Speaker 1: The more I investigated this phenomenon, including encounters and all that,
Speaker 1: I began to realize that they were not a reclusive, quiet,
Speaker 1: dumb ape in the woods. You know, I've had some
Speaker 1: interesting encounters, and I've recorded some of them. What I
Speaker 1: found was mind blowing, and I've been able to successfully
Speaker 1: get very interesting audios over the past seven and a
Speaker 1: half years just simply by leaving recorders at the base
Speaker 1: of these structures. Whatever I'm recording, I believe them to
Speaker 1: be our Harry cousins, but I also believe I've recorded
Speaker 1: some other beings.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome James Lady to Bigfoot Crossroads podcast.
Speaker 2: James is the mastermind behind the Michigan Aboriginal Project. I
Speaker 2: like that name, James. How did you come up with that?
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. The more I investigated this phenomenon, including
Speaker 1: encounters and all that, I began to realize that they
Speaker 1: were not you know, a reclusive, you know, quiet dumb
Speaker 1: ape in the woods that they actually had. You know,
Speaker 1: I've had some interesting encounters and I've recorded some of them.
Speaker 1: And the more I studied the audio from these encounters.
Speaker 1: Way back when once upon a time I was encouraged
Speaker 1: to do a recording project which I resisted, but I
Speaker 1: was somewhat cajoled into it, thankfully, And I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for over and a half years. I started. Structures
Speaker 1: used to be my thing. I used to go out
Speaker 1: in the woods and just find structures. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about the the random weather insults and things that
Speaker 1: you try to figure out scratch your noggin about. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about actual like tps, wigwams and lean tos. And
Speaker 1: I later found that you can find these around any
Speaker 1: major city, actually along any watershed and that goes up
Speaker 1: into the feeder streams and even drainage drainage ditches. And
Speaker 1: I just started laboring quarters and at these actual structures.
Speaker 1: What I found was mind blowing. And I've been able
Speaker 1: to successfully get very interesting audios over the past seven
Speaker 1: half years just simply by leaving recorders at the base
Speaker 1: of these structures. And I can now honestly say that
Speaker 1: whatever I'm recording, I believe them to be our Harry cousins.
Speaker 1: But I also believe I've recorded some other beings which
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I've recorded different vocal signatures,
Speaker 1: different vocal modalities. I've recorded speech, chanting, believing or not singing.
Speaker 1: And all of this happens in the woodlands of Michigan.
Speaker 1: And I have to say even Ohio. I grew up
Speaker 1: there in southern Ohio, and I've I've found some structures
Speaker 1: down there that I've bugged, and I got the verifying
Speaker 1: vocal elements that I that I look for. And when
Speaker 1: I say that, the verified vocal elements to me confirmed
Speaker 1: the presence of some sort of crypti being around these structures.
Speaker 1: And you know, the last one I saw and recorded
Speaker 1: at the same time, It was about four week tall.
Speaker 1: It was not around one of those structures. It was
Speaker 1: right outside my tent and late October twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: It was October twenty fourth, Monday morning, it was raining,
Speaker 1: and this thing vocalized at me. I think I may
Speaker 1: have sent you a clip of that. And so when
Speaker 1: I be forewarned anybody interested in doing anything like I'm doing,
Speaker 1: you are going to get You're going to be visited
Speaker 1: you start poking around their areas. They know this, and
Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody to keep the cool and maintain
Speaker 1: a respectful disposition and demeanor while while you're doing all
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. My thing right now is learning
Speaker 1: about this phenomenon and these beings through passive audio observation.
Speaker 1: The more I learn about these beings where I realize
Speaker 1: they are some form of a people. They're not human
Speaker 1: like us at all, you know. And it's the whole
Speaker 1: thing I tell you. I wonder I question evolution. I
Speaker 1: actually don't believe evolution is a thing anymore, except in
Speaker 1: things like thought or understanding of a phenomenon like like
Speaker 1: I have developed over the years because I did. I
Speaker 1: thought the North American wood a conservancy. I thought they
Speaker 1: had it nailed. You know, this is an eighth inclusive
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and I bought in for for
Speaker 1: a little while. The gigantith gigantipithecus. Uh explanation or speculation.
Speaker 1: But there are numerous beings. I mean, they're everywhere. I
Speaker 1: can go an any suburb, around any watershed around Detroit
Speaker 1: find these structures and get audible vocalizations from things that
Speaker 1: really kind of sound otherworldly. And that's where I am
Speaker 1: right now. What do I do with this? This is
Speaker 1: something beyond my ability to fully explain. I have my ideas.
Speaker 1: I'm frimally Ferson. I've been studying the Bible now for
Speaker 1: collectively in three different Bible studies for over well over
Speaker 1: twenty years, and I'm no expert. I find a Bible
Speaker 1: fascinating and I believe them to be part of what
Speaker 1: is considered a spiritual or an unseen realm that is
Speaker 1: alive and well along our watersheds in the woodlands. So that,
Speaker 1: in essence, is what the Michigan Aboriginal Project is about.
Speaker 1: It's just about me having fun in the woods, being
Speaker 1: a kid in the woods, and all in all, it's
Speaker 1: just it's like it's just a hobby mont right, But it's.
Speaker 2: Fossen an obsession.
Speaker 1: It is an obsession. Yeah, I was explained. When I
Speaker 1: was engaged with my wife, she almost left me. I
Speaker 1: was so obsessed and enthusiastic. And when you have this
Speaker 1: epiphany that there's an ancient race of giants living on
Speaker 1: the outskirts of our actual carbon footprint, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: you can't deny what you know, what you've seen, experienced
Speaker 1: and learned. And I can't deny what I've heard. And
Speaker 1: I've heard things that are bloody downright bass demonic sounding,
Speaker 1: and other things this sound angelic. So I believe there
Speaker 1: are many many beings in this unseen realm in this
Speaker 1: other dimension, if you will, or maybe even another heaven
Speaker 1: from a biblical perspective. I don't know, but they're out there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I sent you a clip
Speaker 1: of the clip. If not, I can do it after
Speaker 1: we chat here. But it was fall of last year,
Speaker 1: fall I had my last visitation outside my tent and
Speaker 1: a subject one subject you can hear clearest day. It
Speaker 1: says I sent that to a friend of mine whose
Speaker 1: first nations or Jibwe, and he he says he believed
Speaker 1: he was securing his ancestors speak and that the O
Speaker 1: Jesua expression was something of a positive note. So which
Speaker 1: I I. That's nice to hear, because that little one
Speaker 1: that woke me up that one day, that one morning
Speaker 1: was not nice at all. And I can't it. You know,
Speaker 1: I can pronounce ojisia, but what it uttered was it
Speaker 1: was gravelly, gurgly enunciation, which I initially thought was a hiss. Matthew.
