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Speaker 1: All right, Pete, welcome back to the Jay Burton Show.

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How you doing, Man?

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Speaker 2: Doing good? Man?

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be talking about anything other than

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what's in the news today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've it's funny because the Current Events shows, and

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I'm sure it's the same for you, they always do

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really well. But anytime I say anytime the times that

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I do talk about, you know, cars or gun autism

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or a random movie, I get dozens of messages of

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people saying, oh, thank god, something else, right, something to

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keep me from going crazy. Like one of the local

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OGC guys sent me a message about that. You know,

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I did a recent episode with Bag Beyond on Hail Caesar,

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and I feel like it's a common it's a common

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feeling where a lot of us just sort of feel

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not to say overwhelmed, but just depressed by the news. Right,

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it's bad. It was bad two weeks ago, it's probably

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gonna be bad two weeks from now, and so yeah,

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it's good to get your head above the water. Davin.

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I'll let you introduce our subject, because really, before you

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recommended me this movie, I never heard anything about it.

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I'd never seen it, and so yeah, man, I'll let

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you start.

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Speaker 3: So this movie is okay. So this is how I

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found this movie. I'm old enough to have gone to

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video stores, and you go to a video store. You've

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seen everything already, and you're like, okay, what is They're

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out there and there's this Mickey Rourke movie. And I

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liked Mickey Rourke at the time, and it's and it

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has all this like Asian stuff on it, and I'm like,

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all right, this looks pretty good. Called Y're of the

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Dragon came out in nineteen eighty five, and I look

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at it and I see, oh, co written by Oliver Stone,

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this should be this should be interesting. I liked Salvador

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at the time. I thought that was maybe his best picture,

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one of the best pictures you ever made. And then

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I watch it and I'm like, everything in this movie

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is over the top. The violence, the the women, the racism,

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everything is just like I'm like, oh, this is this

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is the kind of movie that I can watch over

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and over again because there's great lines in it, the

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actions insane. There are hit men dressed like new wave

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artists for no reason whatsoever, and you're and You're like,

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they could be they could be hit men. They could

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also be in Kajha Googu. I have no clue what's

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going on with with the like who did the costuming

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on this movie? But the movie is just literally insane

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from start to finish. So yeah, I went when I

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saw that you and you and Andy talked about out

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Angel Heart, which is another that's an insane, insane movie,

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and I was like, hey, you know, if you if

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you think Mickey Rourke was good in that, check this out.

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Speaker 2: And Mickey Rourke is just way over.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just I think they just went to him.

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I think Sumino went to him and just said, look,

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you can do anything, you can say anything, and we're

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going to keep it in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie is so like there's this kind of

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meme idea of like the eighties B movie, right, you know,

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the kind of stuff that's like parodied in like The

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Simpsons and stuff like that. And if you actually go

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and watch like the old Cannon films stuff like that,

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they're not actually that good. They're really boring. The production

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value was too low, so like you might see an

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old junker, you know, blow up, but really like the

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the actual real B movies of the era weren't that good.

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This is what you want.

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Speaker 2: It to be.

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Speaker 1: As you've said, it's an insane movie. And that's part

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of why I was so entertained by it. It's because

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distantly through the whole thing, like, don't get me wrong,

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there's a lot of those kind of classic detective cop

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movie tropes in there, but things escalate so quickly and

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kind of out of nowhere that for your first viewing,

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you're just along for the ride. Like it's a long movie,

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it's what two hours fifteen minutes plus or minus. It

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does not feel like that it is from go You're

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just on for the ride. And I mean you mentioned

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buddies about this movie. Uh, and they were They described

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kind of the second Mickey Rourke, right after he went

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back to boxing and then tried to get back to

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acting as a man made out of oreo filling, which

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is a pretty good description. But to see him, you know,

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kind of when he was still in his heart throb

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era and again just chewing the scenery like there is

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no emotion he doesn't give to you. At you know,

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an eleven out of ten, it's I mean, it's incredibly

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entertaining and so like right off. Like the very beginning

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of the movie, you get what you kind of expect from,

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you know, a New York cop movie. Right, we're going

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through it's it's a funeral, I believe, uh of a

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you know, a figure in kind of in Chinatown and

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you see one of these. It's kind of funny because

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you're the cops in this are almost using the like

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New York post euphemisms the whole time, right, the rowdy youths,

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you know, break into this store, and the sort of

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broader conflict of this is basically, uh, the the Chinese

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triads have had a deal with both the Italian mafia

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and NYPD to sort of keep crime under wraps. So

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there's drugs, there's gambling, but it's kept within a certain range.

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the Chinese mafia. You know, there's there's a new generation

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who's who's going crazy. And to start to this again,

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if we're talking about that escalation, it's right off the

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rip because you know, you're you're going through this sort

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of funeral scene. It's you know, very Chinese, or at

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least I guess it's Chinese. And you see this kind

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of like old timey New Yorker shopkeeper and you know

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he's he's arguing with this kid like, oh, I pay

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my protection money to the Italians, not to you, and

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the kid just blasts his brains out all over the

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store like the ninety second mark.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the whole idea behind it. First of all,

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I mean, there's so much we can say about this

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because there are Oliver Stone being one of the main

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writers on this, and Michael Simino, the director who Michael

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Simino directed The Jear Hunter, which was considered to be,

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you know, one of the it's considered one of the

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greatest movies of all time and I'm pretty sure he

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won the Oscar for that.

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Speaker 2: And he so he directs.

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Speaker 3: This, and you have a Vietnam movie, and then you

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have a movie where which I look at this movie

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and I'm like, this movie is just like a guy

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came home from Vietnam and he's still fighting the war,

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but he's fighting it in New York City and he's

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fighting it like not against the Vietnamese, but he's just like,

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well they look alike, so let's go to war with

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the Chinese. But yeah, right off the rip, I mean,

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you get this you get a murder, and then you

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get of a what looks like a Jewish shopkeeper, and

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then like I think, what like half a minute and

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a half later, you get another, you get like an assassination.

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you realize what this up and comer Joey Taye played

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by John Loan is doing is is he's creating chaos

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and he's doing the you know a lot of what

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we see politicians doing. Now what we see a lot

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of countries, a lot of regions, emes do where if

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they want to take control of something, they think that

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what they can do is they can create total chaos

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of a situation. And then they and they actually are

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directing the chaos or controlling the height of the flame

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to use another term. And he thinks that, oh, if

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I can do this, I'll be able to take over everything.

