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<v Speaker 1>It's nice size. I'm telling you crazy Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thank you, Madison appreciated on that game three.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be in New York on Saturday afternoon, so I

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<v Speaker 3>will be able to watch that game like all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to do Nightside up. I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>a Celtics game. Good evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, welcome on in. My name is Dan Ray, host

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<v Speaker 3>of Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night here in

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<v Speaker 3>WBZ Celtics game, Red Sox game, Brewers game whatever. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>suggest to you sports fans are turned the audio down

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<v Speaker 3>on the game, watch the game. You're all good sports fans,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can listen to Nightside. You can multitask, that's

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<v Speaker 3>no problem. My name is Dan Ray, and Rob is

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<v Speaker 3>off again tonight, but we're delighted to have Brew Brian

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<v Speaker 3>Butt with us again. And we will have Brian with

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<v Speaker 3>us tonight, his second night flying the plane for us here,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody sit back and relax.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be just fine.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be talking tucking later on this evening, beginning

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<v Speaker 3>at nine o'clock about the news story of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is the election of the first American pope.

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<v Speaker 3>Pope Leo the fourteenth, formerly Cardinal Robert Privo of Chicago

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<v Speaker 3>and also Peru, and we'll kind of work through.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a couple of guests lined up who can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the process and his background. And it was stunning,

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<v Speaker 3>is the I think it's the two hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seventh pope in the history of the Catholic Church, first

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<v Speaker 3>from the United States, and of course we've only been

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<v Speaker 3>around two in and fifty years, so the first I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, first two thousand, the first couple one hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and forty really don't count, but anyway, well

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<v Speaker 3>they do count for the church, but we did. We

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<v Speaker 3>weren't America then, so we could not have been competing.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have finally an American pope and those of

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<v Speaker 3>us you don't have to be a Catholic to be

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<v Speaker 3>happy about that. I think it's great and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>about that. We'll also talk about later on tonight, perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden and Joe Biden's appearance today on the View

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<v Speaker 3>that was interesting. We have some interesting sound from that

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<v Speaker 3>as well. But first, we have four really interesting guests

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<v Speaker 3>in the first hour, as we always do, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to start it off tonight with doctor Joshlyn Witstein,

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<v Speaker 3>a board certified orthopedic surgeon and Associate professor of orthopedic

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<v Speaker 3>Surgery at Duke University School of Medicine. Duke is a

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<v Speaker 3>great school buddy of mine who played basketball there many

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<v Speaker 3>many years ago and went on to.

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<v Speaker 2>A great NBA career, Jack Marin.

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<v Speaker 3>So I never went to Duke, never never been on

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<v Speaker 3>Duke's campus, but I feel a little closeness to Duke

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<v Speaker 3>University because of my friendship with Jack Marron. Doctor Witchstein,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome to night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you very good?

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've had some other good basketball players along the way,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, they've got a few and a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>good coaches as well. One that plays in the Celtics

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<v Speaker 3>right now, and we'll talk about that later. May is

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<v Speaker 3>National Arthritis Awareness Month and also National Osteoporosis Awareness and

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<v Speaker 3>Prevention Month, And anyone who is on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 3>of fifty, as I say, has an increased risk for

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<v Speaker 3>arthritis in or osteoporosis. So the first question is there

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<v Speaker 3>are a huge There has to be a huge difference

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<v Speaker 3>between these two. But I think some people, including me,

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<v Speaker 3>tend to use them interchangeably. Tell us if you could

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<v Speaker 3>in quick terms the distinctions between these two conditions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, happy to I'm always you know, I think about

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<v Speaker 4>them as being very different, of course, but if you're

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<v Speaker 4>not a doctor or in the medical field, it's confusing.

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<v Speaker 4>So osteoporosis is specifically a definition of thinning of the

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<v Speaker 4>or loss of bone density. So it's you know, how

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<v Speaker 4>dense and how strong are your bones. Osteo Arthritis is

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<v Speaker 4>how worn down or worn out are your joints. So

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<v Speaker 4>the wearing down of the cartilage, formation of bones, burrs

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<v Speaker 4>and the joints, and of course our bones and our

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<v Speaker 4>joints are connected, but these are very different processes that

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<v Speaker 4>do happen to both affect people often over the age

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<v Speaker 4>of fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>So what can those of us on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 3>but approaching fifty, what can they do to ward off

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<v Speaker 3>early onset of these conditions or even worse yet, them

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<v Speaker 3>really causing significant problems as we all age.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that it's easy to talk about prevention of osteoporosis.

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<v Speaker 4>That can be sort of a lifelong preventative measure, or

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<v Speaker 4>it could be something that you start working on even

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<v Speaker 4>if you've already developed some osteoporosis or loss of bone density.

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<v Speaker 4>The most important aspects of maintaining your bone density are

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<v Speaker 4>participating in strength training programs, including resistance training like lifting weights.

