Speaker 1: Aren't you gonna invite me in?
Speaker 2: Yuh? I'll tell you what. This movie has some incredible
Speaker 2: lines of dialogue, most notably from a one Miss Hailey Steinfeld.
Speaker 2: And I have been thinking about two lines of dialogue
Speaker 2: for three days now. I don't know how long ago
Speaker 2: I saw this movie, and typically goo right. Here's how
Speaker 2: it goes when we watch in review movies. This is
Speaker 2: what happens for most people. You walk out of a theater,
Speaker 2: you think it's this right, eight nine ten, in our case,
Speaker 2: thirty six or seven or eight to nine forty, and
Speaker 2: then after a couple of days goes down a dog
Speaker 2: or two, or you're starting nitpicking it. I think just
Speaker 2: the two lines of dialogue from Hailey Steinfeld has propped
Speaker 2: this movie up. It might even be a dog higher
Speaker 2: than what I felt like leaving the theater. I can't
Speaker 2: get it out of my head. I keep thinking about
Speaker 2: this movie and then like those lines of dialogue, and
Speaker 2: then I start thinking about more things about this movie.
Speaker 2: This movie is not perfect, but it's fucking sticking with me.
Speaker 2: Go it's sticking with me.
Speaker 1: But are you gonna invite people into your home now?
Speaker 2: If they're proposing to do what Hailey Steinfeld is. Yes,
Speaker 2: she is more than welcome in vampire form or in
Speaker 2: human form. I'm I'm a I'm of a mind that
Speaker 2: makes some moogie. Let's say that one good? Three?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just three, King of Queen MARYL.
Speaker 2: Street Entertainment, Go and I'm Mac.
Speaker 1: And you might be saying to yourself for these two
Speaker 1: the same person. Now we're different. We're Mac and Go.
Speaker 2: That's right, we are both wearing blue today. Though good
Speaker 2: coordination on our end. We just we got our real
Speaker 2: hive mind, like like this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Michael A and B Jordan and all the vampiers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, today we are discussing box office sensation
Speaker 2: Sinners the latest, and some may varue the greatest Ryan
Speaker 2: Kugler movie starring Michael B. Jordan. Good. Sinners is a
Speaker 2: movie that when it was announced maybe the middle of
Speaker 2: last year, everyone was like, oh, Okay Cougler Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan in definitely and you're like, oh, it's like a
Speaker 2: horror thriller set in the nineteen.
Speaker 1: Phar so other horror mystique vampire and some of us said.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, this is weird, and this movie is weird,
Speaker 2: but I think we can now officially say that Ryan Kugler,
Speaker 2: when given the keys to anything, he's gonna make that
Speaker 2: bitch run like this. This is an original idea, original script.
Speaker 2: It's not adapting anything straight from Ryan Kugler. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there were some influences, obviously. I don't know. Man, Ryan
Speaker 2: Couger gets it. He can make movies.
Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of it. I'm not
Speaker 1: comparing it to these movies, but what I would compare
Speaker 1: it to in its uniqueness and how it's doing on
Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes and with its reception is get out and Crap.
Speaker 1: I just had it in my head, the John Krasinski movie.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you can't talk to anyone? The hell is
Speaker 2: it called?
Speaker 1: That's what it's called. You can't talk to anyone.
Speaker 2: They silent, the monsters can hear. No, it's called short One.
Speaker 1: But it's a lot like that where it does so
Speaker 1: much right. There's some stuff that you can nitpick, obviously,
Speaker 1: but they're so unique and different that they really stand out.
Speaker 1: Are you looking it up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm look quiet.
Speaker 1: Oh it's called shut up zip it. It's called zip
Speaker 1: is Ziblah.
Speaker 2: It's called The Boss. Is it gonna get you? I
Speaker 2: think that that's pretty pretty more so with Get Out,
Speaker 2: I feel like too, in that it's a movie that
Speaker 2: sits with you for a little bit and you think
Speaker 2: about it and like, by the end of the year
Speaker 2: you might like it more than you do now. At
Speaker 2: least that's where I'm starting to trend now that I'm
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 1: Of days truly fringe horror, like really not very like
Speaker 1: this could.
Speaker 2: Have been a great movie without the horror, and I
Speaker 2: think there's even and we'll get into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: The horror isn't shoehorned in, but I feel like it
Speaker 2: either could have come in earlier or remove it all
Speaker 2: together and we still got it like a great movie.
Speaker 1: But the horror adds a little commentary at the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, there's I just the horror element might
Speaker 2: be my least favorite part of the movie, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. The more it complicates things a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I have some critiques there, but it is like,
Speaker 2: as far as vampire movies go, there's not many better, right,
Speaker 2: Like vampire movies can be kind of two tongue in
Speaker 2: cheek or b movie like this like takes them seriously
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, it's it's I have a
Speaker 2: hard time like naming a better Van Empire movie.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure there's a couple, but I've never
Speaker 1: seen another vampire movie. This's my first vampire movie. What
Speaker 1: I love about the way they treat the vampires in
Speaker 1: this movie, which also I wouldn't have minded if in
Speaker 1: the trailers there was never a mention of vampires and
Speaker 1: then forty five minutes in you're like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on? But also I will say this, they
Speaker 1: respect the rules of vampires in this movie better than
Speaker 1: maybe anything in a very long time.
Speaker 2: Well, right, so there's two basic rules with vampires, and
Speaker 2: they really just adhere to those two. They don't complicate it,
Speaker 2: they don't get too much into.
Speaker 1: Well there's more than just two, but yes, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well they really it's like sunlight kills them and you
Speaker 2: have to invite them in that.
Speaker 1: Also, wooden steaks, garlic, they have a bunch of other
Speaker 1: stuff in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right, Actually, yeah, true, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get into it. Sinners made forty
Speaker 2: eight million on its opening weekend. Huge opening for a
Speaker 2: movie that's you know, not a well known, not a
Speaker 2: known ip whatsoever, you know, brand new fucking idea from
Speaker 2: the mind of Ryan Coogler. It's up to seventy one
Speaker 2: million domestic after a week and a half, eighty seven
Speaker 2: million worldwide. It's gonna make a ton of money again
Speaker 2: this weekend. It's holding strong. It's had one of the
Speaker 2: best strongest releases post Easter in a long long time.
Speaker 2: It is a rated R action, drama, horror and thriller
Speaker 2: and goo. Why this movie is so good is the
Speaker 2: drama element the characters that they give you in the relationships,
Speaker 2: the way these characters are connected is the best part
Speaker 2: of this movie. And the other things that get brought
Speaker 2: in heighten those things. But the drama element in the
Speaker 2: relationship between characters here is why this movie kicks ass.
