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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cougar Sports here on one O, three

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and congrats to him on being our new program director

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and everything. Gonna keep it going here a New Year's

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 2: Hope you all being safe and that you celebrate whether

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Speaker 3: I just want you guys all to be safe.

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divulges in the food. But maybe the quickest way to

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his wife's heart is by getting the house cleaned. So

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we will see, but without further to do, let's welcome

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in Darnell Dixon to the Daily World. Double d How

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are you doing today and it's not officially New Year,

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the New Year yet, but happy New Year's Eve to you.

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Speaker 4: Happy New Year's Eve to you as well.

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Speaker 5: We're headed tonight to Thanksgiving, point to the Luminaria as

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a family and catch some fireworks and try to stay warm.

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Speaker 4: So that's our activity.

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Speaker 5: And it'll hit twelve o'clock, will blow our uh uh

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you know, the center, our own little fireworks and blow

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some warns and then they probably go right to bed.

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Speaker 2: Hey that's still lit, o kid. It's different once you know,

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the kids have grown up and get out the house.

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But I love that you're still trying to partake and

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get tell me this, Darnielle. I don't I don't know

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if this is a Utah thing, you know, little convert

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to the church. But I remember growing up with the

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family and after we got baptized, banging pots and pans.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we did that when I was a kid

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and we lived out in the country, so I'm not

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even sure anybody heard us.

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Speaker 4: We did do it. We did get our pans out

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Speaker 2: You get your pants out and bang them, bang bang

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bang bang. Well no, butdy, let's get right into it.

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There's a lot going on in Cougar Country right now.

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Jay Hill is he going to Michigan? Jason Beck is

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he going to Michigan? Who is wit taking with his

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robust network. Everybody's waiting for decisions to be made. I've

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heard rubblings that, oh, you know, By's trying to retain

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Jay Hill as hard as possible.

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Speaker 3: Decisions might not be made.

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Speaker 2: I just got off the line with Bryce and Bryce

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said that maybe they're waiting into this Utah Nebraska game

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is over to announce both if that be the case,

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or maybe BYU is waiting. What are your thoughts on

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just all of this going on in the college landscape?

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By you might get hit hard. It's already been confirmed

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that Gavin Fowler is going to be the defensive coordinator

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Weber State. Weber State is also trying to take Eddie

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a bad choice here. Whatever decision he makes is going

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to get paid a ton of money to do what

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he loves, which is coach football. So you know, he

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can decide to go to the Big Ten, you can

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decide to stay with Kilani and and he's still going

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to be really rich and and doing what he loves.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, there's really not a bad decision for him.

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Speaker 5: But there is quite a bit of a domino effect

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of the changes at the U and and uh, you

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know all that's a domino effect, but it really affects

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Speaker 4: We're seeing that already.

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Speaker 5: Congratulations the Gavin fowlery is a great guy and getting

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Speaker 4: There a Weaver State that's terrific.

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Speaker 5: There are guys at b YU that you know, could

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find themselves in Michigan they're there. Uh guys in Salt Lake,

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they can find. It's just it's a crazy right now.

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that will hear some things being done. And I've also

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heard that Ronnie that b Yu is not going to

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give up Jay Hill without a fight, and so so

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that that's pulling Jay Hill in a couple of different ways,

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because he's obviously indebted to Kyle winning him.

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Speaker 4: For starting his career and a real mentor for him.

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Speaker 5: And he also, you know, I think likes the way

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that Klanie Sataki has built the culture here at BUYU,

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and he's had a lot of second success. You know,

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if if Jay Hill coaches the defense at Michigan and

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Michigan goes eleven and one, they're in the college football playoffs,

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no questions asked. And so that might be a consideration.

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Is Bay usually is not quite there yet in terms

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of being able to impress the playoff committee enough to

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get into the playoffs despite an eleven to one record

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in the regular season. So there's a lot to consider

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and and you know we're going to be watching tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Let's see.

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Speaker 5: I think I think the first is when they open

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up the transfer portal for people to declare, and they

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have two weeks to do that, so we'll see what

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BYU players decide to leave and where be why you

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sets up and tries to bring in new guys. So

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it's it's a lot of a lot of process and

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there will be changes on this team. Despite the twelve

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and two season, It's gonna be a pretty crazy offseason

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as we had to that part of the winter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you bring up a good point.

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Speaker 2: Transport opens January second, I believe Friday from what Max

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Olson said, and then it closes to the sixteenth, So

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after today, once An announcements their mates, we'll find out.

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Speaker 3: I have to think that at the top of the list.

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Speaker 2: If Jay Hill warre go to Michigan, volatile Satuala, I mean,

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but he likes Jay Hills and it doesn't matter if

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Jay was that Utah gonna leave for Michigan to be

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the same thing. I don't think voleattele will go straight

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up north to Morgan's galley. I think he follow Jail

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and go to Michigan. And I think Folatyle is a

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Big Ten safety. I think he can play in the

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way Jay Hill likes to rotate and having coach, I

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think you can see folata I think you could also

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see Isaiah Glasker. People could say what they want Darnell,

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but I think a healthy Isaiah Glaska can play in

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the Big Ten. Now, I don't think all of the

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b YU roster would be depleted. I think some guys

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you'll be able to retain. A new sya down up Baya.

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is going to bring in Eddie Hecker, if that does happen,

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that just starts to make Kilane's choices.

