Speaker 1: Clearing this election. Dot'll take Tam Harris five the talk
Speaker 1: station ATO six.
Speaker 2: If you have Karosen talk station. I'm very happy Wednesday,
Speaker 2: see me even extra special happyings by to the debate
Speaker 2: last night. My disappointment, Congressman Thomas Massey, the best hour
Speaker 2: of radio. From my perspective, we hear from you, and
Speaker 2: then we could hear from Judge Ennitapolotan at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the aar. Welcome back, Congressman Massi. It's always a
Speaker 2: pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 1: It's great to be back, but it's not great to
Speaker 1: be back in the swamp. But after seven weeks of recess,
Speaker 1: I think it was time for Congress to get back.
Speaker 2: To work seven weeks. Judge Record just got back from
Speaker 2: one week of vacation, the first vacation he's taken in
Speaker 2: twenty years, I think, And that's like seven weeks.
Speaker 1: I know what, every time you go on vacation, Brian,
Speaker 1: he's still the producer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I take my vacation days because you
Speaker 2: know my old the old adage, smoke him. If you
Speaker 2: got him, you're not going to be able to keep
Speaker 2: them if you don't use them up. Let us before
Speaker 2: we dive on it. I know you didn't watch the
Speaker 2: whole debate last and you can get your impressions on
Speaker 2: what you did see, but first I just want to observe.
Speaker 2: It is nine to eleven, and I of course remember
Speaker 2: it like it was yesterday, and the burning image in
Speaker 2: my mind from that day and something that really truly
Speaker 2: changed my entire outlook on life was the falling man,
Speaker 2: the guy that had to jump out of a window
Speaker 2: because he was either going to be burned alive or
Speaker 2: jump out of a window. And I thought of, and
Speaker 2: I have used that reflection moment if I was standing
Speaker 2: there and I think about behind me as a raging inferno,
Speaker 2: and in front of me is ninety floors of space
Speaker 2: before I hit the ground, and your best option is
Speaker 2: to jump. What's going through your mind before you make
Speaker 2: that leap? Are you worried about what your neighbor's sexuality is?
Speaker 2: Are you worried about anything that's irrelevant to our day
Speaker 2: to day lives that we complain and moan about. No,
Speaker 2: you're probably thinking, I wish I spent more time with
Speaker 2: my family, or praying to God, or looking something broader
Speaker 2: than just you know, the petty crap that we always
Speaker 2: complain about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it brings it all in perspective. And I know
Speaker 1: we've mourned the loss of those people in the first responders,
Speaker 1: But don't forget there are still families of the victims
Speaker 1: of that who are who are still mourning. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: and there's there's one woman in particular that I've been
Speaker 1: trying to help. You know, Saudi Arabia was complicit in that,
Speaker 1: either knowingly or unknowingly. Officials from Saudi Arabia assisted those hijackers,
Speaker 1: and they should be the the families of the victims
Speaker 1: should be able to litigate this in court and sue
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, but they have been tied up. We finally
Speaker 1: got the ability. This was when Obama was president. We
Speaker 1: more or less forced him to give give those family
Speaker 1: ability to sue Saudi Arabia. But then it's it's hit
Speaker 1: some another stub in court. But don't forget there are
Speaker 1: there our wives and husbands who lost their loved ones
Speaker 1: who are still walking on this planet still morning.
Speaker 2: And what is the in fact, if I may be
Speaker 2: so bold as to asking, will put you on the spot,
Speaker 2: But what prevents them or what is currently the stumbling block?
Speaker 2: Because you know, if some incident happened here and people
Speaker 2: were killed wrongfully or intentionally, you can go to court
Speaker 2: and sue them for damages and lost consortium or whatever else.
Speaker 1: What's holding it up, I'm not sure what's holding it
Speaker 1: up now, but there was like a legal prohibition on
Speaker 1: it at one point. But what's if you dug down
Speaker 1: in it. What's probably really holding it up is foreign relations,
Speaker 1: foreign affairs, the fact that America is trying to keep
Speaker 1: a good relationship with Saudi Arabia, at least at the
Speaker 1: State Department. That's probably the thing that's holding it up.
