Speaker 1: It's Night's Side with.
Speaker 2: WBZ Radio. All Right, welcome back. It is a little
Speaker 2: after nine o'clock. I went a little along with Alex
Speaker 2: Spear from the Boston Globe, but I enjoyed it. Always
Speaker 2: talking baseball, that's for sure. Look, I want to talk
Speaker 2: about a real tragic story. This story broke late last week.
Speaker 2: We never got to it on Friday night because it
Speaker 2: was it was a tragedy at the time in which
Speaker 2: the story was that a State Police recruit had been
Speaker 2: badly injured. They were calling it a defensive training exercise. Sadly,
Speaker 2: Enrique Delgado Garcia just twenty five years old and died
Speaker 2: during what is still being called a training exercise at
Speaker 2: the State Police Academy in New Braintreet. Now, I think
Speaker 2: anyone who listens to this program knows I'm pretty pro police.
Speaker 2: I have relatives who worked in the State Police, and
Speaker 2: this one hits home to me, and it hits home
Speaker 2: to Enrique's family. This young man had apparently qualified, he'd
Speaker 2: gone through the training for several weeks, maybe two or
Speaker 2: three months, and he was ready to graduate and become
Speaker 2: a State Police trooper. Sometime in early October, at a
Speaker 2: ceremony that's already scheduled for the Worcester Centrum. Well, he
Speaker 2: won't be there because he's dead. He died Friday night,
Speaker 2: now the Boston Globe. And this is one that the
Speaker 2: State Police has had its problems before. Okay, they've had
Speaker 2: some rogue officers. You had this overtime scandal out on
Speaker 2: the turnpike. You've had some officers here and there who
Speaker 2: have done some really nasty things taking advantage or trying
Speaker 2: to take advantage of young women who they had stopped
Speaker 2: for speeding. And a lot of these officers are now
Speaker 2: in prisoner have lost their jobs. But there should be
Speaker 2: a full, total, complete, exhaustive investigation into the death of
Speaker 2: Enrique Delgado Garcia, and already the state Police have been
Speaker 2: anything but forthcoming. Let me tell you what happened. If
Speaker 2: you haven't seen this story, this young man, I guess,
Speaker 2: was on Friday night, on Friday night, in the final
Speaker 2: hours of his life. He died Friday after he became
Speaker 2: unresponsive during a defensive tactics training exercise whatever that means,
Speaker 2: at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in New Braintree. This
Speaker 2: he was injured on Thursday afternoon. Okay, so on Friday night,
Speaker 2: as his life was leaving his body, he received his
Speaker 2: trooper badge and the State Police oath of office was
Speaker 2: administered as he's unconscious as he was surrounded by his family,
Speaker 2: loved ones, and classmates during during the final hours of
Speaker 2: his life. The agency said on Saturday, his body had
Speaker 2: been taken from New Braintree to the Worcester Medical Center,
Speaker 2: pronounced dead there, and then he was transferred from the
Speaker 2: UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester to the Office of
Speaker 2: the Chief Medical Examiner in Westfield. And there was a
Speaker 2: State Police procession giving him the honors that h that
Speaker 2: he deserved. But here's what appalls me. Okay, according to
Speaker 2: the Boston Globe, reading an article written written by Nick
Speaker 2: Stokio or Stoiko, I guess soyko uh and this appeared.
Speaker 2: I believe it was in Saturday's Globe. What it could
Speaker 2: have been in Sunday's Globe, but it was written on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Quote several news outlets. Let me set this up. We
Speaker 2: have been it has been suggested we have not been
Speaker 2: told what sort of defensive tactic or training he was undergoing.