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this opium trade, belongs to me. And you know, I

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mean not to get too far into the movie, but

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you know, you get to the point where you can

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see in his eyes where he's like, oh, I've lost

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control and I don't know what I'm gonna do to

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get it back.

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Speaker 1: And this is a sort of a background conflict you

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see in the movie, is you know, our main villain

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kind of butting up against the other crime bosses. There's

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a moment we'll get too later where he you know,

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which is one of the greatest scenes in the movie. Right,

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the Italian mob boss. Uh, he's had a trachey ectomy,

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so he's got a little voice box and so it's

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like Stephen Hawking talking like a New York mobster U

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which but in that uh, you know, earlier in the film,

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he's talking to the other kind of Chinese triad leaders

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and you know they are You're constantly talking about, you know, oh,

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the need for harmony, the need to not rock the boat.

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assassination is honestly, it's it's such a great like set

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piece action scene. So our our main character, Officer White's

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just a little on that's like, all right, guys, come on,

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like you deficit least something, you know, make him like

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a Portoreo we called him Blanco or something.

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Speaker 3: Well, and then we find out he's a pollock has

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changed his name, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But so he's meeting with his love interest, this

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Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, let me in short

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worst part of the movie is her acting. Yes, yes,

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she's a madl she she was a model.

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Speaker 2: They brought her in.

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Speaker 1: We know why she's there, Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I get the feeling just from listening to her. She

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didn't go to Juilliard. But this scene so and honestly,

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it really kind of reminded me of the nightclub shootout

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in Temple of Doom, Right, Obviously that's a different style

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of movie, but it is similarly over the top. So

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these two kids come in with Uzzi's, which, by the way,

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eighties crime uzzi are the coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 2: They really are. Man, That's why I always wanted one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It's the same thing with a mac ten,

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where it's like, okay, obviously a mac ten is way

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worse than an oozy, but it's the same like part

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of my brain that's like, yeah, I want to look

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like an eighties new wave Chinese hitman who's fourteen, I

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don't know, whatever, it's cool. And they just os down

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this entire restaurant with bullets to assassinate one guy. And

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they're like blasting people in the restaurant, like would we

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hear the like the gunshots. This random woman in the

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background like rows up her arms in the air and

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we just see the squibs like stitching across her body.

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Mickey Rourke leaps into action, right he starts returning fire

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in this restaurant. Uh shoots one of them and then

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wrestles another one down the stairs. So they're wrestling down

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the stairs the oozy it just a ripping off into

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the ceiling and one of these kids ends up shooting

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themselves in the foot, so you know, they escape. And

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character right the police chief, which I mean, this is

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like something out of Lethal Weapon, which I realized, you know,

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that was less of a kind of trope at the time.

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This is like, this is the New York cop movie

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of your dreams. The best way to describe.

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Speaker 2: It, Yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Captain who does you have the captain who wants to

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keep his cool, but he also has Mickey Rourke's like

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childhood friend there who's not his not his boss.

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Speaker 2: But a colleague.

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Speaker 3: I think he never really makes it clear exactly what

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they are other than like childhood friends. And it seems

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deal with this. We these people police themselves. We will

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kick ass on the gangs if things get out of

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hand down there, but we leave the gambling alone, we'll

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political because you look at it now and you're like, yeah,

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things that their way and they're going to get power.

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one hundred Joonae's one hundred thousand dollars a year to

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the mayor, and it's like, okay, well, you bring this

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captain in who wants to kick ass on the Chinese

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and isn't just kicking ass on the gangs but the

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young kids. But he's kicking ass on gambling and every

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and anything else they have. He's turn he's upsetting the

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apple cart while Joey's upsetting the apple cart. So you

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have two these two forces that are that are hitting

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each other causing chaos, and it's like, okay, well that's

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how you get King Squibbs. You know, you get people

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cut in half by a fucking oozy in a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: It's just I mean.

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far as like NYPD, like the first Like in the

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first scene when when Tracy is trying to interview the

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captain on the on the the horse, that guy is

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a cop in like every eighties movie there, I mean,

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there's it's like they couldn't they couldn't like pick somebody else.

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like gonna speak in euphemisms, no comment, We're you know,

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we're just here to to keep the peace and help

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whenever we can. And then you know, Stanley comes in

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and it's just like yeah, we're just I'm I'm just

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gonna blow this place up. And the great scene is

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when he says, what does he say about He's addressing

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all the cops, all the uniformed officers, and he said,

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if you if I hear any of you on the take,

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you know I'm gonna hit you. I'm gonna punge you

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in the mouth. And and he says what if and

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the woman say she's one of the female cops goes,

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what if it's a woman.

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Speaker 2: He goes, well, then she better bend over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just way over.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everything in this movie is just like they

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just told Mickey Rourke fucking act, Like, take the stereotype

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New Yorker, times it by ten and make him a

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New York police captain that wants to kill every Chinese

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person he meets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's basically that's basically the movie. So another

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one of the ongoing plots is that, uh, you know,

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Mickey Rourke has his wife who is seemingly grew up

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in the same neighborhood as him, and his childhood best

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friend that becomes relevant later in the film. They're they're

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trying for a baby. He's obsessed with the job. You know,

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he missed he missed the window. She's real mad at him.

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one hundred miles an hour, so that we see that

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he's not helping out around the house. Right, everything's run down.

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When we meet her, his wife is like rebuilding a

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washing machine, you know, on the kitchen floor, and so

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they have a they have a fight. Of course, you know,

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their relationship obviously goes south over the course of this film.

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back kind of into the action, right, Obviously, we have

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this tension between you know, Mickey Rourke's character, Officer White,

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who basically says, you know, this is all in the

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Chinese triad. The higher ups are saying, like, what are

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you talking about. This is just some youth gang you know,

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going crazy, and you know, to sort of sort of

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wage I guess you could say, kind of a gorilla

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war campaign. He you know, pulls this reporter into it

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to try and you know, expose this story. But as

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part of this he realizes, well, I'm gonna need I'm

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gonna need a Chinese guy to go in undercover, right

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because they'll all know me. We need to find someone

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who you know, isn't known as a cop. So they

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go to the police academy and they pick out this kid.

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This is his name, uh, Harry right, Harry Young. Isn't

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that his name? I think yeah, uh or something like that.

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It's it's a fake name. He even says, like, my

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Chinese name's too complicated. And you know, they pick him up.

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He's not even a full police officer yet. So one

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of my and I figured you and I would have

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an interesting conversation about this one. The scene where they

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meet this kid is at the qualification range where you

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see the greatest old timey Hollywood like pistol shooting. You

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can imagine.

