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Speaker 2: Meryl Good?
Speaker 1: How are you a PETE doing good? Doing good? You
were on in August because you were promoting the fact
that you were forming at that point, you didn't. I
think the website was like brand new, like a couple
of days new for your anti Zionist Political Action Committee.
And I think I told you somebody got really mad
at me because I warned you, you know, maybe not
have pets, maybe not fly maybe that kind of thing.
But it seems like everything's going and going forward. So
give us some updates on what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Sure, So you know, we've had a really big boost.
We put out a video I think it was November
seventeenth or so, caused a massive spike in our hits.
On the video itself, it'd gotten well over a million
views just on one post and then there were seven others,
and it got a lot of press. It brought in
a lot of donations which are still flowing. So we've
we've been doing really well. It's uh, we're more than
up and running now. We're we're definitely heading towards full
speed at this juncture. Uh, and we've as we endorsed
three candidates and funded them to some extent, and we're
going to be making a slate of endorsements very soon
about seven or eight other candidates we're going to endorse
and fund some of them, will fund most of them actually,
So yeah, it's going, it's going well. I haven't had
any death threats yet or attempts, and so far, I
haven't detected any child porn on my computer, which they
could pour it up to it at any time.
Speaker 1: That just tells me that you and at any two
hundred is busy right now. They you know, they have
they haven't noticed you yet. The yeah, that's a very
real thing. Karayaku, John Karayaku former CIA. Now, whenever we
say former CIA, we always have to throw quotes in
there because we don't know. But you know, he's some
of the stuff that he's described, uh where what they
did to like the pets of CIA agents that were
that had disrespected them was you know, horrifying for the
for pet owners like myself, you know. And also you
know we know that they've they've killed people. We don't
need to name any names or you know, try to
come up with any conspiracy theories, but the Let me
ask you this about about the candidates. Yeah, what kind
of reaction are the candidates getting, Like when they go
and they do their do their events and do talks,
what kind of reactions are they getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're getting good reactions, and they're very happy
to be associated with us and to be supported by us.
We're not getting there. They haven't been yet attacked on
that basis. They will be, but they haven't yet been
and so so far, our endorsements are helping them. And uh,
we featured three of them in our in our video,
Aaron Baker, Jose Vega, and Mike will now all three
running against protos you know, proto Zionists candidates, you know,
of course, Randy Fine in turns from Mike, I'm sorry,
Aaron Baker running against Aaron Grandy Fine is one of
our big targets, and I should say big targets, and
we're going to be running some ads against him. We've
we're going to slay this pig. Really, we're gonna then
we're gonna roast them over a fire. Of course this
is all metaphorical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Randy Fine particularly seems like if your goal was
to increase anti Semitism. Randy Fine would be like your
poster boy. I mean, this is someone who has openly
and publicly celebrated the death of children and has doesn't say, oh,
we need to we need to destroy Hamas. He says, No,
we need to destroy Gaza. And what he means by
Gaza is we need to destroy Gosins. We need to
kill as many Gossins as we can. And he says
this openly. He's unapologetic about it, and you have to
wonder whether it's mental illness, which it most likely is,
whether somebody is orchestrating something by writing this for him
to I don't know, increase anti Semitism, because that seems
to be something that they want. They something they wants
to be hated. And it also they can also point
and go, oh, look at these evil people. Don't you
know that the Holocaust happened and they want people like
this just want to holocaust us.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. You saw this with the recent meeting of
the I think it's the World Jewish Congress and uh
Ron Ronald Lauder talking about basically they're they're saying, uh,
they're going to target any anti Zionists trying to get
into the government trying to get get into Congress. They're
going to go after them. So the line are starkly
drawn here. I think they do want anti semitism. I think,
of course Israel depends on anti Semitism. The whole founding
of Israel was based on that idea. I mean, that
was the whole you want to speak about the Jewish question,
that was the big question, what do we do? And they,
you know, Herzel made it clear that we need anti Semitism.
It's the lifeblood of the soul Zionist movement. It's necessary
for justifying the state of Israel. And then can't I
think they want to promote it in the US and
sort of to and then use it to say, look,
look at all these anti Semites. We need to increase
our power so that we can put down these anti
Semites effectively. That's what Ronald Lauder said. This guy's of
course a billionaire. He's basically saying, we need to control
everything in order to you know, in order to counter
anti Semitism. So I think anti Semitism is a basic
pretext for increasing Zionist power and control. That's what they're
using it for, and that's why they want to promote it.
I think Randy find is probably doing so at you know,
probably upon direction.
Speaker 1: I would think, well, the thing that they Yeah, I
don't know how or why these are supposed to be
very I've been told they're very smart people with very
high IQ and have a lot of Nobel Prize winners.
