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Speaker 4: You've got a.
Speaker 5: Three game winning streak versus your rivals up on the hill.
You're seven to zero on the season, top twenty five
and trending to become the favorite. Maybe you are the
favorite now to head to Arlington be the Big twelve champion.
You could have a hangover, no doubt about it, but
you enjoyed the weekend with friends and family members.
Speaker 4: You stuck it to your friends, your.
Speaker 5: Neighbors, your co workers at the good old fashioned traditional
water cooler at your work. It feels good to have
bragging rights. It feels good to know that the tides
have turned in the rivalry. That all it took, all
it took was just a conference affiliation move.
Speaker 4: That's all. It took. Thirteen years of.
Speaker 5: Competitive advantage for the Utes down the drain. Now BYU's
in the driver's seat. Now BYU has the resources. Now
BYU has the conference power, association and affiliation. Now BYU
has the nil. Now BYU is at the top of
the food chain and the pack former PAC twelve affiliated
Utes now part of our Big twelve family. They're reeling.
They're still a good team, They're still competitive. But Kyle Whittingham, Okay,
his tenure is in its twilight right. He's probably most
likely gonna retire after this year. Why because the athletic
department and the administration probably want to see new blood
three in a row. Didn't know if it would happen,
thought maybe they had something up their sleeve. But BYU
got the win under the lights of Leavel. It was glorious,
It was fantastic, Klonie Sataki doing it with class, doing
it the right way. And the petty petulance of the
Utes continues to be showcased, not only in.
Speaker 4: The pregame, but in the postgame. You had a kicker
booting it through the uprights in the middle of the prayer.
Speaker 5: You had coaches, players stepping up to the pulpit and
not necessarily losing with class, not taking accountability, and so
BYU congratulation, BYU fans, congratulations, You're in the driver's seat.
Speaker 4: Now, what will you do with it now?
Speaker 5: As Kialani stated in the post game with his team,
will you stay humble, stay hungry or will you be
hungover after this win like you were last year and
lose two straight to formidable foes in the Big twelve.
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Speaker 4: Coming in after.
Speaker 5: A fantastic weekend spend with friends and family members.
Speaker 6: As welcome in theod g Man Brandon c Gurnie.
Speaker 4: Brandon, you were more of the glory days in the
eighties and nineties, right, You got to really revel the
the rivalry in those years.
Speaker 7: And then you started covering the codes in about two
thousand and three, and that's when everything fell apart and
Utah made their name going here in the wivalry.
Speaker 4: Now the tides in turn. Now you're a part of
the new era of YU football, this new era.
Speaker 1: And I have so many thoughts about this game. I'm
gonna take off on your point is I thought it
would take a lot longer for me with you to
me where it is right now. I thought it takes
more than five years. Not does it happened in the
second year of Big twelve to the that team last
year was very very good. It was some place a way.
This year's team looks to be at least as good.
The culture on this team is phenomenal. And the reason
why B Way You's been able to do this and
make the jump and the rapid amount of time it
has is because Bayu is extraordinary. B WAYU has extraordinary
facets to its program, fan support number one, which which
extends to donors to recruiting reachs. There are extraordinary aspects
strengths the B way You has that have been able
to be made relevant on like ever before, and that
and the fact that they have been able to seize
on all their potential so quickly is phenomenal. It really is.
And I want to give credit to Klonie Sataki. There's
a lot of angles to this game. Klonie Satake, I
think we said before, he is the perfect coach for
b YU for what BWAYU is, for what it does
and the message and all that. Everyone wants to say,
Oh but Jay hill On, Aaron Roderick and all these Asansisco. Yeah,
they deserve a lot of props, but who are they
playing for? Who did they come to b what you
to coach under? It's Kilanie Satake. He's a welcoming guy.
He does it his way. Fans, some mans don't like it.
They don't like how he just talks four minutes about
his love for Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 4: And all that.
Speaker 1: It's working. It's it's players are globbing onto that you
coach to your strengths. Kilani has certain strengths, extraordinary strengths
that are unique to him. He stay true to those
strengths and is realizing a lot of success really quickly
where they're just afforded the same assets that all the
big schools have, plus the extraordinary attributes. The b way
he has congruent with Kilanie's method, and you're seeing a lot.
You're seeing it, You're seeing it absolutely on that football field.
Culture on that team is extraordinary and it's really fun
to cover. It's really just.
Speaker 4: Clawnie was bursting in that postgame.
Speaker 1: He was as jazzed up and just ready to go
because he's seen all that work, he's seen it come
to fruition and to win that game in the manner
it did and going forward and this is just the beginning.
I'm telling you guys, this is just the beginning. Recruitings
singing uptick, You're gonna continue to see that, and I'm
hard pressed to see where Utah is gonna be able
to match up with b whata you heading forward? I'm
really really struggling to see that. You better hope that
big ten invite comes. I don't think it is. That's
your only salvation. I'm telling you right now, and I'm
stating this objectively. Utah has a lot of issues and
b Way You is the premier program in the state,
and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I
think even you fans are seeing that. So yeah, it's
a great day to be a Cougar fan.
Speaker 5: It is indeed a great day to be a Cougar fan.
Great to spend the time with you discussing this game.
Let's also welcome in Brett's bringing the hammer hammer Time
show what's up Hammertime.
Speaker 8: I've never been to a bou Utah game. I did
not grow up in the state of Utah. I grow
up a BYU fan, and so I was so honored
when my father in law said, hey, it's your turn
this week, because we all rotate me and all my
in laws and everybody, and I'm sure you can hear it.
Speaker 6: It was worth losing the voice.
Speaker 8: I did want to watch the game on TV, so
I felt like I could understand everything that was going on,
but he was like, my wife said, no, you got
to experience.
Speaker 6: The Holy War in all its glory. You gotta be there,
you gotta be at the game.