Speaker 2: But some have speculated that the State Police, for many
Speaker 2: years runs a situation where they put the cadets, these
Speaker 2: aspiring troopers uh into a boxing ring and supposedly they're
Speaker 2: they're matched for size and strength, and apparently also anyone
Speaker 2: who was an amateur boxer UH isn't isn't allowed. They
Speaker 2: have oversized gloves, they have headgear UH and they have
Speaker 2: abdominal gear cup and all of that, so you know,
Speaker 2: they're fairly well protected. But anybody who's ever been in
Speaker 2: a boxing ring will tell you it can be exhausting,
Speaker 2: even if you're in great shape. And I experienced it
Speaker 2: once and it's exhausting. Several news so one thing to
Speaker 2: be exhausted, okay, but but we're was if this was
Speaker 2: a boxing match, where was the supervision. Several news outlets
Speaker 2: have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in bruises and
Speaker 2: missing teeth after his boxing exercise. He suffered a broken
Speaker 2: neck and a brain injury and was placed on life
Speaker 2: support at the hospital, according to NBC ten in Boston
Speaker 2: and CBS Boston. Let me read that again. Several news outlets,
Speaker 2: according to the Boston Globe, have reported that Delgado Garcia
Speaker 2: was covered in bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise.
Speaker 2: He suffered a broken neck and a brain injury, and
Speaker 2: was placed on life support at the hospital, according to
Speaker 2: NBC ten Boston and CBS Boston. The State Police spokesperson
Speaker 2: said he could not confirm details about Delgado Garcia's injuries
Speaker 2: or the medical care he received, citing privacy loss. Recruits
Speaker 2: wear boxing gloves. I'm told they're oversized boxing gloves, so
Speaker 2: they're not intended to injure, headgear and a protective athletic
Speaker 2: cup during the exercise. Delgardo joined the ninetieth Recruit Training
Speaker 2: Troop in April and was scheduled to graduate with his
Speaker 2: classmates on October ninth at the DCU Center in Worcester.
Speaker 2: Of course, the governor of Governor more Healey said that
Speaker 2: Delgado Garcia had committed himself to a career protecting the
Speaker 2: people of Massachusetts, and yet the authorities at the New
Speaker 2: Braintreet Training Center did nothing to protect this young man.
Speaker 2: He formerly worked in the Worcester County District Attorney's office,
Speaker 2: and Joe Early, who is the Worcester County District Attorney,
Speaker 2: made comments, I believe it was today, Rob, please play
Speaker 2: cut thirty three for me. This is the Worcester County
Speaker 2: da Joseph.
Speaker 3: Early, Frik Delgado Garcia was loved by everyone in our office.
Speaker 3: He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office
Speaker 3: and was with us for about a year and a
Speaker 3: half before he left our office and able to fulfill
Speaker 3: the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.
Speaker 3: This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because
Speaker 3: of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.
Speaker 4: There's no way this office can handle this.
Speaker 3: Everyone loved Enrique.
Speaker 4: I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.
Speaker 4: I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.
Speaker 4: They all have State Police detective units, they all have
Speaker 4: a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can
Speaker 4: look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have
Speaker 4: a stake in its outcome.
Speaker 2: I nominate former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis or former
Speaker 2: Boston Police Commissioner Willie Gross. Joe Early, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: or if anybody in Joe's office is listening, I think
Speaker 2: either Ed Davis or Willie Gross, or better yet, both
Speaker 2: of them. And you can throw Dan Lynsky in there
Speaker 2: as well, who was a superintendent in Boston. Those are
Speaker 2: three police professionals, and I must tell you that unless
Speaker 2: it's someone who the public has confidence in, and certainly
Speaker 2: I think the public would have immense confidence in any
Speaker 2: combination or any of these three Dan Lensky, Willie Gross
Speaker 2: or Ed Davis, because we as the public need to know.
Speaker 2: This is a young man who went to the State
Speaker 2: Police recruiting program, wanted to be a state police officer,
Speaker 2: had passed apparently all of the requirements, and he was
Speaker 2: if you believe these stories, he was put into a
Speaker 2: boxing ring. Now I'm told that there are other ways
Speaker 2: in which the State Police conducted these defensive training positions
Speaker 2: or programs, and one of them includes a pretty brutal
Speaker 2: set of circumstances where someone has to walk down an
Speaker 2: alleyway in theory, they meet up with a couple of
Speaker 2: wise guys and someone jumps them from behind. Look, I
Speaker 2: think that you can teach state Well, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get into this. I'm gonna get into this, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay with this because this family deserves an
Speaker 2: honest report. And if there was no supervision and someone
Speaker 2: was able to literally kill this guy, kill this guy
Speaker 2: in a boxing ring or in some sort of program
Speaker 2: which was unsupervised. Heads should roll at a minimum, people
Speaker 2: should lose their jobs at a minimum, at a minimum.
Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable. Uh,
Speaker 2: you need to train people, you need to get them
Speaker 2: ready for what might come and all that. But police
Speaker 2: need need to be in good shape. They need to
Speaker 2: be able to defend themselves. But I don't think you
Speaker 2: defend yourself boxing out on the mass Turnpike. I think
Speaker 2: that state police need to be taught how to take
Speaker 2: people down, how to immobilize them until help arrives, how
Speaker 2: to use a taser. But boxing boxing, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's really necessary. I really don't. And those of you
Speaker 2: are going to disagree with me, bring it on, that's fine.
Speaker 2: This is out of control. It's disgraceful. If this happened
Speaker 2: in Mississippi, we would be looking down our noses at
Speaker 2: all the people in Mississippi and Alabama. Well, what do
Speaker 2: you expect. It's Mississippi or Alabama, this is Massachusetts. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty Back on night side right after.
Speaker 1: This, Now back to Dan ray Line from the window
Speaker 1: World Light Side Studios on w BZ to news.
Speaker 2: Radio by the way, By the way, this is the
Speaker 2: same state Police and state Police leadership that, in their
Speaker 2: infinite wisdom, under the guidance of then Governor Charlie Baker,
Speaker 2: when we were hit with COVID and there were a
Speaker 2: few young troopers, good troopers, great troopers who said that
Speaker 2: they were not sure about getting a COVID shot because
Speaker 2: they were young, and some of them were, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking about maybe what impact might this have on me
Speaker 2: or my family should I decide to have a family,
Speaker 2: including one who I've told you the story of Samanthe Sila,
Speaker 2: whose dad was a State Police trooper and died in
Speaker 2: the job. They were dismissed. They were dismissed, okay, even
Speaker 2: though they had gone through the training and all of that.
Speaker 2: The State Police needs to be, in my opinion, looked
Speaker 2: at from top to bottom, but particularly at the top.
Speaker 2: The average trooper who's out in the road. They're the
Speaker 2: ones who are doing the hard work. But the leadership
Speaker 2: of the State Police right now has to be changed.
Speaker 2: And this new State Police colonel coming in, he has
Speaker 2: to know what he's going to be getting into I'm
Speaker 2: telling you right now, this kid is dead. This kid
Speaker 2: is dead, and it is It's criminal. It's criminal what
Speaker 2: was done to this kid? If the news reports in
Speaker 2: the Globe suggest are anything close to what actually happened
Speaker 2: that he ended up with a broken neck, a brain injury,
Speaker 2: and missing teeth after a boxing exercise, something isn't right
Speaker 2: and we need to find out what the real story is.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Bob in South Boston. Bob, welcome
Speaker 2: your first this hour and nightside. Agree or disagree, Bob,
Speaker 2: I totally agree it.
Speaker 1: Dan, I've seen an email about the situation on Friday.
Speaker 1: This is horrific.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean I have families that are police officers. I
Speaker 1: have good friends that are police officers. I have kids
Speaker 1: that I have coached now that are many of them
Speaker 1: are police officers. But the reality is, I mean boxing
Speaker 1: is one thing, but I mean I think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be protecting yourself or trying to subd somebody, I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: wrestling or uh taekwondo, but.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, karate judo, anything like that. I mean one
Speaker 2: of the those that's what should be taught how to
Speaker 2: take someone down, uh easily and officially and there are
Speaker 2: ways that that you can take someone down. It done.
Speaker 1: I mean to be putting, you know, young guys toe
Speaker 1: to toe with somebody, you know, and if you're not,
Speaker 1: if you never boxed, it's it's a it's something that
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a whole different world when you're
Speaker 1: in a box r you've never done it before. So
Speaker 1: I think this is horrific. Uh, you know, not to
Speaker 1: have videotaping of this happening is insane. To have any trouble.
Speaker 2: You were tonight one of the newscasts that there there
Speaker 2: was videotape.
