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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by non natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era,

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Mark Manning, Yes, it is Scary Era, but I don't

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have any Irish material for the first bit of the show,

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so as usual, the Irish look to the Scots for

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a little digout och Denie so bolly scottwand's only a

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don't stray away from the old thought anyway. But gentleman,

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on the end of the line, can you say the

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following word big Gora Gora?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Who's an excellent one?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: You are now officially Irish honorary, honorary until I say otherwise, Okay,

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boys and gettles and feral animals because actually, funny enough

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I use that word feral. This man is in a

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feral part of the world, Scotland, but he also does

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a very feral thing for a living, which is a comedian.

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Hello Billy Kirkwood, Hello Mark You. It doesn't get more

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feral than the bear pit, does it? When you're out there?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know's It might be one of the hardest,

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roughest jobs out there in entertainment.

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Speaker 2: By it's the best job I've ever had, the best

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job I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I did a little bit of it

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myself when I came runner up to Paddy Kilty who

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now presents the Late Late Show in the Bulmers. So

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you think you're funny nineteen ninety he too. Whatever he

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used to run out on he did some mad stuff

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in the nineties. He'd run out on stage with a

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balaklava on his head and he'd start pointing the microphone

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at people. And this was no I better not say it.

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But if you know Paddy Kilty, you know his history.

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It wasn't too long after a major event. Maybe it

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was some form of trauma. I think he was reliving,

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but he was very he was hysterical and he was

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hugely confident.

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Speaker 2: Patty's fantastic. Paddy's absolutely fantastic. I love I love what

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he's done with the Late Show over in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: Well, sure everyone has an opinion, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is, there is.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's not the Late Late Show

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anymore as I know it. It's late late light.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well I've got it.

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Speaker 4: If I were to give a shout out to anyone

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I happened to be a really good mates with these

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warm up act that does the studio a big shout

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out to Tomahoney over there.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, good luck, good well done getting that gig, Tom.

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That's what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle that heckling?

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 4: I don't tend to get heckled bea cause I'd probably

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argue I'm a bit of an energetic, larger than life

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persona on stage, I would probably say, And people that

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do tend to heckle me don't do it again. So

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that tends to be I don't tend to do too

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bad with heckling. But do you know something, my ethoughs

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is kind of this.

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Speaker 2: We're all here to have a good time.

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Speaker 4: We're all heartbeats beating together and having a good So

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that's not the vibe I tend to bring.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it can be a very hard job,

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but it's very, very rewarding.

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Speaker 1: Heckle me and say say something really bad about me

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and my podcast. Don't worry, I've got broad shoulders. Go on,

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go on, say something nasty.

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Speaker 2: A fucking burg get off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, when you stand against that wall, it's plastered too.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 1: That was my standard reposit.

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Speaker 2: I liked it.

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Speaker 1: I liked it, but unfortunately it was the only one

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in my arsenal. So if anyone went beyond that, which

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they often did, was like a retreat into my Heidi

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hole here until the nasty person has taken off by

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security or whatever. Now I have this image of Scotland

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as red haired men whose breath smells of whiskey, who

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do dancing across crossed swords, chopping their toenails. Have you

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tossed your caper this morning?

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Speaker 4: I usually toss my cayboard pretty much as soon as

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everyone's away to skill and work.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I get I get my keyboard tossed.

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Speaker 1: I heard you have quite a big caper.

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Speaker 4: This incized, This incized, it's one of the it's one

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Speaker 1: Size doesn't matter in the Glens anyway, does it? What's

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a kangaroo, Billy?

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Speaker 2: What's a kangaroo?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, jank mostly things. No, it's a scots Man locked

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in the lavatory. All right, that's the way I tell them. Now, look,

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paranormal you are the go to guy for the likes

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of the History Channel. Yes, I know you're You're even

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you're on the BBC after this, So you are that

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guy strange things in Scotland. Surely you have some yarns.

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What was the strangest you've come across? Now, I believe

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you are a bit of a debunker as well. You're skeptic.

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Speaker 2: Well, skeptic would be the wrong word.

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Speaker 4: Way was described to me as I can believe so

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much in situations that I can also talk my way

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out of the situations at the same time, Like this

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could happen.

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Speaker 2: I could see this with my own eyes.

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Speaker 4: But people will go to extraordinary lengths to try and

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get one over on you.

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Speaker 2: So it takes a lot to really get me in.

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Speaker 4: But I think you need to have a sense of

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genuine belief in order to look at these things, in

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order to be kind of in that world. So I

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would never, ever, I would never ever question anyone's sensibilities

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or their beliefs in terms of things always like looking

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at them quite unilaterally. And as we said before we

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came on, it's Scottsman's Irishman. We love a tall tale

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and in order to really go along with that you

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need to believe. I think I think you really need

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to believe. So he just finished a little tour doing

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a whole bunch of filming here in Scotland and getting

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things ready for maybe a new online series of meaning

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of and are working on. We didn't get really much

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of a chance to chat about that, but that's hopefully

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something We're going to be doing little mini shots of

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places in Scotland and for me personally, I mean from

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Speaker 2: Walks to doing a seances.

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Speaker 4: One of the most recent one that we did was

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a year ago, almost to the day, Halloween twenty twenty three,

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where there's a very famous ballroom here in Glasgow. You've

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probably heard of it, Marcus, the battle Lands Ballroom, No

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Speaker 2: Considered to be it's an east side of the city,

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very famous.

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Speaker 4: Lots of big names have played there, from David Bowie

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to Nirvana to all Manner of contemporary still sought after

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as one of the best venues on the planet to

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Speaker 2: It's never an atmosphere like it, but it was over

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Speaker 4: It was traditionally a ballroom in Glasgow where we'll have

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to say a combustible element. I mean people who have

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there was a big knife culture in Glasgow. So we

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did a seance there last year because well a lot

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of people have gone through that building, you know, a

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lot of heartbeats have gone through that building. And we

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did a stance there last year. One of the things

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that I will admit curdled. We had we had our

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medium with is and we did a READI board thing.

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readings because the technology are doing paranormal and ghost walks

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or ghost plants if you like, has changed a lot

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over the years. Yes, so we had a we had

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to do the wiki board, it said yes not.

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Speaker 1: Billy, oh, so so I will admit someone had their

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cards mark.

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Speaker 2: That curdled my blood a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind telling you, so I left that part

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of it. But I mean, build them themselves have an

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incredible energy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 2: It's a particularly performance venues. You know.

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Speaker 4: You just think about all the bodies that I have

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gone through, that was definitely probably the most standout when

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I was named from the other side, when I was

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Speaker 2: So but it just do you know.

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Speaker 4: Something that really enforced my desire to keep going with

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Speaker 2: It really really did that night.

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Speaker 2: Barrow Battle Lands?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Sorry, the DJ and me. I'll tell you as

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you said, many people went through there. Basity rollers definitely

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did it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, huge, huge venue.

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Speaker 4: It's still considered to be one of the top venues today.

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battle Lands ballroom. It's just a diffinite type of energy,

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low ceiling, what have you. Yeah, but loads of victims

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on that night, in particular, we made connection with a

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lady that had gone missing. She had no idea where

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she was, She was stuck at the battle and she

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was just trying to get the bus home. We went

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through the documents and signing in books and we found

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within one of the signing in books for the backstage,

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we found someone that was actually a conducted murderer that

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had been in there and it managed to make his

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way to the ballroom but had never signed out.

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Speaker 2: I'd never signed out.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, So what happened on that night I never came

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back either, never came back. You can see it, regular, regular, regular, regular.

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had been connected with some homicides and some nefarious acts

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there in the very early seventies. So yes, it's hugely,

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hugely amazing to go and do something like that. But

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then Scotland does have a kind of a backdrop as

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thats the Ireland has so many different locations where there

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is stuff connected with either paranormal or otherworldly. Would be

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the wrong place, but certainly one of my favorites this

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year was Maggie Walls Memorial which was up.

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Speaker 2: It's up in Dunning, Scotland, which is run about Perth.

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Speaker 3: So this is a.

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Speaker 2: Memorial that's been built there seemingly.