Speaker 1: I actually love the little bit of humor that is
Speaker 1: tossed in there because it feels so natural. And I
Speaker 1: do think that has a lot to do with the
Speaker 1: charisma of two Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan's Yeah, were you distracted by two Michael BEA's at all?
Speaker 2: I was distracted a.
Speaker 1: Little bit because they weren't different enough, like they had
Speaker 1: like minor differences. Usually when you see two of the
Speaker 1: same actor, like say if they're playing twins. One of
Speaker 1: them has a British accent, you know which ones which?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they even had the same facial hair here,
Speaker 2: so there was like no reason.
Speaker 1: That's a cool facial hair though, like that that's of
Speaker 1: the time. By the way, period piece. The look of
Speaker 1: this movie, it's fucking beautiful. It is a beautiful movie,
Speaker 1: and they go out of their way to like really
Speaker 1: show the landscape and how big the South is the sky,
Speaker 1: which does play into stuff later.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those movies where the town,
Speaker 2: the setting, the times becomes a character in and of itself. Right,
Speaker 2: we're talking early nineteen thirties in the Deep South, where
Speaker 2: there's obviously like it's there's deep racism there, you know,
Speaker 2: the clans involved a little bit. I think it's was
Speaker 2: it Clarksville, Mississippi something like that.
Speaker 1: It's in and around Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it plays a big part in this movie and
Speaker 2: becomes a character. And Cougar did an incredible job setting
Speaker 2: that scene that time. Like there's a there's a shot
Speaker 2: in this movie where smoking stack or downtown at this
Speaker 2: Mississippi thing and like, oh, I need a sign, and
Speaker 2: then uh, the Chinese family who is accepted in both worlds,
Speaker 2: the black community and the white community. The daughter walks
Speaker 2: across the street to the white side, and it's a
Speaker 2: tracking shot across the street, which I loved into the
Speaker 2: white like he just like the small little things like that.
Speaker 2: It's a it's like an eight minute tracking shot, but
Speaker 2: it sets like the whole scene, and it gets you
Speaker 2: to understand like the gravity of what's going on in
Speaker 2: the time and place.
Speaker 1: Accepted as in like they're allowed to sell people stuff
Speaker 1: like I would assume that if you're looking in the
Speaker 1: communities of both, they're probably not accepted in either.
Speaker 2: You're right, they're they're they're outliers in both, kind of
Speaker 2: pariahs in both, I suppose, but they're according to the whites,
Speaker 2: higher than the black people. And then the black people
Speaker 2: they're not white, so they they're able to bounce around
Speaker 2: in both worlds. Good. This movie has a run time
Speaker 2: of one hundred and thirty seven one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: seven minutes, two outs and seventeen minutes. I almost needed
Speaker 2: like a good five or tenants ten minutes more on
Speaker 2: some remic background, so a little more vampire background, a
Speaker 2: little bit an earlier introduction, so that his character had
Speaker 2: a little more gravity, was a little more sympathetic because
Speaker 2: by the end you're actually really you really like this character,
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I wish I got a little
Speaker 2: more backstory here.
Speaker 1: Or even some vampire foreshadowing in the first third of
Speaker 1: the movie, just a little bit.
Speaker 2: We needed a little bit of it, because when he's introduced,
Speaker 2: it's kind of out of fucking nowhere. Like it. It
Speaker 2: was mildly annoying because you go into this knowing it's
Speaker 2: a vampire movie and you don't see any vamps until yeah,
Speaker 2: probably the beginning of the second act, and ultimately that's okay.
Speaker 2: But because the villain Remiic played by Jack O'Connell, is
Speaker 2: so good and there's so many parallels being drawn between
Speaker 2: what that experience is and what like the black experiences
Speaker 2: in the South in the nineteen thirties, you kind of
Speaker 2: wish to get a little more background there, and you
Speaker 2: never get it. You just have some lines of dialogue
Speaker 2: from him.
Speaker 1: But also, if he wasn't there, if this wasn't a
Speaker 1: vampire movie and it was just about two brothers running
Speaker 1: a nightclub and then having to deal with some aftermath
Speaker 1: after about maybe not making enough money or dealing with
Speaker 1: the people that sold him the barn like that also
Speaker 1: would have been a very interesting movie.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. And I wonder, I wonder at what
Speaker 2: point did this become a vampire movie or was it
Speaker 2: always a vampire movie? Like was did Coogler have this
Speaker 2: idea to tell this story about black people in the
Speaker 2: south of the thirties and draw parallels with like the
Speaker 2: whole vampire religion type of thing. And that's the other thing.
Speaker 2: There's a huge religious undertone to this and questioning religion
Speaker 2: and how it basically is a tool to oppress people and.
Speaker 1: Has been questing the power of music as well.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's a genius part of this script as well,
Speaker 2: is it really makes you question, if you haven't already
Speaker 2: you know some why religion is the way it is,
Speaker 2: how it came to be, and why it's used the
Speaker 2: way it is. Goo on Rotten Tomatoes, this movie has
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent from the critics ninety seven percent from
Speaker 2: the audience on Metacritic in eighty four so by the
Speaker 2: end of the year this is still going to be
Speaker 2: one of the best movies of the year by those metrics.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll still be talking about this movie by
Speaker 2: the end of the year. And of course this is
Speaker 2: written and directed by Ryan Couger. We've mentioned him a
Speaker 2: couple of times already. You would know Couglar from Fruitvale Station.
Speaker 2: That was his debut. That's where him and Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan first got together. It was twenty thirteen. Creed was
Speaker 2: the next effort, which was I think once Creed happened,
Speaker 2: because no one wanted a new Rocky movie, right, no
Speaker 2: one wanted to dabble in that universe. Again, Creed happens,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I guess we can make more
Speaker 2: Rocky movies Michael Jordan and Ryan Couger. Yeah, right, right,
Speaker 2: and I would say yes. And then of course he
Speaker 2: did Black Panther in Wakanda Forever. So so far that's one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: This is his fifth movie. I'd say he's five for five.
Speaker 1: Oh, Roddy Te's had a chart up of all of
Speaker 1: his movies. I think he's six for six. You might
Speaker 1: be missing one, but he's either high eighties or nineties
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clearly once again, like hand him the keys
Speaker 2: to whatever, you know, key to the city, let him
Speaker 2: do whatever the.
Speaker 1: Hell whiles I believe is his next thing, right.