But it seems to me that if you, yeah, on
October seventh, what they could have done was they could
have been they could have played the victim like they
always do. You know, this came out of nowhere. This
happened because we're Jewish. The reason they did it is
because they're Muslim and it's a hateful ideology. And no,
they just decided that they were going to televise that
they were going to basically knowing that it would be televised,
and they actually had a telegram channel where they were
promoting what they what they were openly doing and showing
their worst atrocities on this telegram channel. It I don't think.
I think that if you you only have to assume
that either you have so much people are so invested
in you as a people no matter what you do,
they're going to support you, or that you have to
you've completely misjudged that you can get away with basically
trying to ethnically cleanse and you know, mass murder people,
you know, convincing people that you know, two year olds
are in hamas. Yeah, you know, then you I think
that you've It's something we've seen in the past with
with with Jewish power, is that they get really cocky
and think that, okay, we nobody can come against us now,
And yeah, I mean that's what it's That's what it
seems like has happened.
Speaker 2: It looks to me like they're suggesting that we're going
to put it in your faces.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Our power is basically irresistible. There's nothing you can do,
so we're just going to stick it in your face.
As you pointed out, I think the live stream genocide
was they knew there would be live stream, that there
was no way around it, and they had their own soldiers,
you know, uploading atrocity videos effectively all the time, and
they're all saved by many by some organizations that we
link to on our site. They have live streamed this,
and I think they knew it would be live stream.
Then they knew that this would cause backlash. But I
think part of it is a psychological operation of total demoralization.
If we can show you that we can undertake this
with no opposition from the international community, then we have
exhibited our omnipotence with reference to you, and you have
no power, and likewise you're going to be demoralized and
defeated by virtue of our demonstration of unmitigated crimes against humanity,
which you can't prevent. I think that's partly what's happened.
Speaker 1: Well, it helps to have the most powerful, richest nation
in the world on your side, and the only way
you can really have the most powerful, richest nation on
your side is through bribery and subversion and getting your
people in charge. You know, there are people out there
like and the only reason I mentioned this person is
because they have a huge, huge platform to promote the
bullshit that they promote. Is Adam Curry and John John C.
De Devorak from the No Agenda podcast. They they decided
a couple of years ago that the United States controls
you know, controls Israel, and it's completely one sided. And
they went and found an expert that you know, basically
came in and explained how this happens. I think most
of us know that it's I mean, does the United
If the United States does control Israel, it's only because
there are so many Israelis and positions of power and
wealth that it's it's a synergism that you're basically sucking
the resources out of the United States to Israel because
Israel doesn't really build anything. They have technology, Yeah, they
do technology, but a lot of their technology is stolen
from other places and they just build upon it. But yeah,
I mean, the only reason they can get away with
us at this point, considering pretty much every country in
the world except for Israel and probably England it despises
them and wants nothing to do with them, is because
they have It's the bully who is the bully who's
like five feet tall, But the reason he can be
a bully is because there's a six foot tall guy
behind him that weighs three hundred pounds who's going to
beat up anybody who tries to mess with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Yeah, I've had this debate with sort
of in the anti Zionist milieu. There are two basic
positions I'd say with reference to the relationship between the
US and Israel. The left leaning so called anti Zionists
see it in the reverse of what I see it,
and I think probably you, and that is that they
think that, you know, Israel is like a US or
Western imperialist colony and the United States is pulling the strings,
using Israel as a kind of outpost and all that.
That's been the leftist line for some time. I think
it's it's demonstrably false because it's clear that, look, when
a ruling class deals with the their underlings, they suck
resources from that from that underling class. And that's exactly
what the relationship is between Israel and the United States.
They extort us for our wealth, our money, our arms,
and our economic support, and they and they also use
our political cover that we provide in the UN and
and in the media, and in connection with other countries,
and in sanctioning countries that will not go along with
Israel's depredations, uh sanctioning un repertoire repertoires who are simply
doing their job and documenting and trying to get across
the devastation of the gossens. I mean, we're doing their bidding.
So I don't see how it could be possibly construed
that the United States controls Israel. It's that, you know,
I mean, this is the question, is that is the
tail wagging the dog? And I think it is the
tail wags the dog and it wags it hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and I think another way that you
you know, this is because the popularity of Israel and
this support of Israel has dropped a low fifty percent.
So first of all, that destroys the idea of democracy.
It destroys the idea of representative of a representative republic.
I'd be willing to bet that you know, most of
not I don't know most half of Randy Fine's constituency,
which he really doesn't have. I mean, he went in
there on a special election, don't support what Israel is doing.
Probably realize that even if they just went at it
from an economic standpoint, we can't afford to be giving
I think that we give another five hundred another five
hundred and fifty million was included.
