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Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome back to the podcast.

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Is at w BO welterweight world champion Brian Norman. Brian,

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thank you for doing this. We spoke before your first

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title defense. Now you're getting ready to make your second

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title defense a little bit of a different situation. You're

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heading to Tokyo, Japan to make this defense against Jin

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Sasaki take place on June nineteenth. That will be the

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main event on ESPN Plus. Welcome to the show. Thank

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you very much for doing this, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you Dan and man so I as you

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don't have a problem at all going to Japan. I

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know I heard you just mentioning that, so I feel

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like that matter what, Well, step into that reign. I'm

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back at home again.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that in just a quick second

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before we get to this title defense you have coming up.

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I wanted to go back to the last title defense,

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which took place in March in Las Vegas. That was

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your first defense. Was a really outstanding performance. You scored

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a third round knockout against Derek Quavis, and I just

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wonder if you could give me your sort of review

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of that fight, because it looked to me anyway watching

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it on the screen, that you didn't have any problems

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that you just basically, you know, took maybe around to

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get used to the guy and then just walk through.

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What was your take on how you performed that night?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you pretty much right, pretty much like

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right there would and of course it was still just

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a little bit of ring russ or whatever. But I

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felt right back at home, safty around came out, like

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you just said, just started pushing it, started pushing the pace,

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and shoot, I made him quick. That boy got hit

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with a brick in the face and he said, now

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I ain't trying to do that again.

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Speaker 1: Now we know when you came into that fight. Part

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of the reason it took a while for you to

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get back into the ring, because if you were dealing

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with your own issues in terms of your hand injury

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and the surgery and everything like that, how did that

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hold up? Is everything good with the hand?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I knocked him out with that same hand,

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So you tell.

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Speaker 1: Me, I guess that's Truck's a very good point. What

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I'm very interested in to talk about a little bit

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is that you did have that unfortunate layoffs because of

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the injury. But now here you go. You take care

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of your man, you know, in that first defense against Cuavis.

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Now you're back in the ring just a little less

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than three months later. And I think one of the

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big things in boxing today is some times are top

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fighters uh the activity level is just not there. But you,

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as a young champion, you're getting right back in there

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three months later. I wonder from your perspective, how important

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is the activity for you and your career, And frankly,

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from your opinion about activity for pro fighters in the

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first place, regardless of champion or not champion.

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Speaker 2: I feel like activity is very, very important. Like you

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just said, Earl, been a whole lot of fighters, edges

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fight once maybe twice on a good year, once or

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twice just a year, and then you see they get rusty,

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you know, did down the third something always happened. So

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I feel like, shoot, the more you open that thing,

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the better, and go for yourself with the boxing world,

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the box of life, and then watch your magic happen.

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You have no choice but to stay on the point.

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You have no choice but to keep getting better. A

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lot of fighters keep going up and down, up and down,

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up and down right there.

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Speaker 1: With you that we have to think if you're if

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you're staying that active, also not only you're gonna get sharp,

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but you're gonna you're gonna be mentally focused on what

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you have going on. You're going to be close to

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your fighting weight. Is that also a big part of

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this situation.

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Speaker 2: But you are literally doing exactly what you're supposed to do.

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Just try and head down, take care of yourself. E right,

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go to sleep on time, back in to drop another mixtape,

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which is a fight. Boom, you drop another one the streets,

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look it, Go back home, get back of the laud

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work again. Come back out there, drop another one the streets. Looky.

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That's literally all it is, just keep trying to keep tropping.

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Speaker 1: So now you mentioned and I mentioned that this fight

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you're going to be going to Japan to do this fight.

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You're not only going overseas, You're going to Tasaki's hometown

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to Tokyo, So it's not even like a neutral place overseas,

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but it's going to be in the Lions. Then, as

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they say, I was wondering what went into the decision

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from yourself and your team, your father, and your management

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to take the fight to go seven thousand miles across

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the world to do this fight in his hometown. What

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was the discussion about when it came to that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love I love going to enemy tais or

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hometown country and having everything for them. So you not

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have no excuse for literally anything. We're right here, your backyard,

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your fans, Yo dis and Yo Dad. So it's just

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like then you still show that while you are your

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best self, I'm still better than you.

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Speaker 1: Have you done much international travel to have an idea

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of what you're in store for?