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Speaker 4: Put up in eighteen fifty seven, which is dedicated to

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Maggie Wall, who was burnt as a witch. Sorry, that's

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eighteen fifty seven. It's sixteen fifth seven. I al together, right,

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it's sixteen fifty seven burnt as a witch because in

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Scotland up to three thoy five hundred women where burnt

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or executed or accused of being witches. Which you think

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about that number, how crazy about that is? So even

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today in twenty twenty four, Maggie Wall is considered the

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Maggie Wall Monument is considered to be a huge beacon

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for the conversations we're having now. But forgive the pun, Yeah,

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exactly exactly being justice for women and what have you

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in this day and age. So it's it's hugely she

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was seemingarly burnt the stake there back in sixteen fifty

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seven after accusations of witchcraft from local wand owners.

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Speaker 2: Now that's always when you read the history behind it,

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there's a couple of different things.

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Speaker 4: First of all, to be accused of being a witch

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was actually something to be considered quite easy, believe it

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Speaker 2: If you had a dispute with someone you were a witch.

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Speaker 4: If you were particularly good at singing better than singing,

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someone else, you were a witch.

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Speaker 2: If you were good at maths, if you were good

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at English, you were a witch.

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Speaker 4: The accusations against women were very very light in those days,

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and age, and this was something I never got to visit.

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Speaker 2: And on the day we went. If you actually go

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Speaker 4: You'll say that people have left pebbles and tiny little

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things of sending messages of support, either for women or

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for what that's meant for them, you know, but you know,

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victims of the mystic abuse and what have you. So

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the monument itself has an incredible energy when you go there,

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and in twenty twenty a murder, believe or not, was committed.

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Speaker 1: On the site.

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Speaker 4: Look like I say, the Maggie Walls monument itself has

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this incredible lineage.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a horrendous active.

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Speaker 4: It was actually between a traveling family that this this

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murder is taking place. But so even now after being

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this beacon of injustice towards women, was.

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Speaker 2: Maggie walla witch? Was Maggie walnot?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is me taking a balanced look at it.

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For you, And this is kind of what I mean

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about it. There is no official documents to recognize that

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Maggie Wall was a person. There is no official documents

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there that substantiate that. However, however, the monument itself has existed.

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Speaker 2: For one hundreds and hundreds of years. So this is

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where we come from.

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Speaker 4: It's like no one just decided one day they were

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going to make up this story.

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Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell you.

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Speaker 4: Through the passage of time the tires of any story,

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the tires.

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Speaker 2: Of any myth, can get kicked apart quite quite healthily.

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Speaker 4: So but one thing we do know is that there

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was you know, you know, four thousand people were accused

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of witchcraft nearly you know, fifteen hundred were murdered as

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a result of witchcraft inquisitions.

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Speaker 2: So this is very real.

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Speaker 4: I mean, whether or not the name is connected, whether

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or not, you know, someone would want to worry about that, because,

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like I said, justice in those days was someone turned

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up at your house and well that could be you done.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of Maggie Wall being.

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Speaker 4: A person, I'll always say this, there is gravitas in

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the store. There is gravitazing the story because it means

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something to people.

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Speaker 2: Someone kept this going.

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Speaker 4: A bad myth will disappear, but a genuine story that

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meant something in the heart so people will continue. So

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that's where we are with Maggie Wall, and it has

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grown feet.

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Speaker 2: The myth has grown feet.

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Speaker 4: I mean there was a skull and a pub in

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Glasgow which they claimed was Maggie Wall's skull for a

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long time, so it shows you it's it's just not

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contained to this one monument. It's actually stretched out beyond Scotland.

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Whether or not that's true, I don't exactly know, but

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it's incredible because in the day we went up, there

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were so many.

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Speaker 2: People laying wreaths and stones from all across the planet.

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So Maggie Wall meant something that respect.

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Speaker 1: She's very real. How many Maggie Walls do you think

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were you know, lowered into the water and she drooined.

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She's definitely a witch. Oh look she survived. She's a witch.

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You know, you couldn't really win, could you know, Maggie Wall.

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Speaker 4: The number that's been predicted is, like I said, it's

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roughly around about sixteen hundred women were murdered as a

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result being cused of being a witch.

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Speaker 1: Quitch quick question for you, and I know it sounds

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like a cliche, real pedestrian question. What about the Lockness Monster?

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Any idea, any thought?

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Speaker 4: Well, well, this is an interesting one because some friends

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invited me out on the waters because there is there's

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several different parties that are all investigating whether or not

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the locks and Next monster is real and has done

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for years.

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Speaker 2: Again, these things always come.

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Speaker 4: From a kernel of truth with me, so there must

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have been something exciting. Do I believe that someone is

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out there in the waters deliberately trying to hoax the

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entire planet?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't believe that. I guess it's

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not impossible. It's not impossible.

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Speaker 4: I have never seen the Lockness Monster, so it's kind

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of hard for me to comment. But whether or not

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I think it's real, it's like, well, you know, people

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put a hell of a lot of time into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hell of a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's like you said, though, it's kind of almost no

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smoke without fire. You know, something happened and I've seen

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over the years, you know, one or two really ordinary

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types who would explain about this thing shuffled across the

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way road in front of the men for m you know,

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and you're kind of going, I'm or you were on

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the you were nicely What did they say in Scotland?

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You're nicely Mogard?

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you can say pest, but that yeah,

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and that that's excellent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not bad on my research, by the way,

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poulter Geist, anything phenomena like that, any stories around that,

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because they're the ones that really freaked me out because

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they seems so real and it's not.

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Speaker 1: And I think science also tends to agree.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, well, well the thing is, I mean, there

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are simply just unexplained energies and buildings.

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Speaker 2: So when people turn around and say, what, I don't believe.

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Speaker 4: In ghosts, it's like, well, the term ghost is a

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tricky one too, because it's something we've kind of attached

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to poltergeist from themselves. I mean I have when I

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was in the Battlelands last year, totally unexplained. We had noises,

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we had creeks, we had doors banging, had no business

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with had a a I can.

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Speaker 2: Tell you this right now.

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Speaker 4: We had a door banging shut that was locked when

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we got there, and there was no one else in

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the building.

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Speaker 1: Curious sir, and curious sir.

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Speaker 4: It was the first person, the first person to goo

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who else is in the build. There's got to be someone

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else in the building. But the problem is the door

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locked from our side, so someone would have had to

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pass us locked that door, and so these are unexplained circumstances.

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Speaker 2: And that one, again is another prime example of very

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very very scary.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of Poulterguy's stories themselves, there's a lot

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been over the years. And I personally, I mean, we

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live in a house here in a little village called

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Crooked Home in the West Coast of Scotland, and I

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often am talking to Andy, the gentleman that lived here,

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because well, we have had unexplained they The electrics in

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this building have never been quite right, despite the fact

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I have had every electrician in the West Coast of

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Scotland out checking these. But we do have flickering lights,

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ones that will not work. We do have and this

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comes from someone that's got three kids, so I also

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bear in mind I've got to put the combustible element

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of them into the mix. But this is a house

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that I'm quietly convinced is haunted. I'm quietly convinced dishaunted.

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Speaker 1: I think there may be natural phenomenon do do do

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do do in the area right by the way. If

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you say phenomenon, you can go do the do do

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do do as well? Would you like to have a

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go at a phenomenon? I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What you don't know about that song is it was

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actually composed by Georgio Moroder, who did I Feel Love

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as well. But that's another break for ads. This is

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getting very abstract. Sorry. So I think water and certain

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elements can have a lot to do with your flickering

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or what they call lay lines can have a lot

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to do. Not necessarily that the place is haunted, although

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we did, I'll say Billy on show number one a

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few weeks back, have a guy from a place of

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all places called Skull in County Cork came on the

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line and he was in a house and he had

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the same kind of issues. But he met someone who said,

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that's haunted us, you know, but his lights we're doing

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weird stuff. And books were coming off his shelf as well,

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that was the either thing, and on the bed opened

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up even though he'd be putting it back at nauseum.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that's it. Say where it is

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the part of the world. You're in again in Scotland.

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Speaker 2: So I am in the west coast of Scotland.

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Speaker 4: I'm down by the water, so I am in the Airshire,

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which is yeah, right near the water, when near like

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the Isles of Aaron and what have you.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're.

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Speaker 4: We're probably the closest to Ireland actually down to the

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west coast.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I am. That's where I am.