Speaker 1: I thought I was in one of the deepest sleeps
Speaker 1: I'd had in three nights, and I was awakening pulled
Speaker 1: from that deep sleep six am that October twenty fourth morning.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was crazy. I remember what I
Speaker 1: was dreaming and what he pulled me out of and
Speaker 1: I rolled off and I looked up at this thing,
Speaker 1: and I said hey. And as I looked up, it
Speaker 1: had just stepped back from the vocalism from waking me up,
Speaker 1: and it assumed like a really tight post stamp, like
Speaker 1: a soldier or sailor's ants. And in a half second, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to assess the situation. I knew it wasn't
Speaker 1: a deer. I knew it wasn't a corugar, which I
Speaker 1: thought it was initially. And I said hey, and it flinched.
Speaker 1: Then I extended my right arm and get out of here.
Speaker 1: Before I was fully extended, it was gone, and I
Speaker 1: may have heard one steps as it left. It was.
Speaker 1: It was super fast, super quiet, except what I vocalized,
Speaker 1: of course, And if everybody wants to hear that vocalization,
Speaker 1: I published that under a video called A very Rude Awakening.
Speaker 1: Too long to figure out?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?
Speaker 2: Were you camping within proximity to the shelters at that time?
Speaker 1: No, I was some distance away. Now, I have found
Speaker 1: interesting stick manipulations outside the camp, but there are no
Speaker 1: structures like that outside the camp crowd that I've ever
Speaker 1: found there's a mess of of words, and there was
Speaker 1: there was a very interesting connection of a There was
Speaker 1: a bent tree fastened to a stick that was driven
Speaker 1: into the ground and it was fastened. The tree and
Speaker 1: the stick was fashioned were fastened together by a piece
Speaker 1: of bark which seemed which looked like it had been manipulated.
Speaker 1: That's one of those little more esoteric structures, but it
Speaker 1: had all the elements. I look forward to consider it
Speaker 1: one of theirs. So what I do is just drive
Speaker 1: around the valleys in northern Michigan. I look for these
Speaker 1: structures and I leave the quarters see what I get.
Speaker 2: How did you start out in pursuit of this mystery
Speaker 2: to begin with? What happened?
Speaker 1: I'm covering, uh, starving artist. I'm still starving, But you
Speaker 1: know I was. I was into the artistic photography. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to see one, Matt. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to see one. That's how I got started. So I
Speaker 1: was actually planning a camping trip up to the Bounty Waters,
Speaker 1: camping and fish and it was really the first time
Speaker 1: I had spent any significant time on YouTube, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to know, you know, our campsite the lakes. We
Speaker 1: were going to and what sort of protagees we were
Speaker 1: going to endure. Found all of that, much to my satisfaction,
Speaker 1: and I took about two and a half days, and
Speaker 1: during that time a suggested video came up of Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and I didn't click on them immediately. I was waiting
Speaker 1: until I got everything I wanted to get off of YouTube,
Speaker 1: and then I gave into the temptation because as a kid,
Speaker 1: I always thought if these beans were real, I had
Speaker 1: to see one. I'm naturally curious, I'm wired that way,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious your fault and I figured out one
Speaker 1: of these beans commune, and it's it is around these
Speaker 1: areas where I find either solo standing or many of
Speaker 1: these structures, very varied gps, wrigwams and link to that
Speaker 1: self was fun. Finding them is still fun. I still
Speaker 1: do do that, but I have some regular routine spots
Speaker 1: up that I lead recorders, and I invariably get something
Speaker 1: worth writing home about recorded about I sent I think
Speaker 1: about a fifty two second clip. It's really weird and
Speaker 1: ethereal sort of vocalizations. You have a what it starts off?
Speaker 1: What's set the recorder off? In this instance, that was
Speaker 1: recording on the voice activated mode, and there was like
Speaker 1: a knock, which I hadn't convinced of vocals that established
Speaker 1: got the recorder running. Then you here a little snip,
Speaker 1: and then like a call, a distant call, and then
Speaker 1: something it's a response that's kind of like a siren sound,
Speaker 1: like you know of ancient war and mythology and and
Speaker 1: all sorts of other stuff. And in that you have
Speaker 1: the knock, you have whistles, you have weird calls, you
Speaker 1: have conventional speech as you and I are engaged in now,
Speaker 1: and mixed in with other various vocal modalities. But there
Speaker 1: are multiple subjects you can tell throughout the valley, and
Speaker 1: if you listen closely, you can hear subjects close in
Speaker 1: the foreground of the audio, and you can hear those
Speaker 1: in the distance. I know I sent you that clip,
Speaker 1: and I sent you another one. I think that I
Speaker 1: recorded from the same location two years apart, and has
Speaker 1: all those elements in as well conventional speech, the clicking,
Speaker 1: weird you know, you hear what. There's kind of a
Speaker 1: lot out there. I need to learn most from witness encounters,
Speaker 1: and very often they'll describe the clicking and the melodic
Speaker 1: sort of clucking that kind of thing, and there was
Speaker 1: one description I heard that it was like the sound
Speaker 1: of running waters, which piqued my interest because in the
Speaker 1: boublical studies you look into revelation in the Bible, John
Speaker 1: reported hearing Jesus speak with the sound of many waters,
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, that's perhaps an element of what
Speaker 1: could be angelic speak or or language that only the
Speaker 1: Bene elohem would would know, or beings of that unseeing realm,
Speaker 1: which is the shadeen. Shadeen is an Hebrew word that
Speaker 1: means territorial spirits. When it was translated, I think it
Speaker 1: lost its original meetings. In modern West Christianity has taken
Speaker 1: a demonic or demons. If you look at the original Hebrew,
Speaker 1: it's actually territory and spirits. So they could, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they could be evil or good. They can be demonic
Speaker 1: or angelic. They can be this, that or the other thing.
Speaker 1: And I think there are many. I think there are
Speaker 1: many of these beings and they all have their own place.
Speaker 1: That's that's speculation. I can't say for sure, but that's
Speaker 1: where my mind and my own evidence to passive bodial
Speaker 1: observation has taken me.
Speaker 2: Walk us through the process. You find these structures and
Speaker 2: then you just place a voice activated recorder in them,
Speaker 2: or how do you set it up?
