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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty second, twenty twenty four. Allegedly, according to that

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<v Speaker 2>thing we call a calendar, this is the show that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to be able to get.

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<v Speaker 3>To the internet lately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my internet's been down for the majority of many

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<v Speaker 2>hours over the past few days. So not active. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't see me on social media. I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a live show on Monday night, didn't get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we are on Tuesday, and I am able

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<v Speaker 2>to do a live show and was able to reschedule

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<v Speaker 2>from last week when I was really not feeling well.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock, So I've got him with me here on

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<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday, which is unusual, but pleased to do. So

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<v Speaker 2>why Larry's got Well, you know, it's always great to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Larry number one. He takes up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of space on my bookshelf. I've told you you got

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<v Speaker 2>to go over to Larry dash Handcocked Larry hyphenhandcock dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>follow his blog, check out as many many books. I

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<v Speaker 2>recommend all of them. And you know, we could follow

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<v Speaker 2>his work on UAPs, which he's actively involved in a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people, an academic group that is studying things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So it's not all about little green men

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. And he's also been a participant in the

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<v Speaker 2>Lancer conferences for geez a long time. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be participating this year remotely. I think he'll be running

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<v Speaker 2>the Facebook group and also, hey, doing a presentation at Lancer,

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<v Speaker 2>but he won't be there physically.

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<v Speaker 3>I will because I'm the MC.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he's also got a brand new book coming

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<v Speaker 2>out about well, something that you might care about if

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<v Speaker 2>you know what the Lancer conference is in the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Rvy Oswald, the Oswald Puzzle, and it is available.

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<v Speaker 3>For pre order.

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<v Speaker 2>I have put the link in my chat at ochelly

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, the live chat, but also I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's in the show notes and all that good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Larry, okay, I know it's geez.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly one month from now that November twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>through the twenty fourth will be alive in Dallas and

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<v Speaker 2>Lancer will commence. So how you doing tonight? And you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're feeling good about one month from now, after

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<v Speaker 2>I travel a while and you turn on your computer

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<v Speaker 2>and get into the Facebook group on that Friday, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you feeling about that, and how are you feeling

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<v Speaker 2>in general, Larry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling good in general. I feel it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>strange because the temperature here this week is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be going into the nineties. So the thought that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Lancer and the conference in Dallas is that close, it

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't doesn't feel right. You know, it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>fall here yet, so how could we possibly be having

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<v Speaker 1>a conference? So that that seems a little strange. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will say my co author on the Oswald Postle,

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<v Speaker 1>David Boylan, will be in Dallas and in person, and

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<v Speaker 1>he will be representing us, and so we'll be We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be jointly doing a presentation. I'll join him remotely, but

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<v Speaker 1>he will be there in person to take questions. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so between the two of us we have

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<v Speaker 1>one one physical participation. So I do wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>be there, but it's just not happening this year, and

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I was going to ask you if it

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<v Speaker 2>did feel odd you're not going, but uh, are you

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to be live remotely or are we just

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<v Speaker 2>going to get a recording of you remotely? And then

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<v Speaker 2>David's going to handle all the live stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'll be live. Uh, that'll bring us in and

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<v Speaker 1>actually David will run our PowerPoint and uh, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>doing the presentation. You may join in on questions where

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<v Speaker 1>the title of the presentation kind of interesting. The title

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<v Speaker 1>is Oswell gaming the FBI. The effective on the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between Oswell and the FBI will be revealed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little different than many people's views.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, hardly anybody usually mentions Oswald in the FBI, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the jump to the immediate preoccupation is always Oswald in

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA. And we've learned a lot about that in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years. Even was, you know, the whole standard answer

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<v Speaker 2>that they were never interested in Lee Harvey Oswald whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, he was a loser, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Kinda doesn't hold all as much water as they said

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<v Speaker 2>for many years in the day. I do mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>the the sort of powers that be, the establishment so

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<v Speaker 2>so so to speak, had always maintained that Oswald was

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<v Speaker 2>not useful to the CIA. The CIA wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>interested in him, And of course John Newman wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>whole book on it called ironically Oswald and the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Oswald in the FBI. Oswald and what.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he doing during certain times he was speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>To the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that factually, even if you don't go and

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<v Speaker 2>do you know the the more far flung theories, we

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<v Speaker 2>know factually he was interacting with the FBI. So it

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<v Speaker 2>would be interesting he was gaming the FBI or Oswald.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just a provocative statement in and of itself. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna make some new friends and some new enemies

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<v Speaker 2>there you think in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect we will, and I think a number of

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<v Speaker 1>people who haven't really read the documents on Oswald's test

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<v Speaker 1>statements to both the New Orleans Police Department and the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI may want to go back and reread them because

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at what Oswa was actually telling, the folks,

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<v Speaker 1>ay it was all a lie and b it was

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<v Speaker 1>something that the FBI had to be taking quite seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>seriously enough, So I'll get out and say it. They

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<v Speaker 1>buy the book, they should have at least considered him

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<v Speaker 1>as a potential subversive informant because of the information he

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<v Speaker 1>was following tearing to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, are you going to cover the fact that alert

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<v Speaker 2>that seemed to get dropped right before the assassination? You

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<v Speaker 2>know something that I don't know, maybe should have been

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<v Speaker 2>kept in place. Are you going to go over that

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing and explain that. I mean, I know Newman's

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<v Speaker 2>done a pretty interesting presentation on it years and years

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<v Speaker 2>ago in fact, and you know, even people who have

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<v Speaker 2>a very superficial understanding of the case, maybe we're very

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<v Speaker 2>much into the JFK movie, might recall that even during

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<v Speaker 2>these little rushes in that movie, he's supposedly trying to

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<v Speaker 2>contact an FBI agent in the movie named John Quigley. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the names are changed and swapped around in

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<v Speaker 2>that movie, and very, very many things were not known

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<v Speaker 2>at that time because the JFK Records Act had not

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<v Speaker 2>come to fruition when Oliver Stone was making this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and again it was not meant to be a one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent factual all the way through, et cetera. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he actually asked to speak to an FBI agent when

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<v Speaker 2>he's arrested for something, and that's kind of weird. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just arrested for disturbing the piece. Basically, he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't think that most people would ask to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>an FBI agent unless there was a good reason for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask us generally had good reasons for what he did,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we yeah, we do spend in the book,

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<v Speaker 1>we go into that period of time in great detail.

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<v Speaker 1>We also, I mean, one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>think most people don't appreciate and which I did not

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate when I was first writing about Oswald or the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy assassination, was something that Stu Westley and I learned

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<v Speaker 1>when we were researching the Keen assassination. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>really how the FBI operated, how it's local offices operated,

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<v Speaker 1>What they told headquarters, what they told other offices, who

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<v Speaker 1>copied what on whom, and who who knew what at

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<v Speaker 1>a given time. And again we often think of information

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<v Speaker 1>as being compartmentalized within the CIA, Well, information was compartmentalized

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<v Speaker 1>within the FBI as well. And one of the purposes

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<v Speaker 1>for compartmentalizing information was the FBI each field office actually

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<v Speaker 1>had a quota of criminal informants, criminal sources, subversive informants

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<v Speaker 1>versus forces. They were required to go out prospecting and

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<v Speaker 1>identify certain number of people every month, make up list,

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<v Speaker 1>work them, move them from one classification to another. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things the office was rated on

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<v Speaker 1>and Again, when you actually read enough FBI reports, you

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<v Speaker 1>see that in a lot of instances what the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>offices were really doing was just that they weren't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>certainly they did investigationations, but a good part of their

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<v Speaker 1>time was spent on just identifying and cultivating sources. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't. For example, in Dallas, Jack Ruby for a

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<v Speaker 1>period of time was identified as a source, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he was a provisional criminal informant, and then after they

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<v Speaker 1>either used him and decided to take that out of

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<v Speaker 1>the record because the testimony was offered in confidence in court,

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<v Speaker 1>he was moved off that list. But to some of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, unless you understand the operations of the FBI, again,

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<v Speaker 1>as per usual, many things look mysterious unless you know

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<v Speaker 1>what standard practices are. And I think now once we

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<v Speaker 1>got a good taste for standard practices, it's easier to

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<v Speaker 1>see what easier to see what is anomalous and what

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<v Speaker 1>is not. And one of the things I will just

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<v Speaker 1>point out in regard to this, it's somewhat fascinating that

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<v Speaker 1>virtually everybody in the FBI who touched Oswald got reprimanded

