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<v Speaker 1>It's Night's Side with.

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<v Speaker 2>WBZ Radio. All Right, welcome back. It is a little

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<v Speaker 2>after nine o'clock. I went a little along with Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Spear from the Boston Globe, but I enjoyed it. Always

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<v Speaker 2>talking baseball, that's for sure. Look, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about a real tragic story. This story broke late last week.

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<v Speaker 2>We never got to it on Friday night because it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was a tragedy at the time in which

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<v Speaker 2>the story was that a State Police recruit had been

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<v Speaker 2>badly injured. They were calling it a defensive training exercise. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>Enrique Delgado Garcia just twenty five years old and died

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<v Speaker 2>during what is still being called a training exercise at

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<v Speaker 2>the State Police Academy in New Braintreet. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who listens to this program knows I'm pretty pro police.

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<v Speaker 2>I have relatives who worked in the State Police, and

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<v Speaker 2>this one hits home to me, and it hits home

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<v Speaker 2>to Enrique's family. This young man had apparently qualified, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>gone through the training for several weeks, maybe two or

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<v Speaker 2>three months, and he was ready to graduate and become

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<v Speaker 2>a State Police trooper. Sometime in early October, at a

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<v Speaker 2>ceremony that's already scheduled for the Worcester Centrum. Well, he

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<v Speaker 2>won't be there because he's dead. He died Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>now the Boston Globe. And this is one that the

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<v Speaker 2>State Police has had its problems before. Okay, they've had

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<v Speaker 2>some rogue officers. You had this overtime scandal out on

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<v Speaker 2>the turnpike. You've had some officers here and there who

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<v Speaker 2>have done some really nasty things taking advantage or trying

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<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of young women who they had stopped

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<v Speaker 2>for speeding. And a lot of these officers are now

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<v Speaker 2>in prisoner have lost their jobs. But there should be

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<v Speaker 2>a full, total, complete, exhaustive investigation into the death of

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<v Speaker 2>Enrique Delgado Garcia, and already the state Police have been

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<v Speaker 2>anything but forthcoming. Let me tell you what happened. If

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't seen this story, this young man, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>was on Friday night, on Friday night, in the final

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<v Speaker 2>hours of his life. He died Friday after he became

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<v Speaker 2>unresponsive during a defensive tactics training exercise whatever that means,

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<v Speaker 2>at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in New Braintree. This

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<v Speaker 2>he was injured on Thursday afternoon. Okay, so on Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>as his life was leaving his body, he received his

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<v Speaker 2>trooper badge and the State Police oath of office was

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<v Speaker 2>administered as he's unconscious as he was surrounded by his family,

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones, and classmates during during the final hours of

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<v Speaker 2>his life. The agency said on Saturday, his body had

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<v Speaker 2>been taken from New Braintree to the Worcester Medical Center,

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced dead there, and then he was transferred from the

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<v Speaker 2>UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester to the Office of

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<v Speaker 2>the Chief Medical Examiner in Westfield. And there was a

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<v Speaker 2>State Police procession giving him the honors that h that

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<v Speaker 2>he deserved. But here's what appalls me. Okay, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe, reading an article written written by Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Stokio or Stoiko, I guess soyko uh and this appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was in Saturday's Globe. What it could

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<v Speaker 2>have been in Sunday's Globe, but it was written on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote several news outlets. Let me set this up. We

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<v Speaker 2>have been it has been suggested we have not been

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<v Speaker 2>told what sort of defensive tactic or training he was undergoing.

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<v Speaker 2>But some have speculated that the State Police, for many

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<v Speaker 2>years runs a situation where they put the cadets, these

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<v Speaker 2>aspiring troopers uh into a boxing ring and supposedly they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're matched for size and strength, and apparently also anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who was an amateur boxer UH isn't isn't allowed. They

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<v Speaker 2>have oversized gloves, they have headgear UH and they have

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<v Speaker 2>abdominal gear cup and all of that, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're fairly well protected. But anybody who's ever been in

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<v Speaker 2>a boxing ring will tell you it can be exhausting,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're in great shape. And I experienced it

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<v Speaker 2>once and it's exhausting. Several news so one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>be exhausted, okay, but but we're was if this was

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<v Speaker 2>a boxing match, where was the supervision. Several news outlets

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<v Speaker 2>have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in bruises and

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<v Speaker 2>missing teeth after his boxing exercise. He suffered a broken