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<v Speaker 4>Participating in a little bit of jumping something that causes

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<v Speaker 4>some impact on your bone stimulates bone density. And then

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<v Speaker 4>while we want you to build bone density, it's also

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<v Speaker 4>important to not fall, So it's important to work on

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<v Speaker 4>balance and a little bit of agility. So fall prevention,

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<v Speaker 4>combined with making your bones more dense can help you

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<v Speaker 4>not break a bone as you get folder. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit trickier to talk about how do we prevent earthritis,

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<v Speaker 4>because one in four adults will develop arthritis at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>But one of the most preventive things that people can

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<v Speaker 4>do to reduce the risk of developing arthritis is to

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<v Speaker 4>maintain a healthy body weight, because obesity is certainly associated

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<v Speaker 4>with earthritis and progression of earthritis.

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<v Speaker 3>What about drinking milk. I'm a big milk drinker, and

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought that drinking milk, even into our time

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of fifty, on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 3>of fifty, helps with both of those conditions or is

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<v Speaker 3>that perhaps something that I was told when I was

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<v Speaker 3>young that no longer was true.

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<v Speaker 4>So milk is an excellent source of calcium. It's very

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<v Speaker 4>what we called bioavailable, meaning you can absorb it pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 4>And calcium is an important nutrient to get from your

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<v Speaker 4>diet for your bone density and your bone health. Calcium

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<v Speaker 4>isn't particularly helpful for your joint health. One thing that

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<v Speaker 4>we need to remember, though, is that when we're thinking

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<v Speaker 4>of foods that nourish your bones and help you maintain

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<v Speaker 4>bone density, calcium is just one part of the picture,

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<v Speaker 4>and it doesn't all have to come from milk. It

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<v Speaker 4>can also come from vegetables, for instance.

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<v Speaker 3>Any particular vegetables across the board, because again I'm someone

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<v Speaker 3>who listens, and if it's all vegetables, that's great, But

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<v Speaker 3>if there's a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we should.

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<v Speaker 4>Those I think the best, right, the best ones to

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<v Speaker 4>focus on in terms of plant based sources of calcium

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<v Speaker 4>are what we call cruciferous vegetables, things like broccoli, cauliflower,

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<v Speaker 4>things like that. And then one that people often don't

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<v Speaker 4>is backchoy. It has a very very available calcium content.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can get as much calcium from one cup

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so what about Okay, one of my favorite A

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<v Speaker 3>Leafy vegetables, but I also love beets and tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are good for your joints, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are Okay, Well, that's fine cover that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Russian or is my family Russian base, but I

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<v Speaker 3>feel that somewhere in my background some one of my

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<v Speaker 3>predecessors ancestors must have eaten a lot of borsh or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever beats are.

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<v Speaker 3>In of diet is so so important as we get older,

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<v Speaker 3>and and it's it's great that folks like yourself are

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<v Speaker 3>willing to talk with us about these issues because a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of us. You know, here's one that I love.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're gonna laugh at me when I say this.

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<v Speaker 3>As a kid, I used to watch Popeye the Sailor, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually linach, Spinach? Is that is that a good one?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is that over sold by Popeye the Sailor?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, I have a little bit of disappointing news

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<v Speaker 4>for you. Spinach is really not a good source of

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<v Speaker 4>calcium because it does have a lot of calcium in it,

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<v Speaker 4>it just has some other things in it called oxalates

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<v Speaker 4>that make the calcium a bit hard to absorb. So,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, spinach is good for many things in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, you get some fiber, you get some

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<v Speaker 4>other vitamins and minerals that are are good for you.

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<v Speaker 4>It has some you know, antioxidants in it that are

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<v Speaker 4>anti inflammatory. But in terms of calcium, it's actually not

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<v Speaker 4>a good source of calcium, so that it is a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit over sold.

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<v Speaker 1>In that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm one of the few people when they when they

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<v Speaker 3>offer you a vegetable at a restaurant, I'll see it

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<v Speaker 3>can't have a side of spinach, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times the waiters and waitresses look at me like, really, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Also love spin itch, you know, saud tied with garlic

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, and I eat spine. It's not that I

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<v Speaker 4>don't eat it, it's just that it shouldn't be your

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<v Speaker 4>source of calcium. And if you're trying to utilize something

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<v Speaker 4>else in your diet as a source of calcium, you

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<v Speaker 4>also don't really want to pair it with the spinach

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<v Speaker 4>because it's going to reduce the amount of calcium that

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a lot of thought that has to

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<v Speaker 3>go into our diets if we're really going to do effectively.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor I really enjoyed our conversation. Go Blue Devils, Doctor

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<v Speaker 3>jos Jocelyn Witstein, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Many people who come on our program have books, and

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<v Speaker 3>you have one called The Complete Bone and Joint Health

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<v Speaker 3>Plan Help Prevent and Treat Osteoporosis and Arthritis.

