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<v Speaker 1>Clearing this election. Dot'll take Tam Harris five the talk

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<v Speaker 1>station ATO six.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have Karosen talk station. I'm very happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>see me even extra special happyings by to the debate

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<v Speaker 2>last night. My disappointment, Congressman Thomas Massey, the best hour

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<v Speaker 2>of radio. From my perspective, we hear from you, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we could hear from Judge Ennitapolotan at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the aar. Welcome back, Congressman Massi. It's always a

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure having you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to be back, but it's not great to

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<v Speaker 1>be back in the swamp. But after seven weeks of recess,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was time for Congress to get back.

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<v Speaker 2>To work seven weeks. Judge Record just got back from

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<v Speaker 2>one week of vacation, the first vacation he's taken in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, I think, And that's like seven weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what, every time you go on vacation, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still the producer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely. I take my vacation days because you

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<v Speaker 2>know my old the old adage, smoke him. If you

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<v Speaker 2>got him, you're not going to be able to keep

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<v Speaker 2>them if you don't use them up. Let us before

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<v Speaker 2>we dive on it. I know you didn't watch the

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<v Speaker 2>whole debate last and you can get your impressions on

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<v Speaker 2>what you did see, but first I just want to observe.

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<v Speaker 2>It is nine to eleven, and I of course remember

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<v Speaker 2>it like it was yesterday, and the burning image in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind from that day and something that really truly

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<v Speaker 2>changed my entire outlook on life was the falling man,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that had to jump out of a window

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<v Speaker 2>because he was either going to be burned alive or

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<v Speaker 2>jump out of a window. And I thought of, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have used that reflection moment if I was standing

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<v Speaker 2>there and I think about behind me as a raging inferno,

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<v Speaker 2>and in front of me is ninety floors of space

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<v Speaker 2>before I hit the ground, and your best option is

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<v Speaker 2>to jump. What's going through your mind before you make

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<v Speaker 2>that leap? Are you worried about what your neighbor's sexuality is?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you worried about anything that's irrelevant to our day

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<v Speaker 2>to day lives that we complain and moan about. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably thinking, I wish I spent more time with

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<v Speaker 2>my family, or praying to God, or looking something broader

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<v Speaker 2>than just you know, the petty crap that we always

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<v Speaker 2>complain about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it brings it all in perspective. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>we've mourned the loss of those people in the first responders,

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<v Speaker 1>But don't forget there are still families of the victims

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<v Speaker 1>of that who are who are still mourning. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's there's one woman in particular that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to help. You know, Saudi Arabia was complicit in that,

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<v Speaker 1>either knowingly or unknowingly. Officials from Saudi Arabia assisted those hijackers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they should be the the families of the victims

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to litigate this in court and sue

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia, but they have been tied up. We finally

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<v Speaker 1>got the ability. This was when Obama was president. We

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<v Speaker 1>more or less forced him to give give those family

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<v Speaker 1>ability to sue Saudi Arabia. But then it's it's hit

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<v Speaker 1>some another stub in court. But don't forget there are

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<v Speaker 1>there our wives and husbands who lost their loved ones

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<v Speaker 1>who are still walking on this planet still morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is the in fact, if I may be

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<v Speaker 2>so bold as to asking, will put you on the spot,

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<v Speaker 2>But what prevents them or what is currently the stumbling block?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, if some incident happened here and people

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<v Speaker 2>were killed wrongfully or intentionally, you can go to court

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<v Speaker 2>and sue them for damages and lost consortium or whatever else.

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<v Speaker 1>What's holding it up, I'm not sure what's holding it

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<v Speaker 1>up now, but there was like a legal prohibition on

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<v Speaker 1>it at one point. But what's if you dug down

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<v Speaker 1>in it. What's probably really holding it up is foreign relations,

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<v Speaker 1>foreign affairs, the fact that America is trying to keep

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<v Speaker 1>a good relationship with Saudi Arabia, at least at the

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<v Speaker 1>State Department. That's probably the thing that's holding it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But it shouldn't be. No, you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get justice if whether somebody knowingly or unknowingly was complicit

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<v Speaker 1>in those deaths, then they are still liable. And this

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<v Speaker 1>includes the government of Saudi Arabia. I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they have the facts and evidence and can

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<v Speaker 2>prove it in court, they should have their right to

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<v Speaker 2>do so. So it would be a very interesting thing

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<v Speaker 2>to behold just hearing the evidence. And along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the other thing. Well, the late Representative Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Jones from North Carolina, who was one of my best

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<v Speaker 1>friends up here. He and I fought to get the

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven the report unredacted. There were several pages

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<v Speaker 1>that were reacted that showed that Saudi Arabia was complicit,