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<v Speaker 2>neck and a brain injury and was placed on life

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<v Speaker 2>support at the hospital, according to NBC ten in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>and CBS Boston. Let me read that again. Several news outlets,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Boston Globe, have reported that Delgado Garcia

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<v Speaker 2>was covered in bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>He suffered a broken neck and a brain injury, and

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<v Speaker 2>was placed on life support at the hospital, according to

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<v Speaker 2>NBC ten Boston and CBS Boston. The State Police spokesperson

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<v Speaker 2>said he could not confirm details about Delgado Garcia's injuries

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<v Speaker 2>or the medical care he received, citing privacy loss. Recruits

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<v Speaker 2>wear boxing gloves. I'm told they're oversized boxing gloves, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not intended to injure, headgear and a protective athletic

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<v Speaker 2>cup during the exercise. Delgardo joined the ninetieth Recruit Training

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<v Speaker 2>Troop in April and was scheduled to graduate with his

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<v Speaker 2>classmates on October ninth at the DCU Center in Worcester.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the governor of Governor more Healey said that

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<v Speaker 2>Delgado Garcia had committed himself to a career protecting the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Massachusetts, and yet the authorities at the New

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<v Speaker 2>Braintreet Training Center did nothing to protect this young man.

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<v Speaker 2>He formerly worked in the Worcester County District Attorney's office,

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<v Speaker 2>and Joe Early, who is the Worcester County District Attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>made comments, I believe it was today, Rob, please play

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<v Speaker 2>cut thirty three for me. This is the Worcester County

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<v Speaker 2>da Joseph.

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<v Speaker 3>Early, Frik Delgado Garcia was loved by everyone in our office.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office

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<v Speaker 3>and was with us for about a year and a

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<v Speaker 3>half before he left our office and able to fulfill

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<v Speaker 3>the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because

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<v Speaker 3>of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no way this office can handle this.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone loved Enrique.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.

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<v Speaker 4>They all have State Police detective units, they all have

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<v Speaker 4>a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can

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<v Speaker 4>look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>a stake in its outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I nominate former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis or former

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Police Commissioner Willie Gross. Joe Early, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>or if anybody in Joe's office is listening, I think

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<v Speaker 2>either Ed Davis or Willie Gross, or better yet, both

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<v Speaker 2>of them. And you can throw Dan Lynsky in there

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<v Speaker 2>as well, who was a superintendent in Boston. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>three police professionals, and I must tell you that unless

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<v Speaker 2>it's someone who the public has confidence in, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I think the public would have immense confidence in any

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<v Speaker 2>combination or any of these three Dan Lensky, Willie Gross

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<v Speaker 2>or Ed Davis, because we as the public need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a young man who went to the State

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<v Speaker 2>Police recruiting program, wanted to be a state police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>had passed apparently all of the requirements, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>if you believe these stories, he was put into a

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<v Speaker 2>boxing ring. Now I'm told that there are other ways

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<v Speaker 2>in which the State Police conducted these defensive training positions

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<v Speaker 2>or programs, and one of them includes a pretty brutal

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<v Speaker 2>set of circumstances where someone has to walk down an

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<v Speaker 2>alleyway in theory, they meet up with a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>wise guys and someone jumps them from behind. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that you can teach state Well, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get into this. I'm gonna get into this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stay with this because this family deserves an

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<v Speaker 2>honest report. And if there was no supervision and someone

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<v Speaker 2>was able to literally kill this guy, kill this guy

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<v Speaker 2>in a boxing ring or in some sort of program

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<v Speaker 2>which was unsupervised. Heads should roll at a minimum, people

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<v Speaker 2>should lose their jobs at a minimum, at a minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to train people, you need to get them

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<v Speaker 2>ready for what might come and all that. But police

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<v Speaker 2>need need to be in good shape. They need to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to defend themselves. But I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>defend yourself boxing out on the mass Turnpike. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that state police need to be taught how to take

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<v Speaker 2>people down, how to immobilize them until help arrives, how

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<v Speaker 2>to use a taser. But boxing boxing, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's really necessary. I really don't. And those of you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to disagree with me, bring it on, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>This is out of control. It's disgraceful. If this happened

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<v Speaker 2>in Mississippi, we would be looking down our noses at

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<v Speaker 2>all the people in Mississippi and Alabama. Well, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you expect. It's Mississippi or Alabama, this is Massachusetts. Six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty Back on night side right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Now back to Dan ray Line from the window

