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Speaker 1: And we are back. So, yes, we got a Thunderbolts.

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They said special Look. It's this weird thing where it's

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I don't know why they call this special look. It's

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just another pretty much trailer. But yeah, let's pull us

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up here and watch this. This is Thunderbolts. This is

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the opposite where unlike that movie where they're showing a

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little bit of Leader Sidewinder Hulk. Also, you know, Century

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might be in this, but they are not really showing

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the villain, which I'm very curious about, you know, q Barbosa.

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But I just feel like I wonder how the GA

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is gonna take this one. But yeah, I still liked this.

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So each trailer I've liked of the Thunderbolts, I'm excited

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for it. I've been excited for day one since they

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gave us the roster because I think, like we've said

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multiple times at geek first, we kind of like more

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of these characters where maybe some other people don't. But yeah,

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I liked this trailer. Where were you on this before

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we watch it?

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Speaker 2: I really really like this trailer.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I liked it a lot. This is definitely my

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face favorite one so far. I just I'm getting really

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hype for just seeing these these individuals interact with each other, like.

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I think they're showing off some great on screen chemistry

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throughout these trailers, and I think, if that movie is

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like pretty just generic plot, but we just get a

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lot of like like them interact with me together together,

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much you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, it doesn't. It doesn't

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seem like one that like can go wrong in many ways,

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so maybe maybe I'm expecting too much, but no, I

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think it looks really good. I was laughing at various

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points in this trailer. I think there's some good one

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liners Red Guardian. I think it's gonna be really fun

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just basing off all these characters, and Yolaine is fantastic.

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I can't wait to see just more John Walkerman, Oh

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Speaker 1: His interaction we get to the trailer with you later here,

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I'm like, oh, I can't fucking wait to see what

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our favorite midlife racist guy too.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm hoping to maybe get some more love

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for the care is like Ghost and task Master, because

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I really didn't care for those characters the first time around.

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so I think task Masters by it. I'm completely fine

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at that because they fucked up that character in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, no, it's looking good.

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Speaker 1: Jump in Escape, I got this convoy approach. I guess

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this is maybe why they did this special look thing,

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because it's like a full kind of almost scene or

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clip first beforehand.

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Speaker 3: So okay, which I like to showed Red Guardian in

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the Service shows like kind of.

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Speaker 1: Hell, it's all logan, like, oh, engaging, he was a captain,

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he was a limo driver in that movie, so.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, my god.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, where's uh, where's dance Master here? It looks

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Speaker 2: This is uh, yeah, after she died.

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Speaker 1: This is definitely after she died. I mean I do

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actually like his obviously he was never like an Avenger

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a Venture, but I do like them putting Bucky on

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like the higher tear almost and these because these guys

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are more like the B level characters, right, So he

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should be like hot shit.

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he's probably dabbled in some semi criminal areas like it

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would have known about the Winter Soldiers.

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Speaker 2: Such a mystery, and he's showing off right here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and remember in Black Widow he said that

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he knew Seve Rogers, So I bet he's gonna lie

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and see the Red Bucky as well.

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love when John buck is usially like that.

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Speaker 1: Buy monumental now you can pause here, No, after so

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many years, Kirkham, could you believe it? Twenty seventeen one

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bought Avengers Tower and they never told us who it was?

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seven years later and Val is the one that

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bought the tower. How do you feel about that? Because

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storm and Norman? Was it at four? I think there's

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this character yet, like it doesn't have a lot.

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lot of setup with this character, Like she's showed up

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Speaker 2: I really don't even know.

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Speaker 3: Like, all I know is that she's been assembling this crew,

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twenty seventeen, who bought a VENDERWS Tower, I doubt they

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had it as this character. I think they did it

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and they're like, oh, we're gonna figure out downline. Yeah,

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there's just no way in a straight face I would

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believe them that they say, oh I have val this

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character were bringing in. You know, No, I don't think

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trying to put a Avengers together, right, but it's not

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gonna work out because this isn't the Avengers. You can't

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where you're standing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the place wasn't cheap, but it's got good.

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Speaker 1: There's task Master back there.

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Speaker 2: So it was a little moment too, like showing this character.

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Speaker 1: Yes assignment, she got the Gurbils. Peel point out that

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she has a bunch of Gerbils in her hoodie as

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her cell because I feel like we talked about Florence

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Pugh like once a month this podcast. But always great

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to have Florence Peugh. You know she's gonna kill like,

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who is the best actor in the world right now.

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Speaker 3: So did you see the Her and Injury movie yet?

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Speaker 1: No? I want to It's gonna be a vod at

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expect it to be. Yeah, you got those two. It's

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gonna be an emotional movie. I'm sure it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: It'd be harder to fuck it up than get.

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Speaker 3: It good, you know exactly, Yeah you do with no

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was just he's like kind of super seared.