Speaker 1: Well that that needs to get out there.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I was watching Channel five at six
Speaker 2: o'clock and I thought I heard them say that there
Speaker 2: was videotape. But what do you think about my idea,
Speaker 2: Let's get someone like Ed Davis, Willie Gross or Dan Lensky,
Speaker 2: three leaders here in Boston to absolutely get involved. I
Speaker 2: mean this, we have we have some great police leadership,
Speaker 2: Bill Bratton. I would trust Bill Bratton getting involved.
Speaker 1: I mean this, yeah, Bill Evans, Billy Evans Evans absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: But the state please investigating this is absolutely you know
Speaker 1: out of the question.
Speaker 2: Well, no, what happened Joe Early, the d A in
Speaker 2: Worcester County, said that not only is he his office
Speaker 2: going to recuse themselves from it, but he will not
Speaker 2: hand it on to another DA's office, which was a
Speaker 2: good thing because all the other deeds DA's officers have
Speaker 2: State Police troopers assigned to them. Uh, that's why I think,
Speaker 2: you know, bring in at Davis, bringing Dan Lynsky, Willie Gross,
Speaker 2: Bill Bratt, Kathy O'Toole, you know former uh you know,
Speaker 2: uh head of the state not the state police, but
Speaker 2: head of the n DC police, uh, the nbd A police.
Speaker 2: She was the head of the the the Irish police
Speaker 2: what they call the gardener over in Ireland. We have
Speaker 2: a wealth of people here, wealth of people that's got
Speaker 2: to be done. And guess what if mistakes were made.
Speaker 2: These are mistakes that that that are tragic and have
Speaker 2: cost this young man his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you gotta move you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: learn from them and move on and never can happen again.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean just either family, how devastated. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so sad, it's terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, this kid had to be for him to get
Speaker 2: through the state police training. Since April April May, June, July, August,
Speaker 2: September is when they're getting ready for the graduation ceremony.
Speaker 2: So this kid had to be in good shape. I
Speaker 2: mean a lot of a lot of at that point
Speaker 2: in the process. A lot of guys have washed out.
Speaker 2: Guys and gals have washed out, and somehow, some way,
Speaker 2: something really bad happened. If these reports of him having
Speaker 2: there were reports of a fraction skull, brain injury, a
Speaker 2: broken neck, and missing teeth boxing for boxing.
Speaker 1: I got a month.
Speaker 2: Those are the oversized gloves that you hit somebody with
Speaker 2: and you know it's it's not pleasant, but it's not
Speaker 2: going to knock your teeth out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this sister was but uh, you know, knowing
Speaker 1: that the kid worked in the DA's office, you know
Speaker 1: the he it's definitely something that you know, this this
Speaker 1: individual has been dreaming of doing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's dream a nightmare for him and for
Speaker 2: his family. I just hope that as he lay on
Speaker 2: his deathbed that he was conscious enough. They say, you're
Speaker 2: hearing is the last thing to go, But it would
Speaker 2: be great to think that he heard him being sworn
Speaker 2: in and officially becoming a member of the Massachusetts State Police.
Speaker 2: Just tragic, just tragic. Hey Bob, thank you for your call.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Thank you my friend too. And again,
Speaker 2: this is the state police that that laid off, that
Speaker 2: fired fired about a dozen young police troopers because they
Speaker 2: wouldn't get a COVID shot. Bring those people back and
Speaker 2: pay them their packs back salary. State police. You know,
Speaker 2: they can go after the person who pads the overtime,
Speaker 2: but I want to look at the leadership of the
Speaker 2: state police. At this point. I'm telling you this, there's
Speaker 2: something rotten in Denmark. Be back on Nightside A one
Speaker 2: line at six one seven, two four thirty and one
Speaker 2: at six one, seven, nine three one ten thirty. We
Speaker 2: will change this topic at ten o'clock. Normally, I say,
Speaker 2: if you want to continue on it, we will. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about the second attempt at assassination of
Speaker 2: President Trump beginning at ten. So if you want to
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Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside, It's night Side with Dan Ray
Speaker 2: on wb Boston's news radio. All right, we're talking about
Speaker 2: a Massachusetts State Police recruit who was in the customer
Speaker 2: of becoming a trooper who was killed. I mean they
Speaker 2: say he died, No, he was killed. Lawrence and west Roxbury. Lawrence,
Speaker 2: appreciate your call. You're next on nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good evening, Dan. We've talked before. I'm a pharmacy
Speaker 5: opicer in the airports and my first tour in a
Speaker 5: military was in the Marine Corps, and I've been a
Speaker 5: participant and several exercises, said Saint, be similar to the
Speaker 5: one that the State Police Academy was using here.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: But if I was, if I was involved there, given
Speaker 5: what happened to this youngster, I would have stopped it
Speaker 5: in three seconds because I would have known he didn't
Speaker 5: know how to defend himself. And I seriously think that
Speaker 5: the head of the State Police and the person in
Speaker 5: charge of the training out there, that whoever is going
Speaker 5: to take over the prosecution of this case, supervision of
Speaker 5: this case, should be thinking about manslaughter.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, obviously, let the facts go in wherever
Speaker 2: the facts take us. But I think at a minimum,
Speaker 2: even if it was simply lack of adequate supervision or
Speaker 2: instructions should have been given to both of them to say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you're not in here, you know, to beat the heck
Speaker 2: out of your colleague, you'll be troopers on the road together.