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<v Speaker 1>World Light Side Studios on w BZ to news.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio by the way, By the way, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>same state Police and state Police leadership that, in their

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<v Speaker 2>infinite wisdom, under the guidance of then Governor Charlie Baker,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were hit with COVID and there were a

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<v Speaker 2>few young troopers, good troopers, great troopers who said that

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<v Speaker 2>they were not sure about getting a COVID shot because

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<v Speaker 2>they were young, and some of them were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about maybe what impact might this have on me

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<v Speaker 2>or my family should I decide to have a family,

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<v Speaker 2>including one who I've told you the story of Samanthe Sila,

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<v Speaker 2>whose dad was a State Police trooper and died in

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<v Speaker 2>the job. They were dismissed. They were dismissed, okay, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they had gone through the training and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>The State Police needs to be, in my opinion, looked

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<v Speaker 2>at from top to bottom, but particularly at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>The average trooper who's out in the road. They're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones who are doing the hard work. But the leadership

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<v Speaker 2>of the State Police right now has to be changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And this new State Police colonel coming in, he has

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<v Speaker 2>to know what he's going to be getting into I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you right now, this kid is dead. This kid

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<v Speaker 2>is dead, and it is It's criminal. It's criminal what

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<v Speaker 2>was done to this kid? If the news reports in

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe suggest are anything close to what actually happened

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<v Speaker 2>that he ended up with a broken neck, a brain injury,

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<v Speaker 2>and missing teeth after a boxing exercise, something isn't right

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to find out what the real story is.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Bob in South Boston. Bob, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>your first this hour and nightside. Agree or disagree, Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, I've seen an email about the situation on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>This is horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I have families that are police officers. I

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<v Speaker 1>have good friends that are police officers. I have kids

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<v Speaker 1>that I have coached now that are many of them

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<v Speaker 1>are police officers. But the reality is, I mean boxing

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing, but I mean I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be protecting yourself or trying to subd somebody, I mean, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling or uh taekwondo, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, karate judo, anything like that. I mean one

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<v Speaker 2>of the those that's what should be taught how to

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<v Speaker 2>take someone down, uh easily and officially and there are

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<v Speaker 2>ways that that you can take someone down. It done.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to be putting, you know, young guys toe

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<v Speaker 1>to toe with somebody, you know, and if you're not,

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<v Speaker 1>if you never boxed, it's it's a it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's a whole different world when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a box r you've never done it before. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is horrific. Uh, you know, not to

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<v Speaker 1>have videotaping of this happening is insane. To have any trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>You were tonight one of the newscasts that there there

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<v Speaker 1>Well that that needs to get out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I was watching Channel five at six

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get someone like Ed Davis, Willie Gross or Dan Lensky,

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<v Speaker 2>three leaders here in Boston to absolutely get involved. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean this, we have we have some great police leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this, yeah, Bill Evans, Billy Evans Evans absolutely absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>But the state please investigating this is absolutely you know

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<v Speaker 1>out of the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, what happened Joe Early, the d A in

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<v Speaker 2>hand it on to another DA's office, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing because all the other deeds DA's officers have

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bring in at Davis, bringing Dan Lynsky, Willie Gross,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Bratt, Kathy O'Toole, you know former uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>She was the head of the the the Irish police

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<v Speaker 2>what they call the gardener over in Ireland. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to be done. And guess what if mistakes were made.

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<v Speaker 2>These are mistakes that that that are tragic and have

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you gotta move you know, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>learn from them and move on and never can happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I mean just either family, how devastated. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so sad, it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this kid had to be for him to get

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<v Speaker 2>through the state police training. Since April April May, June, July, August,

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<v Speaker 2>September is when they're getting ready for the graduation ceremony.

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<v Speaker 2>So this kid had to be in good shape. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a lot of a lot of at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in the process. A lot of guys have washed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys and gals have washed out, and somehow, some way,

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<v Speaker 2>something really bad happened. If these reports of him having

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<v Speaker 2>there were reports of a fraction skull, brain injury, a

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<v Speaker 1>I got a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the oversized gloves that you hit somebody with

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's it's not pleasant, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's this sister was but uh, you know, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that the kid worked in the DA's office, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the he it's definitely something that you know, this this

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's dream a nightmare for him and for

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<v Speaker 2>his family. I just hope that as he lay on

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<v Speaker 2>his deathbed that he was conscious enough. They say, you're

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<v Speaker 2>hearing is the last thing to go, But it would

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<v Speaker 2>be great to think that he heard him being sworn

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<v Speaker 2>in and officially becoming a member of the Massachusetts State Police.