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<v Speaker 2>How can people get that book?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can find it on Amazon or on Barnes

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<v Speaker 4>and Nobles online anywhere that you purchase your books. It's

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<v Speaker 4>in bookstores and basically it's a guide for you to

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<v Speaker 4>optimize your bone and joint health, including understanding anti inflammatory

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<v Speaker 4>and bone health, diet choice, with recipes and exercises to

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<v Speaker 4>help you optimize all those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have a good audience, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 3>are very much concerned about aging and being in shape

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<v Speaker 3>throughout their entire life. So I think that probably there's

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<v Speaker 3>a few folks who have written that down and if

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<v Speaker 3>for those who didn't, the Complete Bone en Joint Health

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<v Speaker 3>Plan written by the way with a colleague doctor not

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<v Speaker 3>a doctor, or is he Sydney is a doctor Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a registered dietician, so I'm an rithspeak surgeon and

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<v Speaker 4>she's a registered dietician.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect okay. And the book The Complete Bone and Joint

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<v Speaker 3>Health Plan help prevent and treat osteoporosis and arthritis. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>very much, doctor Winstein with Stein Witstein, I appreciate it

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<v Speaker 3>very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, bye, talk again.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming back, We're going to talk with the only female

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<v Speaker 3>sheriff in the commwalth of Massachusetts, Sheriff Donna Buckley, the

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<v Speaker 3>sheriff of Barnstable County. She's the only female, the only

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<v Speaker 3>mother and the only grandmother sheriff. So if you get

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<v Speaker 3>arrested in Barnstable County, you're probably gonna get a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to enjoy the accommodations that Sheriff Buckley provides. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>with her about We're gonna highlight females and corrections and

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<v Speaker 3>tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer. Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,

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<v Speaker 3>Well tonight we're highlighting and we have been highing this month. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>Sheriff's from around the Commonwealth. But we're highlighting females tonight

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<v Speaker 3>in corrections and tackling safety on Cape Cod this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>No one was better qualified for that than Sheriff Donna Buckley.

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<v Speaker 3>She's one of fourteen county sheriffs here in Massachusetts, the

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<v Speaker 3>only female, the only mom, the only grandmother sheriff elected

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<v Speaker 3>in Massachusetts. Welcome Sheriff Buckley. How are you this evening?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm great, Dan, Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody knows Barnstable County is down there on

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<v Speaker 3>the Cape, But how many communities do you represent down there?

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<v Speaker 5>We have fifteen towns stretching all the way from woodsholl

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're a lawyer by education Suffolk University Law School.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you end up as a sheriff? I mean

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<v Speaker 3>not too many people wake up Sunday and say I

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<v Speaker 3>want to become a sheriff. I mean is It's a

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<v Speaker 3>great position, don't get me wrong, but it's not one

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<v Speaker 3>that most people gravitate towards. How did you end up,

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<v Speaker 3>and particularly as the first female, a female sheriff in

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<v Speaker 3>the history of Barnstable County. I guess it's three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty three years old, so it's about time.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. It was not on my bucket list, Dan,

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<v Speaker 5>I you know, I had an opportunity in twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>to go to work at the Sheriff's Office as general counsel,

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<v Speaker 5>and when it came time for the election, I saw

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<v Speaker 5>an opportunity to have a really important in conversation with

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<v Speaker 5>the people in Barnstable County about what direction our Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 5>Office should take. And with the prevalence of addiction and

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<v Speaker 5>mental health challenges in our criminal justice system, I heard

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<v Speaker 5>loud and clear from the voters in Barnstable County that

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<v Speaker 5>they believe what will make them safer is if we

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<v Speaker 5>provide treatment and opportunities for people to move forward with

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<v Speaker 5>support so that they do not become a recidivism statistic.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think that's praise worthy, laudatory and all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other side of the coin is that you've

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<v Speaker 3>got some you've got some tough cases down there. You've had,

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily during your term, but there was a police

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<v Speaker 3>officer shot and killed a few years ago as they

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you're familiar with more familiar with that case

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<v Speaker 3>than I am. But there's just some horrific crimes that

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<v Speaker 3>the Cape is not immune from that. We've got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of bad stuff going on. How do you balance that?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously you've got you've got to incarcerate people

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<v Speaker 3>At the same time, not everybody is looking who's incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks wants to be necessarily rehabilitated.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be a tough situation to find yourself in.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, You're right on, You're right on there.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there are some horrific, horrific crimes on the Cape.

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<v Speaker 5>We are not immune. In fact, sometimes it makes it

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<v Speaker 5>more difficult for us to get the resources that we

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<v Speaker 5>need to address the addiction and mental health, our homelessness, fuel,

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<v Speaker 5>food and security, and transportation challenges that we have on

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<v Speaker 5>the Cape because we are this tourist community. But as

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<v Speaker 5>as sheriff, if we can't that one person on a

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<v Speaker 5>going to be able to move on and have a

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<v Speaker 5>a success. And no, not everyone is going to be rehabilitated.

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<v Speaker 5>Not everyone is, but not everyone is the typical criminal

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<v Speaker 5>that you know we used to think about twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>The prevalence of addiction and mental health challenges have changed

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<v Speaker 5>the nature of who ends up in jails.

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<v Speaker 3>How much fanadol are you seeing down the cape?

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<v Speaker 5>Our share? We're seeing our share. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>talked about like it's talked about in urban communities, but

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<v Speaker 5>we're seeing our share. You know, I've heard that in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>we are sort of a prime place to sell to

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<v Speaker 5>sell drugs because of the tourist nature of our community.