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Speaker 3: I think tough for Darnell.

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Speaker 5: But Colon has been doing this for a long time

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coaching and doing a nice job. You know that there

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are plenty of guys for him to choose from. They're

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a learning curve maybe maybe you know, a drop off

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to retain j. Hill because they know he is terrific

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and has done a great job and belongs in the

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Speaker 4: If they want to continue to be successful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to keep them to be successful. But

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let's let's try to tize back to the positives. Darnaut

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does a good job. I love reading inside Darnail's head.

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It's one of my favorite things to read. And he

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made a declaration he said this b did you did

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this BYU's best team since the fourteen to one Cotton

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Bowl season, and you said you would argue this team

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is even better simply because the level of competition is higher.

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Speaker 3: I want you to, you know, tell me about that.

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Speaker 2: You can find the piece atharrowex dot com slash Sports

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Speaker 3: But I love that that take, Darnelle.

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Speaker 2: Tell me more about why you made that that take,

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because I think some people might get pushback on that.

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Speaker 5: I think you can. And it really depends on your

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definition of best. If you take a look at you know,

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everyone would say, well the nineteen eighty fourteen is the

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best because they won the national championship. You can't go

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a plus BQ will see in that situation comparatively to

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BYU today because I think BYU is more talented.

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Speaker 4: I think they're deeper, and they're.

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Speaker 5: Playing a completely, without question, a much harder schedule and

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and so you know, we made a big deal. You know,

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when b Y's first year in the Big Twelve, where

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they're playing like, you know, eight straight games against Power

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conference opponents, which they'd never done before.

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Speaker 4: That's the norm.

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Speaker 5: And when you're doing that and being successful and not

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only this year twelve and two, but finishing you know,

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in the last couple years AWIG twenty three and four,

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in the past two years. That shows that this program

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is good enough to compete. And that's the thing I

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was thinking too about the playoffs situation. Is it's easy

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and they lost, therefore they're not worthy, or Team B

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made it to the playoffs and one, therefore they are

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where they think. That's too very much, too simplistic by

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you definitely could have gone to the playoffs, and Notre

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you take what you want from that. But I think

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as we just talked about, is in danger of being

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blown up because Kyle Winningham decided he wasn't done coaching,

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the field in terms of talent and in terms of

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Speaker 2: You speak of talent, this basketball team, there's a lot

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of talent. We'll finish up and get you out of

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here on this This this basketball team is something else.

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Speaker 3: They just bons is special.

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Speaker 2: He a special player and fans should enjoy because it's

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going to be leaving at the end of March.

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Speaker 3: It's not coming back. It won't.

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Speaker 2: It won't come back until it gets drafted and it

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has maybe the bye weeks or whatever. The NBA looks

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like it's not playing another year in the Provom. I

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don't think it's going to happen. There's nothing you can

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version of an All Star Game in the Mariatta, which

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even then it probably wouldn't go it. Probably the market

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at the Delta Center with how everything in ticket prices

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and college athletics is doing that.

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Speaker 3: That's me being tongue in cheek. Double D.

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Speaker 2: They open up conference play in a couple of days

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on the road against Kansas State. You think with the

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time off that Kevin Young would have a perfect game plan,

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happen on Saturday? And do they get the dub the

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beginning conference player? Remember last year they didn't open up

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conference to play too well. But then they ended the

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season on that miraculous winning streak.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, b where you started one in three last year

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the Big Twelve, and there were questions, you know, how

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are they going to handle the rest of this schedule,

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and they ended up doing very well and winning nine

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in a row, including the first I think it was

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the quarterfinals of the Big Twelve tournament.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think it's hard to explain why this team struggles

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Speaker 4: I think one of the things.

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a really good coaching staff and making adjustments and pushing

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Speaker 4: And part of that, I think is this.

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Speaker 5: Is a team that returned couple of guys really that

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played a lot of minutes last year, and they're still

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kind of figuring out, especially the bench situation.

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Speaker 4: You know, who comes off the bench, what's the rotation like?

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Speaker 5: And I think that during the course of a game,

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Kevin Young and his staff figure out, Okay, this is

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how we need to do things in terms of personnel

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Speaker 4: I think they're doing a really good job of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be great if they could start off every

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game and jump out to a twenty point lead, but

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that's not going to happen, and they've been able to

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come back. I just like the football team, you know,

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came back five times from double digits. I think coaching matters,

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and I think in this situation, Kevin Young has created

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a really good coaching staff and they make good adjustments

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and the players buy in and believe the system, and

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that's why they were able to play a lot better

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in the second half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that and definitely buy into the system. They definitely

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play better. So we will find out. I'm excited to

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see Kansas State. I know you're probably excited for the

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next couple of games, especially this month you get to

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see Tuley come back. Tanner Toulson will be coming back

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to the Marriott with the TCU hornfak. It's crazy to

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think that started it started his career by you, ended

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up at Utah Valley and now is at t c U,

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and that will be a good homecoming.

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Speaker 3: From him.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to cover that. That's just crazy double d.

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That's a I looked it up the other day. The average,

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I think, Tom, I'm an athlete transfers these days like

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one point seven one point eight, so two times. It's

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pretty much what an athlete is transferring before they find

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their home or where they're in in their college career.

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you look at Harrison Taggart, you're looking now Tanner Tilson.

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Speaker 4: Why you're playing against Kansas State?