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<v Speaker 2>Just tragic, just tragic. Hey Bob, thank you for your call.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. Thank you my friend too. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the state police that that laid off, that

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<v Speaker 2>fired fired about a dozen young police troopers because they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't get a COVID shot. Bring those people back and

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<v Speaker 2>pay them their packs back salary. State police. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they can go after the person who pads the overtime,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to look at the leadership of the

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<v Speaker 2>state police. At this point. I'm telling you this, there's

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<v Speaker 2>something rotten in Denmark. Be back on Nightside A one

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<v Speaker 2>line at six one seven, two four thirty and one

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<v Speaker 2>will change this topic at ten o'clock. Normally, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to continue on it, we will. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the second attempt at assassination of

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump beginning at ten. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on Nightside, It's night Side with Dan Ray

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<v Speaker 2>on wb Boston's news radio. All right, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts State Police recruit who was in the customer

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<v Speaker 2>of becoming a trooper who was killed. I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>say he died, No, he was killed. Lawrence and west Roxbury. Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your call. You're next on nightside, Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, good evening, Dan. We've talked before. I'm a pharmacy

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<v Speaker 5>opicer in the airports and my first tour in a

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<v Speaker 5>military was in the Marine Corps, and I've been a

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<v Speaker 5>participant and several exercises, said Saint, be similar to the

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<v Speaker 5>one that the State Police Academy was using here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>But if I was, if I was involved there, given

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<v Speaker 5>what happened to this youngster, I would have stopped it

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<v Speaker 5>in three seconds because I would have known he didn't

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<v Speaker 5>know how to defend himself. And I seriously think that

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<v Speaker 5>the head of the State Police and the person in

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<v Speaker 5>charge of the training out there, that whoever is going

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<v Speaker 5>to take over the prosecution of this case, supervision of

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<v Speaker 5>this case, should be thinking about manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, obviously, let the facts go in wherever

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<v Speaker 2>the facts take us. But I think at a minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it was simply lack of adequate supervision or

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<v Speaker 2>instructions should have been given to both of them to say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not in here, you know, to beat the heck

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<v Speaker 2>out of your colleague, you'll be troopers on the road together.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if one of you have an advantage, you know, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Can supervision the supervision. Oh absolutely, yea three seconds at

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<v Speaker 5>the most, given what ams in this kid, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 5>should have stopped it should have been stopped otherwise, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, they have these oversized gloves that

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<v Speaker 2>are intended to.

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<v Speaker 5>Make a difference. You got guy in there, what he

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<v Speaker 5>should do. He's gotta hurt him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I get that. But what I'm saying is,

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<v Speaker 2>even with the oversized gloves, they should give you some

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<v Speaker 2>more time. You land a couple of punches and you say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. No Moss throw the towel in.

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<v Speaker 5>So sad and then if you band this business. But see,

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<v Speaker 5>these guys have been You should have known him three

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<v Speaker 5>seconds that this kid could not defend themselves, and they

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<v Speaker 5>should have stopped it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, would you agree with me that the investigation should

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<v Speaker 2>be conducted by the way, hats off to Joe Earley,

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<v Speaker 2>the District Attorney of Worcester County. You say, not only

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<v Speaker 2>should in his office investigate, but normally you give it

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<v Speaker 2>off to another DA's office. He said it should be

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<v Speaker 2>no DA's office in Massachusetts. I think it should be

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<v Speaker 2>an independent person like an Ed Davis or a Willie Ross,

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy O'Toole Bill General. Well, she's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little compromised because she has state police assigned her office

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<v Speaker 2>as well. No, I think it should be totally out.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't worry about the state police being there at all.

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<v Speaker 5>They have to do it. You take a leadership position

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<v Speaker 5>and deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But what I'm saying is I think that all

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<v Speaker 2>of us have come to no and trust a guy

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<v Speaker 2>like Ed Davis. I don't think I don't dis agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you, right, And what I'm saying is I want

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<v Speaker 2>somebody from the outside looking in here. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>anybody anybody close to this this set of circumstances. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want any state politician. I don't want any state official.