Speaker 2: Hundred million, six hundred jew I think it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So it's and that means that this year,
in the calendar year twenty twenty five, Israel has gotten
forty billion dollars from the United has sucked forty billion
dollars in the United States, on top of the three
point eight billion that we send them every year so
that they won't wage war with Egypt. So one thing
that you you really, if you really want to realize
how Israel and they're diaspora here control the whole control
all of this is the fact that, you know, the
majority of people don't want it, but it's going to
continue to happen. I mean, how many people in how
many people in Congress have not taken money from some
kind of Jewish lobby everybody says apac. There's other groups
that they do that I could think of, you know,
like Massy and the there's a I can't remember the
name of the guy from Georgia who took eight dollars
from them, and the joke is that they took him
to Starbucks and he told them to go fuck themselves.
But the uh, but yeah, I mean the politicians. Basically,
what you have is you just have politicians who are
completely loyal to another country. Many of them will openly
admit that they have loyalty to Israel more than they
have loyalties to the United States. Representative Don Bacon from
Nebraska says it's for biblical reasons. He'd rather see the
United States destroyed than Israel. He said that to He
told me that on on Twitter and the you know,
so basically the country, the people don't want this, but
all of the all of the politicians are paid off.
And that's what you're that's your Soaphian task, is you're
that that You're you're pushing this stone up a hill
to expose this and get people in there who won't
take money from from from the Jewish lobby. But you know,
a lot of people said they wouldn't take you know,
they weren't going to do that. If they got in
there and they ended up doing it, so well, I
would hope. I would hope if they're I, yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Getting pledges signed so that if they if they accept
our money, that they have to sign a pledge basically
that says they will not take any Zionist or Israeli
backed or supportive money. A patch j Street, koofy, the
whole panoply. I mean, there's so many it's hard to
even name them all. I should have them on the
top of my tongue, but I'm not that interesting.
Speaker 1: So there's there's too many. Yeah, A buddy of mine says,
if you just take the letter J and add any
two letters to it in any formation and you google it,
you're going to come up with a Jewish foundation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they got foundations coming out to Kazoo.
So one of the other things that I want to
do and is to form a think tank. We need
a think tank to counter je Zionist propaganda, Zionist history,
Zionist intellectual uh work, if there is any, and to
really have you know, at our disposal the kind of
research and intellectual backing that we need to do what
we're what we have to do. I think I think
tank is the next step.
Speaker 1: You had mentioned earlier, the divide between leftist and rightist
anti Zionists and the leftist see it, you know, it's
a colonial power and you know, and a lot of
those leftists are anti white and that's the reason why
they the reason why they don't see Zionists. They they
look at this country in the Middle East, is they
they look white. And but then if you ask, if
you ask them, they'll say they're not white, they're Jewish, right.
But the but yeah, I'm one of these people who's like,
I don't I don't want to side by side march
with these leftist anti Zionists or with them for anything,
But I'm definitely not going to counter signal them. Zionis power.
Zionis power needs to be destroyed, and me and my
friends and people that I respect and people that I
agree with, if we don't do it, and it's the
other group that does it, and it's the leftist that
doesn't do it, even if they hate us, I'm fine
with that. We just need that enemy destroyed. We can
deal with that other enemy afterwards, because actually that other
enemy is one that protects a lot of these people
who are anti white and promote that and promote that
whole ideology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've tried to talk about this in
terms of domestic Zionism is one of the things that
the anti Zionist left doesn't really grasp, and that is
the policies that really are promoted by the same cabaul,
by the same people, and that you know, of course
that first of all has to do with our freedom
of speech, which they're trying to revoke in the name
of anti Semitism using this Anti Semitism Awareness Act, which
who knows what the status of this thing is in
terms of the public, in terms of the population outside
of colleges where it definitely applies. They're using that to effectively,
you know, expel students from universities, and I think they
want to rule it out more broadly. And other parts
of domestic Zionism I would call I would talk about
would be the immigration policies, which are I think domestic Zionism,
because they want to weaken let's be real, I mean,
they want to weaken the fabric, the social fabric of
the host countries. And you know this gives them greater
control over these countries, and they don't want any unified
say nationalist movements. Nationalism is of course their biggest political enemy.
They hate nationalism because nationalism doesn't work for them in
terms of power, and they want all of this multiculturalism.
Of course, we know all that they promoted this multiculturalism
because they feel endangered as a minority otherwise or something
to that effect. They like it better when there's more
minorities and no block of say white power, that would
be their biggest fear. So I call that domestic Zionism.
And in this iteration right now, at least of as
a pact, we're not focusing on domestic Zionism because that's
what's going to split the left and right over this,
and we are trying to breach, or I should say,
to bridge the gap between left and right in terms
of this particular enemy. That the main enemy that we have,
which is the Zionist ruling class. We've got to overthrow them.
