1 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: And we're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,199 I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist, and 3 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,879 your experienced Shirpa on today's Quest for Knowledge. As always, 4 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,399 you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,200 dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, make 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,240 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,520 course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,439 I'm joined today by Mike Howell, executive director of the 9 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:52,679 Heritage Foundation's Overside Project. Launched in January twenty twenty two, 10 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:58,399 the Overside Project is Heritage's investigative and oversight arm. The 11 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:02,359 work is primarily in ten to drive successful federal, state, 12 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:06,680 and local oversight and accountability of the destructive work of 13 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:13,040 the radical progressive left. Successful oversight means shaping successful policy victories, 14 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:16,120 and let me tell you, the Oversight Project has indeed 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,079 achieved successful policy victories. Mike, thanks so much for being 16 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:23,239 here on today's edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 17 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: He thank you for having me. 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: You guys are doing fantastic work. I know that because 19 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:31,480 I use your work. In fact, we had a story 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,480 up at the Federalist last week talking to some of 21 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,599 the fine folks in your project at the Heritage Jeff Foundation, 22 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,799 regarding the thousands of documents that you have obtained, and 23 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:50,359 it has been no easy feat, believe me, from the 24 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Biden administration on what is commonly referred to as Biden Bucks. 25 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,680 It's the executive order that he signed, one of the 26 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:01,120 first orders of bil business, if you will, for the 27 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,879 Biden administration in March of twenty twenty one. And what 28 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,159 it did was it directed the federal government to use 29 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,400 taxpayer resources effectively to drive a get out the vote 30 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,759 effort to re elect at that time Joe Biden. That's 31 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:22,520 no longer an issue, but his successor, Kamala Harris, of course, 32 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:27,080 and Democrats, I mean, the documents and the people behind 33 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,919 it are they're troubling, to say the least. Let's start there, 34 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,879 because I don't know of anything much more important than 35 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,159 election integrity as we move within one hundred days of 36 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:41,759 this election. 37 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:46,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what's happening now is absolute corruption. I mean, 38 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,319 a very red line was crossed by this administration. We've 39 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,639 taken for granted the United States of America that the 40 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,960 president is not allowed to use the executive branch to 41 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:00,840 ensure his own reelection, particularly you know the rules of 42 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,599 the road and the way elections are conducted. That is 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,599 a long held principle of America's constitutional republic is that 44 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,639 the voters get to decide who the president is. And 45 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,280 this rubicon was crossed very early in this administration where 46 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:18,560 basically the Biden administration, and this is spearheaded by Susan 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,439 Rice and really is derivative of Obama world, decided that 48 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:24,080 they were going to do all the things they could 49 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,919 not do legislatively. Remember there was that HR one bill, 50 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,960 the Pelosi bill for the voting bill they wanted to 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,960 push cross they decided that removes much of that activity 52 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,520 inside the executive branch to ensure that Biden or whomever 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,199 would be re elected. And it's playing out really on 54 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,159 steroids right. 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,759 Speaker 1: Now, on steroids. Indeed, in fact, I wrote a piece 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,080 several months ago at the Federalist talking about if you 57 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,599 thought Zuckbucks or Zuckerbucks, however you want to phrase it, 58 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,479 was bad, just wait you get a hold of this. 59 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,560 I think some folks, perhaps in your organization, but certainly 60 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,960 one of the watchdogs looking into this described it as 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,759 zuck Bucks on steroids. Is that a fair descriptor. 62 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, steroids might be you know, a little small. 63 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,520 I mean, when we talk about zuck Bucks, it was 64 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,280 about four hundred million dollars to privatize you know, local 65 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:18,639 election systems in a few areas. What we're talking about 66 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:21,639 now is the entirety of the federal government apparatus, you know, 67 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,240 across the country and everywhere engaged in directional voter mobilization 68 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,160 and get out the vote experts. And so this dwarf 69 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,879 zuck Bucks in terms of its size and scale. The 70 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,839 originators of this a group called Demos, who again is 71 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,879 derivative of Obama World brad that they could get three 72 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,120 million more Democrats registered and activated to vote for them 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,040 if they use the federal government towards this end. And 74 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:47,319 so when we look at twenty twenty, an election that 75 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,040 came down to, you know, forty thousand votes if you 76 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:53,480 trust the final public tally, we're talking about three million. 77 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Now. 78 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:58,199 Speaker 3: It's a real sleeping giant that Americans aren't aware of, 79 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,439 despite you know, us putting out the word, you putting 80 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:03,600 out the word. It's really outcome determinive. 81 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: No doubt about it. In what is scary about this 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:14,120 once again, is just how deeply this goes the federal government, 83 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:19,959 the Biden administration tied in to the leftist organizations that 84 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,399 tell you innoculously that Executive Order fourteen zero one nine, 85 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,199 as it is officially listed, is nothing more than a 86 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:37,639 noble access to voter registration, the idea of expanding voting 87 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:44,279 for all Americans, and so it's presented that way, but 88 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,839 it seems, based on the documents that you folks have obtained, 89 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,480 based on the stories that we've written at the Federalist 90 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:56,319 and some pretty damning information, that it's more than just 91 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:01,160 this innocuous idea of expanding access to voting. 