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<v Speaker 2>I want it to be given Ed Davis, Willie Gross,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Evans, Paul Evans, Kathy O'Toole, Bill Broddon. We got

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<v Speaker 2>some great police leaders here.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, all right, you're right, all right, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you for your service. By the way, what.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thank you, all right, Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Lawrence, appreciate your call. We're gonna keep rolling here

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<v Speaker 2>as we live. Do I get time for one more

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<v Speaker 2>quick calling before the break? Yere, let me get one

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<v Speaker 2>in there. People don't have to wait. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Josh in Whitman, Massachusetts. Josh, welcome next on Nightsiger, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Ahead, welcome. I own a local box and Jim and

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<v Speaker 6>Whitman and uh, this is atrociouss I've seen thousands of

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<v Speaker 6>boxing matches, aspiring exhibition, so on and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 6>nothing like that has ever happened in my gym of

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<v Speaker 6>the forty years we've been been around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know either. You could put all of

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<v Speaker 2>these great professional fighters, whether it be you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Tyson's of the world, who you know, hit with

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<v Speaker 2>just incredible force. Now again they're in with other professional fighters,

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<v Speaker 2>but this would never happen.

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<v Speaker 6>I stocked guys off, kids off five years old and

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<v Speaker 6>four years old and above, and and it's just this

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<v Speaker 6>is this is bad. It's a horrible look for my

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<v Speaker 6>sport as well. You know, because the boxing is supposed

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<v Speaker 6>to make you, you know, build character, build structure, build discipline.

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<v Speaker 6>So for them to let something like that, it seems

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<v Speaker 6>like more of a bullying thing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is this the reason I want the investigation

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm not sure that this was a one on

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<v Speaker 2>one boxing match. The amount of damage that was inflicted broke.

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<v Speaker 6>Blunt force trauma. That's not even that, that's not hugelism.

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<v Speaker 6>It's blunt force trauma. It's sad, it's a shame, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's and and it's it's ridiculous that our state police

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<v Speaker 6>should even they should we will be taught how to

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<v Speaker 6>kind of punch. They should be taught out of restrain

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<v Speaker 6>and reduce conflict. They shouldn't be teaching them how to punch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, If anything, you teach them to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>they know how to defend themselves, but they also know

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<v Speaker 2>how to take someone down quickly and efficiently if they

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<v Speaker 2>have to be.

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<v Speaker 6>Taken down, correct, Jiu jitsu, judas you know like that,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's de escalation. It's not coming to the offensive.

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<v Speaker 6>Their public servants, if.

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<v Speaker 2>Some if someone comes at you, you sound to me

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<v Speaker 2>like you probably know more about this than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know enough about it to know that if

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<v Speaker 2>someone comes at you, you kind of step back and

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<v Speaker 2>you take them momentum and you put him down.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I definitely did grow up in a punch first,

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<v Speaker 6>ask questions later, like type of things. But that's that

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<v Speaker 6>you really like, you're gonna put them on me. But

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<v Speaker 6>those guys are trained to de escalate, So why are

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<v Speaker 6>they beating someone to death? That's the issue that that's

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<v Speaker 6>the that's the main issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a legitimate an issue.

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<v Speaker 6>Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's but there has to be, no matter what, a total, full, complete,

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<v Speaker 2>thorough and transparent investigation by an outside party. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>we as a publican trust and I can't think of

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<v Speaker 2>anyone more trustworthy than Ed Davis.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm all for it. I mean, the head should be

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<v Speaker 6>spinning right now up in the higher grass.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's let's see what the governor does here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is this is one that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>land of the governor's desk no matter what. Josh, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for calling in. Thank you for what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you, talk soon, good night, quick break here.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of calls that can take maybe

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<v Speaker 2>one or two more, but we will stop at ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there's one more, so we're going to get three

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<v Speaker 2>between now and ten o'clock. Maybe room for you, the

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<v Speaker 2>only line open if you want to give it a

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<v Speaker 2>shot six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. No

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee I can get John coming back on night Side.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. You're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in here. Let me start off with Gary in

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. Gary, you were next on nights. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you taking the time. Got go ahead, sir.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, Dan, nice to hear from you. You know, training

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<v Speaker 7>ain't supposed to kill you. And I understand why they

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<v Speaker 7>use boxing because they always felt you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of these people never had to do anything and that

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<v Speaker 7>would give them confidence. But when someone gets killed doing it,

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<v Speaker 7>there's a problem. And you know, a lot of times

