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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.
Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain
by non natural forces or by science, and Ireland is
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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era,
Mark Manning, Yes, it is Scary Era, but I don't
have any Irish material for the first bit of the show,
so as usual, the Irish look to the Scots for
a little digout och Denie so bolly scottwand's only a
don't stray away from the old thought anyway. But gentleman,
on the end of the line, can you say the
following word big Gora Gora?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who's an excellent one?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You are now officially Irish honorary, honorary until I say otherwise, Okay,
boys and gettles and feral animals because actually, funny enough
I use that word feral. This man is in a
feral part of the world, Scotland, but he also does
a very feral thing for a living, which is a comedian.
Hello Billy Kirkwood, Hello Mark You. It doesn't get more
feral than the bear pit, does it? When you're out there?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know's It might be one of the hardest,
roughest jobs out there in entertainment.
Speaker 2: By it's the best job I've ever had, the best
job I've ever had.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I did a little bit of it
myself when I came runner up to Paddy Kilty who
now presents the Late Late Show in the Bulmers. So
you think you're funny nineteen ninety he too. Whatever he
used to run out on he did some mad stuff
in the nineties. He'd run out on stage with a
balaklava on his head and he'd start pointing the microphone
at people. And this was no I better not say it.
But if you know Paddy Kilty, you know his history.
It wasn't too long after a major event. Maybe it
was some form of trauma. I think he was reliving,
but he was very he was hysterical and he was
hugely confident.
Speaker 2: Patty's fantastic. Paddy's absolutely fantastic. I love I love what
he's done with the Late Show over in Ireland.
Speaker 1: Well, sure everyone has an opinion, don't they.
Speaker 2: Well, there is, there is.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's not the Late Late Show
anymore as I know it. It's late late light.
Speaker 2: Yes, well I've got it.
Speaker 4: If I were to give a shout out to anyone
I happened to be a really good mates with these
warm up act that does the studio a big shout
out to Tomahoney over there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good luck, good well done getting that gig, Tom.
That's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: How do you handle that heckling?
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
Speaker 4: I don't tend to get heckled bea cause I'd probably
argue I'm a bit of an energetic, larger than life
persona on stage, I would probably say, And people that
do tend to heckle me don't do it again. So
that tends to be I don't tend to do too
bad with heckling. But do you know something, my ethoughs
is kind of this.
Speaker 2: We're all here to have a good time.
Speaker 4: We're all heartbeats beating together and having a good So
that's not the vibe I tend to bring.
Speaker 2: But you know, it can be a very hard job,
but it's very, very rewarding.
Speaker 1: Heckle me and say say something really bad about me
and my podcast. Don't worry, I've got broad shoulders. Go on,
go on, say something nasty.
Speaker 2: A fucking burg get off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, when you stand against that wall, it's plastered too.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: That was my standard reposit.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it, but unfortunately it was the only one
in my arsenal. So if anyone went beyond that, which
they often did, was like a retreat into my Heidi
hole here until the nasty person has taken off by
security or whatever. Now I have this image of Scotland
as red haired men whose breath smells of whiskey, who
do dancing across crossed swords, chopping their toenails. Have you
tossed your caper this morning?
Speaker 4: I usually toss my cayboard pretty much as soon as
everyone's away to skill and work.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get I get my keyboard tossed.
Speaker 1: I heard you have quite a big caper.
Speaker 4: This incized, This incized, it's one of the it's one
of the best in the and the Caldy Cyclis put
it that way.
Speaker 1: Size doesn't matter in the Glens anyway, does it? What's
a kangaroo, Billy?
Speaker 2: What's a kangaroo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, jank mostly things. No, it's a scots Man locked
in the lavatory. All right, that's the way I tell them. Now, look,
paranormal you are the go to guy for the likes
of the History Channel. Yes, I know you're You're even
you're on the BBC after this, So you are that
guy strange things in Scotland. Surely you have some yarns.
What was the strangest you've come across? Now, I believe
you are a bit of a debunker as well. You're skeptic.
Speaker 2: Well, skeptic would be the wrong word.
Speaker 4: Way was described to me as I can believe so
much in situations that I can also talk my way
out of the situations at the same time, Like this
could happen.
Speaker 2: I could see this with my own eyes.
Speaker 4: But people will go to extraordinary lengths to try and
get one over on you.
Speaker 2: So it takes a lot to really get me in.
Speaker 4: But I think you need to have a sense of
genuine belief in order to look at these things, in
order to be kind of in that world. So I
would never, ever, I would never ever question anyone's sensibilities
or their beliefs in terms of things always like looking
at them quite unilaterally. And as we said before we
came on, it's Scottsman's Irishman. We love a tall tale
and in order to really go along with that you
need to believe. I think I think you really need
to believe. So he just finished a little tour doing
a whole bunch of filming here in Scotland and getting
things ready for maybe a new online series of meaning
of and are working on. We didn't get really much
of a chance to chat about that, but that's hopefully
something We're going to be doing little mini shots of
places in Scotland and for me personally, I mean from
doing ghost.
Speaker 2: Walks to doing a seances.
Speaker 4: One of the most recent one that we did was
a year ago, almost to the day, Halloween twenty twenty three,
where there's a very famous ballroom here in Glasgow. You've
probably heard of it, Marcus, the battle Lands Ballroom, No
all right, Well, lastly it's.
Speaker 2: Considered to be it's an east side of the city,
very famous.
Speaker 4: Lots of big names have played there, from David Bowie
to Nirvana to all Manner of contemporary still sought after
as one of the best venues on the planet to
go and play.
Speaker 2: It's never an atmosphere like it, but it was over
the years.
Speaker 4: It was traditionally a ballroom in Glasgow where we'll have
to say a combustible element. I mean people who have
been people have been stad people have gone missing, particularly
in the you know, the the fifties and sixties where
there was a big knife culture in Glasgow. So we
did a seance there last year because well a lot
of people have gone through that building, you know, a
lot of heartbeats have gone through that building. And we
did a stance there last year. One of the things
that I will admit curdled. We had we had our
medium with is and we did a READI board thing.
We did so many different things, actually, so many different
readings because the technology are doing paranormal and ghost walks
or ghost plants if you like, has changed a lot
over the years. Yes, so we had a we had
a bit of a squad with us there last year
and it was it was it was great fun. But
one of the things was when we asked for permission
to do the wiki board, it said yes not.
Speaker 1: Billy, oh, so so I will admit someone had their
cards mark.
Speaker 2: That curdled my blood a little bit.
Speaker 4: I don't mind telling you, so I left that part
of it. But I mean, build them themselves have an
incredible energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: It's a particularly performance venues. You know.
Speaker 4: You just think about all the bodies that I have
gone through, that was definitely probably the most standout when
I was named from the other side, when I was
named from the other side.
Speaker 2: So but it just do you know.