So we're going to have to We're gonna have to
alli with these people to some extent. And I've had
you know, interesting shall I say, these anti Zionist left
has tried to put me an ass a pack through
kinds of litanus tests, and you know, in a couple
of cases we failed the litmus test for them because
they don't want any Like I had a group that
was we were working with and we were getting along
just great, and they apparently I didn't know they were
particularly leftist as such, but after they dug up some
tweets of mine about Black Lives Matter and how I
said that it wasn't I said in a tweet, it's
not illegal to hold white nationalist views, but it is
illegal to burn down people's you know, burn down cities,
and that that was a disqualification for them to work
with as a Pact because I had said that, I said, yeah,
I will not I don't. I won't deviate from that.
I'm not going to apologize it. I believe in property rights,
and I don't think you can justify burning down people's
property because you don't like their thoughts, even thoughts that
you're imputing to them. You don't even know what they
hold as their thoughts, what they believe. So I mean, yeah,
we've had this with the anti Zionist left, but we're
still trying to work with them. And we also got
rebuffed by a candidate in California, Butch Ware, who's running
for governor there, which we were going to enter into
because California is such a huge economy and if we
could get BDS legalized there or at least have California
cease from funding using you know, using BDS to to
defund Israel, that would be big. But they rejected us
on similar grounds. They said that my affiliation this was
their campaign manager, my affiliation with the Mesas Caucus of
the Libertarian Party was a bridge too far because they
are Confederists. They want the Confederacy back, which I've I
looked in Vain to find where they had ever said that,
but just ludicrous stuff like that. So but we're persevering
and we'll still try to reach out to them and
work with leftists, and we're not going to you know,
we're not discriminating against candidates based on their political party
or even their political ideology other than their anti Zionism
right now, because as you said, we can solve those
questions later. What kind of economic system should we have,
What's who's a citizen who belongs here who doesn't? Immigration questions,
all that stuff we can we can sort out, but
we can't do it under these terms, under these conditions.
Under these conditions, we can't do anything except you know
what our government do behave strictly at the behest and
to the so called benefit of Israel.
Speaker 1: Well, it's clearly an occupation, and you know the historically,
what I know about occupations is eventually they are going
to go kinetic. I mean, I think you and I
probably have done enough research on quote unquote Muslim terrorism
to know that that pops up when there's occupation. And
you know, also the IRA was the same thing. With
the IRA, I mean, they when did they become quote
unquote terrorists? They became terrorists when they were being occupied
and that seems like that that's when that happens. And
making it very clear and bragging. I mean they're they're
literally bragging about how much power they have. They put
out all these all of these videos. They had that
World Jewish Congress video a couple of years ago, where
you know, they have this girl with the all seeing
eye pendant on her on her neck. I mean, it
was straight out of Central casting talking about how, you know,
Jews were responsible for gay marriage, responsible for women voting,
were responsible for the Civil Rights Act, or you know,
and they had Harvey Milk. You know, somebody who you
know would would woo fourteen and fifteen year old boot.
I mean, they brag about this stuff. It is a
demoralization campaign, but it's also their way, their way of
saying that they own that we own you. You know,
we own this country, right, we can do whatever we
want in this country. And yeah, I don't know that
you can really break bread with people who say that
the Mesas Caucus was neo Confederate or that you know,
you're you didn't support BLM. But you know there are
people like you know, you know, I mean, yeah, say
whatever you want about his personal life. It's it's heinous.
But Glenn Greenwald does good work on this. Jimmy Dore
is a leftist, he does good work on this. I
mean the the Due Dissidence podcast. This is two Jewish
guys who are always on Jimmy Door show. These guys
are These guys are reading doctor, you know, Professor Shlomo
San's book, The Invention of the Jewish People and going, oh,
we're not even Jewish, We're converts, you know, from from
centuries back, and you're you're watching this and you're like, sure,
these guys, you know they I mean all of their
they're all leftists and area, but they're not the insane
leftists who were like sharing sharing cities getting burnt down.
So you know, even if you don't want to stand
side by side with them, you know, you don't counter
signal them. They're doing They're doing the Lord's work, you know.
And yeah, that's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interestingly you brought up dude dissonance. I was on there.
They actually had me on and that went really well,
and I found out some very interesting facts about the
one of the guys. I don't speak with complete authority here,
but from what I understand. It's actually from Pittsburgh, where
I'm from and where I live now. And he's also
the cousin of Barry Weiss. Yeah yeah, the Harry speak.
I mean, that's amazing, right, this guy is a totally
anti Zionist and you know, he's Jewish and he is
cousins with Barry Weiss. Of course, Perry Weiss, we know,
is a major feature of this Zionist propaganda Apparatuss. She's
you know, taken over CBS News then now installed a
new host for the CBS Evening News who is also
a Jewish convert who wrote an article about his circumcision
and adulthood.
