Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. On
Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to talk about the search of
Speaker 1: Brian Kolberger's parents trash and why they didn't need a
Speaker 1: warrant meaning the authorities to do that. I've had some
Speaker 1: emails of people asking me how it's possible for the
Speaker 1: police to rifle through somebody's trash without a warrant, And
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you that the second you put
Speaker 1: your stuff out of that curb and it's no longer
Speaker 1: on your property, that gives the police or anyone else
Speaker 1: for that matter, the right to rifle through it. So
Speaker 1: if you're putting sensitive things in your trash, things you
Speaker 1: don't want other people to see or to have access to,
Speaker 1: I would suggest you didn't do that. Get yourself a
Speaker 1: nice shredder, shred up whatever sort of information you might
Speaker 1: find valuable so other people don't get their hands on it.
Speaker 1: Because you never know who's going through the trash, and
Speaker 1: if you're somebody who's a criminal, you better believe that
Speaker 1: the police will definitely go through your trash and do
Speaker 1: what they call a trash pull trying to get some
Speaker 1: information on you. And this is all constitutionally protected. Once
Speaker 1: you throw something out in the trash, you don't have
Speaker 1: any sort of rite over it or any sort of
Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment constitutional protection over it because you've thrown it out,
Speaker 1: discarded it off of your property in the trash can.
Speaker 1: So that's why the police were able to go through
Speaker 1: Brian Cohberger's parents trash without a warrant and get this information,
Speaker 1: crucial information DNA information that led them directly to Brian Coburger.
Speaker 1: So today we're going to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: these trash pulls and try and add a little bit
Speaker 1: of clarity to the process. And to do that, we
Speaker 1: have an article from kr EM Channel two. But before
Speaker 1: we dive into that article, I have a quick little
Speaker 1: blurb from a local law firm down in Pennsylvania called
Speaker 1: O'Donnell Weiss and Mat High, who are talking about this
Speaker 1: very thing. So I figured it would be a good
Speaker 1: idea to add a little bit of context from lawyers
Speaker 1: down here in Pennsylvania and have them explain what the
Speaker 1: hell's going on with this trash pull. So this first
Speaker 1: bit we're about to talk about is from the website
Speaker 1: owmlaw dot com. Can the police search my trash without
Speaker 1: a warrant? When you gather up your trash and put
Speaker 1: it on the curve for pickup, you are probably not
Speaker 1: thinking that it may contain something of interest to the police.
Speaker 1: Trash is just trash, right not necessarily. Though the Fourth
Speaker 1: Amendment protects you from a legal search and seizure, it
Speaker 1: does not protect you from searches conducted in neutral or
Speaker 1: public places. You need to think twice about what kind
Speaker 1: of sensitive information you are putting in your trash bag.
Speaker 1: And that goes even if you're not a criminal. Like
Speaker 1: I said in the opening, if you don't want people
Speaker 1: to have access to your information, private personal information, throwing
Speaker 1: it in the trash is not a good idea because
Speaker 1: people will get access to it. There's people that go
Speaker 1: around and dig through people's trash to try and find
Speaker 1: information about them, to steal their identity. So it's just
Speaker 1: a good practice not to throw sensitive things out, paperwork,
Speaker 1: anything with your social Security number on it, anything like that.
Speaker 1: My advice would be to ShredIt right up. And if
Speaker 1: you're a criminal, come on, I shouldn't have to tell
Speaker 1: you that. When does my trash become public property? The
Speaker 1: moment that you set your trash on the curb in
Speaker 1: front of your house, it becomes public property. Therefore, the
Speaker 1: police can search through it without notifying you. Courts may
Speaker 1: allow evidence obtained without a warrant from garbage cans and
Speaker 1: cans in the following locations the curb in front of
Speaker 1: your house, the property surrounding your apartment, your yard, your garage,
Speaker 1: in dumpsters throughout the city, in public trash cans found
Speaker 1: in places such as schools, offices, bus stations, etc. Any
Speaker 1: place where trash is placed for pickup is considered searchable
Speaker 1: by law enforcement, even if they do not have a warrant,
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. I know there was people
Speaker 1: out there that were saying that the search of Brian's
Speaker 1: parents trash was unconstitutional and they did it without a warrant.
Speaker 1: But in Pennsylvania and pretty much everywhere, this is legal.