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting what you say about, you know, underlying

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rivers and what have you. I believe that is the

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I mean, you get somewhere like a Glasgow which has

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goes down several to several levels, because we have like

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an underground we have two underground train systems, one that

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has long since been decommissioned and another one that is

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live and active. So I think sometimes I can maybe contribute.

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But what about that one that's been shut off? What

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secrets have been shut off in there? It's always it's

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always interesting the idea. I would love love to go

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down to some.

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Speaker 2: Of the dark vaults that exists below the cities.

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Speaker 1: The bells of day Earth. I take my hat off

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to you for the likes of the History Channel.

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Speaker 2: And you were a regular there I am, I am.

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Speaker 4: So it tends to be on folklore in Scotland, particularly

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although it depends, it's kind of constantly involving you. I

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don't I don't need to tell you. Sometimes you can

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be ready to be a talking head on any subject. Sure,

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what they might even do is we're going to visit

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this place. Would you like to come and film it

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with is could you do some research?

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Speaker 1: We'd love your.

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Speaker 4: Opinion on the story, or at least to surmize the

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story as well. Like, for example, we went to Yester

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Castle up in East Lothian.

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Speaker 2: It's a ruined castle and literally in the middle of

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a forest.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the only way you're getting to this mark

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is with an hour long hike deep into the forest,

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which realistically you can you should only ever do in pairs,

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you should only ever do with you know, communication.

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Speaker 2: It is hard to rain to get to this castle.

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Speaker 4: It is not really a two to traction, if you will,

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maybe for fans of their cult and what have you,

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but it's not an easy, easy hike.

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Speaker 2: So the most recently one.

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Speaker 4: We did that and because I had I didn't really

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know the story to be honest, it was one that

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went completely under my radar, because what it has below

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this ruined castle is a structure called the Goblins Hall,

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which is shot for Goblins Hall, and this was basically

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called a direct descent to Hell. This is dungeons below it,

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and there's actually some chambers within.

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Speaker 2: It that goes go below the waterline into the actual mountain.

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Speaker 4: And the castle itself has ruined from above for no

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apparent reason. The research I actually did into it was

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one day this castle stopped functioning as being a residence

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and was never taken back up because of the age

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behind it. So sometimes we're storytellers on the radio, were

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storytellers on stage, we're storytellers elsewhere. It can be bringing

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these stories to life a little bit for people. That

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tends to be my job whenever someone like you know,

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the Hit Channel or the BBC will come up together.

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Speaker 2: And then to give my opinions on it.

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Speaker 4: I mean some of it's I mean, the legend behind

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this is that the Goblins Hall was built because the

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person that owned the hugo to Gifford, who was known

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as the Wizard of Yester. He served as the guardian

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of the young Alexander, the third of Scotland, and he

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was reported to be a magician and a necromancer, and

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apparently he made a deal with the devil who had

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brought goblins to the earth to construct the Goblins Hall,

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so people could be brought, people could be sacrificed, people

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could be descendant into hell, and so people would never

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come back.

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Speaker 2: In the hall itself.

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Speaker 4: Despite the fact that castle is ruined, despite the fact

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that the actual chambers are below the ground, they are

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00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,279
virtually untouched, it doesn't even make any sense.

478
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,839
Speaker 1: It sounds like a scary, bloody place. It's not so

479
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,359
much Roman in the Globin is in the heymoglobin.

480
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: No.

481
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: I like him very much.

482
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,799
Speaker 2: I liked them very much.

483
00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,599
Speaker 4: It's this beacon, this little beacon of you know, we

484
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,359
talked to Elio when you said, you know, did you

485
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,400
ever get a feeling of places? I got a big,

486
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,400
bad feeling when I was at Yester Castle. I was

487
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,799
not a place I wanted to be. I didn't like

488
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,279
the journey into it because, I mean, if nothing else,

489
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480
partly when like, you know, one good fall you could

490
00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:20,279
die getting here, a fall this this is it's almost

491
00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:22,599
as if it's saying, do not come here.

492
00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an ominous feeling.

493
00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: There's a very ominous feeling.

494
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 4: It's almost like the forest is trying to protake you,

495
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,200
keeping people from you know, a well, I don't know,

496
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:33,079
keeping people from.

497
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: Getting out, but getting in. Yeah, that that.

498
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 4: Was one of those. So whenever that tends to be

499
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:39,079
my job in these places, we'll get in touch and

500
00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:40,960
I'm more than happy to do it. Whether it's something

501
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,400
I know, I can. I could talk a glass eye

502
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,000
to sleep in terms of some of the stories, from

503
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,559
the Gobbles Vampire to Ma Shandon's Mind to Maggie Wallas.

504
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: So I can. I can call on you again any time, anytime,

505
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:54,279
you know, because you are You're in and now you

506
00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:57,680
won't you won't. In fact, it's been really enjoyable listening

507
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,880
to you and what I say as well, do look

508
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,359
after yourself, won't you? You know, it's been lovely talking

509
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
to you because you've I do a little bit of

510
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,799
the cartoony Scottish thing, you know, and trying to be

511
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,599
funny with the toss and the caber and all that,

512
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,960
but you have actually the gift of storytelling. You've brought

513
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,880
it to life and I'll just say to you, like

514
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,119
good people are scarce, so do take care of yourself.

515
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,160
It's been an absolute pleasure to talk with you.

516
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,799
Speaker 2: Sally will Mark has been wonderful connecting me you mate.

517
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,519
Speaker 1: Thanks you, Billy, absolutely delicious, Thank you, I love you too.

518
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,759
Bye Ah.

519
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:32,039
Speaker 6: Okay, if you've got an Irish paranormal tale to tell,

520
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:38,519
simply email Paranormal Ireland at proton mail dot com and

521
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,240
it'll be read out for you. Oh you get to

522
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:47,160
teletone air yourself. That's Paranormal Ireland at proton mail dot com.

523
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh he's a mad rocket. Billy Kirkwood, master of the

524
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,640
universe and consultant done all things Scottish paranormal and a

525
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,359
great comedian as well. We shall certainly be using his

526
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,799
service as again what was that again? Beneath the last bit,

527
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,960
Guy are what?

528
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:03,559
Speaker 2: Guy?

529
00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:07,839
Speaker 1: Never mind? And my thanks as well also goes to

530
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,920
the lovely Sarah Campbell, English female voice artist and she

531
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160
may even dust check out that word. Yes, myself and

532
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,240
Billy and it was all thanks to her. You can

533
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,720
get her own voices one, two, three and Instagram Sarah

534
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:25,000
Campbell seven six ' three. That's Sarah Campbell. Bye bye bye.

535
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,400
Now we move on to a bit of class.

536
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 6: David McGlynn aka the Squire.

537
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,279
Speaker 1: Is busy in the bowels of scary era. Ay Dead David.

538
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 7: If the horror traffic in human flesh be not, by

539
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:43,640
some means or other prevented, the churchyards will not be

540
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,599
secure against the shovel of the midnight plunderer, nor the

541
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,799
public against the dagger of the midnight assessin. Madame de

542
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,839
Rubini Bar was an authoress of considerable talent, and published

543
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,400
an account of her life and sufferings during the French

544
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,640
Revolution in eighteen twenty two. She bequeaths her body for

545
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,720
dice section to the professor of Anatomy of Trinity College,

546
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,039
for the benefit of science. However, in the eighteenth century,

547
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,480
those who had not decided to protect their bodies after

548
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,480
death by offering them up to science or through funerary

549
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,599
monuments known as mortsafes, often became the victims of grave robbers,

550
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:20,680
resurrectionists and sacamups. Visit any graveyard in any part of

551
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,400
Ireland and you will find graves with steel railings attached

552
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,319
to their gravestones. This was due to a very legitimate

553
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,559
paranoia that after burial, as sackamup would desecrate their grave,

554
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:34,240
steal their body and sell it to the highest bidder.