Speaker 8: And so this is my first time experiencing the rivalry
in the actual stadium. And man, what a first Holy
War to ever get to go to for me. I
can't imagine they're all that legendary, but man, that one
was something special.
Speaker 5: G Man, it was special in so many ways. Hammer time,
it was special in so many ways. We're seeing a collijon,
a colliding, a collision of culture here. One way to
approach the rivalry, right, that has been the Kyle Whittingham way,
which has won. It's one at a high level, right,
But is it more P five conference affiliation.
Speaker 4: That it is culture? Is the question?
Speaker 5: Was it the cowitting Ham culture that led them right,
that that that petty competitivism, competitivism that that.
Speaker 4: That you.
Speaker 5: Know, you kind of stiff farm and shun your little
brother over or is it the Kilani culture and the
P four affiliation that now Buyu has. And I would
say that it's more power structure affiliation and access than
it is culture. But at the same time, you would
like to win with class and act like you've been
there before. So when you see time and time again
over the last decade, okay, kind of a a pettiness
to the rivalry from the University of Utah. I'll give
you an example after the twenty twelve game. I don't
know if you remember this, g Man, but in the
postgame pressure, it was a late night kick. It was
going to go into essentially ot and and everyone was wondering, oh, well,
what's gonna happen if they have to play on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Some people were wondering that on.
Speaker 5: The on the hill side of things, and Kyle Whittingham,
you know, stated in his postgame pressure this is he
doesn't have to go here, he doesn't have to go
down this path. Right it was, he states, I'm pretty
sure that last kick was at eleven fifty nine. It
was the missfield goal. Remember when the fans were rushing
the field. If it goes over to overtime, do we
have to delay and go on Monday or what That's
what he said in the postgame press conference.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 5: That's what he came and that's what he said, And
so when prior to this game, your kicker was kicking
it through the uprights during the prayer. I mean, that's
just that's an extension of the culture that has been
created up on the Hill since Kyle took over in
five and for whatever reason, that's how they've that's how
they've navigated, that's how they've abided by it, that's how
they've led by it. And that's from top to bottom.
That's just not from Kyle. That's from the leadership. And
we've seen that time and time again.
Speaker 1: And it affected the team last year. There's an arrogance
in that program. I don't know if they've come down yet.
Arrogance permeated that program. They did not like that station,
they did not like their predicament, and I don't know
if they're ever gonna get out of that funk. Because
congruent with that, you're taking losses to your rivals. You're
just still a really good football team. I'm very interested
to see how that team rebounds after this loss. They
play Colorado next week, very interested to see what happens
with that. But the foundation Kilane's built and just the
uptick and what he's been able to do. It's attracting players,
and it's a better method. It's just better. And what
drives me crazy is I buy everything Colonie says about
Kyle Whittingham. I buy j Hill practically pride talking about
Kyle Whittingham and the influence he has on him. He
is an extraordinary individual in so many ways. And I
just think, and this was my message to out the
whole week. A lot of people misinterpreted this. What he
does is beneath him. It's beneath him. Just rise above it.
The pettiness, I don't know. I does it play with
his team?
Speaker 5: Do you think it's more Kyle or do you think
it's more the institution that he's behind, but.
Speaker 1: That he could rise above that, because to me, he
is the best thing going for Utah. It's not the admin,
it's not anything. It's because he's a hell of the
football coach. He's done extraordinary things. And to see him
just kind of delve into the rhetoric and and just
the playing on Sunday and all that's just beneath them.
I mean, taking what Kelaney and Jay Hill and everyone
else says about him. He is a fantastic individual. He's
a developer of men, and I think it is important.
A lot of people know that's just him, It's just no.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: I think the look and how you represent that university
and who you are is important. And I think that's
one thing Kilanie understands that Kyle does not. And that's
why I think that Kilanie is the coach of the
premier program in the state right now. That's just one facet.
But that's what drives me crazy. It really does, because
I I want to like Kyle Whittingham. I think there's
a lot of admirable qualities about the guy, but the
way he presents himself, I just I just think it's
beneath him. I think it's beneath him. And and that's
kind of been my point this entire week.
Speaker 8: Let me ask you this, do you think if Utah
wins that game, do you think Kyle Whittingham says all
the same things about Kilani that Kilanie had to say
about Kyle. Because I don't know that I do, because
Kyle didn't really say a whole lot about Kilani in
his Monday presser until he was asked about the relationships.
Speaker 6: So that's why I kind of think if Utah wins
that game.
Speaker 8: I don't think Kyle gives Killanne the credit that Kilanie
gave him.
Speaker 4: I think there's probably some truth to that.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're projecting, but at the same time, he
hasn't led us to believe in any of his actions
that that's something he would go out of his way
to do and or Killannie. In the postgame went off
for four minutes about Kyle all class, all the time,
and so obviously it was a great win. It was
actually more of a convincing win than the score actually dictates,
because I do think even though Kilanie says all these
nice things, he was trying to put a nail in
the coffin. He was trying to, you know, just say, hey,
we're the dominant team. Now we've taken over three in
a row. There was a quote from Aaron Roderick in
the elevator. Right in the elevator as they were coming down,
he whispered to the media members there, Hey, three in
a row, that's a streak. I think he said to
the media members there, and I think media members may
have quoted him. But two ranked teams like you can
argue that this is the biggest rivalry game in.
Speaker 4: BYU Utah History.
Speaker 5: Why because both of them are ranked and both of
them could end up in Arlington.
Speaker 4: They could have ended up in Arlington.
Speaker 5: This was dubbed as a playing game to the Big
twelve championship game versus Texas Tech. We don't know what's
gonna happen now, because Texas Tech fell to Asu BYU
knocks off Utah.
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and Houston looked pretty good.
Speaker 5: They could sneak in there and by us Ioway stayed
in the Texas Tech. After that, anything can happen in
college football cannibalism, and we're gonna break it all down
here on your Utah ESPN Radio network. I apologize for
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opening statement from Kalani Shaitake postgame.