Speaker 1: Why would the police search my trash? The police may
Speaker 1: suspect that you are selling drugs, but they may not
Speaker 1: have enough evidence to obtain a search warrant. By searching
Speaker 1: through your trash, they may find incriminating incriminating evidence, such
Speaker 1: as drug paraphernalia. This evidence will be shown to a judge,
Speaker 1: who will in turn, most likely issue a warrant to
Speaker 1: search your home and property. So that's how it worked out, right.
Speaker 1: They went to the judge with the stuff that they found,
Speaker 1: the DNA profile from the trash, and they were able
Speaker 1: to get that probable cause warrant signed off on. So
Speaker 1: before we dove into the article, I wanted to just
Speaker 1: do a quick overview of what it means to have
Speaker 1: your trash pulled in Sylvania, and as you can see,
Speaker 1: it was a legal process that will be upheld in
Speaker 1: a court of law. Now onto our article. This article
Speaker 1: is from kr EM Channel two and the headline no
Speaker 1: police did not need a warrant to search the University
Speaker 1: of Idaho murder suspects trash. Police working to solve the
Speaker 1: murder of four University of Idaho students search the trash
Speaker 1: of suspect Brian Coberger's family looking for DNA evidence. This
Speaker 1: article was authored by Mark Hanrahan. As the man accused
Speaker 1: of killing four University of Idaho's students awaits his next
Speaker 1: court hearing, viewers reached out to Verify Team to ask
Speaker 1: about evidence gathered in the case, specifically questions surround how
Speaker 1: police collected DNA evidence by searching the trash belonging to
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger's family. Did police need a warrant to search
Speaker 1: the trash. Well, we know they didn't, but it's a
Speaker 1: question that a lot of people have. And remember, just
Speaker 1: because you and I follow along closely with these kinds
Speaker 1: of cases, that doesn't mean everybody else does. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are finding their way to
Speaker 1: the Idaho murder case who don't follow true crime really
Speaker 1: and they don't understand that you can't have your trash searched.
Speaker 1: So people are looking for clarification and answers, and it's confusing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of information to go through and a
Speaker 1: lot to process. The question. It became known in the
Speaker 1: Coburger case that the police went through the trash to
Speaker 1: get DNA evidence. Do the police need a warrant to
Speaker 1: do that? The answer no. In most cases, police do
Speaker 1: not need a warrant to search your trash as long
Speaker 1: as it's outside of your home. So if you have
Speaker 1: it on the curb right, then that's something that they
Speaker 1: can search. If you keep your trash on the side
Speaker 1: of your house, on your property, on your house grounds,
Speaker 1: well they can't search that. However, when you do bring
Speaker 1: the trash out and put it in the can and
Speaker 1: then the garbage truck comes to take it, they'll do
Speaker 1: what's called a ride along with the garbage truck, and
Speaker 1: they'll search your trash once they get to the site.
Speaker 1: So the moral of the story is, if you're a
Speaker 1: criminal and you throw something in the trash, chances are,
Speaker 1: if you're under surveillance and on the radar, the police
Speaker 1: are going to find that stuff that you tossed in
Speaker 1: the trash. The Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable search
Speaker 1: and seizure by the government. In this case police. However,
Speaker 1: in California versus Greenwood, the Supreme Court determined that trash
Speaker 1: left for pickup outside of your home isn't protected by
Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment. Some states do have stricter laws, so
Speaker 1: it can depend on where the search takes place. But
Speaker 1: that is not a factor in the Coburger search. And
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to read that little blurb from
Speaker 1: the law office down there in Pennsylvania. The more contacts,
Speaker 1: the better, right, The more information that we have when
Speaker 1: it comes to stuff like this, the better off we are.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Idaho, the two states involved in this particular case,
Speaker 1: they do not have anything above and beyond the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court's consideration of no warrant, Hunger explained. So in other words,
Speaker 1: it's law enforcement in Idaho and Pennsylvania can generally search
Speaker 1: your trash so long as it's been put outside. So
Speaker 1: the second it hits that outside curb, it is public
Speaker 1: now the police can go through it. So Brian Coberger
Speaker 1: and his legal team they won't have a leg to
Speaker 1: stand on here if they're trying to appeal that. Now,
Speaker 1: it might get a little dicey with the neighbors trash.