555
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,720
Locally who practiced anatomy or a school of anatomy. By

556
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:40,240
the end of the eighteenth century, the study of medicine

557
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,880
was becoming increasingly popular in Ireland. The demand for corpses

558
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,759
came from the highest echelons of society and that of

559
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,680
the medical profession. New medical halls, as well as the

560
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,960
College of Surgeons, needed a regular supply of cadavers for

561
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,720
its doctors and students to dissect. The only corpses legally

562
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,440
available to surgeons were those of executed criminals. The law

563
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:04,119
stated that only convicted murderers who are condemned to hang

564
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,880
have their bodies dissected and be used by anatomists. As

565
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,119
anatomy was considered the most important subject on the eighteenth

566
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,079
century medical curriculum, the need for human cadavers to dissect

567
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,640
led to the growth of body snatching. For instance, Cokeley

568
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,960
has unearthed diaries that made it clear that James McCartney,

569
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,480
appointed Professor of Anatomy and Surgery to TCD in eighteen thirteen,

570
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,559
was actively involved in grave robbing. The graveyard for paupers

571
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,559
at the Dublin Hospital Fields Burial Ground, or as it

572
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,480
was widely known, Bully's Acre, which adjoined the grounds of

573
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,079
the Royal Hospital in Kilmainham was the one most frequently raided.

574
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Thank you the Squire. Back in a rolling moo where

575
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,240
I've got a lovely carry fireside chat lined obvio with

576
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:55,519
an amazing interesting guest, Mark Manning, and its down south.

577
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,799
We pay a visit. On the other end of the line,

578
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,759
I've got PJ. Sullivan from who Vogue Pooka explained.

579
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:05,319
Speaker 3: Pooka, of course is is obviously used in the in

580
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,960
the ghosts we'll say name per se and actually a

581
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960
lot of people have the Pooka name like you have

582
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,680
other other events that havist. But for us it's bookle

583
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,319
of course being involved in paranormal it ties in perfectly

584
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,599
what we do. We're Irish paranormal investigators. So we're Pooka

585
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,400
Vogue Paranormal. We're based in clanny Town, so of course

586
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,640
we're down south. We can be found anywhere. That's the

587
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,279
problem back, you could find us literally anywhere.

588
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh have you gone like around all the country?

589
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 3: Have you? Yeah? We do well to be honest with you,

590
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,799
most our investigations are probably up around the off of

591
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,279
the area, and of course we've done Wicklow Jail a

592
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,680
few rounds as well. But even I've done the Marcro's

593
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,519
plantation in Louisiana and I just come back from a

594
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,279
trip on Route sixty six, so of course popped into

595
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,839
a few locations on the way like Glical ghost Town,

596
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
and of course you have do it jail as well,

597
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,079
you know, but yeah, most of our investigations would be

598
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,920
around the country.

599
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: Wow. And is it like a weekend type thing you

600
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,160
do or once a month or.

601
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: Well, we try once a month. So we've just we've

602
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,079
just recently completed a three night lockdown in Redwood Castle

603
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,920
and learn and tipper area, and we'll have one more

604
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,759
investigation just before the year in and that will be

605
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,359
in Tarbot Scale and Bridewell and Dale and Jail and

606
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920
then of course we'll start the new year then hopefully

607
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,799
with the week of jail. Yeah, we could be found anywhere.

608
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,440
So our last one was Redwood Castle. We did it

609
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,440
the wee didn't just before Halloween. So when what we

610
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,000
do is we go into the location, we lock ourselves down,

611
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,680
which I sometimes with public, sometimes we're private, sometimes charity events.

612
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,240
We cover all angles. But for this one we had

613
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,119
limited guests Saturday night, regular guests with us again Sunday

614
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,119
night and then Monday night, we had a group, so

615
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,400
we cover all the bases, but we literally go to

616
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,759
the location, set up five to six cameras, get it ready.

617
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,039
Then when people come, if does anyone new, we give

618
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:55,920
them time to get used to this because of course

619
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,799
you're going to be around the building for the night

620
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,960
in the dark, and you want everyone to be comfortable

621
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,000
because you know, Jeeves, you're trying to build it up.

622
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,279
But yes, so that's what we do. We start our

623
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,839
investigation and we continue on till about three or four

624
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,119
in the morning, and then afterwards comes the hard part

625
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440
of reviewing fifty to sixty hours worth of footage from

626
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,440
the life fantastic.

627
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,519
Speaker 1: Let's just row back slightly and get some basic basic stats.

628
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:19,039
So how long has Pooka been an operation?

629
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,839
Speaker 3: Well, Pookavoge is in operation itself since around twenty twenty one.

630
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,519
I used to be I'm a panormal investigator for the

631
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,720
guts of twenty years, and I used to go with

632
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,279
the regular people all the time. But you know yourself,

633
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,400
life moves on, People move on to different things. So

634
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,279
in twenty twenty one, my mom was actually passing a

635
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,759
cancer and she was like, what are you doing sitting

636
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,799
at home, you love us, go back out there. So

637
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,799
then the idea began of Pookvoge paranormal, so of course

638
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,119
set it up. My son is on the team with me.

639
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,720
He's grown up with paranormal, his life has been seeing

640
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880
the footage. So that was two. Then of course, as

641
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,960
partner Eva, we have regular guests and friends that come

642
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,400
along with us, Kooker family. We call it a Pookavog family.

643
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Now to see because in this world you do get

644
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:03,559
to meet some amazing people.

645
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you do. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt,

646
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,640
but can I just ask what the motivation was to

647
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,200
begin with?

648
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: For me, where it all started was. I was probably

649
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,400
about maybe about fifteen or so, and myself and a

650
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,640
friend were staying in a house. Now, two separate minds,

651
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,200
two separate people. We both walk up in the middle

652
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,240
of the night and seeing like a sea, two shape

653
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,440
of a man run across the bottom of the room

654
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,880
of the second floor. So, as I said, you have

655
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,200
two separate minds, two separate people both seeing the same thing. Yes,

656
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,920
I mean, you know the way in life you put

657
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,319
something into a box and you forget about it, but

658
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,279
like that, it niggles away and then one day I

659
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,440
just went, okay, I need to start checking this out.

660
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,039
So I I started with people that knew what they

661
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,279
were doing, and of course started learning the trade from

662
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,359
then and joining them and next thing it built from there,

663
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,119
and of course that's what's made us where we're actually.

664
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200
So of course it is two generations, and we do

665
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,880
go into locations were locked down for the night because

666
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,960
a manor house, it could be a castle, it could

667
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,599
be a jail. Every location there is like even for example,

668
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,640
you know Ducker's.

669
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: Cloth and Carlos, Oh, I know the name Duck.

670
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: It's stuck.

671
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: It's great, I know of it. Yes, I do. Is

672
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200
that an old big mansion or correct?

673
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,319
Speaker 3: Now? Fortunately it's falling into a lot of disrepair and

674
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,799
the inside rooms have been closed that. But we were

675
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,240
the last set of Irish investigators inside there today for

676
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,839
the night, so we did the courtyard within near the ruins.

677
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Just roughly, how many investigations have you been on from

678
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,279
the get go?

679
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,079
Speaker 3: Oh for the number on it, I suppose you could

680
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:36,039
be talking anything from ten to twenty years. Wow, about

681
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,160
twenty so well over four hundred, i'd say. And we're

682
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,119
kind of diverse as well, because one member is veronicaunch

683
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,480
is actually Polish. We all bring something different to the

684
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,319
Book of Family at the Book of vote Family, and

685
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,559
I always say it's a nice little bit of diversity,

686
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,720
Like for example, I did Kerry private location and as

687
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,960
a paranormal researcher search or an investigator, you're always looking

688
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920
for the answer instead of going straight to It's part

689
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,440
of normal, you know what I mean. So we were

690
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,599
doing a location and the lady that owned the place

691
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,119
was not Irish. We did her restaurant within our house.

692
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440
We our male vice in the restaurant captured an EVP,

693
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,359
but in the house we captured something. Couldn't understand it,

694
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,400
make it out data for the owner to see if

695
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,119
it's a regularized She knew a regular pattern should The

696
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
answer was right in front of it. She wasn't Irish.

697
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,839
It was actually in her language and she recognized the device.

698
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,119
So I love that because I can barely speak English.

699
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,759
Of course, when you haven't, you have an EVP coming

700
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,680
true in a different language where it's connected to the owner.

701
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,680
That to me was a fantastic catch.

702
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:36,079
Speaker 1: So hundreds of investigations you would have gone to all

703
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,680
the well known places. I'm guessing the Kennedy castles if

704
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,000
you mentioned awfully, so Leap or Leppt Castle must be

705
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,480
in the equation somewhere.

706
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm going to left with Jesus was well over

707
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,720
ten years and going to Sean and Ryano left, so like, well,

708
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,799
you see you have an icicle nest there an athlete

709
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,279
because you have left castle at about ten twelve minutes

710
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,599
away of Kennity and then on the other side of Borrow, PJ.