Speaker 4: Something that really enforced my desire to keep going with
these type of things.
Speaker 2: It really really did that night.
Speaker 1: Sorry what's called again?
Speaker 2: Barrow Battle Lands?
Speaker 1: Ah? Sorry, the DJ and me. I'll tell you as
you said, many people went through there. Basity rollers definitely
did it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huge, huge venue.
Speaker 4: It's still considered to be one of the top venues today.
People that were playing stadiums will go and play the
battle Lands ballroom. It's just a diffinite type of energy,
low ceiling, what have you. Yeah, but loads of victims
on that night, in particular, we made connection with a
lady that had gone missing. She had no idea where
she was, She was stuck at the battle and she
was just trying to get the bus home. We went
through the documents and signing in books and we found
within one of the signing in books for the backstage,
we found someone that was actually a conducted murderer that
had been in there and it managed to make his
way to the ballroom but had never signed out.
Speaker 2: I'd never signed out.
Speaker 4: Exactly, So what happened on that night I never came
back either, never came back. You can see it, regular, regular, regular, regular.
This man disappears and never comes back. And his name
had been connected with some homicides and some nefarious acts
there in the very early seventies. So yes, it's hugely,
hugely amazing to go and do something like that. But
then Scotland does have a kind of a backdrop as
thats the Ireland has so many different locations where there
is stuff connected with either paranormal or otherworldly. Would be
the wrong place, but certainly one of my favorites this
year was Maggie Walls Memorial which was up.
Speaker 2: It's up in Dunning, Scotland, which is run about Perth.
Speaker 3: So this is a.
Speaker 2: Memorial that's been built there seemingly.
Speaker 4: Put up in eighteen fifty seven, which is dedicated to
Maggie Wall, who was burnt as a witch. Sorry, that's
eighteen fifty seven. It's sixteen fifth seven. I al together, right,
it's sixteen fifty seven burnt as a witch because in
Scotland up to three thoy five hundred women where burnt
or executed or accused of being witches. Which you think
about that number, how crazy about that is? So even
today in twenty twenty four, Maggie Wall is considered the
Maggie Wall Monument is considered to be a huge beacon
for the conversations we're having now. But forgive the pun, Yeah,
exactly exactly being justice for women and what have you
in this day and age. So it's it's hugely she
was seemingarly burnt the stake there back in sixteen fifty
seven after accusations of witchcraft from local wand owners.
Speaker 2: Now that's always when you read the history behind it,
there's a couple of different things.
Speaker 4: First of all, to be accused of being a witch
was actually something to be considered quite easy, believe it
or not.
Speaker 2: If you had a dispute with someone you were a witch.
Speaker 4: If you were particularly good at singing better than singing,
someone else, you were a witch.
Speaker 2: If you were good at maths, if you were good
at English, you were a witch.
Speaker 4: The accusations against women were very very light in those days,
but obviously some of the subsequent were just just horrible.
But it's considered to be a beacon in this day
and age, and this was something I never got to visit.
Speaker 2: And on the day we went. If you actually go
to the memorial.
Speaker 4: You'll say that people have left pebbles and tiny little
things of sending messages of support, either for women or
for what that's meant for them, you know, but you know,
victims of the mystic abuse and what have you. So
the monument itself has an incredible energy when you go there,
and in twenty twenty a murder, believe or not, was committed.
Speaker 1: On the site.
Speaker 4: Look like I say, the Maggie Walls monument itself has
this incredible lineage.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a horrendous active.
Speaker 4: It was actually between a traveling family that this this
murder is taking place. But so even now after being
this beacon of injustice towards women, was.
Speaker 2: Maggie walla witch? Was Maggie walnot?
Speaker 4: Well, this is me taking a balanced look at it.
For you, And this is kind of what I mean
about it. There is no official documents to recognize that
Maggie Wall was a person. There is no official documents
there that substantiate that. However, however, the monument itself has existed.
Speaker 2: For one hundreds and hundreds of years. So this is
where we come from.
Speaker 4: It's like no one just decided one day they were
going to make up this story.
Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell you.
Speaker 4: Through the passage of time the tires of any story,
the tires.
Speaker 2: Of any myth, can get kicked apart quite quite healthily.
Speaker 4: So but one thing we do know is that there
was you know, you know, four thousand people were accused
of witchcraft nearly you know, fifteen hundred were murdered as
a result of witchcraft inquisitions.
Speaker 2: So this is very real.
Speaker 4: I mean, whether or not the name is connected, whether
or not, you know, someone would want to worry about that, because,
like I said, justice in those days was someone turned
up at your house and well that could be you done.
Speaker 2: So in terms of Maggie Wall being.
Speaker 4: A person, I'll always say this, there is gravitas in
the store. There is gravitazing the story because it means
something to people.
Speaker 2: Someone kept this going.
Speaker 4: A bad myth will disappear, but a genuine story that
meant something in the heart so people will continue. So
that's where we are with Maggie Wall, and it has
grown feet.
Speaker 2: The myth has grown feet.
Speaker 4: I mean there was a skull and a pub in
Glasgow which they claimed was Maggie Wall's skull for a
long time, so it shows you it's it's just not
contained to this one monument. It's actually stretched out beyond Scotland.
Whether or not that's true, I don't exactly know, but
it's incredible because in the day we went up, there
were so many.
Speaker 2: People laying wreaths and stones from all across the planet.
So Maggie Wall meant something that respect.
Speaker 1: She's very real. How many Maggie Walls do you think
were you know, lowered into the water and she drooined.
She's definitely a witch. Oh look she survived. She's a witch.
You know, you couldn't really win, could you know, Maggie Wall.
Speaker 4: The number that's been predicted is, like I said, it's
roughly around about sixteen hundred women were murdered as a
result being cused of being a witch.
Speaker 1: Quitch quick question for you, and I know it sounds
like a cliche, real pedestrian question. What about the Lockness Monster?
Any idea, any thought?
Speaker 4: Well, well, this is an interesting one because some friends
invited me out on the waters because there is there's
several different parties that are all investigating whether or not
the locks and Next monster is real and has done
for years.
Speaker 2: Again, these things always come.
Speaker 4: From a kernel of truth with me, so there must
have been something exciting. Do I believe that someone is
out there in the waters deliberately trying to hoax the
entire planet?
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't believe that. I guess it's
not impossible. It's not impossible.
Speaker 4: I have never seen the Lockness Monster, so it's kind
of hard for me to comment. But whether or not
I think it's real, it's like, well, you know, people
put a hell of a lot of time into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell of a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like you said, though, it's kind of almost no
smoke without fire. You know, something happened and I've seen
over the years, you know, one or two really ordinary
types who would explain about this thing shuffled across the
way road in front of the men for m you know,
and you're kind of going, I'm or you were on
the you were nicely What did they say in Scotland?