Speaker 2: Well not yeah, they've been talking about it. What's officially announced,
Speaker 2: at least on IMDb is he has Isaah Wakonda coming
Speaker 2: up I think at the end of this year, which
Speaker 2: is in the MCU. And then something called Wrong Answer,
Speaker 2: and the synopsis for that is a math teacher in
Speaker 2: Atlanta is scandalized when he looks to get funding for
Speaker 2: his school by altering his students' test scores. So that
Speaker 2: seems to harken back to the fruit Vale roots because
Speaker 2: Fruit Veil I think was based on a true story.
Speaker 2: That seems like it's based on a true story.
Speaker 1: I thought it was about every time I ask you
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan already signed on for Wrong Answer too,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm sure we'll be looking for.
Speaker 1: That many others. Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan's I Think Just Be A is not going to
Speaker 2: be in that synopsis. Goo for sinners trying to leave
Speaker 2: their troubled lives behind, twin brothers return to their hometown
Speaker 2: to start again, only to discover that an even greater
Speaker 2: evil is waiting to welcome them back. This stars Miles
Speaker 2: Catan Caton as Sammy Moore slash Preacher boy one second.
Speaker 1: So first off, he's amazing in.
Speaker 2: This his first movie ever.
Speaker 1: He does the singing in this correct that is actually
Speaker 1: really enjoy his singing voice.
Speaker 2: Hell of a voice.
Speaker 1: But I'll also say, and it's not the fault of
Speaker 1: the movie, but whenever I hear preacher Boy, I think
Speaker 1: of paper Boy and then I start singing that in
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 2: Enough. Jack O'Connell as Remick, he is the main vampire,
Speaker 2: the main villain. I guess Michael B. Jordan as both
Speaker 2: Smoke and Stack, the twin brothers that we've been talking about. Goo,
Speaker 2: your hand is raised again.
Speaker 1: In the movie. Now I could tell them at part
Speaker 1: because one had a red suit one did not. But also,
Speaker 1: did you know their names throughout the movie?
Speaker 2: Once they attached them to their loved ones, then I
Speaker 2: had it figured out. Okay, And they do separate them
Speaker 2: like at the beginning of or towards the end of
Speaker 2: that first act too, so you're kind of feeling it out.
Speaker 1: But a funny though if they called each other by
Speaker 1: the wrong name a lot, because that would have just
Speaker 1: confused everyone, but no one would have wanted to question it.
Speaker 2: What what is cool? Smoker Stack?
Speaker 1: The name Stack?
Speaker 2: I think smoke smokes cooler.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we just figured it out. I'm Stack, You're smoke.
Speaker 1: All right, sounds I'm thinking like stacking papers.
Speaker 2: Oh but huh so all right, we'll get back to that.
Speaker 2: What would you rather be? We'll ask that question.
Speaker 1: Who would I rather be?
Speaker 2: Smoke or Stack?
Speaker 1: You'll have to tell me at the end which ones?
Speaker 2: Which strong cough I have there. David Maldonado as Hogwood,
Speaker 2: he's the guy that sells the property to smoke Stack.
Speaker 1: I also want that name, though.
Speaker 2: Hogwood, you want to be Stack, Hogwood, Hogwood, Stack, Hogwood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Helena Who as Lisa Chow. She is the Chinese wife
Speaker 2: and mother. Uh just yao. Apparently this gentleman just goes
Speaker 2: by Yao. As Bo Chow, he was great. He's the
Speaker 2: father husband, del Ray, Lindo has Delta Slim. Was awesome.
Speaker 2: Every line of dialogue he.
Speaker 1: Said was Was he in too much of the movie
Speaker 1: to give him plemonade?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, he's fully in two thirds
Speaker 2: of the movie.
Speaker 1: But look at the billing though, look how far down
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: But all right, Credit Union, Max, Credit Union.
Speaker 2: It is a real group of characters here, Jamie Lawson
Speaker 2: as Pearline. She was great too. You would know her
Speaker 2: as Bella Reale from the Batman Universe. She plays a
Speaker 2: nice role in this Goo. Hailey Steinfeld is Mary. You
Speaker 2: want to talk plemonade. There's your fucking plemonade.
Speaker 1: Right, he's in't too much of the movie. No, she's not,
Speaker 1: And she's like second billing. If you look at the posters,
Speaker 1: she's on the poster, you can't give her.
Speaker 2: She's second billing. But she only has what like eleven manes.
Speaker 1: No, you may plemonade in your pants when you saw her,
Speaker 1: but come on, yeah, that's what you did.
Speaker 2: This is a pe program here. Uh Goo Omar Betson
Speaker 2: Miller as Cornbread. You might remember him from eight mile
Speaker 2: I Love when this dude pops up.
Speaker 1: He's also on what was the Rock?
Speaker 2: It goes in the Chittn' tickey, don't freaking goes Done Done,
Speaker 2: Dune freaking goes.
Speaker 1: What was that show with the Rock and Rob Kaudrey
Speaker 1: where they played agents. It wasn't Entourage, but it was
Speaker 1: Football Ballers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ballers on HBO. There you go. Uh one
Speaker 2: Meme Masaku as Annie. This is Smoke's love interest. Mary
Speaker 2: is stacked love interest. Uh, you would know her as
Speaker 2: I wish you'd be fifteen in the Marvel universe in the.
Speaker 1: MCU oh, I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's her.
Speaker 1: And then also she you know, also some I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say voodoo people accuse her of you of voodoo. In
Speaker 1: the movie, she is like loosely aware of She's the
Speaker 1: one that everyone know what the rules are. She's the
Speaker 1: Jimmie Kennedy of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. We also get Buddy Guy as old Sammywards
Speaker 2: the end of the movie noted blues Legend. That was great,
Speaker 2: and then a couple other characters here. Saw Williams as
Speaker 2: Jedi Dier. That's Preacher Boy's father the Preacher Andreine Warren
Speaker 2: Hummon is Ruthie Tanaje l Jackson's Beatrice. Sam Malone is Terry.
Speaker 2: I put him in here because his one scene is
Speaker 2: when he's robbing the truck and he shot in the
Speaker 2: leg Are you great fucking scene? And then the other
Speaker 2: two main vampires we meet it at some point. The
Speaker 2: first two that get turned are Peter Dromanus as Bert
Speaker 2: and Lola Kirk as Joan, and they were perfect at
Speaker 2: like playing second fiddle as well. The casting of this
Speaker 2: movie was a plus. They fucking absolutely nailed that.
Speaker 1: Oh, the casting, the like so much of this movie.
Speaker 1: I think you got a Cinema score of like an a.
Speaker 1: So much of this movie and the feel of this
Speaker 1: movie is a plus.