92 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: That's absolutely right. The directional is the word we use. 93 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: They're taking all of the powers of the federal government, 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,759 the money, the resources, the access, combining it with only 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,600 far left progressive nonprofits, and then pointing those efforts at 96 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,639 key demographics that they think, numbers wise, will turn out 97 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:22,319 for them. And the documents we've uncovered prove this over 98 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,920 and over again, and it's predatory in nature in terms 99 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:27,560 of who it points to the machine at. We're seeing 100 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,079 a huge uptick in Native American reservations, prisons, college campuses, 101 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:36,279 any key demographic that is associated with the left is 102 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,759 a target for the government to activate and to roll 103 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,360 into the DNCS get out of the vote program. They're 104 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,360 wholly ignoring any sort of demographic that traditionally would lean right, 105 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,480 and so they painted in these kind of neutral terms 106 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,439 of voter registration and mobilization because they know that's kind 107 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,319 of hard to argue with. 108 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: How can you argue against that? 109 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 3: But what they don't tell the American people is that 110 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,040 this is only pointed in areas that they think benefits them. 111 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,879 And it's really outrageous how ham fisted they've gone about this, 112 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:08,879 and they're absolute desperation. You know, we uncovered some documents 113 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,319 about the Bureau of Indian Education where they're basically picking 114 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Native American reservations only in. 115 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:14,879 Speaker 2: Deep blue areas. 116 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:16,879 Speaker 3: Believe it or not, there are plenty of Native American 117 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,720 tribes that lean right, you know, the Lunkies North Carolina 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,519 or one of them. But they're picking the hardest left 119 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,079 demographics in the Swing states and doing things as looney 120 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,399 as sending kids home with packets to get their parents 121 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,959 to fill out there, enlisting the children to go after 122 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,480 the parents. It's just really really predatory. 123 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:38,439 Speaker 1: That's very disturbing, you know that point, and I looked 124 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,120 at those documents and have a piece up at the 125 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Federalist on that, and excellent work on the Oversight Project's 126 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,600 part for looking into this. Reading the communications between the 127 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:54,399 Department of the Interior and the Bureau of Indian Education, 128 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,360 it is clear exactly what they are doing. You have 129 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,040 officials saying, hey, can we meet next week to talk 130 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:04,920 about how we can get voter registration cards in the 131 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:11,040 hands of school kids, kindergardeners, elementary school kids, you know, 132 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,720 high schoolers, middle schoolers, and get those voter registration cards 133 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,079 home to mom and dad. And it's not just as 134 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:26,000 you mentioned, a widespread effort across these government run Native 135 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,600 American education programs and systems. It is specifically targeted in 136 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,919 deep blue areas of swing states that will make the 137 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,799 difference ultimately in November's election. 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: That's absolutely right, And another dramatic illustration of this is 139 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,120 what we found in Michigan. So basically the small business administration. 140 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:47,120 You're probably rightfully thinking, what the heck do they have 141 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:49,480 to do with elections? Well, think about all the money 142 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,120 that's going to flow through these entities in terms of 143 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,480 jobs and whatnot to juice the economy before the election 144 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,879 and those massive trillion dollar bills that you know Biden 145 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,519 jammed through the Congress in the first half his term. 146 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,320 But if you look in Michigan, the Small Business Administration 147 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,519 has a memorandum of understanding with Jocelyn Benson, one of 148 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,960 the hardest left Secretaries of State out there, and they 149 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,120 basically picked twelve job sites in deep blue areas. And 150 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,879 you know, Michigan there's kind of a divergent political setup 151 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:21,240 in that the Upper Peninsula is deep red. Obviously they 152 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:23,600 picked no job sites up there, and so they're just 153 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,159 deploying all these resources in the area that Benson and 154 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,799 the radicals that the Biden administration pick to use the 155 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,919 government money and resources to connect people to you know, 156 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,720 get out the vote efforts. You basically show up, help 157 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:40,000 get a job through the Small Business Administration. Next thing 158 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,879 you know, you're in a DNC voter database that's being 159 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:43,960 solicited for get out of. 160 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:44,759 Speaker 2: The vote purposes. 161 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,279 Speaker 1: Amazing. You know, we've heard in recent days since Kamala Harris, 162 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,120 Vice President Kamala Harris has been the presumptive annoyed in 163 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,799 one of the Democratic Party to take over where Joe 164 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:01,320 Biden has obviously left off, backing out of the race 165 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:08,120 after a disastrous debate and the vast majority of Americans, 166 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,159 including Democrats, not wanting him to seek reelection or even 167 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:16,399 serve in the office because of the well stated, well 168 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,000 seen problems that he is facing as an octagenarian president. 169 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:25,159 But it's interesting to, you know, look at this kind 170 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,840 of information that you've obtained, that you've uncovered, and then 171 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,159 look at now over the last week where the polling is, 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,200 and you hear the Democrats and the accomplice media talking about, oh, 173 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:41,200 look how Kamala Harris is. Must you know, this really 174 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,240 recharged a broken spirited Democratic party. She's closing the gap 175 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,879 that Trump had over Biden. But I guess my question 176 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,960 to you is, no matter where the polling stands, even 177 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,320 if Kamala Harris is five six points down or more 178 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,840 to Donald Trump, will it ultimately matter if the Democrats 179 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:12,440 have this kind of constitutionally suspect operation running again paid 180 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,039 for by you, the taxpayer. 181 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: Right. 182 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:18,159 Speaker 3: So that's the open question and the million dollar question. 183 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,240 I mean, unfortunately, the way it stands now, there's zero 184 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,559 percent chances of free and fair election, and this is 185 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,320 because of things like Biden Bucks or what we're calling 186 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:29,600 Kamala campaign cash, or things like trying to imprison your 187 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,639 chief political opponent or you know, shooting them into phase. 