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<v Speaker 1>by direct Hoover after the fact. Some of them, like

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<v Speaker 1>host he got moved to other assignments which were not

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<v Speaker 1>good assignments. The only people in the in for organization

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<v Speaker 1>who were not criticized, critiqued or penalized by Hoover with

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<v Speaker 1>the people in New Orleans, which raises a really interesting fact.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, what they appear to have gotten off scott free,

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<v Speaker 1>which raises a big question as to why did they

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<v Speaker 1>do something right? Did they do something wrong? Hoover wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover was quite ready to deal with anybody he felt

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<v Speaker 1>did something wrong. But here we have Oswald talking at

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<v Speaker 1>some links to the FBI and an FBI investigation in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, and it like it just disappears afterwards. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>agent Deburys is given authorization from the Justice Department not

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<v Speaker 1>to answer certain questions. So New Orleans, the experience in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans is quite different than the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>Oswald, right, That's why I found it interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Joan mellen Wentz goes into a bunch of stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>Debrui's debris. However it is you want to say his name,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and focused on him quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>People criticize that, you know, basically saying, look, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. But it is when you consider what

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<v Speaker 2>you just said, which is that, look, if everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>that pretty much touched him got punished one way or another, reprimanded, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>except those guys, then well, that means one of two

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<v Speaker 2>interesting things to me in my mind, Either they did

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<v Speaker 2>something very right and therefore were not worthy of punishment,

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<v Speaker 2>or there was something that needed to not be delved

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<v Speaker 2>into that needed to be put aside so that nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, let's not even dig into.

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<v Speaker 2>This at all, because if we do, it might kick

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<v Speaker 2>over something else, you know. And that's another consideration here

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<v Speaker 2>that I think people forget about, which is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it may not be primarily and I think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>case with a whole bunch of things that people have

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<v Speaker 2>discovered over the years, where they think things are very

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious because oh, this person must be important because they

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<v Speaker 2>were not delved into. And I say, no, not necessarily them,

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<v Speaker 2>but something that's connected to them could.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you I don't know, maybe I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm trying to get at here?

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<v Speaker 2>When you don't want to, Okay, if it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>what Oswald did. Maybe it is something that was around

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<v Speaker 2>him that they didn't want, Like with the clay Shaw situation.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why the CIA was resistant, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's because he was ause somebody who was useful

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<v Speaker 2>to the agency and they didn't necessarily want to reveal

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the hell else he was connected to, you know

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, which always manages to revealing your other sources. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the fascinating things that we know now that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>knew before Garrison, or to some extent even after Garrison

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<v Speaker 1>until the HSCA is virtually everyone that Oswald contacted in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, certainly in the Cuban community, but even in

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<v Speaker 1>the thought that he would be collecting information from all

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<v Speaker 1>of fascinating. If anything, it's interesting to turn around and go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what did they report about him? If we know they're

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<v Speaker 1>and they were reporting on so in any event, but

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<v Speaker 1>so to answer your overall question, we spend a good

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll be that will be the focus of

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any touching upon this whole thing with what

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<v Speaker 2>becomes ice immigration and all that, because there was a

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<v Speaker 2>discussion about that, uh in a couple of books before,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was also something about him maybe being involved

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<v Speaker 3>Do do you end up touching upon any of that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Talked about I N S. Interestingly enough, the first person

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<v Speaker 1>to actually interview Oswald after his arrest and after he

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<v Speaker 1>spent the night in jail was somebody from I N S.

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<v Speaker 1>Because uh, New Orleans PD for some reason reached the conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps because he had been protesting forecastro on Cuba, that

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald was Cuban. So the first thing that they did

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<v Speaker 1>was called I N S over determine whether this person

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<v Speaker 1>there was an involvement there, and and I S did

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<v Speaker 1>the picture. Now that doesn't mean that they dropped out

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<v Speaker 1>of the picture entirely. So there is there is a

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<v Speaker 1>documented I n S connection, and as far as Customs

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, Oswell, of course was was leaf liting in

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<v Speaker 1>the dock area. And Oswald had you remember, Oswald had

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<v Speaker 1>as a courier and for and for companies that were

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, just to clarify, I said ICE, I should

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<v Speaker 2>have said Immigration and Naturalization Services because that's I n

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<v Speaker 2>s uh. But later on, I mean, that's what ICE

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<v Speaker 2>covers now, but it was then it was iron S. Then, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I do find it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've read somewhere, and it just I don't even see

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<v Speaker 1>how I can fathom this. Somebody wrote that Lee Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Oswell was actually working for either Customs or Ions and

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<v Speaker 1>had a desk in their office. Kind of like, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that did not happen. I'm sorry. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>you got that. I don't know who said that, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just no sign that sort of thing happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, a lot of times when a couple

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it just seems to be a very common thing,

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<v Speaker 3>don't they.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you probably know which jokes I'm referring to there,

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll leave it at that, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a desk in somebody's office, even if the office

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't contain desks, right, anyways, it just happens that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But but back to the seriousness of this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall about the book though?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, now that you've completed it and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're no longer working on it, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the photographs. I mean, we talked about the photographic section

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<v Speaker 2>last time. What do you think Do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a very serious change in

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<v Speaker 2>the way people that mew Oswald? Or have you only

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<v Speaker 2>made some minor adjustments? Do you think it's radical or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it will be a different, a serious change, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that. It's not just a tweaking. And

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing we finished it has an extremely extensive index.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the last task that we finished. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be it will be extreme from both views. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely different picture of Oswald than the official story.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite frankly, it's certainly an extremely different version and the

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<v Speaker 1>Warrant Commission presented and it's a much different version than

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<v Speaker 1>much has been written about in the conspiracy community. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've tried to be very balanced with this, which

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<v Speaker 1>that means we will annoy all parties, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>way history is supposed to work. It's not supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the agenda driven. So and I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing, and I pointed out it's some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things in the book are developmental. They're not sound bites.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were just to say it, you would go,

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<v Speaker 1>huh what. But if you read you know, the ten

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<v Speaker 1>pages in front of it, the fifty pages in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it, the continuity, the context, it has to be

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<v Speaker 1>taken as a whole because Oswald, as an individual with

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<v Speaker 1>his own agendas, is a developmental thing and has to

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<v Speaker 1>be taken as a whole. So I think that's all

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<v Speaker 1>Also one of the reasons will be a bit contrarian

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<v Speaker 1>because up to now, all of us, including me, have

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<v Speaker 1>written bits and pieces about Oswald, and we picked the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that fit what we were writing about and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of threw him into the mix. But this is quite

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<v Speaker 1>different from that perspective. It's it's very developmental and constantly

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question does this make sense and what we've

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<v Speaker 1>already learned in light of what we've already learned?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And so in fact, we have a live comment

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<v Speaker 2>that that's kind of interesting because we were discussing I

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<v Speaker 2>in S a few minutes ago, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>live comment is from Kevin Florida, and his whole thing is, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to condense what you said, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes perfect sense that the I n S would

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<v Speaker 2>be interested in Oswald anyway due to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he had a Russian wife. So there should be something

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<v Speaker 2>that we can track with the I in S records

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<v Speaker 2>regarding that alone. And to his knowledge, he's never seen

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<v Speaker 2>anybody really lay that out. He is, after all married

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<v Speaker 2>to Marina. He brought her from Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>That was an unusual situation. And what about that? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that covered in your book? No, it is not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the State department side of that. Again, his

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<v Speaker 1>we cover in great deal his exchanges with the State Department,

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<v Speaker 1>a role that the State Department played that may have

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<v Speaker 1>been secret quite frankly, a negotiation with Oswald. We cover

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<v Speaker 1>the State Department side of things as far as getting

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<v Speaker 1>Lee and Marina into the United States, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>we'd cover it from a domestics OP, domestic OP, CIA

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<v Speaker 1>and FBI perspective. But as far as I in S

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<v Speaker 1>Is concerned, you know, the state Department that, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>put it, all the paperwork was in place for her

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<v Speaker 1>to legally be inside the United States. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would expect those records would have been on file,

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<v Speaker 1>would have been copied, but I'm not sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>definitely had files on him. And as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like when the I n S guy was

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<v Speaker 1>have checked his files on Oswald or at least put

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<v Speaker 1>in a query, because you can see in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the police question of Oswald himself, the I N S

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<v Speaker 1>officer does do some work on Oswald and then assures,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, n O PD that he is an American citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing here is uh the the question about At

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<v Speaker 2>one point a character was mentioned by by the attorney

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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans that was played by John Candy in

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<v Speaker 2>the film. The guy can't remember his name at the moment, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but the guy was who was the uh that jazz

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<v Speaker 2>talking attorney in New Orleans? Named Oswaldo something or other.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that maybe a confusion of oswald and a Cuban

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<v Speaker 2>identity that was just floating around?