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Speaker 5: As you mentioned on Saturday, PJ Haggerty there leading scorer,

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this is his for school goodness, pricious, good coat. And

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athletes that have transferred three or four times already, because

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you know, I hate to use the term because we

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roll our eyes when universities use it and then the

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NCAA uses it. But student athlete is taking on a

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very different tone right now, and I can't imagine anyone

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who's transferring three times is making progress towards graduation.

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Speaker 4: That would be very difficult to do. And and you

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know that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we know what it's about. It's about money.

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It's about being able to put yourself in the best situation.

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But they are still going to school and they are

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taking up scholarships, so you know, you wonder how that

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will happen. The other discussion that's been happening, Ronnie, is

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the eligibility of athletes who have been drafted in the NBA.

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point three. B Yu signed Vito Ahmed, who has been

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playing in the G League. And I plan on tomorrow

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when we have access to Kevin Young through the Zoom

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conference call, to ask him, you know, what do you

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think about This conversation is taking place because there are

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a number of coaches who are saying, you know, we've

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got to draw the line here somewhere. We can't be

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recruiting guys who have played in professional in sports. Of course,

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they've been doing that for years with athletes out of Europe.

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and I'm curious to hear what Kevin Young would have

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Speaker 3: I'm very curious as well.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be very interesting to find out because

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I'm with you. Beido is one thing because he played

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in the G League, but he's a professional. But talking

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about guys getting drafted in twenty twenty three, this is it.

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I think this is getting out of hand. I do

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think there needs to be regulations put. It's not that

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I don't want to see Boa succeed and not win,

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but these other programs people are starting to I think,

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even a bit more past Rose. They might even be

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breaking them. But I guess you're not breaking if there's

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nothing in place. But there's gonna be regulations. I think

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at the end of the season, once this is over,

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they can't do anything right now, I think they'll continue

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to grant. But going into the off season, Double D

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definitely they're gonna do something different. But before I let

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you go, what's the best way we can follow you

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Speaker 4: That's how we all are on X, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: It's true I've failed on next two but that's why

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you need to stay off X. But we have to

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do it. That's where our job is. Job is at.

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Our job is there, Our job is there? Well, double D,

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Happy New York. You and the family go ahead, you know,

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shot some things off and then you get that good

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that good rest too, and then we'll catch up with

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you next week.

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everything related around coaching staff changes, other stuff. Bear Backmeier

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Speaker 3: We got John back online.

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Speaker 2: John, Happy Belady Christmas to you and a happy New

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that. I hope it's been a good holiday

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season for you guys as well.

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Speaker 3: Definitely has been a good holiday season. Just give me

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Speaker 2: How is Christmas for the Beck family and the festivites

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that you've been doing over the holidays.

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Speaker 4: It is good.

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then we run up and visit family. My wife's family's

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up in southern Utah. So I was actually just up

475
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in the Richfield, Salina area, spending time with family and friends,

476
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,519
taking the kids in the outdoors, getting some getting that

477
00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:55,920
pheasant hunting, and having some fun. And now back home.

478
00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:59,240
The draft process of our pre draft guys has already started.

479
00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:01,680
We already got college you guys that have wrapped up

480
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,079
their college careers starting the prep for this incoming or

481
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,079
upcoming draft. It's already happening. So I'm back at home

482
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,160
already working. Was out at the field this morning today

483
00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,599
with guys just working to get better.

484
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: Yep, that's how it goes. You get a one or

485
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,759
two days off, you got to enjoy with the family.

486
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,920
Sounds like the Hunter trip was a success, and then

487
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,400
right back to business. As you mentioned, that's just how

488
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,119
it goes in the nature of It's crazy to think

489
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,119
that the football season is already over and we're in

490
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,759
the transfer reporter Arrow, Let's start there before we get

491
00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:31,599
into you know, the more the positive of Bear and

492
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680
what he did in the pop Tarts boul Michael's dead

493
00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,480
hits the portal. You heard me talk about it before

494
00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:38,720
I welcome you in. How do you go get another

495
00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:40,799
backup guy that the room is stint. I think Enick

496
00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,799
Watson's coming in, but you got Bear, maybe Enich if

497
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:45,960
I'm correct, and then Trayson Boorgay in that quarterback room

498
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,279
because Emerson's going on a mission.

499
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I know Enich when he got off

500
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his mission. I got to spend little time with him

501
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,480
right when he got back training, so I know he's

502
00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,279
up there. I think. You know, look, McKay is a

503
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,200
great kid, hard worker. You know. The tough part is

504
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,960
is when you're a competitive person and you can kind

505
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,279
of see the riding on the wall, you don't just

506
00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,319
want to sit around hoping that your opportunity comes via

507
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,400
an injury because a you don't want that to happen

508
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,400
to somebody that you know, you're a friend of that,

509
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,200
like you've been in the quarterback room with him for

510
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,680
a long time. That's just not the way you want

511
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,160
to live your life hoping somebody gets hurt. You know,

512
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,079
does that happen in football? Absolutely happens in all sports.

513
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,920
That opportunities come by way of injuries. But you know

514
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,559
the tough part for Byu is yes, everybody's going to know,

515
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:33,359
you know, for the next however many years. Bar Bachmeyer

516
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,839
is the guy who came out and took advantage of

517
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:40,039
a great situation. You know, the team played played really well.

518
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,000
He played well, he was able to grow and develop.

