WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.919 What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.960 this episode, we're going to talk about the search of 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:12.000 Brian Kolberger's parents trash and why they didn't need a 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:15.720 warrant meaning the authorities to do that. I've had some 5 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:18.920 emails of people asking me how it's possible for the 6 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.719 police to rifle through somebody's trash without a warrant, And 7 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:24.879 I'm here to tell you that the second you put 8 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.160 your stuff out of that curb and it's no longer 9 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.920 on your property, that gives the police or anyone else 10 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:33.799 for that matter, the right to rifle through it. So 11 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.960 if you're putting sensitive things in your trash, things you 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.840 don't want other people to see or to have access to, 13 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.920 I would suggest you didn't do that. Get yourself a 14 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.719 nice shredder, shred up whatever sort of information you might 15 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.079 find valuable so other people don't get their hands on it. 16 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:54.000 Because you never know who's going through the trash, and 17 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.240 if you're somebody who's a criminal, you better believe that 18 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:01.679 the police will definitely go through your trash and do 19 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.200 what they call a trash pull trying to get some 20 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:09.760 information on you. And this is all constitutionally protected. Once 21 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.920 you throw something out in the trash, you don't have 22 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:15.439 any sort of rite over it or any sort of 23 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.400 Fourth Amendment constitutional protection over it because you've thrown it out, 24 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.319 discarded it off of your property in the trash can. 25 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.959 So that's why the police were able to go through 26 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.319 Brian Cohberger's parents trash without a warrant and get this information, 27 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:37.079 crucial information DNA information that led them directly to Brian Coburger. 28 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.439 So today we're going to talk a little bit about 29 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:43.640 these trash pulls and try and add a little bit 30 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.719 of clarity to the process. And to do that, we 31 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.359 have an article from kr EM Channel two. But before 32 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.359 we dive into that article, I have a quick little 33 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:58.200 blurb from a local law firm down in Pennsylvania called 34 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.920 O'Donnell Weiss and Mat High, who are talking about this 35 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:04.319 very thing. So I figured it would be a good 36 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.280 idea to add a little bit of context from lawyers 37 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.800 down here in Pennsylvania and have them explain what the 38 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.000 hell's going on with this trash pull. So this first 39 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.879 bit we're about to talk about is from the website 40 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:23.000 owmlaw dot com. Can the police search my trash without 41 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.840 a warrant? When you gather up your trash and put 42 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.039 it on the curve for pickup, you are probably not 43 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.120 thinking that it may contain something of interest to the police. 44 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.560 Trash is just trash, right not necessarily. Though the Fourth 45 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.560 Amendment protects you from a legal search and seizure, it 46 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.639 does not protect you from searches conducted in neutral or 47 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.800 public places. You need to think twice about what kind 48 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.159 of sensitive information you are putting in your trash bag. 49 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.759 And that goes even if you're not a criminal. Like 50 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.840 I said in the opening, if you don't want people 51 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.400 to have access to your information, private personal information, throwing 52 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.639 it in the trash is not a good idea because 53 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.520 people will get access to it. There's people that go 54 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.360 around and dig through people's trash to try and find 55 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.280 information about them, to steal their identity. So it's just 56 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:14.280 a good practice not to throw sensitive things out, paperwork, 57 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.840 anything with your social Security number on it, anything like that. 58 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.719 My advice would be to ShredIt right up. And if 59 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.000 you're a criminal, come on, I shouldn't have to tell 60 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:28.199 you that. When does my trash become public property? The 61 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.240 moment that you set your trash on the curb in 62 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.759 front of your house, it becomes public property. Therefore, the 63 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.199 police can search through it without notifying you. Courts may 64 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.639 allow evidence obtained without a warrant from garbage cans and 65 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.240 cans in the following locations the curb in front of 66 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:49.479 your house, the property surrounding your apartment, your yard, your garage, 67 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.240 in dumpsters throughout the city, in public trash cans found 68 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.479 in places such as schools, offices, bus stations, etc. Any 69 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.120 place where trash is placed for pickup is considered searchable 70 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.919 by law enforcement, even if they do not have a warrant, 71 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.719 So keep that in mind. I know there was people 72 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.400 out there that were saying that the search of Brian's 73 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:15.000 parents trash was unconstitutional and they did it without a warrant. 