Speaker 1: So I'm believing was normal. That sounds normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He wrote this article about how he had
to be cut in order to be healed with the
Jewish people, he had to be cut to be healed,
you know. So you know, so he gave up part
of his dick to be a Jew, basically came right
and effectively said that. And in adulthood, imagine adult circumcision,
Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I know it's I know, adult adult men who've
had to have that done because, you know, for because
of like recurring infections, it's it's Hannah's. I mean what
they describe was Hannahs And yeah, those are the kind
of articles that I don't think that they wrote. I
think those articles were written for them, much like and
I will say this right now, Charlie Kirk's new book
on how Christians his his post his book that's being
posthumously published, How Christians Will be Blessed by Keeping the Sabbath,
and and Erica Kirk saying that Charlie would come home
on Friday night and put his phone in a drawer
and say Shabbat shalom. I mean this, this does not
sound that, This doesn't sound. This sounds like it was
written by other people. Just like when you look at
the notes, when you look at the notes in the
Schofield Bible, you're like the Theodore Hurtzel, right these I mean,
where do these come from?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Well, they're saying also, they're saying Charlie Kirk was Jewish.
That's what they're saying. Now did you hear that one?
Speaker 1: I've heard that one. Yeah. Well, I mean if he's
coming home on Friday night and putting his phone away
and saying Shabat shalom. Yeah, well, I mean, if that's
true and she's not completely mk ultraed out or something
like that, then that tells me a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have much faith in anything she says.
I don't know what the story is with her, but
it seems to me almost as if you know, it's
it's a strange thing. But in a certain moment, I'll think,
I wonder if his whole marriage and everything was a
complete stage operation. Uh. You know that's what it looks
like in the out in the with the uh.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that since his death, it looks like
the whole marriage was like an part of an operation.
Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you this. I go on Michael
Ferris's podcast often Coffee and a Mike Great podcast he has.
I mean, he is such a heterodox, he'll talk to anyone,
and you know, I enjoy him allowing me to come
on there and rant about the JQ.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he told me he lives he lives in Arizona,
and he says he would go to the grocery store.
He's a single man, so he would go to the
grocery store and he would see Charlie Kirk there buying
groceries alone. Now, I'm how many men, married, men with
kids go grocery shopping alone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's typically not how it's done. You
either go with your wife or your wife does it. Frankly,
I mean, you know, uh yeah, there's something fishy there.
I don't know what it is, and I'm not going
to speculate too much. And we called it low iq,
anti Semite or some shit.
Speaker 1: But anybody who accuses you of be a low iq,
Michael is low iq.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: But but the you know, getting back to this, you know,
your pack and getting people elected and supporting people who
are running on an anti Zionist platform. I mean, first
of all, that takes some balls.
Speaker 2: I mean, because maybe I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm not even only talking about you, you know,
I'm talking about the person who will run on the platform.
Because you are, You're going to be called everything in
the book. And there is a really good chance that
if you don't get elected, if you're not independently wealthy,
if you're not if you don't own your own business,
he may be un you may not be employable. I mean,
who said this recently? Oh, Piers Morgan said that Piers
Morgan when he was interviewing Fluentes said, you know, he
talked about Fuenttes his dad because Fenes had brought it up.
And later in the show, I don't know how many
people picked up on this, but you know, Nick brings
up him talking about his dad again, and then then
Morgan moves on. But then he comes back and he goes,
you know, employers really should be able to make a
decision about, you know, who they want to employ because
of what they believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard him say that. Yeah he did say that.
I did hear that. That was very curious, as if
he's trying to get Fluente's dad fired from whatever job
he has, And Flintees pushed back quite a bit on that,
and yeah, I mean that's what he said in effect.
So there's like some sort of you know, litmus tests
that you have to pass in order to be employed,
and anti Semitism is of course on the top.
Speaker 1: Of the list, you know, And it's not I've taken
a saying recently, it's you know, it's not anti semitism.
Anti Semitism is the phrase that they use. And too
many of our people who are you know, who notice
all this stuff, will adopt it just like you know,
blacks are like, oh, we're taking the N word back.
You know, I've taken to saying Judeo aware. Yeah, yeah,
you have to, you have to be aware that there's
this there's a not all of them, of course, I
mean that would be impossible, but there is this group
that there's this group that seeks power, a powerful group.
They have a network and they work together. Yeah, left
wing quote unquote left wing and quote unquote right wing
Jewish people they work together hand in hand. And what's
funny is even a lot of the times when you'll
see right wing Jews cry about left wing Jews and
to cry them, and you'll see left wing Jews cry
about right wing Jews and to cry them. The things
that they're working towards, if they're activists, always seem to
compliment each other, like starting a war which opens the
borders and you know, causes a refugee crisis. And so
the left wing Jews are there saying no barber Lear inspectors.
They're going, no, Europe will not survive unless it becomes multicultural. Right,
And it's like, oh, okay, well, I mean did you
just are we are we supposed first do we take
as a threat. Second of all, do what are you
saying and why are you saying this so openly? And
what do you mean? What do you mean that a
continent that you know, the consists of countries, that consist
of races of people that have survived for a thousand
years and in many cases much longer as a cohesive unit.