Speaker 1: I wonder how that'll work out, But again, the trash
Speaker 1: was put out on the street and anyone can go
Speaker 1: through it. What we found. The question about whether police
Speaker 1: need a warrant to search someone's trash comes from details
Speaker 1: in Coburger's case laid out in the probable cause Affidavid.
Speaker 1: The document states that the police in Pennsylvania searched through
Speaker 1: the trash cans outside of Coburger's parents' home, where they
Speaker 1: say they obtained DNA evidence used to link him to
Speaker 1: the crime scene in Moscow. The Supreme Court is ruled
Speaker 1: in a case called California verus Greenwood back in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight that'll warrant is not required at all to
Speaker 1: search through some he's trash, assuming that that trash has
Speaker 1: been put out for pickup, Unger explained. In general, the
Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable search and seizure by
Speaker 1: the government, but the Supreme Court determined that trash left
Speaker 1: outside for pickup isn't protected. However, police must consider what
Speaker 1: their state constitution says on the matter. In the Coburger case,
Speaker 1: this was not a factor. Pennsylvania and Idaho, the two
Speaker 1: states involved in this particular case, they do not have
Speaker 1: anything above and behind the Supreme Court's consideration of no warrant,
Speaker 1: Hunger explained, so, in other words, law enforcement in Idaho
Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania can generally search your trash as long as
Speaker 1: it's been put outside. So Brian Coberger and his team
Speaker 1: here are not going to have any kind of leg
Speaker 1: to stand on if they try and challenge the validity
Speaker 1: of this search for the DNA evidence that was found
Speaker 1: linking him to this murder. They will not be able
Speaker 1: to challenge that because searching the trae is legal in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and to Idaho. The location is key here. If
Speaker 1: your trash is left for pickup outside your home, police
Speaker 1: don't need a warrant. If your trash is inside your
Speaker 1: home or garage, then the police they do need a warrant.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to the coburger case, Hunger said,
Speaker 1: police were okay to search the trash. Law enforcement in
Speaker 1: this particular case in Pennsylvania acted lawfully and constitutionally when
Speaker 1: it collected the DNA from the parents trash can. He said,
Speaker 1: so we can verify that police do not need a
Speaker 1: search warrant to search your trash so long as it's
Speaker 1: outside of your home and your state's constitution does not
Speaker 1: state otherwise. And this is a trick that the FBI
Speaker 1: and the police do all the time. They did the
Speaker 1: same thing to Jeffrey Epstein. And on the flip side
Speaker 1: of that, Epstein even hired some private investigators to do
Speaker 1: the same thing to lawyers in the case that we're
Speaker 1: going against them. So this is a tactic that's used
Speaker 1: by both sides. And if you're somebody who was a
Speaker 1: criminal and you're putting stuff out in your trash, well
Speaker 1: you get what you deserve. I mean, somebody has to
Speaker 1: win the Darwin Award, right, all right, folks, that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
Speaker 1: goes along with this episode can be found in the
Speaker 1: description box. Everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're
Speaker 1: learning more about the surveillance that was placed on Brian
Speaker 1: Cohberger as the investigators continued to try and build their
Speaker 1: case for probable cause, and according to these sources, Brian
Speaker 1: Cohberger was seen outside of his home wearing surgical gloves. Now,
Speaker 1: why would you be outside of your family home wearing
Speaker 1: surgical gloves, unless, of course, you're trying to hide your DNA, Unless,
Speaker 1: of course you don't want anybody to come and pick
Speaker 1: up something that you might have touched. So he was
Speaker 1: showing a lot of caution here and showing that he
Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to have a chance to grab anything
Speaker 1: that he might have his DNA on it. Now, the
Speaker 1: question becomes, why would he be so worried about that?
Speaker 1: How many of you walk around each day wearing surgical gloves,
Speaker 1: worried that your DNA is going to be picked up
Speaker 1: by investigators. My guess is the vast majority of us,
Speaker 1: the ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent
Speaker 1: of us, don't ever worry about that. But if you're
Speaker 1: suspected of murdering four college students with a knife, well
Speaker 1: you're probably going to be a little bit more cautious
Speaker 1: than the average person. So before we heard he was
Speaker 1: wearing gloves going to the grocery store, and people can
Speaker 1: write that off as Look, it's cold in Pennsylvania, there's COVID,
Speaker 1: people want to wear gloves in the store. All right, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm on board, But how do you explain this one away?