519
00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,279
I love this lost game for him. You know, I

520
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,200
think for a for a young player to start, I

521
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,039
think that was his fourteenth start. You know, you look

522
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,880
around the country. A lot of players don't get their

523
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,680
fourteenth start sometimes until they're like junior year, and that

524
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,519
that's even if they play some their sophomore year. You know,

525
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,640
for some people back in the day, you only played

526
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,240
eleven game regular seasons, and the twelfth game was a

527
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,799
bowl game. So even if you started every single game,

528
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,359
your entire sophomore year. Your fourteenth game was not even

529
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,200
until your junior year. So to see a guy that's

530
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,079
a true freshman fourteen games under his belt, that's going

531
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,079
to be a tough spot for a player, especially any

532
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,720
veteran player to want to go. They'll still steer clear

533
00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:30,480
of that. Wherever you I use gonna look for backup

534
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,359
depth is going to be all young, young players, young

535
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,079
players that are willing to use time to develop and

536
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,720
to learn and to trust. Oh hey, this is great.

537
00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,480
I get to be behind bear watch and learn and

538
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,359
then if something happens, I'll get my opportunity. But I

539
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:49,160
have time. I don't have to feel that pressure that

540
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,200
I got to be playing. Now.

541
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,799
Speaker 2: That's good in that freshman you know, maybe red shirt

542
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:56,039
freshman type era. That's a guy that's going to be

543
00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:01,519
coming into develop Okay, yeah, okay, that makes complete And

544
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:02,039
that's tough.

545
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: It's tough.

546
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: Like you said, like McKay, he's a competitor and you're

547
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,400
going to be sitting around and waiting. I mean, the

548
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,440
last true freshman john to throw for three thousand yards

549
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,119
in the season was manned by the name of Trevor Lawrence.

550
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,079
And if you know college football. I think he did

551
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,640
pretty well and Bears in that great company and a

552
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,079
phenomenal season. Just what he was able to accomplish.

553
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,519
Speaker 3: How does a quarterback do that?

554
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: Coming in in June, you win the starting job and

555
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,000
then by the end of the season you give Byu

556
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,240
their twelfth win. That was the first time that that's

557
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:32,640
happened since two thousand and one.

558
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 6: Well, you have to look at the team's situation. There's

559
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,039
there's no way, regardless of how talented a player is,

560
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,119
that if you drop them in a situation without a

561
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,359
good team, that those type of things still happen. I

562
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,200
can't remember how long ago it was, but I saw

563
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,000
this little statistic of the players that have started so

564
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,400
many games, won so many games, and had certain statistics

565
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,680
the freshman year. If you look at all of those teams,

566
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,640
those teams were all playing in either National championship games

567
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,039
major college bowl games. Like it's an all round good

568
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,279
football team. And I know that at the beginning of

569
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,839
the year when there were discussions about, you know, do

570
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,119
we play Bear, it depended on the football team around him.

571
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,480
It depended on how good of a team it was.

572
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:24,119
Because freshman players in bad situations, It just is so rough,

573
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,680
like I said, regardless of the talent. So when I

574
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,319
look at this year, it was so great to have

575
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,640
a BYU team that was so good around him that

576
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,599
he was able to go out and be utilized in

577
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,039
a way that they could use his strengths. They could

578
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:37,920
use him in the run game, they could set up

579
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,759
passing plays where it was very clean with what needed

580
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,240
to be done. He didn't have to play outside of himself,

581
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,559
he didn't have to try to do too much. It

582
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:49,400
was basically play within the system. This jubut the football,

583
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,079
be smart, not turn the ball over, use your legs

584
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,319
when you can. And YU was able to win twelve

585
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,920
games and be a team that again not to you know,

586
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,759
be a dead horse, but it should be in the

587
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,319
calle much football playoff with a freshman playing at quarterback.

588
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,279
That's how good the football team was around the quarterback position.

589
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a dead horse either, John,

590
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,440
But the big twelve I think is three and oh

591
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,559
or six and oh right now, and how they played

592
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,119
in the SEC is zero and four. I'm told all

593
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,960
the time by these these national guys that they got depth.

594
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,440
It's hands down the best, and it doesn't seem like

595
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,079
that's the case, Miami beat Texas A and M and

596
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,240
it just seems like the Big Twelve Conference is a

597
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,079
better conference, and there's other conferences not just named the

598
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,880
SEC and Big Ten that can play college football.

599
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 6: Well, I think that what's going to start happening is

600
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,759
because of how now the money has evened out. You know,

601
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,200
there was a lot of schools back in the day

602
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,039
that were getting players to certain schools with giving things

603
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,920
and different variations of what they would be giving, whether

604
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,319
it was cash or different things. And I do know

605
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,759
that that happened in the SEC. I do know that

606
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,279
happened in the Big Ten because I had teammates that

607
00:26:58,319 --> 00:26:59,799
would tell me about it and they would ask me,

608
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,680
what did you get, And well, I didn't get anything,

609
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,160
you know. And so I think that now that it's

610
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,119
a little bit more of an even playing field, and

611
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,440
you look at a school like Texas Tech, who would

612
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,559
have guessed it an era of you know, money being involved,

613
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,200
that Texas Tech would be the one having the most

614
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,839
to be able to give to players, And so, you know,

615
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,519
I just think that things are balancing out and it's

616
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,319
great to see a conference that BYU is in be

617
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,960
doing so well again. I love the move to the

618
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Big Twelve. I think it's a great conference for BYU.