Speaker 10: Great game and glad we got the victory obviously, but
really excited about I mean, you know, just the overall
I mean all three phases. The guys played their butts off,
and the fans were amazing tonight in the stadium. You
guys could feel it the energy and glad that we
were going to make the plays. We knew that it'll
take all three phases to do this, and we knew
that it would be a fight to the end and
have to give a lot of credit to Utah for
the performance. Obviously, we just made a couple more plays
than they did. But I think I think there's a
good moment for our team, you know, and it's good
to see those guys and good to get the victory,
but more importantly, just really proud of the guys working
hard and having it come, you know, come all together.
And so we still got a lot of work to do,
but I just wanted to take this time to just
express my love for Kyle Winningham. And I think it's
interesting when you know, I'm just glad that I know
he would get his guys ready, and I think that
a lot of times people misunderstand him because of the
competitive nes that that we have, and if we're all
getting judged on our competitive ness that I think sometimes
that makes it hard for people to understand. And I'm
just gonna tell you that he's a mentor of mine,
and so I wouldn't be here for one for him,
And there's a lot of us on this coaching staff.
I wouldn't be here went for him, and he's one
of the best coaches I've ever known, and so appreciate him.
I told him that pre game before and it regrought
us to the result. I hope he knows how much
I appreciate him, and I hope our people, our fans
can understand that he's extremely competitive, but he's a great
man and he took a chance on me, made me
a coordinator, mentored me, and we had many opportunities where
other people try to come and take him from Salt
Lake City, and he gave me some amazing advice as
we talked through it. And I hope I know the
Utah fans appreciate him and what he's done there, but
I'm just I just want to make sure that everybody
knows that and just give him his flowers for what
he's done. Hope everybody can just appreciate him for the
man that he is, the coach and everything that he's
been as a mentor to be. So yeah, that being said,
I mean, yeah, this is a great We got to win,
and uh, you know, we got a little bit of
a streak here going and so I'm not trying to
tell fans what to do because we told them not
to storm the field.
Speaker 3: They did it anyways.
Speaker 10: But I just hope that our fans would understand that,
you know, we're on a on a win streak right now.
We know what it felt like to be on the
other side. Of that before and so uh, you know,
to show respect. I mean, you guys do anyways the
majority of our fans do, but show respect to it
to our opponents, and and you know, I just feel
like it's really important for me to say that at
this time that if we're going to break the cycle,
and in this situation where you're kind of it's like
the pride cycle that we learned from the scriptures, if
anyone can break the cycle of being kind and and
and uh not stepping on your opponents when they're down
and try to find ways to uplift them and just
appreciate the Uh. I mean, we're in the Big Twelve together.
It's amazing. I never thought this would ever be possible
that we're in the Big Twelve together and we get
to play this game and be partners with this wonderful conference.
And but with that being said, I'm really excited about
the the uh, the environment. I think it was one
of the top crowds that we've ever had, right, Yeah,
and that's awesome and and just uh but it was
it was a great game, and uh, I'm just glad that.
Speaker 3: We were did that victory.
Speaker 10: But you know, we've got to figure things, some things
out for next week because last year we won this
game and we didn't win the next one.
Speaker 3: And the same thing happened to Utah.
Speaker 10: So as emotional and as excited we we are to
win this game, I got nine am church tomorrow, so
I got to be there and uh so we got
to you know, put this one away and then the
move on and find ways to stay humble, stay hungry,
and get ready for the next week, because this does
take a lot out of you. But we've got to
find a way to perform at our best next week.
Speaker 3: We can. We'll work on that.
Speaker 10: But great game, great victory, and I'm happy for the
fans and happy for everyone involved.
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm gonna break down this for you because
many of you guys may think, Hey, Kalani's being too effusive.
Speaker 4: He's going over the top. He doesn't need to do
it this much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, take a minute or two, give some love, but
don't go off and then get scriptural like remember when
Broncomnnen Hall likened BYU Football like to the Armies of Helmon.
Speaker 4: Many of the media member had a heyday with it.
Speaker 5: They they they thought he was a mission president holier
than thou and look, when when you set yourself up
as a standard, or you set up a standard, if
you don't live up to it, they're either gonna mock
it because you don't live up to it, or they're
gonna mock it because you have a standard.
Speaker 4: That's just how it is.
Speaker 5: So like like him, pontificating honors may feel feel a
little bit too much, but that is Kilanie. I've been
around Kiloni forever. It's been who he is for a
long time. It's never really not been his brand to
give praise. As I mentioned before, in two thousand and seven,
he ran across the football field. I did a round
off back flip in front of the entire Utah football
team after we beat them at Lavelle, and he ran
up to me and give me a big hutt and said,
I love you. I'm so proud of you. So they
that's him, So that's always been him. Realize, Kyle doesn't
like BYU anymore. He doesn't like and he never did
like the holier than dw Go, even going back to
the Whittingham era with his father and his brothers there
and things that nature.
Speaker 4: I don't think they've.
Speaker 5: Ever been that type of BYU LDS play. They haven't
been that way, They've never been. They don't like the
holier than now. They made fun of the honor code
and how they operate the honor code. They would use
as a negative recruiting pitch, like, hey, you want to
go there. If you mess up, you fall short, they're
gonna sacrifice you. They're gonna put you in stockades, they're
gonna kick you out. They're gonna oh because you fall short.
You don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: Come up to the U. We love you.
Speaker 5: You have an institute here, Morgan an LDS, all these
LDS coaches here.
Speaker 4: But we're not gonna stockaga.