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Speaker 1: Regular. I Oh, it's gonna be great as usual what

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everyone walker. Shadow of.

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having all these moments, and then just task Master. Pretty

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ludicrous coming from the din store.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff like that. Very excited to get more of.

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hydro Bob. I can't remember who this guy is again,

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not doing well because like people might be like I

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show him at all in the marketing material, and then

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twist of all people don't know he's a superhuman and

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it blows up and he's the villain. But I don't know.

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on the highway. It's like, oh, yeah, Bucky is a badass.

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I forgot It's it's been a while because.

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in a badass at the same time, you know, yeah,

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so what we all just punch and shoot. It's like

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he can only be badass when he's a bad guy.

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But it's yeah, can't cars there, Thank God, you'll come.

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The boat's cool man.

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Speaker 3: Underble.

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Speaker 1: It's it's got that Avengers slot. So we'll see, we'll

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see how it does. But that's where our final question

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here of the night. Uh let's see s Pup says,

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which of the thunderbolts in Captain America are you most

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excited for, and which do you think will do the

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best at the box office. So I'm gonna give it

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to you this way. Well before there's a couple of

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other questions will answer those two. But so let's say

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you only get to see one next year, Kirkland, which

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one you see in.

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Speaker 3: That's tricky because I feel like Thunderbolts will have less

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impact on like the story of like Avengers and stuff

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going forward, but I'm really excited to see like these

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dynamics and the on screen chemistry. Oh man, that's really

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tough because like we got Eulena in here, we don't

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have Ulna and Captain America. I think, yeah, I think

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I'm gonna say Captain America just because I think this movie,

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although it's more relevant than where like let me use

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Blackwidow for example, where Black Widow came out a.

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Speaker 2: Little too late.

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Speaker 3: It was a great movie in my opinion for maybe

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that era, great movie, but like just thinking back to

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that time ray where it should have been placed, like

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I think it fits there, but it just came too

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late and it didn't have like impact on the MCU

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on where we were, And I think Thunderbolts will have

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something very similar where it'll be a fun time, but

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like it won't really feel like this is a must

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watch going forward, and like these characters might pop up

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going forward, but it's it's not as big as like

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the events that could come from Captain America. So I

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think I'm gonna have to go in that direction, but

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very slightly. It's like a fifty one forty nine split.

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Like I do really like both these trailers, and I

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am looking forward to both these projects.

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Speaker 2: But that's where I think.

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Speaker 1: Super Bad Mike speaks to mine for Pew alone, Thunderbolts

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beats Cat four for me, Yeah, Pew Boys for life, Yeah,

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I think that's it. If Pew wasn't in there, I

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think it's just because there's the other characters I'm more

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curious to see now.

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Speaker 2: Just past Master. That's why you choose that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course a lot. I can't went for the

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Red Damnation and she becomes the biggest character the MCU.

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But like there's some stuff like ford As come like

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oh that that'd be a bummer to miss. And I

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agree with you where that's my That's where I parsed

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them where I think Thunderbolts is gonna be the better movie.

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But I think Captain America will have more ramifications on

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the MCU. But that's where I would just hope that, Okay, well,

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if I got to pick one, because I do think

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there's a chance CAP could be really messy. And remember

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this is the movie that's been like reshot a bunch

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like three times, like more than so it could just

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be like they tried their best, they did what they could,

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but they're just like, I'm just not as invested as

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other characters in that movie. Sam I am, but Sam

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I am, but the whole Captain America I am, but

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not as much as Pew where I don't think I

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put her my top ten for characters when we did

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our last phase rankings, but I think I said, like,

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she's very close to it and that has a lot

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to do a Pew. But I think they did a

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great job with Lana. So yeah, that's why for me, Daltons,

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since who's worst character ghost or task Master? I've been

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on Dylan's bandwagon, you know, we've been on that bandwagon

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together that I really liked what they did with Ghosts

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and ant Man two. At least in ant Man two

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they gave her a store worry and a tragic backstory

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and something that she's has a purpose of. She is

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a villain, but she's just trying to do to fix

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herself before a body evaporates. Task Masters just a fucking

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like control dummy. So that's why it's just like for me,

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like Ghost to me is like an Academy awar written

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script character versus what task Master is.

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Speaker 3: So I would like, I didn't hear the first part,

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so I was worried about what you're saying, And like,

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you really think Ghosts is that level of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're ask me, it's like that's fucking Jack

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Torrens from the show that's like tired during from Fight

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Club Ghosts. Like that's how good Ghost is compared to

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task Masters.

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Speaker 3: But uh no, I'm saying with you, Yeah, I didn't

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like Ghost in that movie, but in comparison, yes, I

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take Ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suppose I agree, he says, I like

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said they all know so they're just punch and shoot characters,

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which I think is a good one. And then finally,

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what do you think is gonna do better box office wise?