74 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.399 But in Pennsylvania and pretty much everywhere, this is legal. 75 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.800 Why would the police search my trash? The police may 76 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.160 suspect that you are selling drugs, but they may not 77 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.160 have enough evidence to obtain a search warrant. By searching 78 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.000 through your trash, they may find incriminating incriminating evidence, such 79 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.680 as drug paraphernalia. This evidence will be shown to a judge, 80 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.399 who will in turn, most likely issue a warrant to 81 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.519 search your home and property. So that's how it worked out, right. 82 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.519 They went to the judge with the stuff that they found, 83 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.879 the DNA profile from the trash, and they were able 84 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.240 to get that probable cause warrant signed off on. So 85 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:55.759 before we dove into the article, I wanted to just 86 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.519 do a quick overview of what it means to have 87 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.879 your trash pulled in Sylvania, and as you can see, 88 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.879 it was a legal process that will be upheld in 89 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.120 a court of law. Now onto our article. This article 90 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.040 is from kr EM Channel two and the headline no 91 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.920 police did not need a warrant to search the University 92 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.879 of Idaho murder suspects trash. Police working to solve the 93 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.759 murder of four University of Idaho students search the trash 94 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:29.319 of suspect Brian Coberger's family looking for DNA evidence. This 95 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:34.720 article was authored by Mark Hanrahan. As the man accused 96 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.800 of killing four University of Idaho's students awaits his next 97 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:41.319 court hearing, viewers reached out to Verify Team to ask 98 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:46.279 about evidence gathered in the case, specifically questions surround how 99 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.800 police collected DNA evidence by searching the trash belonging to 100 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.439 Brian Coberger's family. Did police need a warrant to search 101 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.360 the trash. Well, we know they didn't, but it's a 102 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.759 question that a lot of people have. And remember, just 103 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.800 because you and I follow along closely with these kinds 104 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.120 of cases, that doesn't mean everybody else does. And there's 105 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.319 a lot of people that are finding their way to 106 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.519 the Idaho murder case who don't follow true crime really 107 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.240 and they don't understand that you can't have your trash searched. 108 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.600 So people are looking for clarification and answers, and it's confusing. 109 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.839 There's a lot of information to go through and a 110 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.319 lot to process. The question. It became known in the 111 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.120 Coburger case that the police went through the trash to 112 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.839 get DNA evidence. Do the police need a warrant to 113 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.000 do that? The answer no. In most cases, police do 114 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.560 not need a warrant to search your trash as long 115 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:38.800 as it's outside of your home. So if you have 116 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.800 it on the curb right, then that's something that they 117 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.079 can search. If you keep your trash on the side 118 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.720 of your house, on your property, on your house grounds, 119 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.759 well they can't search that. However, when you do bring 120 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.519 the trash out and put it in the can and 121 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.759 then the garbage truck comes to take it, they'll do 122 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.120 what's called a ride along with the garbage truck, and 123 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.519 they'll search your trash once they get to the site. 124 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 So the moral of the story is, if you're a 125 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.920 criminal and you throw something in the trash, chances are, 126 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.759 if you're under surveillance and on the radar, the police 127 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.839 are going to find that stuff that you tossed in 128 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.680 the trash. The Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable search 129 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.399 and seizure by the government. In this case police. However, 130 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.160 in California versus Greenwood, the Supreme Court determined that trash 131 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.920 left for pickup outside of your home isn't protected by 132 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.560 the Fourth Amendment. Some states do have stricter laws, so 133 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.959 it can depend on where the search takes place. But 134 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:37.079 that is not a factor in the Coburger search. And 135 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.240 that's why I wanted to read that little blurb from 136 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.120 