Speaker 1: And we are back. So, yes, we got a Thunderbolts.
They said special Look. It's this weird thing where it's
like it starts off like a teaser and then there's this,
and then it's like it goes into a full trailer.
I don't know why they call this special look. It's
just another pretty much trailer. But yeah, let's pull us
up here and watch this. This is Thunderbolts. This is
the opposite where unlike that movie where they're showing a
little bit of Leader Sidewinder Hulk. Also, you know, Century
might be in this, but they are not really showing
the villain, which I'm very curious about, you know, q Barbosa.
But I just feel like I wonder how the GA
is gonna take this one. But yeah, I still liked this.
So each trailer I've liked of the Thunderbolts, I'm excited
for it. I've been excited for day one since they
gave us the roster because I think, like we've said
multiple times at geek first, we kind of like more
of these characters where maybe some other people don't. But yeah,
I liked this trailer. Where were you on this before
we watch it?
Speaker 2: I really really like this trailer.
Speaker 3: Actually, I liked it a lot. This is definitely my
face favorite one so far. I just I'm getting really
hype for just seeing these these individuals interact with each other, like.
I think they're showing off some great on screen chemistry
throughout these trailers, and I think, if that movie is
like pretty just generic plot, but we just get a
lot of like like them interact with me together together,
I think it's gonna be a fun time and pretty
much you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, it doesn't. It doesn't
seem like one that like can go wrong in many ways,
so maybe maybe I'm expecting too much, but no, I
think it looks really good. I was laughing at various
points in this trailer. I think there's some good one
liners Red Guardian. I think it's gonna be really fun
just basing off all these characters, and Yolaine is fantastic.
I can't wait to see just more John Walkerman, Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1: His interaction we get to the trailer with you later here,
I'm like, oh, I can't fucking wait to see what
our favorite midlife racist guy too.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm hoping to maybe get some more love
for the care is like Ghost and task Master, because
I really didn't care for those characters the first time around.
I think task Master is gonna die in this show.
Speaker 1: We've gone two trailers now, task Masters barely and these,
so I think task Masters by it. I'm completely fine
at that because they fucked up that character in my opinion.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, no, it's looking good.
Speaker 1: Jump in Escape, I got this convoy approach. I guess
this is maybe why they did this special look thing,
because it's like a full kind of almost scene or
clip first beforehand.
Speaker 3: So okay, which I like to showed Red Guardian in
the Service shows like kind of.
Speaker 1: Hell, it's all logan, like, oh, engaging, he was a captain,
he was a limo driver in that movie, so.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my god.
Speaker 1: But yeah, where's uh, where's dance Master here? It looks
like she didn't make it out of the first mission there.
Speaker 2: This is uh, yeah, after she died.
Speaker 1: This is definitely after she died. I mean I do
actually like his obviously he was never like an Avenger
a Venture, but I do like them putting Bucky on
like the higher tear almost and these because these guys
are more like the B level characters, right, So he
should be like hot shit.
Speaker 3: So essentially that like you know, like Red Guardian, like
he's probably dabbled in some semi criminal areas like it
would have known about the Winter Soldiers.
Speaker 2: Such a mystery, and he's showing off right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and remember in Black Widow he said that
he knew Seve Rogers, So I bet he's gonna lie
and see the Red Bucky as well.
Speaker 2: Too, So that's a bread shot there. But I just
love when John buck is usially like that.
Speaker 1: Buy monumental now you can pause here, No, after so
many years, Kirkham, could you believe it? Twenty seventeen one
bought Avengers Tower and they never told us who it was?
And here we are, God, what is that? Seven years later? Right?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven years later and Val is the one that
bought the tower. How do you feel about that? Because
obvious there's lots of theears we talked about was it
storm and Norman? Was it at four? I think there's
lots of times like in just content with oh maybe
is it Fisk? That was always a popular one with
Kingpin coming in, But it looks it not looks like
it's confirm of some stuff's changed. But how do you
feel about Val and maybe some maybe shadier people owning
Avengers Tower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely underwhelming, I would say, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just because I don't really know anything about
this character yet, like it doesn't have a lot.