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<v Speaker 5>So we are vigilant. Our Sheriff's Office in Barnstable County

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<v Speaker 5>not only does our jail, but we support all fifteen

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<v Speaker 5>local police departments through our Regional Law Enforcement Council to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that we can do the very best to

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<v Speaker 5>address the drugs issue, to make sure that our community

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on on this hour, we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 3>with a national leader in the recovery movement, And like you,

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<v Speaker 3>I stand in admiration for anyone who's able to overcome

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<v Speaker 3>an addiction. I think of my good friend, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure of someone you know very well, a mayor, former

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<v Speaker 3>Boston mayor, Martie Walsh, you know, who beat addiction and

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<v Speaker 3>has gone on to do great service for Boston and

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<v Speaker 3>also for the NHL Players Association.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to stand in awe of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want you to know on behalf of people

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<v Speaker 3>on the Cape that they appreciate whatever you can do

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever your office can do to help keep them

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<v Speaker 3>and their family safe, because unfortunately, so much crime occurs

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<v Speaker 3>even on the Cape.

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<v Speaker 2>I read about it all the time. In a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the state where you would.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of only as a good time is being had

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<v Speaker 3>by all, you know, summertime, spring fall and all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and even during the winter, but that crime is everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>So please continue the fight.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes, you know, we have these conversations and there are

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<v Speaker 5>soft on crime, you know when you talk about rehabilitation

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<v Speaker 5>and treatment. But I come from it to it from

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<v Speaker 5>a different perspective. When you think about someone who is

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<v Speaker 5>dealing with addiction and it is committing crimes to feed

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<v Speaker 5>that addiction, what is more unsafe. Lock that person up,

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<v Speaker 5>do nothing with them, let them do their time, and

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<v Speaker 5>then put them back on the streets in a worse

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<v Speaker 5>position than when they came in. Or to try to

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<v Speaker 5>address the root cause of why they're committing crimes, to

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<v Speaker 5>they can experience the power of recovery if they so choose,

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<v Speaker 5>give them the support. So it's not a soft on crime.

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<v Speaker 5>People need to be held accountable. No one wants to

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<v Speaker 5>be the victim of a crime. And making sure that

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<v Speaker 5>we do the work while people are incarcerated. Statistics show

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<v Speaker 5>that that is more likely to create a safer community

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<v Speaker 5>than simply looking at this person committed a crime, lock

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<v Speaker 5>them up, I don't want to see them again.

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<v Speaker 3>Every person you can take off and convince them to

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<v Speaker 3>get off the crime treadmill is a huge victory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge victory. So my hat's off to you

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<v Speaker 2>for any of that effort.

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<v Speaker 3>I simply am saying that that those of us who

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<v Speaker 3>spend any time in the Cape, we want to spend

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<v Speaker 3>it in a in a community where we can enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves and enjoy our family safe, safely. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually saying thank you for the work that you do,

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<v Speaker 3>and thanks to the police officers who put their lives

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<v Speaker 3>in the line every day for fellow residents and visitors

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<v Speaker 3>to Cape call it. So please take that nothing as

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<v Speaker 3>nothing more than a compliment for the work you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, absolutely, And actually I I I hear you. It's

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<v Speaker 5>it's sometimes you know other people that are listening, because

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<v Speaker 5>I hear it a lot, you know, I hear that

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<v Speaker 5>they look sort of in this this one school or

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<v Speaker 5>the other. And my goal in running for sheriff, primary

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<v Speaker 5>goal is public safety.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's got to be the primary goal. And if

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<v Speaker 3>and again there's there's a couple of ways to approach it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I congratulate you on your job, and I congratulate

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<v Speaker 3>you on breaking the glass ceiling, if you will, the

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<v Speaker 3>barriers for women and law enforcement. I have a sister

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<v Speaker 3>in law who's a former state police officer, so I

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<v Speaker 3>stand at admirate wow one who works in the interest

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<v Speaker 3>of public safety. Sheriff Buckley. Sheriff Donna Buckley, thanks so

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<v Speaker 3>much for your time. I really do appreciate it. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for what you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much. Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome when we come back We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about a tough subject, the Celtics Knick series with Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan and the Boston Globe. Nobody has watched more playoff

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<v Speaker 3>games than basketball NBA playoff games than Bob Ryan. Will

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<v Speaker 3>find out what Bob thinks about what has gone down

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<v Speaker 3>the last couple of games here in Boston, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>on their way to New York this weekend. Back on

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<v Speaker 3>Night Side, right after the News at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, basketball fans, buckle up Game three three Saturday

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<v Speaker 3>at MSG with us is a guy who, as far

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<v Speaker 3>as I'm concerned, has probably watched more NBA playoff games

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<v Speaker 3>than anyone in history. Bob, who, more than you has

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<v Speaker 3>watched NBA NBA playoff games going back through your career.

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<v Speaker 2>When you think.

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<v Speaker 7>About oh, I'm sure there's some people, but I do

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<v Speaker 7>think locally, I was thinking about this today. I may

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<v Speaker 7>be the only one around who's still active, at least

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<v Speaker 7>mildly active, who goes back to the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, but the only what I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, think about it, how many how many teams during

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<v Speaker 3>your career have had anywhere close to the number of

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<v Speaker 3>playoff games that the that the Celtics have played in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really mean that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I know the Celtics. Yeah, oh no, I go back.