Speaker 1: There is no explanation for somebody running around in their
Speaker 1: front yard wearing surgical gloves. Today's article is from CNN
Speaker 1: headlined Idaho suspect in student murders thoroughly cleaned vehicle, also
Speaker 1: seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times outside the family home.
Speaker 1: Source says this article was authored by Aya Alam Russi
Speaker 1: and John Miller. The man accused of murdering for University
Speaker 1: of Idaho's students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior
Speaker 1: and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing
Speaker 1: surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended. A law enforcement
Speaker 1: source tells CNN. Now, even with washing the car and
Speaker 1: doing a thorough job, my guess is some DNA would
Speaker 1: be left in that car. No, obviously, I'm not a
Speaker 1: forensic expert or anything like that. But if you just
Speaker 1: committed these grizzly murders, you would think there would be
Speaker 1: blood in DNA on you. Maybe he had some kind
Speaker 1: of plastic covering his seats. He's obviously been preparing since August,
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't shock me if he took those sorts
Speaker 1: of preparations as well, meaning putting down plastic in his
Speaker 1: car or something like that. But usually with these forensic teams,
Speaker 1: they're able to find even the little smallest drop. So
Speaker 1: my guess is that's what they're doing right now, pulling
Speaker 1: that Alantra apart piece by piece. Brian Cooeberger twenty eight,
Speaker 1: is currently the sole suspect in the gruesome stabbings of
Speaker 1: student Kaylee Gonsalvice Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,
Speaker 1: who are found dead inside their off campus house in Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: on November thirteenth. Coburger, who is pursuing a PhD in
Speaker 1: criminal justice at Washington State at the time of the killings,
Speaker 1: cleaned his car inside and out, not missing an inch,
Speaker 1: according to the law enforcement source. I just can't get
Speaker 1: over the fact that somebody with a PhD in criminology
Speaker 1: would think it's a good idea to not only stalk
Speaker 1: this house in his vehicle, but bring his cell phone
Speaker 1: and then commit these and use his vehicle that's registered
Speaker 1: to him, by the way, as a getaway vehicle. Even
Speaker 1: people with no education in criminology know that if you
Speaker 1: have a car registered to you and you use it
Speaker 1: in the commission of a crime this is the year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, chances are they're gonna catch you. And
Speaker 1: that's why you see people who are out here doing
Speaker 1: drive bys and shit like that. They use stolen cars.
Speaker 1: They're not going to hop in their own whip, drive
Speaker 1: down to Crenshaw and start dumping on people. The source,
Speaker 1: who spoke on the condition of anonymity, was briefed on
Speaker 1: observations made by investigators during four days of surveillance leading
Speaker 1: up to Coburger's arrest at his family's Pennsylvania home on
Speaker 1: December thirtieth. As Coburger now remains behind bars in Idaho
Speaker 1: awaiting his January twelfth status hearing, new details have emerged
Speaker 1: elucidating some of the suspect's movements in the days leading
Speaker 1: up to his arrest. The surveillance team assigned to Coburg
Speaker 1: was tasked with two missions, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
Speaker 1: keep eyes on Coburger so they could arrest him as
Speaker 1: soon as a warrant was issued. And try to obtain
Speaker 1: an object that would yield a DNA sample from Coburger,
Speaker 1: which could then be compared to DNA evidence found at
Speaker 1: the crime scene. And there's some of these crime bosses
Speaker 1: out there that are so cautious about this stuff that
Speaker 1: they don't even put trash out. They burn it, they
Speaker 1: don't go out and drink from other cups. People are
Speaker 1: crazy about this stuff, especially people who are in the
Speaker 1: crosshairs of the government. Coburger was seen multiple times outside
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania home wearing surgical gloves, according to the law
Speaker 1: enforcement source. And again, one of these issues doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like that big of a deal on its own right,
Speaker 1: but when you install it into the overall story, it
Speaker 1: just adds on to how bad it looks for Brian
Speaker 1: Cohberger as far as the evidence that is being put
Speaker 1: against them. In one instance, prior to Coburger's arrest, authorities
Speaker 1: observed him leaving his family home around four am and
Speaker 1: putting trash bags in the neighbor's garbage bins. According to
Speaker 1: the source, so that again, it looks really bad for him.