188 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,039 This election has been interfered with in so many substantial 189 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,759 ways that there is a delta that President Trump will 190 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,080 have to overcome. So he's going to have to win 191 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,039 by more than you know would be required in a 192 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,840 free and fair election. I will say on the polling industry, 193 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:49,240 which is a fraudulent industry. You can buy a poll 194 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:51,759 to say whatever you want. The play right now on 195 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:53,919 the left is to try to keep this election, you know, 196 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,960 close for public purposes, in terms of they need to 197 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,879 condition the public that you know, it's expected to be close, 198 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:02,960 so that when did cheating schemes kick in, there's an 199 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,519 element of believability to it. And so that's what we're 200 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:08,960 seeing happening right now with the media fully in you know, 201 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,279 cahoots with the Democratic Party to keep this illusion of 202 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,759 you know, this upshot Kamala Harris alive when you know 203 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,919 reality is that she's no different than you know, President 204 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,519 Biden in terms of his fundamental flaws and his handling 205 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,600 of policy over the last few years. 206 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:28,519 Speaker 1: Indeed, based on what you've seen based on the documents 207 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,279 that the Oversight Project has uncovered. You know, these are 208 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,039 documents that date back last few years. But from what 209 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,320 you've been able to take in and what you've been 210 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,720 able to see, does it look like the Biden Bucks 211 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,759 machine is ramping up even more so for Kamala Harris, 212 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,559 the if you will, accidental presidential candidate, So. 213 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: A lot of her boy returns are you know, by 214 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,919 very definition delayed a few months, so we wouldn't be 215 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,600 able to detect it up rising that fast. I will say, 216 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,000 I think the program is virtually candidate you know, agnostic, 217 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:09,200 as much of the machinery is. It really doesn't matter 218 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:12,360 who the Left nominates as a presidential candidate when they've 219 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,000 changed elections not into gathering votes, but collecting ballots. The 220 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,799 quote unquote election system in the United States of American 221 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:24,000 twenty twenty four is a competition of machinery to collect ballots. 222 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,200 And so it really doesn't matter whose names on it 223 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:28,440 if you're just going out and you know, running the 224 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,080 game of collecting them. And that's what camel a campaign 225 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,919 cash or Biden Bucks is really all about getting as 226 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:36,960 many unaccountable ballots out there as possible. And this is 227 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,240 where the invasion really plays in. We're talking about ten 228 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:43,279 million plus people who have stormed across our border. That 229 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,240 creates an absolute pressure on the number of ballots going out. 230 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,679 When we have basically an honor system in terms of 231 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 illegal alience registering to vote, there's going to be tons 232 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:54,159 of more ballots out there that are collectible, whether the 233 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,279 illegal alien intends to vote them or not. And it 234 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,159 doesn't matter for the purposes of the machinery whether that 235 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,960 ball it's being collected for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. 236 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,279 It's all the same scheme at the end of the day. 237 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: Weird how no one's going after CrowdStrike after their transportation meltdown. 238 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,000 The watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 239 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,919 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 240 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,480 the economy and how it affects your wallet. While Pete 241 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:23,480 goes after airlines like Delta. No one's saying a word 242 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,559 about CrowdStrike. Remember when CrowdStrike also said Hillary's server was 243 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,320 hacked by Russians. Whether it's happening in DC or down 244 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,080 on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 245 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:32,679 Speaker 1: Be informed. 246 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:34,879 Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris 247 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:39,360 Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 248 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Well, that's scary. We're going to get into the non 249 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:47,480 citizen illegal immigrant issue coming up in just a moment 250 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,279 as we take a closer look at Biden Bucks in particular, 251 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,279 or Executive Order fourteen zero one nine once again that 252 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,720 gives the federal government, the federal agencies the full ability 253 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:07,120 to run a get out the vote operation for Kamala 254 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:10,279 Harris now and the rest of the Democrats. There is 255 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:13,840 something called the Anti Deficiency Act that I think we 256 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:20,600 should pause and talk about. It's important because it says 257 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:28,679 specifically that federal agencies cannot use money that is appropriated 258 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,519 by Congress not designated for the purpose stipulated in the 259 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,840 funding package. Where does it say anywhere that the federal government, 260 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,679 the Biden administration here in this case, can use the 261 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,679 federal government as a get out the vote operation. 262 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: Well, it says exactly opposite of the United States Constitution, 263 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 where it leaves elections to the states and their legislatures 264 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:56,039 to determine the time, place, and manner, And so it's 265 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,000 explicitly forbidden for the executive branch to do this in 266 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:02,279 the Constitution, not to mention two hundred and fifty years 267 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,720 of customs, norms, and practices where the president does not 268 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,320 manipulate the government. 269 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: To ensure his own re election. 270 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: So we're already far, far far downfield on this right now, 271 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,600 I will say about the Anti Deficiency Act, we're in 272 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,360 a lot of trouble if that's what we have to 273 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,440 point to. The Anti Deficiency Act is largely administered by 274 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,600 the Government Accountability Office GAO, which is a legislative branch office. 275 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:30,279 It takes years, it rarely is successful, and the recourse 276 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,000 there is basically the government spent money that they shouldn't 277 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:37,120 have spent. It's a financial kind of, you know, remedy. 278 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:40,159 It's not going to change the outcome of an election. 279 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,639 The remedy here was for Congress to act. And I'll 280 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:46,159 tell this to your viewers. When Speaker McCarthy you know, 281 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,320 was getting oriented as the new you know, a majority 282 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:51,480 leader at the beginning of this Congress, we were asked 283 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:54,799 what is the most important thing for oversight purposes and 284 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,279 what should we be focused on defunding as number one, 285 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:00,320 And to a lot of people's shock at that moment time, 286 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,399 we said this is it EO one four zero nineteen. 287 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,079 You're guaranteeing a you know, not only Joe Biden or 288 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,720 whomever reelection, but down ballot as well, and people aren't 289 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,839 going to have confidence in the outcomes of those elections. 