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<v Speaker 7>My first game I attended was as a student at

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<v Speaker 7>Boston College nineteen sixty six, Game seventh, Red Hourbacks final game,

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<v Speaker 7>and the first game I covered was the game five

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<v Speaker 7>as a playoff Game five in nineteen seventy the Knicks

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<v Speaker 7>and the Lakers. And by the way, today is the

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<v Speaker 7>fifty fifth anniversary of the Knicks winning their first championship

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen seventy. May eight, nineteen seventy, a Friday night,

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<v Speaker 7>they defeated the Lakers in Game seven in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do go.

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<v Speaker 7>I was there. I covered games five and seven that year.

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<v Speaker 7>I've got some good experience, It's true.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, so what are you seeing? We must not

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<v Speaker 3>forget that the Celtics have lost two home court games

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<v Speaker 3>by a grand total of four points, three and one.

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<v Speaker 3>Celtics normally don't lose games that close.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, this group has certainly earned our faith and respect,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's not what people were expecting. This is definitely

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<v Speaker 7>the Knicks didn't get the script apparently that they were

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<v Speaker 7>issued in and they were in proversational theater now. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>the Celtics, this is surprising, of course the people. But

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's so there's a few things on one

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<v Speaker 7>is this whole issue number one topic A. Are the

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<v Speaker 7>Celtics two relentlessly dependent on the three point shot? And

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<v Speaker 7>if so, when are they going to start having a

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<v Speaker 7>Plan B. That's the number one topic that people are

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<v Speaker 7>batting around with regard to this state of affairs that

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<v Speaker 7>they find themselves in. They have taken one hundred three

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<v Speaker 7>point shots in the last two games. It had made

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<v Speaker 7>twenty five of them. That's a woeful percentage and it's

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<v Speaker 7>far below their norm. So is there going to be

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<v Speaker 7>some evening out theory now when they get to New

426
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<v Speaker 7>York on the Saturday afternoon till Mozilla appears to feel

427
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<v Speaker 7>that way. Yesterday morning, on the morning of Game two,

428
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<v Speaker 7>I caught the end of an interview, well not the

429
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<v Speaker 7>whole thing, but at the end of an interview and

430
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<v Speaker 7>when he was giving an answer, and the question had

431
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<v Speaker 7>to have been about this idea of what you need

432
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.200
<v Speaker 7>to go to Plan B more often, and he said,

433
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<v Speaker 7>we are getting good looks and we usually make them,

434
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 7>and he's confident that they will make them. Well that night.

435
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.599
<v Speaker 7>Last night they did not make them. And now two

436
00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.279
<v Speaker 7>games in a row in which they did not make them,

437
00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:04.240
<v Speaker 7>they weren't normal cells. Well, it's just correctible. Yes, I'll

438
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<v Speaker 7>tell you what I'm more concerned about. I'm more concerned

439
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 7>about health. I want to know what's going on with

440
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 7>Christaps Persingis was my next question, by the way, Yeah, no,

441
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<v Speaker 7>In general terms, health is the most important factor as

442
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.200
<v Speaker 7>you enter the playoffs. I would wouldn't mind playing seven

443
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.319
<v Speaker 7>road games if you told me my team is healthy

444
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 7>and my key players are all ready to go. Well,

445
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 7>that's not the case. Now we know that for Zingis

446
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 7>has been ill and he's still not recovered. He said

447
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 7>that publicly. We know that Brown has been dealing with

448
00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.799
<v Speaker 7>a knee. We suspect strongly that Tatum has a risk

449
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 7>issue that that he's been dealing with. And then you know,

450
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.920
<v Speaker 7>is not me mentioning at the present time. And we

451
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 7>also know that Drew Holiday missed games at the end

452
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<v Speaker 7>of the in the last series, and that he's not

453
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<v Speaker 7>one hundred percent.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Either and Houses out too right.

455
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<v Speaker 7>And Howser's out completely, and he said, you know he's

456
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<v Speaker 7>in the mix. He's an important three point shooter. He's

457
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.880
<v Speaker 7>had a good year for them. He's he's he's matured,

458
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 7>he's gotten, and he's he's a piece of the puzzle.

459
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:02.720
<v Speaker 7>So well, that's all going on, and that's why I

460
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<v Speaker 7>have personally lowered my level of expectation. I can live

461
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 7>with that. I understand that. To me. Historically, Dan, that

462
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 7>is the number one variable in playoffs historically is health

463
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 7>and and you've got to have it. You go back

464
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<v Speaker 7>to nineteen fifty eight, so they were one of the

465
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<v Speaker 7>two years that Bill Russell didn't win. You know why

466
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 7>they didn't win that year when they were clearly the

467
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 7>better team. He was hurt and I actually missed the

468
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.680
<v Speaker 7>game or two in that finals and was never himself.

469
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.880
<v Speaker 7>So it's it's a it's a constant. It never goes away.

470
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<v Speaker 7>Look right now with the Cleveland Cavaliers, who by the way,

471
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<v Speaker 7>along with the Celtics, have lost their first two games

472
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<v Speaker 7>at home. What a game two against Indiana, they were

473
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<v Speaker 7>missing three of their first six players. So that that's

474
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<v Speaker 7>that's what. That just tells you what you need to know.