You're nicely Mogard?
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you can say pest, but that yeah,
and that that's excellent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not bad on my research, by the way,
poulter Geist, anything phenomena like that, any stories around that,
because they're the ones that really freaked me out because
they seems so real and it's not.
Speaker 1: And I think science also tends to agree.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, well, well the thing is, I mean, there
are simply just unexplained energies and buildings.
Speaker 2: So when people turn around and say, what, I don't believe.
Speaker 4: In ghosts, it's like, well, the term ghost is a
tricky one too, because it's something we've kind of attached
to poltergeist from themselves. I mean I have when I
was in the Battlelands last year, totally unexplained. We had noises,
we had creeks, we had doors banging, had no business
with had a a I can.
Speaker 2: Tell you this right now.
Speaker 4: We had a door banging shut that was locked when
we got there, and there was no one else in
the building.
Speaker 1: Curious sir, and curious sir.
Speaker 4: It was the first person, the first person to goo
who else is in the build. There's got to be someone
else in the building. But the problem is the door
locked from our side, so someone would have had to
pass us locked that door, and so these are unexplained circumstances.
Speaker 2: And that one, again is another prime example of very
very very scary.
Speaker 4: But in terms of Poulterguy's stories themselves, there's a lot
been over the years. And I personally, I mean, we
live in a house here in a little village called
Crooked Home in the West Coast of Scotland, and I
often am talking to Andy, the gentleman that lived here,
because well, we have had unexplained they The electrics in
this building have never been quite right, despite the fact
I have had every electrician in the West Coast of
Scotland out checking these. But we do have flickering lights,
ones that will not work. We do have and this
comes from someone that's got three kids, so I also
bear in mind I've got to put the combustible element
of them into the mix. But this is a house
that I'm quietly convinced is haunted. I'm quietly convinced dishaunted.
Speaker 1: I think there may be natural phenomenon do do do
do do in the area right by the way. If
you say phenomenon, you can go do the do do
do do as well? Would you like to have a
go at a phenomenon? I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What you don't know about that song is it was
actually composed by Georgio Moroder, who did I Feel Love
as well. But that's another break for ads. This is
getting very abstract. Sorry. So I think water and certain
elements can have a lot to do with your flickering
or what they call lay lines can have a lot
to do. Not necessarily that the place is haunted, although
we did, I'll say Billy on show number one a
few weeks back, have a guy from a place of
all places called Skull in County Cork came on the
line and he was in a house and he had
the same kind of issues. But he met someone who said,
that's haunted us, you know, but his lights we're doing
weird stuff. And books were coming off his shelf as well,
that was the either thing, and on the bed opened
up even though he'd be putting it back at nauseum.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I do think that's it. Say where it is
the part of the world. You're in again in Scotland.
Speaker 2: So I am in the west coast of Scotland.
Speaker 4: I'm down by the water, so I am in the Airshire,
which is yeah, right near the water, when near like
the Isles of Aaron and what have you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're.
Speaker 4: We're probably the closest to Ireland actually down to the
west coast.
Speaker 2: So that's where I am. That's where I am.
Speaker 4: But it's interesting what you say about, you know, underlying
rivers and what have you. I believe that is the
I mean, you get somewhere like a Glasgow which has
goes down several to several levels, because we have like
an underground we have two underground train systems, one that
has long since been decommissioned and another one that is
live and active. So I think sometimes I can maybe contribute.
But what about that one that's been shut off? What
secrets have been shut off in there? It's always it's
always interesting the idea. I would love love to go
down to some.
Speaker 2: Of the dark vaults that exists below the cities.
Speaker 1: The bells of day Earth. I take my hat off
to you for the likes of the History Channel.
Speaker 2: And you were a regular there I am, I am.
Speaker 4: So it tends to be on folklore in Scotland, particularly
although it depends, it's kind of constantly involving you. I
don't I don't need to tell you. Sometimes you can
be ready to be a talking head on any subject. Sure,
what they might even do is we're going to visit
this place. Would you like to come and film it
with is could you do some research?
Speaker 1: We'd love your.
Speaker 4: Opinion on the story, or at least to surmize the
story as well. Like, for example, we went to Yester
Castle up in East Lothian.
Speaker 2: It's a ruined castle and literally in the middle of
a forest.
Speaker 4: I mean, the only way you're getting to this mark
is with an hour long hike deep into the forest,
which realistically you can you should only ever do in pairs,
you should only ever do with you know, communication.
Speaker 2: It is hard to rain to get to this castle.
Speaker 4: It is not really a two to traction, if you will,
maybe for fans of their cult and what have you,
but it's not an easy, easy hike.
Speaker 2: So the most recently one.
Speaker 4: We did that and because I had I didn't really
know the story to be honest, it was one that
went completely under my radar, because what it has below
this ruined castle is a structure called the Goblins Hall,
which is shot for Goblins Hall, and this was basically
called a direct descent to Hell. This is dungeons below it,
and there's actually some chambers within.
Speaker 2: It that goes go below the waterline into the actual mountain.
Speaker 4: And the castle itself has ruined from above for no
apparent reason. The research I actually did into it was
one day this castle stopped functioning as being a residence
and was never taken back up because of the age
behind it. So sometimes we're storytellers on the radio, were
storytellers on stage, we're storytellers elsewhere. It can be bringing
these stories to life a little bit for people. That
tends to be my job whenever someone like you know,
the Hit Channel or the BBC will come up together.
Speaker 2: And then to give my opinions on it.
Speaker 4: I mean some of it's I mean, the legend behind
this is that the Goblins Hall was built because the
person that owned the hugo to Gifford, who was known
as the Wizard of Yester. He served as the guardian
of the young Alexander, the third of Scotland, and he
was reported to be a magician and a necromancer, and
apparently he made a deal with the devil who had
brought goblins to the earth to construct the Goblins Hall,
so people could be brought, people could be sacrificed, people
could be descendant into hell, and so people would never
come back.
Speaker 2: In the hall itself.
Speaker 4: Despite the fact that castle is ruined, despite the fact
that the actual chambers are below the ground, they are
virtually untouched, it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a scary, bloody place. It's not so
much Roman in the Globin is in the heymoglobin.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I like him very much.
Speaker 2: I liked them very much.
Speaker 4: It's this beacon, this little beacon of you know, we
talked to Elio when you said, you know, did you
ever get a feeling of places? I got a big,
bad feeling when I was at Yester Castle. I was
not a place I wanted to be. I didn't like
the journey into it because, I mean, if nothing else,
partly when like, you know, one good fall you could
die getting here, a fall this this is it's almost
as if it's saying, do not come here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an ominous feeling.
Speaker 2: There's a very ominous feeling.
Speaker 4: It's almost like the forest is trying to protake you,
keeping people from you know, a well, I don't know,
keeping people from.