the law office down there in Pennsylvania. The more contacts, 137 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.759 the better, right, The more information that we have when 138 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.199 it comes to stuff like this, the better off we are. 139 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.680 Pennsylvania and Idaho, the two states involved in this particular case, 140 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.120 they do not have anything above and beyond the Supreme 141 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:00.000 Court's consideration of no warrant, Hunger explained. So in other words, 142 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:04.399 it's law enforcement in Idaho and Pennsylvania can generally search 143 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.839 your trash so long as it's been put outside. So 144 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.519 the second it hits that outside curb, it is public 145 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.279 now the police can go through it. So Brian Coberger 146 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.319 and his legal team they won't have a leg to 147 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.000 stand on here if they're trying to appeal that. Now, 148 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.759 it might get a little dicey with the neighbors trash. 149 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.360 I wonder how that'll work out, But again, the trash 150 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.240 was put out on the street and anyone can go 151 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:32.200 through it. What we found. The question about whether police 152 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.200 need a warrant to search someone's trash comes from details 153 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.440 in Coburger's case laid out in the probable cause Affidavid. 154 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:42.200 The document states that the police in Pennsylvania searched through 155 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.320 the trash cans outside of Coburger's parents' home, where they 156 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.480 say they obtained DNA evidence used to link him to 157 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.240 the crime scene in Moscow. The Supreme Court is ruled 158 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.639 in a case called California verus Greenwood back in nineteen 159 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.120 eighty eight that'll warrant is not required at all to 160 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:03.200 search through some he's trash, assuming that that trash has 161 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.000 been put out for pickup, Unger explained. In general, the 162 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.879 Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable search and seizure by 163 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.559 the government, but the Supreme Court determined that trash left 164 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:20.799 outside for pickup isn't protected. However, police must consider what 165 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.200 their state constitution says on the matter. In the Coburger case, 166 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.600 this was not a factor. Pennsylvania and Idaho, the two 167 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.519 states involved in this particular case, they do not have 168 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.759 anything above and behind the Supreme Court's consideration of no warrant, 169 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.519 Hunger explained, so, in other words, law enforcement in Idaho 170 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.320 and Pennsylvania can generally search your trash as long as 171 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.279 it's been put outside. So Brian Coberger and his team 172 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:47.799 here are not going to have any kind of leg 173 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.399 to stand on if they try and challenge the validity 174 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.879 of this search for the DNA evidence that was found 175 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.320 linking him to this murder. They will not be able 176 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:01.080 to challenge that because searching the trae is legal in 177 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:06.679 Pennsylvania and to Idaho. The location is key here. If 178 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.840 your trash is left for pickup outside your home, police 179 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.519 don't need a warrant. If your trash is inside your 180 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.879 home or garage, then the police they do need a warrant. 181 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.600 So when it comes to the coburger case, Hunger said, 182 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.919 police were okay to search the trash. Law enforcement in 183 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.960 this particular case in Pennsylvania acted lawfully and constitutionally when 184 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.120 it collected the DNA from the parents trash can. He said, 185 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.879 so we can verify that police do not need a 186 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.600 search warrant to search your trash so long as it's 187 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.960 outside of your home and your state's constitution does not 188 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.600 state otherwise. And this is a trick that the FBI 189 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.639 and the police do all the time. They did the 190 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.200 same thing to Jeffrey Epstein. And on the flip side 191 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.320 of that, Epstein even hired some private investigators to do 192 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.840 the same thing to lawyers in the case that we're 193 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.759 going against them. So this is a tactic that's used 194 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.240 by both sides. And if you're somebody who was a 195 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.120 criminal and you're putting stuff out in your trash, well 196 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.919 you get what you deserve. I mean, somebody has to 197 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.600 win the Darwin Award, right, all right, folks, that's gonna 198 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.320 do it for this one. All of the information that 199 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.200 goes along with this episode can be found in the 200 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:20.840 description box. Everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're 201 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.960 learning more about the surveillance that was placed on Brian 202 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:28.919 Cohberger as the