290 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Is really republic threatening behavior. And so the remedy was 291 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:19,920 for Congress to defund that. Instead, Congress, as you know, 292 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,039 waltz through funding cycle after funding cycle, maybe with a 293 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,680 couple of messaging letters or hearings in between, and you know, 294 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:29,799 doubled down on funding all of this activity. So if 295 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,000 the election is rigged on the basis of this executive order, 296 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,759 it's not only you know, President Biden and his administration 297 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:39,240 who's at fault, but the people who we've allowed to 298 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:42,359 have power on our behalf are representatives in Congress who 299 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,920 funded this. And that's just a story across the board 300 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,599 for the weaponization of this administration, which has only gotten 301 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,279 worse since Republicans took the gabbles and the majority in 302 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:51,720 the House. 303 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,039 Speaker 1: Indeed, but you know, you talk about it, maybe the 304 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,200 states are the salvation of this. You talk about the 305 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 constitutional side of this thing, and what clearly is stated 306 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:06,400 in the Constitution about states being in charge of running 307 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,279 the elections because it's not a national election, it's an 308 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:15,200 election of fifty states and territories and districts, all of that. 309 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:22,400 And so that said, we had some very courageous constitutional 310 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,200 law adherents, and that's difficult to find these days, it 311 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,960 seems so often, certainly on the left. But some folks 312 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,400 in Pennsylvania, the state legislature that took this Biden Bucks 313 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,440 case to the US Supreme Court, and they had a 314 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,039 very compelling argument. They took it to the Supreme Court 315 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,519 because it was rejected not on the merits of the 316 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:51,720 case in Pennsylvania Federal court District court. It was rejected 317 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:56,240 because of a long standing standing issue. The Supreme Court 318 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,519 was mulling it and then ultimately decided, for whatever reason, 319 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,559 it would not take it up until they get back 320 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,680 into their next session come late September. That seems to 321 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,039 me too late. The damage will mostly be done by 322 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,000 the time the Supreme Court gets back in. We're going 323 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:19,960 to have early voting already starting. Any hope that the 324 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,599 Supreme Court will will offer some sort of respite or 325 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,279 relief from this. Clearly to me, seems an unconstitutional act 326 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:31,359 by the Biden administration. 327 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: No I have no hope. 328 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,279 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I mean, the Supreme Court in the judiciary red 329 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,319 large has virtually proven to not want to touch election 330 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,039 related issues at all. And we saw this in the 331 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:45,440 aftermath of twenty twenty where the basic, you know, judiciary 332 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:48,319 theory was Okay, if it's before the election, you can't 333 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,599 come to us because the damage hasn't been done. And 334 00:19:50,599 --> 00:19:52,440 then after the fact they'll say, well, it's too late 335 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,640 to do anything about it. And so we're in this 336 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,599 catch twenty two area where the judiciary is into a 337 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,519 place to really hear these disputes, and that's really really unfortunate. 338 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:03,799 And so where that leaves us is a lot of 339 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,799 the swing states are complicit in this. They like the 340 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:09,880 federal interference in it because it's a part is an issue. 341 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:12,880 So in a state like Pennsylvania with the Democratic governor, 342 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,359 they're not going to kick these folks out. But you 343 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,599 do see some activity in some deep red states. In Indiana, 344 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,720 for example, Secretary of State Diego Morales told the Feds 345 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,519 they weren't allowed to do this at all, which was 346 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,799 our recommendation when we wrote a letter to all the 347 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,200 Secretaries of states, and so that's great, but Indiana is 348 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000 a red state, right, And so we're in trouble in 349 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:38,599 a lot of the swings where there is complicit conspiratorial behavior, 350 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,359 you know, no different than Jocelyn Benson working with the 351 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,400 Biden administration up in Michigan. And so it's really a 352 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,480 dangerous territory. And then the question obviously is, well, then 353 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,640 what is the remedy? And this is what I fear, 354 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:54,720 and I got in some trouble for these comments a 355 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,519 few weeks ago, but we hosted an event and I 356 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:01,839 basically said, I'm formally accusing the administration of creating the 357 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,599 conditions that no reasonable policy maker can certify an election. 358 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:07,480 And so I think we're going to get into some 359 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:13,039 seriously hairy certification issues. What is a policy maker to 360 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,079 do when they're asked to certify an election that there's 361 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,640 this positive proof the Fed's interfered with and illegal aliens 362 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,880 voted in. And so that's why we see preemptively right now, 363 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,279 a lot of the litigation efforts of Mark Elias and 364 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:28,960 others are trying to turn the certification into a ministerial 365 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,599 duty where basically people have to certify, and that's really 366 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,160 where the fight is. They're trying to jam corrupt elections 367 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,799 down our throats and to force it on the certification stage. 368 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: Very scary. I said, we were going to get into 369 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,279 the non citizens' aspect of this, the illegal alien portion 370 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,400 of it, because it is a significant portion of this 371 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,720 argument coming up. Indeed we will. We're talking today with 372 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,960 Mike Howell, executive director of the Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project. 373 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:04,680 These folks are doing some great work in shining light 374 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:10,880 on the records, the documents, the communications regarding Executive Order 375 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,079 fourteen zero one nine. What is commonly referred to as 376 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,160 biden Bucks and biden Bucks is exactly what it sounds 377 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:23,200 like in reference to Zuckbucks using your taxpayer dollars to 378 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,039 operate a get out the vote machine to elect or 379 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,640 re elect Democrats. The last several years in this country, 380 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,279 on Joe Biden's watch, we have seen what are the estimates, 381 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,319 ten million plus illegal immigrants coming over the border. That 382 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:46,480 wasn't an accident, that was policy, it was by design. 383 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,400 How much of that is going to factor into fraudulent 384 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:52,799 voting in this twenty twenty four. 385 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: Election massively, absolutely, massively, and it's almost incurable at this point. 