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Speaker 3: It's just so it's so good when they're well. Another

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thing is is I love how they they shot it

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to go down the line and he's literally like a

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head shorter than everyone else. And so you have all

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these guys who are there and they're all, you know,

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they're like, I guess proto tactical, because police weren't really

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tactical back then.

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Speaker 2: That that that came much later. And then they show

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him shooting the target.

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Speaker 3: He's nowhere near the nowhere near the center of the target.

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It's like, oh, we're gonna throw this guy out of

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the street. And it's just I mean, it's it was

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at least the other movie they did this where they

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went into the police academy was The Untouchables went at

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Andy Garcia out of the police academy and everything.

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Speaker 1: I meant, weapons got another one, right, very famous range scene.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, and so Andy gah Andy Garcia comes in.

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But at least he can shoot. I mean, you knew

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that they were. And when they're driving in the car,

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when they pick this kid up and they tell him

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what he's gonna be doing, his reaction is just as bad.

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He doesn't care that this guy is a police captain.

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I mean, the way they're talking to each other is

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just it's just like it's like Samino told them, oh,

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just like talk to each other like, I mean, be

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as belligerent to each other as possible.

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Speaker 1: Well and to that point, like his objections are so

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hilarious because he's like, all, I still have a part

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time job that you want me to quit my job,

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like I'm sending money back home, like you think I

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could just quit And it's just like, yeah, quit your

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job tomorrow. You work for us. But the sidebar and

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very slight big leaf where it's like, oh, Officer White

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had to learn to not be racist a little bit.

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when they're driving around, they've got this young kid driving

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and he is a horrible driver in the middle of the.

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Speaker 2: Left lane, stay in the left lane, and these guys.

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Speaker 1: Are making fun of him for it the whole time,

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and he's getting more and more mad. It's just like

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genuinely a ridiculous situation. Uh So, in the background, while

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all this is happening, the two shooters right, both of

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whom have been been wounded in this assassination attempt, are

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are kind of hold up in a safe house, and

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we hear Officer White even say like, look, if they're wounded,

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it's gonna be real hard to hide. You know, they'll

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show up in hospital or something. And we see a

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scene where are our main villain, right, Johnny Tye comes in,

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you know, offers these guys cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: Joey type be respectful.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'll be honest. This isn't me making a point.

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Names and faces are tough in this movie. That's all

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I'll say what you what.

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Speaker 2: Is you sex me? Earlier? He sexed me.

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Speaker 3: My biggest complaint with this movie is I can't tell

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half the cast apart.

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Speaker 1: What's true, because what would happen is there be a

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dramatic reveal where like the camera wood pan and be like,

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oh it's him, there's a sting and I'm sitting at it.

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H'm like, we do we know who that is? Is

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that him? Or just It doesn't help that even the

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main romantic lead has a very androgynous haircut, so unless

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it's a close up, you're kind of guessing based on

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contact of who anyone is.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And obviously there are some characters who are much more

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visually distinct than others. But also the fact that everyone's,

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especially the criminals, are dressed like lunatics at all moments, right,

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it's actually pretty hard to tell. So point is when

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when Ty comes in, obviously he gives these guys cigarettes,

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ask how they're doing, and then you know, brings in

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a guy to shoot them. Is the guy who shot

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them a notable person or is he just the guy

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who pulled the trigger Because I couldn't remember if that

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was or I couldn't tell if that was another character

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or not.

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Speaker 3: I think that the if I remember the original VCR

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had subtitles on that point, and he was like a

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new guy, and they were, okay, gotta, we gotta, you know,

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break him in, so you're gonna kill these two guys,

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and that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Very he's very hesitant when he's doing it. He doesn't

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want to do what you can tell. He's not like

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he's he hasn't killed anybody yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, subtitles are one hundred percent necessary for this movie

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because there's probably like thirty percent of it that's in Chinese,

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and hypothetically, if you watched the movie through an illegitimate source,

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your subtitles might not have been great. Speaking from experience,

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so there are several parts of this movie where I'm like,

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I feel like I got what happened. But uh so, Yeah,

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obviously we see the you know, just ties, absolute absolute

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ruthlessness there, and later when we kind of pick up

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with with Officer White, he's he's discovered their bodies and

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their bodies have been dumped in like a noodle factory.

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It's super gross.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a I think they said it was a

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soybean that or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Where Yeah, right ahead? Soybeans where yeah?

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Speaker 3: So? And they said something like, oh, we wouldn't. I'm

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surprised we discovered it. They could have gotten lost down

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there forever. It's like, what the hell's going on in Shine?

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It's like, what are you talking about? You're supposed to

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be making food down there? How do you have bodies

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in a that you're not gonna know that? It's like

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they're good to the top. Well, this is one of

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my favorite background characters, is the old Chinese guy who

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discovered these He's just while the while they're doing the examination,

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while you know, the police officers, like it was kind

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of like examining these bodies. And again, as we mentioned before,

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the violence is crazy over the top, Like these guys

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have like bullet holes in their head. One of the

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weird ones is a lot of people get shot through

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the cheek in this movie, Yeah, which is yeah, it's

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you know it, it.

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Speaker 1: Is what it is. But he's just going on about

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how young people these days don't have no respect and

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how they don't think, like no interruption. He's just rattling

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off like five minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's hilarious, and Stanley finally goes, you're he says, you're

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a good man. There should be more like you, and

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he turns around and just goes bullshit, It's like what

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And Stanley just looks at him, like what the hell

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is going on here? He says he's been working down

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there for forty years. I mean that is to bring

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it back. You're talking about a fucking this is not

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a civilization. This is not what what have you imported?

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What have you allowed to come here?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: And like one thing that Joey says at one point

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is extortion and bribery when it comes to the Chinese

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is a thousand years? Is a thousand years of business?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so, oh, where do you want to go

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from there? I mean there's a there's a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, in the kind of your secondary plot, our main

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character has, you know, to sort of patch things up

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with the misses h you know, says, you know what,

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like we'll go out to a fancy restaurant, right and

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this restaurant is seemingly owned by you, Joey Tye, or

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at least he's in there, and so he basically sits down.

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He's late for a date with his wife. Sees Joey

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tye and just goes apihit. He just starts punching him

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and as part of that, a pack of cigarettes is

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I think he offers in a cigarette before the you know,

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the fight breaks out and he realizes that's the same

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brand that the guys in the soyvat had, you know,

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so he's sort of starting to build the connection there,

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and you know, that seems funny in its own right.

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But when he comes back, you know, his wife is

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stormed out, she's gone. He comes back to their place

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and all these clothes are just out in the front yard.