475
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So here's my here's my question going into New York.

476
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<v Speaker 3>In football, we always think that the home team the

477
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<v Speaker 3>home field advantage in football. Most people think of it

478
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<v Speaker 3>as a six point advantage. Then you know if it's

479
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<v Speaker 3>if it's a six point spread, you say, well, through

480
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 3>pretty even teams and the home team's a six point

481
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<v Speaker 3>favorite because they had the home team advantage. Home field

482
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 3>advantage football is different than basketball. Is there a home

483
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<v Speaker 3>court advantage in basketball? In your opinion?

484
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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

485
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<v Speaker 7>There was the times. I think there's no question there

486
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.240
<v Speaker 7>was a certain left. For example, the nineteen eighty five

487
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.279
<v Speaker 7>eighty six Celtics were forty and one at home, thirty

488
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<v Speaker 7>seven of them in the Garden and three of them

489
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.440
<v Speaker 7>at Hartford US one game all year at home. Now

490
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 7>this team is a very different beast. This team played

491
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<v Speaker 7>better statistically and performing better on the road than it

492
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.680
<v Speaker 7>did at home. This team established one of the great

493
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<v Speaker 7>road records in the history of the NBA, thirty three

494
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<v Speaker 7>and eight on the road and the best in the

495
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 7>franchise history. And now they're going to New York. So

496
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 7>how much of this is going to translate into playoffs?

497
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<v Speaker 7>Do you have to remember? Players for different matter, just

498
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 7>different dynamics completely, But they have that to rely on.

499
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>I guess you know how healthy are the knick spot.

500
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 7>They are they go. They have one guy that they

501
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 7>didn't have in the last series, Mitchell Robinson, their backup center,

502
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 7>who's a no offensive threat except for the lob but

503
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 7>he's a very good defender and it's a good shot blocker,

504
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 7>and they did not have him, but they have him now.

505
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 7>They have him now. You know, he's the terrible free

506
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.880
<v Speaker 7>throw shooter. And the Celtics played hacker Mitchell to put

507
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 7>him on the line in the first game, and he

508
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 7>went three for ten from the line in the second game.

509
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.559
<v Speaker 7>And that's a strategy that I think they're a little

510
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 7>too reliant on, quite obsessed with, I think. But anyway,

511
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.039
<v Speaker 7>he's their seventh most important player, but their first six

512
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 7>are all healthy and ready to go.

513
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed as to what's going

514
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.039
<v Speaker 3>to happen on Saturday afternoon. A lot of eyes from

515
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 3>New England will be on it. This is the most

516
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 3>win game. I don't think they can get back from

517
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 3>a three to zero.

518
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 7>Deficode Well, no one has ever done it in basketball.

519
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 7>Teams have come back from three to zero to go

520
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 7>three to three, but no one's finished job. Celtics, you know,

521
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 7>against Miami almost they're one one of the teams that

522
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 7>came back from three. Oh, but you know they haven't

523
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.240
<v Speaker 7>gone all the way. No, it's it's I think it's

524
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 7>safe to say it's the closest thing to a must

525
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 7>capital M game that that they're going to have. If

526
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 7>they don't pull it out, it's going to be very dire.

527
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.200
<v Speaker 7>Then they would really have to make history becoming the

528
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.480
<v Speaker 7>first team in the NBA, uh to ever come back

529
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 7>from It's been done in hockey, but it has never

530
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 7>been done in basketball.

531
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<v Speaker 2>What's your latest book?

532
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm working on a sequel with my friend and colleague

533
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 7>and Bill Chuck, on our book that we did on

534
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 7>my forty four years of score books. You know, I

535
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 7>do score every game I go to. That's a fact.

536
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 7>And and that's called in scoring position. Right, Yes, there's

537
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 7>a sequel. Yeah, oh yeah, there's a baseball book I'm

538
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 7>and and so that's what we're working on.

539
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>That book is so is the latest the one that's

540
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<v Speaker 2>the score book? That is? Is that book? Hope? When

541
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>you talk about a sequel, obviously the.

542
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 7>First oh yeah, came out two years ago and uh,

543
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.880
<v Speaker 7>and it's it's out there and you know, people can

544
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 7>find it in Amazon. I'm sure, and uh, we had

545
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 7>a lot of fun with that book. And it's it's

546
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 7>it's it's you know, the premise very is that hidden

547
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 7>in all all every box score and many box scores

548
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 7>or trivial pursuit and things of interest, historical items, oddities

549
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 7>of all sorts of kind. And and the way it

550
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 7>works is that at the top of each chapter, each

551
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 7>game that's done is the representation of the scorebook page

552
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 7>from my book that that and then what that's what

553
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 7>we're focusing on. I then write about what it's all about,

554
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 7>what what is this? And then Bill, who's a historian

555
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 7>and a researcher and brilliant uh fleshes out this with

556
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 7>tidbits about the people that you might not have known

557
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 7>or or or things that I didn't even see. And

558
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 7>uh and he's an excellent writer, and we we we've

559
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 7>formed a good partnership. And there's one hundred and forty

560
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 7>games accounted for this in my book, our book in

561
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 7>scoring position that go from the opening day of nineteen

562
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.279
<v Speaker 7>seventy seven season, the year I covered the Celtics Red

563
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 7>Sox full time, right up to the two years ago games.