Speaker 2: Of weight to it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like yeah, the names like Victor Vaughan, Doom
or like you know, like Storming, like these ones have
a lot more value and stock in my mind. So
I'm hoping that out of this movie, I just see
Val in a lot of a higher tier, especially just
kind of with what she represents and what her organization
kind of is. I'm assuming we'll find out a lot
more from this And yeah, I'm curious also just like
after this movie, like how much of an impact VAL's
gonna have like going forward, because like we've had a
lot of setup with this character, Like she's showed up
in a lot of end credits throughout the years, and
I'm like, is she our character's just gonna deal with
her in this or is she gonna be like a
new like a new Nick Fury going forward that she's
just get a joby project, Like what's gonna happen going forward.
Speaker 2: I really don't even know.
Speaker 3: Like, all I know is that she's been assembling this crew,
and it seems like numerous points in this trailer maybe
they aren't in love with everything that she's kind of
been doing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, I agree with the underwhelming I
would love Like, I can't tell you this for sure,
but I guarantee you if you were asked them in
twenty seventeen, who bought a VENDERWS Tower, I doubt they
had it as this character. I think they did it
and they're like, oh, we're gonna figure out downline. Yeah,
there's just no way in a straight face I would
believe them that they say, oh I have val this
character were bringing in. You know, No, I don't think
so here, But yeah, I think she'll obviously survive this,
and I think probably they'll be like maybe some people
that will be for her and so will be again.
So I just don't know. Also, we have that whole
ASTERIXK thing. I think that I think the working theory
is is and I don't know if they'll retitle or whatnot.
But if she bought Avengers Tower, she's assembling a team,
and you got also ross in another movie being like, oh,
I want to put the Avengers together. I think she's
trying to put a Avengers together, right, but it's not
gonna work out because this isn't the Avengers. You can't
have this, this is not your lineup for it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Where you're standing.
Speaker 2: I mean, the place wasn't cheap, but it's got good.
Speaker 3: Optics, so horrible it's ships going, Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's task Master back there.
Speaker 2: So it was a little moment too, like showing this character.
Speaker 1: Yes assignment, she got the Gurbils. Peel point out that
she has a bunch of Gerbils in her hoodie as
well too, So yeah, and again this kind of on
her cell because I feel like we talked about Florence
Pugh like once a month this podcast. But always great
to have Florence Peugh. You know she's gonna kill like,
you know, I still think she's Yeah, I think I
still Right now, I got Amma Stone as a queen,
who is the best actor in the world right now.
But Florence Peugh, I got a comfortable number two slot.
Speaker 3: So did you see the Her and Injury movie yet?
Speaker 1: No? I want to It's gonna be a vod at
the end of this month.
Speaker 2: So she saw it.
Speaker 3: She said it was really good, which is like I
expect it to be. Yeah, you got those two. It's
gonna be an emotional movie. I'm sure it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: It'd be harder to fuck it up than get.
Speaker 3: It good, you know exactly, Yeah you do with no
script and yeah, just be good, just go for it.
This scene is what made me laugh out loud. I
was just he's like kind of super seared.
Speaker 2: You get Hydra, He's like, well, fancy stuff.
Speaker 1: Regular. I Oh, it's gonna be great as usual what
everyone walker. Shadow of.
Speaker 4: Contracts like starts with Elena jumping off a building and
like looking back, having explosion, carrying turbles, Red Guardian, like
having all these moments, and then just task Master. Pretty
ludicrous coming from the din store.
Speaker 1: Captain America. You know it was actually the official Captain America.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for like two seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff like that. Very excited to get more of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if the whole movie is just like them
interacting with each other, like, I think it's gonna be
just a good time because I'm liking what I'm seeing,
So do you?