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<v Speaker 7>in my job, I always found out with people who

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<v Speaker 7>do training, those who can do do, those who can't

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<v Speaker 7>do teach, and a lot of times these guys take

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<v Speaker 7>it to a whole other level. And hey, someone's got

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<v Speaker 7>an answer for this. You're not supposed to die when

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<v Speaker 7>you're learning something, no doubt, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>This is I don't know if this story has made

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<v Speaker 2>it down in New Jersey or not, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>a new kernel up here coming in. Who was they?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess involved when New Jersey State Police. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a hell of a heck of a welcome that he's asking.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, i'll tell you why. What they need to do

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<v Speaker 7>is get a guy like Ray Kelly from New York

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<v Speaker 7>longest serving police commissioner and you know, let him investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got up here.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, someone's got to do it. That got that's got

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<v Speaker 7>no skin in the game. And I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 7>This kid's family deserves an answer. He was going for

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<v Speaker 7>a job that you know, was that. And the only

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<v Speaker 7>thing the problem is got boxing, especially among different state police.

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<v Speaker 7>Jersey does it, uh, I think New York does it.

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<v Speaker 7>It goes back years ago and it was like a tradition,

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, sometimes traditions are wrong. And I remember

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<v Speaker 7>when my younger brother was in the academy. He's retired now.

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<v Speaker 7>He was in the Navy. He's been boxing in the

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<v Speaker 7>boys clubs and everything since he was a kid. And

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<v Speaker 7>when he, you know, went through the academy and they

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<v Speaker 7>had doing the boxing, he tried telling the guy, said, look,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not fair for me to fight any of these

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<v Speaker 7>guys because he just got out of the Navy and

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<v Speaker 7>the only thing he did in the Navy he was

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<v Speaker 7>on the boxing teams, and they used to go around

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<v Speaker 7>putting on exhibitions and everything, and you know these guys

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<v Speaker 7>sometimes they're just you know, these guys doing the training

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<v Speaker 7>or sometimes just not edds who don't listen.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jarry, I got two more. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>get in earlier. Bye bye Carver, Sandra, gotta get you

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<v Speaker 2>and al and gohead Sander.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, first of all, I just want to say, I

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<v Speaker 8>see no excuse for something like this happening. And I

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<v Speaker 8>understand he also worked in the DA's office.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was as advocate. He was a victim's advocate,

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<v Speaker 2>get in, and apparently a very well loved and respected

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<v Speaker 2>young guy who wanted to be a state trooper.

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<v Speaker 8>Victims advocates in courthouses generally are handling situations of abuse.

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<v Speaker 8>Is that not correct? If perhaps this individual who's also

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<v Speaker 8>in training, or maybe multiple of them were aware of

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<v Speaker 8>his work in the DA's office and had it out

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<v Speaker 8>for him. Because I see no excuse for injuries like that,

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<v Speaker 8>that's that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's true, that's criminal.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, that's right, that's murder. That's absolutely all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thanks so much, Sandras. Always appreciate you calling me

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<v Speaker 2>get Al in here. Al I believe is a former trooper. Al,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to night Side.

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<v Speaker 9>How are you, Dan? It's good to talk to you

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<v Speaker 9>or all friends. I think you remember me. You did

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<v Speaker 9>me a solid long time ago. So yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 9>worked with your brother and I'm retired now. So I

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<v Speaker 9>fear no repercussion from the from the job or anybody else.

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<v Speaker 9>But the first question I have to ask is are

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<v Speaker 9>you assuming facts not an evidence? Do you have a

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<v Speaker 9>copy of the post? Do you have a copy of

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<v Speaker 9>the autopsy that nobody else has seen? No to talk

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<v Speaker 9>about the injuries that this young man received.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm I'm simply taking the opportunity to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the the facts that have been reported so far. I

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<v Speaker 2>have not I don't know that the autopsy has been done. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, okay, but what facts?

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<v Speaker 9>What facts have been reported? I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 9>the information that what I'm aware of is no facts

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<v Speaker 9>have been reported. There were there were there were statements

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<v Speaker 9>that were reproduced that were attributed to his mom, And

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<v Speaker 9>I can tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, let me just give you what I have

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<v Speaker 2>read earlier. I don't know if you've listened the entire hour.

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<v Speaker 2>This according to they lost the Globe. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate news source. Several news outlets of reports.

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<v Speaker 9>We could, we could, we could debate how legitimate they are.