Speaker 5: And you know there's an element of that's I would
probably do the same thing because we probably shouldn't have
been doing it that way. But when you when you
elevate yourself on a platform and you create a standard,
if you don't live up to it, they're gonna mock
you because of it. Remember, Kalani is also interacting with
the BYU leadership. Now there's new leadership there. Shane Reese's
was seen uh uh crowdsurfing. He was crowdserving. Your university
president was crowded. Could you imagine you know we're then
doing that. You could you imagine.
Speaker 4: See Solo Samulson doing that?
Speaker 5: I mean even Gallan Hokes who was Cosmo at one time,
are profits here in reve later? You know, could you
imagine him crowdsurfing or Jeffrey R. Hall and crowdsurfing at
Levell No that probably it's an impossibility. It wouldn't have happened.
Shane Reese is an individual that celebrates all four facets
of the student life experience, right the spiritual, wow, the academic,
the athletic, and the social.
Speaker 4: He wants to be elite, celestial at all of those things.
Speaker 5: And in doing such. What's the message from the Ward
of trustees? Rasban was there, Ben Gnarr was there. We
need to do better in the rival. We gotta be
better people. We got to be peacemakers while also showcasing
our best selves on the football field and competing. So
realize that Kilani, this is his brand, but also it's
a part of the new BYU brand, and we got
to be better. We can't be the most hated school
on the earth like in the nineties. Right in the
eighties and nineties, per Sports illustrated and be self righteous pricks.
We just can't be that anymore. You got to be better.
And granted, am I stomping on the youth right now,
no doubt about it. I'm having a good time with it.
When you go three in a row after losing nine straight,
it feels good.
Speaker 4: We're all a little bit petty, we're all a little
bit competitive.
Speaker 5: But brand is Klonie's brand and the bour brand is
the bo your brand. So uh, we have a standard
and we all got to try to live up to it.
Otherwise they will mock us either way. You're gonna be
mocked either way.
Speaker 1: All all add to that is is I just want
to reemphasize my point. You coach to your strengths, and
Colonne's strengths are very congruent with B where he's mission
what B way he needs to be, and that's why
he's been able to realize the success he has. I'm
happy for the guy, I really am, because he's genuine
and and he's extraordinary in that regard. A lot of
coaches don't approach it like Colonnie. Doesn't it then and
seeing it work, that's just a great thing.
Speaker 4: Let me give you another anecdote.
Speaker 5: Jay Hill joined me for the pregame extravaganza at Cedar
Hills Golf Course.
Speaker 4: And they're at Cedar Hills Golf Course.
Speaker 5: I asked him a question about like Kugrenation, Hey, what
message you have for Kugernation?
Speaker 4: And he went off. You know what he said, this
is either Pettici side of things.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: I remember he says, well, when guys come to b
why you follow them when they commit, like, follow them
on social and buoy them up when they leave BYU,
unfollow them, stop tweeting, retweeting, sharing, liking, you know all
that stuff.
Speaker 4: That's Jay Hill. Remember Jay j comes he's a ute.
Speaker 5: Like, he's a you know you by trading and then
he also came from the coaching staff of Kyle and
so he's got a little bit of that. What's the
antithesis of that, Well, Kilane's approach.
Speaker 4: Once a cougar, always a cougar. Love them up.
Speaker 5: Hey, if they don't want to be at BYU or
they decommit from BYU or whatever they transferred, BAA, Hey,
still love you. You're always welcome here. Once again, the standard,
what is our standard? What are we doing? How are
we doing it? It's something that I've also talked about
even though I'm more petty than Kilani, I've always I'm
the one that started that phrase on social media.
Speaker 4: Once a cougar, always.
Speaker 5: A cougar, and so because it doesn't do any good,
even though the petty component of me says, well, when
John Henry Dailey and Logan Fauna want to come back
to pro voting get jobs after their NFL careers are
all done, and the network up at the hill up
in Salt Lake City they're not very good to help
you network and find jobs and create generational wealth, then
shut them, don't let them do it. But like you
can't do that, you gotta say no, welcome back, because
that's what Kolanie would want, that's what Byu wants probably,
and the fan base probably has.
Speaker 4: To get in line with it.
Speaker 5: It's hard to do though, it's very hard to do
so anyway, that those are my thoughts. As I was
listening to that, all those things were going through my mind.
And then how do we want to operate at b
YU How do you want to operate as a bou fan?
Speaker 4: Right? You want to be competitive, you want to win,
you want to bring in all.
Speaker 5: But if you know Pooka may not come back or
Samson may not come back unless you have Kolani there,
unless you have that mindset and that love and that
synergy and that christ Like discipleship and devotion.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to keep those doors open and he's
very very good at that.
Speaker 5: You have to in the nil transferportal area. Right anyway,
how would you evaluate?
Speaker 4: Real quick? Last thing?
Speaker 5: Actually, let's go to break. We'll come back with more
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He's going to take care of you. Bear Bachmeyer the
six foot two now he's listening. As at two thirty five.
We all knew that two twenty was inaccurate. He's a
two hundred thirty five pounder, the rumbling, stumbling, right handed
throwing tim tebow Baby. Nobody could stop Bear Bachmeier. Oh man,
it was Gloys the bear tar the centaur. He was
leaping over utes left and right. He was dominating on
the grid iron under the lights of level. He completed
thirteen passing attempts right thirteen completions twenty two attempts one
hundred and sixty six yards. Not too bad, almost a
sixty percent completion rate. He had one touchdown, zero I iNTS.
He ran the ball eleven times sixty four yards five
point eight yards per carry, one touchdown along of twenty
two and that was a glorious twenty two yard boot
scoot and boogie into that north end zone. What would
you what did you make of bear Bachmeer's performance in
this rivalry game in the Holy War first time go around.
Speaker 1: I want to I've used every superlative known to man
to describe what I'm seeing from bear Bachmeier, but the
one that is greatness. What he did that run is greatness.
