfectly smooth and straight like the front edge.
Speaker 5: But I personally thought the straight at edge was a
Speaker 5: nice touch. If you're going to genetically manipulate the shark,
Speaker 5: give it something different. So it wasn't overt it was
Speaker 5: just a little tweak. Probably made the fin look more
Speaker 5: menacing than the maker finish in real life. The second
Speaker 5: one was HARKing back to the time the movie made.
Speaker 5: I got a very first person to shoot a doom
Speaker 5: feel as he's grasping the shark and it's flying through
Speaker 5: as it's flying through the water, So I thought that
Speaker 5: was a nice style of the times bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shark, if you knew it was safe, would you?
Speaker 2: Would you have you written the show?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wait, did you get what did you do? Want? Today?
Speaker 1: To get here? So you're recording? No is that like
Speaker 1: an uber.
Speaker 5: It's not, yeah, uber sharks maybe for the twenty thirty
Speaker 5: two Olympics. It's something that we can look at up
Speaker 5: and down the Brisbane River with the four hundred bull
Speaker 5: sharks that live in there. No, personally I prefer not
Speaker 5: to bother or touch the touch the sharks. But but
Speaker 5: obviously for a movie, I thought it was a nice
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting seeing I did really like
Speaker 5: that first shooter, first person shooter approach to navigating the
Speaker 5: underwater ruins.
Speaker 1: And they set it up earlier in the film too,
Speaker 1: when he raised a tiger shark with the Jods license plate,
Speaker 1: so you know that that he can ride the sharks.
Speaker 1: So I think that worked. No, it made sense because
Speaker 1: he had done it earlier. That kind of makes you.
Speaker 5: It does, And and I'm sure somebody has a license
Speaker 5: flight of that number of a real deep deep Blue
Speaker 5: Sea fans probably got that personalized number play.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we have bumper stickers so we have someone
Speaker 1: to Maria when you talk to her. But I have
Speaker 1: this on the back of my car. I'd rather be
Speaker 1: watching the nineteen ninety nine cinematic Blue Sea starring Llow
Speaker 1: Cool Jay and Samuel L. Jackson I need to send
Speaker 1: one to.
Speaker 2: My wifriend and we put on all comes.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's so we.
Speaker 1: Don't have license plates, but we have bumper stickers. So
Speaker 1: you know what I love. Sometimes I I'll look at
Speaker 1: my rear view mirror and someone will kind of be
Speaker 1: like squinting at the back of it. Or if I'll
Speaker 1: be walking through a parking lot, I'll see somebody looking
Speaker 1: at the back of it, going does that is that it?
Speaker 1: And then you're like, is that yours? Like I love it.
Speaker 1: So it's a fun little if you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, but yeah, sometimes I see people taking
Speaker 1: photos of it makes me happy because the movie rules.
Speaker 1: This movie's great. I think it is, yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: I also love to that everything's going wrong. Susan died.
Speaker 1: He's riding a shark, and then Preacher spears the shot.
Speaker 1: He also spears Carter like it's such a like there's
Speaker 1: little moments like that in this movie that make me
Speaker 1: really happy because like that, that's a I don't know
Speaker 1: why that was necessary just to stick them to the shark.
Speaker 1: So then it blows up later, but it's still a
Speaker 1: good little touch. I like that, did you you know?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you enjoyed that scene where you
Speaker 1: get speared Carter Blake.
Speaker 5: I thought it was good because because I thought it
Speaker 5: was good because it was unexpected. Yeah, because we're all
Speaker 5: whiting for the hero shot.
Speaker 1: There's a literal hero shot in this one.
Speaker 5: There is there was a here I shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, It's That's why I love this movie. It's
Speaker 1: filled so many little things and also too, I like
Speaker 1: that there really is no evil corporation, like I love
Speaker 1: the Alien franchise, but whalen you Tani, Like they just
Speaker 1: make there just like yeah, get get us a xenomorph
Speaker 1: and they mess everything up. So I kind of like
Speaker 1: that that Russell Franklin showed up just to kind of
Speaker 1: justify albly see what was going on with this investment.