Speaker 1: But it shouldn't be. No, you should be able to
Speaker 1: get justice if whether somebody knowingly or unknowingly was complicit
Speaker 1: in those deaths, then they are still liable. And this
Speaker 1: includes the government of Saudi Arabia. I agree.
Speaker 2: And if they have the facts and evidence and can
Speaker 2: prove it in court, they should have their right to
Speaker 2: do so. So it would be a very interesting thing
Speaker 2: to behold just hearing the evidence. And along those lines.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the other thing. Well, the late Representative Walter
Speaker 1: Jones from North Carolina, who was one of my best
Speaker 1: friends up here. He and I fought to get the
Speaker 1: nine to eleven the report unredacted. There were several pages
Speaker 1: that were reacted that showed that Saudi Arabia was complicit,
Speaker 1: and we achieved that we were successful in doing that.
Speaker 1: And so it's when you say, can they prove it
Speaker 1: in a court of law? Congress has already proven it.
Speaker 2: Wow, well, it would be nice for them to have
Speaker 2: justice anyway, Congress, Amassy, your reaction to what of the
Speaker 2: debate you saw? Joe told me in advance that you
Speaker 2: had not, you know, sat there throughout the whole thing
Speaker 2: like I did, screaming almost incessantly during the entire debates.
Speaker 1: No, I kept my sanity by not watching most of it.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it changed anybody's mind. That's
Speaker 1: my takeaway. If you were for Trump before it, you
Speaker 1: were for Trump after it. And if you were for
Speaker 1: Camala before it, you were for her after it. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it really moved too many independents. And
Speaker 1: for the people who are saying, why why didn't Congress
Speaker 1: and Massy watch this debate? Doesn't he care? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I've got so much stuff on my plate. I am
Speaker 1: chairing a hearing today on pharmacy benefit managers. Oh geez,
Speaker 1: yeahba so confusing, But they are responsible. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're going to find out in the hearing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say anything before we have the hearing, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe they are responsible for high
Speaker 1: drug prices, when in fact they were established to lower
Speaker 1: drug prices.
Speaker 2: Things don't always turn out the way you'll want it
Speaker 2: when you have for a government program. They're an unnecessary
Speaker 2: layer of bureaucracy that adds tremendous costs through the process.
Speaker 1: They're like that contractor. You know, when a school is built.
Speaker 1: There's the contractor, the main contractor that's building the school,
Speaker 1: and then they subcontract out electrical and you know, construction
Speaker 1: parts of it. But then there's another contractor between the
Speaker 1: main contractor and the government that's just taken a cut
Speaker 1: almost all the time. And that's kind of what it's
Speaker 1: starting to look like these PBMs are. And the other
Speaker 1: problem we have. By the way I'm doing this is
Speaker 1: part of my Anti trust subcommittee. So I chair the
Speaker 1: Subcommittee of Judiciary that's in charge of antitrust and the
Speaker 1: regulatory reform and the administrative state. And this falls under
Speaker 1: could fall under anti trust because the way they do
Speaker 1: pricing too. There's kickbacks. They literally call them kickbacks, but
Speaker 1: Congress made it legal for them to do kickbacks with
Speaker 1: the argument that if we can do kickbacks, then we
Speaker 1: can save some money. The other thing is they're verticalized.
Speaker 1: CVS has its own PBM, and then if you're a
Speaker 1: small mom and pop pharmacy, you have to go through
Speaker 1: these PBMs that are owned by your competition. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then the competition sets all these rules on how the
Speaker 1: small pharmacies can operate and what prices they have to charge.
Speaker 1: It's it's really kind of crazy, but we're and it's
Speaker 1: a very confusing topic. And I'm gonna have four witnesses
Speaker 1: today and it's very unique. I got the Democrat ranking
Speaker 1: member Luke Curea from California. He and I agreed on
Speaker 1: all four witnesses. So it's not like there's a Democrat
Speaker 1: witness and a Republican witness and we're gonna have one
Speaker 1: person who's four PBMs. We've got to have one person
Speaker 1: who's against PBMs, and we're gonna have a couple who
Speaker 1: are like, well, they they need to be fixed, but
Speaker 1: don't don't throw them out. Kind of arguments.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I know you are the man for
Speaker 2: the job on that one.