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<v Speaker 1>and we achieved that we were successful in doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's when you say, can they prove it

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<v Speaker 1>in a court of law? Congress has already proven it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, well, it would be nice for them to have

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<v Speaker 2>justice anyway, Congress, Amassy, your reaction to what of the

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<v Speaker 2>debate you saw? Joe told me in advance that you

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<v Speaker 2>had not, you know, sat there throughout the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>like I did, screaming almost incessantly during the entire debates.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I kept my sanity by not watching most of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't think it changed anybody's mind. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my takeaway. If you were for Trump before it, you

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<v Speaker 1>were for Trump after it. And if you were for

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<v Speaker 1>Camala before it, you were for her after it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it really moved too many independents. And

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<v Speaker 1>for the people who are saying, why why didn't Congress

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<v Speaker 1>and Massy watch this debate? Doesn't he care? Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got so much stuff on my plate. I am

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<v Speaker 1>chairing a hearing today on pharmacy benefit managers. Oh geez,

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<v Speaker 1>yeahba so confusing, But they are responsible. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to find out in the hearing. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to say anything before we have the hearing, but

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people believe they are responsible for high

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<v Speaker 1>drug prices, when in fact they were established to lower

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<v Speaker 1>drug prices.

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<v Speaker 2>Things don't always turn out the way you'll want it

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<v Speaker 2>when you have for a government program. They're an unnecessary

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<v Speaker 2>layer of bureaucracy that adds tremendous costs through the process.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like that contractor. You know, when a school is built.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the contractor, the main contractor that's building the school,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they subcontract out electrical and you know, construction

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<v Speaker 1>parts of it. But then there's another contractor between the

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<v Speaker 1>main contractor and the government that's just taken a cut

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<v Speaker 1>almost all the time. And that's kind of what it's

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<v Speaker 1>starting to look like these PBMs are. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>problem we have. By the way I'm doing this is

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<v Speaker 1>part of my Anti trust subcommittee. So I chair the

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<v Speaker 1>Subcommittee of Judiciary that's in charge of antitrust and the

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<v Speaker 1>regulatory reform and the administrative state. And this falls under

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<v Speaker 1>could fall under anti trust because the way they do

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<v Speaker 1>pricing too. There's kickbacks. They literally call them kickbacks, but

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<v Speaker 1>Congress made it legal for them to do kickbacks with

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<v Speaker 1>the argument that if we can do kickbacks, then we

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<v Speaker 1>can save some money. The other thing is they're verticalized.

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<v Speaker 1>CVS has its own PBM, and then if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>small mom and pop pharmacy, you have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>these PBMs that are owned by your competition. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the competition sets all these rules on how the

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<v Speaker 1>small pharmacies can operate and what prices they have to charge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's really kind of crazy, but we're and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very confusing topic. And I'm gonna have four witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>today and it's very unique. I got the Democrat ranking

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<v Speaker 1>member Luke Curea from California. He and I agreed on

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<v Speaker 1>all four witnesses. So it's not like there's a Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>witness and a Republican witness and we're gonna have one

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<v Speaker 1>person who's four PBMs. We've got to have one person

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<v Speaker 1>who's against PBMs, and we're gonna have a couple who

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<v Speaker 1>are like, well, they they need to be fixed, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't throw them out. Kind of arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I know you are the man for

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<v Speaker 2>the job on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Congress and Massy, they and we may have to we

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<v Speaker 1>may have to get into the c R after the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm holding yeah, I'm keeping that one after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm staring at that topic. And I know you

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot to say about and the SAVE provision

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<v Speaker 2>that's in there dealing with illegals having an obligation to

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<v Speaker 2>or well being able to vote, which I love that

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<v Speaker 2>SAVE provision, and I think perhaps perhaps it is designed

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<v Speaker 2>to get certain elected officials to reveal their true colors

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<v Speaker 2>about how they feel about the potential for illegal immigrants

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<v Speaker 2>voting in federal elections. So whether or not it goes through, ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see a show of hands on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor to see where people stand on that one. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about that considering a break is right here

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<v Speaker 2>We're less than two weeks so what eight eighteen on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're listening.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening right now, Congress from Thomas Massy on

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<v Speaker 2>the program, I'm getting ready to talk about the continuing

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<v Speaker 2>Resolution and ultimately an omnibus spending bill, not dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the twelve appropriations bills that you're supposed to deal with right, Congressman,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Congress being surprised about the end of the fiscal

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<v Speaker 1>year being September thirtieth. It's like a florist being surprised

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<v Speaker 1>by Valentine's Day. Like, I'm sorry, guys, this happens every year.