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. But of course in today's age,

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everything is right here in front of you. So I

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did my research Japan. It's really cool, like regarding uh,

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just how to look out there first of all, So

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I like how I look out there. The fan base

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is amazing, real respectful, like real cool. So I feel

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like not gonna be a problem at all.

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Speaker 1: So when you go there, obviously you're gonna go a

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bit ahead of time at the fight. You know you're

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gonna do things like acclimate to the time change which

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is dramatic from the East coast the United States. You're

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gonna deal with the climate. You're gonna deal with whatever

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the food situation is. Have you discussed with the team

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about the type the things you're gonna do, to make

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sure that there's no issues with that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all taking precautions regarding that. Of course, I

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don't want to say too much, but we all taking precautions.

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time thing, we're going out two weeks early just to

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make sure, you know, I get accustomed everything and also

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have the time to see what we're finna be eating

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because you know, of course, different culture, different things out there.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing I'm interested too, You're going to

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go to a place like you're paying, which has so

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much obviously great boxing culture, but just great culture in general.

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There is there any part of this that's fun in games,

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either beforehand or after or is this strictly business all

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the way through?

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Speaker 2: Not this one for the most part. If I'm going

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out for a fight, training camps, far anything like that

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is strictly business. To be real. Only had one real

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deal vacation, which was after my last fight. But besides that,

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whenever I go out, I'm going a mission to go

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do something. Right now, my mission is Jensasaki.

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Speaker 1: So when you fight him, you are still the youngest

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world champion among men boxers in the world at age

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twenty four. He's twenty three. If he happens to score

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the upset and win this fight, he'll become the youngest

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of the active men world champions in boxing. He's known

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as a powerful puncher. He has been on some of

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the ESPN Plus undercards, so American fans, if they tune

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into those events, have gotten a chance to see him

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fight on an in a way undercard. For example, what

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do you know about Jensasaki? What is your scattered report

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in terms of how you prepare for him?

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Speaker 2: Tell you, oh, I prepare for him to look I

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for anybody else, I trained hard. In general. I feel

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like if you yourself are a perfect fighter, you don't

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have to wear about anybody else as long as you

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check that man in the middle of every single day.

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Are you pushing yourself? Are you working on you what

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you're supposed to work on? Working on your weaknesses at

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all time? This is done. J keep checking everything, GoF

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If I have the perfect jail, perfect stamina, perfect power,

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perfect time, and literally perfect everything I can find on

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the inside, I fight on the outside, CounterPunch. Why I

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worry about what the nets man could do? So the

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main thing is just focus on me what I got

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going on. I know Jen is a very very tough competitor,

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and he coming to bring it everything he got. He

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got the fans behind he got the city behind him.

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It's just not enough, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Before you took this fight with Sasaki, there was a

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lot of conversation that they were going to revisit, you know,

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your team as well as Matchum about the drawn Ennis fight,

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which has been talked about quite a bit, was discussed

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before your last fight. Eddie hern is out there talking

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to the various media, YouTube channels, etc. Talking about how

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they've made an offer or they're interested to try to

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do the fight later this year, but that you and

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your team were like, look, we're interested, but we're not

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going to get involved with that before we make this

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title of defense. We're not gonna you know, break your concentration,

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disrespect to your opponent, that sort of thing. What's your

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take on the situation with the potential of this unification

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with NUS at some point soon.

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Speaker 2: First thing, First, I just want to say that they

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I believe they probably said something about two weeks ago.

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just last week. I I don't remember. He said something

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very very recent, so he knew for a fact I

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had this fight going on. That little time period after

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my fight we literally heard nothing. So I won't even

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try to say that he was trying to make the

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fight happen just that quick. He waited for this fight

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to get announced, for this fight to happen, and me

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knowing my mind is set on this fight to try

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to come in and budget's way in. So he's just

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trying to force our hands fear of missing out. You

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can only sign a contract right now before the next fight.

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Why I can't get my fight over it? Then we

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come back to talking, come back to the table like

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they like to say. So I'm not going for anything

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that he got going.

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Speaker 1: On, right And it's not like your fight is six

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months from now. It's coming off.

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Speaker 2: Literally was lunch.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder also if you even think about this

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sort of thing, like, not only are they discussing and

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saying in the in the public about how they were

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trying to supposedly make ns against you in a unification,

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but there also is no secret that they're out there

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trying to make Jeron bout Sennis in a fight against

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TaiMo Lopez. So it's not even like you're the only target.