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She's done with him. So he basically gets drunk, drives

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down the street, finds this reporter. It just starts sexually

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harassing her from a moving car. She invites him back

472
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:16,920
to her place. He comes over. They like kiss for

473
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,880
a little bit, and she's like, yeah, I can't do this.

474
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,880
I've got my uh, you know, I always just you know,

475
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,000
making love with my boyfriend all day. He just looses it,

476
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,119
right because this fake boyfriend we later find out he's fake,

477
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,559
is a lawyer, and he starts going off about lawyers,

478
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,799
how there everything wrong with society. She gets mad, He

479
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,720
gets mad, He leaves, walks out the door, walks back

480
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,880
in the door, walks in, slaps her in the face

481
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,559
like four times, and then you know they go to

482
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,599
bed together. And again, this is what I'm talking about,

483
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,680
where this movie it never slows down and it's like

484
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,039
zero to sixty in no no time flat.

485
00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:58,519
Speaker 2: Right.

486
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:04,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, the that whole the whole dynamic with the uh

487
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:11,359
the Chinese reporter is is probably you know, if I

488
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,960
wasn't so immune to charges of racism and stuff like that,

489
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,440
I would just say that's almost over the top thing

490
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,279
in the whole movie, because it's like, I mean.

491
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,079
Speaker 2: She's she's literal. He's literally just.

492
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:31,799
Speaker 3: Treating her like a Vietnamese prostitute the whole time, the

493
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,119
whole movie. And it's like and I think even she

494
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,079
even says that at one point, she says, makes a

495
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,720
comment about him not still not being in Vietnam. You know,

496
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,720
I'm not I'm not a I'm not a hooker in

497
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,039
in Vietnam and everything, and it's just like you're looking

498
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,880
at this dynamic, and the dynamic is basically he's using her.

499
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,400
When she says anything that insults him, he just absolutely

500
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,079
loses it. And then what Leo like later he finds

501
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:05,359
out that she's been hurt. And he's not mad that

502
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,359
she got hurt. He's mad that like a piece of

503
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,160
my property you messed with, Like you messed with a

504
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
tool that I'm using for my job, and now it's

505
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,319
like I'm not gonna be able to use this tool anymore.

506
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: He's so insane.

507
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,279
Speaker 3: It's just you realize, like you start to realize at

508
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:28,119
one point, I'll we'll talk about that that point. There's

509
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,359
a there's a marker in the movie that shows where

510
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,799
he like like where everything starts escalating in his mind. So, yeah,

511
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:45,400
the the Chinese Reporter is just honestly the most offensive

512
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,640
character in the whole movie.

513
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a there's a seed, which again is

514
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:52,279
so over the top. It's like the second time he

515
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,440
ends up in her place where she's like, you know,

516
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,319
oh you're you know, you're a racist, and he gets

517
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:00,079
like kind of offended for a little bit. But and

518
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,759
he's like, yeah, I hated you in Vietnam. I hated

519
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,920
And he's not talking about her, he is talking about Charlie.

520
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,359
We'll keep it at that, right, So and he goes

521
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680
on this insane rant where he's like, yeah, I hated

522
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,079
you on TV. I hated the first time I heard you.

523
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,559
I hated the first time I saw you. It's the

524
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:28,200
most like insane, over the top rant possible, and she's

525
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:32,079
kind of bothered but also not really which you know,

526
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,200
if you've been around right wing people before, you will

527
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,839
have seen this dynamic right as a white man would

528
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,640
have said, never ask a white nationalist the race of

529
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:47,559
his girlfriend. Uh. But it is not only in that

530
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,359
dynamic over the top, but there are other moments will

531
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,160
get too, kind of closer to the end of the film,

532
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:59,160
where it's just for rating her constantly. Uh So there's

533
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:07,319
sort of a uh, the one time we really leave. Oh, actually,

534
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,920
I guess first we have to have this. This his uh,

535
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:16,759
the conversation with the Italian mobs guy with you know,

536
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,680
Joey Tie and basically what they're he is with, you know,

537
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,519
kind of the other members of the Chinese mafia. He

538
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,400
is on paper sort of a junior partner. But through

539
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,079
this conversation and his actions of the film, we realize

540
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:31,920
what's going on here. Right He wants to take over

541
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,279
and basically they're renegotiating a deal between these Italian guys

542
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:44,319
and an earlier generation of you know, kind of triad

543
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:49,519
guys and you know, tis strong arming them. The Italian guy.

544
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,440
So one of the kind of background henchmen is this

545
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,680
sort of like like, h he looks like a character

546
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400
from a black exploitation film, right, he's just kind of

547
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,960
ties hired muscle, but he's got like an afro. He

548
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:05,079
dresses kind of like a pimp. He's got a bunch

549
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,000
of rings on. And uh, you'll have to watch it

550
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,759
for yourself. I can't say this on YouTube, but the

551
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,559
Italian guys refer to him is equally over the top.

552
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,119
But as I said earlier, the mobster he has the

553
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,839
voice box right the trachyectomy, and I think that's how

554
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,279
you say it.

555
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

556
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,279
Speaker 1: But point is, it's just like the best gangster speech

557
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:30,799
ever delivered through a little like speak and spell. It's hilarious.

558
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

559
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: The uh, the having to include the Italians is really

560
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,000
is really important if you're gonna talk about New York,

561
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:44,519
because maybe a lot of people don't understand the geography

562
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,680
of New York. But the Chinese are in Chinatown and

563
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Canal Street runs across across Manhattan Island and Mott Street

564
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:01,559
and Chinatown are on the south side of the island,

565
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,559
just right over Mott Street. On the other side of

566
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,240
Mott Street is little Italy Carmine Street. Places like that.

567
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,960
I mean, they're right next to each other. There's just

568
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,880
one big avenue separating them. So they have to have

569
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,799
a if they're going to be able to do business,

570
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,559
there has to be some kind of truth. There has

571
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:28,839
to be some kind of some kind of understanding. And

572
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,440
if you're going to say, well, we had this, you know,

573
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,480
we've had this agreement with you talking to the Italian

574
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,720
mob for X amount of years and really X amount

575
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,759
of decades, and now I'm changing it, and you're going

576
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,759
to have the kind of attitude that Joey Tade has

577
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,039
that he knows more than them. He's the young guy.