Speaker 1: He made like he's not there to shut it down
Speaker 1: or do any of this. He's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys let a shark out and almost killed some people,
Speaker 1: and I should probably look into this. So I like
Speaker 1: that that the movie's devoid of that unnecessary drama, like it's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of nice looking back when he appears,
Speaker 6: at least in my mind, it was like, oh, this
Speaker 6: could just be the tyial Corporation from Blade Runner, but no,
Speaker 6: when a different when a different direction.
Speaker 1: And especially oh Jay, why I forget his name, but
Speaker 1: he has no lines.
Speaker 2: In this movie next to Samuel Ronnie Cox.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Running you have Ronnie Cox from Bubble Coop, like
Speaker 1: the ultimate evil corporation movie, and he I guess I
Speaker 1: think it doesn't get any lines because they get they
Speaker 1: went to Sam Jackson and he doesn't cause any evil
Speaker 1: corporation troubles. It's like that's another subversion of the trend,
Speaker 1: which makes me happy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sit there wanting for him to talk or
Speaker 5: whiting for him. He just sits there.
Speaker 1: So our theory, Our theory is he was cast to
Speaker 1: be like a billionaire, but then Sam Jackson didn't want
Speaker 1: the role. He was given something. Rennie quickly rewrote it
Speaker 1: and they had already hired Ronnie Cox, and then they
Speaker 1: just gave all of his lines to Sam Jackson.
Speaker 2: He would have had a contract, he would still got paid. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he goes.
Speaker 1: Ronnie got his money.
Speaker 5: But yeah, unless there was a bonus for the number
Speaker 5: of lines, of which case he would have lucked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks grumpy the whole time. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was acting. I think Ronnie was.
Speaker 5: I think you're right that as well. It's just geez,
Speaker 5: that guy's angry.
Speaker 1: Ronnie was pissed and he didn't even want to even
Speaker 1: like pretend to not show it. So he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go play golf after that. You know, Sam Jackson
Speaker 1: took the role because he thought he was gonna golf
Speaker 1: for most of the movie. There's scenes in the lab
Speaker 1: where you see everybody else because he backs out of
Speaker 1: the frame, and then he's not in it for a
Speaker 1: while because he went golfing.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: And there's a commentary with him and Rennie Harden where
Speaker 2: when his character dies, he then leaves the commentary to
Speaker 2: go and play golf. He just he checks out. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't enit anymore.
Speaker 1: He does the commentary until he dies. Is come out
Speaker 1: and it's fun of Michael Rappaport.
Speaker 5: Then he leaves and obviously the movie was a step
Speaker 5: up for him after POLP fiction.
Speaker 1: So job. Yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: His career, he's never reached those heights again.
Speaker 1: He should have won to ask her for this one,
Speaker 1: you know exactly. That's one of the funniest If I
Speaker 1: ever interview him, I'll be like so the peak of
Speaker 1: your career Deep Blue Sea and then you know, how
Speaker 1: are things ever better than that? So you had a
Speaker 1: good time, you know. And he was in Phantom Menace
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 5: It was And in Australia, Australians often joke about the
Speaker 5: peak of Nicole Kidman's career, which is a movie called
Speaker 5: BMX Bandits when she when she shot enough nine eight seven,
Speaker 5: which is about a group of kids chasing baddies on
Speaker 5: BMX blokes something she's never lived down. So but yeah, look,
Speaker 5: Samuel Jackson, it's obviously not pulp fiction. He just got
Speaker 5: lucky there with an Oscar's.
Speaker 1: Right, She's so Nicole Kimmens has been chasing that high
Speaker 1: ever since BMX Bandits.
Speaker 2: Absolutely he almost reached it with Paddington almost, but's not
Speaker 2: not almost.
Speaker 1: Wait that was the first she was in Paddington right. Oh,
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant was in Paddington too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she chunts the stuff the world needs more BMX.