Speaker 1: Congress and Massy, they and we may have to we
Speaker 1: may have to get into the c R after the hour,
Speaker 1: but I'm holding yeah, I'm keeping that one after the break.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm staring at that topic. And I know you
Speaker 2: have a lot to say about and the SAVE provision
Speaker 2: that's in there dealing with illegals having an obligation to
Speaker 2: or well being able to vote, which I love that
Speaker 2: SAVE provision, and I think perhaps perhaps it is designed
Speaker 2: to get certain elected officials to reveal their true colors
Speaker 2: about how they feel about the potential for illegal immigrants
Speaker 2: voting in federal elections. So whether or not it goes through, ultimately,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a show of hands on the
Speaker 2: floor to see where people stand on that one. We
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're listening.
Speaker 2: If you're listening right now, Congress from Thomas Massy on
Speaker 2: the program, I'm getting ready to talk about the continuing
Speaker 2: Resolution and ultimately an omnibus spending bill, not dealing with
Speaker 2: the twelve appropriations bills that you're supposed to deal with right, Congressman,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Like Congress being surprised about the end of the fiscal
Speaker 1: year being September thirtieth. It's like a florist being surprised
Speaker 1: by Valentine's Day. Like, I'm sorry, guys, this happens every year.
Speaker 1: We had so much time to get ready for this,
Speaker 1: and now the twelve separate bills have not been passed.
Speaker 1: We haven't sent them to the Senate, so we've got
Speaker 1: no argument to send to give to the Senate. They're
Speaker 1: going to do a cr which stands for continuing resolution,
Speaker 1: which is a cut copy paste of the horrible omnibus
Speaker 1: that was passed this winter this past winter, and they're
Speaker 1: doing nothing to cut spending. Now. The sweetener to get
Speaker 1: Republicans to vote to just redo everything we did last
Speaker 1: year and kick the can down the road is something
Speaker 1: called the Save Act, which is a great bill, and
Speaker 1: it puts the Democrats really in the crosshairs because it's
Speaker 1: a Mike Lee bill supported by Chip Roy over here,
Speaker 1: two of my best friends. And I hate this because
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of them tactically. You know,
Speaker 1: on policy we agree one hundred percent, but on tactics
Speaker 1: we are in disagreement on this. They say we should
Speaker 1: attach the Save Act to the CR. So the CR
Speaker 1: remembers twelve separate bills, so now we're going to make
Speaker 1: it thirteen bills. So we're going to attach the Save
Speaker 1: Act to the CR, and then every Republican should vote
Speaker 1: for that and then send it to the Senate. And
Speaker 1: then the Senate will finally have to take up the
Speaker 1: Save Act, and it would do two things. Number One,
Speaker 1: Democrats would have to vote to shut down the government
Speaker 1: over here in the House because they want illegals to
Speaker 1: be able to vote. It puts them in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: And then in the Senate, Chuck Schumer would have to
Speaker 1: do the same thing. He would have to refuse to
Speaker 1: bring up the bill because he wants illegals to vote,
Speaker 1: and then the government would shut down. Now here's the
Speaker 1: problem with that strategy. Our conference Republicans, particularly Mike Johnson,
Speaker 1: our speaker, is not going to shut down the government.
Speaker 1: This is an election year. We are just weeks away
Speaker 1: from the election. There is not going to be a
Speaker 1: government shutdown. There might be one of the last two
Speaker 1: or three hours, okay, Friday night or Saturday night, whenever
Speaker 1: that day is, but there ain't going to be a
Speaker 1: government shutdown, and there ain't going to be a Save Act.
Speaker 1: And then here's the other thing. If you want to
Speaker 1: put Democrats on record, we already voted on the Save Act.