Speaker 2: It feels like a movie that did everything right and
Speaker 2: so the only real things you can nitpick or or
Speaker 2: script decisions. And I think that's sort of where I'm at, Like,
Speaker 2: I have no gripes about anything this movie other than
Speaker 2: like when things take place in the story in something
Speaker 2: they decided to do or not do. So it's a
Speaker 2: really hard movie to criticize in that way, and I
Speaker 2: think that's why you're seeing such high scores, because they
Speaker 2: nail every aspect of what makes a movie good.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that it does lack in the horror department,
Speaker 1: but I'm not necessarily looking for a truly spooky scary
Speaker 1: movie here.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And I think if someone came into
Speaker 2: this wanting full vampire movies, you might be not a
Speaker 2: little disappointed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going into this looking for the full vampire,
Speaker 1: gore zombie monster movie, it ain't that yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree, I agree, and go another thing
Speaker 2: that I think was this movie's strong point is it
Speaker 2: essentially takes place over one day. You have like a
Speaker 2: final fifteen minutes or so that is not taking place
Speaker 2: that day, but the core of the movie. This, the
Speaker 2: plot of this movie takes place one day. And I
Speaker 2: love that. It's just like you're in and you're out.
Speaker 2: It helps with the pacing. Even though it's a two
Speaker 2: hour and seventeen minute movie, it didn't feel long. He
Speaker 2: almost needed a little bit more. Like I said, the
Speaker 2: music and the scores unreal and music is such a
Speaker 2: central part of this more movie and storytelling, and they
Speaker 2: use it in fantastical ways. There's a couple truly great
Speaker 2: musical scenes here. I just I have like some questions
Speaker 2: and maybe a couple cons.
Speaker 1: We can do that in spoilers, though, because I think
Speaker 1: we can dive a little bit deeper. Let's do the
Speaker 1: gauntlet real quick. I actually added one if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: but okay, quite along with me. Let's go with fun factor.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was the first even before we
Speaker 1: got to the vampires. I thought that of Preacher Boy
Speaker 1: with his cousins and going to set up their day,
Speaker 1: I thought that was wildly fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like if when you really nail a
Speaker 2: setting in a period piece, it becomes fun because it's
Speaker 2: like it's history and you're like, oh, this is what
Speaker 2: it was like that, and you're like gripped by everything
Speaker 2: on the screen. And that's why I like, I'm having
Speaker 2: a heart, Like when I'm thinking about this movie in
Speaker 2: retrospect a couple of days removed, like, man, they did
Speaker 2: that well, they did this well, they nailed that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this movie might be going up on the dog scale,
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's a very fun movie, setting, characters, music,
Speaker 2: Like it's a very fun movie.
Speaker 1: Also, as the movie goes along, you find out a
Speaker 1: little bit more each minute about smoke Stack and preach
Speaker 1: a boy and their family.
Speaker 2: Right, and and that's so maybe if this took place
Speaker 2: over a week instead of a day, you would have
Speaker 2: gotten more of that. I don't know if it's better,
Speaker 2: but I like how. I like how you get the tidbits,
Speaker 2: you know, But.
Speaker 1: I also don't need perfect bows tied on everything. I
Speaker 1: like some things left to not the imagination. But like
Speaker 1: you can interpret it different ways.
Speaker 2: And there's something to be said about like leaving the
Speaker 2: theater wanting more of this in that you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you brought that up, satisfactor. I
Speaker 1: think this movie does an amazing job of giving you
Speaker 1: a very satisfying ending, but I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: wanted that.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm somewhere in and around there with you. It
Speaker 2: walks a fine line at the end that I think
Speaker 2: I liked, but I don't know if I liked, And
Speaker 2: I'm sure as we have this conversation, I'll make my
Speaker 2: mind up on that. There is a very satisfying Tarantino
Speaker 2: like conclusion to our main story. And then there's like
Speaker 2: a epilogue kind of mid credit scene that continues the
Speaker 2: story and like it gives you a definitive answer to
Speaker 2: a certain question. And I don't know if it needed that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tip my hand. I didn't care for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's fair, And.
Speaker 1: The Tarantino ending almost makes it feel like that was
Speaker 1: the ending of a movie that say, if they didn't
Speaker 1: have the vampires, that would be the conclusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting and that part was satisfying, but
Speaker 2: it's not the actual end of the movie, which is
Speaker 2: why it's like, okay, And again, I wonder if when
Speaker 2: when Koogler was writing the script, like when he decided
Speaker 2: to put vampires in this movie. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was something that he had from the
Speaker 2: beginning or not. And the movie doesn't.
Speaker 1: Tell you that or not borometer not boring.
Speaker 2: It's not a boring movie because even.
Speaker 1: The stuff that I and I'm not even saying I
Speaker 1: don't like it. I just think I would have liked
Speaker 1: the end to be a different spot. But that stuff
Speaker 1: isn't boring. It's interesting. I'm just not sure if I
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even though it takes a little bit to
Speaker 2: get into the vampire element of this movie, because they
Speaker 2: nailed like the time and place of nineteen thirty South,
Speaker 2: like that stuff is not born.
Speaker 1: I had the most fun in the setup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, agreed, Halloween.
Speaker 1: Will this movie wane over time?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think that this will be more appreciated over time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think I already appreciate it
Speaker 2: more than I did when I left the theater. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be like in our top
Speaker 2: four by years end. I have a feeling like it's
Speaker 2: probably just gonna miss out, but it'll be in the conversation,
Speaker 2: It'll be at the very least like horrible mention for
Speaker 2: a best movie of the year.
Speaker 1: Hawk water World. It's better than water World for sure. Spooky, scary,
Speaker 1: did you jump at all?
Speaker 2: No, So it's not going back to your point about
Speaker 2: horror movies. It's not really a great horror movie, right.
Speaker 2: But also like vampire stuff never really leads to great
Speaker 2: horror movies either. You know, like I, you're never truly
Speaker 2: scared by vampires, right, it's just they are what.
Speaker 1: Even the vampires in this I wasn't afraid of the vampires.
Speaker 1: I found like like I did even find them eerie.
Speaker 2: They were the only like eerie shot. Oh, there's a
Speaker 2: couple scenes actually, when Cornbread goes out to take a piss,
Speaker 2: when you hear the voices, that was cool and like spooky.
Speaker 1: And then there's one musical thing. There's a musical thing
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then when Mary goes out to confront them and
Speaker 2: she turns and you see remick like float dish. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't like that. That's how you vampires do.
Speaker 1: You don't know what vampires do. I don't max credit Union.
Speaker 1: I want to give credit to the people that decided
Speaker 1: that we're gonna play by the normal rules of vampires.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna create our own rules. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: sparkle in the sun. If it's the sun, they're gonna burn.