Speaker 1: I do. I set it down at the base of
Speaker 1: these structures. I tried my best to hide them. Very
Speaker 1: often they find them, and that's exert I believe I
Speaker 1: have a clip I can share it enough to share
Speaker 1: it with you later of actual juveniles holding my recorder
Speaker 1: and an older voice in there in the mix, and
Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like the older one was saying,
Speaker 1: what is it like a really deep gravelly ah, just
Speaker 1: a deep old voice. It's it's fascinating. So and I
Speaker 1: but I believe they were holding it because when I
Speaker 1: retrieved the recorder, it was in a neon a neoprene
Speaker 1: sleeve and it had this like iridescence to it when
Speaker 1: I picked it up, as it were coded in some
Speaker 1: sort of powder, and it reminded me of the powder
Speaker 1: that my mother had on her makeup table as a boy,
Speaker 1: and had somewhat of an iridescence to it. That's what
Speaker 1: it looked like. And I threw the back of my
Speaker 1: car and went I bought my business. The stink. The
Speaker 1: stink started. It was really pervasive in in my car
Speaker 1: and I couldn't identify for a while, but it was
Speaker 1: the whatever was left on the uh the new prem
Speaker 1: quorder cover huh uh so, and I have that backup
Speaker 1: audio to, you know, add to the plausibility that that
Speaker 1: was the scenario of the setting. Jim Roles picked it
Speaker 1: up and were wondering. Sometimes they never have taken the recorders.
Speaker 1: On probably three or four occasions found them for pushed
Speaker 1: way further in than where I left, which I think
Speaker 1: is interesting, and that was the case with that one
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Do you think these structures you're funding me? Because I
Speaker 2: mean I've seen video and photographs of some of the
Speaker 2: structures you found, and in most cases they look like
Speaker 2: what we would build for like emergency survival shelter type situation, yeah,
Speaker 2: Debrie shelters. Yeah. Do you think they're shelters for them
Speaker 2: or do they have some other purpose or they trying
Speaker 2: to make them look like something that we would construct.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have an answer for that.
Speaker 1: All I know is that when I find these structures,
Speaker 1: I do test. I do test if they have that
Speaker 1: primitive feel, especially I do test that lead recorders, and
Speaker 1: that's how I know. I don't know what they significant,
Speaker 1: significant signify. I believe that these are places. They tell
Speaker 1: me where where they've been before and where they will
Speaker 1: likely be again. So the only way to test that
Speaker 1: is to leave audio recorders. I'm trying to. I tried
Speaker 1: early on. I tried game camps, and I got nothing.
Speaker 1: I left a trail cam at a spot based in
Speaker 1: the structure, and I didn't see just a week, but
Speaker 1: I didn't see a single rodent, not a squirrel, not
Speaker 1: a bird, nothing. I didn't get anything, which I thought
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting, big or not that was in a
Speaker 1: suburb of ann Arbor or just outside of the Arbor,
Speaker 1: And it goes to underscore the fact that there's a
Speaker 1: heavy presents around our watersheds I could bring around Detroit.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Cliff Barrittman I hired him
Speaker 1: once upon a time. He was in West Branch doing
Speaker 1: a lecture and I hired him for a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 1: sort of session. It was the first time I had
Speaker 1: actually aired my carelier recordings. My end of the presentation
Speaker 1: didn't really go so well. This was like spring of
Speaker 1: nineteen and I had just gotten into it. The first
Speaker 1: recorder I laid, I think was late November twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: so I newly brand new with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was still using Audacity as the you know, to
Speaker 1: filter and clean up some audio. I later moved on
Speaker 1: to Adobe Audition and have refined my skills where where
Speaker 1: where I'm a pretty good formula which changes all the
Speaker 1: time depending on the clip that that reveals these these uh,
Speaker 1: these audio, these these vocalizations.
Speaker 2: Have you heard other audio recordings from other people that
Speaker 2: are similar to what you've captured?
Speaker 1: Oh? I spoke of that earlier this afternoon. There's a
Speaker 1: fellow interested in doing a documentary on my work, and,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, matt Matthew Johnson, uh, the chiropractor.
Speaker 1: I believe he is, UH and he has I don't
Speaker 1: really follow his work, however, at having investigated it, and
Speaker 1: and he's probabished some audio on the front of his
Speaker 1: red page. I'm sorry I can't name it right now,
Speaker 1: only because I can't remember it, but his audio was
Speaker 1: very much of the same ilk that I have gathered.
Speaker 1: There's also Christine Parker. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: that name. She was around years ago and wrote a
Speaker 1: book called one hundred Bigfoot Nights. Yes, yes, so all right,
Speaker 1: So her stuff is much like that which I've I've
Speaker 1: also captured quite honestly in that in that vein. I
Speaker 1: don't know what uh you know, everybody considers run More
Speaker 1: heads work recordings to be the all end all every
Speaker 1: time they hear them, especially now and especially after the
Speaker 1: seven and a half plus years of recordings that I gotten.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything really that sounds like what he
Speaker 1: has recorded. So I believe they record something, but they
Speaker 1: I believe they're much different beings than that which I've
Speaker 1: captured in the hills and waterways of Michigan. All the
Speaker 1: stuff that I have has has similarities in that they
Speaker 1: have these these a very interesting harmonic resonance which they
Speaker 1: use most of him, and that harmonic resonance I think
Speaker 1: is maybe responsible for what people are feeling when the
Speaker 1: hair is raised on the back of their neck. I
Speaker 1: had an encounter in twenty nineteen that was October twenty first.
Speaker 1: It was another Monday night. That little one was Monday morning,
Speaker 1: but Monday night, and around eight o'clock I heard ch
Speaker 1: hop from downstream of the river, which is the river's
Speaker 1: probably fifty yards for me. I can't see it, but
Speaker 1: it was from that direction and then upstream I heard
Speaker 1: this big, loud boom. The boom was like a I'd
Speaker 1: liken it to an empty dumpster being dropped on the
Speaker 1: concrete from a few feet off the ground. It was loud.
Speaker 1: I felt the percussive impact of that boom, and it's
Speaker 1: in the audio as well. You can detect it. I
Speaker 1: recorded it one other time where I was not present
Speaker 1: up in the up If anybody's curious to hear that,
Speaker 1: it's at the very beginning of the Hanso footage. I
Speaker 1: believe I sent you a clip. That clip was, well,
Speaker 1: so they're out there, this this this strange, otherworldly cryptid
Speaker 1: you know, nocturnal chains of darkness kind of realm I
Speaker 1: believe exists. And the only thing I can you know,
Speaker 1: liken it to or explain explain it with. There are
Speaker 1: the biblical documentations and mentions of these beings.
Speaker 2: I mean, the audio that you sent me, I would
Speaker 2: not classify it as the typical stuff you here presented
Speaker 2: as Bigfoot vocalizations. It's not the whoops and the howls
Speaker 2: and the screams and things like. I mean, it's pretty creepy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Do you think are you recording one thing or are
Speaker 2: you recording multiple different things.
Speaker 1: I have to believe that I'm recording multiple different things
Speaker 1: that are all part of that you know, otherworldly unseen realm.
Speaker 1: That's just my current thinkings on that. You know, if
Speaker 1: you listen to my encounter of October twenty first, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: that was the Monday night, it was two nights before
Speaker 1: I picked up what I call the well like a
Speaker 1: called deep scout audio, but it's really kind of a
Speaker 1: key to helping me understand what I actually captured during
Speaker 1: the encounter two nights prior so. And you listen to that,
Speaker 1: you will hear this otherworldly clicky clucky stuff that's enunciated.