386 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,000 You know, right now the United States is suffering. It's 387 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,440 third and a half year being invaded, and for the 388 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,480 first time in our constitutional republic, the president is on 389 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,839 the inside, on the side of the invaders. I mean, 390 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,000 this is really a historical, unprecedented that the president and 391 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,599 administration gave up sovereign control of our border, you know, 392 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:22,200 which has led to just pouring across people from mental institutions, rapists, pedophiles, drugs, crime, 393 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,960 everything they bring with them, all for a political trade 394 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,720 off in their mind that this would help them win 395 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:31,319 elections because they're importing a new voter block. They've the 396 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,720 Left has opposed every single measure to protect our election 397 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,799 infrastructure against the legals voting. Right now, we basically operate 398 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,960 off an honor system where, you know, due to the 399 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,319 motor voter registration and a legal alien when they go 400 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960 to the DMV simply just has to say they're not 401 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,519 an illegal and they get registered to vote. And then 402 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:52,279 there's very little way to audit that system. I mean, 403 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,480 DHS holds some databases which aren't even perfect about who's 404 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,160 a citizen and who's not that states have to pay 405 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,319 to get access to on like you know, per use. 406 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,920 There's simply not a way to just audit the system. 407 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,200 Right now for these these things, and then after the fact, 408 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,319 there's not a way to look at an election and 409 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,519 to detect, you know, rates of non citizens voting at all. 410 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:16,359 They design the system so they can't be audited. And 411 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,839 you know, even if you could audit them, the timeframe 412 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,160 between an election and certification is so short that no 413 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,799 full scope or investigation can occur. 414 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:27,079 Speaker 2: And then making. 415 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,079 Speaker 3: Matters even worse is there's not even a body to 416 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,799 do those things. Most states don't even have full time 417 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:34,359 election crime prosecutors. 418 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,079 Speaker 2: They aren't looking into these things. 419 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: We have investigators going around the country right now simply 420 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,000 just asking the legal aliens if they're registered to vote, 421 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,599 and the response rate and the affirmative is. 422 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:46,079 Speaker 2: Absolutely through the roof. 423 00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,839 Speaker 3: And so this is a really tough situation, and that 424 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,039 you know, the Left is basically hitched there a political 425 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,440 wagon to winning on the backs of the illegal aliens 426 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,759 in an unapologetic way. They're openly opposing any measures to 427 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,000 pret tack the system from foreign influence via the illegals. 428 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,359 And I think ultimately they're going to have to live 429 00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:08,839 if they win quote unquote an election with the vast 430 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,200 majority of this country believing they did so on the 431 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,119 backs of illegal aliens that they imported to replace Americans. 432 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: Sounds like a headline we're dealing with today, and you 433 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:23,200 know what I'm talking about. That headline involves Venezuela. The 434 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,680 Washington Post headline, World leaders cast out on Maduro's claim 435 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:33,000 of victory in Venezuelan elections. How close are we mirroring 436 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,319 what's going on here, what we've just been talking about 437 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,559 for these last several minutes, what's going on in Venezuela. 438 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: I think Venezuela's behind us and closer to us. I 439 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359 think the question should be flipped on its head. After 440 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,759 twenty twenty, I think this country lost all international standing 441 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:53,119 to basically lecture anybody else about their their elections. And obviously, 442 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,319 the United States has a long history of interfering in 443 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,160 those elections, and I'm sure Maduro will have some claims 444 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,960 about the US role in the election down there. But 445 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,440 this is what happens when you run fraudulent elections in 446 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:05,640 you know, the United States of America, as you lose 447 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,279 your international standing to lecture people on their democracy and 448 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,759 all this while you know, we're pretending that Ukraine is 449 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:16,400 some aspirational democracy when they've canceled elections, and so you know, 450 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,880 I don't think we're catching up to Venezuela. I think 451 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,880 Venezuela is catching up to US. 452 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: Motor Voter Act goes back now more than thirty years. 453 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,799 Do you think that that was the long term strategic 454 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,920 plan of the left Democrats at that time. Conservatives got 455 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,480 some things, a few things they wanted in that vote, 456 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,279 but ultimately you ended up getting, along with some other things, 457 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,319 just this, as you say, honor system when it comes 458 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,480 to status, citizenship status in America. 459 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,039 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't think the designs at the time were 460 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,519 as you know, sophisticated and criminal as they are now. 461 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:57,839 Speaker 2: I think, you know, during the Clint. 462 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,279 Speaker 3: Administration there is the least kind of bipart is a 463 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,519 consensus that illegal immigration was bad. But obviously the intent 464 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,759 of the Motor Voter was to loosen the registration requirements 465 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,240 and less an election integrity in the name of the left, 466 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,519 hopefully getting more people on their side registered on their behalf. 467 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: So those exploitable loopholes were. 468 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: Put into place and taken full advantage of by now 469 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,400 a political party and movement that has placed the legal 470 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,599 aliens in winning well above the well being of not 471 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,480 only this country, but the citizens that should occupy it. 472 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the Hatch Act, because 473 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,880 some documents that I looked at from the oversight project 474 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,519 that you obtained show some real problems, if not stepping 475 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,920 up and looking over the edge, actually plummeting from the 476 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,039 edge into Hatch Act violations. Again. I go back to 477 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,799 the Department of the Interior. The secretary there lauded, lauded 478 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,039 again as being the first Native American to serve as 479 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:02,440 secretary of any agency. Andy, But you have a Secretary 480 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,880 of the Interior who has written op ed pieces and 481 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,920 made speeches, and, according to the documents that you've uncovered, 482 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:18,160 really pushing a targeted agenda, a political agenda. It's it's 483 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,319 really hard to argue as their attorneys in these communications 484 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,079 keep trying to do that they're somehow inside of the 485 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,319 Hatch Act provisions that prevent, you know, overt partisan politicking, 486 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:40,839 you know, in a very political way. But it seems 487 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640 to me, based on what you've uncovered, that they've jumped 488 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,039 over the line of the Hatch Act. 489 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh. 490 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And well, what listeners should understand is the Hatch 491 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,880 Act is administered by an agency called the Office of 492 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Special Council, not to be confused with you know, the 493 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,240 various other special councils in Jacksmith. 