investigators continued to try and build their 203 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.919 case for probable cause, and according to these sources, Brian 204 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:39.039 Cohberger was seen outside of his home wearing surgical gloves. Now, 205 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.799 why would you be outside of your family home wearing 206 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.759 surgical gloves, unless, of course, you're trying to hide your DNA, Unless, 207 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.799 of course you don't want anybody to come and pick 208 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.639 up something that you might have touched. So he was 209 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.600 showing a lot of caution here and showing that he 210 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.559 didn't want anyone to have a chance to grab anything 211 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.080 that he might have his DNA on it. Now, the 212 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.759 question becomes, why would he be so worried about that? 213 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.159 How many of you walk around each day wearing surgical gloves, 214 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.039 worried that your DNA is going to be picked up 215 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:16.279 by investigators. My guess is the vast majority of us, 216 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.879 the ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent 217 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:23.240 of us, don't ever worry about that. But if you're 218 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:28.159 suspected of murdering four college students with a knife, well 219 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.600 you're probably going to be a little bit more cautious 220 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:36.080 than the average person. So before we heard he was 221 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.799 wearing gloves going to the grocery store, and people can 222 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.639 write that off as Look, it's cold in Pennsylvania, there's COVID, 223 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.519 people want to wear gloves in the store. All right, cool, 224 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.559 I'm on board, But how do you explain this one away? 225 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.200 There is no explanation for somebody running around in their 226 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:58.320 front yard wearing surgical gloves. Today's article is from CNN 227 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.519 headlined Idaho suspect in student murders thoroughly cleaned vehicle, also 228 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:08.000 seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times outside the family home. 229 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:14.480 Source says this article was authored by Aya Alam Russi 230 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:20.519 and John Miller. The man accused of murdering for University 231 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.039 of Idaho's students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior 232 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.440 and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing 233 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:32.240 surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended. A law enforcement 234 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.559 source tells CNN. Now, even with washing the car and 235 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.720 doing a thorough job, my guess is some DNA would 236 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.879 be left in that car. No, obviously, I'm not a 237 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.759 forensic expert or anything like that. But if you just 238 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.320 committed these grizzly murders, you would think there would be 239 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.080 blood in DNA on you. Maybe he had some kind 240 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.919 of plastic covering his seats. He's obviously been preparing since August, 241 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.440 so it wouldn't shock me if he took those sorts 242 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.000 of preparations as well, meaning putting down plastic in his 243 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.159 car or something like that. But usually with these forensic teams, 244 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.159 they're able to find even the little smallest drop. So 245 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.000 my guess is that's what they're doing right now, pulling 246 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:19.840 that Alantra apart piece by piece. Brian Cooeberger twenty eight, 247 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.039 is currently the sole suspect in the gruesome stabbings of 248 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:28.039 student Kaylee Gonsalvice Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, 249 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:32.360 who are found dead inside their off campus house in Moscow, Idaho, 250 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.639 on November thirteenth. Coburger, who is pursuing a PhD in 251 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:40.399 criminal justice at Washington State at the time of the killings, 252 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:44.000 cleaned his car inside and out, not missing an inch, 253 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:49.000 according to the law enforcement source. I just can't get 254 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.720 over the fact that somebody with a PhD in criminology 255 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.559 would think it's a good idea to not only stalk 256 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.200 this house in his vehicle, but bring his cell phone 257 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.080 and then commit these and use his vehicle that's registered 258 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.440 to him, by the way, as a getaway vehicle. Even 259 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.759 people with no education in criminology know that if you 260 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.519 have a car registered to you and you use it 261 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.360 in the commission of a crime this is the year 262 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:21.279 twenty twenty three, chances are they're gonna catch you. And 263 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.360 that's why you see people who are out here doing 264 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.519 drive bys and shit like that. They use stolen cars. 265 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.080 They're not going to hop in their own whip, drive 266 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:33.519 down to Crenshaw and start dumping on people. The source, 267 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.639 who spoke on the condition of anonymity, was briefed on 268 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.480 