Speaker 1: You will hear conventional speech you're here, scoops that sounds
Speaker 1: gremlin ish, And you know, I got one that clearly
Speaker 1: says are you we can Havoc and about a minute
Speaker 1: fifty seconds later, the same voice as Havoc hate this
Speaker 1: man tomorrow. It's weird. I encourage you to look it
Speaker 1: up and yeah, yeah, tell me and I and I
Speaker 1: have to come home after that camping trip to my wife,
Speaker 1: who hates this subject. I had to internalize all that
Speaker 1: for months now. I didn't I didn't listen to the
Speaker 1: audio after that until a month later, because I'd wait
Speaker 1: for my nerves to settle after all I had gone through.
Speaker 1: And you can hear me in that audio footage too.
Speaker 1: Hear you hear a lot, and I never saw a
Speaker 1: thane that night, but you'll hear things that are just
Speaker 1: absolutely otherworldly and crazy. But you also hear things like
Speaker 1: at the three minute thirty second mark of that ten
Speaker 1: minutes audio that I published, and this is all during
Speaker 1: the encounter. The encounter starts at four minutes fifty three
Speaker 1: of that footage that Light published, and two versions of
Speaker 1: that footage are published, and in one a little more uh,
Speaker 1: a little more overmodulated version, you can hear it three
Speaker 1: minutes thirty seconds a deep voice. It says Eban obvious ooohh.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's super cool. It's one of my favorite expressions.
Speaker 1: And you got to listen closely or else she'll miss it.
Speaker 1: But that stuff is, it is real, and it's in there.
Speaker 1: In there. You hear hegi lahwa. You hear an expression
Speaker 1: snack pot. I don't know if they were talking about
Speaker 1: what I was eating or not. I just earlier I
Speaker 1: had made a traveler stew which is probably about fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. It was terrible. Maybe though referred to a snack.
Speaker 1: I don't know. When you hear hegey lah blah, you'll
Speaker 1: hear me say what was that? At that moment, there
Speaker 1: were a couple of major dumps of water from my tarp.
Speaker 1: It was above the recorder. It's crazy. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is crazy. And around that time I got zopped. I
Speaker 1: heard this. If I can liken it to in sound
Speaker 1: to a visual, remember that salt and pepper snow screen,
Speaker 1: that what happened on TV old TVs, TVs and that that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the static, it was that static. It felt like that
Speaker 1: static on my ear drums. It was weird. It was
Speaker 1: It was just and that was really very, very unpleasant.
Speaker 2: You mentioned though jibwe speech earlier. Have you been able
Speaker 2: to translate anything else?
Speaker 1: I have not. I really haven't translated anything because I
Speaker 1: really don't know what they're saying. But you know, in
Speaker 1: the Hanso putties, you hear Hanso clearly, you hear some
Speaker 1: other weird stuff. You hear something barking as it goes
Speaker 1: off into the distance. You hear this really weird humming
Speaker 1: that quite honestly could be a freaking spaceship bro. I
Speaker 1: know it's it's utterly bizarre. I believe that you know,
Speaker 1: along the different beings that I recorded, those vocalizations that
Speaker 1: are recorded around ann Arbor, are they contain vocal elements
Speaker 1: that are really quite different from that which I've observed
Speaker 1: in northern Lower Michigan. Huh and and uh So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm recording bigfoot all the time. I think
Speaker 1: I may have, uh we recorded these dog man things.
Speaker 1: The reason I say that is there's there's audio that
Speaker 1: has I've listened to dog dog witness experiences and they
Speaker 1: describe sort of a like a it stood up and
Speaker 1: made this like back cracking, bone cracking kind of sound.
Speaker 1: I've recorded that. It's it's super super weird, And I
Speaker 1: have not recorded that up in northern Michigan where I
Speaker 1: where I have known and seen like that little one,
Speaker 1: I have vocals recorded you hear me, and I saw
Speaker 1: it after it vocalized, and so it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's above my pay grade to actually say
Speaker 1: what these things are. But I'm telling you, if you
Speaker 1: like a little adrenaline rush, this is the greatest hobby
Speaker 1: of the world. It can be really truly nerve wacking.
Speaker 1: You know. After after I listened to that encounter audio
Speaker 1: of October twenty first, I was messed up for another
Speaker 1: three or four months, and I have to internalize it.
Speaker 1: My wife wouldn't have anything to do with it. She
Speaker 1: thinks it was you know, fancyful folly. And here I am,
Speaker 1: you know, suffering. I can't talk any friends, family. I'm
Speaker 1: not the only witness who has experienced that. It really
Speaker 1: is a shameful, painful reality of this when people just
Speaker 1: you know, you experience, you experienced something so profound that
Speaker 1: you never thought possible, and nobody will listen. It's like
Speaker 1: my last two my last two published videos, I haven't
Speaker 1: even gotten I think I might have gotten nined the
Speaker 1: views between the two of them and collectively over two
Speaker 1: months of airtime. Uh, like well, which is a shame
Speaker 1: because well there's something I have to say and conveying
Speaker 1: about that. But I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: I often wonder when the men in black are coming,
Speaker 1: I wonder why they're not coming. Yeah. Uh and if
Speaker 1: you know why they're not, it's you know, and the
Speaker 1: genmine thought, maybe they're learning something from me because this
Speaker 1: stuff was so novel, you know, I'm intensely curious. I
Speaker 1: noticed very subtle things in audio that were that I
Speaker 1: was noticing in audio that was prior previously collected, but
Speaker 1: I had no idea what to do with like that
Speaker 1: in account audio. Wow, And and I began to understand
Speaker 1: that because two nights later, up on a new structuring
Speaker 1: and that audio contains expressions. I actually I have one
Speaker 1: of these being, saye helicopters. It clearly says opters. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's another expression that it kind of cells like, sounds
Speaker 1: like helicopters. There's one that says come capikasaw and h
Speaker 1: F fifteen ft. And again these conventional expressions are accompanied
Speaker 1: by melodic clicking and clucking. So if everybody wants to
Speaker 1: hear that, it's I collected, collected little less than four
Speaker 1: minutes of audio, and I published it under a video
Speaker 1: called UH Voices from the Depths of the Woods. And
Speaker 1: you'll hear stuff in there that's really kind of very
Speaker 1: bizarre and and not as disturbing as that which I
Speaker 1: had experienced two nights before. Uh. This setting was really quiet,
Speaker 1: it was not raining, it was not windy. You hear
Speaker 1: clearly these beings speaking with a variety of vocal modalities,
Speaker 1: including the melodic clicking and cluckling, and conventional speech.