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<v Speaker 2>But go ahead, fair enough, let's not. Let's not go

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<v Speaker 2>down that rope because I'm running out of time. Several

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<v Speaker 2>news outlets have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in

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<v Speaker 2>bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise. He suffered

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<v Speaker 2>a broken neck and a brain injury, and was placed

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<v Speaker 2>on life support at the hospital, accorded to NBC ten

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and CBS Boston. The only fact that I do

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<v Speaker 2>know is that he was transported to the Worcester Medical Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and he died late Friday.

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<v Speaker 9>So I heard all that. I read all that too. However,

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<v Speaker 9>nobody has seen the post yet. Nobody has seen the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 9>Nobody has any, if any real official information as to

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<v Speaker 9>the cause of death or what happened. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 9>to justify what what that he's dead. What I'm saying

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<v Speaker 9>is in a training exercise, things happened, and nobody has

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<v Speaker 9>seen yet the official autopsy report.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody the autopsy probably report doesn't exist. But my problem,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what my problem is. Out I am concerned that

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<v Speaker 2>if I don't talk about this tonight and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell people, I have a responsibility, in my opinion, is

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<v Speaker 2>that is to make people aware of what I consider

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<v Speaker 2>to be important stories. And I think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>really important story for a whole bunch of reasons. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And and which are which are pretty obvious. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>if it turns out that somehow this guy was walking

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<v Speaker 2>into the ring and he slipped and fell and he

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<v Speaker 2>broke his neck, Okay, fine, But whenever information is hard

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<v Speaker 2>to come by and nobody is denying it, no one

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<v Speaker 2>is saying, hey, he didn't ever broken neck, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a brain injury, maybe he didn't even die. I

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<v Speaker 2>can only look at the facts that that I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that they're they're acknowledging there was it was

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<v Speaker 2>an exercise, and that he's now dead. That just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>compute it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've done.

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<v Speaker 9>Here's here's the problem that I'm having. And I have

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<v Speaker 9>no problem with you or your show. You know I

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<v Speaker 9>listened to your show. You know I call you all

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<v Speaker 9>the time. Yeah, you don't have to support what's being

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<v Speaker 9>the story that's being put. You can't have, you can't

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<v Speaker 9>let you can't let the story run without the facts,

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<v Speaker 9>and right now, frankly, there are no facts that have

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<v Speaker 9>been published. The facts are being sat on. The autopsy

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<v Speaker 9>results have not been revealed, and the trainees' previous medical

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<v Speaker 9>condition has not been revealed. Nothing has been revealed except

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<v Speaker 9>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What else when this comes out, When it comes out

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<v Speaker 2>that the facts that we have talked about tonight are

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<v Speaker 2>way off base and that he had some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a medical seizure, you know that that was totally unrelated

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<v Speaker 2>and the state police there's no need to super call

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<v Speaker 2>for an investigation of supervision. Feel free to call back

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<v Speaker 2>and tell me Dan, you know you were right and

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrong. I'm just telling you that I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>by my judgment, just like I think police officers sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>have to go by their gut instinct. When you pull

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<v Speaker 2>the car over at night, it was your gut instinct

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<v Speaker 2>that was telling you how am I going to post

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<v Speaker 2>this car? Who's in this car? What do I have

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<v Speaker 2>to be concerned about? Those are all sort of instincts

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<v Speaker 2>that you develop which are very difficult to articulate. I

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<v Speaker 2>have instincts as a news guy. I've been around a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. That's where my instincts take me. Tonight, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see if I'm right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>I listen, no disrespect intended, you know that, yep. I

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<v Speaker 9>just want to I just want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 9>everybody out there listening understands that the story and the

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<v Speaker 9>conditions attributed to this young man have not really been

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<v Speaker 9>validated by a post yet and when they do, and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm with you, I'm with you. I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'm with you. And if if the situation reveals

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<v Speaker 9>that this some gross misconduct took place, I will be

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<v Speaker 9>the first to call you back and I will own.

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<v Speaker 2>It, okay, and then I'll look forward to that call

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<v Speaker 2>either way, and maybe the truth of summer in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>All I got to run because I'm up in the ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for calling. As always, with you agree to disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy the conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks Jan, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a great night. Ten o'clock. Second assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 2>on Donald Trump. This is getting a little out of hand, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to address it tonight and we will

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<v Speaker 2>coming back on night side