711
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:03,519
Speaker 2: Is that that close?

712
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're literally less than a fifteen minute drive.

713
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: I've done the Kennedy thing, all right. It's always fascinated

714
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:09,880
me that.

715
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. And of course then there used to be a

716
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,559
castle that used to be open to the public and

717
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,880
used to do investigations plane and of course there's one

718
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,799
in the weekendsidering earlier homes we investigated so much to

719
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,279
the year Redwood Castle in Lauren and Jibray. And that's

720
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,519
probably for us, that's our dual because of course when

721
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,640
we're going back, it's like we're going back to home

722
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,160
when we go there for a base camp.

723
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,039
Speaker 1: The word base camp, I think it's emphasizing to me

724
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,599
that the way you approach this is very much not

725
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,200
like let's have a go it's a very professional investigation

726
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,599
by the sounds of it, and so is your mindset?

727
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,839
Would that be correct?

728
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:50,119
Speaker 3: Now it goes two folds like for us, absolutely, we

729
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,880
like what we do. We take very serious. It is

730
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,200
professional what we do. Now on the other side, we

731
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,279
are responsible for people, be the regular guests or be

732
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,359
there somebody new, So we have to have an element

733
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,279
of safety both. We don't go in saying everything's paranormal.

734
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,720
We just way we do say we are nonprofit. We're

735
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,159
not putting on a show. People say ghosts, they could

736
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,400
be ghost spare man woman. I prefer men and woman

737
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,719
if I lived. But I always say, we can't guarantee

738
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
anybody anything to investigate. They're more than welcome's coming along

739
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880
with this, and after that it's up to the It's

740
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,400
up to the building. It's up to the people in

741
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,039
the building for what happens on the night.

742
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: And how many people would you have on a typical investigation.

743
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,559
Speaker 3: Well, I like to keep the numbers low because, as

744
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,639
I say, we are nonprofit, I'm not out to make money.

745
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,599
So and for me, it's the quality of investigations, so

746
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,840
you do have to get people comfortable. For me, I

747
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,320
like to keep it intimate. Generally, generally ten is the

748
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,320
number I go for, but it could be eight, could

749
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,039
be six, could be level. That's generally where I'm around.

750
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: And are people up all night or do sleeping bags

751
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:45,639
get employed?

752
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,159
Speaker 3: Well, when we go we lockdown for the night and

753
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,199
people have the option of either staying or if they

754
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,079
want to go home at the ens no problem at all,

755
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,079
because it's not everyone's cup of tea. And I always

756
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,960
say you need patience, because if you have no patience,

757
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,599
you really don't become paranormal investigators. We're sitting around in

758
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:03,760
the dark for hours of the night. Yes, to take

759
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,039
regular breaks, but if you're someone that has no basis

760
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,800
to forget it, we would generally start to around. I

761
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,800
guess we'll come after have base. We would start investigating

762
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280
a half nine or ten, depending courses winter or summer,

763
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,760
and we will continue investigating till about three or four

764
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,800
in the morning. But again it's down to the building.

765
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,320
If it's a bit of a flat night, we could

766
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,559
be finished by three. If it's active, we could be

767
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:26,119
going to four. We can we can't script. I suppose

768
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:27,199
that's the best way to put it.

769
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,559
Speaker 1: To People arrive on these investigations and some of them

770
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,079
are probably revved up for something to happen. They're in

771
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,440
that mindset of expectation. Now that's I think when imaginations

772
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,280
can run riot. You are you are very level aheaded.

773
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:44,480
Do you try and temper these people at all as

774
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:45,320
to what to expect?

775
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: Yes, we try to make them a little bit fun

776
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,800
as you go along because it is a long night.

777
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,679
But you could be in a room at moy eleven o'clock,

778
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,360
you could be down there. I always say, once you

779
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,079
turn off the lights, dim everything after strip it back,

780
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,960
you are actually the best paranormal tool for investigating yourself,

781
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,159
coming back to level headed. Before anyone comes with me,

782
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,320
I always make a point of speaking with them if

783
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,119
there's someone that hasn't been with me before, just to

784
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,360
remind them of how it goes goes because of mind

785
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,280
that super so I prefer to break it all back,

786
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,760
letting them know this is not going to be a

787
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,039
horror house. This is going to be a paranormal investigation.

788
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,119
So I already set the mindset when they come and

789
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,480
basically will always be comfortable. Get people comfortable, that nice

790
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,960
feeling before you go and turn off the light, and

791
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:28,880
that's where it really builds from there. Like for example,

792
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,800
even what I love is when you have an empty

793
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,599
room and the cameras capture something in the background, but

794
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,079
yet there's nobody in the room. That's what I love

795
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,239
when there's something to actually back it up. And then

796
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,719
if I see something and there's a natural reason, of

797
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360
course I'll say what the natural reason is. Like for example,

798
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,039
we don't bring under eighteen year olds, we don't bring kids.

799
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to act in the market basically well,

800
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:49,960
and of.

801
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: Course, like I did some people, like anything can happen.

802
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,000
To know, you have to be safety wise as well.

803
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,079
But then we recently did Tarbart Bridewell Jailhouse courthouse in

804
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,960
jail and to the guests that were just on start

805
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:03,760
the night Halloween they were with us in Tabart, we

806
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,800
played an EZP we captured it was a child lasting

807
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,079
in the background and it was great for them because

808
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,199
we had no children there. We don't bring children in lockdown,

809
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,280
so for them to hear that, it was great from

810
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,159
a personal point of view for them as well because

811
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,960
they were able to witness stand the night we did

812
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,840
not have children there. So that's what I love. I

813
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,159
love when when it's something that you know for sure,

814
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,599
you can't rule out. Like I always say, I share

815
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:26,239
a lot of what we get on our Instagram and

816
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,880
our Facebook, but I have to say it's up to

817
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,880
you to decide. But then they're gonna share, there'll be

818
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,440
something I can send over as in, there's no reasonable

819
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,719
explanation for this happening.

820
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: What constitutes a lockdown? So like what are the dos

821
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,840
and don'ts or what's the setup before you go live?

822
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,159
Speaker 3: Okay, So what we do is we usually we get

823
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,960
there earlier, We set up the castle, manor house, whatever

824
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,039
it is we set up beforehand. Then we would have

825
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,840
whoever it's joining us at night, come around day tutte,

826
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,079
let them all get used to each other, and then

827
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,280
at around half nine ten lights go off. We usually started.

828
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,599
For example, if it was red Woll, we started the

829
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,039
ground floor, would build up through all the floors, go

830
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,880
through each one, and then pending on how the building

831
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
is reacting on what we're getting, will tweak to suit.

832
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,519
Like for example, you me into the left castle in

833
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,199
left castles there's the bloody chapel at the very top.

834
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,119
So of course if we're getting movement or pabjects have

835
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,400
been moved there, we'll focus there, but if something is

836
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,599
happening on a lower ground floor, will go to there.

837
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,360
And in Redwood Castle, it's like cat mouse. You could

838
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,480
be in one room and you see we use device

839
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,360
like trigger alarms, touch objects, things that are so light,

840
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,519
easy work with from you don't have to spend crazy money,

841
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,880
but you just want to get an alarm or so forth.

842
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,719
And it often brings us when we're in a room

843
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
doing investigations to take it's a different room, so you

844
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,199
can't so you can't plan down to how everything will go,

845
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,360
but you'll have a general rule of how it goes.

846
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,280
The other thing, of course, is footwear safety. They're all

847
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,519
the basic.

848
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,159
Speaker 1: Course and a hornet's nest. I'd imagine when it would

849
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,840
come to litigation and all I hope they sign lots

850
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,320
of forms before they absolutely take up their positions for them.

851
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,519
Speaker 3: And we're very lucky, was the people that have come

852
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,320
down to the years, even people that come with us

853
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,039
once a few have become regular guests. And as I said,

854
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,000
that's why they're like we'd say the group about family,

855
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,440
because I don't believe in like hierachers, we're all there

856
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,440
for one reason, experience or investigative research, whatever, tagline. You

857
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,199
put this both, you're left with more questions than answers.

858
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,239
But I do like validation. For example, another paranormal group

859
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,960
days we go jail as we did, and we both

860
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:27,320
captured the same name downstairs in the same area. So

861
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,480
spraysingly have another team that captures something similar or the same.