observations made by investigators during four days of surveillance leading 269 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.039 up to Coburger's arrest at his family's Pennsylvania home on 270 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.440 December thirtieth. As Coburger now remains behind bars in Idaho 271 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.840 awaiting his January twelfth status hearing, new details have emerged 272 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.960 elucidating some of the suspect's movements in the days leading 273 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.759 up to his arrest. The surveillance team assigned to Coburg 274 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.039 was tasked with two missions, according to multiple law enforcement sources, 275 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.960 keep eyes on Coburger so they could arrest him as 276 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.000 soon as a warrant was issued. And try to obtain 277 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.480 an object that would yield a DNA sample from Coburger, 278 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.919 which could then be compared to DNA evidence found at 279 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.840 the crime scene. And there's some of these crime bosses 280 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.679 out there that are so cautious about this stuff that 281 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.159 they don't even put trash out. They burn it, they 282 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.480 don't go out and drink from other cups. People are 283 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.519 crazy about this stuff, especially people who are in the 284 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:39.480 crosshairs of the government. Coburger was seen multiple times outside 285 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:43.320 the Pennsylvania home wearing surgical gloves, according to the law 286 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.879 enforcement source. And again, one of these issues doesn't seem 287 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.519 like that big of a deal on its own right, 288 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.879 but when you install it into the overall story, it 289 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.879 just adds on to how bad it looks for Brian 290 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.279 Cohberger as far as the evidence that is being put 291 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.920 against them. In one instance, prior to Coburger's arrest, authorities 292 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.000 observed him leaving his family home around four am and 293 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:12.640 putting trash bags in the neighbor's garbage bins. According to 294 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.799 the source, so that again, it looks really bad for him. 295 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.519 When you put all of this together and you start 296 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.279 weaving that net, and you start putting the pieces of 297 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.519 the puzzle together, it really starts to reveal the actions 298 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.400 of what looks like a very guilty man. You're going 299 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.880 to be out here putting garbage in your neighbor's bins. 300 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.400 What excuse for that are you going to have? And 301 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.359 what do you think a jerry's going to think about 302 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.519 that when they look at the overall amount of evidence 303 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.079 and then they start adding all of these little pieces 304 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.480 to it. I don't know how Colberger thinks he's going 305 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.759 to defend himself here. The recovered items were sent to 306 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.200 the Idaho State Lab, per the source. Last Friday, a 307 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:59.160 Pennsylvania state swat team then moved in on Coburger's family home, 308 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.119 breaking down the door and windows in what is known 309 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.680 as a dynamic entry, a tactic used in rare cases 310 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.799 to arrest high risk suspects. The source added. On Thursday, 311 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.119 Coburger had his initial court appearance in Idaho after he 312 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:17.240 was booked into the Lata County jail Wednesday night following 313 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.839 his extradition from Pennsylvania. Coburger is charged with four counts 314 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.799 of first degree murder and one count of burglary. He 315 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.599 did not enter a plea at the hearing. Now I'm 316 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.799 hearing that he is going to plead not guilty, but 317 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.799 that could change when he gets a full look at 318 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.319 what they have against him. I don't know how any 319 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.599 lawyer is going to say to him, look, we should 320 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.440 go to trial here. Maybe the prosecutor comes forward and says, 321 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.680 if you plead guilty, then we won't go after the 322 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.480 death penalty, and sometimes that's enough to push people into 323 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:54.880 pleading guilty. Now, Brian Coberger, I'm not too sure. I 324 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:59.119 think that he might be enjoying all of this the 325 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:04.079 evidence against the suspect. Authorities spent nearly two months investigating 326 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.000 before they were able to name publicly a suspect, a 327 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.920 task that grabbed national attention and rattled the victims loved ones, 328 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:13.880 as well as the community, which had not recorded a 329 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:17.440 murder in years. Still, the public's view of the case 330 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.599 remains mirrored with questions. As of late Thursday, it remains 331 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.799 unclear what motivated the killings. It's also unclear how the 332 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:29.160 suspect entered the house. After authorities said there was no 333 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.440 sign of forced entry, or why two roommates who were 334 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.240 inside the residents at the time of