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<v Speaker 1>We had so much time to get ready for this,

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<v Speaker 1>and now the twelve separate bills have not been passed.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't sent them to the Senate, so we've got

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<v Speaker 1>no argument to send to give to the Senate. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a cr which stands for continuing resolution,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a cut copy paste of the horrible omnibus

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<v Speaker 1>that was passed this winter this past winter, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing nothing to cut spending. Now. The sweetener to get

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans to vote to just redo everything we did last

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<v Speaker 1>year and kick the can down the road is something

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<v Speaker 1>called the Save Act, which is a great bill, and

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<v Speaker 1>it puts the Democrats really in the crosshairs because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Mike Lee bill supported by Chip Roy over here,

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<v Speaker 1>two of my best friends. And I hate this because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the other side of them tactically. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>on policy we agree one hundred percent, but on tactics

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<v Speaker 1>we are in disagreement on this. They say we should

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<v Speaker 1>attach the Save Act to the CR. So the CR

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<v Speaker 1>remembers twelve separate bills, so now we're going to make

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<v Speaker 1>it thirteen bills. So we're going to attach the Save

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<v Speaker 1>for that and then send it to the Senate. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the Senate will finally have to take up the

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<v Speaker 1>Save Act, and it would do two things. Number One,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats would have to vote to shut down the government

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<v Speaker 1>over here in the House because they want illegals to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to vote. It puts them in a tough spot.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the Senate, Chuck Schumer would have to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing. He would have to refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up the bill because he wants illegals to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the government would shut down. Now here's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with that strategy. Our conference Republicans, particularly Mike Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>our speaker, is not going to shut down the government.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an election year. We are just weeks away

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<v Speaker 1>from the election. There is not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>government shutdown. There might be one of the last two

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<v Speaker 1>or three hours, okay, Friday night or Saturday night, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>that day is, but there ain't going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>government shutdown, and there ain't going to be a Save Act.

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<v Speaker 1>And then here's the other thing. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>put Democrats on record, we already voted on the Save Act.

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<v Speaker 1>We did that this summer, and five Democrats decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to walk the plank. Every Democrat voted to let illegals

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<v Speaker 1>vote in an election except for five. So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with the strategy. The other problem with the strategy

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<v Speaker 1>is eventually you're just going to get clean CR That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen, and spending is going to go

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<v Speaker 1>on unabated. Here's the other problem with it. The CR

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<v Speaker 1>that Mike Johnson has proposed is a six month r

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<v Speaker 1>They're saying, well, let's get to March and hopefully Trump

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<v Speaker 1>wins the election, we take the Senate and keep the House,

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<v Speaker 1>we win the trifecta, and this AD buys us enough

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<v Speaker 1>time to get past the lame duck session. Should we,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, run the trifecta in November, which is it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a bad thing because I don't I definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be sitting here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tracked, Christmas, I'm tracking where you're going. Go ahead, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>put on the cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there is a provision okay, and it would the

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<v Speaker 1>CR ends on March thirtieth. I got a provision put

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<v Speaker 1>into law last year as a condition of the debt

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<v Speaker 1>limit that says, if you do a CR that goes

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<v Speaker 1>past April thirtieth, there's a one percent cut to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Every bit of government gets cut one percent if you

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<v Speaker 1>take a CR past April thirtieth. That is, that is

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<v Speaker 1>in law. Joe Biden signed that in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>the debt limit increased, and it's still operable. They Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson didn't use it last year. He could have used

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<v Speaker 1>it last year. Okay, he's a new speaker. He's getting

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<v Speaker 1>these legs underneath of him. But now he's had a

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<v Speaker 1>full year to think about this. All we need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is for everybody who's okay, Massy, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>blow up this CR. What is your plan? What is

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<v Speaker 1>your plan? Massy? Well, my plan I've hatched for ten

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<v Speaker 1>years and actually got it implemented. It is sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>law in statute. My plan, and it's like t ball.

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<v Speaker 1>All you've got. All Republicans got to do is walk

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<v Speaker 1>up to the plate and just hit that ball off

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<v Speaker 1>the tee because if they do a one year CR.