494 00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:57,599 Speaker 2: Of the World r. 495 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:01,279 Speaker 3: And so this is a federal executive brandan entity whose 496 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:05,119 leadership is appointed by President Biden. And so this is 497 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,279 in some agnostic, impartial agency, although that's what they like 498 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,480 to present themselves as. The fact that they signed off 499 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,920 on this executive order is so lappably absurd. It goes 500 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,759 against the very purpose of having this you know, quote 501 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,400 unquote independent agency, which is not independent at all. And 502 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,960 so they've really, i think ruined their credibility for a 503 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,039 long time going forward. And we really need a credible 504 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,400 Office of Special Counsel because they deal with whistleblower complaints 505 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,759 all sorts of things, and they have some sort of 506 00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,000 you know, power or to remedy those things. But when 507 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,559 you see basically the one nsteam federal government who's supposed 508 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,079 to police this activity, saying that one of the most 509 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,920 egregious constitutional abuses of our time is all fine in dandy. 510 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,440 I think Americans have a lot of right to question 511 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,319 their government and the weaponization trends that they're seeing. 512 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,039 Speaker 1: Well, definitely, it's just further proof and exhibit a of 513 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,759 what we're talking about with the way that this administration 514 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,559 has used federal agencies, particularly the Department of Justice, to 515 00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,880 go after their political enemies. Let's talk Act Blue for 516 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,759 a moment. I'm wondering if the Oversight Project has looked 517 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,839 into the growing controversy. It's not a new controversy, but 518 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400 it certainly is getting a lot of attention now about 519 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:25,440 some very suspect massive donations. And I think it's really 520 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,920 coming to light. We're told by the Democrats, were told 521 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680 by their friends in the accomplice media that Kamala Harris 522 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,759 in twenty four hours raised what some one hundred million 523 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,839 dollars and that was all driven by the exuberance, of course, 524 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,960 people who are excited to see Joe Biden being thrown 525 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,319 off the Democrat Party train and Kamala Harris getting on 526 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:56,000 board and serving as the conductor. But there are some 527 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:02,599 serious concerns about foreign in es, lots of money being 528 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480 dumped in you. Can you talk a little bit about that. 529 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,920 If the Overside Project has been looking into the Act 530 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,799 Blue donations. 531 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely we have. 532 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,279 Speaker 3: But I should credit the folks who've really brought a 533 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,519 lot of this to to light. I mean, James O'Keeffe 534 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,079 and you know his group have put a lot out there. 535 00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:23,640 There's a lot of other citizen reporters, all outside of government, 536 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,759 by the way, which is really what's happening right now 537 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,839 is the institutional right, in terms of its elected class, 538 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880 has fallen down on its oversight investigations and you know, 539 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240 accountability functions. So it's left to people like the Oversight 540 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,279 Project and other you know, you know, citizen journalists or 541 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,039 actual journalists like you all the federalists to do this 542 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:44,200 type of stuff. But yes, we are closely tracking it 543 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,799 is obviously beyond the pal suspect. Where I'm targeting our 544 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,960 efforts now is basically gathering up stuff to refer to 545 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,680 state attorneys general because they're the ones who can go 546 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,240 out and serve subpoenas. I mean, I think enough has 547 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:59,920 been done in the exposure lane that it's time for 548 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,759 actual legal consequence. And I don't know why no one's 549 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,039 taken that step thus far, but this is the pattern 550 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,599 we see. You know, our state ags aren't willing to 551 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,279 get into these spaces. It's almost like the complete opposite 552 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,720 of the weaponis left. They won't even touch legitimate areas 553 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,960 if they think it smells too much of politics. And 554 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,319 so when you see foreign money flooding into our election 555 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,640 infrastructure through Act Blue, you got to wonder how they're 556 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,680 allowed to get away with this. And the short answer 557 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,799 is because you know, we don't stop them. 558 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. I'm curious. I've got some 559 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:40,759 emails out to some folks in, for instance, Senator Marco 560 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:44,799 Rubio's office, but I recall in about this time twenty 561 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,799 twenty three, the Senator's office was looking into is going 562 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,079 to investigate some of this stuff? Do you know what's 563 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,640 ever come of that? I'm not just picking on Senator Rubio. 564 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,079 I know others have been talking about investigating as well. 565 00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:59,839 Where does that stand congressionally? 566 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: So Congress, Senate, or House is incapable of investigating and 567 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,839 solving anything. I think one of the biggest things that we, 568 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,519 as you know, a base and a public can do 569 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,799 is to stop appealing to those people. If you can 570 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640 name me one problem that Congress has solved by virtue 571 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,279 of their investigations, all shut up. But I don't think 572 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:20,319 you can, because they are only interested in getting on 573 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,799 TV or cameras or presence. They'd like to associate themselves 574 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,519 with the controversy, but never see anything through this. This is, 575 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,480 you know, unfortunately, what Congressional Oversight has kind of devolved too. 576 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,640 Now the left doesn't play that way. The left gets 577 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,559 the job done. They're right, just you know, the only 578 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,920 problem they run towards is, you know, if a camera 579 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:40,839 is right there, and they'll get their five minutes in 580 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,920 and leave. And the same things playing out with this 581 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,799 task force that they announced for the Trump assassination, which 582 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,240 I think you know, when they issue their final reporting December, 583 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,599 is going to leave a lot of Americans with the 584 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,359 final consensus that Congress is just not a serious entity 585 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,359 in terms of investigative and accountability measures. 