862
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,280
In Redwood Castle, we've got a lady singing. They also

863
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,159
got it. We've also got a female advice. So spray

864
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,559
as well when you have good groups that you can't

865
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:40,199
compare notes with as well, PJ.

866
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: I recently put out my trawling net for contributors. I

867
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,719
had one person come back and she said, this paranormal

868
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,880
group is defunct. She said, we were at it for

869
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,719
many years. We went all around the place and we

870
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360
never got anything. But you know what she said, PJ.

871
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,440
And she wouldn't have been the first Wicklow jail. She

872
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:06,480
said she was in a cell. She asked the question,

873
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,679
she got a yes on the EVP, and to her credit,

874
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,800
she didn't claim anything else. She wasn't saying ghost. I

875
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,679
know investigations, paranormal investigations are a waste of time or

876
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960
anything like it, but she it's funny that she just

877
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,679
said it was Wicklow Jail, and I heard somebody else

878
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,039
saying this receis seems to be very active down there.

879
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: It is like that now as I say, like we

880
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,880
are last, but that there was maybe last February and

881
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,480
a certain pattern of evince was one of the cells

882
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,480
happened again. But as I say, the great thing is

883
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,559
to get to say in names and avp as somebody else. Absolutely,

884
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,760
and like that's why we'll say a Redwood castle for

885
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,320
the location. Because you have so many different rooms of

886
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,679
floors and the sound is all closed. It makes it

887
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,960
that bit more with say better for an investigation because

888
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,360
you know, you can isolate so many nights that thing.

889
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,519
You also be conscious of background.

890
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,079
Speaker 1: Or nice of course extus and of.

891
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: Course exactly and in the course that castle, there's a

892
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,000
chapel and there's a room called the pri Room, like

893
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,440
for example, I was there with guests on I think

894
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,760
it was on the Sunday night. We're in the PRIs

895
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,360
room and literally twice and these are the old doors

896
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,320
of the left where you can let me shut. The

897
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480
door actually open twice in the room while we're doing

898
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,840
a session insider, whereas on a previous investigation the door

899
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,880
was you know, someone's grabbing a handle and they're like

900
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,280
pushing a door in and out to get in.

901
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, struggling.

902
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: So that's will we got the last time. So it's

903
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,760
great to see that gain. It had built a bit more.

904
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,199
Speaker 1: When PJ. Sullivan is in his the winter of his years,

905
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,880
and let's just say he's having a I don't know

906
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,679
if you take a drinking, he's having a molt.

907
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: So came here of course I've mutual Irish blood.

908
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,199
Speaker 1: Me and he's having a molt by an open fire.

909
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,639
He's away on a weekend somewhere, and he begins to

910
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:50,679
reflect on all his time of paranormal investigation on the

911
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Septred Isle of Ireland. What would be the highlights that

912
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,840
would jump out at you?

913
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,199
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose my height. I've often said like there

914
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,679
in mine I could watch sixty years or the footage

915
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,800
for maybe five minutes worth both. I always said, if

916
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,679
everything that I've seen or saw happened in one night,

917
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,159
you'd probably never sleep again. The big one for me

918
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,800
is like that I had my T shirt clubbed in

919
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,079
Redwood Chapel. There was two cameras and to capture us. Then,

920
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,719
as I say, we had the vice of a lady

921
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,360
a vice of a child. We've had the lasting of

922
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,760
the child in Target, Gale, Bridewad and Gale. Then you've

923
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,559
had we'll say, objects move, so like you've had so

924
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,880
many things shadows like even for example, I did a

925
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,480
live in Redwood with the regular gifts. We're all in

926
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,480
the room on the live, so you can clear everybody clear,

927
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
and I can't whistle on bruces for whistling. I said

928
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,440
to myself Leo, I said, whistle and we'll ask them copies.

929
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,880
And a whistle echoed back up the stairs to us

930
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,639
while we were even on the live. So that's why

931
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,960
I love both. You end up for more questions because

932
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,159
you're still trying to figure out who is it, why

933
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,960
they're there, You're trying to find their story. So every

934
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360
time you go away you find something on the cameras,

935
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,000
you're going back with a new set of questions. So

936
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,199
you always end up with more and more questions than answers.

937
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,880
That's the thing. But as I say, when you've when

938
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,599
you felt like someone is standing into their nose, or

939
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,639
for example, I was lying in the ground the Left

940
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,679
Chapel and the Bloody Chapel and there was another investigator

941
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,199
with misues against the walls that the camera be joined me.

942
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,400
I lay down. We were getting activity near the abeliite,

943
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:16,719
and because we know a beliefs and we were getting

944
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,159
activity from that area. So I lay in the ground

945
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,840
as an Irish medal on me, and I was like,

946
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,920
come forward, to come towards me, knocking off. It was obviously,

947
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,880
of course this castle was in a lot of history,

948
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,760
sure enough, just two people in that room, everybody else

949
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
threet floors down, one with a camera on me and

950
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,320
I lying on the ground of the gravel in the dark,

951
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,000
and all you could hear was the stones moving underneath,

952
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,039
coming closer and closer and closer, and in the course

953
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,400
the metal move. But that's what I love. I love

954
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,800
the fact that you can have intelligent For example, we

955
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,719
were doing an investigation even there recently, an I said

956
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,199
can you use your vice to communicate with us? We

957
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,159
paid back to dictable at the time. We got an

958
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,840
easy t of okay, when I guess that's the question.

959
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,360
Later around that night in a similar area, was it

960
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,280
then that being moved the object or at the door?

961
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,800
They got back to yes. So that's what I love.

962
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,840
I love it when you're investigating it to find out

963
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,880
more for the story.

964
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered anything that you felt was just

965
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,400
pure evil or demonic.

966
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,119
Speaker 3: Well not dramatic per se like of course, let Castle

967
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:21,280
Dolf have an element of black magic in there. I

968
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,280
have myself and two other gifts were in an area.

969
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,079
We could smell like rotting flesh, and there was two

970
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,800
ladies and myself. The next thing, I was talking, but

971
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,800
another male vice came overrom it, and on a separate investigation,

972
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,920
a female vice came over on the dictive phone. But

973
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,239
you could you could feel the ear in it. You could,

974
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,840
That's what I'm saying. You could be in a room, you

975
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,039
could feel split. You could go back an hour later.

976
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,039
It could feel very heavy. You could just notice the difference.

977
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,519
But left Castle be in one, but the other one,

978
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,400
my biggest one was probably a week to go jails.

979
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,800
I was inside, you could time into the group. I

980
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,679
was standing by the wall. The only way I can

981
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,519
explain it to you, and I am a level headed person.

982
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,280
It's like someone was standing into my nose, hit the

983
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,159
head with me, but I knew there was nobody there,

984
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,320
no physical then. The only way to stage was just

985
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,320
like they put their head through me and I ran,

986
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,039
and I yes, and there was a bit investigator. I

987
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,760
did run, and I'm a fatlan so running isn't by forty,

988
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,599
but I did run as the night went on, because

989
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:14,599
I actually was going to leave the investigation. It gave

990
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,000
me such uneasy. I was like, I'm ouse and done.

991
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,400
Of course, then I settled, went back into this with

992
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:21,639
the game, with the head back in the game. But

993
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,679
as the night was going on, my face was getting

994
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,559
hotter and hotter r on one side. So by morning,

995
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,920
spinning the whole night to these people, my cheek bone

996
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,960
was burning hotty to put the hand on my space

997
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,199
and there was like three maxims, So of course that

998
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,599
was my initiation, my first time there. Then of course

999
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,760
we learned about Check the jailer and how he used

1000
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,920
to brand people, and of course I was in his

1001
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,840
cell at that time. So then, as I say, last February,

1002
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,679
I tried an experiment where Eva, who's from the partnership

1003
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,719
on the team. I put Eva into the same cell,

1004
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,480
but I didn't tell her which cell it was. I

1005
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,039
wanted to see what was happening. I went to the

1006
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,199
next door cell. Sure enough, they started feeling the uneasy

1007
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,760
they felt they were tug jets a lasted mimicking the

1008
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,760
same heaveness that I had experienced years before. So again

1009
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,599
that gives more we'll say, more clarification to it as.

1010
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, vindicated totally.