619
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:29,880
I think it's an amazing schedule that they get to

620
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,240
put together every year, and so for BYU to have

621
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,359
the success that they've had over the last two years,

622
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,279
that also speaks volumes for where BYU is at To

623
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,839
be in a solid conference like the Big Twelve and

624
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,319
to be as successful as BYU has been, it just

625
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,480
speaks to really the culture, the people, the team, the players,

626
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,640
everything that is BOU football.

627
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: Right now, you mentioned culture, Let's get right into it, John,

628
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,119
I'm going to rip off the band aid. You know

629
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,880
how this works in college athletics. Coaches go sometimes and

630
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,240
you know it sounds like that. Yet Morgan Scalley's interested

631
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,079
in a rod. That thought of the if Aer were

632
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,240
to leave as crazy to me. Of just everything he's built,

633
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,440
I think he's the greatest oc at BYU in program

634
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,880
history from what I've seen and how he's developed talent

635
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,000
and put it in the NFL. And then Jay Hill

636
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,240
in the talks to Michigan, what do you make of

637
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,519
all of this? Fans are kind of getting sad towards

638
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:18,799
the end of the year, But to me, I look

639
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,359
at this as a positive of the Klonie Sataki coaching tree.

640
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean if you look at like, let's jump

641
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,640
back to the Lavelle Edwards era and let's look at

642
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,519
the coaches that were a part of his staffs and

643
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:34,000
how they went places. There is a list of coaches,

644
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,119
especially on the offensive side of the football, where they

645
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,960
they were part of the BYU success and then they

646
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,079
went on to have great careers other places. And I'm

647
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,440
sure in those eras it would be really tough for

648
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,359
the fan base to feel like, wait, we're losing a

649
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,279
coordinator again. Wait we've had this type of success and

650
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:54,240
now our guy's going like yeah, it's always tough, but

651
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,720
like coaches want to be able to progress, whether it's

652
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,680
to be a you know, an offensive coordinator or a

653
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,119
head coach. So like I look at it as you know, hey,

654
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,039
it would be awesome to keep j it'd be awesome

655
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,759
to keep a Rod. I don't I don't want any

656
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,480
of those guys going anywhere. But at the same time,

657
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,839
you know, opportunities come up. It doesn't mean that they're

658
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,880
like no longer a BYU person. You know, there's just

659
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,960
there's more things than just one team. One football program.

660
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,039
There's life aspects to it. There's aspects for what it

661
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,079
can do for a person's future, for what it can

662
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,799
provide for not just their family, but also extended family.

663
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440
And so I think, like, look the success of BYU

664
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,000
right now, those guys are hot, hot items, especially Jay

665
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:37,880
with what he's been able to do with the defense

666
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
over the last couple of years. I think it would

667
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,200
be really tough for a program to lose both coordinators

668
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
in the same year. I do think that would be tough.

669
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,400
I think it would be tough on Kilane to in

670
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
the same year have to replace both. I'm hoping that

671
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,160
that's not the case. I am, you know, but again,

672
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400
if those guys choose to take that path, congratulations to them,

673
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,319
and you know, an awesome opportunity at b YU had

674
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:02,759
to have them as their coordinators. And then it's just

675
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,319
kind of a you know, come with may like like,

676
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,559
if that's the course that they take, then BYU has

677
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,599
to move on and those assistants that have been there,

678
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,839
they might be the ones that get the opportunities to

679
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,039
take over as the coordinators. And again that's what happened

680
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,720
at BYU for a long time when certain offensive coordinators

681
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,400
would come in for a little bit, then they would

682
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,079
be out, or they would be an assistant underneath the

683
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,240
offensive cornor that would take an opportunity somewhere else. It's

684
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,759
just it's the way things go at successful places. People

685
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,319
are always wanting to pick the tree of the successful places.

686
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,039
I've watched it happen too. I mean I stay in

687
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,839
contact with Kyle Shanahan at the Niners and I know

688
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,279
him and his staff and the GM and the assistant

689
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,440
GM that was there, And that's a phrase that they

690
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,079
would always say to me. You know, John, it's just tough.

691
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Like we've had some really good years, but it makes

692
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,559
it tough because the tree just keeps getting picked and BYU.

693
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,319
That's yeah, teams are going to come and try to

694
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:58,960
pick from this tree because of the success.

695
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: That's just how those people take from the tree. And

696
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,799
you know it goes in at some point every every

697
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,960
coordinator or position coach is going to get elevated, wants

698
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,720
to be a head coach on their own. They're in

699
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,599
it for that reason, so you you never know. I

700
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,599
do have to ask you this, if j Hill were

701
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720
to leave to go to Michigan, who do you're well connected?

702
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,559
Who do you think the replacements are obviously, I think

703
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,160
they look internally, but you got some good external candadates

704
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,519
as well.

705
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean, look that's tough. I mean I have,

706
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,119
you know, teammates of mine that I played with at BYU,

707
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
guys like Kelly Papinga, you know, Gennaro Guildford. There's guys

708
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
that are on that stet. There's also by US guys

709
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160
floating around. I mean, I just saw a thing. I

710
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,720
was texting Vic Soco because he just took a job

711
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,599
at UCLA. But I know Sean Knua, a former teammate

712
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,720
of mine, he's at USC right now, is a defensive

713
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,400
line coach. Like there's just there's BYU guys around. There's

714
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,640
b YU guys internally. I think that. You know, again,

715
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,599
I'm not on the defensive side of the ball, but

716
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000
I just there's a lot of guys that are around.