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I don't know how either one of you would take

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that when you know, even if you say yes, you

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won't even necessarily get the fight.

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Speaker 2: Now, you tell me, are they really dead trying to

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make the fight happen? On one day? They're saying, he

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sent me an offer, but I can only sign it

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before before I even had my next fight that I've

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been in contract for, and then literally a day later

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we find out the entire time they was in negotiations

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with to So it's just like you knew for a

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fact who was a fin signed that contract before my

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next fight. You knew that for effect. So now Ed

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is just trying to once again just flip the whole script.

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Bickie man, Dug, I'm not going for it. I'm a

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grown man. I like throwing hands, and I'm down to

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step and a ring with anybody.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, I don't want to put words

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in your mouth, but go to Japan, take care of

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your business, and when that's done with, you know you

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and your team can get cracking on the next one.

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If it's Endy it's great and if it's somebody else, cool,

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Oh okay, that's good enough. I'm interested also because your

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division has got besides yourself and all the conversation about

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Ennis and everything else, there's been a lot of a

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lot of recent news about the WBC champion, Mario Barrios.

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He is going to be fighting Manny Pacyao, who's going

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to end a four year retirement to challenge for that title.

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He's one of the all time greats, although he's now

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forty six years old. I'm wondering, if you know, and

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four rather youngest champion in boxing, what do you think

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about when you see a living legend like a Manny

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Pacyo decide to end the retirement at forty six to

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come back and fight for a world championship in your

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weight class.

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Speaker 2: Nay, I want to see what else he can do

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and his legendary look career that he have had. We've

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seen he instead on the one to ever beat Keith Thurman,

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mister one time, the man that was beating everybody. He

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was the man that was to wait at one point

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then old man pack Yall even at that time I

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think he probably like forty two, if I'm not mistake.

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Speaker 1: He was actually when they fought, he was forty and

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when he beat the Germany set the record forest fighter

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in boxing history to win a Walter weeight world title.

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Speaker 2: So I just want to see what else can Man

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in Pack y'all do.

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Speaker 1: There's a fight with the winner interest you at some point,

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whether it's Barrios obviously closer to your age, or even

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if it was a many pack yall or a living legend.

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Speaker 2: I mean I want the C belt in general, like

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that's the main built I won't we all know all

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the greats had the WBC. Everybody say that's the one

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to kick. I want to be a part of the legends.

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I want that built as well. If Man in Pack

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y'all wins it, that just make it even better because

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now I got the legend and his whole resume also

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a part of me as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you look around at the rest of the way,

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class and sort of check out the landscape and think

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about the other possibilities. There's been some some fights taking place,

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obviously Nsunified not that long ago. When he beats Stanionis,

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who still seems to be a reputable fighter could certainly

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match up with you. There's Devin Haney that's in the

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way class, even though he's not coming off the greatest performance.

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There's Ryan Garcia who lost to Roly Ramiro, who won

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a secondary title. When you hear all those names, are

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there guys there that interest you also?

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Speaker 2: Down the road, all these guys will fall, every last

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one of them. They all just step into my division.

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It's only so many of us. If y'all not gonna

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fight each other. I know for a fact I'm down

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to fight each and ever last one of y'all. So

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they all will follow in due time.

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Speaker 1: So the question now is as you go to Japan

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the fight to Saki, Like I said earlier, you scored

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the knockout, you basically make waves quit. I know you

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have your your plans to win the fight, but is

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there gonna be another one of those kind of devastating

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performances against Asaki?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't trying it this hard for nothing.

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He not coming the way he comes for nothing. They

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sound like if it'd be in the time, ain't in

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an action over here. So I geting to be a

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whole out of blood shit.

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Speaker 1: You think it's to me that kind of fight. It's

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just a rugged slow festival.

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say rugged because I ain't. I don't

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like getting hit. Like even with the San Sinia fight,

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we was on the inside working. There was a lot

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of blood coming from him.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it wasn't you.

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Speaker 2: So I can go to war if I can still

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be smoothing that thing too. I look up the fighters

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like James Tony as well. He'll make you miss right

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there in your face. So I ain't gonna say rugged,

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but it will be a war.

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Speaker 1: Brian. I wish you good luck in that fight. I

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appreciate you doing this and safe travels to Japan.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, boss man.