They won't survive unless they are unless every every prison
in Africa, in the Middle East is emptied and they're
sent into Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable, man, that's we talked about. One thing you
brought up that I reminds me of what we talked
about last time, was that we notice that this group
acts in concert with each other, that they are coordinating
their efforts, and they act as a group. And you
know the kind of grief I got from libertarians when
I first started to saying the campaign and after for
noting that groups have sel you know, have interests, and
that they act in as groups. This was decried by
the libertarian contention as collectivism and that I was a
collectivist for noticing this. I said, no, no, I'm not
the collectivist for noticing it. They're the collectivists for doing it. Okay,
so I mean, what's so hard for them to get?
But yeah, that was a big point of contention and
lost me a lot of the libertarian movements. I would say,
it's interesting with as a pack, I've noted we haven't
gotten too much libertarian support. To be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you work in a warehouse, you
don't really have a lot of you know, extra money. Yeah,
it's yeah. Well, I'm not saying there's a lot of
libertarians that are very, very successful. I mean they they're
doing very well, but it seems like the loudest ones
that I that I encounter are ones where it's like,
did you just give up? Is like, you know, it's like,
I mean I've literally had libertarians. I remember in twenty
twenty one, I was talking to Matt Kingpilled, Mattam his
name is escaping, his last names escaping me now, but
King Pilled, and you know, we were talking about you know, taxes,
having all these and you know, and how it destroys wealth.
And he said, well, just make more money. Yeah, and
it was yeah, and liberty. These libertarians who I guess
they don't want to try, they've given up on life.
Their excuse was well, if I make more money, I'm
gonna end up paying more taxes and that'll just go
to the war machine. And it's like, okay, so stay
fucking poor. That's what they want. That's what the power,
that's what this the power it be that you hate
so much that you that libertarians are like, they're illegitimate.
They want you to be poor. They don't want you
to be able to fight against them. I mean, politics
is about money. You know this, You've started a pack.
You can't do anything without money. The reason why the
the reason why the left is so powerful is is
because leftists are revolutionaries. And even the billionaire leftists will
pour money into leftists and they don't care whether it's
far they don't care whether they're far left psychopaths. They'll
give them money.
Speaker 2: In fact, it seems they prefer far left psychopaths over
the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then on the right, it's like, oh, well,
you know, I'm sorry, but you know you you question
the post war consensus once, and you know we're not
going to we can't give you any money.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like people on the right, or people
who think they're on the right, there really leftist when
it comes down to their core. You know, they're always
reaching out to the left. And the reason why they're
always reaching out to the left and punching to their
right is because they're leftists. They just think they just
appear to be right wing because so much of this,
of what's happened in the social engineering regime for the
last hundred years has brought everything over to the left.
So if you're historically right at all, and you know,
I'm talking about you know, what most normal people believed
before the French Revolution, then you're like, they think you're
a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's correct.
Speaker 1: Or a fascist or a fascist. You know, you're you
can't be trusted. You're you'll make us look bad. I
mean that's literally what it is. It's like, well, you know,
because it's pretty much criminal to be right wing, really
be right wing, a real right winger, you're just going
to make us look bad because your right wing beliefs
they don't fit in with you know, with our donors exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's uh, the idea that that
their right wing is a misnomer, I think, and uh,
I was thinking of something else, but it's it's just
back to this whole thing about group action and group behavior. Uh,
the idea that groups don't act in concert and have
agency as a group is ludicrous. That's a ridiculous idea
that that you know, and there isn't a sociologist on
the face of the earth that would ever say that's true,
that that groups don't act in concert and for their
own interests. And so they certainly do. And the just
noticing it isn't isn't collectivism, it's it's actually just noticing.
It's just noticing patterns of behavior and noticing activities that
work together in concert to achieve certain ends. And the
left right thing and for that is you're right, the
left right. The left feeds the right, and the right
feeds the left. The wars feed the immigration deluge, and
you know that feeds the left. So the right and left,
as far as this goes with the Zionist right and left,
they're absolutely working hand in glove.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always point out to these libertarians who are
such radical individualists that the first thing they do when
they become a libertarian is look for other libertarians to
hang out with. Yeah, oh, well, we're not planning on Well, well,
it's not like we're coming together to collectivize to you know,
to do anything. Well maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why have a party if you're not going
to come together as a collective to do something, it's absurd.
So and then hold a philosophy that says, you know,
we treat everything in terms of individuals, and so individual
behavior is all we're looking at, and that we don't
want to judge anybody based on anything other than their individuals,
you know, desiderata, and we cannot, we cannot even look
at group behaviors if if it's real individuals act on
their own terms and for their own self interests, and
that's it. Nothing else exists.