717
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,480
And you know, there is one thing I would say,

718
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,160
when you keep things internal, you get to keep the

719
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,839
consistency the calls, the scheme, the teaching methods, there's so

720
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,359
many things. You just have to be so careful with

721
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,759
too much change. I tell people all the time, like,

722
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:23,359
if you want a successful place, consistency is one of

723
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,640
the things you have to build, whether it's for the

724
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,640
quarterback position or the defensive side of the ball. Like

725
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:34,000
being able to maintain that and build with the same

726
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,720
players and the same scheme, it just helps so much.

727
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Constantly switching a scheme, like it doesn't matter the talent

728
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,599
level of the players. If you're switching schemes, there's an

729
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:48,079
adjustment period. There's a learning period, not just the verbal

730
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,759
like the language side of it, but the teaching side

731
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,799
of it, the skill side of it, Like you have

732
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,359
to learn what you have. I mean, I remembered this

733
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,839
lesson forever, Like when I was at UYU and we

734
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,839
brought in coach and I from Texas Tech. He brought

735
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,920
with him an offense that really truly was built a

736
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
little different than the players that BYU had, And so

737
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,559
when we first started running that offense, we had to

738
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,640
go through a learning period of Okay, well that's that offense,

739
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480
but here's what BYU has, here's the type of players

740
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,279
that BYU gets, and you have to adapt and you

741
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
kind of have to shape it to what fits you it.

742
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,039
And it took really truly a half a season to

743
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,400
three quarters of a season before you start to feel

744
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,920
like you hit a little bit of a group, you know,

745
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,720
like hit your stride. And that's why I say also,

746
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960
it would be really tough for BYU to lose both

747
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,359
unless you were able to, you know, bring from within

748
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680
two guys that get to keep that same consistent thing

749
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,799
on both sides of the football.

750
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just hope that isn't the case.

751
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: Look, my worst case scenario, these are just my thoughts

752
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
in the pain, is you retain a Rod and you

753
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,000
lose Jay Hill. I'm hoping that's, you know, the worst

754
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,519
case scenario. Best case scenario, you keep both. I know

755
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,000
bau is trying to maybe push to to get him.

756
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,759
I think the best thing about Utah playing our bowl

757
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,079
game right now as we speak, is that it's given

758
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,400
maybe Budeo an opportunity to maybe pitch j Hill on

759
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,799
last time. But these guys have to make decisions at

760
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,159
the end of the day that is best for themselves.

761
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,199
So I am I'm gonna be happy wherever they go,

762
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,519
because at the end of the day, when a guy

763
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,719
moves on or if he gets you know, a pay

764
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
raise somewhere else. I always tell people, Look, you're working

765
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960
as hard on your job that you're currently in, you

766
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,360
get a better opportunity, or you're gonna get a pay race,

767
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,239
You're gonna take a look at that, and you have

768
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,760
to look at everything as a whole. And at the

769
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,079
end of today, Jay Hill Aaron, I think they want

770
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,480
to be head coaches, super competitive and they've done on

771
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,039
a phenomenal job. So I love and support and and

772
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,519
hold the best for him. Love to still see him

773
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,719
in BUYU Blue. But if not totally understand that's the

774
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,840
nature of the of the business. But I think a

775
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,159
guy that has excelled so much this season that will

776
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,519
be in blue next year is Bear Bachmeyer. The performance

777
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,639
in the Pop Tarts Bowl, John, your reaction to it,

778
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,280
he was not one hundred percent. I don't even know

779
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,800
if he was eighty. I'm not gonna really speak too

780
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,039
much to that. But to be that dinged up, to

781
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,320
get hurt on the first play and then sling the

782
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,320
ball all over the place and basically destroy that to

783
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,119
Tech defense, which is a good football team, I want

784
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,519
anybody to take that away from Georgia Tech was remarkable.

785
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: What do you make a Bear's performance over Saturday?

786
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he did a great job. That's why

787
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,559
I was mentioning, like, you know that was his fourteenth game. Yeah,

788
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,360
and all the experience, all of the practices, all of

789
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,119
the games. Like when you play injured and you played limited,

790
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:26,199
you have to be able to overcome those limitations because

791
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,039
of understanding, because of seeing the field clearly, because of

792
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,719
having experience of running certain plays, you can at times

793
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,360
progress through them quickly like you're able to play at

794
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,639
a more veteran level. That's how you overcome sometimes playing injured.

795
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,199
Like take a freshman in his fifth, fourth or fifth

796
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,920
game and you injure that guy, it is so much

797
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
tougher for that person to play at a high level

798
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,119
because they're still in those learning phases, those growing phases.

