WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.640 Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the podcast. I 2 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:21.160 am Mark Shark writer Hofmeyer, and I am Jay. 3 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.120 This is Bess Clerks. Welcome to your board. Deeply see 4 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:25.800 the podcast. On this show, we've been through the entire 5 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.120 Deep Blue Sea traergy scene by scene we're doing again. 6 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.079 We've already won for guests and this is Deep c one, 7 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.479 chapter thirty one. What happens in chapter thirty one, Let's 8 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:35.359 have a listen. 9 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:38.560 Howter tries to climb out of the water. He's in 10 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:45.640 the wholesome of fallen latter runs. The shark nears, so 11 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:47.799 he gives up and swims down. Opting is said to 12 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:51.000 wrangle the shark it sends his teeth in a terrifying manner. 13 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:57.880 How to grab the sharks fin and rise it to 14 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:04.879 the surface. Meanwhile, Preacher is alive and climb out of 15 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.200 the tower with the hopoon gun as the whole audience cheers. 16 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:13.799 Carda takes a deep breath as the sharks emerges again, 17 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:25.000 dragging him along. Richard painfully stands his feet on top 18 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.480 of the tower as a shark takes Carter on an 19 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:38.640 underwater tour through the struts and bowels of Aquatico. Preacher 20 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:44.439 raised the gun. As the shark surfaces with Carter still 21 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.680 clinging on, Preacher takes aim. 22 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.799 All right, lord dune it breage, this is the scar 23 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:52.079 shoot it. 24 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.000 He fires the bolt, whizzing through the air, go through 25 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.359 the shark's fin and Carter's thigh. 26 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:11.280 Ah wow, wod preach low it the battery it. 27 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:14.199 The gun is wrenched from Preacher's hand as Carter struggles 28 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.919 to extricate himself from the bolt it. Carter is dragged 29 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.400 back underwater as Preacher picks at the table end and 30 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:21.520 considers his choices. 31 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.000 So that was DEPC one, Chapter toty one. We have 32 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.080 a wonderful guest, johnn Yesterday. He becomes highly recommended from 33 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.080 our former guest Maria Lewis, who is directing an upcoming 34 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.599 film called untitled Shark movie that we cannot wait to see, 35 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.479 and he's actually in it and provided some shark expertise 36 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.639 for the production of it. We're looking forward to him, 37 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.439 he says. It's doctor Darren McPhee. Darrel, welcome to the show. 38 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:46.319 Thank you for having me. 39 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.280 Thrilled to have you here. We love having shark experts 40 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.840 on the show because this is a shark movie and 41 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:55.479 Mark and I just kind of like sharks. But we 42 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.159 like to talk to people who like form even more 43 00:02:58.199 --> 00:02:59.520 than we do, and you. 44 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.560 Stay busy out there. I've been reading your article or articles. 45 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.080 It seems like every time something happens in Australia or beyond, 46 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.000 you get a call. So I've been reading a lot 47 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.759 of your interviews about like repopped, like moving away tiger sharks, 48 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:14.479 but then they just come back months later, and like, 49 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.439 I've learned a lot about the shark ecosystem in Australia 50 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.319 today reading your your interviews and articles. So I appreciate that. 51 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.479 Go thank you. Yes, it's certainly. I certainly do a 52 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.879 lot of media. Some of the media you'll see sort 53 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.680 of quite fun. It's designed that way, so more lighthearted 54 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:37.479 and more infotainment. But obviously it's very different when I'm 55 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.879 talking directly about an actual serious Bindo fatality. So you'll 56 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.439 see that very deliberate and legitimate change in time from 57 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.360 discussions and those sorts of discussions at the time, we 58 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.319 are very difficult, it's very heightened stress, and my focus 59 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.120 is always on the victim, the first responders in their family. 