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<v Speaker 3>What about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly there was in Oswaldo as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look in the crypt files, I mean, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there were there was at least one and perhaps more

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban exile that used the name Oswaldo. Uh uh, so

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<v Speaker 1>that could have been some confusion. Uh, there's there's no

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<v Speaker 1>indication that oswald himself was ever called that or used

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<v Speaker 1>that with anybody. Yeah, but there were there were Cubans

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<v Speaker 1>and actually I think, as I recall David's probably we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've looked at the files of two or three individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that even were cleared by CIA for various operations where

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<v Speaker 1>oswald was a, if not a war name, at least

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<v Speaker 1>a name associated with the individual. But I'm not I

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<v Speaker 1>would not say that that has anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the attorney that you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dean Andrews is the guy, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that he couldn't remember the name, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was Dean Andrews, and Dean Andrews had mentioned that on

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<v Speaker 2>the NBC special and it actually named this Oswaldo something

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<v Speaker 2>or other during that discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as one of a group of a group of

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<v Speaker 1>people that came to visitors office. I think there were

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<v Speaker 1>there other young Cubans that were supposed to be also

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<v Speaker 1>along during that visit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, And that's what that was about. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the guy was referring to when he was asking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But he was just wondering if there was

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<v Speaker 2>possibly just a confusion of that name. But what you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying is that name existed independent of Lee Harvey Oswald's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think there could

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<v Speaker 1>have been. There could have been a confusion with an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>a Cuban actually, who was using the name Oswaldo, but

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<v Speaker 1>not our Lee Harvey Oswald.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, just hey, I'm just you know, asking the

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<v Speaker 2>questions as they're handed to me, and uh oh sure

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<v Speaker 2>that one was a little messy, but I figured we'll

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<v Speaker 2>put it in.

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<v Speaker 1>I was quite surprised, you know, when we ran across

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<v Speaker 1>the files of I think even like I say, more

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<v Speaker 1>than one Oswaldough. It's like, okay, that's interesting. Wasn't expecting that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's almost like how many guys named Martin

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<v Speaker 2>there were, which I found funny from last year's Lancer conference.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are a ton of.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, and uh, you know, we won't even get into

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<v Speaker 1>Hernandez and Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 2>Hernandez Rodriguez, Oh my goodness. Uh yeah, I mean in

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<v Speaker 2>first name and last name. By the way, you never

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<v Speaker 2>know where it's gonna go. H what was it Hernandez

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<v Speaker 2>I think was a first name even.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, and DFA, as long as we were talking, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI kept transposing them. It's like, wait a minute, could

423
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<v Speaker 1>you guys at least keep the Spanish names in the

424
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<v Speaker 1>right sequence. Yeah, that that's just really be helpful.

425
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was actually referring to is that when

426
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<v Speaker 2>depending on what you're reading, it can go one way

427
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<v Speaker 2>or the other, and it gets very confusing, especially when

428
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>you have something that sounds similar.

429
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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think it's a bad question.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Is Oswaldo possibly just a you know, weird transposition of

431
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 2>them thinking he's Cuban?

432
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Anyways, So aside.

433
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<v Speaker 2>From this, we also in the past, well what is

434
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<v Speaker 2>it now, about fifteen days I guess, since the big

435
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<v Speaker 2>announcement from well, you know, the vice president there of

436
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the Mary Farrell Foundation, right vice chair whatever it is

437
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>they call him, Jefferson Morley put out announcement that he

438
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<v Speaker 2>had a you know, an earth shattering sort of thing

439
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that the media had to catch and I went over

440
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 2>it and had my views on it. Did you take

441
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 2>a look at what he put out and what are

442
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.640
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts if you have any? Oh?

443
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there were there were several pieces that were kind

444
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 1>of melted together and what Jeff published, But I think

445
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 1>that what his the real main thrust was that he

446
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:04.200
<v Speaker 1>had found the source a whistleblower and collected some information,

447
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and the two main points of information, although again for

448
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>us it's probably not shocking for the general public, maybe

449
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 1>it's a different story, but the two main points where

450
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>the source had confirmed to him having seen a physical

451
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 1>container that had material in it labeled JFK assassination that

452
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>had been isolated in a not part of the CIA's

453
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 1>on headquarters building. It was a secure facility. But you know,

454
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, there's this box of JFK related materials

455
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.279
<v Speaker 1>that's still setting around over there and has never been

456
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>shared with anyone apparently, which is kind of curious at

457
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.799
<v Speaker 1>this stage, you know. But I think the more important

458
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 1>thing was that the same individual stated that they had

459
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<v Speaker 1>actually come across a file which was and CIA Inspector's

460
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>General file, and the Inspector General's file had to do

461
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>with the CIA's behavior during the House Select Committee on

462
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Assassinations inquiry, and the way I read it essentially was

463
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the ig was evaluating what they had done and more

464
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 1>or less commending them for their ability to shield information

465
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>from the HSCA. It was kind of a read the

466
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 1>work you did, and you did a good job, and

467
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>know they didn't learn what they wanted to learn. Now,

468
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 1>that's that would be far more dramatic from my perspective

469
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>that the existence of that would be explosive if someone

470
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>could actually turn that up, because that would, you know,

471
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>confirm that at the highest level a government agency was

472
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 1>commending itself on how well it had done as an

473
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>agent and see not an individual CIA officer, Okay, we've

474
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>seen that all the time. People have you know, committed

475
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>perjury and have been happy, But that the agency itself

476
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>had had had an organized effort to withhold information that

477
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I would consider explosive.

478
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

479
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, especially because you're talking about a congressional committee which

480
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>is investigating the circumstances which we already know. I mean,

481
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what anybody says, we already know George

482
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Joe and Edes Okay was sent over there in bad

483
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>faith to run interference.

484
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 3>There's no other answer for.

485
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Why he was there, and they were lied to about that,

486
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, g Robert Blakey for years.

487
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.799
<v Speaker 1>We also know that CIA officer was was literally caught

488
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>red handed rifling through an HSCA evidence safe.

489
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, having to do with the you're talking about, Oh

490
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 2>my goodness, the guy's name Regis, But kidding, no.

491
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. No. Sorry, So that's why I

492
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>say to us in our community, you know, it's like

493
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>we're we're kind of like, well, g Jeff, we already

494
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 1>knew that they were trying to stiff the hsc A. Well,

495
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the general public does not necessarily know that. And if

496
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>there truly was an IG report, you know, unfortunately, all

497
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got is a whistle blower who's under protection. Now

498
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>we have no idea how Jeff is handling that understander

499
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>whistle blower guidelines, but you know, if that that would

500
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>be a major story. I think. I think the other

501
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>thing that one of the reasons why the box of

502
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the box of materials is really not so stunning is

503
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>we know that there. Even the HSCA was told and

504
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 1>hsc A staff members listen to tapes, okay, that we're

505
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.559
<v Speaker 1>never put into evidence. We know, we know that there

506
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>were agreements between the hs c A and the c

507
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 1>i A that you know, people could listen to information,

508
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>people could view things, but it wasn't going to be

509
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 1>provided physically and they couldn't have copies. So we know

510
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>that game was played. Now. According to Jeff, the whistleblower

511
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.279
<v Speaker 1>actually made the comment that the i g's report appeared

512
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>to comment that mister Blakey was not nearly as inquisitive

513
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>as they were afraid the event and had been essentially

514
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 1>more gullible. I think we were generally of that opinion

515
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 1>within the community before, so that might have been not

516
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>been shocking. But the fact that the that the c

517
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I could We knew they were playing games, right, Chuck.

518
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 1>We knew there was there's every sign that they were.

519
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>They were walking a very tight line, and that stuff

520
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>existed that the HSCA did not manage to collect and

521
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>take into evidence. Now, if you're going to play that game, A,

522
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>are you going to leave that at CIA headquarters? Are

523
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you going to put you know, the photos and the

524
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>tapes and a little box and storm and a sub

525
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>facility that nobody ever looked worries about.

526
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

527
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I will say this, At one point in time Stu

528
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Wexler and I were tipped off by Malcolm Blunt that

529
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:36.079
<v Speaker 1>there was a box within Justice Department in a safe

530
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 1>and a walk in safe that said JFK assassination materials.