578
00:33:55,079 --> 00:34:00,880
He understands everything. You're going to expect to. You're going

579
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,599
to expect an Italian guy, even one who's had a

580
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:06,799
tracheotomy or something. I don't even know what that is, Yea,

581
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
even a guy with that, he's going to you're going

582
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,960
to hear it. And especially after that the assassination at

583
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,760
the beginning of that Jewish business store owner, You're you're

584
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,880
basically taking out that's one stream of income gone now

585
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:28,880
and you have to be they're going to see that

586
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,800
this is the Italians aren't stupid enough to think that

587
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,599
that was just gangs. They're going to know something's going on.

588
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
So that's how they went into that meeting. They went

589
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,559
into that meeting that knowing that someone's making a move.

590
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239
And you know, it was when I think once he

591
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,760
starts seeing the way Joey Tie talks and speaks to them,

592
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,559
that yeah, this is uh, this is a guy who's

593
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,559
basically pulling the strings right now.

594
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: So next we have kind of of a diversion right

595
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,639
where in order to secure his supply, Thy needs to

596
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,880
go back to Thailand, which is where this heroin is

597
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,960
coming from. There are you know, triad figures there who

598
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,960
he has, you know, deal with. And then there's also

599
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,840
this sort of like group of gorillas. It's never explicitly

600
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,639
said you know who they are. Apparently they were fighting

601
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,119
with the Burmese. Maybe we can ask Carl Dahl who

602
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,639
they're supposed to be. I don't know, jungle Asians who

603
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,440
hate the Burmese, right, But point is, so he goes

604
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,119
back to Thailand. He's got his hired muscle with him,

605
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:40,159
which again it's a very funny like it's never explicitly

606
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,920
drawn attention to. But seeing this sort of like stereotypical

607
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,400
New York pimp walking through like rice patties in the

608
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,079
middle of nowhere is really funny. So he goes back

609
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,559
and he meets with this guy called It's white Powder Tow.

610
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:01,440
Wh Yeah. Uh, look, man, I'm American enough that any

611
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,039
Asian name, I'm lucky to get half of it. But

612
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,280
he goes back right to sort of work on his

613
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,519
deal with with this guy, at least so we think.

614
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,760
So he's meeting with one of his associates, meets up

615
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,280
with Ma and then we see, you know, he says, hey,

616
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,199
you know, let's meet for dinner, and then the film

617
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,679
moves on. They're driving in this kind of like absurd

618
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,039
rickety four by four out to the middle of nowhere,

619
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,360
him and his kind of jive muscle like slumped in

620
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,840
the seat next to him. They're going around like like

621
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,760
water buffalo and stuff, and they get out to this

622
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
rebel camp out in the middle of nowhere. You later

623
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,199
find out it's like five hundred miles away from you know,

624
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,280
the airport, and you know, apparently these two guys have history.

625
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,760
They both served under the same general, right, the general

626
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,159
we see who is senile and just on a constant

627
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,960
drip of heroin, right, his mind is basically gone.

628
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:03,559
Speaker 2: And it disturbing too. Yeah, No, it's definitely. It was

629
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:04,239
very disturbed.

630
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,519
Speaker 3: Very That's when you start seeing the deer Hunter, like

631
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,000
the disturbing parts of the Deer Hunter and the jungle

632
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,000
kind of stuff come out.

633
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if you notice, he as like

635
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,079
completely black teeth, like they're just rotted out of his head.

636
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

637
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: And so you know, he sits down across from this

638
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,280
general and you know they're talking business. They're sort of negotiating,

639
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,119
you know, back and forth over the details of Obviously

640
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,199
the the general wants more money. He says, you know what,

641
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,199
will we'll refine it to an additional stage for you

642
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,559
ship you refined product. You're gonna have to pay for it. Uh,

643
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,400
you know, Tie disagrees, and again this kind of repeated

644
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,599
you know motif of basically you know, being for or

645
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,679
being kind of encouraged to kill someone to prove a point.

646
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,599
The General brings out you know that this mentor and

647
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,079
says like all right, like you know, you've got to

648
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,360
shoot him. He passes the gun down the desk and obviously,

649
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,519
you know tie Is has been shown to be completely

650
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,880
and totally ruthless, but we see a rare moment of

651
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,519
conscience where he basics say is like, no, I'm not

652
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,000
gonna do it, but I'll pay you five grand for him, right,

653
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,320
I'll buy him. And you know, after that the negotiations

654
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
kind of go south. He basically says like, look like

655
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:16,159
you're insignificant. I've got you know, white powder, mom, what

656
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:21,880
what do I need you? And he reaches into his back,

657
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,360
pulls out a box and pulls out white powder mods

658
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,679
ahead by the hair and like the rows it down

659
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,239
the table.

660
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh.

661
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: Actually, one other thing speaking to this movie, going from

662
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:39,880
from like zero to sixty. When he refuses to shoot him,

663
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,039
the General's like, okay, well we don't need to waste

664
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:43,920
a bullet on him. So they tie him to a

665
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,480
stick in the back and one of his goons has

666
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,559
like a tree branch and he's about ready to smash

667
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,079
his head in with a stick. Yeah.

668
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: The it just goes to show that he.

669
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 3: At that point, anyone who really knows anything about organized

670
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:12,000
crime government same thing, He's so out of control that

671
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:13,599
there's no way he's gonna be able to pull this

672
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,440
back in. He's trying to kill He's trying to consolidate

673
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:22,199
everything to himself, and he as smart as he is,

674
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,079
he just you can't do that with that culture. You know,

675
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:32,679
it's like people who it's like getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Okay,

676
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,559
Saddam Hussein kept that country basically from like evolving into

677
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,000
people could say whatever, Oh his kids went around doing

678
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,880
this and doing that. Okay, maybe I don't know ever

679
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,000
really seen any evidence of that. It could be legend,

680
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:49,880
it could be if they were I hope they're burned

681
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,920
in hell. If they were doing that, I hope they're

682
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,360
burn it in hell. But you have to have a

683
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,039
certain order in order for certain cultures to be able

684
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:08,360
to exist and to be to be prosperous. I mean,

685
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,599
look at Singapore. If Singapore wasn't the most totalitary, one

686
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,519
of the most totalitarian countries on the planet, they would

687
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:18,960
devolve into chaos overnight. You have Chinese and Japanese. I mean,

688
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,840
you have all these Asian groups that absolutely hate each other.

689
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,079
There is no better racism on the planet than the

690
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:29,639
racism between Asian groups. They absolutely cannot stand each other.

691
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,840
And you just see Joey is just devolving into this.

692
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,079
He thinks that he's going to be able to rule

693
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:43,199
this all by himself with a couple of gangs on

694
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,599
the street. He doesn't have any plans. He doesn't, there

695
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,119
is no It's very much like a lot of politicians

696
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,280
you see nowadays. They get things rolling, but they don't

697
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,000
have an end Like they think they have an endgame,

698
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,519
but the endgame is cannot be had the way they're

699
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:06,400
playing it. And yeah, I think that's why when Joey

700
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,400
gets back to New York, I think you see it

701
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360
a sense of urgency there, a sense of.