60 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.479 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, So I have a question, what's your 61 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:03.639 what Sorry to jump in this, But what's your history 62 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:05.400 of Deep Blue Sea? By the way, Like, this is 63 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.280 a random show for you to be on, but I 64 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.080 just want to know if you love it, right, this 65 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:13.879 is your second favorite shark film behind Jaws? Correct, it is. 66 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.680 It's the second My second favorite shark film behind Untied 67 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:23.079 Shark movie hasn't been shot yet. I think I'm contractually 68 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.800 obliged to say that. But no, Look, I'm I've got 69 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:29.759 my next book coming out of Sharks down Under. So 70 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.600 in that book, I've sort of have a whole section 71 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:34.399 of sharks in the media, which is now sort of 72 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:36.319 more sharks in movies. So it's a bit of a 73 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.399 content analysis there. So whilst I white claim to have 74 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.680 watched the about one hundred and nine shark movies, is 75 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.639 obviously a couple that are that are standing out. It's 76 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:51.800 Jaws is obviously the og, but obviously Deep Blue Sea 77 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.279 given the caliber of actors and actresses that were in 78 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.040 it and so more attention to detail, it was a 79 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.600 movie that clearly try to elevate itself and succeededstrom above 80 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.639 that b level to something that was there was a 81 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:09.319 little bit more. 82 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.439 Substantive, and I love all movies do that this could 83 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.759 have been a B level film, but they threw seventy 84 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.319 million dollars at it. There's some very good set pieces, 85 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.199 and the sharks by Walt Conti, looked great. I think 86 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.240 the makos look gorgeous. I mean I've watched the videos 87 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.399 and the like, you know, marine biologists, people like shark experts. 88 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.079 They say that the animatronics, not the VFX, look gorgeously 89 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.279 kind of like makos that have been genetically modified. And 90 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.759 that makes me happy about this movie, like they actually 91 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.319 did it right ish. 92 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.000 Yeah. Look, I think we should never expect them to 93 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.800 be one hundred percent accurate, but it certainly didn't look 94 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.439 like a Maco Sharks, didn't look like a parody of 95 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.920 a Maco Shark. They looked pretty good. And particularly since 96 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:51.519 it's we're not talking about a movie that was shot 97 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.480 this year or last year, it's got a bit of uh, 98 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.000 it's a while ago, so for its time, it's excellent. 99 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:00.000 Yeah, I love it. 100 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.160 The chapter to about Today has my favorite bit with 101 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.680 the sharks in it, which is when the teeth kind 102 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.279 of come out a bit more. I'm not sure what 103 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.000 the term is for it, but as it's kind of 104 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.160 like about to bite, about to attack car to the 105 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.839 teeth just kind of come out more. I haven't seen 106 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.279 that in any other film, and that's always like a 107 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:23.000 visual that's stuck in my head as like being that 108 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:29.560 shot from this this this scene. Is that accurate? Does 109 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.279 that happen with with with Mako sharks or sharks in general? 110 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:34.879 Do the teeth extend when required? 111 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:43.199 It does? Hey, so, and it's believed to be. Yeah, 112 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.639 look at it. It's great. And that obviously struck me 113 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.680 cinematically as well, thinking geez, that's a good shot, and hey, 114 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:53.040 they've got that right. So it does. And there's several different, 115 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.879 several different explanations for that. One is and it pushes 116 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.480 the sharks jewels closer to its price, sort of an 117 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.680 extra second the bit that and I've slowed down that 118 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.720 bit and watched it several times and it's hinted at 119 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:10.519 but it's not clear, and that's fine. Is that the 120 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:16.000 other part of that binding reaction is that the the 121 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.040 shark's eyes roll back and that happens naturally, and it 122 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:23.160 is just hinted in that scene as well fleetingly. So 123 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.920 that's an adaptation to protect the shark's eyes when it's 124 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.040 going in to bite something. 125 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.000 We talked about that briefly on our previous chapter, because 126 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.720 as the shark kind of smells or senses the blood 127 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.800 in the water from when Susan cuts her hand, you 128 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.040 see the shark's eyes go from white to black and 129 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.120 then just about to attack Susan and they go back 130 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.120 here from black to white again. So I'm guess I'm 131 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.319 assuming that's also accurate when it senses the blood go black. 