531
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And actually Stu we jumped through the hoops contacted people

532
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and actually traced it down and they acknowledged that that

533
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.039
<v Speaker 1>box was there and that they'd opened it up and

534
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>that there was nothing significant in it, right, Like, Okay,

535
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I trust that, but you know, so the fact that

536
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there could be little boxes left dangling out in different

537
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>facilities is not a shocker to me.

538
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

539
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>The thing that I was starting to refer to, and

540
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember the exact agents, but there were two

541
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 2>guys that were punished I think when autopsy materials were

542
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>mishandled during the HSCA. That's what you were referring to, though, right.

543
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, correct, it was autopsy materials photos or X rays

544
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

545
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely was images and it was supposed to be

546
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>kept in a secured safe and only viewed through a

547
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>certain procedure and all this other stuff, and yeah, these

548
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>two guys got there's a hearing about it. There's an

549
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.519
<v Speaker 2>audio hearing about it. I don't remember. I'd probably have

550
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>to look it up. But the truth is that there

551
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>was two guys that ended up getting in some trouble here,

552
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 2>but also Blakey for years and years, right, they used

553
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>to haul him out for all sorts of the documentaries

554
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>to have him say, no, I'm pretty sure the CIA

555
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>was straight with me about stuff. He said that for

556
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of years until he has confronted with a

557
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>few things. Indeed, I think what Tunaim even went to

558
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 2>him and said a few things to him, you know.

559
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Did you realize this or did you realize that?

560
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>And in recent years I think he's finally said, you know, well,

561
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I think they might have misled me. But it only

562
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>took about forty years to get there, right, I.

563
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Mean, And that would actually seem to if there was

564
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>such a thing as this mysterious IT report their assessment was,

565
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, that would tend to confirm their assessment that

566
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 1>it was possible to play the CIA. Another piece of

567
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>evidence that we have on that I've written about is

568
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 1>that you know, sixty Minutes did an investigation of some

569
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 1>documents information about Oswald in the Soviet Union that the

570
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 1>CIA apparently held and denied, although I have no idea

571
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>why they would deny that, since everybody was aware from

572
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, but we even you know, during that piece,

573
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we had ended up with documents essentially suggesting that they

574
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 1>had had managed to dodge a bullet, that that materials

575
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>had not actually made it onto sixty Minutes, that they

576
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>had able to been able to divert the whole matter.

577
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>And so we do know that the CIA, you know,

578
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to corroborate just with Blower. We do know that the

579
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 1>CIA was actively involved in trying to control information related

580
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>to the HSCA, that they did an effective job of

581
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 1>it in many instances, and apparently we're quite happy about

582
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>the fact that how they were managed to carry that off.

583
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's a lot to that, I mean.

584
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So overall, though you would say that it is

585
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you see, I don't know if the general public would

586
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>find it earth shattering either, but it's definitely interesting. And

587
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 2>if we have a you know, still living whistleblower that

588
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>could come out with some information, obviously it would have

589
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 2>to be more detailed than what was released to really

590
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>land I think, or if there is some more documentation

591
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that should be collected, that should be brought into the collection,

592
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's get this over with. I mean, is

593
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 2>sixty years not long enough already? You know, I don't know.

594
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just me and that whole idea I have

595
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 2>in my head that you know, just seems to me

596
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 2>like they should have released all this stuff already. But

597
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 2>still that's going on, dragging of the feet. Nobody's quite

598
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>gotten there.

599
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:47.880
<v Speaker 3>And yet what do.

600
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>They try to tell us all the time, and what

601
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>have they been telling us now for decades? Look, whatever's

602
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>left in there, there's nothing important anyway, There's nothing that's

603
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>going to really make a difference, Larry, isn't that the

604
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>general IMPRESSI that we're supposed to take from all this right,

605
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>according to well the CIA and the government in general. Right,

606
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>just look, there's some things still classified, but none of

607
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>that's going to tell you anything, Come on, right.

608
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I think the real cut of that though, that sometimes

609
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>get what they're what they're really saying is there's nothing

610
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 1>specific to do with the assassination. You know, the documents

611
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 1>that and we do kind of lose sight of the

612
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that when these documents were collected, both originally you know,

613
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>by the different government inquiries and then under the JFK

614
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Records Act, it was very It's like using a bulldozer.

615
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>There was no investigative body following leads and collecting stuff

616
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 1>that was particularly relevant. It was more like, Okay, you guys,

617
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 1>go through the master files, the headquarter files, and anything

618
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you see associated with the CIA and JFK or CIA

619
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in Cuba or Sierra Russia. Just bring it all in,

620
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>which is why so many of us has spent so

621
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.320
<v Speaker 1>long looking at materials that are very historically significant and

622
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>they're great for historians of that era and the Kennedy administration,

623
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but they really do not have anything to do with

624
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the assassination. And you and I have talked about this

625
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>previous land and that's the fact that to a large extent,

626
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>if the CIA, who was not assigned to investigate the assassination,

627
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it didn't. I mean, there are CIA records

628
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that are useful and interesting and helpful for us to

629
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>investigate it, but they didn't investigate it except for the

630
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 1>one report out of jf WAVE where they did and

631
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 1>it disappeared. But other than that one report. So we

632
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<v Speaker 1>face the fact that they're literally tens of thousands of

633
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<v Speaker 1>pages of information that were scooped up, some of which

634
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<v Speaker 1>they consider, you know, we need to sanitize it, and

635
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<v Speaker 1>you know, but it's not like I will. I have

636
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to say, I don't expect that there. I still don't

637
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<v Speaker 1>expect there is a smoking gun document there that's like

638
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the CIA investigation of the assassination that says who did

639
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>it that they're not sharing with us.

640
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that, But I'll tell you something else.

641
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>And I have this weird open question for you, And

642
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's a silly one, Isn't there though a ton

643
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 2>of Inspector General reports that you would think would logically

644
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 2>exist based on the fact that there were a bunch

645
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and I do mean more than one. Inspector General should

646
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>have had reports evaluating a whole bunch of different elements here,

647
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>you know the investigation, how about you know the IG

648
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>reports on.

649
00:38:59.079 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>The Secret Service?

650
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 2>I do mean multiple reports should have been generated regarding

651
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service. How about you know the CIA, Yeah,

652
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>they should have had one. There should have been inspector

653
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 2>general reports from many agencies that I don't think have

654
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 2>been I don't know revealed or have been studied up

655
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<v Speaker 2>to this time.

656
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong about that?

657
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Because it just seems logically there should be a ton

658
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>more than I've ever seen.

659
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>There should Well, let's look at who has an Inspector General.

660
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Speaker 1>The FBI really did not, right, the Justice Department did.

661
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 1>There There should have been a Justice Department report on

662
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the performance of the FBI. Absolutely, yeah, not within the FBI,

663
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>but in Justice Department. Although at the time the problem

664
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<v Speaker 1>with with you know, with the Attorney General being RFK.

665
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, RFK would have had to order that. R

666
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>have had to prove it. It's not automatically going to

667
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>be done unless somebody is tasked with it. And Inspector

668
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 1>General's report on projects, big projects that the agency does,

669
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and quite frankly, they're usually not so much. Sometimes their

670
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>performance reports, like the IG reports on the Cuba project

671
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 1>and the Bay of Pigs, you know, if there's something

672
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>at that level. Otherwise, a lot of what the ig

673
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>IG does is financial. Quite frankly, how are we handling money?

674
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 4>You know?

675
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>How how are the different groups? Uh, you know, we've

676
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 1>seen IG reports all over the place within the military.

677
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>But so okay, back back to your question. So we

678
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<v Speaker 1>write off the FBI. Probably we write off the Justice Department,

679
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the c I A well, the CIA's position is going

680
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to be, we had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination.

681
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>We weren't asked to investigate it, and so we weren't

682
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>tasked with it. So the IGS, you know, we weren't

683
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>tasked to do anything. We didn't do anything. What would

684
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 1>the IG have to report on the department that you

685
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>would expect to see it come out of, as you're

686
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about, would be the Secret Service? Right there, certainly

687
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 1>should be an IG report on the Secret Service handling

688
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 1>of the protection of the president, and that appears to

689
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 1>be missing.

690
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a key, but I'm saying I still feel

691
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>like there should be a whole lot of other reports there,

692
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 2>especially because Okay, there's another weird thing that comes to

693
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>mind here, and I am pulling random questions out of

694
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 2>the air, Larry, because this is I'm just having an

695
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 2>open discussion with you.