Speaker 2: Getting out, but getting in. Yeah, that that.
Speaker 4: Was one of those. So whenever that tends to be
my job in these places, we'll get in touch and
I'm more than happy to do it. Whether it's something
I know, I can. I could talk a glass eye
to sleep in terms of some of the stories, from
the Gobbles Vampire to Ma Shandon's Mind to Maggie Wallas.
Speaker 1: So I can. I can call on you again any time, anytime,
you know, because you are You're in and now you
won't you won't. In fact, it's been really enjoyable listening
to you and what I say as well, do look
after yourself, won't you? You know, it's been lovely talking
to you because you've I do a little bit of
the cartoony Scottish thing, you know, and trying to be
funny with the toss and the caber and all that,
but you have actually the gift of storytelling. You've brought
it to life and I'll just say to you, like
good people are scarce, so do take care of yourself.
It's been an absolute pleasure to talk with you.
Speaker 2: Sally will Mark has been wonderful connecting me you mate.
Speaker 1: Thanks you, Billy, absolutely delicious, Thank you, I love you too.
Bye Ah.
Speaker 6: Okay, if you've got an Irish paranormal tale to tell,
simply email Paranormal Ireland at proton mail dot com and
it'll be read out for you. Oh you get to
teletone air yourself. That's Paranormal Ireland at proton mail dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh he's a mad rocket. Billy Kirkwood, master of the
universe and consultant done all things Scottish paranormal and a
great comedian as well. We shall certainly be using his
service as again what was that again? Beneath the last bit,
Guy are what?
Speaker 2: Guy?
Speaker 1: Never mind? And my thanks as well also goes to
the lovely Sarah Campbell, English female voice artist and she
may even dust check out that word. Yes, myself and
Billy and it was all thanks to her. You can
get her own voices one, two, three and Instagram Sarah
Campbell seven six ' three. That's Sarah Campbell. Bye bye bye.
Now we move on to a bit of class.
Speaker 6: David McGlynn aka the Squire.
Speaker 1: Is busy in the bowels of scary era. Ay Dead David.
Speaker 7: If the horror traffic in human flesh be not, by
some means or other prevented, the churchyards will not be
secure against the shovel of the midnight plunderer, nor the
public against the dagger of the midnight assessin. Madame de
Rubini Bar was an authoress of considerable talent, and published
an account of her life and sufferings during the French
Revolution in eighteen twenty two. She bequeaths her body for
dice section to the professor of Anatomy of Trinity College,
for the benefit of science. However, in the eighteenth century,
those who had not decided to protect their bodies after
death by offering them up to science or through funerary
monuments known as mortsafes, often became the victims of grave robbers,
resurrectionists and sacamups. Visit any graveyard in any part of
Ireland and you will find graves with steel railings attached
to their gravestones. This was due to a very legitimate
paranoia that after burial, as sackamup would desecrate their grave,
steal their body and sell it to the highest bidder.
Locally who practiced anatomy or a school of anatomy. By
the end of the eighteenth century, the study of medicine
was becoming increasingly popular in Ireland. The demand for corpses
came from the highest echelons of society and that of
the medical profession. New medical halls, as well as the
College of Surgeons, needed a regular supply of cadavers for
its doctors and students to dissect. The only corpses legally
available to surgeons were those of executed criminals. The law
stated that only convicted murderers who are condemned to hang
have their bodies dissected and be used by anatomists. As
anatomy was considered the most important subject on the eighteenth
century medical curriculum, the need for human cadavers to dissect
led to the growth of body snatching. For instance, Cokeley
has unearthed diaries that made it clear that James McCartney,
appointed Professor of Anatomy and Surgery to TCD in eighteen thirteen,
was actively involved in grave robbing. The graveyard for paupers
at the Dublin Hospital Fields Burial Ground, or as it
was widely known, Bully's Acre, which adjoined the grounds of
the Royal Hospital in Kilmainham was the one most frequently raided.
Speaker 1: Thank you the Squire. Back in a rolling moo where
I've got a lovely carry fireside chat lined obvio with
an amazing interesting guest, Mark Manning, and its down south.
We pay a visit. On the other end of the line,
I've got PJ. Sullivan from who Vogue Pooka explained.
Speaker 3: Pooka, of course is is obviously used in the in
the ghosts we'll say name per se and actually a
lot of people have the Pooka name like you have
other other events that havist. But for us it's bookle
of course being involved in paranormal it ties in perfectly
what we do. We're Irish paranormal investigators. So we're Pooka
Vogue Paranormal. We're based in clanny Town, so of course
we're down south. We can be found anywhere. That's the
problem back, you could find us literally anywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh have you gone like around all the country?
Speaker 3: Have you? Yeah? We do well to be honest with you,
most our investigations are probably up around the off of
the area, and of course we've done Wicklow Jail a
few rounds as well. But even I've done the Marcro's
plantation in Louisiana and I just come back from a
trip on Route sixty six, so of course popped into
a few locations on the way like Glical ghost Town,
and of course you have do it jail as well,
you know, but yeah, most of our investigations would be
around the country.
Speaker 1: Wow. And is it like a weekend type thing you
do or once a month or.
Speaker 3: Well, we try once a month. So we've just we've
just recently completed a three night lockdown in Redwood Castle
and learn and tipper area, and we'll have one more
investigation just before the year in and that will be
in Tarbot Scale and Bridewell and Dale and Jail and
then of course we'll start the new year then hopefully
with the week of jail. Yeah, we could be found anywhere.
So our last one was Redwood Castle. We did it
the wee didn't just before Halloween. So when what we
do is we go into the location, we lock ourselves down,
which I sometimes with public, sometimes we're private, sometimes charity events.
We cover all angles. But for this one we had
limited guests Saturday night, regular guests with us again Sunday
night and then Monday night, we had a group, so
we cover all the bases, but we literally go to
the location, set up five to six cameras, get it ready.
Then when people come, if does anyone new, we give
them time to get used to this because of course
you're going to be around the building for the night
in the dark, and you want everyone to be comfortable
because you know, Jeeves, you're trying to build it up.
But yes, so that's what we do. We start our
investigation and we continue on till about three or four
in the morning, and then afterwards comes the hard part
of reviewing fifty to sixty hours worth of footage from
the life fantastic.
Speaker 1: Let's just row back slightly and get some basic basic stats.
So how long has Pooka been an operation?
Speaker 3: Well, Pookavoge is in operation itself since around twenty twenty one.
I used to be I'm a panormal investigator for the
guts of twenty years, and I used to go with
the regular people all the time. But you know yourself,
life moves on, People move on to different things. So
in twenty twenty one, my mom was actually passing a
cancer and she was like, what are you doing sitting
at home, you love us, go back out there. So
then the idea began of Pookvoge paranormal, so of course
set it up. My son is on the team with me.