132 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.519 It is. And look, in terms of the Maco Shark, 133 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:56.480 it was just good to see the Maco Shark get 134 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.680 its day in the sun. That given that it's on 135 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.000 the Jaws poster, but it wasn't even credited. 136 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.399 Oh wait, that was a there's a maker in the Jaws. 137 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:08.680 That was a makeup on the Jaws poster. 138 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:10.879 The poster is in Mico Shark. 139 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.279 Yeah wait, well you're. 140 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.959 Obviously that's ally at the time determined that. 141 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:20.360 Yeah. 142 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.560 Look, Hollywood at the time must have determined, as Hollywood 143 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.800 did did they wanted something more slender than the slightly 144 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.800 rotund front end of a white shark, so they shoved 145 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:32.639 in a Mico shark. 146 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:33.399 That's amazing. 147 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.120 Yeah, We've been doing this podcast since twenty twenty and 148 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.200 I never knew that. And I do a lot of research. 149 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:42.320 I'm a researcher. I've never I never realized that you 150 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:44.600 just made my night and you made Jay's morning and 151 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:48.320 then you're more. That's amazing. That makes me so happy. 152 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.440 Like all I asked for movies is for them to try. 153 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.399 Like you know, I played tennis for years and I 154 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.480 would watch movies about tennis, and the tennis was horrifying 155 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.600 and it just really depressed me. Or I worked on 156 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.720 a lot of film sets, and you know, movies about 157 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.919 making movies, they're just so bad. Sometimes they don't try, 158 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.080 and I get frustrated by that. So it's kind of 159 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.279 nice when you see something and people are like, obviously, 160 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.919 you can't show a real movie being made in a 161 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.919 movie because you got to have some entertainment value because 162 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.360 it's mainly just people in like cargo shorts yelling at 163 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.919 each other. Like it's not exciting at all, but it's 164 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.519 it's nice when you see like something on screen where 165 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.039 people actually tried or they did something smart. So it's 166 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.480 kind of neat that they had the eyes roll back 167 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.120 and the teeth come out. That that makes me happy 168 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:30.639 like this, you know, I think a lot of movies 169 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.360 don't try that, and at least this one did. 170 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.480 I do, and I'm trying. And it's not a criticism 171 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.440 all because it's done in all movies. Is it something 172 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.960 that if I was giving advice ter make it even 173 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:47.399 more realistic? The sharp PI point of view shots, the 174 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.000 po view shots. It's in standard color. I've sort of 175 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:52.919 tweaked into shark vision, which would be more of a 176 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.159 high black and white highlight contrast. So I've always thought 177 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.960 that would have been visually a nice visual addition to 178 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:04.600 sort of drawing the drawing the viewer's attention. Again, Also, 179 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.399 it's black and white. What's happened? Oh that's how sharks 180 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:08.039 see things. 181 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.639 We're talking about the Anaconda franchise on this show as 182 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.720 well sometimes and a recent one had like a snake 183 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.120 vision where everything was yellow down the center of the screen. 184 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:23.279 So I don't know, I just how we need to 185 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.519 get a herpatologist on for that. I guess I don't 186 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:26.240 know how accurate that is. 187 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.279 But yeah, yeah, I don't do snakes, so so I 188 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.200 won't comment on snake vision. It's not my thing. 189 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.120 No worries note to sell. Yeah, I won't call you 190 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.919 about that. I'm an entomologist friend. But I don't have 191 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.360 a herpetologist friend. We need to, we need to, we 192 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:41.440 need to find somebody. Jay. 193 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.399 Yeah, I've got a bug guy as well. You've got 194 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.360 to have a bug guy in your life. You've got 195 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.639 to have something. You find a random bug center, a picture, Hey, 196 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:48.919 what's this? 197 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.799 They help on we talk about Starship Troopers for sure. 198 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.840 I was a guest on King Kong. Talk about the 199 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.360 bug scene. I send him like, hey, Pool, are these accurate? 200 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.080 And he's like, no, that's a horrifying scene right there. 