696
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Right. Here's the thing.

697
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you recall this, but somewhere around

698
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.079
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fifth anniversary, there were claims that there was

699
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 2>a Department of Justice inquiry into the case. Okay, and

700
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 2>there were people that stated that they were approached by

701
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 2>individuals claiming to be from the DJ We have never

702
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>seen evidence of that investigation in any files anywhere. Do

703
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you think this is pigment of the imagination that's gotten

704
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 2>spread around because it seems rather odd to me some

705
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of the people that have reported about this, For instance,

706
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the photographer's family that was you know, connected to the

707
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.159
<v Speaker 2>to the White House, right, his family said there was

708
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>some sort of investigation around that time period. There were

709
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of other people that stated this, a couple

710
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of former FBI agents that said something about it.

711
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>And I've never.

712
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Seen I've heard that too, Chuck, and I've heard. I mean,

713
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>there are people. But one of the things that gets

714
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 1>confusing is you had talked about you know, I gez.

715
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things that gets confus using about,

716
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of course, is there there have on occasion, you know,

717
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>we've we've had congressional investigators. We had congressional investigators that

718
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.719
<v Speaker 1>were asking questions before the Church Committee, right right, Uh,

719
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>we had congressional investigators that were asking questions before the HSCA.

720
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>We've had It's really hard to parse out. You know, Yes,

721
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 1>I talked to somebody and they were on a fact

722
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>finding mission and they asked this or that, Well, was

723
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 1>that relevant to an investigation that jail later? Who was

724
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, unless you know who that they were working

725
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>for or were they just working for a congressman That

726
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:48.679
<v Speaker 1>happens to Uh. Congress persons have have pursued these things

727
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>for their own particular agendas and interest. So, yeah, if

728
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>you can't connect the dots, but I I've heard of

729
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I've heard of those two like, well, somebody was here

730
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 1>talking to me about Well, tell me exactly when and

731
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>what agency were they from, and what were they going

732
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 1>to do with it, and maybe we could parse it out.

733
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But I've never seen that level of specificity. It was

734
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 1>just somebody was asking about this.

735
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

736
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>The only reason why I find it out is because

737
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it's in the nineteen eighties. It's in the late eighties

738
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>that this happened, and from what I could tell, there

739
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 2>is no investigation current to this. There's no reason for it.

740
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

741
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>That may be, it may be that some congress person

742
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was considering it and didn't get enough information to push

743
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>it right, But I can't see why any agency itself,

744
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.679
<v Speaker 1>I could I cannot. I could see why the CIA

745
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>would rea you know it sert itself into the HSCA.

746
00:44:53.679 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>But as you say, there's no known official congressional or

747
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>other government inquiry going on in the art. What I'd

748
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>have to do is which I can't do, I said,

749
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.079
<v Speaker 1>is you know what political access might have been ground

750
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 1>in that time period where somebody was looking to pursue

751
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this because of their interest or because it you know,

752
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it represented a political leverage for them or whatever. But uh,

753
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:31.079
<v Speaker 1>we do know quite that congressional committees have asked questions,

754
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 1>not standing committees, not special committees, but standing committees on intelligence,

755
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 1>standing committees on you know, on different subjects, have have

756
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>freely sent people out to ask questions. Uh, over time.

757
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Well that was my next Yeah, that was my next

758
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of question for you, was about the idea that, look,

759
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>we have standing committees on intelligence, right, and if somebody

760
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 2>says that something links back to that in some way

761
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>or other, you could have somebody emerge and say, well,

762
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>let's talk to somebody who was in that office in

763
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, and therefore it would cross back over.

764
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 3>The Kennedy assassination, right, And we're.

765
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Seeing that it really the questions may have been about

766
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 1>how a department was operating you know, never know, maybe

767
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 1>they're investing. They might have an inquiry going on into

768
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>into a department that they're you know, have concerns about,

769
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 1>are investigating, and they're just trying to pull up some history.

770
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Like these guys have a background of screwing up or

771
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 1>covering up information. Uh. But I will tell you right

772
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, we're seeing the same thing in regard

773
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to UFOs. Okay, right, there are a couple of there's

774
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 1>one committee in the Senate, one committee in the House.

775
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>The House in particular has investigators out asking lots of

776
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 1>people questions about UFOs. There's some political agendas at work,

777
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.119
<v Speaker 1>and there is no there's no House committee. Mean, there

778
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 1>is an affairs committee. It's not even an intelligence committee.

779
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 1>And what they're really trying to do is dig up

780
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>dirt on misbehavior, harassment of whistleblowers, this and that. I'm

781
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 1>not even saying it's all wrong, but there is it's

782
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 1>a sitting committee, but there is no special committee on

783
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the subject.

784
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Yet.

785
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>The Citying Committee and each congress person can do this

786
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 1>by themselves, right, They don't have to have the committee

787
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 1>behind them. They can have staffers go out to collect

788
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>information on subjects they want to pursue.

789
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, like, my thought is, if somebody wanted to look

790
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 2>into presidential or Secret Service protection and say, okay, you

791
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>know the recent attempts on Trump, right, you would say, okay, well,

792
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.400
<v Speaker 2>there have been failures in the past.

793
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe we go out and ask questions.

794
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Of people that might know something a little bit more

795
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.199
<v Speaker 2>about what happened to Ronald Reagan. Yeah, maybe we ask

796
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>some people about what happened to Gerald Ford. Maybe we

797
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.039
<v Speaker 2>ask about other failures in the past, whether the assass

798
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and succeeded or not according to the official record. And

799
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 2>you might tip over some Kennedy stuff while you're at it,

800
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>but only because they're building a history on again failures

801
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 2>by the Secret Service in the past. And well, one

802
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>would say that November the month.

803
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you you would love to have it

804
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>in it. It's saying not only have they screwed up,

805
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 1>but they have covered it up.

806
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.360
<v Speaker 2>And here's an example, right, especially when you're looking at

807
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is there a way to you know, improve this?

808
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, how do we prevent this?

809
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 2>You would think that was one of the main priorities

810
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Secret Service following nineteen sixty three, and yet

811
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>we ended up with another rash of attempts, right.

812
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know in the seventies.

813
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

814
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>And I brought it up on here that there have

815
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 2>been many failed attempts that have you know, not gone

816
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>as well. For the assassins even you know, they're not

817
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>necessarily the big headlines because nobody got close. But when

818
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody got close to Trump, there there you go. Now

819
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the discussions come back open.

820
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

821
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, they could even go into the

822
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Reagan stuff. They could go in to Gerald Ford had

823
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 2>uniquely two female assassin attempts.

824
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, Ama Clinton. I mean, the Secret Service, unfortunately, especially internationally,

825
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:15.760
<v Speaker 1>has a woeful record of their agent's behavior, right. I

826
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 1>mean that as compared to military organizations whatever. They just

827
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 1>they really have a poor track record, whether it's drinking

828
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>or prostitutes or whatever. And people have investigated that over

829
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and over again, and I'm not sure that there's been

830
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 1>any sign of institutional change.

831
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, although occasionally, what you know, you get a little

832
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>reprimand you get a little hey, these guys could have

833
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 2>done better, whatever, But the behavior pattern persists because like

834
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you said, I mean, we see the whole thing, Okay,

835
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 2>we know about the drinking the night before in the

836
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy assassination, right, but that continued on and on and on.

837
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, there were several instances in

838
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 2>international trips with Obama we have the Secret Service was caught,

839
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, partying and all this other stuff, and uh,

840
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>like you mentioned prostitutes. I don't think any of Kennedy's

841
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>guys had prostitutes, but the drinking was like practically ah,

842
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything built in. It was like an

843
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>epidemic with the Secret Service in the sixties up until

844
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that point.

845
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I think.

846
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what would make we're telling you in terms of

847
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 1>what Jeff was pointing out, what would make that really

848
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>explosive if truly there was an IG report, Because as

849
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, a lot of a lot of questions get

850
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 1>asked over time for various reasons, Okay, and they can

851
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 1>be asked by you know, standing committee and uh, sitting

852
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 1>committee on different subjects. I mean they're sitting committees that

853
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 1>are strictly administrative. That would raise questions like we're what

854
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. It's kind of like who are you

855
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>paying what to do? How's how's the how's this being received?

856
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>How are these guys filing their trip receipts. You know,

857
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of reasons to inquiries. But if it

858
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 1>truly an Inspector General had indeed done a formal report

859
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and put it in the file somewhere, and by the way,

860
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a compartmental fives file about the CIA's actually having an

861
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 1>official tasking to subvert the HCA, that would be so

862
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 1>totally different than all, you know, all of what we're

863
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 1>talking about here. It would be explosive, no, for certain.