702
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: He's not the calm.

703
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,519
Speaker 3: Guy he is the first half of the movie before

704
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:21,440
he goes to Siloight.

705
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 1: And one of the scenes that I forgot to mention

706
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:30,000
that is important is that when Joey is sitting down

707
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,840
with the Italians, our main character, right Mickey Rourke, has

708
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,039
successfully gotten the ability to wire tap it. So they're

709
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,679
listening it and the higher ups are like, there's nothing

710
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,320
in this conversation. They didn't say anything illegal. They're speaking

711
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,400
in code. There's nothing here, right, You're just making it up.

712
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,280
So you know, of course, when he gets back, the

713
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,239
pressure's mounted. You know, the higher ups are saying telling

714
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:04,159
him to drop it, he's unwilling to and so, as

715
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,800
you know, obviously he's been seeing this Chinese reporter even

716
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,039
though his wife kind of kicked him out. When they finally,

717
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,320
you know, meet back up right, she basically says, like,

718
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,719
I'm done. You know, you're running around with a woman

719
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,079
who's ten years younger. I don't have much time. I

720
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,239
can't afford to waste it on you. And lest you

721
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,719
think that this is going to be a scene where

722
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,800
two characters talk without something interesting happening, she goes into

723
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,119
the bathroom. He's talking to her through the door. She's crying,

724
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,920
and then all of a sudden more sort of random

725
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,280
New wave Asians kick down the door with the garroats

726
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,079
and grab Mickey Rourke, grab his wife, very brutally kill

727
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,119
his wife. He you know, fights one of them off,

728
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,239
shoots him, you know, goes into the drawer, picks out

729
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,519
a gun, chases him out the front door, and shoots

730
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,000
him through the rear glass. Like he sees brains all

731
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:07,280
over the front and his childhood best friend apparently lives

732
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,840
next door. He runs out with a shotgun, right and

733
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,920
as they're chasing down this little side street, the f body,

734
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,800
the f body Kmaro. I think hits the end of

735
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,880
the block. It just erupts into an explosion. He can

736
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,719
pull on eighties car explosion.

737
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: And sorry well and Mackey Rourke like runs to the explosions.

738
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,360
It pulled the body out while his while his friend

739
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,920
is like Stanley, Stanley, stop, you can't what are you

740
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,440
doing because he's wasting what you can do. So he's evidence,

741
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:41,599
he's evidence.

742
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,599
Speaker 1: And again there are multiple parts like this movie's not

743
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,719
a comedy, like there's not a lot of jokes in

744
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,440
it per se, but it is really funny. And one

745
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,719
of the funniest shots is, you know, he's dragging the

746
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,199
body over and he's like bent over and picks himself

747
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,639
up out of the bottom of the shot. He's like smoking,

748
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:07,239
covered in soot, like his jackets on fire. It's just

749
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:11,400
like if the movie were like at a slightly different tone,

750
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,800
it would be like roll out of your seat hilarious.

751
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Like it's a very funny movie.

752
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

753
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: One thing I noticed about that scene where he goes

754
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,960
to talk to his wife and they both end up

755
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,079
getting attacked and she ends up getting friggin her throat slit.

756
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:31,000
He's wearing his he's wearing his military jacket and he

757
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,159
wears his military jacket for the rest of the movie.

758
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,480
It's almost like a signal that like he's going now

759
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,920
it's war. It's like you it's just gonna be a

760
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,119
battle from here on out. And I thought that was

761
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,039
something I picked up on just I mean, I've probably

762
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,559
seen the movie ten times. I just picked up on

763
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,719
that this last time because I was watching. You know,

764
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,039
we're gonna do this, So I was watching it for

765
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,760
little things to see if there was anything I could

766
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,199
pick up on. But another thing in this movie, and

767
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,639
I will say this because this movie was made in

768
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,719
It was released in nineteen eighty five, which means it

769
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,960
was made in eighty three or eighty four. The Chinese.

770
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,280
They keep mentioning their friends in Toronto. So if you

771
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,000
think Canada was just invaded by Chinese in the last

772
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:24,440
ten years, I think again, they're basically telling you in

773
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,000
this movie forty years ago that yeah, yeah, Chinese are

774
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,840
already taking over Canada. The Chinese are already in Canada.

775
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:40,159
Speaker 1: The next scene in the nightclub is probably the best

776
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,599
scene in the movie. It's such an awesome scene because obviously,

777
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,360
you know, as you've said, and I did pick out

778
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,239
that he was wearing his military jacket, because when he's

779
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,960
sitting down talking to his wife, you have a chance

780
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,840
to actually look at him, and obviously it's not you know,

781
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,960
it's not his police uniform, it's not his long kind

782
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,360
of detective's overcoat. So he's mad, right, he's going after

783
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,199
this guy. So he goes into this night club and again,

784
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,760
as we've said, this is full on new wave. We've

785
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,880
got like dyed hair, crazy makeup, people wearing like fishnets.

786
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,360
And he just walks in and starts beating the hell

787
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,760
out of him, and he drags him into a bathroom.

788
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,159
You know, there's bouncers behind him, there's other kind of

789
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,360
you know, criminals following him in there, and in a

790
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,639
very kind of what would be a stock action movie moment,

791
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,559
he's punching him through stall doors in the bathroom. But

792
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,280
every single stall has like four people in it, all

793
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,320
doing drugs. It's like every time he punches him through

794
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,400
a door, it's like some girl like snorting coke, and

795
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,559
there's like a guy in a suit like pulling his

796
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:50,000
pants up. Like the every it's there's like four stalls

797
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:54,440
and you know, eventually like more people come in. Someone

798
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,719
pulls out a gun. It's these two girls, I think,

799
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,599
you know his one of the other l I think

800
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,239
is running in to provide back up. He gets gutshot,

801
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,480
but you know, our main character basically chases them. They

802
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,880
start booking it out of there. At the club, everything's

803
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,280
going crazy, like the music's pounding. He's chasing them through

804
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,800
New York. They're you're trading bullets. And he just blasts

805
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,320
this woman like she gets basically like hit by a car,

806
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,599
spun around. She's lying out like on the on the pavement,

807
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,480
breathing her last and he just looks over at her

808
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,719
and I don't know the exact line, but he basically

809
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,920
is like tells her like you're gonna die.