201 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.159 Have you seen the King Kong scene, doctor Darryl? 202 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:04.960 I haven't. 203 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:05.240 No. 204 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.879 Jackson's two thousand and five King Kong remake. It's one 205 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:10.879 of my favorite films. 206 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.679 It's horrifying because you're like, I'm watching King Kong, this 207 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.960 is great. And then there's this nightmare scene in a 208 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.000 in a cavern with these bugs attack and Andy, I 209 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.320 won't say anything, but it gets it gets pretty gnarly, 210 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.639 So I like it. I like that a lot. Real quick, 211 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.279 what do you think about the the there's some good 212 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.000 shark movies coming out of Australia last year with dangerious 213 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.679 animals and a beast of war and what was the 214 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.679 other one Jay with the truck below Fear below. Did 215 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.679 Were you able to watch any of those or did you? 216 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.600 I haven't the first The first two are on my 217 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.399 list because I've sort of in my book, I've sort 218 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.600 of discussed the shark movies made and shot in Australia 219 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.440 and where they've been shot. So the other two I 220 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.840 need to first two in particular, I need to go 221 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:58.440 and sort of a have a look. 222 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.799 At got It. Yeah, it's interesting, Beat as well. Yeah, 223 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.279 Pete's good. Yeah, Beat Beat three D. The all the 224 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.879 filmmakers though, they basically said they wanted to make a movie, 225 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:08.799 and the producers just told them, like, listen, just make 226 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.879 a shark movie, put a shark in it. And then 227 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.799 they were able to kind of get projects off the ground. 228 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.320 So it's kind of interesting in this climate where you know, 229 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.000 you toss a shark in it, it's a lot easier 230 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.600 to get funding. They're kind of just universally play across 231 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.840 the world, don't they. It is. 232 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:26.000 One of the first shark movies was Tiger Shark I 233 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.519 think it was in nineteen thirty two, which was a 234 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:33.639 romance drama, and the shark bit was that the the 235 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.039 Maya lead had his was a tuna fisherman who had 236 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:42.840 his hand bitten off by a shark. So so obviously, 237 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:44.960 if you're going to call it tiger shark, you're going 238 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.240 to call a movie tiger shark. These days, you want 239 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.320 more shark than they were able to put in the 240 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:53.200 movie in nineteen thirty two. Yeah, but yeah, So look, 241 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.320 there's a long cinematic history of sharks. It actually started 242 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.559 before Jaws. But as I said before, Sharks of the 243 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.440 Jaws is the og of shark movies. 244 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.120 Yeah, how has that worked against her for you? Like 245 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:08.519 for conservation? And I mean, you know, I guess I've 246 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.919 always loved shark movies that They've always been my thing. 247 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.440 But I've never been like, yeah, I'm gonna go kill 248 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.200 a shark because you know, Jaws is terrible. I'm like, 249 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.879 that's their turf. So I've never been like had that reaction. 250 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.360 But has it been like I would assume most people 251 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.440 watching movies don't take it too seriously this month like 252 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.080 that fear, but like, how has that herder help their 253 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:30.200 plate in the decades since Jaws? Oh? 254 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.720 Look, it's a it's a bit of a dilemma. I think, 255 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.960 certainly in the US after Jaws, Like in the immediate 256 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.879 aftermath of the release of the movie, there was certainly 257 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:44.360 a lot more active shark shark hunting, including to extract 258 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:46.399 the Jaws, then including for large sharks such as great 259 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.960 whites and make coast. Look, there's a diversity views in 260 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.480 the scientific community on them. My view is that shark 261 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.120 movies are not going to go away. 262 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:58.200 With an accounting on it. 263 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:04.279 Yes, yes, you are, so. Again, it comes down to 264 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.919 they're not set for I actually I'm actually was more 265 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.840 critical historically if the Discovery Channel for Discovery Channel marketing 266 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.440 fictional stories as documentaries, and there was a history of 267 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:17.879 them doing. 