864
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 2>And again, just one last thing to point out. I mean,

865
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 2>one could even say, look, if you want to look

866
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 2>at the the interactions with local law enforcement, right, that's

867
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.800
<v Speaker 2>another topic that came up post the incident in Pennsylvania.

868
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you know, and.

869
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.440
<v Speaker 2>The Secret Service has always utilized local assets, right, I

870
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>mean we've heard about this all along, even back to

871
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy time. Well, one might say, how has this

872
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.960
<v Speaker 2>changed since then? Right, because there was plenty of controversy

873
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 2>about the you know, the Dallas sheriffs not being involved

874
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 2>in protection. Uh, you know, what were the DPD doing.

875
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course they got plenty of criticism, rightfully, so uh

876
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth, And then you look

877
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 2>at Pennsylvania and you still have this issue of well,

878
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>did local law enforcement know about this? Yeah, they did?

879
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 2>What were they told to do? How is it that

880
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 2>this guy got that close in that elevated position? Which

881
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>was my initial question anyway, Uh, it makes no sense

882
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that that that should have been absolutely covered over and

883
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 2>over again, I mean blanketed more than once that entire area.

884
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 3>There should have been no change. Yeah.

885
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 1>What it reminds me a little bit of is you know,

886
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was reported. I mean people were reporting him,

887
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>but the communications apparently between local law enforcement and the

888
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Secret Service or you know, the reaction time was terrible.

889
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.519
<v Speaker 1>But what it reminds me of a little bit is

890
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in Dallas, where we know that there were police report,

891
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 1>there was at least one police report in advance of

892
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the motor keke going through Daley Plaza of where the

893
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Dallas Police reported and investigated people seen apparently practicing shooting

894
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 1>from behind the parking lot behind the fence, right, and

895
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that clearly never got to the Secret Service, well as

896
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>far as we know, it didn't get you know, talk

897
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>about talk about lack of coordination. What if the Secret Service,

898
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.119
<v Speaker 1>if Lawson or those guys would go, oh, well, gosh,

899
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 1>there are people in Dallas that are practicing shooting at

900
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the motor Cave. You know, maybe we should change our

901
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 1>plan a little bit here, could. It's sad because it

902
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to ever really change.

903
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, No, But I just wanted to point it

904
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>out that there's a whole lot of aspects here that

905
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 2>that could cause somebody to look back at the history

906
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.519
<v Speaker 2>and say, okay, but but anyway, that's but that's interesting.

907
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 2>So overall you would say that it's a point of

908
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>interest what Morley put out, And yeah.

909
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.559
<v Speaker 1>It's a point of interest. But without that whistleblower, you know,

910
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 1>unless he has which I do not know I have

911
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 1>talked with Jeff, unless he has it set up for

912
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 1>that whistle blower to talk to a congress person, to

913
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:19.199
<v Speaker 1>actually become you know, known, and to go on record,

914
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 1>and then then it unfortunately, it's just it's it's just anecdotal,

915
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. It just confirms our suspicions and you can't

916
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>do anything with it. It's kind of like, as Jeff

917
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.079
<v Speaker 1>would point out, it's like the Joines Joynedies thing. We

918
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 1>ever have every reason to suspect this, but they won't

919
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.960
<v Speaker 1>show us the documents, so we won't know. And Jeff

920
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 1>will go and It's just like the Secret Service trip records.

921
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 1>We have every reason to believe that there were known

922
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 1>threats that the Secret Service didn't respond to, and they

923
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>destroyed the records and they won't tell us who to

924
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>authorize the record. Just you know, it's the same old

925
00:54:58.719 --> 00:54:59.800
<v Speaker 1>thing over and over again.

926
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, So there you go. Sometimes business as usual is

927
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>just that anyway. What won't be business as usual is

928
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.480
<v Speaker 2>what we're gonna do in Dallas November twenty second to

929
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourth. Okay, And just want to give you

930
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>guys another heads up on that before we're done. But Larry,

931
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 2>in closing tonight on this though, is there anything you

932
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.840
<v Speaker 2>want to add that we didn't get to or or

933
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 2>should I just do the uh the Dallas plug here

934
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and get that over with? I mean, I I want

935
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.039
<v Speaker 2>to I want to tell people again and you can

936
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>attend the conference virtually, and I'm gonna explain all that

937
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 2>in just a minute. But I mean, is there anything

938
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 2>else that you need to touch on here to wrap

939
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.519
<v Speaker 2>all of this up that we've covered tonight? You know,

940
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>mostly I wanted to hover on the Oswalt thing, but

941
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.719
<v Speaker 2>I also wanted to get your take on what Jeff

942
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Morley put out.

943
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Because I find it interesting.

944
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>But is the general public even gonna get you know,

945
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.519
<v Speaker 2>interested in it based on that?

946
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

947
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 2>And I see the you know, the the research community

948
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 2>in general not necessarily reacting to it. But that doesn't

949
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean it's not something important or couldn't be developed

950
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 2>into something very important later, which if that whistleblower were

951
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 2>to come forward and there were a couple of hard

952
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>pieces of evidence to offer in some way, this could

953
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 2>be really remarkable, really fast, and I would love to

954
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>see some headline news on it. But are we going

955
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.599
<v Speaker 2>to I guess your guess is as good as mine,

956
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.679
<v Speaker 2>And unless you're Jeff Morley, you don't necessarily know what

957
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the next step is there.

958
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Knowing Jeff a little bit, I think my synopsis would

959
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.840
<v Speaker 1>be sometimes you have some of these things are foundational. Yes,

960
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 1>he had a press conference. Yeah, he got some news

961
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.360
<v Speaker 1>people to cover it. There were a couple of programs

962
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 1>on it, and he's got that in the record. Does

963
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that suggest he, I mean, this stuff all has to

964
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>be done step by step. We didn't just the HSCA

965
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 1>just didn't start right. The Church Committee preceded it. There

966
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.519
<v Speaker 1>were other committees that you know, sometimes you have to

967
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 1>build a foundation to get people's attention, and in this

968
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>instance it also proves something else. If you think about

969
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>it for a minute, you would have gained the whistleblowers

970
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>trust because he didn't expose them, right, So that also

971
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 1>allows him to, I'm sure, maintain a dialogue with the whistleblower.

972
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 1>So for all we know, it's your speculation on my part,

973
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this could all be part of building a foundation to

974
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.519
<v Speaker 1>gain the trust, encourage the whistleblower to come forward, and

975
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:41.679
<v Speaker 1>to be able to put that whistle blower in front

976
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of a congress person in a credible fashion. And you

977
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:48.559
<v Speaker 1>and I have talked. It's not that whistleblowers haven't come

978
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 1>forth before, but in some instance they've actually been compromised

979
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 1>before you could get them in the right place, talking

980
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 1>to the right person. Jeff is playing it very much

981
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>by the book in doing this, so against speculation on

982
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 1>my part, but sometimes sometimes you slight baby steps.

983
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I would say this generally speaking, foundation building

984
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 2>is extremely important because significant actions do often come after

985
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 2>other foundational pieces have been laid in place. Okay, what

986
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 2>do I mean by that, Well, there was a citizens committee,

987
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.159
<v Speaker 2>there was a bit of a public outcry. There was

988
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 2>interest in the public in general that got Congress involved.

989
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:35.400
<v Speaker 2>There were committees that preceded the House Select Committee on Assassinations,

990
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.599
<v Speaker 2>which say what you will about it. It was a

991
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>more significant action that was built upon previous.

992
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Smaller ones.

993
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, even the JFK Records Collection Act, which everybody loves

994
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to point to Oliver Stone's movie. And it was a

995
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:54.159
<v Speaker 2>unique catalyst for that, you know, to bring that stuff forward,

996
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and again to bring forward the rest of the secret

997
00:58:56.639 --> 00:59:00.199
<v Speaker 2>files from the HSCA. And it did have that effect.

998
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.800
<v Speaker 2>We cannot forget. There were people out there campaigning for

999
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 2>releasing the files. There were people out there bothering their

1000
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Congress people and saying, look, this is of interest, we

1001
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.960
<v Speaker 2>need the truth on this. And all of those things

1002
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 2>culminated came together as sort of a composite foundation for

1003
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 2>what later becomes a law written, the JFK Records Collection Act,

1004
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>which leads to the AARRB and so on and so forth.