Speaker 2: You know, if one of you have an advantage, you know, you.
Speaker 5: Can supervision the supervision. Oh absolutely, yea three seconds at
Speaker 5: the most, given what ams in this kid, Yeah, you
Speaker 5: should have stopped it should have been stopped otherwise, you know.
Speaker 2: And by the way, they have these oversized gloves that
Speaker 2: are intended to.
Speaker 5: Make a difference. You got guy in there, what he
Speaker 5: should do. He's gotta hurt him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that. But what I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: even with the oversized gloves, they should give you some
Speaker 2: more time. You land a couple of punches and you say, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's it. No Moss throw the towel in.
Speaker 5: So sad and then if you band this business. But see,
Speaker 5: these guys have been You should have known him three
Speaker 5: seconds that this kid could not defend themselves, and they
Speaker 5: should have stopped it.
Speaker 2: Uh, would you agree with me that the investigation should
Speaker 2: be conducted by the way, hats off to Joe Earley,
Speaker 2: the District Attorney of Worcester County. You say, not only
Speaker 2: should in his office investigate, but normally you give it
Speaker 2: off to another DA's office. He said it should be
Speaker 2: no DA's office in Massachusetts. I think it should be
Speaker 2: an independent person like an Ed Davis or a Willie Ross,
Speaker 2: Kathy O'Toole Bill General. Well, she's going to be a
Speaker 2: little compromised because she has state police assigned her office
Speaker 2: as well. No, I think it should be totally out.
Speaker 5: You don't worry about the state police being there at all.
Speaker 5: They have to do it. You take a leadership position
Speaker 5: and deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But what I'm saying is I think that all
Speaker 2: of us have come to no and trust a guy
Speaker 2: like Ed Davis. I don't think I don't dis agree
Speaker 2: with you, right, And what I'm saying is I want
Speaker 2: somebody from the outside looking in here. I don't want
Speaker 2: anybody anybody close to this this set of circumstances. I
Speaker 2: don't want any state politician. I don't want any state official.
Speaker 2: I want it to be given Ed Davis, Willie Gross,
Speaker 2: Bill Evans, Paul Evans, Kathy O'Toole, Bill Broddon. We got
Speaker 2: some great police leaders here.
Speaker 5: All right, all right, you're right, all right, thanks.
Speaker 2: And thank you for your service. By the way, what.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, all right, Thanks.
Speaker 2: Thanks Lawrence, appreciate your call. We're gonna keep rolling here
Speaker 2: as we live. Do I get time for one more
Speaker 2: quick calling before the break? Yere, let me get one
Speaker 2: in there. People don't have to wait. Let me go
Speaker 2: to Josh in Whitman, Massachusetts. Josh, welcome next on Nightsiger, right.
Speaker 6: Ahead, welcome. I own a local box and Jim and
Speaker 6: Whitman and uh, this is atrociouss I've seen thousands of
Speaker 6: boxing matches, aspiring exhibition, so on and so forth, and
Speaker 6: nothing like that has ever happened in my gym of
Speaker 6: the forty years we've been been around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either. You could put all of
Speaker 2: these great professional fighters, whether it be you know, the
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's of the world, who you know, hit with
Speaker 2: just incredible force. Now again they're in with other professional fighters,
Speaker 2: but this would never happen.