268 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.720 That, or the Mermaid one, Yeah, the. 269 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.919 Mermaid one, the Shark of Darkness is there is the 270 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.120 other one where there was a fictitious Meglodon that was 271 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.200 marketed as killing killing people off South Africa and those 272 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.240 bites didn't occur. I think that's actually a more concern 273 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:40.840 than obviously fictional stories deep Blue Sea, Sharknado, et cetera. So, 274 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.960 and look, most students are fascinated by sharks, and most 275 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.000 students come from a wide range of places. They're not 276 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.519 environmental science students. Mostly they're business students from from Boston. 277 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.440 They're all sorts of students from Norway, Sweden, and I 278 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.279 asked about why what this fascination is with sharks, and 279 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.039 we're just I just love them, we love watching them 280 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:03.480 in movies, we feed them, and we want to know 281 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.440 more about them. So there's two sides to that coin. So, 282 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.759 and I haven't known anybody in a contemporary sense. Suddenly 283 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.120 the young people that's watched a shot movie and then 284 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.960 thinks I bet a gout and kill all the shops. Yeah, 285 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.360 I'm saying to be a seventies thing rather than a 286 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:21.279 twenty twenties thing. 287 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.799 Got it? Yeah, you know one interesting thing. And you're 288 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.960 right about the like movies portraying themselves real. And in 289 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.960 twenty ten, when I was working on my masters it's 290 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.519 in media and communication studies, I did a thing about 291 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:36.360 shark finning and how just there's thousands upon thousands upon 292 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.480 thousands of articles about shark attacks, but then there were 293 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.080 very few about the finning of sharks, which is killaid millions. 294 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:44.879 And I don't want to get political or whatever, like 295 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.840 you know, talk about cultural reasons, but it's interesting how 296 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.240 you don't need you don't need like a fake a 297 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.759 shark movie portraying it as real, because there's already enough 298 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:55.639 out there about the shark attacks around the world because 299 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.399 people are fascinated by that. But I just thought that 300 00:15:58.399 --> 00:15:59.960 was kind of a bummer that, like millions of sharks 301 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.159 being killed, but then like we're talking like a thousand 302 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.159 times the amount or just about the attacks. So it's 303 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.240 just I don't know. Yeah, I guess you don't. You 304 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.480 don't need more of that out there. 305 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.440 Yeah, No, I think you're right. 306 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.519 Yeah, Hey, Jays, I think that's the first time I've 307 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:15.679 ever been one hundred percent right. 308 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.000 I like that, I think so, Yeah, we'll mark it 309 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:24.840 on the calendar. And so we had another shark expert 310 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:26.720 on recently and we asked him this question too. Is 311 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.480 there a shark your favorite shark that hasn't appeared in 312 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.000 films that you've seen yet? Do you have like a 313 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.960 shark you want to see get its its day in 314 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:36.360 the sun. 315 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.159 Absolutely, And that don't have to be a tiny shark, 316 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:42.559 the cookie cut of shark. 317 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.480 Yeah, he said the same one. 318 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.320 There we go, just because of all the of all 319 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:52.600 the diversity of sharks, we've got this little weirdo that 320 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.320 runs around with ridiculous teeth and just goes up to 321 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.679 a while or a dolphin and drills a hole in 322 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.960 it and takes a plug of flesh. 323 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.279 And wheel and a dolphin. 324 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.920 Yes, so there's yes. They attack pray much larger than 325 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:10.920 themselves and they just take a chunk out is his 326 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.519 nice circular ta literally is a cookie cutter and eats 327 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:19.359 it and swims off and hangs around for the next bite. 328 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:24.240 There's one shark bite. There's one. One actual shark bite 329 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:28.319 in Australia was from a cookie cutter shark in Townsville, 330 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.000 so in Queensland, so adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef. 331 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:35.160 It swam through a swimming enclosure and bit an eight 332 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:39.880 year old boy on the leg and took off. And 333 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.599 then there was an around the world sailor who was 334 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.519 sailing in his inflatable boat, had pretty much circumnavigated most 335 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:50.079 of the globe and as soon as he entered Australian waters, 336 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.480 the cookie cutter sharks drilled holes in his inflatable boat. 337 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:58.400 So that's just classic Australia. But look, I just think 338 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.279 if a cookie cutter shark didn't exist and it appeared 339 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.000 as a fictional shark in a movie, people would say, geez, 340 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.400 that's weird, but it actually exists. 