Speaker 1: If they're not invited in a house, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: go in. They don't like garlic. If you have silver,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna attack you. Credit.
Speaker 2: I give credit to Ryan Kugler for having.
Speaker 1: He probably made the rules, so I'll give him credits together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is like a This is a clear
Speaker 2: credit to Ryan Cougler for making this movie.
Speaker 1: When life gives you plemings, you make plemonade. You said,
Speaker 1: I can't give it to the old blues singer, So.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can give it to Dell, right, No,
Speaker 2: I think he's in it too much. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed him, all right.
Speaker 2: I am giving it goo to Hailey Steinfeld is married.
Speaker 1: He's in it as much as him.
Speaker 2: She's in the third act more, but she's not really
Speaker 2: in the movie that much until then she gets She's
Speaker 2: in like two scenes before the third act and both
Speaker 2: are tour de forces, and then in the third act
Speaker 2: gup once she comes back into the little what do
Speaker 2: they call it, the juke. There she delivers two lines
Speaker 2: of dialogue that I'm gonna be thinking about for years,
Speaker 2: for years. She brought, she kicked this movie up to
Speaker 2: another level. Without her, this movie is still really good,
Speaker 2: but it's missing something. Her performance was fucking great.
Speaker 1: Excite bike Man, pants tan City. What got you going? Mac?
Speaker 1: And we know the answer.
Speaker 2: Hailey Steinfeld. I'll tell you that. When she says want some,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh dude, and she has a line
Speaker 2: about Robin trains and we'll get it too that in
Speaker 2: a second, I was like, that is a fucking incredible
Speaker 2: The fact that Kugler wrote that this movie, by the way,
Speaker 2: we have this is a perfect time to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Excited byke Mania pants tense City. This movie is horny
Speaker 2: as fuck. This movie is sexy. I Ryan Kugler, I
Speaker 2: fucking you, dog, you you you went out of your
Speaker 2: way to put in a couple of scenes in this
Speaker 2: movie that were full pants tense City. And credit to you,
Speaker 2: my man.
Speaker 1: And also, it's sexy, no nudity.
Speaker 2: No nudy. Yeah you're right, and it's still uber sexy.
Speaker 1: It's horny as f and sweaty. Well yeah, you're sweat
Speaker 1: till you stink, I want to taste you. For those
Speaker 1: of you TARTI to the Mack and Goop party. We
Speaker 1: rate everything on a forty hot Dog rating system. MAC.
Speaker 1: I love the look of this movie. I love the
Speaker 1: period piece. I love following around the twins, uh, Preacher Boy,
Speaker 1: I love I like every character in this movie. They
Speaker 1: went and made it where you root for every character
Speaker 1: in this movie, even the ones that when they first
Speaker 1: jump in there, you're like, I hate this guy. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I actually like this guy.
Speaker 2: The vampires at one point there's a fucking musical song
Speaker 2: and dance like in the Rain. Almost you're like, I
Speaker 2: think I'm rudy for these guys now, Like I it
Speaker 2: makes you question everything.
Speaker 1: There's also a scene in the juke where Preacher Boy
Speaker 1: is playing, where I'm not I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: love every choice of like the musicians that pop up
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: It's a transition.
Speaker 1: It's a cool idea, But I think the better shot
Speaker 1: is the shot from the vampires after mine. I agree
Speaker 1: that it looks awesome.
Speaker 2: That was really cool, where it like the walls had
Speaker 2: been burnt down and they pulled back to the point
Speaker 2: of view of the three Vampires.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that tracking shot that I also really enjoyed
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan his charisma to be able to pull
Speaker 1: off both of these characters, and I really fucking love
Speaker 1: this movie. My issue is that I think there was
Speaker 1: a clear point that they could have cut it and
Speaker 1: had almost like this inception like ending of where preach
Speaker 1: a boy is and that's you don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen next, Maybe he deal, let's talk about it after.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far into the end,
Speaker 1: but the ending does make me say like, oh there,
Speaker 1: I think there was a tidy or not even a
Speaker 1: tightier because like the end that they give you is
Speaker 1: really satisfactory. It's just that I don't know if I
Speaker 1: wanted that satisfactory ending thirty six or thirty seven hot Dogs.
Speaker 2: Cool, cool, fucking motherfucker. So when I left the theater,
Speaker 2: I was thinking thirty six Hot Dogs like good, borderline,
Speaker 2: great movie, a movie that I've been thinking about and
Speaker 2: telling people to watch. That's what we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: Like I want people to see this movie because I
Speaker 2: think it's a really interesting and deep conversation you can
Speaker 2: have about this movie. I do have some caveats in
Speaker 2: there though caveatsbats. I was a little distracted at first
Speaker 2: with the two Michael Bees. Took a little use, a
Speaker 2: little time to get used to it, got over it
Speaker 2: when they I liked them. They separated them so I
Speaker 2: didn't have to look it to on screen at the
Speaker 2: same time and like look to see if like where
Speaker 2: they cut it and where a body double? Is my
Speaker 2: main gripe here though, goo is we don't get into it.
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't even sniff or get introduced or
Speaker 2: think about vampires until like forty five minutes into this movie,
Speaker 2: and you just have Remick being chased by Native Americans
Speaker 2: into a house, and You're like, I knew we were
Speaker 2: getting vampires, but I'm like, this is how we're doing it.
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a random outbreak, and like,
Speaker 2: why are the Native Americans even introduced into this movie? Ultimately?
Speaker 2: And I supposed it all over one day, so you
Speaker 2: can sort of excuse where they go and like why
Speaker 2: they don't do a certain thing or pop up here
Speaker 2: or there. I just feel like we needed a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a background of a build up for
Speaker 2: rem who's our main villain here, or like an earlier
Speaker 2: infusion of vampires into this story, or some drops while
Speaker 2: we were in that town, right, someone in the shadows
Speaker 2: or something like that. And I also think making Remick
Speaker 2: slightly more sympathetic would have bumped up the climax of
Speaker 2: this movie, which I loved. It was a great scene,
Speaker 2: but you're not really rooting for Remick until that moment
Speaker 2: because of what he's saying, and I wish we had
Speaker 2: a little more sympathy on his end. It would have
Speaker 2: made him a better villain. So I loved everything else
Speaker 2: about this movie. I just that's my main gripe about
Speaker 2: the story, and I think it's a legit gripe, where
Speaker 2: like the vampire stuff feels uneven and like you just
Speaker 2: maybe needed it spotted earlier or a couple more things
Speaker 2: maybe explained. I have this at thirty seven hot Dogs.