Speaker 2: There was also a video clip you sent me, uh,
Speaker 2: where you were talking about a staring contest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that was October thirty, twenty sixteen. It was
Speaker 1: the last night of my second trip, after having decided
Speaker 1: to go into the woods for the specific purpose of
Speaker 1: finding a bigfoot, so I had. It was the last night.
Speaker 1: I went to the side of the camp. I was
Speaker 1: brushing my teeth. I was going to go to bed.
Speaker 1: At quarter to ten that night, I had my red
Speaker 1: headlamp on and I went to the side of the camp.
Speaker 1: I was brushing my teeth. One of those sonicul you know,
Speaker 1: motorized things. I thought initially that maybe the sound brought
Speaker 1: in them. I mean, this is me being stupid. I
Speaker 1: think that being was there all night just observing me. Well,
Speaker 1: I spit my tooth based out and I look up
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at these two eyes. They really wide,
Speaker 1: set about sixty eighty feet in that range. Really, why
Speaker 1: I said made huge. I mean we're like the bottom
Speaker 1: of a coke hand kind of size. I mean huge.
Speaker 1: And they never moved, They never moved a millimeter. We
Speaker 1: just had this long, long stare down. And at first
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm rooming out this, that and the
Speaker 1: other thing. But after several minutes of stare down, these
Speaker 1: don't move. I'm convinced it's one of the one of
Speaker 1: these beans. And I'm also convinced that if I break
Speaker 1: eye contact, I'm never going to see it again. It'll
Speaker 1: just get away. But after it was probably in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood of ten minutes, it was a super long time,
Speaker 1: I broke the impasse. I'll never forget the feeling of
Speaker 1: turning my back on what I truly believed to be
Speaker 1: one of these hairy cousins. And I, as nonchalantly as possible,
Speaker 1: I went and grabbed my Sony handicamp and a flashlight,
Speaker 1: and halfway back from my car back to where I
Speaker 1: was standing, I turned everything on and in about twelve seconds,
Speaker 1: I capture a subject in the background, uh, in the woods,
Speaker 1: and and I didn't believe I didn't see it. I
Speaker 1: didn't believe I had captured anything. So that video footage
Speaker 1: UH stayed on my camera for four months. It was
Speaker 1: February and I decided, you know, you're suffering from a
Speaker 1: little cabin feeder up here in Michigan. And uh, and
Speaker 1: I found this anomalous apparition in the background. Uh that
Speaker 1: I found took the shape and gave way to the
Speaker 1: ship given my light, and its movement gives way the shaper,
Speaker 1: you know, a bright hominy uh in the background. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened. That was. That was. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the coolest captures out there, quite honestly, even though
Speaker 1: it's blurry, and that's how you know it's real, right right,
Speaker 1: it's so uh yeah, And it happened right after this
Speaker 1: long stare down and uh. The I used to coach
Speaker 1: my video, you app I think it was coach my
Speaker 1: video and that allowed me to zoom in and and
Speaker 1: owned scrub back and forth, which you saw in that clip.
Speaker 1: You can see that clip. Anybody goes to Michigan Aboriginal
Speaker 1: dot com. They'll see that clip and you'll hear some
Speaker 1: interesting other vocals, which, if I were to compare to
Speaker 1: Rod more heads of vocalizations, the vocals you hear on
Speaker 1: that little video are the closest I've come to mimicking
Speaker 1: anything close to the cio sounds it related. These being
Speaker 1: seen to be a little more less, a little less troglodyte, right,
Speaker 1: a little less cave manish sounding, a lot less actually
Speaker 1: than the than the CI sounds. Their vocals are severely sophisticated,
Speaker 1: well beyond our abilities to ah ever, evolved into if
Speaker 1: you ask me, I.
Speaker 2: Mean a lot of the audio at first sounds like
Speaker 2: unknown artifacts, like I can't tell what it is, and
Speaker 2: then you go back and re listen to it, and
Speaker 2: then you start realizing that, like, okay, well that's definitely
Speaker 2: a voice. That's definitely you hear the communication behind it.
Speaker 2: You hear the intelligence behind it. It's not just a
Speaker 2: random noise. It's something speaking, especially like the uh, the
Speaker 2: one that you sent me of what sounds like children talking.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a great night of recording. And that was
Speaker 1: in another state, that was in Minnesota. That that is
Speaker 1: that pretty is so delightful. It's super super boy. Actually
Speaker 1: there's another if you get to you guys, and I
Speaker 1: sended the other two clips that were captured on the
Speaker 1: same night. Yeah, okay, if the audience wants to listen
Speaker 1: to them. Music video I part oft called Minnesota Mic Drop.
Speaker 1: It's one of my more popular videos in less than
Speaker 1: five thousand viewers, but that it went what do I
Speaker 1: call it? It goes viral. That's viral to me, getting
Speaker 1: you know, a quick four thousand views a short amount
Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, no, I was. I was tickled by
Speaker 1: tickled by that. But in that you hear one subject
Speaker 1: saying wa heat heat something like that. Weird uh, another
Speaker 1: one that sounds with a robust uh vocalizations and hassan
Speaker 1: yacht uh and and then the children vocalizations all three
Speaker 1: in one night, which I thought was just fabulous. And
Speaker 1: this isn't in a nature preserve called what is it like?
Speaker 1: Something like the listeners can chase that down in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I know, right so, but it's right outside of the
Speaker 1: central business. Miss Richfield is the town that this preserve
Speaker 1: is in. And my wife is from it where there
Speaker 1: wasn't in her sister. She's she's under the full time
Speaker 1: care and adult foster care home. She she's she can't
Speaker 1: function on her own. Anyway. I was letting Maggie catch
Speaker 1: up with her sister, and I went off with a
Speaker 1: little height and not one hundred yards into that park,
Speaker 1: I found structures and I left. I left three quarters
Speaker 1: I think the next night it was looking at perhaps
Speaker 1: the last night, and picked it up the day we're
Speaker 1: going to leave, and was really tickled to death that
Speaker 1: I got such wonderful vocals just in one night. But
Speaker 1: if if you want to see what I do, that's
Speaker 1: all I do. The cross structures you can see any
Speaker 1: place in the recorders. Picking them up the next day,
Speaker 1: I document my ingress and negress and it's just truly amazing.
Speaker 1: So I would if we're going to ever learn really
Speaker 1: what the true nature of these beings are, we need,
Speaker 1: we need greater insights, and I'm I'd like to see
Speaker 1: other people get into this strange little hobby by living
Speaker 1: recorders of actual structures and sharing sharing what they find.
Speaker 1: And that's that's really all I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to put enough emphasis on this
Speaker 2: for the listener. You are finding structures that if a
Speaker 2: non bigfooter were to run across, they would be like, okay,
Speaker 2: well this is not natural, this is not animal made.
Speaker 2: This is clearly made by a person, point blank. And
Speaker 2: you are finding them in areas outside well populated areas, yep,
Speaker 2: suburbs even that have commonalities in different states, different areas.