341 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.720 And they should genetically modify it, make them eight feet 342 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.920 long and then a storm happens and they get let loose. 343 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.559 That seems to me. Yeah, that'd be close. Imagine that. 344 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.960 And I thought cookie cut a shark it coun drill 345 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:23.720 holes in anything. 346 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.839 But yeah, and also like evolutionary wise, it's smart that 347 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.599 they're small, right, because they can just do hidden runs 348 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.759 on larger things, Like it makes sense, like a mosquito. 349 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.279 They're so small they can just get on you and 350 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.480 get off. They're bigger, they could get most easier. Like, 351 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.480 that's pretty pretty good evolutionary trade of theirs, just to 352 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:40.279 get in and out right. 353 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.400 Absolutely, and from from a memory, that's sort of the 354 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.319 trade of salmon way for a mile seven. You either 355 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.680 need to be large or you need to be small. 356 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:57.759 Yeahs would go upstream, yes, and to reproduce to that 357 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:58.359 makes sense. 358 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.839 I mean that there is a that has cookie Cutt 359 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:02.880 of sharks in it, which is Shark Night three D 360 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.559 from twenty to eleven, which has like a bunch of 361 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.880 different sharks in it, which mark Mark Clakes far more 362 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:10.319 than I who. 363 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.039 Yeah, film it's like a bunch of spring breakers. Go 364 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:19.720 to a Louisiana somewhere in these black market guys like 365 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.240 they have sharks and they film people getting eat by 366 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.359 sharks and sell them on the black market. 367 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:31.160 And one of the yes, funny, funny, you mentioned spring breakers. 368 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.880 So my movie analysis suggests that the biggest risk of 369 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.880 someone being killed in a movie by a shark is 370 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.880 to be a college student, typically on spring break, to 371 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.799 be female, and to be wearing a two piece bikini, 372 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.720 not a one piece swimsuit. So that's that's the factors 373 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.359 which increases the risk in movies of somebody being killed 374 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:52.880 by a shark. 375 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.079 I'm just watching Mark's eyes go wide, because he loves 376 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.680 doing these stats I'm known. 377 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:58.920 For, like my d I figured out how far the 378 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.119 sharks swam and jaws avenge. I figured out how the 379 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:03.160 creature followed and it follows. I figure out how much 380 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.160 it was in the money stack at dark night. It's 381 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.319 like the data that you just dropped on me. I'm 382 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.960 both happy and jealous what you came up with. 383 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.519 It's just watching Mark's face was one. 384 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.359 It's like why I was like, this is amazing, But 385 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.759 why haven't I thought of that yet? I gotta see 386 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:21.839 these results when your book comes out, I'll buy it. 387 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.759 I'll be uh yeah, and look. 388 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.880 And and and we're introduced to the shark in Deep 389 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.519 Blue Sea early in the movie in a similar scenario 390 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.680 with the group on the boat when the wine spills 391 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:33.079 in the water. 392 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.640 Yeah, I one dice surve It's kind of crazy that 393 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.720 the shark lets them live, but the shark just wanted 394 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.799 to get caught. It was like a test because as 395 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:47.400 soon as Carter Blake shoots it with that trank, it 396 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:51.079 stops just dead still and the boat goes nowhere. So 397 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.680 I like smart sharks. 398 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.079 And it obviously didn't like the vintage of. 399 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:03.240 It's a cab guy cab so in like, you know, 400 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:06.400 what do you what are your favorite moments in Deep Lucy? 401 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:08.519