Speaker 1: Sird Well, I think it's interesting that libertarianism and the
kind of libertarian like American libertarianism, or like the Murray
Rothbard and liberal v. Messus kind of liberty, the libric
on Messis was a man of the old world, but
a lot of the libertarianism that points to individualism. Yep,
it's really odds It seems really odd to me that
that really started gaining momentum right around the time and
that it was decided that monarchies were not were not
we weren't going to have monarchies anymore. We were going
to have democracy. And you know, I think it's kind
of hard to not notice that a lot of the
Libertarian thought leaders belong to a certain tribe, and that
when you're when you're pushing individualism and that is the
individual that matters, and the collectivizing and using the status
force and violence and all that, while every other group,
every other person outside of yours, is teaming up in
a group to collectivize get power, whether that be monetary power,
whether it be political power, whether it be social power.
They're doing that, and you're sitting there. It seemed I
think you're going to lose. Yeah, I think you're going
to lose.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're going to lose because you're just not you're
not noticing that, you're not taking into consideration any power
in the collective that you want to begin that you say,
then you disavow being in a collective in the first place.
It's it's it's ridiculous. So you're, yeah, you're going to lose.
And that's why frankly, and uh, hopefully this doesn't well,
I don't care. I guess that's why I said. The
Libertarian Party is like never going anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's never going anywhere. I mean, it really can't. It's
your I think I think they may have taken it down,
but I think when I joined the Libertarian Party way
back when you had to sign a pledge, at least
on the website, you had to check the box for
the pledge, you say that you you eschewed force personally
and politically, and it's like, okay, wait a minute, hold
on politics is for Yeah, politics is sometimes you're going
to use force. Sometimes you're going to use violence. Now,
if you're a little atheist who sits there and you've
adopted libertarianism because you're an atheist and you need to
find a morality somewhere, So now you've adopted this, you know,
private property and the non aggression principle and all this
other bullshit as your as your morality. Yeah, I mean
I can get it. But like the people who live
in the real world, Yeah, they look around and they're like, well,
I mean everyone else is using everyone else is using force,
and so what do you You're just going to sit there
and just take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like the Christians who the
Christians who are not are non violent. Oh, there's never
a place to use violence. You know, Christians, we lose
down here. All of our words are in heaven. We cannot.
I mean, these people are absolutely insane. They know, first
of all, they know nothing about the history of Christianity.
They've they've adopted, they've adopted a very judaized form of
Christianity that has that has introduced itself in the last
two hundred years in concert with the rise of Zionist
a a a worked out Zionist ideology. Yeah, and you
know the Schofield Bible, which was pushed by Samuel Untermeyer.
Go look up Samuel Intermeyer and find out what he
what he believed, and what.
Speaker 2: What his connections were. Yeahs to the Rothschilds. I mean,
come on, the guy was basically a Rothschild agent. So
the whole Christian Zionism is a Zionist psyop. And what
a syop. It is one of the most powerful siops
ever to be unleashed. And it's still going. You know,
with these thousand ministers that just went over there to
guess what they call the Friends of Zion faws or
something like that. The Friends of Zion meeting and they
got their marching orders and basically got rebrainwashed for Israel,
because that's all there might have been some fallout over
the last two years of genocidal rampages by Israel that
might make a Christian slightly suspect about the compatibility of
this ideology with Christianity. That would be interestingly, So they
knew they had to get on these people, make sure
they're still on message. And you know, they're putting out
an army now they're talking about doing this in every country,
an army of evangelical Zelots who will basically promote Christian
Zionism in their churches to the point where they even
put the Israeli flag in the church. I mean that's
and it's becomes you know, idle worship from a Christian standpoint. Yeah,
they're still working that that particular syop has has only
gained momentum and it's going to be very difficult to stop.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a waste of time. It's a waste of
time because who are you preaching to boomers? Gen z
doesn't want anything to do with Israel. Millennials or millennials
are struggling to buy houses. Gen X has been passed
over politically, and you know, we're just we're you know,
we're just getting out of our nihilism phase. I mean,
this is it's a waste of time, it's a waste
of effort that you're just going to push away the
young people. So is this actually an Israeli syop to
destroy the church to get to people to stop going
to church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good, good point that could very well be.
Although I think they they want them to be uh
Christian Zionists zealous, So as long as the church activity
and the preaching is in line with their political objectives,
then I think they want them to go to church.
But church becomes a kind of church becomes nothing better,
like a jamboree for Zionist activity. You know, it's not
it's not anything else. It's it's totally perverted, totally subverted,
totally under you know, completely undermined. Uh and any kind
of Christian, real Christian ethos has washed out utterly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean they've been done a good job
of that in the last year years anyway. So all right,
so tell me you said you have you're looking at
some more candidates and everything you have, do you have
people who are I think I saw on the website
that you can give on a consistent basis. You can
give monthly, you give yearly. It's I assume it's tax deductible.