Speaker 2: Where you go, you're finding these things, but they're in
Speaker 2: the same type areas. And then you're leaving the audio
Speaker 2: recorder completely passive. You're just dropping it off and leaving,
Speaker 2: and you're capturing recording after recording after recording of some
Speaker 2: sort of unknown languages, sounds, chants, songs. But the one
Speaker 2: thing that is clear, they are not identifiable as people
Speaker 2: speaking English, and they are not identifiable as animal sounds.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like a person and other strange sounds.
Speaker 2: I need to throw that in there, but I it's amazing,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, now you can understand why I'm a little crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, I was sharing earlier with the documentarian. Earlier,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm a strange parent, which sucks.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's a thing with youth to the strange. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I really thought along as if I could just prove
Speaker 1: this thing to be real, maybe my kids will think me,
Speaker 1: you know, honest and telling the truth about other things.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like like the nature of this, that
Speaker 1: and the other thing was they you know, just don't
Speaker 1: they just deny. I pray on this all the time,
Speaker 1: and I pray for a joyful reading in some day.
Speaker 1: I hope I hope to survive long enough to have that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm bringing forth volumes and upon volumes of
Speaker 1: strange audio capturing clearly what is some sort of communication
Speaker 1: expressed with the variety of different vocal modalities ranging from
Speaker 1: this harmonic resonance stuff which I believe they can use
Speaker 1: to blend in with the sound of the rain and
Speaker 1: the sound of the wind. And I believe they have
Speaker 1: a level of sophistication in their vocal expressions to do that.
Speaker 1: And I have audio evidence to, you know, give that plausibility.
Speaker 1: And you know, the ship's for real, it's out there
Speaker 1: every day, and you know, in church, you know, we
Speaker 1: pray for you know, all creation, things seen and unseen,
Speaker 1: and it's just a real reminder to me that there
Speaker 1: is this wonderful creation out there. I believe there are
Speaker 1: various existence challenges the theory of evolution, because if if
Speaker 1: evolution is a thing in the creation of species, then
Speaker 1: they were here a lot longer than we were, and
Speaker 1: that also so satisfies some biblical narratives. But you know,
Speaker 1: their existence also affirms biblical narratives, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it's I think revealed in the non Canadized uh Biblical
Speaker 1: texts like you know, First Emoch and Book of Joshuar, Jubilees, Maccabees. Uh,
Speaker 1: these are being apocrypha, right, and they're they're in the
Speaker 1: second tem temple uh, Jewish scribe you know time, you
Speaker 1: know which is Jesus time. You know, they've had a
Speaker 1: very supernatural worldview of this existence, and they speak of
Speaker 1: multiple heavens, right, we might colloquially express them as different
Speaker 1: dimensions the same kind of stuff. All cultures have, you know,
Speaker 1: law and such that support those narratives. And I truly
Speaker 1: believe we're dealing and was something biblical, And it's I
Speaker 1: don't have all the answers all like I sit in
Speaker 1: constantly awe and wonder about the true I mean, this
Speaker 1: stuff is awesome. I mean these vocalizations. I've recorded micro voices,
Speaker 1: which I think is a vocal modality commonly associated with
Speaker 1: the youth. But they sat I mean, they're speaking, they're there,
Speaker 1: they're they're singing. I mean, it's it's it's just part
Speaker 1: of this world. It really is.
Speaker 2: Now, you're talking about a lot of elements that people
Speaker 2: would consider supernatural, but you're not talking about like you
Speaker 2: haven't mentioned any necessarily supernatural experiences personally, Have you had
Speaker 2: any I.
Speaker 1: Have well interactions if these beings are supernatural and these
Speaker 1: and counts, you know, I've recorded them and experienced them.
Speaker 1: That that is clearly that would be a supernatural sort
Speaker 1: of experience.
Speaker 2: Have you had any instances of like mind speak or
Speaker 2: has anything followed you home from any of these locations?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah about the yeah, the passenger kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, if you look at my
Speaker 1: current situation, it depends on your perspective. One might say
Speaker 1: I'm running having a hell of a run of bad luck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, my children's astreatment is one thing, and I've
Speaker 1: committed myself. I've sacrificed I mean, working in the past
Speaker 1: three years. That's personally by choice. But I'm running a
Speaker 1: lot of money, so I got to figure something out.
Speaker 1: But I've dedicated so much time and intellectual energy and
Speaker 1: contemplation this subject that because I believe that it's important
Speaker 1: for us and now, and it's fascinating with me. That
Speaker 1: feeds my need for you know, for answers, or you know,
Speaker 1: at least the pursuit of answers. You know, it just
Speaker 1: is what it is. I don't as far as mine
Speaker 1: speeding does only once have I had an experience where
Speaker 1: I can believe that it might be mine speak and
Speaker 1: I heard this. It was September twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 1: think I was circumnavigating like Michigan. I went through Chicago,
Speaker 1: through Wisconsin, Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and then back down again
Speaker 1: and I camped at my usual spot and I heard
Speaker 1: the most beautiful fluid lift us is that the word melodic?
Speaker 1: And then see in the expression. It was early in
Speaker 1: the morning. I remember I was kind of half asleep.
Speaker 1: I'm an old man, so I had to pee and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that can I wait, I'm sure, can I
Speaker 1: go back to sleep or that to enter my bladder? Anyways,
Speaker 1: around that time, I was in that middle round of
Speaker 1: being asleep and being fully awake, and I heard this
Speaker 1: incredible two sentence expression that I was thrilled about because
Speaker 1: my recorder was going. But I looked for it later
Speaker 1: on and I couldn't find it on the audio recorders.
Speaker 1: Was it in my head? I don't know. And if
Speaker 1: it is in my head, why would why on Earth?
Speaker 1: I mean, most people would resport report mind speakers. You
Speaker 1: know they're getting a message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some profound epiphany of some sort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have no idea what I was listening
Speaker 1: to other than the fact knew it was a language,
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, and it was sophisticated. Not in many
Speaker 1: years could I ever recreate in my own, on my
Speaker 1: own tongue what I had heard. Was it in my head?
Speaker 1: I heard it? Was it my imagination? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Was it put there by one of these beings? Maybe?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't doubt other people's mind speak stories,
Speaker 1: there's enough of them around, but I can't say that
Speaker 1: I've had one on my own. But if I had
Speaker 1: that one experience was something that I would say was
Speaker 1: mind speak because it did not register on the recorder.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I never had any experiences that I would
Speaker 2: consider paranormal or supernatural in relation to them, But looking back,
Speaker 2: perhaps I did and I just wasn't attributing it to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe we're pretty stupid creations. We are. Yeah, we're dumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But something that kind of goes with what you
Speaker 2: just said is there have been cases, and I've been
Speaker 2: personally attached to some of them, where people have gotten
Speaker 2: audio recordings of sounds that took place when they were there,
Speaker 2: but they didn't hear it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I believe that happens. Can they direct their vocalizations? Like,
Speaker 1: can they like that static? I heard on my ears
Speaker 1: and felt on my ears. Was that meant as to
Speaker 1: disoriented because it was disorient Was that meant to have
Speaker 1: that you know, desired outcome? Or or was I just
Speaker 1: simply because there are many of these beings out there,
Speaker 1: you will hear multiple vocal individual multiple signatures. It's weird.