the killings survived 335 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:40.359 the attacks. Those are all good questions, and I think 336 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:44.119 all of us are asking ourselves and whoever's listening, those 337 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:49.880 very same questions. Here's how the investigators narrowed the search 338 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:55.480 to Coburger. DNA trash recovered from Coburger's family home revealed 339 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.720 the DNA profile obtained from the trash matched to tan 340 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.920 leather knife sheath laying on the bed of one of 341 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:06.160 the victims, according to a probable cause AFFID David released 342 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.759 on Thursday. Now does it get any more ridiculous than that? 343 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.440 If you're some kinds of criminologist, you can't even think 344 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.880 to put the sheath away. You leave it there with 345 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.960 your DNA on it, and then you think you're gonna 346 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.359 get away with these crimes. Huh, breaking news, Brian Cohberger. 347 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:27.240 Not as smart as you think you are, my brother. 348 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.880 The DNA recovered from the trash identified a male as 349 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.799 not being excluded as the biological father of the suspect 350 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.160 whose DNA was found on the sheath. At least ninety 351 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.200 nine point nine eight percent of the male population would 352 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.279 be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being 353 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.680 the suspects biological father. The Affid David said phone records 354 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.920 authorities found the suspect's phone was near the victim's Moscow, 355 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.440 Idaho home at least a dozen times between June of 356 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.279 twenty twenty two to the present day. According to the 357 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.440 Affid David, the records also revealed Coberger's phone was near 358 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.279 the crime scene hours after the murder that morning, between 359 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.039 nine to twelve am and nine to twenty one am. 360 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.480 The document says the killings were not reported to authorities 361 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.119 until just before noon. And we talked about this earlier 362 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:24.759 on the other episode about the pings, and it's just 363 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.119 gruesome to think that this guy was lurking around that 364 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.519 crime scene after these crimes were committed and possibly going 365 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.039 to the vigils and all the other stuff as well. 366 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.720 A white Sedan, a Hyundai a Lantra was seen near 367 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.200 the victim's home around the time of their killings. Officers 368 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.160 at Washington State University identified a white Alantra and later 369 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.839 learned it was registered to Coburger. The same car was 370 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.240 also found at the suspects Pennsylvania family home when he 371 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.960 was arrested last Friday. The suspects university is about a 372 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.240 ten minute drive from the Idaho crime scene. Now, not 373 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:05.759 to get too deep down the rabbit hole, but did 374 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.599 he choose Washington State University for a reason? Was he 375 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.200 following one of these girls on social media previously to 376 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:17.839 choosing this university? Obviously just speculation, but certainly something that 377 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.960 I would think the prosecutors are looking at and digging into. 378 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:28.839 Roommate reveals she heard crying the day of attacks. One 379 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.279 of two roommates who were not harmed in the attacks 380 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.559 said she saw a masked man dressed in black inside 381 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.319 the house on the morning of the killings. According to 382 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.440 the Probable Cause affid David, and this certainly was a bombshell. 383 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.160 Up until this point, we thought that everybody was asleep, 384 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.519 nobody had seen the person. The roommates had no idea 385 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.400 what happened, They didn't hear anything. But in the Affid 386 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.039 David it tells us a completely different story. In fact, 387 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.880 one of the roommates DM she had a run in 388 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:03.440 with the suspected killer enough so and close enough that 389 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:05.799 she was able to make out his build and that 390 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:11.599 he had bushy eyebrows, so It's one of those questions 391 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.559 that I keep asking myself as to how and why 392 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.319 he didn't murder her as well, And I think basically 393 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.559 at this point, it's a miracle that it didn't happen. 394 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.880 Whether it was he was spookeed already or he ran 395 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:31.480 out of energy, whatever it is, this poor girl ran 396 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:35.319 into literally the face of evil and somehow wasn't harmed. 397 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.000 Identified as DM in the court document, the roommate said 398 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.440 she heard crying in the house that morning and also 399 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.960 heard a man's voice say it's okay, I'm going to 400 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.359 help you. DM said she then saw a figure clad 401 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.200