Speaker 1: We did that this summer, and five Democrats decided not
Speaker 1: to walk the plank. Every Democrat voted to let illegals
Speaker 1: vote in an election except for five. So that's the
Speaker 1: problem with the strategy. The other problem with the strategy
Speaker 1: is eventually you're just going to get clean CR That's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and spending is going to go
Speaker 1: on unabated. Here's the other problem with it. The CR
Speaker 1: that Mike Johnson has proposed is a six month r
Speaker 1: They're saying, well, let's get to March and hopefully Trump
Speaker 1: wins the election, we take the Senate and keep the House,
Speaker 1: we win the trifecta, and this AD buys us enough
Speaker 1: time to get past the lame duck session. Should we,
Speaker 1: you know, run the trifecta in November, which is it's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing because I don't I definitely don't
Speaker 1: want to be sitting here.
Speaker 2: I'm tracked, Christmas, I'm tracking where you're going. Go ahead, okay,
Speaker 2: put on the cake.
Speaker 1: Okay, there is a provision okay, and it would the
Speaker 1: CR ends on March thirtieth. I got a provision put
Speaker 1: into law last year as a condition of the debt
Speaker 1: limit that says, if you do a CR that goes
Speaker 1: past April thirtieth, there's a one percent cut to everything.
Speaker 1: Every bit of government gets cut one percent if you
Speaker 1: take a CR past April thirtieth. That is, that is
Speaker 1: in law. Joe Biden signed that in order to get
Speaker 1: the debt limit increased, and it's still operable. They Mike
Speaker 1: Johnson didn't use it last year. He could have used
Speaker 1: it last year. Okay, he's a new speaker. He's getting
Speaker 1: these legs underneath of him. But now he's had a
Speaker 1: full year to think about this. All we need to do.
Speaker 1: This is for everybody who's okay, Massy, you're trying to
Speaker 1: blow up this CR. What is your plan? What is
Speaker 1: your plan? Massy? Well, my plan I've hatched for ten
Speaker 1: years and actually got it implemented. It is sitting in
Speaker 1: law in statute. My plan, and it's like t ball.
Speaker 1: All you've got. All Republicans got to do is walk
Speaker 1: up to the plate and just hit that ball off
Speaker 1: the tee because if they do a one year CR.
Speaker 1: If Mike Johnson would put a one year CR on
Speaker 1: the floor, clean CR, what happens is it sets up
Speaker 1: a one percent cut on April thirtieth. The Democrats cannot
Speaker 1: complain about because Joe Biden signed it into law a
Speaker 1: year ago. I'm trying to play chess here with a
Speaker 1: bunch of people who are chewing on the checkers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if they could just see that's what that's the
Speaker 1: way this works. Now, when you get to April thirtieth,
Speaker 1: what do you have on your hands? If you've done
Speaker 1: a one year CR, You've got a fight, not over
Speaker 1: a shutdown. And by the way, we never win fights
Speaker 1: over shutdowns. I'm okay shutting down the government, but there's
Speaker 1: some republic who are worried about their election and they
Speaker 1: you know, and it is. It is an inconvenience on
Speaker 1: people in the military and air traffic controllers. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's not a fight worth having, but it
Speaker 1: is inconvenient. Instead of having that fight, what the fight
Speaker 1: you would have in April thirtieth is a fight over
Speaker 1: whether we're going to do the twelve separate bills or
Speaker 1: whether We're going to take a one percent cut. It's
Speaker 1: a cut down fight, not a shutdown fight exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's a fight you can win. You can go back
Speaker 1: to your district and message it. We keep every Republican
Speaker 1: on the team instead of having defectors, and we can
Speaker 1: win that fight, and Mike Johnson can trade that one
Speaker 1: percent cut for something else. Okay, maybe at that point
Speaker 1: we could actually get the Save Act or something else.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Save Act. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: another I stood up in our GOP conference yesterday. This
Speaker 1: is a private meeting, and I told the speaker. I
Speaker 1: looked him in the eye. You get one minute at
Speaker 1: the microphone. I said, your plan has fair retail levels