Speaker 1: But I never saw any I never saw a thing
Speaker 1: that not I shine. I did, never saw a being,
Speaker 1: nothing moving. But the audio picked up a lot enough
Speaker 1: to to really mess mess it up.
Speaker 2: Well, there is that one audio recording that you sent
Speaker 2: me that you have labeled as an e VP whenever
Speaker 2: a Small Town Monsters project, I guess was going on,
Speaker 2: and oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is right after uh you hear that tree flock?
Speaker 2: It's like I listened to it, and then I listened
Speaker 2: to it again, and I was like, what is he
Speaker 2: talking about? I don't hear any EVP. And I look
Speaker 2: at the title and like, as I'm looking at the title,
Speaker 2: I'm playing it back a third time and I hear
Speaker 2: the tree flocks. Whatever that means it was so clear
Speaker 2: it sounded like somebody standing there. But you you can
Speaker 2: obviously listen to it and you know that, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: not one of the people that was there talking.
Speaker 1: Nope, done at all. And we didn't see a thing.
Speaker 1: We did not. We were twenty five feet away, ish
Speaker 1: sayta goodbyes. And it was after Actually, because I have
Speaker 1: a you've heard people say gunshots that you know they
Speaker 1: hear this gun shot so that they can't they can
Speaker 1: make sounds either like gunshot. So I played that, and
Speaker 1: I believe it's a vocal, and I play it because
Speaker 1: it has other I told you about the micro voices, right,
Speaker 1: the little micro voices singing in the same cadence as
Speaker 1: the gunshot salvo vocals were going on. So the only
Speaker 1: time I've ever played my stuff outdoors in the woods
Speaker 1: where I'm camping was right after that interview at the
Speaker 1: small Town Monster splitge and and I played it. So
Speaker 1: I went back reviewing that night's audio and they were there.
Speaker 1: I got some pretty crazy Actually I stop. I took
Speaker 1: a break from this stuff after I heard some of
Speaker 1: the stuff. I went over that that night's audio and
Speaker 1: I found the elements and there was a present a
Speaker 1: few of these means again, they all sound very different,
Speaker 1: and so with that, I'm like, okay, So I played
Speaker 1: the audio. There's cause and effect. I brought them in.
Speaker 1: Then then it was it was that time that I
Speaker 1: went and reviewed that audio that I had going at
Speaker 1: the vestibule of my tent where we were at the time.
Speaker 1: We were about twenty twenty five feet away, and that
Speaker 1: that's when I discovered that Treeflaw vocal And they're also
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, the verifying vocal elements is speaking very
Speaker 1: esoteric ways and detect a couple of other vocalizations around
Speaker 1: that Treefaw whatever that was. You can also hear that
Speaker 1: treef Laws subject. I presume it was that subject walking
Speaker 1: away because you hear the crisp steps right after you
Speaker 1: hear the truth flaw. Just you know, it's at our
Speaker 1: worldly stuff man and I, you know, we didn't say
Speaker 1: a thing, so that that kind of also supports the
Speaker 1: tausibility of this unseen realm existence.
Speaker 2: You've mentioned a couple of times that you've kind of
Speaker 2: taken breaks here and there. Does some of this stuff
Speaker 2: bother you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, some of it does. The night I captured
Speaker 1: the Hanso footage which I mentioned earlier. There was another
Speaker 1: expression earlier that you know, I used two different recorders.
Speaker 1: I put the lesser recorder at the last structure I
Speaker 1: found on my way back to the car. It was
Speaker 1: looked fresh, it looked maintained, it made perhaps some recent activity,
Speaker 1: and I got within between seven to twenty and eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Eight o'clock is when the other recorder, which is about
Speaker 1: eighty feet away, maybe one hundred that's when that recorder
Speaker 1: was start starting to record on voice activated mode. So
Speaker 1: it never picked up the same vocalization as the last
Speaker 1: mic drop. And that stuff sounds awful. It's only twelve
Speaker 1: to thirteen seconds of audio. But that happened, I presume
Speaker 1: right after I left, because I dropped the recorder. I
Speaker 1: got the GoPro going. As a matter of fact, right
Speaker 1: before I dropped the recorder. You can hear a whistle
Speaker 1: in the background. If you look at the GoPro footage,
Speaker 1: it's a there's a like a weird whistle. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: that sounds like something like that. I don't know any
Speaker 1: bird that does that, not in a way that this
Speaker 1: was expressed. You know, Yeah, I've recorded stuff that does
Speaker 1: truly trouble me that that first initial capture, which you
Speaker 1: can hear on the front page of Michigan Aboriginal dot com,
Speaker 1: it's the actual vocalization following that footage where that subject
Speaker 1: is revealed in the background. It's played right after that
Speaker 1: you can hear some pretty scary stuff. And that was
Speaker 1: right after I left. So their eyes were on me
Speaker 1: and that whistle that it's kind of a weird whistle,
Speaker 1: but that sort of tone and cadence, they were there.
Speaker 1: Their eyes were on me, and I could feel it
Speaker 1: at the time. I could feel it. It's really I
Speaker 1: tell you, man. The first time, when I was in
Speaker 1: the in the middle, I was approaching this little glade area,
Speaker 1: you know, sparse trees and some grass was growing, and
Speaker 1: that's actually right next to where I captured the Hanso footage.
Speaker 1: Later that night, I was feeling it. I was feeling
Speaker 1: eyes on me, and they're they're out there, They're ever present.
Speaker 1: And I listened to these people thinking that, you know,
Speaker 1: they're under instruction, spots messing with this. I kind of
Speaker 1: believe that. And if they are under instruction, they're they're
Speaker 1: obedient most of the time, but they will mess with
Speaker 1: you like that. Little one who woke me up, you know,
Speaker 1: Ego port sEH. But he always says that they're pranksters.
Speaker 1: They will prank you, they'll mess with you. And I
Speaker 1: think you know that experience I had October twenty first,
Speaker 1: twenty ninighteen. Maybe I was the only entertainment in the woods. Uh.