Speaker 2: It's gone up definitively for me. The more I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about it, and the more I'm thinking about how layered
Speaker 2: this movie is and the themes that they're playing with
Speaker 2: and the dialogue, it's just a c And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised if this goes up to thirty eight by
Speaker 2: the end of the year, Like that's the type of
Speaker 2: move we're talking about. It's a movie you'll be thinking
Speaker 2: about all year. It's a movie you're gonna want your
Speaker 2: friends to see so that you can talk to them
Speaker 2: about it. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: Also, before we get to the spoilers, I love the
Speaker 1: conclusion for like the conclusion to each story for both
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's.
Speaker 2: It was fitting, really fitting for both characters. But to
Speaker 2: your point, they do sort of tie things up in
Speaker 2: a nice, neat little bow. And did we need that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think, I like, I do. I
Speaker 2: did like it, But did it make the movie better?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Spoiler spoiler spoiler, spoiler spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler spoiler. We
Speaker 1: have one Michael B. Jordan that is able to die
Speaker 1: and go on to the afterlife with smoke smoke okay uh,
Speaker 1: with his child who passed and with what's her name?
Speaker 2: Annie?
Speaker 1: Annie her name? And then we have the other Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan to stack who was able to live his life
Speaker 1: and move on to a time when his love with
Speaker 1: Hailey Steinfeld's character would be more accepted.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the the mid credit or epilogue, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, is a sixty year time jump
Speaker 2: and we see Preacher Boy has opened up his own
Speaker 2: blues club in Chicago, so homage to Smoke and Stack,
Speaker 2: and he calls it Pearlins, which is like one night
Speaker 2: only and that man got krypt in and we'll never
Speaker 2: forget that woman ever, and he's playing the blues up there,
Speaker 2: and then at the end of the night, Stack and
Speaker 2: Mary have to be invited into the joint. They have
Speaker 2: this conversation that cuts back to the moment where Smoke,
Speaker 2: where you thought Smoke had killed Stack, turns out that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. Obviously. We're seeing him here and he says,
Speaker 2: and this was a little corny, He's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let you live as long as you don't like touch
Speaker 2: Preacher Boy. Don't ever affect Preacher Boy. Let that man
Speaker 2: live his life. And it's just like him and Mary
Speaker 2: being cool as fuck in nineteen ninety two, where in
Speaker 2: ninety shit like they're like, we bought all your albums.
Speaker 2: We kind of watched you from afar, Like it was
Speaker 2: cool to see that Stack and Mary had like lived
Speaker 2: on and like they're still doing their thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I needed them to come back together with
Speaker 2: Preacher Boys.
Speaker 1: So I'm not critiquing this amazing movie, but I think
Speaker 1: it would have been enough if they said, are we
Speaker 1: allowed to invite these people in? He says yes, but
Speaker 1: kind of cautiously, and then you just see them either
Speaker 1: walk to the door or walk in the door, and
Speaker 1: that's it. So you know that they're still around. You
Speaker 1: know that they've lived together and had their life together,
Speaker 1: and maybe Preacher Boy has also been dealing with them
Speaker 1: for the sixty years since, but we don't know this,
Speaker 1: like we have to fill in the gaps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with a lot of what you're saying,
Speaker 2: And this is why I'm having trouble deciding whether I
Speaker 2: liked this mid credit epilogue type of thing because there
Speaker 2: was a couple I What I did love is seeing
Speaker 2: the fact that Stack and Mary, who were like soulmates,
Speaker 2: got to live their lives.
Speaker 1: Which all you had to do was to see them
Speaker 1: though you didn't need the conversation out.
Speaker 2: And you almost didn't need to see them if if
Speaker 2: it was just like, hey, we have two people at
Speaker 2: the door then and know if they can come in.
Speaker 1: And now that's it.
Speaker 2: But I think I think that would have been would
Speaker 2: have been cool. But then when they were leaving. I
Speaker 2: fucking loved the acknowledgement, Preacher Boy says to Stack. He
Speaker 2: was like, hey, when you said like this was the
Speaker 2: best day of my life or that one that night
Speaker 2: was the best night of my life, were you like
Speaker 2: being truthful? And they're like, yeah, that was like the
Speaker 2: last time we were truly free for that one night.
Speaker 2: And like I thought that line of dialogue hit and
Speaker 2: that was cool and that was cool to have like
Speaker 2: that that conversation happened. But I didn't love the like
Speaker 2: they sat down chumped it up for a second like
Speaker 2: that I didn't love. I did love that Stack and
Speaker 2: Mary like that love last forever, and I loved that
Speaker 2: the acknowledgment of like the music and the blues or
Speaker 2: when they were truly free. That was like they died
Speaker 2: that night, but it was the best night of their life.
Speaker 1: And then also with Smoke's death, While yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: cool to get that Tarantino shootout at the end, I
Speaker 1: had almost like so when Preacher Boy goes back to
Speaker 1: the ch I kind of said to myself, oh, I
Speaker 1: bet Smoke is gonna deal with the Ku Klux Klan now,
Speaker 1: like off on his own and like I said it
Speaker 1: in my head and just said, okay, we'll just move
Speaker 1: on from this. But then they showed it.
Speaker 2: Shout Out the Strangers one of my all time favorite
Speaker 2: horror movies. They open and close the movie the same
Speaker 2: way they do here. The opening of that movie is
Speaker 2: the children walking down the street and the strangers are
Speaker 2: pulled over and they get the fucking the religious pamphlets
Speaker 2: and then they walk up to the house see it,
Speaker 2: and it cuts back. Same sort of thing here we
Speaker 2: cut It opens with Sammy preacher boy, pulling up to
Speaker 2: the church, and we cut back to that. So I
Speaker 2: do like that. So getting to Smoke's death, I absolutely
Speaker 2: loved the climax of this movie Goo with Remick having
Speaker 2: Sammy like in the Shallows, getting ready to end him.
Speaker 2: The dialogue there between the two characters is fucking incredible.
Speaker 2: And then when Sammy starts reciting the Ae Father and
Speaker 2: Remick is also saying it, and he's like, these words
Speaker 2: aren't gonna save you. They don't belong to you. They
Speaker 2: are forced on you the same way they were forced
Speaker 2: on me when my people got you know, taken over.
Speaker 2: Like that is just such brilliant writing and moment like
Speaker 2: these these words might comfort you, but they're not gonna
Speaker 2: save you. Like these words are just another form of repression.