810
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're gonna die, honey. Yeah. Yeah.

811
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:43,039
Speaker 1: It's so incredibly like it's it's very cold. And I

812
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,400
think it's safe to say that Mickey Rooke's character is

813
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,639
not what we would define as a good person in

814
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,199
this movie, but it is super entertaining.

815
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,679
Speaker 3: The Yeah, the the whole thing with him is is

816
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:04,400
that it's just he's kind of if he's kind of

817
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,599
the idea of the cop that if you have like

818
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,760
a an area of the city that has been absolutely

819
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,360
taken over and is being run by a by a mob.

820
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,320
He's the kind of guy who you would want to

821
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,559
go in there and he could get the job done.

822
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:28,119
You know, the problem is is that it's just decades

823
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,599
and decades and decades of people not doing anything. So

824
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,199
nobody wants The police don't want to do anything, the

825
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,239
mayor doesn't want to do anything, the chief of police

826
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,760
doesn't want to do anything. So he's I mean, he's

827
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,960
making this up as he goes along. He doesn't really

828
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:47,639
have any idea what he's doing. He's he's basically doing

829
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Like I said earlier, he's basically doing what Joey's doing

830
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,000
is he's trying to create as much chaos as he

831
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:56,440
possibly can, and he thinks if he creates enough chaos,

832
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,719
it will be able to bring him down. And yeah,

833
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:07,760
and I guess, uh. Shortly after this is the he

834
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,079
figures This is when Joey figures out that there's a

835
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:17,320
wire there, and he lines up everybody who works in

836
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,360
the UH, in the restaurant, in the kitchen.

837
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, if you're wondering the exact moment

838
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,960
when I texted you, it was during this lineup, because

839
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,960
I'm like, I know it's like, obviously I know that,

840
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,119
like this kid they pulled out who isn't on screen, Munch,

841
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,960
he's one of the guys in the restaurant. But when

842
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,480
they're lining him up until the camera focuses, I was like,

843
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,480
I mean, it beats me. I don't know which one

844
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:42,760
of them ass the wire.

845
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,159
Speaker 3: Up, and you know it just you see at that

846
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,400
point that Harry cannot he's not ready for the street,

847
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,119
he's not ready for undercover. He can't keep as cool.

848
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:59,360
It's obvious who. It's obvious who the outsider is. It's

849
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,960
obvious who who was who the who's planted the bug?

850
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:10,400
And so after that you see Harry he's leaving the

851
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,239
restaurant that they're in and he's walking across the street

852
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,119
and you see someone run up behind him. Now I

853
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,039
know you're not really good with Chinese faces, but did

854
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,800
you notice who the who ran up and shot Harry was? No?

855
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: I didn't, of course not.

856
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:32,199
Speaker 2: It was that kid who they paige the two kids

857
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:32,880
in the beginning.

858
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,079
Speaker 3: Now he's like, now he's like a full floor. I've

859
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:38,639
killed two people. Now I can now I can go

860
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,960
kill a cop basically, and he shoots him in the

861
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,880
I mean he shoots him in the face like a

862
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,360
couple of times. He shoots him like it might be

863
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,599
a through and through through the cheeks, both cheeks, but

864
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,760
I mean, it's just fucked up. And like we find

865
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,239
out that Stanley is just like right down the street

866
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
because that's where they're running the wire from and everything,

867
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,639
and he runs up to get the UH to get

868
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,840
the information from him because it turns out that Harry's

869
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,119
UH found out where how the uh the opium the

870
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,599
heroine's coming in well.

871
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,519
Speaker 1: And this is and I forgot to mention this, one

872
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,639
of the best background characters in this whole film is

873
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:19,079
the person translating what they're hearing over the wire. It's

874
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,840
two nuns, one of whom is Chinese. The other one's

875
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,800
like a ninety year old woman, and the way we're

876
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,159
introduced to her is she's just harassing Mickey Rourke for

877
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,920
eating meat and then he's like, like, what you're old,

878
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,639
You're gonna die soon, and she just rattles off like

879
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,400
all of her like her blood pressure, her hemoglobin, like

880
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,000
all this stuff. Just a very funny background character. And

881
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,280
every time they're on the and it's you know, like

882
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
you've seen this scene before where it's the hard boiled detectives.

883
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,880
The signal cuts in there like gosh, shit, and then

884
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,280
he looks over to the sorry sister but she obviously

885
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,400
the very dragic moment, but she is there reading last rites. Well,

886
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,119
he's trying to get you know, from this from this

887
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,559
guy with the wire, you know, basically you know the

888
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,400
information like what boat is the heroine coming in on?

889
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,119
So in between I should have mentioned this. I saw

890
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,000
this movie like I finished it, you know, a couple

891
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,719
hours ago, so to be fair, I have a few

892
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,559
things out of order. But we find out that again

893
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,639
you know, White has been using this Chinese reporter, and

894
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,199
the moment where she's finally done with him is she

895
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,280
comes back to her place after he's invited himself over

896
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,199
and realizes that he has set up a full like

897
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,599
investigation in her house, Like there's other people she doesn't know,

898
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:42,440
including this kid who is you know, killed for wearing

899
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,039
the wire another kind of like old timey New York

900
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,440
cop and they have a massive blowout where she kicks

901
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:54,239
him out. But one of the funniest interactions is an

902
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,320
interaction between you know him and the kid where he's

903
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,880
basically you can't treat her like that, Like she's her

904
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,559
family were aristocrats, Like she's not gonna put up with that.

905
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:07,000
Then he decides to quit. He's like, you you can't

906
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,599
just keep calling me like Harry the Chinaman. Apparently that

907
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:16,000
doesn't like Rourke kind of gets him back on side again.

908
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,079
This movie is just constant racism throughout the whole thing.

909
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,880
The point is so for in his his dying words,

910
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,320
he understands like, Okay, this is where you know, this

911
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,239
is the ship that it's coming in on. And his

912
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:36,559
Chinese girlfriend has kicked him out. But because she is

913
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:41,800
in on the investigation, she goes after, she goes after Johnny, right,

914
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,599
she knows extra information, and so she's bugging him. He's

915
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,440
trying to get into this, you know Mercedes, and she's like,

916
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,400
why were you in Thailand? Do you know anything about

917
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,440
white powder? Ma? And he basically says like, oh, I

918
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,159
know your sources. I'll speak to legal. And what he

919
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,239
actually does is send a bunch of thugs over to

920
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,280
you know, rough her up, right, And that goes back

921
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,320
to what we were talking about earlier, right where you know,

922
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,039
White is more upset that his ability to use her

923
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,000
as part of this investigation has been harmed than the

924
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,440
fact that this woman has been like, you know, pretty

925
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,079
savagely abused, which again, right, like Mickey, he's playing a

926
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:26,440
psycho in this. Actually one thing we forgot speaking of

927
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Mickey Rourke chewing the scenery, is his ex wife's funeral.