Speaker 6: I stocked guys off, kids off five years old and
Speaker 6: four years old and above, and and it's just this
Speaker 6: is this is bad. It's a horrible look for my
Speaker 6: sport as well. You know, because the boxing is supposed
Speaker 6: to make you, you know, build character, build structure, build discipline.
Speaker 6: So for them to let something like that, it seems
Speaker 6: like more of a bullying thing to me.
Speaker 2: The thing is this the reason I want the investigation
Speaker 2: is I'm not sure that this was a one on
Speaker 2: one boxing match. The amount of damage that was inflicted broke.
Speaker 6: Blunt force trauma. That's not even that, that's not hugelism.
Speaker 6: It's blunt force trauma. It's sad, it's a shame, and
Speaker 6: it's and and it's it's ridiculous that our state police
Speaker 6: should even they should we will be taught how to
Speaker 6: kind of punch. They should be taught out of restrain
Speaker 6: and reduce conflict. They shouldn't be teaching them how to punch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, If anything, you teach them to make sure
Speaker 2: they know how to defend themselves, but they also know
Speaker 2: how to take someone down quickly and efficiently if they
Speaker 2: have to be.
Speaker 6: Taken down, correct, Jiu jitsu, judas you know like that,
Speaker 6: it's it's de escalation. It's not coming to the offensive.
Speaker 6: Their public servants, if.
Speaker 2: Some if someone comes at you, you sound to me
Speaker 2: like you probably know more about this than I do.
Speaker 2: But I know enough about it to know that if
Speaker 2: someone comes at you, you kind of step back and
Speaker 2: you take them momentum and you put him down.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 6: I mean, I definitely did grow up in a punch first,
Speaker 6: ask questions later, like type of things. But that's that
Speaker 6: you really like, you're gonna put them on me. But
Speaker 6: those guys are trained to de escalate, So why are
Speaker 6: they beating someone to death? That's the issue that that's
Speaker 6: the that's the main issue here.
Speaker 2: That's a legitimate an issue.
Speaker 6: Josh.
Speaker 2: That's but there has to be, no matter what, a total, full, complete,
Speaker 2: thorough and transparent investigation by an outside party. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: we as a publican trust and I can't think of
Speaker 2: anyone more trustworthy than Ed Davis.
Speaker 6: I'm all for it. I mean, the head should be
Speaker 6: spinning right now up in the higher grass.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let's let's see what the governor does here. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is one that's going to
Speaker 2: land of the governor's desk no matter what. Josh, thank
Speaker 2: you for calling in. Thank you for what you do.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, talk soon, good night, quick break here.
Speaker 2: I got a couple of calls that can take maybe
Speaker 2: one or two more, but we will stop at ten.
Speaker 2: Well there's one more, so we're going to get three
Speaker 2: between now and ten o'clock. Maybe room for you, the
Speaker 2: only line open if you want to give it a
Speaker 2: shot six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. No
Speaker 2: guarantee I can get John coming back on night Side.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: everybody in here. Let me start off with Gary in
Speaker 2: New Jersey. Gary, you were next on nights. I appreciate
Speaker 2: you taking the time. Got go ahead, sir.
Speaker 7: Hey, Dan, nice to hear from you. You know, training
Speaker 7: ain't supposed to kill you. And I understand why they
Speaker 7: use boxing because they always felt you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of these people never had to do anything and that
Speaker 7: would give them confidence. But when someone gets killed doing it,
Speaker 7: there's a problem. And you know, a lot of times
Speaker 7: in my job, I always found out with people who
Speaker 7: do training, those who can do do, those who can't
Speaker 7: do teach, and a lot of times these guys take
Speaker 7: it to a whole other level. And hey, someone's got
Speaker 7: an answer for this. You're not supposed to die when
Speaker 7: you're learning something, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2: This is I don't know if this story has made
Speaker 2: it down in New Jersey or not, but we have
Speaker 2: a new kernel up here coming in. Who was they?
Speaker 2: I guess involved when New Jersey State Police. This is
Speaker 2: a hell of a heck of a welcome that he's asking.