Speaker 1: I miss eighties nineties movies where Airborne they're like skating
Speaker 1: down hills in Cincinnati. There's that one with Josh Brolin
Speaker 1: where they're skateboarding, and then BMX band And there's a
Speaker 1: movie called rad I missed that era. Bring it backing.
Speaker 2: In Charlie's Angels two, I want to say, in full throttle,
Speaker 2: there's like a BMX scene.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's it's an Olympic sport now, so it's
Speaker 5: so it's big business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole Kimmen should hand out the medals. That'd be amazing.
Speaker 5: I think twenty thirty two Olympics in Australia. He's a chance.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, how do we get this going's let's talk
Speaker 1: to her about she hasn't been in a shark movie yet.
Speaker 1: She was in Dead Calm. That was about it.
Speaker 2: I haven't come with that yet.
Speaker 1: A lot of water in that.
Speaker 5: What Actually we actually needed a searchable database where all
Speaker 5: the actors and actresses that have been in shark movies
Speaker 5: are listed, so we sort of keep it tally. It's
Speaker 5: the missing bit because I think if you ask the
Speaker 5: average person Samuel L. Jackson ever been in a shark movie,
Speaker 5: the answer would be, oh no, but and lots of
Speaker 5: others as well.
Speaker 1: So how do we categorize? So like in East Ventura
Speaker 1: he gets bit by a great white do we count that?
Speaker 1: Does that?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: It? Is that not a shark movie?
Speaker 5: It's sort of a cameo shark. I think. So, the
Speaker 5: sharks are there, but it's sort of not the it's
Speaker 5: not the central.
Speaker 1: Plots like a central protagonist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a movie with a shark rather than a
Speaker 2: shark movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the Yeah, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: But like an Anchorman too. Will Ferrell fights a shark
Speaker 1: and a's van Sura. He gets attacked by a shark
Speaker 1: and then the second one he beats up a crocodile.
Speaker 1: Happy Gyelmore fights an alley. Like comedians in the nineties
Speaker 1: and two thousands just wanted to beat up sharks or crocodiles. Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the the animal punching genre.
Speaker 2: Nicole Kippen, sorry Kibben, has been in a film with
Speaker 2: a shark, and that film is Aquaman.
Speaker 5: Course that's rat.
Speaker 1: And it so that that movie goes two out of
Speaker 1: three on the Hoffmeyer scale. So a movie is great
Speaker 1: if it features three things a catapult, a jet ski,
Speaker 1: action scene, c beasts, and Acaman features two of those.
Speaker 1: And there's only two movies that feature all three, and
Speaker 1: that's water World and The Mermaid, which is a really
Speaker 1: good huh Chinese rom com with a mermaid. In it.
Speaker 2: Does Aquaman get like a half point on the hoff
Speaker 2: My scale for dope lungern being in it up with something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he rides you know, he doesn't ride a
Speaker 1: jets key. He just rides a sea horse. Which but
Speaker 1: he's in it. Just saying that Dolph London rides a
Speaker 1: sea horse in a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Something looks like a predator. She looks like a yauja
Speaker 1: in that movie. You know what, I'm gonna give it
Speaker 1: two point five, Okay, the three I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Is there is there a scale of greatness for you
Speaker 1: in shark movies? Is there something you love in shark films?
Speaker 5: Not non expecific. I haven't got down in that qualification.
Speaker 5: I haven't got down to some objective criteria yet as
Speaker 5: you have. But look at something I could work on,
Speaker 5: put it in the book. Put it in the book,
Speaker 5: five point scale writings.
Speaker 2: I'm excited not the little research to what is the
Speaker 2: most shark movie doing like shark screen time, how many
Speaker 2: sharks are in a time between kills? And you know,
Speaker 2: Deep Bluz comes out as the film that is the
Speaker 2: most shark film.