564
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 7>And I do still seriously score every game at every

565
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 7>level did I go to?

566
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<v Speaker 3>That's great in scoring position by Bob Ryan and you

567
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 3>and your co author again is who Bill Chuck?

568
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 7>Mister Bill Chuck, and he's an amazing researcher.

569
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<v Speaker 3>And when you have the sequel out, I would love

570
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 3>to have you come back on and let's let's spend

571
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<v Speaker 3>behind him.

572
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 7>Be very happy to I really would.

573
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<v Speaker 2>Love to do that.

574
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<v Speaker 3>I know we missed the first one, but I want

575
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<v Speaker 3>to make a I want to make a make.

576
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<v Speaker 2>Good of this one.

577
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 7>Okay, you got it.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Bob, Talk to you soon. So long. Got back

579
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>great Bob Ryan at the Boston Globe. We'll be back

580
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.519
<v Speaker 2>on night Side and we'll finish up with a.

581
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 3>Gentleman who's a national leader in the recovery movement.

582
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<v Speaker 2>This will be inspirational. Back on Nightside after this.

583
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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.

584
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<v Speaker 3>Wrap it up to Night's eight o'clock hour with Adam

585
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Vibe Dunton. He is a national leader in the recovery program. Adam,

586
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>first of all, welcome to night Side and congratulations. You're

587
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 3>an overdose survivor and founder of Recovered on Purpose and

588
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Behavioral Health Partners. Tell us about your your experience.

589
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:32.079
<v Speaker 6>Yes, sir, thanks so much for having me welcome. Yeah,

590
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 6>seven and a half years ago, I was homeless and

591
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 6>a drug addict. I was one hundred and forty eight

592
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 6>pounds kicked out of a homeless shelter, so I was

593
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 6>super homeless. And now I'm two twenty but I work out,

594
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 6>so it's not all tubby.

595
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>But good, Where were you homeless? If I could ask, Adam,

596
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>what part.

597
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 6>Of the country Billings, Montana in the world.

598
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a tough place to be homeless, my man.

599
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, it was me and about nine other people

600
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.720
<v Speaker 6>that were on the streets, living in an abandoned house

601
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 6>that didn't have electricity or running water, a trash can.

602
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 2>What time of the year winter? Oh yeah, how did

603
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you real? Quickly?

604
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 3>How did you end up in that state of despair?

605
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 3>If I could ask? And then I want to talk

606
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 3>more about your recovery. But how does someone get that

607
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 3>down and out?

608
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 5>Well?

609
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<v Speaker 6>On September twenty eight, two thousand and eight, I've been

610
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<v Speaker 6>out drinking and partying like most nights in my freshman

611
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 6>year of college, and I woke up to my phone

612
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.119
<v Speaker 6>ringing and vibrating down by my leg at four forty

613
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 6>seven am. It was my best friend Chucker calling me,

614
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 6>and I remember having the conscious choice that I could

615
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 6>answer like I always did, like Hey, what's up, Chuck?

616
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 6>Or I could answer the way I was feeling with

617
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 6>a hello, am I still drunk? In state? I chose

618
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 6>the latter, and he answered, Hey, what's up? Why are

619
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<v Speaker 6>you calling me this late? I was just calling to

620
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 6>say Hi, don't call me this late again. And I

621
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.759
<v Speaker 6>hung out fun him and he shot himself. And for

622
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 6>nearly ten years, I was unable to share that phone

623
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<v Speaker 6>call with anyone, and I was bottling it down deeper

624
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 6>and deeper with drugs and alcohol, and that that was

625
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 6>fueled my addiction. Before that, I was an all state

626
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 6>football player. I was a captain of our defense at

627
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 6>Columbine High School my senior year when we won state championship.

628
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Captain high school in Colorado.

629
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<v Speaker 6>Yes, sir, Wow were you there?

630
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<v Speaker 2>If you would have been there after the shooting I saw,

631
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<v Speaker 2>or maybe before it?

632
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:30.359
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

633
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<v Speaker 6>I was actually the first class that came in when

634
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<v Speaker 6>the freshmen that were there had graduated, So I was

635
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<v Speaker 6>the first class that no one was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so seven and a half years there must have

638
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<v Speaker 3>been a moment in time where you said enough of

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<v Speaker 3>this or something must have Who turned what turned your

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<v Speaker 3>life around?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I had so many of those moments. And

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<v Speaker 6>for anyone out there that's struggling and listening to this

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<v Speaker 6>right now, I know where you're at where you have

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<v Speaker 6>those moments where you were you are done with it,

645
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<v Speaker 6>you want to stop, and you just can't. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it happened so many times to me. And what what

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<v Speaker 6>really turned the tide for me was when I stopped

648
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<v Speaker 6>trying to hold onto my plans so tightly. Because I

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<v Speaker 6>would schedule the meetings I was going to. I would

650
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<v Speaker 6>schedule the Bible study and the church and and the

651
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 6>mentors and all this stuff that were going to help

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<v Speaker 6>me get clean, and it was so tightly in my

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<v Speaker 6>grasp that I was unable to listen. I was unable

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<v Speaker 6>to hear the path that was going to take me.