1005
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of these things are actually built incrementally

1006
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 2>that allow us to get at more of the records,

1007
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.679
<v Speaker 2>that allow us to get at more information. And sometimes

1008
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it can take a decade to build it. Sometimes it

1009
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 2>takes a couple of years to build it. Sometimes it

1010
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.239
<v Speaker 2>takes a couple of smaller committees, you know, like we

1011
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 2>discussed on here when we went through the one oh

1012
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:53.360
<v Speaker 2>one series and we went through every official investigation, right

1013
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 2>that was known on this show, and what do we see?

1014
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 2>There was a sort of snowball. This led to this,

1015
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:04.639
<v Speaker 2>This led to that, you know, so on and so forth.

1016
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, even the clerk panel plays a role in

1017
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 2>what ends up becoming the HSCA later.

1018
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 3>You have to acknowledge all that. So the idea that

1019
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 3>Jeff is.

1020
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Building something here, it could be that we're only seeing

1021
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 2>one of the early pieces of the foundation for something

1022
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:25.480
<v Speaker 2>that could later roll out over into something much more significant.

1023
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Would you agree with that, Larry.

1024
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, absolutely, and quite frankly, sometimes there is a political

1025
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>aspect sometimes, you know, you have to wait for a

1026
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:42.360
<v Speaker 1>congressman or senator who sees this particular topic to be

1027
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.000
<v Speaker 1>match their agenda. I'd say it but that we wouldn't

1028
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.719
<v Speaker 1>have seen the HSCA if it had not matched political

1029
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:54.519
<v Speaker 1>agendas of the period, right. And this goes across the aisles,

1030
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know. Sometimes it's somebody from one side of the aisle,

1031
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the other. So again, that's part part of the

1032
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 1>foundational thing. Somebody may look at it and go, hm,

1033
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, once I get on the right committee, you know,

1034
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.320
<v Speaker 1>once I get the right assignment and my party has

1035
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 1>this the House or whatever, you know, I might be

1036
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.719
<v Speaker 1>able to take advantage of this. So I hate to

1037
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.840
<v Speaker 1>add that element to it, but that's part of it

1038
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.800
<v Speaker 1>being foundational.

1039
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.960
<v Speaker 2>No, politics is definitely part of it. Again, you can

1040
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 2>watch the politics percolate in the nineteen seventies, you know,

1041
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:34.159
<v Speaker 2>going from you know, a Pike and Rockefeller on right,

1042
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you see that. You have to admit that even Watergate

1043
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.599
<v Speaker 2>and the public outcry that resulted from it participates in

1044
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.599
<v Speaker 2>that overall percolation that's sort of blending together of this

1045
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 2>need to get at something that maybe the government's hiding.

1046
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that is a significant thing to consider that

1047
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.559
<v Speaker 2>without that sentiment, without that, you know, again backing that

1048
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the Congress got, you would have never seen the HSCA,

1049
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 2>you would have never seen any of this stuff. So again, politics,

1050
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:08.800
<v Speaker 2>of course, it has to play a role in it

1051
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<v Speaker 2>because those are the people that have the power to actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Dig into these things. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying every official investigation results in anything

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that you get a really good chance anyway, though,

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<v Speaker 2>to have them at least look into the things that

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<v Speaker 2>are connected to the government. Okay, does that always answer

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<v Speaker 2>the questions? Obviously not, otherwise we wouldn't still be asking

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<v Speaker 2>the questions.

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<v Speaker 3>We are over sixty each years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, November in Dallas JFKL Answer Conference November twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>to the twenty fourth. That is this year, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly a month from when I'm speaking right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Be catching this podcast later and probably you are. Virtual

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<v Speaker 2>tickets start at seventy four ninety nine. In person tickets

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty four ninety nine for the whole weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a student price, but you got to show

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<v Speaker 2>proof of being a student, and you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Use code Shelley ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, code o Shelley ten to get ten percent off

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<v Speaker 2>your tickets at Assassination Conference dot com. Okay, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always great to just show that you're you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>picking up this information from my show too. And the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel is the Dallas Marriott Downtown in case you're going

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<v Speaker 2>in person, and I'd love to see you there because I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, there's room prices and all that information will be

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<v Speaker 2>in with my show notes. But it'll be at the

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<v Speaker 2>the Dallas Marriotte Downtown and uh, let's see. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get a hold of them at one eight hundred two

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<v Speaker 2>two eight nine two nine oh or two one four

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<v Speaker 2>nine seven nine nine thousand and make sure to mention

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<v Speaker 2>the November and Dallas conference group rate. Okay, and that

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01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>way you will, uh you'll you'll get a discount there

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<v Speaker 2>as well. All that information is in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to let you guys know that because

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<v Speaker 2>it's exactly one month from now, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock will be there presenting with David boy Len,

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<v Speaker 2>who is his co author on the book. Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>Oswald Puzzle. Is it the Oswald Puzzle or Oswald Puzzle?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me look at this real the Oswald Puzzles. Pull

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01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:14.800
<v Speaker 1>it all out on three words for the title this time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know why though, because Amazon has it as Oswald Puzzle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why.

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01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the cover.

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<v Speaker 1>I've changed that and we've asked you Amazon is its

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<v Speaker 1>own universe.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But look the book cover says the Oswald Puzzles.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way I can guarantee that for the cover,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever ammas, that that's the that's the right cover. I

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<v Speaker 1>will add one remark to the it's not so much

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<v Speaker 1>a pitch foot for the Lancer conference in Dallas. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that makes it a bit unique, I

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01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 1>won't say just a bit unique, is it always has

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<v Speaker 1>offered a real diversity of views. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear the same story from every speaker. You are going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear disagreements, uh, controversial interpretations from one speaker to

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01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the other. Uh, speakers aren't are aren't all following the

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<v Speaker 1>same track? You know? Can that be confusing? Yeah? But

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01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.639
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you intend to be a researcher yourself,

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01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you have to be prepared for that. You go into

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01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:26.199
<v Speaker 1>everybody with healthy skepticism. You weigh one against the other,

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01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and the Lancer conferences have always sought to have some balance.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not just a platform. And quite frankly, there are

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01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 1>other conferences there are more like platforms for positions. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what you're going to see at Lancer. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you do participate, expect that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see some diversity and in this subject, diversity is a

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01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 1>good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Look, the conference is going to lead off. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear about diversity, I'll give you a quick overview.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to mention every name, but this will

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<v Speaker 2>give you an idea if you're familiar with the Unity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna lead off with Mike Swanson this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be talking about overall political things that

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<v Speaker 2>were occurring during the Kennedy administration. And I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>want to go into the details of his presentation because

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01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping to get him on here before the conference

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01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.559
<v Speaker 2>to discuss it himself. But when you take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at Mike being there leading it off, you have Robert Grodin,

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01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:22.199
<v Speaker 2>who was somebody who was part of the HSCA and

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01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 2>has released more photographic evidence on the case than I

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01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:29.519
<v Speaker 2>think any other individual author. For sure, Janet Groden will

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<v Speaker 2>be with him, Larry of course, Doug Campbell, Alex Harris,

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01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:36.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the youngest people I've well, the youngest person

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01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen present at a conference this year. He

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01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 2>can't be because he was last year. But meanwhile, interesting

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01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Bill Simpitch, who definitely goes into the legalistic end of things,

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01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 2>because he's a lawyer. You have me as at mc okay,

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01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Gail Nick Jackson. We all know about her quest for

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01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the film, but who knows what Gail is going to

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01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:56.760
<v Speaker 2>wind up talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, please, we have a very diverse group here.

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01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Joe Barelli just to butt in, but again, Gail again

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01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:09.360
<v Speaker 1>is a perfect example of diversity because we think about

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01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Gail in the film. Most of her research work has

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01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to do with the Walker shooting yep, And we had

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01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 1>her last year speak about the Walker shooting and she's

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01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:25.519
<v Speaker 1>a person who's done her homework and offers some contrarian

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01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.360
<v Speaker 1>perspectives on that that actually really influenced my work and

1154
01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:32.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff that I hadn't seen. So you go to the

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01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.840
<v Speaker 1>conference not to see the stuff you already discussed on

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01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a Facebook page. Right, that's the whole point of a conference.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were part of a forum, you've already seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to see it again. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from people that you hadn't heard from before.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's good to hear from some people you

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<v Speaker 2>have heard from before, like Larry, like Dick Russell who's

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01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.440
<v Speaker 2>going to be there, like Bob Nelson, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there, Okay, Casey Quinlan, who has some interesting thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>about stuff, but I didn't expect from Casey, you know,

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01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:08.119
<v Speaker 2>on a few very very fascinating connections to individuals that

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<v Speaker 2>were connected to things or in the JFK assassination universe,

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01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 2>let's say. And speaking of that, Carmine Sabastano will may

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<v Speaker 2>be making a virtual presentation as well. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>put all of that together, okay, with the fact that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just say this very cryptically, I was told

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<v Speaker 2>that certain worries I had about restricting my commentary are

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<v Speaker 2>no longer going to be a consideration.