586 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: And so I put no stock. 587 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: I spend very little time thinking about what the Hill 588 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,559 is or is not doing to me. They can wake 589 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,119 up one day and start start doing things correctly, but 590 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,159 I'm not holding my breath. That's why we launched the 591 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,079 Oversight project. We're innovating beyond what they're capable of doing. 592 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,840 And I think that's why we've had such success, not 593 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,360 only getting documents out that they can't get in Congress, 594 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,760 but getting results that they can't get either. And that's 595 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,119 because they choose not to get them, they choose to 596 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:24,719 be losers. 597 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, and that's, you know, that's 598 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,519 the disappointing part to a lot of Americans, be they grassroots, 599 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,480 conservatives or independents looking for some accountability. If you're looking 600 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,719 for accountability coming out of the halls of Congress from 601 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,920 Republican members of Congress, you have ultimately come to the 602 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,079 wrong place. I want to step back again and talk 603 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,599 about an issue that the Oversight Project has clearly looked into, 604 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,079 and it's obviously we're talking about that in the main. 605 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,960 That's voter fraud and something that you had just mentioned 606 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,480 how the state ags are not willing to get into 607 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,159 the fight, not willing to step into the fray. And 608 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480 that's problematic, but I think it points to a bigger 609 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,639 problem when we get this constant narrative from the left 610 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,960 and the accomplice media that there are very few incidents 611 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,519 of provable election fraud. It's a very rare thing. One 612 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:36,079 thing that's never pointed out in context is prosecutors across 613 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:42,599 this country are loath to take on these issues. And 614 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:46,639 so there are many more I can tell you, having 615 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,480 investigated this front, many more cases of actual voter fraud 616 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,119 what we traditionally think of as voter fraud, not just 617 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,679 the irregularities and some of the other things that we 618 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,199 saw actual law violation from election administrators, particularly in swing 619 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,119 state it's in twenty twenty, but actual election fraud. It's 620 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,440 just we don't see prosecutors engaging. Why is that it's 621 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,360 such an important topic for Americans? Why do prosecutors not engage? 622 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 3: Right, Well, there aren't that many election prosecutors in the 623 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,079 country at all, at least full time. I think Texas 624 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,159 is one of the only states that has a canful 625 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:30,000 of full time election crime prosecutors, and so the system 626 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,920 is designed not to investigate it, and then we're you know, 627 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,280 the absence of those investigations is held up to the 628 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,440 American public as proof that the dirty system is in 629 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,559 fact clean. Now, obviously that needs to change. So why 630 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:45,800 isn't the right pushing there? And I think it's because, 631 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,199 you know, there's a lot of problems on the right 632 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,400 in terms of you know, our different kind of professions. 633 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,400 You know, I could go on about the consulting class 634 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,360 and the pollsters, which are basically just parasites on the rights. 635 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: But we have a huge. 636 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 3: Problem in our legal apparatus, which is often heralded as 637 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,480 the conservative legal movement. These are people who aren't interested 638 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,760 in these types of issues. They're viewed as you know, 639 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,800 low status issues. They'd rather be dealing with things that 640 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,079 touch on regulated industry and you know, corporate power. And 641 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,559 this is a problem as old as time for the right, 642 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,760 and it's reflected in who we put on the bench, 643 00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:21,119 who we put into you know, the Supreme Court, who 644 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,079 we put in you know, a USA jobs, in a 645 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,880 Republican administration, or even in the state ags. We just 646 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920 do not have fighters on the legal side on the right, 647 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,079 and we need to fundamentally change kind of you know, 648 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,280 our recruiting structure and the people that we hold up. 649 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 2: And that's across the board too. 650 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,679 Speaker 3: It's not even just those prosecutors that we don't have, 651 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,119 but even in Congress, the people we hold up, as 652 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,400 you know, the titans of oversight, we give a pass 653 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,679 to for not getting results. And I think that's probably 654 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,320 the biggest change the right needs to have. You know, 655 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,760 it's not arguing over the policy issues, whether you think 656 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,639 it should be a six week abortion ban of zero, 657 00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,320 a twenty whatever. It's whether you're willing to fight or 658 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,719 not is the litmus test of our time, and I 659 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,920 could say without a shadow of doubt that the conservative 660 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,559 legal movement as a whole is not willing to fight. 661 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,559 Speaker 1: Well. What we know from twenty twenty one on in particular, 662 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,239 and we learned that a long time before these seminal 663 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,039 moments in our American politics is that conservatives go to jail, 664 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:24,199 Conservatives go to prison, Liberals don't. That's just the way 665 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,719 things stand in this country. Take a look at the 666 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,280 record and you'll see it. When liberals actually do go 667 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,119 to jail or prison, it's because the evidence is so 668 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,880 overwhelming that they can't possibly escape it. But that's a rarity, Mike. 669 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,559 We've talked a lot about the Oversight Project as it 670 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:46,800 relates to that critical issue Executive Order fourteen zero one 671 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,760 to nine Biden bucks. But there's a lot more that 672 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,760 the project is doing. Let's talk a little bit about that. 673 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're really focused in the election integrity space 674 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,639 right now. We have teams around the country actually internationally 675 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,719 investigating threats to our election systems. We've put out a 676 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,119 lot of critical bombshell investigative material on this, particularly in 677 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,159 illegal aliens, whether it's a legal alience obtaining fraudulent residency 678 00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,719 documents in New York, whether it's flyers being distributed in Mexico, 679 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,960 encouraging illegals to remember to vote for Joe Biden, whether 680 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,239 it's a legal alien you know, quote unquote shelters or 681 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,000 apartment complexes full of illegals who say they're registered to vote. 682 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,079 I mean, we're really illustrating this problem for the American public. 