And to achieve that level, given what he is and
how much time he's out of Bwau is It's the
most extraordinary thing I've seen at Bayu maybe ever. I've
never seen someone come in to take on the responsibility
he has and to perform the way he has in
critical situation. It's greatness. It's extraordinary for a true freshman,
and I want to have this. I mentioned this earlier
today to you. I've been frustrated with Bear Bockmeier's interview
since he arrived. Yeah, he's short, he's not very descriptive,
and I misdiagnosed it. I thought this is just a
guy trying to be really, really careful not to say
the wrong thing. And I think I'm completely wrong in
that regard. And this hit me after the game because
what he is doing is extraordinary. His process is extraordinary.
We know he's extremely intelligent. What he gives and quotes
is a mirror into his thought process, as quotes often are,
and what he is is someone who doesn't complicate things.
He doesn't get outside of the box and just think
thoughts that he doesn't have to. Concepts come very easy
to him. He's intelligent, so he doesn't really know how
to describe it because he doesn't think it's worth it,
because he just does what he does. It's not something
Oh I had to do this, and I was thinking
this and all this thought and that, No, it's just no,
this is what needs to be done, and I do
it and that's it, and that's his quotes. His directness
is a mirror into why he is so successful. It
really is, and I don't think it's going to change
because I don't think he he his process, how he's
been brought up is extraordinary, and his mindset's extraordinary, and
what we're seeing is extraordinary, and it's it's awesome.
Speaker 6: So I'm never again.
Speaker 1: Going to criticize Bear for not being more eloquent during
quote sessions, because that's who he is, that's why he's successful.
Speaker 4: I like it anyway.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to say that I think there's some
validity and truth to that. I think if you get
into the culture of what that upbringing was like in
the Bachmeier home.
Speaker 4: What will you see.
Speaker 5: You're going to see an individual that came from a disciplined,
disciplinarian like family.
Speaker 4: Right and.
Speaker 5: Bear, Tiger Hank, they all are very similar. Hank probably
a little bit more loose because he played five years
of college football. So let's ask Kalanie, Klanie, how would
you evaluate how Bear handles the pressure and that environment.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I thought he did a great job,
you know, And I mean this is not an easy
game to prep for it, even all week, and you know,
we did it on homecoming weeks, so we.
Speaker 3: Made a big deal about it.
Speaker 10: And and I just saw this young freshman come to
work every day and watch film, study practice and make
mistakes in practice and correct them and get himself ready.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I could take credit for that.
That's not me. I'll tell you that that's he's made
that way.
Speaker 10: But also, uh, I think here we should give credit
to a Rod and the way that he's mentored him
and brought him along. You know, everything that we did
from the beginning when we knew that we would start
a true freshman at quarterback was delivered from week one
to where we're at right now. So you know, we
still have some work to do before we get to
the next one, and and we'll try to get that done.
But he's been an amazing person to work with. And
you know, we're getting all excited. I'm trying to get going,
and he's like, colch, you keep going because I got
more more plays.
Speaker 3: They're gonna need us again. And he's the one keeping
me in check, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: But yeah, love love his his the physical way he plays,
and he's a tough kid.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was a hard hit that he took.
Was that landard that hit him? Yeah?
Speaker 10: It was a tough hit, and uh, I mean he's
a tough kid, and he'll be a little sore tomorrow,
but but it'll heal quickly with the win.
Speaker 4: He's a magical human.
Speaker 5: He's a unique centaur's He's an animal that has never existed,
only in our fairy tales, only in our books, only
in a Harry Bot Harry Potter series. Only at The
Lion Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S.
Speaker 4: Lewis.
Speaker 5: These are magical tales. These are fairy tales. That's what
we're experiencing right now. So enjoy the Bear tar.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what drove me crazy watching all the
pregame prognostications from the experts and all that Morgan Scout's
gonna have something for this Bear Bachmeyer. I don't know
if he's gonna be up to this moment. It's like,
have you seen this kid play at all this year?
There was one thing I was so certain of prognosticating
this game all week is that Bear the moment was
not going to get to him. He was going to
be fine, because I've seen it. I understand what This
kid is a lot better than Joel Klatt. I don't
know what Dave Portnoy, I seriously want to throw things
at the television. I'm like, do you understand how ignorant
you are right now saying this about Bear Bachmeyer? Sure,
I understand what this kid. I'm beginning to understand what
he is. It really hit me full force. I was
able to speak with his father a little bit, got
some insight, and just it's the demeanor, It's how he
processes things. The moment's never too big for this kid
because he doesn't see it as Wow, this is the
end all be all, This is a process, this is
something I have to do to move on to the
next thing. And whatever it is, my goodness, give it
to anybody. I try to apply that to anybody. I
don't think you can, because I don't think everyone has
the tools the Bear has and the intelligence to operate
like he does. But man, it is phenomenal, and I
think most Bway fans understand just how special what we're
seeing from this young man is because I've never see.
Speaker 4: Anything like it.
Speaker 8: Brett Hammer, It's just so annoying when people on the
national level they almost seem like they just don't do
any research at all. They read on the game notes. Oh,
bear Bachmeer is a true freshman. Automatically, that means he's
not going to play well, and that means that the
opposing defensive coordinator is gonna have his number. Don't you
think if that were the case, he would have struggled
so far this season and he hasn't been perfect in
every game. But I don't think there's any game this
season where you would say bear bachmer played poorly and
looked like a true freshman.
Speaker 6: So it's just annoy I'm with you, g man.
Speaker 8: Like when you're at the national level, I get you
have a lot of things to do.
Speaker 6: I get you have a lot of things to pay
attention to.
Speaker 8: Just do a little bit of research as opposed to
just reading the game notes. I know he's a true freshman,
but you assuming that he's gonna be bad because.
Speaker 6: Of that because you did no other research.
Speaker 8: Guess what on Saturday, Dave Portnoy, everybody who didn't pick Byu.