He's grown up with paranormal, his life has been seeing
the footage. So that was two. Then of course, as
partner Eva, we have regular guests and friends that come
along with us, Kooker family. We call it a Pookavog family.
Now to see because in this world you do get
to meet some amazing people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you do. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt,
but can I just ask what the motivation was to
begin with?
Speaker 3: For me, where it all started was. I was probably
about maybe about fifteen or so, and myself and a
friend were staying in a house. Now, two separate minds,
two separate people. We both walk up in the middle
of the night and seeing like a sea, two shape
of a man run across the bottom of the room
of the second floor. So, as I said, you have
two separate minds, two separate people both seeing the same thing. Yes,
I mean, you know the way in life you put
something into a box and you forget about it, but
like that, it niggles away and then one day I
just went, okay, I need to start checking this out.
So I I started with people that knew what they
were doing, and of course started learning the trade from
then and joining them and next thing it built from there,
and of course that's what's made us where we're actually.
So of course it is two generations, and we do
go into locations were locked down for the night because
a manor house, it could be a castle, it could
be a jail. Every location there is like even for example,
you know Ducker's.
Speaker 1: Cloth and Carlos, Oh, I know the name Duck.
Speaker 3: It's stuck.
Speaker 1: It's great, I know of it. Yes, I do. Is
that an old big mansion or correct?
Speaker 3: Now? Fortunately it's falling into a lot of disrepair and
the inside rooms have been closed that. But we were
the last set of Irish investigators inside there today for
the night, so we did the courtyard within near the ruins.
Speaker 1: Just roughly, how many investigations have you been on from
the get go?
Speaker 3: Oh for the number on it, I suppose you could
be talking anything from ten to twenty years. Wow, about
twenty so well over four hundred, i'd say. And we're
kind of diverse as well, because one member is veronicaunch
is actually Polish. We all bring something different to the
Book of Family at the Book of vote Family, and
I always say it's a nice little bit of diversity,
Like for example, I did Kerry private location and as
a paranormal researcher search or an investigator, you're always looking
for the answer instead of going straight to It's part
of normal, you know what I mean. So we were
doing a location and the lady that owned the place
was not Irish. We did her restaurant within our house.
We our male vice in the restaurant captured an EVP,
but in the house we captured something. Couldn't understand it,
make it out data for the owner to see if
it's a regularized She knew a regular pattern should The
answer was right in front of it. She wasn't Irish.
It was actually in her language and she recognized the device.
So I love that because I can barely speak English.
Of course, when you haven't, you have an EVP coming
true in a different language where it's connected to the owner.
That to me was a fantastic catch.
Speaker 1: So hundreds of investigations you would have gone to all
the well known places. I'm guessing the Kennedy castles if
you mentioned awfully, so Leap or Leppt Castle must be
in the equation somewhere.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm going to left with Jesus was well over
ten years and going to Sean and Ryano left, so like, well,
you see you have an icicle nest there an athlete
because you have left castle at about ten twelve minutes
away of Kennity and then on the other side of Borrow, PJ.
Speaker 2: Is that that close?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're literally less than a fifteen minute drive.
Speaker 1: I've done the Kennedy thing, all right. It's always fascinated
me that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And of course then there used to be a
castle that used to be open to the public and
used to do investigations plane and of course there's one
in the weekendsidering earlier homes we investigated so much to
the year Redwood Castle in Lauren and Jibray. And that's
probably for us, that's our dual because of course when
we're going back, it's like we're going back to home
when we go there for a base camp.
Speaker 1: The word base camp, I think it's emphasizing to me
that the way you approach this is very much not
like let's have a go it's a very professional investigation
by the sounds of it, and so is your mindset?
Would that be correct?
Speaker 3: Now it goes two folds like for us, absolutely, we
like what we do. We take very serious. It is
professional what we do. Now on the other side, we
are responsible for people, be the regular guests or be
there somebody new, So we have to have an element
of safety both. We don't go in saying everything's paranormal.
We just way we do say we are nonprofit. We're
not putting on a show. People say ghosts, they could
be ghost spare man woman. I prefer men and woman
if I lived. But I always say, we can't guarantee
anybody anything to investigate. They're more than welcome's coming along
with this, and after that it's up to the It's
up to the building. It's up to the people in
the building for what happens on the night.
Speaker 1: And how many people would you have on a typical investigation.
Speaker 3: Well, I like to keep the numbers low because, as
I say, we are nonprofit, I'm not out to make money.
So and for me, it's the quality of investigations, so
you do have to get people comfortable. For me, I
like to keep it intimate. Generally, generally ten is the
number I go for, but it could be eight, could
be six, could be level. That's generally where I'm around.
Speaker 1: And are people up all night or do sleeping bags
get employed?
Speaker 3: Well, when we go we lockdown for the night and
people have the option of either staying or if they
want to go home at the ens no problem at all,
because it's not everyone's cup of tea. And I always
say you need patience, because if you have no patience,
you really don't become paranormal investigators. We're sitting around in
the dark for hours of the night. Yes, to take
regular breaks, but if you're someone that has no basis
to forget it, we would generally start to around. I
guess we'll come after have base. We would start investigating
a half nine or ten, depending courses winter or summer,
and we will continue investigating till about three or four
in the morning. But again it's down to the building.
If it's a bit of a flat night, we could
be finished by three. If it's active, we could be
going to four. We can we can't script. I suppose
that's the best way to put it.
Speaker 1: To People arrive on these investigations and some of them
are probably revved up for something to happen. They're in
that mindset of expectation. Now that's I think when imaginations
can run riot. You are you are very level aheaded.
Do you try and temper these people at all as
to what to expect?
Speaker 3: Yes, we try to make them a little bit fun
as you go along because it is a long night.
But you could be in a room at moy eleven o'clock,
you could be down there. I always say, once you
turn off the lights, dim everything after strip it back,
you are actually the best paranormal tool for investigating yourself,
coming back to level headed. Before anyone comes with me,
I always make a point of speaking with them if
there's someone that hasn't been with me before, just to
remind them of how it goes goes because of mind
that super so I prefer to break it all back,
letting them know this is not going to be a
horror house. This is going to be a paranormal investigation.
So I already set the mindset when they come and
basically will always be comfortable. Get people comfortable, that nice
feeling before you go and turn off the light, and
that's where it really builds from there. Like for example,
even what I love is when you have an empty
room and the cameras capture something in the background, but
yet there's nobody in the room. That's what I love
when there's something to actually back it up. And then
if I see something and there's a natural reason, of
course I'll say what the natural reason is. Like for example,
we don't bring under eighteen year olds, we don't bring kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to act in the market basically well,
and of.
Speaker 3: Course, like I did some people, like anything can happen.
To know, you have to be safety wise as well.