799
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,880
They're still gonna make mistakes. They're gonna compound mistakes because

800
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,760
they're gonna do something and to try to avoid a mistake,

801
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,639
they accidentally fall in to another one. That's a very

802
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,360
youthful maneuver. At quarterback, you know, you sometimes aren't always

803
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,679
smart with the football. You try to make too many plays,

804
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,760
you try to do too much well. When a guy's

805
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,039
playing injured, boom, he's instantly limited. One of the first

806
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,119
things he's limited in is athleticism. The ability to make

807
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,599
a play when either they mess up on the read

808
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:23,079
or nothing's there. When you take that ability away, now

809
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,840
you have to see the field more clear, you have

810
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
to be more decisive, you have to be smarter because

811
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,159
you've taken a part of you away. And so I

812
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,679
thought Bear, it really showed in that game that he had,

813
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,679
you know, fourteen games, like beyond a full season, you

814
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
could say, underneath his belt of experience, and it showed,

815
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,079
and I thought it was one of his best games

816
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:44,519
of the year.

817
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,199
Speaker 4: From an efficiency.

818
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 6: Standpoint, from a decision making standpoint, it was. You know,

819
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,119
it was a great way to cap off a really

820
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,400
cool year for Bear because he was brought along at

821
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,480
the beginning of the season at the right pace, like

822
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,719
they didn't ask too much of him in the first

823
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,639
few games, and then they asked a little bit more

824
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,599
of him, and then progressively you could see it build,

825
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
and then really truly they just started treating him like

826
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,199
a veteran player in what he was being asked to do,

827
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,519
and he did so many good things throughout and I

828
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,199
thought that this game definitely showed all of that coming together,

829
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,559
and it was really cool for all the guys around

830
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,559
him as well. Like BYU has done a great job

831
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,920
of shaping the supporting cast and the people around Bear,

832
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,119
and they all had really solid games. And I mean,

833
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,559
I can't even imagine what had been like to have

834
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,280
LG back there. But I'm kind of going to answer

835
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,960
like I answered that, But I thought of one more

836
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,079
thing right before you asked me that question about Bear,

837
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:35,880
I was thinking about the coaching staff. I hope it's

838
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,599
a cam going back to the situation. But here's one

839
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,760
of the things. Like BYU had to extend Kalani, They

840
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,280
had to renegotiate and give him a new deal just

841
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,000
a few weeks ago, and so one of the toughest

842
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,119
things for BYU right now is it would.

843
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 7: My guess is it would be impossible to resign and

844
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,920
restructure and give bigger, better deals to three coaches in

845
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,800
the same year like you had.

846
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,519
Speaker 6: They like they had to do a lot to get Kalie,

847
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,119
which everybody knows it had to come from outside of BYU, Right,

848
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,079
they found a way to add to the pot to

849
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,639
keep that coach. Well, Now, if you truly do have

850
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,400
two coordinators that are both sitting there with opportunities to leave,

851
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,480
my guess is both of the opportunities to leave are

852
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,920
for more money. So somewhere there's going to be negotiations

853
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,679
with those coaches of well, guys, there's probably not a

854
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,599
way for us to keep both of them and pay

855
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,079
both of them more. So what fits us in terms

856
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,360
of who we really truly believe we can get, Like

857
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,960
that's one of the things that nobody accept their agents

858
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,639
and that coach and whoever's doing the dealings at the

859
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,400
UYU probably know what these other schools are offering, because

860
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,719
it would be very hard to have both coordinators being

861
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,119
being told well, you'll make one and a half to

862
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,559
two million more at these other school and then you

863
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,400
be able to come back and say, well that's okay, we.

864
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: Can match that.

865
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 6: That's now four million more on the table after you

866
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,320
just went how many million more on the table for

867
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,199
the head coach. And so that's where I think it

868
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,480
could be tough. As much as we would love to,

869
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,280
you know, keep both of them, I think when you know, I,

870
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,400
if it does come to negotiations and the school has

871
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,119
to step up and pay more than what they've paid

872
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,280
for one of them, it might be only possible to

873
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,519
keep one of them because of that.

874
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you bring up a good point about that. Kalie

875
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,960
just got his deal.

876
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the hard part. I just don't know how

877
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,679
any school across the country can do all three, both

878
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,880
coordinators and a head coach, you know, within a month.

879
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,679
That's just that. I think that would be so hard.

880
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: I've never seen it before. And next week's to your

881
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,159
point of it being hard. So that's just the reality

882
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,280
of the nature of any job, you know, with everything,

883
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,840
you can't retain everybody. And look, I think Colonie understands

884
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,119
and knows that. So we'll see what happens.

885
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,119
Speaker 6: But look, if YU does keep them, it's so I

886
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:05,920
was gonna say, if Yu does keep them, sorry to

887
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,400
interrupt right there, if they do. If they do keep them,

888
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
that just goes to show how important it is for

889
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,519
them to be at Uyu. And it could be because

890
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,960
what they think they can accomplish next year. It could

891
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,159
be because of like I said, there's always more than

892
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,239
just football. There's family, there's life, there's all these things.

893
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,800
Like you look at some of those other schools, Like

894
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,039
you know, when there was talks about Penn State, I've

895
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,079
worked a ton at Penn State. Like it's a very

896
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,639
different area of the United States. And there is nothing

897
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,840
around that town that houses Penn State. You know, you

898
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,280
got Harrisburg out halfway Pittsburgh a couple hours away. Like

899
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
that also plays into it. How great of an area

900
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,719
the Provo Orum loss that's front Like I mean, it's

901
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,760
a great area of the United States. And so that's

902
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,280
another thing that comes into play of when these people

903
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,519
choose to leave, they leave the byu Utah County atmosphere,

904
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,400
and for families, that's a great place to be and

905
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800
sometimes it's just unmatched what other places can provide for

906
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,800
your family. And that's another thing where maybe we got

907
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,280
a chance to keep both those guys because of the

908
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:12,920
community and what it means to their families.