It showed what's funny is on Big New Kickoff, everyone
except for Matt Liner picked Utah. But when you go
over and look at College game Day, everyone except for
Nick Saban actually picked BUYU.
Speaker 6: So uh yeah, just do your research.
Speaker 5: People, well, I think Saban. Remember like Shabe's gonna have
his own biases. There's we all have our own biases.
Like you have to be able to account for biases.
Joel Klatt, he's a Pac twelve uh acolyte, Like that's
where he comes from.
Speaker 4: That's who he was, That's what.
Speaker 5: Was paying him his wage in the media to start
off his media career, and therefore, prior to the Alamo
Ball he was like everything was Colorado and game day
was there too. It's hard to pick against Dion until
Dion gives you the okay to root against him because
he loves Kilani, and that now all of a sudden
it would be maybe okay to pick against Colorado when
Kilani's playing him because Dion loves Kilani.
Speaker 4: Do you see how that plays a role in this
in the PR game at any rate? It is what
it is.
Speaker 5: We know these teams better than they do on the
national scale, and so when BYU goes eighteen and two
in the last twenty maybe we're not as surprised as others.
This is what Kilani had to say, number three eighteen
and two record in their last twenty games.
Speaker 4: Did you see that coming? Killani?
Speaker 10: What happened on those two. That's so that's the ones
they bother me the months. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean
it's it's uh. I'm just gonna try to do my
best and these guys will do the work, you know
what I mean, and and try to have fun. I
actually I'm having a great time coaching these young men
and being around these fans, and so yeah, I wish
I could say, yeah, I saw it coming, but I'm
just going taking it day to day and week by
week and then honestly just super grateful and just appreciate
the opportunity that I have. I I it's it's still
it's still dream to me because I grew up b
YU fan cheering for guys like Kyle Whittingham and others
and Robbie Bosco and Steve Young and Ti Denmur and
all those and then I got to play for Lavelle,
which was an amazing dream of mine. Then I get
to be the head coach, and so I'm living a
great dream and I'm trying to appreciate as much.
Speaker 4: As possible, you know.
Speaker 5: Klone once again goes out of his way to say, hey,
I root on rooted for Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 4: You know eighteen or two though.
Speaker 5: Last twenty games, the two losses coming after a Law
or a win to Utah. So now you hope that
the hangover is not a real thing and that they
can stay humbles, stay hungry and not imbibe in their
win right the sweet honey sucker, the honey's nectar of
a rivalry, holy war win. You hope they can get
back on the right track and not lose. Ioway State on.
Speaker 1: The road in his press conference today, I asked that
question on how you have to avoid that, and Kalani
went a very very long time. He's way ahead of
everyone else on this. He does not want because what
bway you is now. The opportunity ahead is extraordinary. They
can do things that this program's never done before. Go
to that go to a college football playoff is a
very very real possibility. There's not a team in the
Big Twelve Conference that be way you can't beat. They
can beat anybody in this car. They can beat Texas
Tech absolutely. Cincinnati might be the toughest game on the
schedule coming up. It's they can lose every game, but
they can absolutely.
Speaker 5: I still win at Tech is the toughest game, but
Cincinnati's gonna be tough on the road too.
Speaker 1: Why Texas Tech could be salty after that? Oh yeah,
oh my goodness. But but yeah, the opportunities b what
you has and I think Colonia understands what he's on
the cusp of and he wants to do everything he
can to realize that. It's gonna be fun to see
how it unfolds.
Speaker 5: Kalani, what did you see from your defense, especially on
those fourth downs that you liked?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the game.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think we talked about it's going to
come down to the trenches, and you have to give
you saw a lot of credit.
Speaker 3: I mean, they made it really difficult for us.
Speaker 10: And I mean when you look at the stats, and
Jay's not going to be excited about all the stats,
but the stat that matters the most is to win
and probably turnover margin.
Speaker 3: I think Tyle will tell you the same, you know.
Speaker 10: So, I think when when we put ourselves in that position,
good things can happen for you. But there's definitely a
lot of things that we can fix. Just because we
won the game doesn't mean that we have work to do.
We got work to do and we'll start that on Monday.
But we've got a long ways, but I like the
progress that we've maken. And you know, I'm just glad
that we have a good hands team that can see
that the ball's spinning and didn't get the ten yards yet.
So smart kids and well coached all the coaches. I'm
proud of all of them, how they prep these guys
and got them ready not just for this game, but
for the entire season.
Speaker 4: Smart kids. Yeah, yeah that.
Speaker 5: As RG three stated on the TV feed, that kick
was cheeks.
Speaker 1: This is all of the worst outsized kicks I've ever said.
Speaker 5: And you begin like, look, we talked about this all
week long, okay and hammer time show g men, you
can attest to this.
Speaker 4: Even in the pregame.
Speaker 5: Utah's special team unit at that time was forty fourth
in the country.
Speaker 4: B YU was six. I said, that's going to be
the difference. To me. I think that's going to be
the biggest difference.
Speaker 5: Kyle Whittingham hates his kickers so much that they passed
up on three different opportunities to kick field goals. Furthermore,
when it came down to it, they still had a
chance to retain possession of the football with an on
side kick, and the.
Speaker 4: Kick was cheeks.
Speaker 5: No wonder, Kyle Whittingham dislikes his kicker so much.
Speaker 4: No wonder, he.
Speaker 5: Passes up on those field goal attempts and goes for
it on fourth and medium, fourth and long, whatever, fourth
and short, and he says it's all because of analytics.
I'm not going to go against the analytics, as he
stated in the postgame presser, but that man, And you
know what, I realized I was watching the post I
was watching the game after, and I hate just say it,
but I wonder, like there's a reason why Kyle does
not trust his kicker, right, Like, there's obviously reasons behind that.