1011
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 3: And that's what I like to I like to see

1012
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,679
things over level, thaying fields both as to say a

1013
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,599
fe have a camera like I clipped there on the

1014
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,360
side where a few of the camera facing is there.

1015
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,719
Nobody comes up, nobody goes down. Next thing is going

1016
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,199
A male vice at the back saying help me. There's

1017
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,400
no physical person there, is it? What can we do?

1018
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever come to a place that you felt

1019
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,679
perhaps a deja vu connection.

1020
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: With and in a way I suppose I do with

1021
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,800
with Redwood Castle as we go so much, but.

1022
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,159
Speaker 1: I picked up on that you mentioned it quite a

1023
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:43,039
few times.

1024
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,039
Speaker 3: That's right, because that would mean that's a lot of

1025
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:48,599
our investigations, but with different people and different like even

1026
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,239
for example of Rebecca mc redmonds as a singer in Golwet,

1027
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,519
she was on an investigation with a stair once I

1028
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,800
wanted to use music with a building energy of the

1029
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,280
building and her dress gets tugged and she's just before it.

1030
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,800
Eva says the room has gone very thin. I watched

1031
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,639
back the footage for two legs around the ground or

1032
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,360
addressed us float outwards, and I'll never forget the fear

1033
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,760
that was inter at that time. So there these are

1034
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,320
all the things like to any person that go is crazy.

1035
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,400
I always say it is now my face, convince anyone.

1036
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,880
I'll share what I find that I see I'm standing

1037
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,800
over and I let people make their own mind up.

1038
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,679
But if you think about Tarborth, Bridewell, children's vices, EVPs,

1039
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:26,480
objects being triggered, if you think about Chloe Jail, if

1040
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:30,000
you think about we'll say Tinnity, castles, left Castle, all

1041
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,039
these buildings. But I do say it's a numbers game.

1042
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,119
How many people have passed, how many people have gone

1043
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,440
through them? Is it residual? Is it to the person.

1044
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920
So that's the thing I often say, the numbers don't

1045
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,480
add up. But all I can do is keep investigating.

1046
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any investigations in court.

1047
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: In Kurk I did private private public house a private

1048
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,840
public house in court that it was a bad things

1049
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,400
that happened to staff they captured in CCTV. But most

1050
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,320
of it is probably up the country. I suppose a

1051
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,119
good one as well is have you ever heard the

1052
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:01,719
Mertals plantation in Louisiana.

1053
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,599
Speaker 1: I've narrated bits for over the voice over business, I do. Yeah,

1054
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:07,280
I've heard about it.

1055
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I friends of ours at Marygren. Of course,

1056
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,719
when you're a paranormal investigator and you're so close to location,

1057
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,840
you kind of got I have to go. So I

1058
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,360
went out there and that I booked in for the

1059
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,039
night and I was staying until morning. But when I

1060
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,079
got there, I realized I was the only guest. There

1061
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,039
was nobody else there, and the groundkeeper was living in

1062
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,159
the cottage on the ground because this was free the fire,

1063
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,239
the fire a few years ago. But that night I

1064
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,119
was investigating upstairs in the general's room. The only way

1065
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,960
is staying at two is I was doing my call

1066
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,480
out of trying. I felt, you know the place, you

1067
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,800
can feel it, but I wasn't getting much, not that

1068
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,320
I knew of. When I watched back my footage, because

1069
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,039
I walk on one stage of the night, I thought

1070
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,000
there was actually somebody in the bay, but there was,

1071
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,000
of course nobody there. But it did wake me to

1072
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,559
start watching back the footage. There's a girl's voice, and

1073
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,519
of course they have the story of Chloe and sure

1074
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:59,280
enough there going on two there was nobody and you'd

1075
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,679
know the toe. So that's what I love. I love

1076
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,519
when it's something that the course, Like in the morning,

1077
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:06,639
I had slept, well, I had slept through that. Do

1078
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,719
you know they were going in to tell you set

1079
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,480
the larm at three the residence. It's aften being seen

1080
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:15,639
and hard. I left there thanking them great experience, use location,

1081
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,719
not knowing what I was yet.

1082
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: To see, just amazing.

1083
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,559
Speaker 3: It's a crazy it's a crazy life being a parent

1084
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:22,400
orm investigator.

1085
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: But do you get what do you get to get

1086
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,239
to sleep afterwards? After all that?

1087
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: You're always wreckted? Like that's what I mean at the

1088
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,920
moment now since Halloween, because we have the three night lockdown,

1089
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,679
Like at that stage, you're talking sixty and twenty one

1090
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000
hundred and eighty hours worth of footage to trawl through

1091
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,039
and in your course because it's non popular working full time,

1092
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,679
so it takes me a bit of time to get

1093
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,599
through everything, but it is passionate's what we do.

1094
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: Great question for you as well. So I'm thinking myself, Okay,

1095
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,280
the Kennedy Castles, the Leppe Castle, Charlesville, is that another

1096
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,519
one or Charliville, Charlieville, so they're all you know, and

1097
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,239
the and the Wicklow Jail and the health Our Club.

1098
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,199
Speaker 3: Do you ever do the health Yes. Now I haven't

1099
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,440
done a full lockdown investigation. There's actually a fellow par

1100
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,199
Ourn investigators in Ireland. They do quite a lot, but

1101
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,000
just for logistics and security in lockdown it's one I've

1102
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,079
never done a camera lockdown. And the course there's no

1103
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,519
electricity as you know, so I often see if you

1104
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,719
took with a Ducket's growth, at least it's outside, but

1105
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,679
at least you have electricity of pinints. Topical for me,

1106
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,440
I like to be able to show what I do

1107
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,159
and what I see and what I hear, and of

1108
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,559
course logistically for the Healthfire Club, it doesn't have what

1109
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,239
I could do for a full investigation. It's like, for example,

1110
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,239
in Dukett's growth, my son Leo was coming up the

1111
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,239
yard and he actually hard device at the time and

1112
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,920
he stops dead in his tracks and the camera cut

1113
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,280
it and also cut device. So that's the thing. The

1114
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,719
Health Ore for me is harder logistically for what I do.

1115
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Ireland, as you know, has a very ancient past as well.

1116
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,280
Have you ever kind of gone around the druid or

1117
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,960
the Stone Age monument type. Have you ever an outdoor

1118
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,320
even as opposed to any Yeah, I know I've done.

1119
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,079
Speaker 3: I've done well, say like that, and on on a

1120
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,039
personal level, I suppose more so than the pook of

1121
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,119
old level. But I have often gone to the stone

1122
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,760
circles and I would bring things like a k too,

1123
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,280
an addictive phone just to see what I capture und

1124
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,360
them there. Now, I'll be very honest with you to days,

1125
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,239
I haven't post. It's so hard in the elements to mean,

1126
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,800
it's so hard and like you're literally relying on you

1127
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,280
could be set to go next you get their raining,

1128
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,079
the wind, you know what I mean, experience then and

1129
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,039
personal in them.

1130
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,199
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm thinking, is there stone circles near Kennedy as well?

1131
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: There is, indeed, and there's plenty even around us here

1132
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,079
and carry there's many fields you're going to that you're

1133
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,599
going to see them, you know, there's so many locations

1134
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,039
around the country and it's to be fair, That's why

1135
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,039
I like to support these places. Like even if you

1136
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,559
look at Dept Castle, Sean Ryan is the caretaker, the keeper.

1137
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,079
It's his baby. He's trying to preserve us. If you

1138
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,440
look at Redwood that was actually at one stage in

1139
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,320
the thirteen hundred totally empty destride four walls, and these

1140
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,679
people have brought them back to what we've see today.

1141
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,000
They're preserving the history as well, but that's the thing,

1142
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,360
and each of them come with their own story, that's right.

1143
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that man what's his name again? In

1144
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,599
left Castle shown as a Sean Ryan.

1145
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:09,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1146
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,599
Speaker 1: I mean it's a labor of love with him.

1147
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:14,079
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I've asked been shared with Sean some of

1148
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,639
the captures we've got there, I have to sit down

1149
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,239
or he'd ask us in the morning, how did we

1150
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,599
get on? But I love Sean's thinking, but of course

1151
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:22,079
it is there's home as well, and he Goes. I

1152
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,559
don't call him Goes. They're just people I cannot see.

1153
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,840
I like his thinking of it.