But then we recently did Tarbart Bridewell Jailhouse courthouse in
jail and to the guests that were just on start
the night Halloween they were with us in Tabart, we
played an EZP we captured it was a child lasting
in the background and it was great for them because
we had no children there. We don't bring children in lockdown,
so for them to hear that, it was great from
a personal point of view for them as well because
they were able to witness stand the night we did
not have children there. So that's what I love. I
love when when it's something that you know for sure,
you can't rule out. Like I always say, I share
a lot of what we get on our Instagram and
our Facebook, but I have to say it's up to
you to decide. But then they're gonna share, there'll be
something I can send over as in, there's no reasonable
explanation for this happening.
Speaker 1: What constitutes a lockdown? So like what are the dos
and don'ts or what's the setup before you go live?
Speaker 3: Okay, So what we do is we usually we get
there earlier, We set up the castle, manor house, whatever
it is we set up beforehand. Then we would have
whoever it's joining us at night, come around day tutte,
let them all get used to each other, and then
at around half nine ten lights go off. We usually started.
For example, if it was red Woll, we started the
ground floor, would build up through all the floors, go
through each one, and then pending on how the building
is reacting on what we're getting, will tweak to suit.
Like for example, you me into the left castle in
left castles there's the bloody chapel at the very top.
So of course if we're getting movement or pabjects have
been moved there, we'll focus there, but if something is
happening on a lower ground floor, will go to there.
And in Redwood Castle, it's like cat mouse. You could
be in one room and you see we use device
like trigger alarms, touch objects, things that are so light,
easy work with from you don't have to spend crazy money,
but you just want to get an alarm or so forth.
And it often brings us when we're in a room
doing investigations to take it's a different room, so you
can't so you can't plan down to how everything will go,
but you'll have a general rule of how it goes.
The other thing, of course, is footwear safety. They're all
the basic.
Speaker 1: Course and a hornet's nest. I'd imagine when it would
come to litigation and all I hope they sign lots
of forms before they absolutely take up their positions for them.
Speaker 3: And we're very lucky, was the people that have come
down to the years, even people that come with us
once a few have become regular guests. And as I said,
that's why they're like we'd say the group about family,
because I don't believe in like hierachers, we're all there
for one reason, experience or investigative research, whatever, tagline. You
put this both, you're left with more questions than answers.
But I do like validation. For example, another paranormal group
days we go jail as we did, and we both
captured the same name downstairs in the same area. So
spraysingly have another team that captures something similar or the same.
In Redwood Castle, we've got a lady singing. They also
got it. We've also got a female advice. So spray
as well when you have good groups that you can't
compare notes with as well, PJ.
Speaker 1: I recently put out my trawling net for contributors. I
had one person come back and she said, this paranormal
group is defunct. She said, we were at it for
many years. We went all around the place and we
never got anything. But you know what she said, PJ.
And she wouldn't have been the first Wicklow jail. She
said she was in a cell. She asked the question,
she got a yes on the EVP, and to her credit,
she didn't claim anything else. She wasn't saying ghost. I
know investigations, paranormal investigations are a waste of time or
anything like it, but she it's funny that she just
said it was Wicklow Jail, and I heard somebody else
saying this receis seems to be very active down there.
Speaker 3: It is like that now as I say, like we
are last, but that there was maybe last February and
a certain pattern of evince was one of the cells
happened again. But as I say, the great thing is
to get to say in names and avp as somebody else. Absolutely,
and like that's why we'll say a Redwood castle for
the location. Because you have so many different rooms of
floors and the sound is all closed. It makes it
that bit more with say better for an investigation because
you know, you can isolate so many nights that thing.
You also be conscious of background.
Speaker 1: Or nice of course extus and of.
Speaker 3: Course exactly and in the course that castle, there's a
chapel and there's a room called the pri Room, like
for example, I was there with guests on I think
it was on the Sunday night. We're in the PRIs
room and literally twice and these are the old doors
of the left where you can let me shut. The
door actually open twice in the room while we're doing
a session insider, whereas on a previous investigation the door
was you know, someone's grabbing a handle and they're like
pushing a door in and out to get in.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, struggling.
Speaker 3: So that's will we got the last time. So it's
great to see that gain. It had built a bit more.
Speaker 1: When PJ. Sullivan is in his the winter of his years,
and let's just say he's having a I don't know
if you take a drinking, he's having a molt.
Speaker 3: So came here of course I've mutual Irish blood.
Speaker 1: Me and he's having a molt by an open fire.
He's away on a weekend somewhere, and he begins to
reflect on all his time of paranormal investigation on the
Septred Isle of Ireland. What would be the highlights that
would jump out at you?
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose my height. I've often said like there
in mine I could watch sixty years or the footage
for maybe five minutes worth both. I always said, if
everything that I've seen or saw happened in one night,
you'd probably never sleep again. The big one for me
is like that I had my T shirt clubbed in
Redwood Chapel. There was two cameras and to capture us. Then,
as I say, we had the vice of a lady
a vice of a child. We've had the lasting of
the child in Target, Gale, Bridewad and Gale. Then you've
had we'll say, objects move, so like you've had so
many things shadows like even for example, I did a
live in Redwood with the regular gifts. We're all in
the room on the live, so you can clear everybody clear,
and I can't whistle on bruces for whistling. I said
to myself Leo, I said, whistle and we'll ask them copies.
And a whistle echoed back up the stairs to us
while we were even on the live. So that's why
I love both. You end up for more questions because
you're still trying to figure out who is it, why
they're there, You're trying to find their story. So every
time you go away you find something on the cameras,
you're going back with a new set of questions. So
you always end up with more and more questions than answers.
That's the thing. But as I say, when you've when
you felt like someone is standing into their nose, or
for example, I was lying in the ground the Left
Chapel and the Bloody Chapel and there was another investigator
with misues against the walls that the camera be joined me.
I lay down. We were getting activity near the abeliite,
and because we know a beliefs and we were getting
activity from that area. So I lay in the ground
as an Irish medal on me, and I was like,
come forward, to come towards me, knocking off. It was obviously,
of course this castle was in a lot of history,
sure enough, just two people in that room, everybody else
threet floors down, one with a camera on me and
I lying on the ground of the gravel in the dark,
and all you could hear was the stones moving underneath,
coming closer and closer and closer, and in the course
the metal move. But that's what I love. I love
the fact that you can have intelligent For example, we
were doing an investigation even there recently, an I said
can you use your vice to communicate with us? We
paid back to dictable at the time. We got an
easy t of okay, when I guess that's the question.
Later around that night in a similar area, was it
then that being moved the object or at the door?
They got back to yes. So that's what I love.
I love it when you're investigating it to find out
more for the story.
Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered anything that you felt was just
pure evil or demonic.
Speaker 3: Well not dramatic per se like of course, let Castle
Dolf have an element of black magic in there. I
have myself and two other gifts were in an area.