Speaker 1: of unbelievability. Right now, there is. And I asked him
Speaker 1: to address these two things. Number One, I said, you're
Speaker 1: not going to shut down the government. You're not even
Speaker 1: going to threaten a shut down of the government. So
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are laughing that we think
Speaker 1: we're going to get the Save Act on this. Number two,
Speaker 1: this will go all the way to This fight will
Speaker 1: go all the way to October first. The election is
Speaker 1: November fifth. Do you think a law is going to
Speaker 1: go into place on October first and effect an election
Speaker 1: on November fifth. Absolutely not, absolutely not, because number one,
Speaker 1: by October first, in these swing states, a lot of
Speaker 1: the Democrats will have already voted, exactly. And also in
Speaker 1: almost every state, I believe everybody who's going to vote
Speaker 1: on November fifth is already registered to vote pretty much
Speaker 1: by October first, So you're not stopping anybody from getting
Speaker 1: registered to vote with the Save Act, it's and the courts,
Speaker 1: like with every law, they'll be an injunction. They'll say
Speaker 1: it's voter suppression. Oh you know, you're you're making people
Speaker 1: afraid to go vote. So this is a constitutional issue,
Speaker 1: and they'll get one injunction in one, you know, a circuit.
Speaker 2: The court system drags its heels, it'll be be delayed
Speaker 2: for a while, the outcome will be inevitable.
Speaker 1: It'll be going in the law.
Speaker 2: And it's not a problem because it's already illegal for immigrants,
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants to vote in federal elections. But I get
Speaker 2: your point real quick. Judge of Paula Kina is listening,
Speaker 2: and he's waiting in the wing so he can say
Speaker 2: hello hello to him as we part company. Yes, what
Speaker 2: is the response in that room, that private meeting, when
Speaker 2: you point out your strategy, why wouldn't everyone just go, brilliant,
Speaker 2: let's just do it.
Speaker 1: Three quarters that the Republicans do say that, and a
Speaker 1: quarter who are un asked, and Foreign Affairs that's House
Speaker 1: Armed Services to be in Foreign Affairs are worried about
Speaker 1: a one percent cut to the military. This is our
Speaker 1: Achilles heel. And so what Republicans and Democrats do instead
Speaker 1: of saying, well, I'll cut one percent from my priorities
Speaker 1: if you cut one percent from your priorities in order
Speaker 1: to save this country, they get together and say I'll
Speaker 1: increase mine five percent and let you increase yours by
Speaker 1: five percent. They've got a deal. And so it's it.
Speaker 1: And this what I had a private conversation with the
Speaker 1: Speaker and he just told me the House Armed Services
Speaker 1: Committees is not going to let me do this. And
Speaker 1: I said, look, you don't have two hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: votes for anything here in the Republican conference. Anything that
Speaker 1: passes in the House and Senate's got to have Democrats
Speaker 1: and Republicans. But if you put a one year clean
Speaker 1: cr on the floor, Democrats can't vote against that and
Speaker 1: shut down the government and if they if they bally
Speaker 1: ache about the one percent cut, you know, if he
Speaker 1: puts a one year CR on the floor, they can't
Speaker 1: not vote against him. And they also can't demagogue that
Speaker 1: one percent cut that happens on April thirtieth. We call
Speaker 1: it the Massi Plan here in Congress because Joe Biden
Speaker 1: signed that into law.
Speaker 2: I like your strategy, and that's why you're so brilliant,
Speaker 2: why we love you so much. And I know the
Speaker 2: Judge Paul Tanna loves you as well. He'll probably say
Speaker 2: so when we get back that comes.
Speaker 1: I love the judge, but you tell him.
Speaker 2: He just told him. He's listening, right Congress and Massy,
Speaker 2: you always have a welcome was fired here in the
Speaker 2: fifty five care see morning ship. Thanks for doing what
Speaker 2: you do and if you have a brilliant strategy, I
Speaker 2: just wish more people would lock arms with you and
Speaker 2: move forward with it. Sure could use a one percent cut,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. We'll talk soon, my friends. Stay well.
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