Speaker 2: No donations. The packs are not tax deductible at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, and five one C three that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And unlike a PAK, we can't accept foreign donations.
And when I say that, I know we know that
they actually what they do is they funnel foreign money
into domestic cans. I mean, they do all kinds of things.
But but yeah, we can't accept foreign donations, and we
we the donations are not tax deductible.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's stupid because you're you're you're you're endorsing
candidates and you can't do that in a five O one
C three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can't. You cannot right off political contributions.
It's not allowed in the whole. You know, the FEC
prohibits it. So it's not our.
Speaker 1: Role that that really shines a light on the hundreds
you know, the hundred million dollars that uh that the
Adelson widow gives Donald Trump then, because I mean, if
she is not doing that to well, we know what
she's doing it for. She's doing it to buy. She's
doing it to buy a candidate. That's that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's no other benefit for them. They
don't get to write it off. They may be able
to do some sort of you know, fancy book keeping,
some kind of way of writing writing it off somehow,
I don't know, but they technically you can't write it off.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. I just thought of this.
A lot of people will say when it comes to
politics that if your if your organization, or if your
campaign or is against something, yeah, that's you know, being
for something and promoting something as opposed to being against
something is more attractive to people. Have you considered that.
Have you thought about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean we've heard this. We heard this
from the very beginning. Oh, you've got to be pro
this or pro that, pro America first or something, but
anti doesn't go anywhere. Well, that's not what we've found
to be true. Actually, we found that this is very
much a resonant idea, very resonant with people to be
anti Zionist, and that it does have a thing that
we're for. We're for national sovereignty and we're for really
you know, quite frankly, national sovereignty will ironically lead to
greater chances for peace in the world, because once we
stop being controlled and having and being extorted for Israel,
then it lessens that answers of Israel being able to
conduct their rampages as they have. So we are for something.
We're for restoring national sovereignty and desionizing the United States government,
and that has benefits, then we put those on the
website what the benefits are of that, But we don't
we don't. I don't agree that being you know, if
you say, you know, if your thing is based on
anti that it won't go anywhere that we haven't found
out to be true. As a matter of fact, we
think that in fact, being explicitly anti Zionist has made
our pack get a lot of attention and donations.
Speaker 1: Frankly, yeah, I didn't realize how weak the slogan America
First was until I heard Charlie Kirk say America first
doesn't mean America only.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's. That's what it does. It leaves
a lot of holes up, and so yeah, we would
I would say that the pack is America only in
that respect because we don't want any foreign aid, military
or otherwise. Likewise, we just we just don't want anything
to do with funding other countries, but especially Israel. But
we we are you know, we are being universalist about that.
We don't want any funding for any other foreign countries.
So technically that's America only.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, tell people where they can tell people about
the website, and make sure to get the website addressed
right because there is a dash in there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that dash saved us fifty thousand dollars. Without
that dash, we would have to pay fifty thousand dollars
for asipac dot com or org. It's a ZA dash
pack dot com, Aza dashpack dot com. But if you
search Google and just put in aza pac, you're gonna
find it will come up first. So we got good,
good SEO. So far, Google has not banished US or
download graded US or blacklisted US or any of that,
so we're very fortunate to that extent. Hopefully it stays
that way. But it's a ZA dashpack dot com. That's
where you can sign up to volunteer, donate, read our resources.
We're going to have a web We're going to add
a essay page very soon. We're going to put up
essays from contributors on this issue, which is the issue
I think, and we're going to hit it from all
different sides, and that'll be the beginning of the sort
of think tank that we're going to start worth pondering
founding next a think tank that would contribute articles. But
in the meanwhile, we're offering we'd like to see contributions
from people that want to write about this about the
Zionist occupation of the United States and what it means
for us and the world, uh, from any from any perspective, historical, political, cultural, religious,
all that. We're willing to entertain essays and we're going
to have them up there. We're going to start to
fill out and create a community that way, maybe even
open blogging. We'll see, but we're working on all that.
Speaker 1: Well. I will tell you, if you're going to have
open blogging on your you're going to have to have
really good moderation.
Speaker 2: That's the only problem. The sosiety. We'll attack it like crazy.
They'll be on there left and right. The bots will
be on us.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not only that you're going to have spurgs
on our side who don't know how to articulate their
ideas without coming across as low iq or deranged. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're getting a ton of email from
people and we encourage it, and we're getting a of volunteers,
and we're getting a lot of donations. But keep them coming. Uh,
it's all going to be put towards these candidates and
to grow the organization.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: In terms of our our political power, frankly, that's what
we're after. We are after political power because we need
that to abolish the political powers so that I've occupied
our country.
Speaker 1: Michael, Michael Recto, all the brave men, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks having me, Pete. Great to be here. M hm