Speaker 1: They scared me plenty, I really thought, Matthew. I honestly
Speaker 1: thought when I heard that teach it you hot and
Speaker 1: that big boom, and and having the epiphany that you, okay,
Speaker 1: this is actually happening. You are going through this right now,
Speaker 1: I thought, any moment now, I'm going to die. I
Speaker 1: thought that some sort of being was going to come
Speaker 1: out from the darkness and just you know, unlive disappeared me. Yeah, unlived.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And the feeling I had, Matt was that
Speaker 1: I was being judged. That's that's how I felt, because
Speaker 1: you realize in an instant you're in the midst of
Speaker 1: something so much bigger than you are, not only in
Speaker 1: physical size, but and just their very existence. And these
Speaker 1: beings could live. I mean, if they are corporeal beings,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I saw one of those that night,
Speaker 1: maybe they are all spirit I don't know I'm I'm
Speaker 1: in line with the blood and blood and you know,
Speaker 1: qush blood caam. But I'm also in line with those
Speaker 1: that believe there's something more spiritual or supernatural to these beings.
Speaker 1: It's just part of their nature. Uh, they like us,
Speaker 1: were created. That's my belief. My'm formerly atheist. You know,
Speaker 1: I was influenced by the writings of an Ran and
Speaker 1: Nietzsche in my youth, and you know, in my youthful arrogance,
Speaker 1: I bought him to their atheism and and but you
Speaker 1: know I had it all figured out, the new experience
Speaker 1: of level. If you asked me earlier, if I I
Speaker 1: experienced anything supernatural, I have in a in a church.
Speaker 1: This was I got a call one morning, I think
Speaker 1: it was a Tuesday, of all things. I was working
Speaker 1: from home and I got a call for him buddy.
Speaker 1: He said, sorry, didn't tell you, but Duck's dad died
Speaker 1: last week. His funerals today. So I dropped what I
Speaker 1: was doing, Uh breast a pair of pants, hair shirt,
Speaker 1: and uh went off. And I was a little late.
Speaker 1: I was sitting in the back of the service next
Speaker 1: to my buddy, who would called me this is out
Speaker 1: in the canton Plymouth Canton area, and wild that the
Speaker 1: priest this is a Catholic to I'm not a Catholic.
Speaker 1: This priest was had his incense and he was going
Speaker 1: around and doing his ritual. You know, Christ is born.
Speaker 1: He was risen, he will come again and an app
Speaker 1: call him that parition if you will. But it was
Speaker 1: a shadow initially, I think it was a pre shadow.
Speaker 1: I noticed the shadow on the back wall, which is
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty feet beyond the priest, and he was doing
Speaker 1: his thing, and the shadow kind of started moving to
Speaker 1: the left and right, which caught my attention. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what's corn I'm an artistic photographer, and it just caught
Speaker 1: my attention. There was this play of light, but you
Speaker 1: know what, there was no light in front of the
Speaker 1: priest to cast such a shadow. It was weird. But
Speaker 1: it went away and moments later it came back. Not
Speaker 1: only did he go left and right, this time it
Speaker 1: also got larger and smaller again. It's like a shadow
Speaker 1: on the back wall, but it had this nah life
Speaker 1: to it, if you want this energy to it. And
Speaker 1: then it went away and moments later it came back again.
Speaker 1: Not only did it move left and right, it larger
Speaker 1: and smaller, but it had this beautiful energy about it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, man, you're good.
Speaker 1: This happens sometimes. I told this that I've not welled up.
Speaker 1: But it was so profound the energy it had, and
Speaker 1: it was as if the Holy Spirit was there to
Speaker 1: welcome Chuck's dad and to the Kingdom of happened. It
Speaker 1: was just it was a true beautiful experience. But at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, that's how that's me looking back
Speaker 1: on it. At the time, I was dumbound. I was
Speaker 1: like kind of like an adult in the back, scratching
Speaker 1: his head, you know, and drewing, maybe wondering what the
Speaker 1: hell this thing is. But it had it had life.
Speaker 1: It was a play of light. Now, as an artistic photographer,
Speaker 1: I if I were to recreate those women, the side
Speaker 1: to side and the larger, smaller that light source, if
Speaker 1: I were to recreate it, that light source would have
Speaker 1: had to have been in front of the priest, and
Speaker 1: I would have placed it where Chuck's father's casket was. Wow,
Speaker 1: and that light source would have been moving to and
Speaker 1: fro in the side to side, And you look at
Speaker 1: the top of the true and fro on the side
Speaker 1: to side. That is the shape of the Cross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's my interpretation. That was absolutely and my faith
Speaker 1: had already been sealed from you know, a long road
Speaker 1: or recovered from being an atheist. I had accepted Jesus
Speaker 1: since my Lord and Savor. It wasn't like I needed
Speaker 1: any reminders or any convincing. I had accepted on blind faith.
Speaker 1: And what I wouldness that it was truly a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to addict it, or does it? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it does. I think it does. I
Speaker 2: think it plays into the part where you felt like
Speaker 2: you were being and I think it plays into why
Speaker 2: you've been allowed to find and capture these moments.
Speaker 1: I hope. So I've prayed on it throughout and I've
Speaker 1: said it before my prayers I have been exceeded one thousandfold,
Speaker 1: and in that light that this is God given, I
Speaker 1: need to let people know that this existence is real,
Speaker 1: that the narratives of the Old Testament, the supernatural elements
Speaker 1: are real, and that this bigfoot phenomenon is very real,
Speaker 1: very very real.
Speaker 2: Well, I know people are gonna want to want to
Speaker 2: check this stuff out. Tell them where they can find it.
Speaker 1: Well, simply Michigan Aboriginal dot com or on Facebook or YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's Michigan Aboriginal Project. I recently purchased another url, Michigan Angelic,
Speaker 1: so I do have enough audio direct audio evidence to
Speaker 1: plausibly support the narrative that these beings maybe of an
Speaker 1: angelic realm. So I've got Michigan Angelic. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with that. I just bought it
Speaker 1: last week and haven't really done anything much at all
Speaker 1: for that, But I do believe the mysteries of the
Speaker 1: universe are at play here. I'm just I'm grateful for
Speaker 1: my journey. I'm grateful for you for inviting me on
Speaker 1: your show and opportunity to reach your audience. I'm just
Speaker 1: here to share my journey and hopefully maybe I'm an
Speaker 1: artist as well. I created all my own little logos,
Speaker 1: and if a kind soul out there cares to buy
Speaker 1: a hoodie or a T shirt, I'd be grateful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I'll put a link to your page
Speaker 2: in the description of the show so people can easily
Speaker 2: check it out.
Speaker 1: I believe that my life or my work will have
Speaker 1: a life after I'm gone, and I'm grateful for you
Speaker 1: and and and folks like you who are curious enough
Speaker 1: to give me, you know, give me the stage. It's
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. So this is real, it says Reels, I
Speaker 1: I never thought possible.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Bigfoot, dog Man or something else you
Speaker 2: can't explain? You'd like to share your story with everyone else,
Speaker 2: Email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
Speaker 2: out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 2: links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need,
Speaker 2: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.