Speaker 2: You're being repressed right now for racial reasons, but like
Speaker 2: religion is the same shit. Like that's what Remick is
Speaker 2: hammering home. And now you know the oppressed, the oppressed
Speaker 2: becomes the oppressor. So not that Remi's right, but like
Speaker 2: what he's saying is right. And I really loved that that,
Speaker 2: Like the dynamic there, the lines, the things they're connecting
Speaker 2: there was fucking great. And then Smoke saved Sammy in
Speaker 2: a fantastic way, and like then the sun comes out
Speaker 2: and they all get burnt up, and you think they're
Speaker 2: all dead until you see Stack and Mary in the
Speaker 2: post credit, and then you get like that what final
Speaker 2: ten minutes where Smoke is preparing for the clan members
Speaker 2: to come that next morning, and it's great. He fucking
Speaker 2: demolishes him in a fantastic Tarantino style like shootout, and
Speaker 2: then I did It was a beautiful scene where he's
Speaker 2: sitting there because he's mortally wounded too, and he looks
Speaker 2: to the right and he sees Annie who died the
Speaker 2: night before, and their dead son or daughter.
Speaker 1: I forget who but he also had to kill her.
Speaker 1: He had to free her spirit when she became a vampire.
Speaker 2: Right and then like they see the like that was
Speaker 2: a really cool scene.
Speaker 1: It was. I just wasn't sure if I needed that
Speaker 1: scene though.
Speaker 2: Annie. He has a great line of dialogue though she
Speaker 2: calls him by his real name, which I forget, and
Speaker 2: she says put that out. I don't want any smoke
Speaker 2: on her saying I don't want first of all, the smoke,
Speaker 2: but like, I don't want the character of smoke in
Speaker 2: the afterlife. I want the real youth. That was a
Speaker 2: great line of dialogue too. It was a really cool death,
Speaker 2: great way.
Speaker 1: My wife said the same thing to me, but she
Speaker 1: said goo, I was holding slime at the time.
Speaker 2: Yes. So, getting back to your overarching point about things
Speaker 2: being kind of tied up in a nice, neat little knot,
Speaker 2: I think there's some people that are gonna be really
Speaker 2: satisfied by that. How like the characters we thought were super.
Speaker 1: Cool satisfactors through the Roof, I just don't I also think.
Speaker 2: There are people more Cinophiles that are going to be
Speaker 2: like for the story, it would have been better if
Speaker 2: they cut it off here.
Speaker 1: Because I think it would have been its best ending
Speaker 1: with Preacher Boy's father saying put that guitar down, and
Speaker 1: then it just cuts to him on the road holding
Speaker 1: it the guitar and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I liked and I love because and it
Speaker 2: goes back to his conversation with Stack in the future.
Speaker 2: He chooses music and the blues over the religion because
Speaker 2: the music and the blues is when he's truly free.
Speaker 2: It's truly when he's himself and he like he is
Speaker 2: bringing up those souls and everything from the.
Speaker 1: But you could have just you didn't need that conversation.
Speaker 1: You could have just no, I had movie get that.
Speaker 2: I get that, and that's where and that's where I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, maybe you're you're you're closer to
Speaker 2: forty hot Dogs if there's a little more of that
Speaker 2: inceptioning stuff that you're talking about there. But like, the
Speaker 2: music is fucking fantastic, dude. Like the soundtrack and like,
Speaker 2: what is it Lugwood Gordonson who did the score and
Speaker 2: the music for this movie. Fucking phenomenal dude, Like one
Speaker 2: of the most memorable soundtracks and scores in a while.
Speaker 2: And like the music is a character in this movie.
Speaker 2: The setting, the time, the place, to character. Like, this
Speaker 2: movie just does everything well. It does everything well.
Speaker 1: I also loved when Smoke revealed that the guitar was
Speaker 1: their fathers. Yeah that was great, and that Sack had
Speaker 1: lied about where they got it from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was good. And there was like so
Speaker 2: that's the other thing too, Like we don't get much
Speaker 2: about their background, Like they allude to fighting in World
Speaker 2: War One, you know, they left, go to Chicago, come back.
Speaker 2: We don't get like any background there. We don't get
Speaker 2: the I think what we needed was some vampire background.
Speaker 2: So that's where I have like some.
Speaker 1: We also like we don't truly know what they did
Speaker 1: to get their money.
Speaker 2: It's just right right, yeah, Rob the Irish and the
Speaker 2: Italians in Chicago. Like, and that's where at two hours
Speaker 2: and seventeen minutes, I know this is technically a long movie,
Speaker 2: but it feels like we needed like another ten minutes
Speaker 2: of that stuff and maybe five minutes less on the.
Speaker 1: Back, I would have preferred that stuff over the satisfactory ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I get that. I get that, And and I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm quite as far they're saying, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I like I did like a lot
Speaker 2: of what we got at the end. But I agree,
Speaker 2: like with with your sentiment there, but like that's what
Speaker 2: we're talking about, Like we're nitpicking because it's a great movie.
Speaker 1: We should have said this at the beginning, we recommend
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: So like I feel like I'm having a thirty seven
Speaker 2: hot dogs and I'm like, as I'm talking about, maybe
Speaker 2: it is thirty eight. Like it's not a forty hot
Speaker 2: dog movie. Don't get me wrong, It's not gonna it's
Speaker 2: not gonna get to that pantheon, but it is one
Speaker 2: of the best movies of the year, and it is
Speaker 2: gonna be a movie you think about all year.
Speaker 1: Are there any of your questions, cons and pros that
Speaker 1: we did not get to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we talked about the vampire stuff. Again, I
Speaker 2: wanted early intro remic, being more sympathetic would have been better.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Also, here's a big question for you. We
Speaker 2: didn't talk about this. What did you think about Grace
Speaker 2: and them setting up her daughter and that being the
Speaker 2: reason for them to yell for the vampire. They they
Speaker 2: did need a reason. I don't know. That's why I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I loved it, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how you do it better than what they chose
Speaker 2: to do it. They like intentionally set it up so
Speaker 2: that she had the daughter to motivate her in that scene.
Speaker 2: I get it. I don't know if I loved it,
Speaker 2: But where the fuck did the Native Americans go?
Speaker 1: I was asking that the entire time, and I thought
Speaker 1: at some point they were going to show up to
Speaker 1: help the final two or three living people, or like.
Speaker 2: That morning when the clan arrived, like they roll up
Speaker 2: on Michael as he's already like took taking them out,
Speaker 2: Like it was just it was weird, like and that's it.
Speaker 2: It goes back to like they're in the vampire introduction
Speaker 2: scene and that scene feels really out of place because
Speaker 2: they're there and the vampires there forty five minutes in
Speaker 2: we never ever see them again, and like that's how
Speaker 2: we get the vampire intro that. Like I didn't love that.
Speaker 2: I really didn't love how the vampire stuff came into it,
Speaker 2: and I didn't love how the Native Americans just never
Speaker 2: came back.