928
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,599
Speaker 3: It was so that part is so over the top, Okay,

929
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:44,920
So I don't know, it's one of the parts of

930
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,920
the movie that like bothers me, not like it's like

931
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,199
I wouldn't have done it. Where he's there trying to

932
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,639
grieve and the Chinese reporter is like there at the door,

933
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,079
like trying to report on what's happening, but also looking

934
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,519
at him grieving and having being sort of upset that

935
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,800
he's grieving over someone that he's you know, over his

936
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,000
wife and someone he's known since they were like little kids.

937
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:15,480
And she yeah that, like I said, she's like my

938
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:19,119
least favorite character in the movie, and at that point

939
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,199
she is exceptionally annoying, and it's just like, yeah, can

940
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,440
we just please Joey kill her any please, let's get

941
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,400
her out of the way.

942
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,559
Speaker 1: So we're building to write this big crescendo, write the showdown,

943
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,239
and he goes and talks to the port authority. They're

944
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,599
having none of it, not interested. They're like, what do

945
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,079
you want me to do? You're search an entire containership.

946
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,679
We don't have the time, you don't have a living

947
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,719
witness to attest to this. So, you know, pound sand

948
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:55,840
and so basically with no real support, Mickey Rourke goes

949
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,800
in and this is not he is not looking to

950
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,960
a rest anyone here. He is looking to kill Joey

951
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,760
and so again more over the top like craziness. Joey's

952
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,639
driving in right, you know, we see him talking to

953
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:13,679
some other guys.

954
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: When he gets in the car, pimp with his pimp buddy.

955
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And as he goes to like circle of

956
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,280
block or something, me Rourke gets into like a sixty

957
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,920
mile an hour head on collision, comes out with a gun,

958
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,559
tells the you know, the pimp to beat it, and

959
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:35,400
then they get into a fight. Someone's hand gets blown open,

960
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,880
like right through the middle of the pall the gore

961
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,880
in this. If you're the kind of psycho that you

962
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,079
know is into that is really good. Like they're doing

963
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:48,320
good practical effects in this. And they just start he

964
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,280
just starts chasing him. They're going down train tracks and

965
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,559
I don't want to say it's the most over the

966
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,000
top moment in the movie, but it's gotta be pretty

967
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,559
close the climax the way that this fight concludes. Do

968
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,159
you want to describe it, Pete.

969
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: Well, first they start, Joey starts trying to drive across

970
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,679
a train bridge, of course, and Mickey Rourke is chasing

971
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,360
behind him, and of course the train starts coming so

972
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,480
that he has to back all the way up, and

973
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,320
then he jumps out of the car. They jump out

974
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,360
of the car, and now Joey starts running across the bridge.

975
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,440
Mickey Rourke is shooting now with his left hand because

976
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,599
he just had his right hand shot all the way through.

977
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,079
And they're just shooting at each other, and they're screaming

978
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,920
at each other, and they're like they're com like they've

979
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,360
gone fucking native. They're just like they're not even human anymore,

980
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,320
the way they're screaming at each other. And you know,

981
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:49,440
finally he gets the better of Joey even though he's

982
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:57,000
been shot. And then I mean, did you expect Joey

983
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,760
to do exactly what he did? Oh, by the way,

984
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,280
Mickey Rourke of course has a desert eagle.

985
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course it's it's like, were you carrying that?

986
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: What are you doing here?

987
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: No? No, no, me very serious green berets. When they plan

988
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,199
a bombing of Trump Tower and a tesla full of fireworks,

989
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,280
they use Desert eagles. So I'll have, you know, a

990
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,039
very serious gun because he must have got that from

991
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:32,239
Joey tie. Because that's when they're standing, they're like on

992
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,840
their knees looking at each other, and Joey asked for

993
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,480
his gun because he's had a bullet, and Joey just

994
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:42,039
puts it under his chin and blows the top of

995
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:48,000
his fucking head off. And yeah, and then you we

996
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,960
see that they're doing the same thing that they always

997
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,360
do in Shinatown. They're having a walking they're having their

998
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,320
kind of funeral thing where they have his sort right

999
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,519
back to the beginning of the film.

1000
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just exactly the way the film started. And

1001
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,480
the reporter is they are covering it and fucking Stanley

1002
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,239
shows up, runs into the fucking crowd of people and

1003
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,440
just we have to arrest these people.

1004
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,199
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just losing.

1005
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: His shit, and they just start beating the living hell

1006
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:19,880
out of.

1007
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1008
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:28,599
Speaker 3: Like the freaking reporter like finally I think she we

1009
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,519
were supposed to believe that she tore everybody off of

1010
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,639
him while he's on the ground, and you know they

1011
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:40,400
they walk away together off into the rising sunset.

1012
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1013
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: And another thing is like her last line is Stanley,

1014
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,039
you're really cracked. It's just such a terrible, like B

1015
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,719
movie kind of eighties line, which is another reason why, God,

1016
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,000
I hate her character so much. But I mean, her

1017
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,760
character is important buld plot. But do you have something

1018
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,679
on the ending there?

1019
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, obviously this is this is a really

1020
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:11,239
fun movie, and we talked about a lot of what

1021
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,880
happened there. It's things that we didn't just for the

1022
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,639
sake of time. And also, like you know, if you

1023
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,840
wanted to understand the plot of the movie in over

1024
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,840
an hour, watch the movie, you know, don't listen to

1025
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,800
two guys talking about it. But obviously you have the

1026
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,280
element that this is this is cyclical, right, Chinatown is

1027
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,400
still there. You know that the forces that created you know,

1028
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,920
this whole situation are still there. Yeah, this this guy,

1029
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:38,920
you know, Ty, he burned out. But it's just like that,

1030
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,000
like it is cyclical. You know, despite all of Mickey

1031
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:45,599
Rourke's efforts, nothing systemic.

1032
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: Somebody's saying somebody's taking over the hope that the opium

1033
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,480
is still going to be coming in, the girls are

1034
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,559
still going to be prostituted, and the gambling is going

1035
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,000
to continue.

1036
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:57,559
Speaker 1: Nothing is going to change, And apparently there is no

1037
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:03,719
stronger bond between a mentally unhinged racist and his non

1038
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:04,440
white girlfriend.