And I saw a nose ring in the kicker, and
I'm like, I bet you he doesn't like that. I'm
not saying that's the only reason he doesn't like him. Obviously,
if he doesn't make kicks, he doesn't like him. But
I'm like, I wonder how he feels about the nose
ringing with the kicker. He's an old school coach, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 5: Anyway, we'll go to break, We'll get into more sound
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the one criticism keeped on Killani was what in the
postgame and during the game, g Man too much praise?
Well now, now, I mean in the game, what was
the one What was the one criticism we would put
on Killani?
Speaker 1: Clock management at the end of the first half.
Speaker 4: And clock manager or the decision and.
Speaker 1: The decision to go for it on fourth down and
step kicking a field kick.
Speaker 4: The field goal make them score two touchdowns, et cetera.
So Kline was asked that question.
Speaker 5: What went into the decision to go for it instead
of kicking the field goal late in the.
Speaker 3: Fourth I don't know. I just wanted to go for.
Speaker 10: It just because I'm a fan, and no I felt
like we were I wish it was a little closer,
but I felt like we could take I mean, take
a chance and just throw the bond. I felt good
about the defense, the way they're playing and almost backfired
on me. But I'm still learning too, so maybe I
made a mistake there. And but you know, I know
that they can they can get after field goals and
things like that, and I just felt like we were
in a good spot. I like that, I like our
chances of converting, we even getting a touchdown there.
Speaker 3: But it could be a mistake that I made.
Speaker 4: When it's okay your thoughts.
Speaker 1: On that, g Man, I love his demeanor and that
and the honesty and when you're that honest and saying, hey,
I'm just a fan, maybe I shouldn't have done it.
That means you're really comfortable in your station, right, You're
not defense of it all. It's like, oh, what do
you know, stupid reporter all that. It's like, yah, yeah,
maybe you're right whatever, I am who I am. He's
very very comfortable in his station with what he is
and how he goes about things, and people realize that
about him.
Speaker 4: Let me give you the justification for it.
Speaker 5: Right, if you go side by side comparison, would you
say that the I mean, the offense was pretty good.
Speaker 4: Right, they're moving the ball, they're moving the ball pretty well. Yeah, right,
so you're.
Speaker 5: Confident that maybe your team can pick up that fourth down.
Speaker 4: You're in a bit of a groove.
Speaker 5: You have an opportunity to steal the game right then,
Like right there, you pick it up and you score.
He went for a touchdown, by the way, I mean
he's going for a touchdo It's like we're gonna win
it now. There's a certain mentality, certain killer mentality that
you love about that, or the probabilities or the odds
in his favor to complete that ball. Probably not, but
worst case scenario, they get it back and you have
your strength on the field, which is your defense, and
you feel comfortable with that, and you.
Speaker 4: Still have to score twice.
Speaker 5: So like looking at all of that with the momentum
where it was, and he kind of felt like, hey,
I'm a fan, Like you can see the emotion like
I want to beat Kyle now so that they have
no hope. A little bit a little bit short sighted obviously,
but I understand the killer mentality, and.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was because of what
they did at the end of the first tab. It's like, no,
we're learning from that, We're going for the end zone.
What we're putting the hammer down and all that. And
also Chase and revealed that he practiced that back shoulder
fade with Bear all week.
Speaker 4: They had been practicing it a lot.
Speaker 1: Kyle uh Clonie knows that. A Rod obviously knows that.
It's like, hey, these guys have got this that they're
gonna do that, they can execute this. So you played
your strength in that regard. It didn't work out. I
mean probps to Utah's cornerback. He had fantastic coverage. Yeah,
ball could have been a little higher, but anyway, whatever, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is what it is. I'm just glad it
didn't come back to hontby way. Yeah, it was a
little bit closer, a little bit more of a nail bider.
Speaker 4: Boy.
Speaker 1: Those flags were just flying on that last drive.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, look, from an entertainment standpoint, once the failed conversion occurred,
it made it a whole lot more intriguing.
Speaker 4: To let that drive continue.
Speaker 5: And there were some flags that may be questionable, right,
should they have been called?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of these calls, these pass pass
interference calls, defensive holding calls. You can call holding on
every single play. Quite honestly, I thought it made it
more entertaining. And guess who was there at the game.
I have a bit of a theory on just games
like anywhere that you can make money and create more
controversy and have more eyeballs on the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: Brett Yormark's probably gonna invest in that.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying brett Ormark does this, but it wouldn't
surprise me if brett Ormark's like, hey, make sure Utah scores.
Let's let's within reason, let's make let's make Utah score
on the stride to make it a little bit more interesting.
Like I'm not saying he did, but like to me,
like I look at a guy like that, a man
that he reached out to the WWFWWE the World Wrestling
Federation and combined forces with the wrestlers, the fake wrestlers
that are juiced up. It's all entertainment. It's all fake. Yes,
what they do is real. They're jumping, they're they're slamming
each other. Those are real things, but it's all it's
all coordinated, just entertainment. That's all it is. And so
he's an entertainer, that's all brett Or Mark is. He's
a conference commissioner for an entertainment industry, and he wants
it to be entertaining. So he wants it to come
down to the final play because he wants eyeballs all
on the television scrades, he wants Nielsen ratings. He wants
a little bit of controversy. He wants body slams, he
wants maybe beautiful women strutting around. Maybe he wants controvers
he does. Maybe maybe he wants to implement that too.
Speaker 4: For all we know.
Speaker 5: Anyway, he likes the controversy, he likes the competitive nature.
Speaker 4: He that's why he was there for the Holy Words.
We could really taste of the glory. See what it
tastes like. Does that make sense you?
Speaker 5: I wasn't surprised at all that some of those hankies
started coming out.
Speaker 1: I love a good conspiracy theory, and I do like
that one. I don't know if I'm gonna send validity
to it, but I know you've been pushing it. But
but I like that you.
Speaker 4: Put how far? How far into it are you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: What percentage of my con my, my, my, my theory.