Speaker 1: Are there any of your pros that.
Speaker 2: There's also an actual post credit of the gentleman who
Speaker 2: played Sammy Miles, Cat and katan On Isaay's name, uh
Speaker 2: playing music for like a minute at the end, him singing, I.
Speaker 1: Wish I stayed for that. I thought that singing in
Speaker 1: the music in this was fantastic.
Speaker 2: That man has an incredible voice. Incredible voice.
Speaker 1: Can you recommend this to non horror people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not that scary. It's just it's an
Speaker 2: element of it. It's more of a thriller than it
Speaker 2: is like a horror like I. And there is some
Speaker 2: blood in a little bit of gore, but it's not
Speaker 2: over the top and I don't think it's something that
Speaker 2: people wouldn't be able to stomach if you're not into that.
Speaker 2: I think this is a movie you can recommend to everyone.
Speaker 1: And they're also not using the vampires as monsters as
Speaker 1: much as they were using them to just get the
Speaker 1: point across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more of an allegory and it's and it's
Speaker 2: more of a storytelling element than it is to scare people.
Speaker 1: Let's get into Max Sack. Ma Sack could be anything.
Speaker 1: It could be a boat and Mac. In the movie
Speaker 1: that we just saw, Michael B. Jordan played not one
Speaker 1: but two characters. I Am gonna run through the Mount
Speaker 1: rushmore of I believe the greatest actor playing two characters
Speaker 1: in a movie, maybe more than two characters in a movie.
Speaker 1: Tell me if you believe Michael B. Jordan did a
Speaker 1: better job than the actors that I read off.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan versus Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks.
Speaker 2: I'll take Michael be here.
Speaker 1: He plays the president, he plays that other guy. You
Speaker 1: don't like it.
Speaker 2: It might be one of Jack Nicholson's finest roles.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's your weezer take, that's your the shining No
Speaker 1: One flew over a Cuckoo's Nest, No Mars Attacks. Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan versus Mike Myers in the Austin Powers trilogy.
Speaker 2: As much as I enjoy that, and as much as
Speaker 2: I enjoy Eddie Murphy as I'm sure you're gonna bring
Speaker 2: up in a second, don't you give me Michael B.
Speaker 2: Give me Michael B.
Speaker 1: Austin Powers, Doctor Evil, Fat Bastard, gold Member, give me
Speaker 1: Michael B. I'm taking Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Fair enough.
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan versus Eddie Murphy in all of his movies.
Speaker 2: I'll take Michael B.
Speaker 1: Coming to America. He plays like five characters the clumps.
Speaker 1: He's all of the clumps, not professor in Norbit. He's
Speaker 1: both Norbert and resputant. Respuccha Respoocha, not resputing Rah Rah Resputin.
Speaker 1: All right, how about this one then, Michael B. Jordan
Speaker 1: versus Lindsey Lowe in The Parent Trap.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking. Now we're talking here. This is a
Speaker 2: real tough one. You got Lindsay Lohan playing American Lindsay Lohan,
Speaker 2: and you have Lindsay Lohan playing British Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 1: That was the joke that I made earlier, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you might go Lindsay Lohan here.
Speaker 2: She really showed her acting chops with her British accent.
Speaker 1: Is double Lindsay Lohan the greatest twin role of all time?
Speaker 2: It just might be.
Speaker 1: It just might be because also she was such an unknown
Speaker 1: that you thought there actually were two of her.
Speaker 2: I thought there was two twins, much like the Olsen twins,
Speaker 2: so just.
Speaker 1: Had their movie It Takes Two, pretty much the exact
Speaker 1: same movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought there was two Lindsay Lohans for five
Speaker 2: years until like early two thousands, when you figure out, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just her.
Speaker 1: As a part of my childhood. We'd always go to
Speaker 1: Maine every year. We still do this as a family,
Speaker 1: and we would stay in a cottage that wouldn't have
Speaker 1: any cable, but there'd be VCR so you'd spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time watching tapes. We would. I remember one
Speaker 1: year we just rotated it was It Takes Two and Grease?
Speaker 2: Is that why you hate Grease?
Speaker 1: And then we also had of vhs of things that
Speaker 1: we recorded off the television, so we watched a lot
Speaker 1: of There was an episode of Third Rock from the
Speaker 1: Sun where they snuck into the super Bowl, so on
Speaker 1: a loop it takes to Grease and the Third Rock
Speaker 1: from the Sun where they snuck into the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and Tommy was a baby.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Wow.
Speaker 1: If I had won more, I can make a Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is on Facebook and I keep
Speaker 1: on these keep on popping up to me. Is so
Speaker 1: there's the ai Mount rushmorees that people are making and
Speaker 1: some people, too many people are putting five faces on
Speaker 1: a rock.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so they're not even a war.
Speaker 1: That's very funny, but it makes me laugh every gold time.
Speaker 1: And like there's one rule to them. Ount Rushmore four faces,
Speaker 1: unless you're counting Bulk and Skull as one, which I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do that. I'll kay. Like, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: put two Lindsay Lohans on there, they count as one.
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Speaker 1: do news dump and then is Revenge of the Sith. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's right, so I'm sorry, Revenge of the Sith on Monday,
Speaker 1: and then maybe in news dump at the end of
Speaker 1: the week. But his thunderbolts out next week.
Speaker 2: Two weeks. I thought, but maybe you're right. It's on May,
Speaker 2: isn't It is May?
Speaker 1: Next week when Thunderbolts is out, we'll talk about Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: Give me your your your your glass half full sort
Speaker 2: of expectation for Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1: Like as a positive or a negative class.
Speaker 2: Half full is a positive.
Speaker 1: Team dynamic.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was expecting more like never mind.
Speaker 1: I thought we're back in the pyramid.
Speaker 2: It was a bad question. It was a worse answer.
Speaker 1: It's like that Ryan Coogler movie that's coming out.
Speaker 2: I meant, it's a good callback right there. I met like,
Speaker 2: if this movie is gonna be good, how is it
Speaker 2: gonna how is how is it gonna affect like the MCU.
Speaker 1: If it's gonna be good, it's gonna be on the
Speaker 1: back of this team. The team dynamic will be what
Speaker 1: makes it good, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, that's a fair answer. I think. I
Speaker 2: think of this movie is gonna be good, it's because
Speaker 2: Century is really cool and Century is gonna matter going forward.
Speaker 1: I think if it's bad, it's because Century is boring.
Speaker 2: That might be right too. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So Tuesdays or Goose Days, I abuse kangaroos, Jimbarton.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
Speaker 1: the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines. Trimbopolines,