683 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,679 But we're also really focused in now on this assassination 684 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,960 attempt into President Trump, because what we're seeing is the 685 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,519 system pretending it can investigate itself. Whether it's you know, 686 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,159 Jenna Napolitano, a longtime Trump critic, leading the Department Fullman 687 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,639 Securities investigation, whether it's this you know, absurd task force 688 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,679 by partisan task force that Congress just rolled out to 689 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,840 investigate the Secret Service. And so, knowing that the system 690 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,159 cannot investigate itself, we've been investigating it. We tracked Matthew 691 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,800 Crooks's cell phone data to put out a map of 692 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,239 his known connections and pattern of life in the days 693 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,360 leading up to the shooting or the years leading up 694 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,719 to the shooting rather and really broke new investigative ground there. 695 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,920 We have a ton of ongoing investigations as it relates 696 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360 to some of the more flagrant abuses of this administration, 697 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,679 including of course the invasion of the United States, but 698 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,599 also just your standard waste brought in the abuse. There's 699 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:25,519 no shortage of investigative targets into that end. We've done 700 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:26,920 something that no one else has been able to do 701 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,039 in terms of the scale and ferocity of our push. 702 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,880 We have well over twenty five thousand floyas out there, 703 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960 and you know, only a small subset of those, about 704 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,079 one hundred we're actively litigating on. 705 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: But we're everywhere and all at once. 706 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 3: And again it's innovating these new techniques and personnel to 707 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,960 fill the void that Congress has purposely left wide open. 708 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,159 You know, Congress would like us to think, you know, 709 00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,760 with our bread and circuses, that they're actually conducting oversight. 710 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,519 You know, we were awake to this along before the 711 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,760 general public and decided we can't sit around and wait 712 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,239 for them to do it. We got to get out 713 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,280 there and do it ourselves. And you know, so that's 714 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,079 exactly what the Oversight Project is doing. 715 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: And it's not easy. We can tell you that of 716 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,760 the Federalist I mean heritage, the Federalist other watchdog organizations, 717 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,480 the countless Foyer request and the open records request and 718 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:19,519 states that you put out there, and particularly this federal government. 719 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,320 This administration is absolutely I've been doing this longer than 720 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,000 I want to admit. This is the worst administration. When 721 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,360 we talk about open government, it is absolutely closed government. 722 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,360 So ultimately you send out a lot of foyas, but 723 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,320 you get a lot of stonewalling, I would imagine as 724 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,280 we do as well. 725 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right. 726 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 3: I mean FOYA should be the most egalitarian statute of them, 727 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,400 all right. It's a reflection that the information belongs to 728 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,159 the people and the government has. 729 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 2: To give it to the people. 730 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 3: That's the purpose of FOYA as a transparency tool. What 731 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,360 it's been perverted to over time is that only those 732 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,599 with resources can get information. I had to build our 733 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,920 own custom law law firm here at the Oversight Project 734 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,119 just to sue and that's, you know, unfortunate. Like people 735 00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:09,199 should be able to get information easily out of their government, 736 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,559 especially in a time where we have advanced back end searches, 737 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,519 you know, technology, artificial intelligence. It should be the easiest 738 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:18,599 time ever to get information out of the government with 739 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:21,239 the tools available. But they've turned the statute on its 740 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,360 head and basically said, no, you have to be a 741 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,039 sophisticated actor willing to sue to get information out. And 742 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,840 so that's what we do, and it shouldn't be that way. 743 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,000 But you know, while it is that way, we're suing 744 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,920 a lot and soon as much as possible to get 745 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,880 all the information out. 746 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 2: But if you know, that needs to be reformed totally. 747 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,199 Speaker 3: It's there needs to be criminal penalties for non responses 748 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,599 and things of that nature, and information by default should 749 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:48,599 be available to the American people. I mean, when we 750 00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:51,599 talk about you know, this just complete clown narrative of 751 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:55,320 defensive democracy. The fact that this government is paying lawyers, 752 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,480 you know, tons of money the Department of Justice to 753 00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,840 refuse to turn over information is absurd. 754 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:01,199 Speaker 2: That all of us are paying. 755 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 3: To have information hidden from us, and it's just really 756 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,719 turning the concept completely on its head. 757 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,599 Speaker 1: Sounds a lot like Venezuela to me, quite frankly. Well, 758 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,119 it's critical, critical work, and nobody's doing it better than 759 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,719 the folks over at Heritage the Oversight Project. And I 760 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480 really appreciate you joining us today. 761 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate it. Appreciate the kind words and all 762 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,159 the Federalists. You know does we do a lot of 763 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:25,679 stories with you. 764 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 2: Guys. Keep up the good work. 765 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,079 Speaker 1: You've been looking forward to work as listen, you've got 766 00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,960 to keep shining that light. That's the only way we're 767 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,159 going to get people to fully understand the sort of 768 00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:41,960 abuses going on in their name and their government. Thanks 769 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,440 to my guest today, Mike Cowell, executive director of the 770 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,800 Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project, you've been listening to another edition 771 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:54,119 of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent 772 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:59,159 at the Federalist. Until we speak again, we'll be back 773 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:03,760 with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom. I'm anxious 774 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,400 for the fray