Speaker 4: Are you into it? Maybe percent hammer time?
Speaker 5: What what percentage are you in on my on my
conspiracy theory with Brett Yormark wanting to maybe influence a
little thing here and there to make it a little
bit more competitive, more entertaining, et cetera.
Speaker 6: I really don't like to be that guy.
Speaker 8: Just to clarify, I hate being the guy that says
the refs did this or the refs did that.
Speaker 6: But here's my issue.
Speaker 8: You called the game one way the whole way, which
was it's a rivalry game, so we're gonna let him play,
which I'm good with. They were plays where I thought, Bo,
you should have gotten a past interference call, that Chase
had one that he should have got that he didn't get,
and did it bug me? Yeah, But I also understood
this is the way they called the game the whole time.
So for you all of a sudden to switch things,
bait and switch when Utah can come down and win
the game, I said to my father and ly lead
over till I goes. Brett Ormark doesn't want Bou to
win this game. Brett Ormark does not want that. Brett
or Mark no brett or Mark does not want BOYU
to be a big brand in the Big twelve that
I do believe.
Speaker 4: We have talked about this before.
Speaker 8: So I know it's it's it's in the same vein.
It's not the same as your conspiracy theory, but it's
it's on the same lane. So I'm probably thirty five
to forty percent on everything you just said.
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm becoming more convinced of my conspiracy theory. A
couple of last year, a couple more of these sound bites.
How pivotal was the muff punt recovery. That was a
big swing of momentum.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and it wasn't a great kick by by Sammy
and and so I think just the style that he
kicks is really difficult for people to catch, you know.
But I mean there's a mistake that they made and
we were able to capitalize and get the ball. So
that was that was nice, But I felt like we
still left a lot of plays out there that we
could have made.
Speaker 3: But a lot of that is the credit of I mean,
Dapper is a great athlete.
Speaker 10: He makes people miss and that was a physical line
you know that that blocked really well and they caught
us on a fly suite for I mean, how many
hours was that? And that's that's embarrassing because we're better
than that. But you have to give them credit. I mean,
I think they there's a great game plan on both sides,
and you know, we just ended up getting the win
by by three points and I'll take it.
Speaker 1: So just so you know, cridinals killed probably twenty nine flies.
Speaker 5: Look, hey, you know we had we had meat and
all manner of food and our tailgater, you know, during
the weekend, and apparently like they were like all manner
of like bugs have come up and just like been
living in our tailgater.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, wait a second, what happened. I get
in here and there's flies everywhere. Yeah, I've been murdering
flies during the show. Don't even get it twisted. That's
how we were anyway.
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, we're a trailer in the back of Orthrow
pros Baby, so our ultimate tailgater back here our Banterwell studio,
So we gotta we gotta murder these flies. Anyway, g man,
that was your question, and just want to go off
on the flies.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was a really really big moment
in that game. Utah was poised to go up fourteen
seven at the half, right they had momentum. You fans
were cheering, and that took everything out of it. I
thought it was a huge, huge moment in that game.
Props to Tellan Alfrey, who hasn't been afforded a lot
of playing time at safety, to come up with that play.
They become legends. Tellan Alfrey, I want him to get
that recognition because he deserved, because I thought it changed
the entire game. It was a big, big moment, you know.
I feel bad for Talan.
Speaker 5: Alfrey's playing really good football right now, not only on
special teams, went when given the opportunity in Portland State
and Stafford, he's been balling out. Unfortunately, he was behind
Raider Dumondi and Folla Tau Satawala Falatou Southtawalla is looking
like a first round NFL draft pick.
Speaker 4: In the form and fashion which he's playing right now.
Speaker 5: I have never seen in my time covering BYU football
someone transformed themselves from someone that I thought, hey, like,
he's gonna take a few years. He's talented, you know,
to NFL draft pick without a doubt. He led the
team in tackles. He had a TfL. I think he
had a PBu. He had a force fumble. Like you
argued that that Folatou deserved Big twelve Defensive Player of
the Week, not Tanner Wall, and.
Speaker 4: Tanner wallballed out. Both of those safeties killed it.
Speaker 5: Tal and Alfree is behind Folatout and he didn't even
get to see the field as a strong safety. And
that's with Raider being out this game shot out to Folatout.
Speaker 4: I never thought he was a free safety.
Speaker 5: I love to move to strong safety, but there were
still question marks for me on whether or not he
wanted to tackle anybody. I was like, he's big, he's strong,
he's fast, but I don't know if he wants to
hit anybody. Bro he has he has just just completely
just overachieved in my mind this season. He has He
has me aghast, He has me completely just on my
heels and make Folatou. You are balling out and showcasing
a whole new world of your abilities. Everyone's like, well,
move him down to to that. Isaiah glasgar Row, I'm like,
I don't know if you need to.
Speaker 4: For next year.
Speaker 5: I think you keep him lean and you focus on
his top end speed, and if he's at two twenty
at that strong safety spot two fifteen to twenty at ten
percent body fat, and he's running and moving like he
still is and even a little bit faster. I guarantee
you Skyler May and Kolbe Kloss and Rhyan Fields they
can keep him pretty lean this offseason and he can
be I think Tommy parashes at free moving back to
his true position, and Folatile it's strong. That's a dynamic
duo that is the best in the Big twelve in
my opinion.
Speaker 1: Turns out Jay Hill knows what he's doing. He knows
he had a plan for Folatile. I think playing free
safetyagine and you obviously known more about this. I think
he did that as a as a learning process for him,
so he understands angles, how plays develop in front of
him and all that, so that he could be protected
at free safety. Yeah, so that he could make the
advancement this year. Okay, you understand all that, the nuances,
what goes on here, Now go do it. I'm putting
you up front, Bam. He understands what's going on on
and back have him better so that he can execute
in front of him to the degree he has this year.
He's been a revelation. He's been so good.
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