Speaker 1: So it's not the best, but it's the most, which
Speaker 1: is fair. Yeah, question for it. Do you like the
Speaker 1: mag not really good?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't even set up that answer. I'm just
Speaker 5: not fussed about. Look, I'm just not fussed about the
Speaker 5: whole the use of Megalodon. Yes, it existed, it was
Speaker 5: a big shark. I'm frustrated with with the people who
Speaker 5: really do seem to believe that it still exists at
Speaker 5: the bottom of the Marianna's trench, given it was a
Speaker 5: coastal species, and given like a lot of giant things,
Speaker 5: it needs a highly productive environment, which the deep sea
Speaker 5: is not. So it's it's sort of, yeah, look, there's
Speaker 5: enough fun living living sharks to to hang your hat on,
Speaker 5: to hang the plot on. You don't sort of, in
Speaker 5: my mind, you don't sort of need to resumeurect extinct
Speaker 5: things and pretend they're not extinct.
Speaker 1: I agree. You know a movie I want Jay Can.
Speaker 1: I tell you what I came. I just came with
Speaker 1: an idea, I want Jay Can. I all right, so
Speaker 1: instead of forty seven meters down, like maybe two thousand
Speaker 1: meters down where submarine gets stuck and those giant like
Speaker 1: surface to like there's a blue planet where this whale
Speaker 1: fall comes down in these massive sixteen feet sharks twenty feet,
Speaker 1: you know, like five meters six meters seven meters sharks
Speaker 1: just start tearing at the whale carcass. That'd be interesting
Speaker 1: if you have them stuck in a submarine trying to
Speaker 1: get back up and those things are coming around the submarine.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but those things scared the heck
Speaker 1: out of me. I don't know if you remembered that
Speaker 1: from Blue Planet. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: Forty, which could be cross. Would sharks guard at the galaxy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no dolphins, no dolphins, no dolphins.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I must admit that the gag on that one
Speaker 5: is probably pretty thin, so it would be a one gag,
Speaker 5: a one gag movie.
Speaker 1: Man. I I love those giants. Let me find the
Speaker 1: name of what they are. Six gill sharks, Yes, I
Speaker 1: love those things. I think that's my favorite sharks.
Speaker 2: One gill too many, surely.
Speaker 1: I think those are my favorites. They're just really interesting sharks.
Speaker 2: I love goblin sharks in my favorite I think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't see enough of goblin sharks and films just because
Speaker 2: they look so weird.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 5: I like thet I like the little Port Jackson shark,
Speaker 5: which is where the mother lies an em in a
Speaker 5: little egg case and then takes off and it's a
Speaker 5: dad sharks job. Talk after the egg and the dad
Speaker 5: sharks got to put the egg in its mouth, move
Speaker 5: it around, sit there looking at it, make sure nothing
Speaker 5: eats it. And that's what it does. And it has
Speaker 5: no teeth.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. So the dad just looked after, hangs out, watches
Speaker 1: the eggs.
Speaker 2: Penguins, yes, Ole Kevinson happy feet as well, that's that's
Speaker 2: I don't think they're sharks are happy. But there's a whale.
Speaker 1: Someone needs. Someone needs to put a camera down there
Speaker 1: so we can watch that. So I have a bird
Speaker 1: feeder and we have a camera in it and every
Speaker 1: year birds lay eggs and then I just we get
Speaker 1: to watch it and like see the eggs grow and everything,
Speaker 1: and I kind of love it. So I want to
Speaker 1: watch this this sharks thing underwater, I think because people
Speaker 1: do like eagle eggs and stuff like that, that'd be
Speaker 1: fun to do shark eggs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a bit, so that the egg does get moved around,
Speaker 5: so it makes a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It would be in frame for like
Speaker 1: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it a little bit earlier, but
Speaker 2: we need to know what are your top four shark movies.
Speaker 5: The fourth one is very is called Shark just playing Shark.