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly, Bob that should be century. Like
I feel like they got to reveal what he is
before the movie, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be in the scene right too,
because when he popped up again, I'm like, this isn't
hydro Bob. I can't remember who this guy is again,
but yeah, yeah, central this was supposed to be Stephen
Hughes's Characterians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's like this is like Marvel's Superman, right,
So I feel like that's like can get not everybody,
but least that's an interesting thing. I just feel like
it this needs a little more, like not for me,
but maybe for people to get because this is another
movie too, both this and CAP. I could see this
not doing well because like people might be like I
don't care about Sean Walker or I don't care about
like they say these names. But it's like, to me, really,
you only have like Elaine because it was Pew and
Bucky like even Ray Guardian. I know it wasn't Black Widow,
but still it's like, I don't know if those other
ones are like pulling people in my opinion, you know.
Speaker 3: So I could definitely, I don't know. I can see
it go to one of two AA's like they don't
show him at all in the marketing material, and then
in the movie's like very minor, and then at the
end he has like a pop off moment and then
you see like what the potential of the character is,
and then they can use that going forward. In the
MCU or they do show off what he is and
he's a big part, but like he's nowhere near like
going forward, especially if this doesn't do too well, they
want to, I don't know, maybe make more room for
new for characters that are new and exciting. But I
feel like Centuries does have that potential.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, but plus I feel like he's used to
think he's gonna be like he'll turn the centry and
be like out of control. I feel like he's gonna
be the the I don't know, vow will probably be
the villain, but he'll be the villain. So I feel like,
I don't know, maybe they're trying to go for that
twist of all people don't know he's a superhuman and
it blows up and he's the villain. But I don't know.
I think there's some risks there, but we'll see.
Speaker 3: All I know about Century is from Marvel Snap and
he has like this thing called the void that comes
out of him. So yes, I'm.
Speaker 1: Intrigue that will happen.
Speaker 2: As to what's gonna happen with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, we're just thwisting and we don't have purpose.
Speaker 1: Classic two said, squad, we're a bunch of losers. You know,
you can do come together so you can do something.
It's like the coolest thing Bucky's done, and like, you know,
in five years.
Speaker 3: It's FUNNYU is like that scene earlier when he's coming
on the highway. It's like, oh, yeah, Bucky is a badass.
I forgot It's it's been a while because.
Speaker 1: They couldn't find a way to make him Winter Soldier
in a badass at the same time, you know, yeah,
so what we all just punch and shoot. It's like
he can only be badass when he's a bad guy.
But it's yeah, can't cars there, Thank God, you'll come.
The boat's cool man.
Speaker 3: Underble.
Speaker 1: It's it's got that Avengers slot. So we'll see, we'll
see how it does. But that's where our final question
here of the night. Uh let's see s Pup says,
which of the thunderbolts in Captain America are you most
excited for, and which do you think will do the
best at the box office. So I'm gonna give it
to you this way. Well before there's a couple of
other questions will answer those two. But so let's say
you only get to see one next year, Kirkland, which
one you see in.
Speaker 3: That's tricky because I feel like Thunderbolts will have less
impact on like the story of like Avengers and stuff
going forward, but I'm really excited to see like these
dynamics and the on screen chemistry. Oh man, that's really
tough because like we got Eulena in here, we don't
have Ulna and Captain America. I think, yeah, I think
I'm gonna say Captain America just because I think this movie,
although it's more relevant than where like let me use
Blackwidow for example, where Black Widow came out a.
Speaker 2: Little too late.
Speaker 3: It was a great movie in my opinion for maybe
that era, great movie, but like just thinking back to
that time ray where it should have been placed, like
I think it fits there, but it just came too
late and it didn't have like impact on the MCU
on where we were, And I think Thunderbolts will have
something very similar where it'll be a fun time, but
like it won't really feel like this is a must
watch going forward, and like these characters might pop up
going forward, but it's it's not as big as like
the events that could come from Captain America. So I
think I'm gonna have to go in that direction, but
very slightly. It's like a fifty one forty nine split.
Like I do really like both these trailers, and I
am looking forward to both these projects.
Speaker 2: But that's where I think.