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<v Speaker 6>And I had some pretty profound experiences with God. I

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<v Speaker 6>met Jesus face to face when I was sitting at

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<v Speaker 6>ihop having breakfast, and you know, I believe that you're

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<v Speaker 6>able to get you know, freed and cured and healed

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<v Speaker 6>right away. But that didn't happen for me.

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<v Speaker 2>For me was I'm I'm you know, a I happen

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<v Speaker 2>to be Catholic.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thrilled today to see an American pope picked

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<v Speaker 3>an American pict then, but I am, I mean, im

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<v Speaker 3>perfect Catholic. Okay, I've never had what you call a

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<v Speaker 3>face to face meeting with Jesus. I'm interested when you

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<v Speaker 3>say that. Were you sitting there and you thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you felt you were talking to or he was talking

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<v Speaker 3>to you?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I went into it was like a trance. I

670
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<v Speaker 6>got this this text message on my phone and it

671
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<v Speaker 6>was from my dope dealer and he offered me a

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<v Speaker 6>free twenty. I had been cleaned for five days and

673
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<v Speaker 6>I was trying so hard, and when I got that

674
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<v Speaker 6>text message, I felt like something like took over my body.

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<v Speaker 6>And I texted him back and said it was in

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<v Speaker 6>like King James, who I was like, ye, shall not

677
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<v Speaker 6>text me again. Thou hast texted me for the last time.

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<v Speaker 6>And then when the text message finished, I was reading

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<v Speaker 6>it and I showed it to my friend that was

680
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<v Speaker 6>sitting across me. I was like, dude, I didn't write that,

681
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 6>and then I pushed send. I put it in my

682
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 6>pocket and I looked back up and Jesus is sitting

683
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 6>across from me, the entire restaurant. I completely disappeared. There

684
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 6>was a glow coming from behind him. He was smiling,

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<v Speaker 6>and I immediately knew who it was, immediately knew what

686
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<v Speaker 6>was happening. Felt with my face to the table, put

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<v Speaker 6>my hand up and I said, thank you God, Thank

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<v Speaker 6>you God. And I came back up. He was on

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<v Speaker 6>and I was back in the restaurant, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 6>used since.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>And these experiences actually aren't that rare. I was just

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<v Speaker 6>talking to somebody about this yesterday. But these experiences are

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<v Speaker 6>stigmatized a lot. These have been going on since before

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<v Speaker 6>the Big Book, since before the twelve step program.

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<v Speaker 2>Not going to be stigmatized by me. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to know, Adam, Okay, yeah, amen.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thank you for having the courage to express that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having the coverage to share that. How

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<v Speaker 3>can folks either get in touch with you or get

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<v Speaker 3>in touch with the programs that you're involved with. You

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<v Speaker 3>have the founder that Recovered on Purpose program and the

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<v Speaker 3>behavioral health partners. What's the best way people could reach out?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Recovered on Purpose dot org. I have a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of free resources for people in recovery or trying to

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<v Speaker 6>get in recovery, a fifty state resource guide if you

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<v Speaker 6>have no insurance or are underinsured. And then Behavioral Health

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<v Speaker 6>Partners we help people that want to open treatment centers.

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<v Speaker 6>We're able to get your licensed, accredited, program development and

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<v Speaker 6>then marketing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Musalik an incredible individual. You've been You've been to

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<v Speaker 3>hell and back. I pray that you stay as strong

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<v Speaker 3>and as safe as you are, and you are doing

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<v Speaker 3>God's work in my opinion, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>say thank you, sir. I've got a lot of who

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<v Speaker 3>have walked the same path. They have been down and

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<v Speaker 3>out and they able to get up and get out

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<v Speaker 3>of it. And I can't tell you how much I

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<v Speaker 3>admire those people. And one person is a pall of

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<v Speaker 3>mine who used to be the Mayor of Boston. He's

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<v Speaker 3>now the head of the NHL Players Association for my

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<v Speaker 3>boss to Mayor mort So we got there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people who have waked your path, and you are

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<v Speaker 3>the real deal. I can figure it out pretty easily,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just want to say thank you for for

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<v Speaker 3>what you've experienced and how you pull yourself out of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and anytime we can help you let us know.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I really appreciate that. Anyone listening, if you're struggling,

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<v Speaker 6>you're the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>Great message, Adam, Vibe Gunton, Adam, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk again. Okay, maybe I'll have you on some

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<v Speaker 3>night for an hour and we'll take fun. I may

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<v Speaker 3>we may well do that. Okay, thank you so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much, Adam, congratulating so much. Good night. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>When we get back, we're going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>big moment, those of you who were lucky enough today

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<v Speaker 3>to see the white smoke come out of the chimney

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<v Speaker 3>and then see an American come out onto the balcony

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<v Speaker 3>as the first American pope. It was a moment in time.

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<v Speaker 3>I've watched other popes emerge, but this is one that

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<v Speaker 3>connected with me as an American and as a Catholic,

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<v Speaker 3>but as an American. And we will be talking with

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<v Speaker 3>some experts, but most importantly I want to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back on Night's side right after the nine

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<v Speaker 3>o'clock news