Speaker 5: It's a It's a fourteen minute short film. What I
Speaker 5: like about it, it's sort of in a way is
Speaker 5: paying homage to in fourteen minutes is paying homage to
Speaker 5: the to the traditional B movie of being the second
Speaker 5: part of a double feature. It features Rose Byrne, who's
Speaker 5: obviously now Golden Globe a global sorry Golden Globe winner.
Speaker 5: Very simple plot, but it sort of picks up most
Speaker 5: of the elements of a sharp movie in fourteen minutes.
Speaker 5: It has some laconic Australian humor in it, most notably
Speaker 5: when they're all going for a snorkloud on presumably the
Speaker 5: Great Barrier Reef. There's the skipper does his safety talk,
Speaker 5: which is completely which is complete waste of time. So
Speaker 5: if somebody is in somebody's in strife, had to practice
Speaker 5: putting out their hand and yelling help. And when there's
Speaker 5: a real catastrophe happens, he's obviously asleep and has no
Speaker 5: idea what's gonna what's gonna happen. So it's a very
Speaker 5: simple movie, and that's obviously what it's designed to do.
Speaker 5: But it just encapsulates the genre. Well, the victim.
Speaker 1: In a shark Yeah, we got to add twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just it's in twenty twenty one. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been added to the Yes.
Speaker 1: And I like the square. Nash Eddriton has done some
Speaker 1: good movies. He also did Spider and Bear.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think he's collecting the animals, and there's there's
Speaker 5: one shark victim, but the Nash character is left floating
Speaker 5: around with a shark fin on his back because he
Speaker 5: bought a shape a fake shark fin on the boat
Speaker 5: to terrorize the tourists, and it's his partner that gets
Speaker 5: bitten by an actual shark. So I like that Jaws
Speaker 5: just just because of its og because of its og value.
Speaker 5: It's two shark movies. What Star Wars New Hope was
Speaker 5: to science fiction Deep Blue Sea and then obviously untitled
Speaker 5: Shark movie, which I'm contractually obliged to say is my
Speaker 5: number one movie despite it not being shot yet.
Speaker 1: Number ones again was Jost like Max Bandits was to
Speaker 1: be a Max movie.
Speaker 5: I think it's probably close. I think it's probably close
Speaker 5: to it. There's probably been a lot less written in
Speaker 5: the academic literature about VMX bandits. But but look, I'm
Speaker 5: sure the literature will catch up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'll get there. Yeah, we're just one like
Speaker 1: specialty of release away of it. But yeah, so Jay,
Speaker 1: you're you're sorry the untitled Shark movie. Does there a
Speaker 1: date on that? You know? Any movement?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: In all serious is no. So it's got some funding
Speaker 5: from Screen Queensland, it's got his lead, it's got its
Speaker 5: lead actress, Timmy Suka Koshi from Great White, So somebody
Speaker 5: who's experienced in sharp movies. So that's good. And obviously
Speaker 5: Marie Lewis's producer, she really is passionate about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it will happen. We we're big supporters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't wait. That sounds great, Oh, Jason, So
Speaker 2: did you have any of any other thoughts, Darrel, about
Speaker 2: Deep Blue Sea or the chapter we're talking about, or
Speaker 2: the film as a whole m.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I just thought that chapter, Chapter thirty one,
Speaker 5: it'd had that nice bit of a recap here sort
Speaker 5: of that nice vision of the shark's jaws protruding forward,
Speaker 5: the rolling eyes going vertical in the water, that the
Speaker 5: nice touch genetically modified touch of a serrated trailing fin
Speaker 5: rather than slightly frayed, so it's made it nice and geometric,
Speaker 5: but without it being the focus, so it's not too
Speaker 5: ridiculous proportions. I just thought it was a nice, a
Speaker 5: nice subtle touch, which without making it a parody. So again,
Speaker 5: if this was a B movie, it probably looked like
Speaker 5: some sort of some sort of band saw rather than
Speaker 5: that nice subtle touch. And I just liked that sort
Speaker 5: of doom swim through first person shooter swim through.
Speaker 1: So to speak.