Speaker 1: When you put all of this together and you start
Speaker 1: weaving that net, and you start putting the pieces of
Speaker 1: the puzzle together, it really starts to reveal the actions
Speaker 1: of what looks like a very guilty man. You're going
Speaker 1: to be out here putting garbage in your neighbor's bins.
Speaker 1: What excuse for that are you going to have? And
Speaker 1: what do you think a jerry's going to think about
Speaker 1: that when they look at the overall amount of evidence
Speaker 1: and then they start adding all of these little pieces
Speaker 1: to it. I don't know how Colberger thinks he's going
Speaker 1: to defend himself here. The recovered items were sent to
Speaker 1: the Idaho State Lab, per the source. Last Friday, a
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania state swat team then moved in on Coburger's family home,
Speaker 1: breaking down the door and windows in what is known
Speaker 1: as a dynamic entry, a tactic used in rare cases
Speaker 1: to arrest high risk suspects. The source added. On Thursday,
Speaker 1: Coburger had his initial court appearance in Idaho after he
Speaker 1: was booked into the Lata County jail Wednesday night following
Speaker 1: his extradition from Pennsylvania. Coburger is charged with four counts
Speaker 1: of first degree murder and one count of burglary. He
Speaker 1: did not enter a plea at the hearing. Now I'm
Speaker 1: hearing that he is going to plead not guilty, but
Speaker 1: that could change when he gets a full look at
Speaker 1: what they have against him. I don't know how any
Speaker 1: lawyer is going to say to him, look, we should
Speaker 1: go to trial here. Maybe the prosecutor comes forward and says,
Speaker 1: if you plead guilty, then we won't go after the
Speaker 1: death penalty, and sometimes that's enough to push people into
Speaker 1: pleading guilty. Now, Brian Coberger, I'm not too sure. I
Speaker 1: think that he might be enjoying all of this the
Speaker 1: evidence against the suspect. Authorities spent nearly two months investigating
Speaker 1: before they were able to name publicly a suspect, a
Speaker 1: task that grabbed national attention and rattled the victims loved ones,
Speaker 1: as well as the community, which had not recorded a
Speaker 1: murder in years. Still, the public's view of the case
Speaker 1: remains mirrored with questions. As of late Thursday, it remains
Speaker 1: unclear what motivated the killings. It's also unclear how the
Speaker 1: suspect entered the house. After authorities said there was no
Speaker 1: sign of forced entry, or why two roommates who were
Speaker 1: inside the residents at the time of the killings survived
Speaker 1: the attacks. Those are all good questions, and I think
Speaker 1: all of us are asking ourselves and whoever's listening, those
Speaker 1: very same questions. Here's how the investigators narrowed the search
Speaker 1: to Coburger. DNA trash recovered from Coburger's family home revealed
Speaker 1: the DNA profile obtained from the trash matched to tan
Speaker 1: leather knife sheath laying on the bed of one of
Speaker 1: the victims, according to a probable cause AFFID David released
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Now does it get any more ridiculous than that?
Speaker 1: If you're some kinds of criminologist, you can't even think
Speaker 1: to put the sheath away. You leave it there with
Speaker 1: your DNA on it, and then you think you're gonna
Speaker 1: get away with these crimes. Huh, breaking news, Brian Cohberger.
Speaker 1: Not as smart as you think you are, my brother.
Speaker 1: The DNA recovered from the trash identified a male as
Speaker 1: not being excluded as the biological father of the suspect
Speaker 1: whose DNA was found on the sheath. At least ninety
Speaker 1: nine point nine eight percent of the male population would
Speaker 1: be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being
Speaker 1: the suspects biological father. The Affid David said phone records
Speaker 1: authorities found the suspect's phone was near the victim's Moscow,
Speaker 1: Idaho home at least a dozen times between June of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to the present day. According to the
Speaker 1: Affid David, the records also revealed Coberger's phone was near
Speaker 1: the crime scene hours after the murder that morning, between
Speaker 1: nine to twelve am and nine to twenty one am.
Speaker 1: The document says the killings were not reported to authorities
Speaker 1: until just before noon. And we talked about this earlier
Speaker 1: on the other episode about the pings, and it's just
Speaker 1: gruesome to think that this guy was lurking around that
Speaker 1: crime scene after these crimes were committed and possibly going
Speaker 1: to the vigils and all the other stuff as well.