We could smell like rotting flesh, and there was two
ladies and myself. The next thing, I was talking, but
another male vice came overrom it, and on a separate investigation,
a female vice came over on the dictive phone. But
you could you could feel the ear in it. You could,
That's what I'm saying. You could be in a room, you
could feel split. You could go back an hour later.
It could feel very heavy. You could just notice the difference.
But left Castle be in one, but the other one,
my biggest one was probably a week to go jails.
I was inside, you could time into the group. I
was standing by the wall. The only way I can
explain it to you, and I am a level headed person.
It's like someone was standing into my nose, hit the
head with me, but I knew there was nobody there,
no physical then. The only way to stage was just
like they put their head through me and I ran,
and I yes, and there was a bit investigator. I
did run, and I'm a fatlan so running isn't by forty,
but I did run as the night went on, because
I actually was going to leave the investigation. It gave
me such uneasy. I was like, I'm ouse and done.
Of course, then I settled, went back into this with
the game, with the head back in the game. But
as the night was going on, my face was getting
hotter and hotter r on one side. So by morning,
spinning the whole night to these people, my cheek bone
was burning hotty to put the hand on my space
and there was like three maxims, So of course that
was my initiation, my first time there. Then of course
we learned about Check the jailer and how he used
to brand people, and of course I was in his
cell at that time. So then, as I say, last February,
I tried an experiment where Eva, who's from the partnership
on the team. I put Eva into the same cell,
but I didn't tell her which cell it was. I
wanted to see what was happening. I went to the
next door cell. Sure enough, they started feeling the uneasy
they felt they were tug jets a lasted mimicking the
same heaveness that I had experienced years before. So again
that gives more we'll say, more clarification to it as.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, vindicated totally.
Speaker 3: And that's what I like to I like to see
things over level, thaying fields both as to say a
fe have a camera like I clipped there on the
side where a few of the camera facing is there.
Nobody comes up, nobody goes down. Next thing is going
A male vice at the back saying help me. There's
no physical person there, is it? What can we do?
Speaker 1: Have you ever come to a place that you felt
perhaps a deja vu connection.
Speaker 3: With and in a way I suppose I do with
with Redwood Castle as we go so much, but.
Speaker 1: I picked up on that you mentioned it quite a
few times.
Speaker 3: That's right, because that would mean that's a lot of
our investigations, but with different people and different like even
for example of Rebecca mc redmonds as a singer in Golwet,
she was on an investigation with a stair once I
wanted to use music with a building energy of the
building and her dress gets tugged and she's just before it.
Eva says the room has gone very thin. I watched
back the footage for two legs around the ground or
addressed us float outwards, and I'll never forget the fear
that was inter at that time. So there these are
all the things like to any person that go is crazy.
I always say it is now my face, convince anyone.
I'll share what I find that I see I'm standing
over and I let people make their own mind up.
But if you think about Tarborth, Bridewell, children's vices, EVPs,
objects being triggered, if you think about Chloe Jail, if
you think about we'll say Tinnity, castles, left Castle, all
these buildings. But I do say it's a numbers game.
How many people have passed, how many people have gone
through them? Is it residual? Is it to the person.
So that's the thing I often say, the numbers don't
add up. But all I can do is keep investigating.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any investigations in court.
Speaker 3: In Kurk I did private private public house a private
public house in court that it was a bad things
that happened to staff they captured in CCTV. But most
of it is probably up the country. I suppose a
good one as well is have you ever heard the
Mertals plantation in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: I've narrated bits for over the voice over business, I do. Yeah,
I've heard about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I friends of ours at Marygren. Of course,
when you're a paranormal investigator and you're so close to location,
you kind of got I have to go. So I
went out there and that I booked in for the
night and I was staying until morning. But when I
got there, I realized I was the only guest. There
was nobody else there, and the groundkeeper was living in
the cottage on the ground because this was free the fire,
the fire a few years ago. But that night I
was investigating upstairs in the general's room. The only way
is staying at two is I was doing my call
out of trying. I felt, you know the place, you
can feel it, but I wasn't getting much, not that
I knew of. When I watched back my footage, because
I walk on one stage of the night, I thought
there was actually somebody in the bay, but there was,
of course nobody there. But it did wake me to
start watching back the footage. There's a girl's voice, and
of course they have the story of Chloe and sure
enough there going on two there was nobody and you'd
know the toe. So that's what I love. I love
when it's something that the course, Like in the morning,
I had slept, well, I had slept through that. Do
you know they were going in to tell you set
the larm at three the residence. It's aften being seen
and hard. I left there thanking them great experience, use location,
not knowing what I was yet.
Speaker 1: To see, just amazing.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy it's a crazy life being a parent
orm investigator.
Speaker 1: But do you get what do you get to get
to sleep afterwards? After all that?
Speaker 3: You're always wreckted? Like that's what I mean at the
moment now since Halloween, because we have the three night lockdown,
Like at that stage, you're talking sixty and twenty one
hundred and eighty hours worth of footage to trawl through
and in your course because it's non popular working full time,
so it takes me a bit of time to get
through everything, but it is passionate's what we do.
Speaker 1: Great question for you as well. So I'm thinking myself, Okay,
the Kennedy Castles, the Leppe Castle, Charlesville, is that another
one or Charliville, Charlieville, so they're all you know, and
the and the Wicklow Jail and the health Our Club.
Speaker 3: Do you ever do the health Yes. Now I haven't
done a full lockdown investigation. There's actually a fellow par
Ourn investigators in Ireland. They do quite a lot, but
just for logistics and security in lockdown it's one I've
never done a camera lockdown. And the course there's no
electricity as you know, so I often see if you
took with a Ducket's growth, at least it's outside, but
at least you have electricity of pinints. Topical for me,
I like to be able to show what I do
and what I see and what I hear, and of
course logistically for the Healthfire Club, it doesn't have what
I could do for a full investigation. It's like, for example,
in Dukett's growth, my son Leo was coming up the
yard and he actually hard device at the time and
he stops dead in his tracks and the camera cut
it and also cut device. So that's the thing. The
Health Ore for me is harder logistically for what I do.
Speaker 1: Ireland, as you know, has a very ancient past as well.
Have you ever kind of gone around the druid or
the Stone Age monument type. Have you ever an outdoor
even as opposed to any Yeah, I know I've done.
Speaker 3: I've done well, say like that, and on on a
personal level, I suppose more so than the pook of
old level. But I have often gone to the stone
circles and I would bring things like a k too,
an addictive phone just to see what I capture und
them there. Now, I'll be very honest with you to days,
I haven't post. It's so hard in the elements to mean,
it's so hard and like you're literally relying on you
could be set to go next you get their raining,
the wind, you know what I mean, experience then and
personal in them.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm thinking, is there stone circles near Kennedy as well?