Speaker 7: Well, i'll tell you why. What they need to do
Speaker 7: is get a guy like Ray Kelly from New York
Speaker 7: longest serving police commissioner and you know, let him investigate.
Speaker 2: So I got up here.
Speaker 7: Okay, someone's got to do it. That got that's got
Speaker 7: no skin in the game. And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7: This kid's family deserves an answer. He was going for
Speaker 7: a job that you know, was that. And the only
Speaker 7: thing the problem is got boxing, especially among different state police.
Speaker 7: Jersey does it, uh, I think New York does it.
Speaker 7: It goes back years ago and it was like a tradition,
Speaker 7: and you know, sometimes traditions are wrong. And I remember
Speaker 7: when my younger brother was in the academy. He's retired now.
Speaker 7: He was in the Navy. He's been boxing in the
Speaker 7: boys clubs and everything since he was a kid. And
Speaker 7: when he, you know, went through the academy and they
Speaker 7: had doing the boxing, he tried telling the guy, said, look,
Speaker 7: it's not fair for me to fight any of these
Speaker 7: guys because he just got out of the Navy and
Speaker 7: the only thing he did in the Navy he was
Speaker 7: on the boxing teams, and they used to go around
Speaker 7: putting on exhibitions and everything, and you know these guys
Speaker 7: sometimes they're just you know, these guys doing the training
Speaker 7: or sometimes just not edds who don't listen.
Speaker 2: All right, Jarry, I got two more. I got to
Speaker 2: get in earlier. Bye bye Carver, Sandra, gotta get you
Speaker 2: and al and gohead Sander.
Speaker 8: Okay, first of all, I just want to say, I
Speaker 8: see no excuse for something like this happening. And I
Speaker 8: understand he also worked in the DA's office.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was as advocate. He was a victim's advocate,
Speaker 2: get in, and apparently a very well loved and respected
Speaker 2: young guy who wanted to be a state trooper.
Speaker 8: Victims advocates in courthouses generally are handling situations of abuse.
Speaker 8: Is that not correct? If perhaps this individual who's also
Speaker 8: in training, or maybe multiple of them were aware of
Speaker 8: his work in the DA's office and had it out
Speaker 8: for him. Because I see no excuse for injuries like that,
Speaker 8: that's that's terrible.
Speaker 2: If that's true, that's criminal.
Speaker 8: Okay, that's right, that's murder. That's absolutely all right.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks so much, Sandras. Always appreciate you calling me
Speaker 2: get Al in here. Al I believe is a former trooper. Al,
Speaker 2: Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 9: How are you, Dan? It's good to talk to you
Speaker 9: or all friends. I think you remember me. You did
Speaker 9: me a solid long time ago. So yeah, and I
Speaker 9: worked with your brother and I'm retired now. So I
Speaker 9: fear no repercussion from the from the job or anybody else.
Speaker 9: But the first question I have to ask is are
Speaker 9: you assuming facts not an evidence? Do you have a
Speaker 9: copy of the post? Do you have a copy of
Speaker 9: the autopsy that nobody else has seen? No to talk
Speaker 9: about the injuries that this young man received.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm simply taking the opportunity to talk about
Speaker 2: the the facts that have been reported so far. I
Speaker 2: have not I don't know that the autopsy has been done. Now,
Speaker 2: you're right, okay, but what facts?
Speaker 9: What facts have been reported? I can tell you that
Speaker 9: the information that what I'm aware of is no facts
Speaker 9: have been reported. There were there were there were statements
Speaker 9: that were reproduced that were attributed to his mom, And
Speaker 9: I can tell you what.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let me just give you what I have
Speaker 2: read earlier. I don't know if you've listened the entire hour.
Speaker 2: This according to they lost the Globe. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: legitimate news source. Several news outlets of reports.
Speaker 9: We could, we could, we could debate how legitimate they are.
Speaker 2: But go ahead, fair enough, let's not. Let's not go
Speaker 2: down that rope because I'm running out of time. Several
Speaker 2: news outlets have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in
Speaker 2: bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise. He suffered
Speaker 2: a broken neck and a brain injury, and was placed
Speaker 2: on life support at the hospital, accorded to NBC ten
Speaker 2: Boston and CBS Boston. The only fact that I do
Speaker 2: know is that he was transported to the Worcester Medical Center.