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<v Speaker 1>If Mike Johnson would put a one year CR on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor, clean CR, what happens is it sets up

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<v Speaker 1>a one percent cut on April thirtieth. The Democrats cannot

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<v Speaker 1>complain about because Joe Biden signed it into law a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago. I'm trying to play chess here with a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people who are chewing on the checkers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they could just see that's what that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way this works. Now, when you get to April thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you have on your hands? If you've done

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<v Speaker 1>a one year CR, You've got a fight, not over

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<v Speaker 1>a shutdown. And by the way, we never win fights

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<v Speaker 1>over shutdowns. I'm okay shutting down the government, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>some republic who are worried about their election and they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it is. It is an inconvenience on

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<v Speaker 1>people in the military and air traffic controllers. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying it's not a fight worth having, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is inconvenient. Instead of having that fight, what the fight

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<v Speaker 1>you would have in April thirtieth is a fight over

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<v Speaker 1>whether we're going to do the twelve separate bills or

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<v Speaker 1>whether We're going to take a one percent cut. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a cut down fight, not a shutdown fight exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fight you can win. You can go back

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<v Speaker 1>to your district and message it. We keep every Republican

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<v Speaker 1>on the team instead of having defectors, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>win that fight, and Mike Johnson can trade that one

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<v Speaker 1>percent cut for something else. Okay, maybe at that point

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<v Speaker 1>we could actually get the Save Act or something else.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the Save Act. Let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>another I stood up in our GOP conference yesterday. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a private meeting, and I told the speaker. I

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<v Speaker 1>looked him in the eye. You get one minute at

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone. I said, your plan has fair retail levels

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<v Speaker 1>of unbelievability. Right now, there is. And I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>to address these two things. Number One, I said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to shut down the government. You're not even

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<v Speaker 1>going to threaten a shut down of the government. So

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are laughing that we think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get the Save Act on this. Number two,

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<v Speaker 1>this will go all the way to This fight will

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<v Speaker 1>go all the way to October first. The election is

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<v Speaker 1>November fifth. Do you think a law is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go into place on October first and effect an election

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<v Speaker 1>on November fifth. Absolutely not, absolutely not, because number one,

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<v Speaker 1>by October first, in these swing states, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats will have already voted, exactly. And also in

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<v Speaker 1>almost every state, I believe everybody who's going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>on November fifth is already registered to vote pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>by October first, So you're not stopping anybody from getting

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<v Speaker 1>registered to vote with the Save Act, it's and the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>like with every law, they'll be an injunction. They'll say

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<v Speaker 1>it's voter suppression. Oh you know, you're you're making people

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to go vote. So this is a constitutional issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll get one injunction in one, you know, a circuit.

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<v Speaker 2>The court system drags its heels, it'll be be delayed

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, the outcome will be inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be going in the law.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not a problem because it's already illegal for immigrants,

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<v Speaker 2>illegal immigrants to vote in federal elections. But I get

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<v Speaker 2>your point real quick. Judge of Paula Kina is listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's waiting in the wing so he can say

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<v Speaker 2>hello hello to him as we part company. Yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the response in that room, that private meeting, when

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<v Speaker 2>you point out your strategy, why wouldn't everyone just go, brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Three quarters that the Republicans do say that, and a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter who are un asked, and Foreign Affairs that's House

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<v Speaker 1>Armed Services to be in Foreign Affairs are worried about

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<v Speaker 1>a one percent cut to the military. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>Achilles heel. And so what Republicans and Democrats do instead

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<v Speaker 1>of saying, well, I'll cut one percent from my priorities

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<v Speaker 1>if you cut one percent from your priorities in order

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<v Speaker 1>to save this country, they get together and say I'll

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<v Speaker 1>increase mine five percent and let you increase yours by

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<v Speaker 1>five percent. They've got a deal. And so it's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this what I had a private conversation with the

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<v Speaker 1>Speaker and he just told me the House Armed Services

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<v Speaker 1>Committees is not going to let me do this. And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, look, you don't have two hundred and eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>votes for anything here in the Republican conference. Anything that

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<v Speaker 1>passes in the House and Senate's got to have Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>and Republicans. But if you put a one year clean

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<v Speaker 1>cr on the floor, Democrats can't vote against that and

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<v Speaker 1>shut down the government and if they if they bally

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<v Speaker 1>ache about the one percent cut, you know, if he

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<v Speaker 1>puts a one year CR on the floor, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>not vote against him. And they also can't demagogue that

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<v Speaker 1>one percent cut that happens on April thirtieth. We call

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<v Speaker 1>it the Massi Plan here in Congress because Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>signed that into law.

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<v Speaker 2>I like your strategy, and that's why you're so brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>why we love you so much. And I know the

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Paul Tanna loves you as well. He'll probably say

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<v Speaker 2>so when we get back that comes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the judge, but you tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>He just told him. He's listening, right Congress and Massy,

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<v Speaker 2>you always have a welcome was fired here in the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five care see morning ship. Thanks for doing what

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<v Speaker 2>you do and if you have a brilliant strategy, I

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<v Speaker 2>just wish more people would lock arms with you and

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<v Speaker 2>move forward with it. Sure could use a one percent cut,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. We'll talk soon, my friends. Stay well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is