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<v Speaker 3>So the handcuffs are off on a few things this year. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you that now we may have a

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<v Speaker 2>little more controversy than usual. There may be a bit

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01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.279
<v Speaker 2>more contrary points of view and statements coming out this

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<v Speaker 2>year at the conference. Of course, up to the speakers themselves,

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01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>because nobody's controlling them, Okay, but just letting you know,

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01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 2>this could be really really different this year, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's put it that way. And I didn't even give

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<v Speaker 3>you all the names on the list.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many other presenters and it will be occurring

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<v Speaker 2>from November twenty second, to the twenty fourth, and again,

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<v Speaker 2>of course I'm looking very forward to Larry Hancock and

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01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.880
<v Speaker 2>David boy Len's discussion. Plus are you going to be

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01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.239
<v Speaker 2>part of a panel as well, or is David going

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of a panel.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know about that yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Or I have volunteered for that. I have not heard

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<v Speaker 1>from Gabby back on that yet.

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01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there are various people that have volunteered for panels,

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01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and it could be that I will have to organize

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01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Speaker 2>them on the fly there, so that might happen.

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01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I'll be around, So I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Call upon you, Larry. I need you for context. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course Larry has authored you know, a good handful

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01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:54.359
<v Speaker 2>of books on this already. But I do advise you

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<v Speaker 2>to go and look for the Oswald Puzzle and pre

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<v Speaker 2>order it on Amazon, and yeah, get to it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be different. I mean, I am anxiously awaiting

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01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 2>my own copy of it myself. I definitely want this thing,

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01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:09.439
<v Speaker 2>and I urge you to get it out there. And

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01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.000
<v Speaker 2>also if you pre order, sometimes even if they tell

1204
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you it's at a certain date, occasionally Amazon sends it

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01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 2>to you early somehow. So I don't know I would

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01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:19.960
<v Speaker 2>get on that if I was you guys and get

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01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:26.239
<v Speaker 2>yours reserved, definitely, and maybe just maybe Larry, there might

1208
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:28.640
<v Speaker 2>be a way that I can get a hold of

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01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.960
<v Speaker 2>a book or two maybe at the conference.

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01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.479
<v Speaker 3>Is that a possibility still, we.

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01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Beat our deadline, so I have hopes that we're gonna

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01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.600
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be out before the official mid January release date.

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01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know if it's going to be that quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, if there is a way though, maybe just

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01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:55.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe I could come up with a way of putting

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01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 2>one out for a drawing or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that would be a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we can do something about that. Absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, even if I don't physically have

1220
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the book, maybe we could just somehow come up with

1221
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:09.319
<v Speaker 2>a way of, look, you'll have a ticket that's going

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01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.560
<v Speaker 2>to get you the free book when.

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01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 3>It comes out.

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01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I think we can do that, you.

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01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Know, how about something like that, because I would love

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01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 2>to offer this to somebody who you know, is really

1227
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 2>interested but also would like to contribute to the cause,

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01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 2>so to speak. So anyway, and I didn't even talk

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01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:27.159
<v Speaker 2>to Larry about this before air, so I kind of

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01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.159
<v Speaker 2>put him on the spot. Apologies Larry, but but I

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01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 2>know we discussed this, and I definitely want to have

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01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.039
<v Speaker 2>some promotional materials from you in hand. So you got

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01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to get those mailed to me soon, Okay, so I

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01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:38.960
<v Speaker 2>can bring them with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, David, da talk to David. David has something already. Oh,

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01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I sent it to you.

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01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:49.479
<v Speaker 3>Excellent. Did you get my address? No? Oh he might

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01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:50.199
<v Speaker 3>have it though, huh.

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01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 1>But I know, yeah, I know he has how to

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01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:55.399
<v Speaker 1>find you electronically, but no I did not.

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01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay, well I'll check with David on that.

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01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, I don't need to check with anybody else

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01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.399
<v Speaker 2>about a lot of things if I go to straight

1244
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:05.439
<v Speaker 2>to Larry Hancock because he's a great source on a

1245
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of this historical research and again the Oswalt puzzle.

1246
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.920
<v Speaker 2>But don't forget the other books on the case, like

1247
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Tipping Point, like someone would have talked, how about Nexus,

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01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.359
<v Speaker 2>which touches upon many many things that would be of

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01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:23.600
<v Speaker 2>interest to a JFK researcher. But gee, what else could

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01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.680
<v Speaker 2>we recommend Larry? I mean, I could recommend all of

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01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:29.600
<v Speaker 2>your books, because I do, and I think I have

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01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.159
<v Speaker 2>every single one on my books show. So there you go,

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01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking forward to adding the Oswalt puzzle to

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01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:39.600
<v Speaker 2>my collection. So anything else Larry, before we're all done.

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01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Here today, I think that should do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So there you have it, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, I thank Larry Hancock for joining us tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though it is a Tuesday, I had to

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<v Speaker 2>reschedule from last week. But it's always great to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Larry Hancock, and always great to talk to you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>because after all, I am merely o'chelly. All of you

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<v Speaker 2>are indeed the effect. Go to Larry dash Hancock for

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<v Speaker 2>further information on his work, follow us log do all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and check us out in Dallas November twenty second to

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourth, either virtually or in person at the

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<v Speaker 2>Downtown the Dallas Marriotte Downtown in Dallas, Texas for the

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<v Speaker 2>JFK Lancer November in Dallas conference.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care.

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<v Speaker 5>If you've expressed my callers, tools there anyone else who

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<v Speaker 5>happens to get on the air, it was Kelly dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>If you not necessarily reflect the views over Kelly dot

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<v Speaker 5>com or up Kelly and we are not responsible, we're

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<v Speaker 5>getting stupidity.

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<v Speaker 2>Which go ahead, call it.

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<v Speaker 4>About the JFA assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, what do you want to know Judy.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew, Ruby and Barrie

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<v Speaker 1>answer weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I imagine I could claim I have four wheels.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make me a wagon, but okay, I'm building.

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<v Speaker 1>And trying to prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on now has a real effort on the DFA

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<v Speaker 2>assassination in claim. Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith

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<v Speaker 2>Baker in her own words. You'll get the results for

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<v Speaker 2>a digital copy of a book where Walt Brown utilizes

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<v Speaker 2>her own words and the known evidence in the case

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<v Speaker 2>to get at well a different perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say you can get Judith.

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<v Speaker 2>Ary Baker in her own words from the author himself,

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<v Speaker 2>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 2>k I A S JFK at aol dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fun book and it actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Dissects the many, many fantastic claims Judith very Baker in

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<v Speaker 2>her own words. Thank you for all the great information.

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<v Speaker 4>Secret Wars with air strikes and tanks by Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 4>Secret Wars became a staple of US covert operations and

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<v Speaker 4>are still happening today. Larryhancock's book in Denial rips the

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<v Speaker 4>cover off many of them using new files.

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<v Speaker 6>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 6>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 6>really failed and why the United States did not earn

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<v Speaker 6>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 6>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 6>that puts what some want to deny into the light.

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<v Speaker 6>In Denial Secret Wars with air strikes and tanks Larryhncock.

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<v Speaker 6>For more information, go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>Pick up your copy of In Denial at Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>In Digital or.

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<v Speaker 1>Physical Revelation Through Conversation, The.

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<v Speaker 7>War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national transformation

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<v Speaker 7>that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in the

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<v Speaker 7>content next of the Times, and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 7>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 7>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 7>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 7>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 7>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 7>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 7>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 7>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 7>island armed with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 7>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 7>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 7>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 7>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com to.

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<v Speaker 5>Use expressed by Colers Schools. There anyone else who happens

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<v Speaker 5>to get on the air of Jelly dot com if

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<v Speaker 5>you not necessarily reflect the views little Jelly dot com

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<v Speaker 5>or job o' chilly, and we are not responsible for

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<v Speaker 5>any stupidity which might ensue.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>The Incentertioner, a local found the inc comm