909
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the community means a lot, and I know that

910
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,920
family is a big part of it. J Hill being

911
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,760
from you to all of that plays a factor. So

912
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800
we'll we'll find out. I think we will find out

913
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,679
sooner rather than later, once this Utah game is over

914
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,239
here and the next little bit. I a deal could

915
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,639
be announced tomorrow the day after, especially with the transfer

916
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,159
portal opening in a few days. We're gonna find out everything.

917
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,920
But regardless, Kilani will rebuild if that's the case. But

918
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,000
I think b why you will be just fine, But

919
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,360
you gotta celebrate why you have it. You got to

920
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,039
cherish the moments that were good and for the fact

921
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:43,480
that this team accomplished twelve wins John for the first

922
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,519
time since two thousand and one with this staff together.

923
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,679
Whether they stay or not, I think is something that

924
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,639
goes down and B WHYU history. So it's one of

925
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,000
the top five teams, top five seasons. I think can

926
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,360
be why you history, you know looking at it. So

927
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,480
I'm going to celebrate it and not try to think

928
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,880
too much about, you know, the negatives of what could occur.

929
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 6: Regardless of that, absolutely, I'm there with you as well.

930
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,960
I think to do what they did in the third

931
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,440
year in the Big twelve and arguably the toughest conference

932
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,599
that Yu's played in in its history, I think that

933
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,800
speaks volumes to the type of season that they had

934
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,519
and how it should be remembered. And again, a great team,

935
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,480
great accomplishment. The other thing I love is how many

936
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,559
times this team showed resilience and grit and fought from

937
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,239
behind to win football games. I always say the mark

938
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,239
of a really good football team is the ability to

939
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,360
come from behind, be down, to keep your wits about

940
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,039
you to keep calm and to just have that belief

941
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,039
that we're good, we can find a way to win.

942
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:43,519
And Dyu did that so many times throughout this year,

943
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,800
where they just they found a way and it was

944
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,360
different ways also. Sometimes it was the run game, sometimes

945
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,440
it was the past game, sometimes it was special teams.

946
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,320
There were just so many ways that this team together

947
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,800
in all three phases, found ways to make plays and

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to win those those games at some point in the

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game they were down. And I think that that's also

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another trademark of a really good football team.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a good football team. But you know, John, you

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also have some pretty good services as well that people

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can be a part of. You know, how can people

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is now that the college season is in into two,

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you know, high school football is over, get a hold

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of you if they want to get trained up.

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Speaker 6: The right way, Yeah, same way, Just jump on the

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website infoot I'm sorry, Train three dqb dot com info

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at training three dq dot com.

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Speaker 4: Just hop on out.

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Speaker 6: We've already had a number of people from the city

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of Utah and outside of Utah come on down. We

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got a lot of people that are just finding ways

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to get some training in before the school year starts

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up again. And you know it's crazy, it's already that

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time of year of where teams are looking forward to springball,

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preparing for springball, and before we know it, we're going

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to be in the NFL draft time of year. And

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you know, it's just there's always opportunities to get better

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and we're always here for those that are wanting to work.

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Speaker 2: You guys can go on today, go to the website.

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Please sign up today training three DQB. John Beck is

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one of the greats. I mean, it's there's no doubt

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when you look at Keayden, when you look at Jared,

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when you look at Zach, you look at even Jake,

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the guys that have performed, everybody that's gone over there.

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You know, all of the quarterbacks that they've trained. You

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see the development Bear Bakamarshow give them a chance today?

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Go to three DQB dot com. John, Happy New Year

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to you and the family. I know these will slow

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down a little bit now that you get in the

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draft season everything, but as the big news occurs, I

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will try to still be able to We'll make sure

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that we still reach out to you and stay connected.

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Speaker 3: But happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 4: In the family.

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Speaker 6: Sounds great to you as well. We'll see it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. That was John becken to keeping up with the

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Cougar segment, and that's the rest of our show.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year to everybody going into twenty twenty six.

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We hope that all of you will celebrate the right way.

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Please do things the right way. Stay safe out there

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wherever you're at. I know Bryce Larson is down. They're

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in in Las Vegas doing the Las Vegas Boat with

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the Utah Nebraska. But wherever you guys are celebrating from,

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please be safe. I don't want you guys to Andrew tonight,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, celebration.

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Speaker 2: Look, we're gonna close out the two twenty twenty five

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season and years strong, and I.

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Speaker 3: Said twenty twenty five season. Basketball is still going on.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a great year for BYU Athletic Trader,

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for BYU football. Thank you for everybody that's joined me today.

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John Beck we appreciate Kate Bacator joining us yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Replayed that for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Darnelle Dixon O the day, the hero, Bryce Larson as well,

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Brett always bringing the hammer, showing up and showing out

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appreciate vit Cramlin data aggregation. Thank you again to everybody

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follow the birthday wishes. Please everybody travel safe from all

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of us, our entire team at ESPN, the fan Bryson

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being NEWCI Cougar Sports have been critical to Down and

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Dirty with Scott Mitchell. We all wish you a happy

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new year. Have a good night, have a safe night.

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We will catch you in twenty twenty six. On the

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flip you been listening to Cougar Sports.

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Speaker 4: Come on now, that's break