Speaker 3: There is, indeed, and there's plenty even around us here
and carry there's many fields you're going to that you're
going to see them, you know, there's so many locations
around the country and it's to be fair, That's why
I like to support these places. Like even if you
look at Dept Castle, Sean Ryan is the caretaker, the keeper.
It's his baby. He's trying to preserve us. If you
look at Redwood that was actually at one stage in
the thirteen hundred totally empty destride four walls, and these
people have brought them back to what we've see today.
They're preserving the history as well, but that's the thing,
and each of them come with their own story, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that man what's his name again? In
left Castle shown as a Sean Ryan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a labor of love with him.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I've asked been shared with Sean some of
the captures we've got there, I have to sit down
or he'd ask us in the morning, how did we
get on? But I love Sean's thinking, but of course
it is there's home as well, and he Goes. I
don't call him Goes. They're just people I cannot see.
I like his thinking of it.
Speaker 1: When you say findings, you know, photographic findings, what's the
most bizarre or is there anything that actually looks looks
so real that you cannot mistake it for anything else
but as a spirit or what about How do you
feel about orbs?
Speaker 3: I would say light enomally is more so than urbs,
because urbs can be an awful lot of dust, movements
very hard to decipher, whereas if you have a room
that's static and there's nothing with it, there's no cosmic
pattern of orbs or dust or whatever, but yet you
get you're getting a light normally coming straight across or
going as angle. I always room in just to see
if there are tail Is there any insect I wouldn't
take them at safe failure. But what I do like
is I use a last insects because of course from
the digital world, people can manipulate any type of picture.
So I like to go old school if I use
the insects that you like to pull the right long ago.
And of course, like for example, now there was a stairs,
you know, the spiral stairs. We can see to each step.
So we had movement at the top of the Great Hall,
the top of Redwood, and it was coming from one area.
So we were like, if you're there, can you stand
in the photograph? Can we see you like a picture
trying to relate to the mister what it would have
been in their time. Sure enough, there's a black a
total black mass in the center blocking out some of
the steps. And of course we always take two photographs
because if something is generally in both something natural. If
it's only in one, then of course you're getting a question.
So I said, we're going to take a second one.
Can you show me again use our energy? So forth
second picture it was louder, So two pictures of the
same stairs where there should be a gap where you
can see the steps totally black thoughts in different areas.
So for for that reason, that's what I like. Now
I have a previous investigators, but I don't own their footage.
I did see a shadow literally we're all standing in
a circle hand to hand foot to us, and I've
seen a shadow run across the room. But that was
a mind that was theirs. But they did get to
experience it. It's very hard to get that full operational
front of deal.
Speaker 1: And auditory or is it at the evp end of things?
Anyone's nearly take the head off you when you're listening
back through your headset. Now anything really.
Speaker 3: Like for example, we were in we were upstairs in
us the kitchen area of Tarbet, Bridewell and jail, and
we were all of us to together in one to
one area. We were playing back after hearing the questions,
and we actually got an audio at the time and
you could see the reaction by everyone that I love that.
But you can see how genu wine it is. Get out,
get out. So we didn't want to start. And that
sometimes happens because when you hear words like get or
you hear will they get out? You two question them
to know what do they want us there? Yes, when
you hear those, it can make the hair stand and
to have you really stand up to attentions. You know
if your name is called, because that has happened where
like people's names have often been called on an e VP. Yes,
so that's really how intelligent the person you're you're communicating
with it. If they're actually able to call your name,
that's how intelligent they are that they now know who
you are. You have introduced yourself and they're calling your name.
So that's what I love. I love the fact that
it's there, you hear it, you capture it. It's brilliant
for the people on the night. But I always want
to know more.
Speaker 1: Okay, PJ, before we wrap up quickly, right, three things
before I forget them. I have a bit of an
obsession with lighthouses. Have you tried any lighthouses?
Speaker 3: No? Both won't light you. I am the same myself.
I've been trying to get into a few for a
long time and I won't light you. It's a bucket list.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I've hired the old wicklow Head. It's
beautiful now you can. I think it's Heritage Island or whatever.
You Yeah, I did loop Head last year the year
before last, and a place called Blackhead, which is up
an antrum.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah that when I'm not familiar with. No,
to be honestly to the other.
Speaker 1: Two, yes, yeah, and it's funny experience by well, it
was in Looped You know. It's funny because this is
called Scary Era. And you might remember during the Second
World War, Era was written around in big rocks around
the coasts so the bombers could identify that we were
neutral supposedly. Yes, And so one night I we actually
did find ourselves looking for Era because it was there
somewhere in Stone, but all the gorse and all plantation
had grown over it. So I'm just thinking back a
windy night we all went out around the Looped lighthouse
looking for Era. We did actually find it in the
end as well. Okay, the other two are say fairies
are the little people anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, so as I say, like a lot of it
will be evp where you get the bight more so
than I think both in saying that when you see
an object being pushed with force and like you are
trying to decipher is it adult? Is a child? What
is it? Who is it? So of course that does
bring an element of who again who are we dealing with?
Speaker 1: And final one where I let you go for your
Sunday dinner because mine's waiting.
Speaker 3: Yes, we all grew up, of course with the Benchie
and especially the what's that story? Each other? Adie Linningham,
I think he was any one of my age group.
We've all grown up with the Benchie. I've never heard
the Benchie. We've all heard the stories because of course
there's so much both folklore back in the day. But
the only thing I suppose that could relate to is
I was asked to a cemetery, which is normally not
where I do but our last to do it. And
we were outside a specific area and we could smell
the incidant. We were standing there saying goodbye, we've actually finished.
We could smell the infants, and when I quizzed back
again with them when I'm back with the findings, they
were saying where we were standing longo be it a
character rehearse, they still take the body to take the
coffins out there and do the instance around them, because
that might have said, like we were standing in the
middle of a funeral. That's the only way I can
explain it to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, so there was this sense.
Speaker 3: Can smell it. There wasn't just one yesson or an
idea part of suggestion, but it was something everyone could
smell at the time. And I always say it is
one that sends out to me as well. It was right,
we were actually standing in the middle of a funeral
at that moment in time. But no, Benchie, I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: So you should be be afraid, be very afraid if
you're listening to scary Era. My thanks to PJ. Sullivan
from Pooka Vogue Paranormal right the Hoe. Remember, if you've
got an Irish paranormal story and it need not necessarily
be Irish, get in touch with us Paranormal Ireland at
Proton male dot com. Next week you're going to be
hearing from Lucas Bowls. If you pardon the expression no no,
The same as the drink. He's actually a lovely guy,
a Belgian film director, and he's got a story for us,
all about a haunted house on the Belgium Holland border.
I Mark Manning. Somebody has to be from Ireland. Good
night or good morning, wherever you are. Take care because
I care.