1154
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: When you say findings, you know, photographic findings, what's the

1155
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,440
most bizarre or is there anything that actually looks looks

1156
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,239
so real that you cannot mistake it for anything else

1157
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,000
but as a spirit or what about How do you

1158
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:38,880
feel about orbs?

1159
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: I would say light enomally is more so than urbs,

1160
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,119
because urbs can be an awful lot of dust, movements

1161
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,400
very hard to decipher, whereas if you have a room

1162
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,679
that's static and there's nothing with it, there's no cosmic

1163
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,119
pattern of orbs or dust or whatever, but yet you

1164
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:56,119
get you're getting a light normally coming straight across or

1165
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,800
going as angle. I always room in just to see

1166
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,320
if there are tail Is there any insect I wouldn't

1167
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,519
take them at safe failure. But what I do like

1168
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,000
is I use a last insects because of course from

1169
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,800
the digital world, people can manipulate any type of picture.

1170
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,880
So I like to go old school if I use

1171
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,840
the insects that you like to pull the right long ago.

1172
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,480
And of course, like for example, now there was a stairs,

1173
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,840
you know, the spiral stairs. We can see to each step.

1174
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,199
So we had movement at the top of the Great Hall,

1175
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,360
the top of Redwood, and it was coming from one area.

1176
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,039
So we were like, if you're there, can you stand

1177
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,639
in the photograph? Can we see you like a picture

1178
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:31,360
trying to relate to the mister what it would have

1179
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,880
been in their time. Sure enough, there's a black a

1180
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,639
total black mass in the center blocking out some of

1181
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:41,360
the steps. And of course we always take two photographs

1182
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,159
because if something is generally in both something natural. If

1183
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,719
it's only in one, then of course you're getting a question.

1184
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,519
So I said, we're going to take a second one.

1185
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,920
Can you show me again use our energy? So forth

1186
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,960
second picture it was louder, So two pictures of the

1187
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,280
same stairs where there should be a gap where you

1188
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,280
can see the steps totally black thoughts in different areas.

1189
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,719
So for for that reason, that's what I like. Now

1190
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,280
I have a previous investigators, but I don't own their footage.

1191
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,960
I did see a shadow literally we're all standing in

1192
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,960
a circle hand to hand foot to us, and I've

1193
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,199
seen a shadow run across the room. But that was

1194
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,960
a mind that was theirs. But they did get to

1195
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,880
experience it. It's very hard to get that full operational

1196
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,480
front of deal.

1197
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: And auditory or is it at the evp end of things?

1198
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,320
Anyone's nearly take the head off you when you're listening

1199
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,679
back through your headset. Now anything really.

1200
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,119
Speaker 3: Like for example, we were in we were upstairs in

1201
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,199
us the kitchen area of Tarbet, Bridewell and jail, and

1202
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:42,119
we were all of us to together in one to

1203
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,119
one area. We were playing back after hearing the questions,

1204
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,320
and we actually got an audio at the time and

1205
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,480
you could see the reaction by everyone that I love that.

1206
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:52,239
But you can see how genu wine it is. Get out,

1207
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,880
get out. So we didn't want to start. And that

1208
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,159
sometimes happens because when you hear words like get or

1209
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,000
you hear will they get out? You two question them

1210
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,400
to know what do they want us there? Yes, when

1211
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,280
you hear those, it can make the hair stand and

1212
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,639
to have you really stand up to attentions. You know

1213
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,280
if your name is called, because that has happened where

1214
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,480
like people's names have often been called on an e VP. Yes,

1215
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,679
so that's really how intelligent the person you're you're communicating

1216
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,679
with it. If they're actually able to call your name,

1217
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,760
that's how intelligent they are that they now know who

1218
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,599
you are. You have introduced yourself and they're calling your name.

1219
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,280
So that's what I love. I love the fact that

1220
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,079
it's there, you hear it, you capture it. It's brilliant

1221
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:33,960
for the people on the night. But I always want

1222
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,440
to know more.

1223
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Okay, PJ, before we wrap up quickly, right, three things

1224
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,280
before I forget them. I have a bit of an

1225
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,880
obsession with lighthouses. Have you tried any lighthouses?

1226
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,159
Speaker 3: No? Both won't light you. I am the same myself.

1227
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:48,119
I've been trying to get into a few for a

1228
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:52,599
long time and I won't light you. It's a bucket list.

1229
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I've hired the old wicklow Head. It's

1230
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,960
beautiful now you can. I think it's Heritage Island or whatever.

1231
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,840
You Yeah, I did loop Head last year the year

1232
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,880
before last, and a place called Blackhead, which is up

1233
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,360
an antrum.

1234
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: I think, yeah that when I'm not familiar with. No,

1235
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:13,800
to be honestly to the other.

1236
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: Two, yes, yeah, and it's funny experience by well, it

1237
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:20,400
was in Looped You know. It's funny because this is

1238
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,360
called Scary Era. And you might remember during the Second

1239
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,199
World War, Era was written around in big rocks around

1240
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,159
the coasts so the bombers could identify that we were

1241
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:35,719
neutral supposedly. Yes, And so one night I we actually

1242
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,800
did find ourselves looking for Era because it was there

1243
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,679
somewhere in Stone, but all the gorse and all plantation

1244
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,880
had grown over it. So I'm just thinking back a

1245
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,480
windy night we all went out around the Looped lighthouse

1246
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,599
looking for Era. We did actually find it in the

1247
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,840
end as well. Okay, the other two are say fairies

1248
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,760
are the little people anything like that.

1249
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,119
Speaker 3: Yes, so as I say, like a lot of it

1250
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,760
will be evp where you get the bight more so

1251
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,039
than I think both in saying that when you see

1252
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:05,800
an object being pushed with force and like you are

1253
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,800
trying to decipher is it adult? Is a child? What

1254
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,159
is it? Who is it? So of course that does

1255
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,199
bring an element of who again who are we dealing with?

1256
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: And final one where I let you go for your

1257
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,079
Sunday dinner because mine's waiting.

1258
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: Yes, we all grew up, of course with the Benchie

1259
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,280
and especially the what's that story? Each other? Adie Linningham,

1260
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,960
I think he was any one of my age group.

1261
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,119
We've all grown up with the Benchie. I've never heard

1262
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:35,639
the Benchie. We've all heard the stories because of course

1263
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,079
there's so much both folklore back in the day. But

1264
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,039
the only thing I suppose that could relate to is

1265
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:43,719
I was asked to a cemetery, which is normally not

1266
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,719
where I do but our last to do it. And

1267
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,719
we were outside a specific area and we could smell

1268
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760
the incidant. We were standing there saying goodbye, we've actually finished.

1269
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,159
We could smell the infants, and when I quizzed back

1270
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,320
again with them when I'm back with the findings, they

1271
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,960
were saying where we were standing longo be it a

1272
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,920
character rehearse, they still take the body to take the

1273
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,800
coffins out there and do the instance around them, because

1274
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,719
that might have said, like we were standing in the

1275
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:09,800
middle of a funeral. That's the only way I can

1276
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,519
explain it to you.

1277
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: Yes, so there was this sense.

1278
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,719
Speaker 3: Can smell it. There wasn't just one yesson or an

1279
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,639
idea part of suggestion, but it was something everyone could

1280
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:21,679
smell at the time. And I always say it is

1281
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,599
one that sends out to me as well. It was right,

1282
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:25,320
we were actually standing in the middle of a funeral

1283
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,800
at that moment in time. But no, Benchie, I'm afraid.

1284
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,599
Speaker 1: So you should be be afraid, be very afraid if

1285
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,760
you're listening to scary Era. My thanks to PJ. Sullivan

1286
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,119
from Pooka Vogue Paranormal right the Hoe. Remember, if you've

1287
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,599
got an Irish paranormal story and it need not necessarily

1288
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,360
be Irish, get in touch with us Paranormal Ireland at

1289
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,880
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1290
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,039
hearing from Lucas Bowls. If you pardon the expression no no,

1291
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,199
The same as the drink. He's actually a lovely guy,

1292
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,239
a Belgian film director, and he's got a story for us,

1293
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,480
all about a haunted house on the Belgium Holland border.

1294
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,559
I Mark Manning. Somebody has to be from Ireland. Good

1295
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,199
night or good morning, wherever you are. Take care because

1296
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I care.