Speaker 1: A white Sedan, a Hyundai a Lantra was seen near
Speaker 1: the victim's home around the time of their killings. Officers
Speaker 1: at Washington State University identified a white Alantra and later
Speaker 1: learned it was registered to Coburger. The same car was
Speaker 1: also found at the suspects Pennsylvania family home when he
Speaker 1: was arrested last Friday. The suspects university is about a
Speaker 1: ten minute drive from the Idaho crime scene. Now, not
Speaker 1: to get too deep down the rabbit hole, but did
Speaker 1: he choose Washington State University for a reason? Was he
Speaker 1: following one of these girls on social media previously to
Speaker 1: choosing this university? Obviously just speculation, but certainly something that
Speaker 1: I would think the prosecutors are looking at and digging into.
Speaker 1: Roommate reveals she heard crying the day of attacks. One
Speaker 1: of two roommates who were not harmed in the attacks
Speaker 1: said she saw a masked man dressed in black inside
Speaker 1: the house on the morning of the killings. According to
Speaker 1: the Probable Cause affid David, and this certainly was a bombshell.
Speaker 1: Up until this point, we thought that everybody was asleep,
Speaker 1: nobody had seen the person. The roommates had no idea
Speaker 1: what happened, They didn't hear anything. But in the Affid
Speaker 1: David it tells us a completely different story. In fact,
Speaker 1: one of the roommates DM she had a run in
Speaker 1: with the suspected killer enough so and close enough that
Speaker 1: she was able to make out his build and that
Speaker 1: he had bushy eyebrows, so It's one of those questions
Speaker 1: that I keep asking myself as to how and why
Speaker 1: he didn't murder her as well, And I think basically
Speaker 1: at this point, it's a miracle that it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Whether it was he was spookeed already or he ran
Speaker 1: out of energy, whatever it is, this poor girl ran
Speaker 1: into literally the face of evil and somehow wasn't harmed.
Speaker 1: Identified as DM in the court document, the roommate said
Speaker 1: she heard crying in the house that morning and also
Speaker 1: heard a man's voice say it's okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: help you. DM said she then saw a figure clad
Speaker 1: in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's
Speaker 1: mouth and knows walking towards her. The affidavit continued, DM
Speaker 1: described the man the figure at five foot ten or taller,
Speaker 1: a male, not very muscular, but athletically built, with bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 1: The affid David says the mail walked past DM as
Speaker 1: she stood in a frozen shock phase. The mail walked
Speaker 1: towards the backsliding glass door. DM locked herself in a
Speaker 1: room after seeing the mail, the document says, adding the
Speaker 1: roommate did not recognize the mail. Now obviously the obvious
Speaker 1: question here is why didn't she call the police? Why
Speaker 1: wasn't nine to one one called? And I really I
Speaker 1: just don't have an answer for that. But when we're
Speaker 1: dealing with somebody who is in shock, somebody who is
Speaker 1: dealing with a great trauma, there are certain things that
Speaker 1: happened to the body sometimes and people shut down. That
Speaker 1: fight or flight mode takes over and some people just
Speaker 1: shut down. So I think we're gonna have to wait
Speaker 1: to hear from some experts on that, psychologists and stuff
Speaker 1: like that before we go dipping our toes in that
Speaker 1: end of the pool, Because one thing's for damn sure.
Speaker 1: This poor girl is really going through it right now,
Speaker 1: and the last thing she needs is a social media
Speaker 1: pile on questioning her behavior on the night that her
Speaker 1: friends were all murdered. I'm not qualified to break down
Speaker 1: the mental aspect of this or how this trauma would
Speaker 1: affect people. So I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 1: blow smoke up anyone's ass and act like I know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. We'll have to wait for the
Speaker 1: experts to come out and see what they have to
Speaker 1: say about the condition she was in, what could it
Speaker 1: possibly have been, why she froze why she didn't call
Speaker 1: the police for a few hours. Those are all valid questions,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that some psychologists out there is well
Speaker 1: equipped to answer them. So we'll wait and see what
Speaker 1: comes of that and what we hear from some of
Speaker 1: these experts. But I thought it was pretty interesting that
Speaker 1: this dude was out here with surgical gloves, moving trash
Speaker 1: bags to neighbors bins, and acting all in all like
Speaker 1: a guilty MF. All right, folks, that's going to do
Speaker 1: it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
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