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Don't got to give a number right now too, what

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do you think is gonna come up on top?

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Speaker 3: There's another one that's super unclear to me because I like,

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when I was watching both these trailers with Shay, she

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she gave the approval of Thunderbolts. She thought it looked

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really fun, she thought it was a good time. Captain America,

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she's like, that's so Stuig, Like, that's not Steve Rogers.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole point, that's the whole point what we

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talked about.

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Speaker 3: And then but yeah, she's not interested in Captain America

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at all. And so I feel like my explanation on

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why I chose Captain America is people's like incentive to

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go see this movie in a certain way. I'm not

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gonna speak for everyone, but there's definitely gonna be a

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category of people that will feel like that's a more

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important movie to see, pretty much just for the name,

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like the fact there's another Captain of American movie and

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this one feels like more of a suicide squad just

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kind of on like its own adventure. But like, like

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that's not everyone that sees the movies.

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Speaker 2: Like I just gave the example of Shaye, like.

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Speaker 3: She she doesn't want to see Captain like she's seen

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all these MCU movies, but she she's no interest in

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this next Captain America movie. So it's tough to say,

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because I like, I think Thunderbolts is gonna be a

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more fun movie for like just all general audience members

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and stuff like that to see. I'm still gonna say

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Captain America though, just just just for the big name

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and in fact, you've got Harrison and the Hulk in there.

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Speaker 2: They come in red.

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Speaker 3: Now, like that's a big selling point for for moviegoers.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe I'm gonna be wrong.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, this one's really tough for me because

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it's one gonna really show like I know, some might

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go like, oh, we live in a time like it

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probably wouldn't. It's not that big of a box office,

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but it's different when you got like like a whackt

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with an ip And I do think there's some things

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working onst that, Like I think there's that where there

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is people that not even if it's just not Steve Rogers,

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it's just that some people don't like it's like a

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replacement character, right, It's like, oh, it's the the lesser

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than Captain America. And then obviously you got like a

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bunch of idiots like, oh, well, you know, my Captain

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America is white and he's always gonna be white. My

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character that you know that was Shay. That's all you

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gotta tell Kirklea, you can't say that. No, yeah, always

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that's white Captain America for me. But no, it's just like,

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I don't know these fictional character con down. But you

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have that group of people I do think to get

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like a little more spicy here. I do wonder with

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them preeving as a political thriller and assassination of the president.

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I'm not out of people are saying watch this, but

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I can't see this because our president was almossassinated. I

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wonder if there's just a group of people that will

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be similar to me that anytime after COVID a COVID

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movie came out, I was like, I will not watch

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this because I have no interest in this. I wonder,

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especially at that point, once they'll have that new president

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for a month and a half, if anything political will

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make people not want to go watch it just for

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the fact that they'll be inundated with this cabinet member

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does this, and this does this, and yet da da da.

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I just wonder if there will be a fatigue of

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I don't really want anything political. And that's where Thunderbolt's like,

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it's gonna just be more fun. I agree with you.

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I'm gonna pick Cap because of Captain American name and

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Red Hulk, but I wouldn't be surprised if like a

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bunch of happens where people just go, oh yeah, I

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don't need to see this Captain America, which would suck,

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because then if it does, does happen that because I

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like what they've done with Anthony, like Sam Wilson, I

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love the you know, have the build up in the show,

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but if it does do lesser than like a big lesser,

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then it's gonna teach them like, well, we'll never do

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that again. They'll they won't kill off Falcon, but like

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your Captain America, but like you'll get see Rogers back

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very quickly. I think they will do Secret Wars. You'll

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do a reboot and you'll get a recast to Captain America,

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or they'll bench that character for a bit and he'll

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be like, uh, you'll see Cap around, but he won't

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be leading a new trilogy at all. Right, So and

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even then, the same thing, and I'm on record saying

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I can see both these movies disappointing. I can see

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people saying that that's not Captain America, and I can

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see people being like, eh, that looks like Suicide Squad.

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And you know what, I'm not really a fan of

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those movies, so like, I don't need to see that again.

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And same thing, I would suit whatever you want to

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say about Suicide Squad that had the joker character, You

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had Batman in the previews, and you had will Smith.

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That is no fucking comparison to what they got Thunderbolts,

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you know like that, and that's you know, who knows

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how the second one of Squad would have done in

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non COVID, but still that same thing was nowhere near.

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You had off Ce Margot as Harley Quinn, but like

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John Cen eyed herself. But like those aren't Will Smith.

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So that's the thing where like no one's Pew's you know, great,

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but she's not. She's never been Will Smith level, right,

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So that's the thing. So I can see them both

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kind of eating durt and we'll see. But yeah, i'll

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give it. I'll give it to cap but you never know,

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Thunderbolts could pull them up set

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Speaker 2: There, So yeah, we'll see what happens