Speaker 2: Uh and he died late Friday.
Speaker 9: So I heard all that. I read all that too. However,
Speaker 9: nobody has seen the post yet. Nobody has seen the autopsy.
Speaker 9: Nobody has any, if any real official information as to
Speaker 9: the cause of death or what happened. I'm not trying
Speaker 9: to justify what what that he's dead. What I'm saying
Speaker 9: is in a training exercise, things happened, and nobody has
Speaker 9: seen yet the official autopsy report.
Speaker 2: Nobody the autopsy probably report doesn't exist. But my problem,
Speaker 2: here's what my problem is. Out I am concerned that
Speaker 2: if I don't talk about this tonight and I don't
Speaker 2: tell people, I have a responsibility, in my opinion, is
Speaker 2: that is to make people aware of what I consider
Speaker 2: to be important stories. And I think this is a
Speaker 2: really important story for a whole bunch of reasons. Uh.
Speaker 2: And and which are which are pretty obvious. Uh. And
Speaker 2: if it turns out that somehow this guy was walking
Speaker 2: into the ring and he slipped and fell and he
Speaker 2: broke his neck, Okay, fine, But whenever information is hard
Speaker 2: to come by and nobody is denying it, no one
Speaker 2: is saying, hey, he didn't ever broken neck, he didn't
Speaker 2: have a brain injury, maybe he didn't even die. I
Speaker 2: can only look at the facts that that I know.
Speaker 2: I know that they're they're acknowledging there was it was
Speaker 2: an exercise, and that he's now dead. That just doesn't
Speaker 2: compute it.
Speaker 1: And I've done.
Speaker 9: Here's here's the problem that I'm having. And I have
Speaker 9: no problem with you or your show. You know I
Speaker 9: listened to your show. You know I call you all
Speaker 9: the time. Yeah, you don't have to support what's being
Speaker 9: the story that's being put. You can't have, you can't
Speaker 9: let you can't let the story run without the facts,
Speaker 9: and right now, frankly, there are no facts that have
Speaker 9: been published. The facts are being sat on. The autopsy
Speaker 9: results have not been revealed, and the trainees' previous medical
Speaker 9: condition has not been revealed. Nothing has been revealed except
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 2: What else when this comes out, When it comes out
Speaker 2: that the facts that we have talked about tonight are
Speaker 2: way off base and that he had some sort of
Speaker 2: a medical seizure, you know that that was totally unrelated
Speaker 2: and the state police there's no need to super call
Speaker 2: for an investigation of supervision. Feel free to call back
Speaker 2: and tell me Dan, you know you were right and
Speaker 2: I was wrong. I'm just telling you that I'm going
Speaker 2: by my judgment, just like I think police officers sometimes
Speaker 2: have to go by their gut instinct. When you pull
Speaker 2: the car over at night, it was your gut instinct
Speaker 2: that was telling you how am I going to post
Speaker 2: this car? Who's in this car? What do I have
Speaker 2: to be concerned about? Those are all sort of instincts
Speaker 2: that you develop which are very difficult to articulate. I
Speaker 2: have instincts as a news guy. I've been around a
Speaker 2: long time. That's where my instincts take me. Tonight, we'll
Speaker 2: see if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 9: I listen, no disrespect intended, you know that, yep. I
Speaker 9: just want to I just want to make sure that
Speaker 9: everybody out there listening understands that the story and the
Speaker 9: conditions attributed to this young man have not really been
Speaker 9: validated by a post yet and when they do, and
Speaker 9: I'm with you, I'm with you. I agree with you,
Speaker 9: and I'm with you. And if if the situation reveals
Speaker 9: that this some gross misconduct took place, I will be
Speaker 9: the first to call you back and I will own.
Speaker 2: It, okay, and then I'll look forward to that call
Speaker 2: either way, and maybe the truth of summer in the middle.
Speaker 2: All I got to run because I'm up in the ten.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling. As always, with you agree to disagree.
Speaker 2: I enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 9: Thanks Jan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I have a great night. Ten o'clock. Second assassination attempt
Speaker 2: on Donald Trump. This is getting a little out of hand, folks,
Speaker 2: and we need to address it tonight and we will
Speaker 2: coming back on night side