Speaker 5: And the other thing I did likes card is exaggerated
Speaker 5: hair swell as well. So really focus on, I'm being
Speaker 5: dragged through the water by by a shark. How's my
Speaker 5: hair gonna get out of my eyes for the shot?
Speaker 1: So when does he do that? When he's riding he
Speaker 1: pushes it out of his hair.
Speaker 5: He does his big exagerated hey hair commercial hair swell.
Speaker 2: So ah, he does that when they surface, when they
Speaker 2: first like get out of Aguatica and the surfaces, he
Speaker 2: does like a big come up to the surface shampoo
Speaker 2: advert kind of hair toss then as well. Yeah, yes, so.
Speaker 1: I never noticed that, and I never knew that a
Speaker 1: mako shark was on the Jaws poster. So you you
Speaker 1: drop some awesome and Rose Burn's in a Shark movie.
Speaker 1: You've you went three for three on the half myre
Speaker 1: scale to learn that's awesome, Like, yeah, I got I
Speaker 1: get to watch out for that now and I get
Speaker 1: to watch rose Burn and a thing called Shark very excited.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's short, but you're just like, how much
Speaker 5: how much sort of sharp movie stuff was packed into
Speaker 5: forteen minutes without without it being, without it attempting to
Speaker 5: or sort of overtly attempting to. I just thought it
Speaker 5: was a nice and I would say novel, but just
Speaker 5: a nice twist to a nice addition to the genre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's good around water. That her the movie If
Speaker 1: I Have Legs, They kick you. Her house gets in
Speaker 1: trouble with water damage, she gets hit by waves, and
Speaker 1: that movie Spy she gets told she was so yeah
Speaker 1: rules there is and look.
Speaker 5: I first saw her as a as a an actress
Speaker 5: in a movie called Two Hands, which is an Australian
Speaker 5: Australian movie. Also it was Heath Ledgers big sort of
Speaker 5: breakout role. So she just played a really natural, a
Speaker 5: really natural person, which just came across so well that's
Speaker 5: a movie in many Australians love.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, so I'll check that out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: no Sharks in Troy either, which is a bummer. All right,
Speaker 1: this is on Amazon, so now I'll watch that too. Yes, awesome. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. This was awesome.
Speaker 2: Any of your books you want to plug or anything
Speaker 2: else you want to promote.
Speaker 5: The book would be called Sharks Sharks down Under. So,
Speaker 5: as I've sort of alluded to, it's got an analysis
Speaker 5: of sharks and movies, sharks in the media. It's got
Speaker 5: some more serious, serious sciencey stuff, so the evolution of sharks,
Speaker 5: a diversity of sharks, a lot of focus on the
Speaker 5: biology and ecology of whites, bulls and tigers. Then a
Speaker 5: fairly in depth discussion of the trend of unproduked shark
Speaker 5: bites in Australia, and then a large couple of chapters
Speaker 5: on what we can do in terms of mitigating the
Speaker 5: risk of a bite. So don't have a publication day
Speaker 5: for that, but probably like twenty twenty six, early twenty
Speaker 5: twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Nice. Well, if you want to come back, we can
Speaker 1: help you promote it on the show.
Speaker 5: I'd love that.
Speaker 2: Awesome fantastic marketing plugs.
Speaker 1: Just listen to the movies on the flicks.
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Speaker 2: Harden's new shark movie might be coming out next week.
Speaker 2: It's it's got a US release date, hasn't got a
Speaker 2: UK one yet, so maybe we'll be talking about Deepwater
Speaker 2: next week. If not, it'll be another Australian film. It'll
Speaker 2: be Rogue for the Crocodile film from two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: which spoiler I really enjoyed, I loved wrote quite a bit,
Speaker 2: So come back next week for either Deepwater or Rogue,
Speaker 2: but for Deep c one chapter thirty one dive. To
Speaker 2: thank you once again to our wonderful guest doctor Darren McPhee.
Speaker 2: I have been Jake Lewett, Markafmeyer and we'll deep Blue
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