Speaker 1: Super Bad Mike speaks to mine for Pew alone, Thunderbolts
beats Cat four for me, Yeah, Pew Boys for life, Yeah,
I think that's it. If Pew wasn't in there, I
think it's just because there's the other characters I'm more
curious to see now.
Speaker 2: Just past Master. That's why you choose that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course a lot. I can't went for the
Red Damnation and she becomes the biggest character the MCU.
But like there's some stuff like ford As come like
oh that that'd be a bummer to miss. And I
agree with you where that's my That's where I parsed
them where I think Thunderbolts is gonna be the better movie.
But I think Captain America will have more ramifications on
the MCU. But that's where I would just hope that, Okay, well,
if I got to pick one, because I do think
there's a chance CAP could be really messy. And remember
this is the movie that's been like reshot a bunch
like three times, like more than so it could just
be like they tried their best, they did what they could,
but they're just like, I'm just not as invested as
other characters in that movie. Sam I am, but Sam
I am, but the whole Captain America I am, but
not as much as Pew where I don't think I
put her my top ten for characters when we did
our last phase rankings, but I think I said, like,
she's very close to it and that has a lot
to do a Pew. But I think they did a
great job with Lana. So yeah, that's why for me, Daltons,
since who's worst character ghost or task Master? I've been
on Dylan's bandwagon, you know, we've been on that bandwagon
together that I really liked what they did with Ghosts
and ant Man two. At least in ant Man two
they gave her a store worry and a tragic backstory
and something that she's has a purpose of. She is
a villain, but she's just trying to do to fix
herself before a body evaporates. Task Masters just a fucking
like control dummy. So that's why it's just like for me,
like Ghost to me is like an Academy awar written
script character versus what task Master is.
Speaker 3: So I would like, I didn't hear the first part,
so I was worried about what you're saying, And like,
you really think Ghosts is that level of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're ask me, it's like that's fucking Jack
Torrens from the show that's like tired during from Fight
Club Ghosts. Like that's how good Ghost is compared to
task Masters.
Speaker 3: But uh no, I'm saying with you, Yeah, I didn't
like Ghost in that movie, but in comparison, yes, I
take Ghosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suppose I agree, he says, I like
said they all know so they're just punch and shoot characters,
which I think is a good one. And then finally,
what do you think is gonna do better box office wise?
Don't got to give a number right now too, what
do you think is gonna come up on top?
Speaker 3: There's another one that's super unclear to me because I like,
when I was watching both these trailers with Shay, she
she gave the approval of Thunderbolts. She thought it looked
really fun, she thought it was a good time. Captain America,
she's like, that's so Stuig, Like, that's not Steve Rogers.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point, that's the whole point what we
talked about.
Speaker 3: And then but yeah, she's not interested in Captain America
at all. And so I feel like my explanation on
why I chose Captain America is people's like incentive to
go see this movie in a certain way. I'm not
gonna speak for everyone, but there's definitely gonna be a
category of people that will feel like that's a more
important movie to see, pretty much just for the name,
like the fact there's another Captain of American movie and
this one feels like more of a suicide squad just
kind of on like its own adventure. But like, like
that's not everyone that sees the movies.
Speaker 2: Like I just gave the example of Shaye, like.
Speaker 3: She she doesn't want to see Captain like she's seen
all these MCU movies, but she she's no interest in
this next Captain America movie. So it's tough to say,
because I like, I think Thunderbolts is gonna be a
more fun movie for like just all general audience members
and stuff like that to see. I'm still gonna say
Captain America though, just just just for the big name
and in fact, you've got Harrison and the Hulk in there.
Speaker 2: They come in red.
Speaker 3: Now, like that's a big selling point for for moviegoers.
Speaker 2: I think maybe I'm gonna be wrong.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, this one's really tough for me because
it's one gonna really show like I know, some might
go like, oh, we live in a time like it
probably wouldn't. It's not that big of a box office,
but it's different when you got like like a whackt
with an ip And I do think there's some things
working onst that, Like I think there's that where there
is people that not even if it's just not Steve Rogers,
it's just that some people don't like it's like a
replacement character, right, It's like, oh, it's the the lesser
than Captain America. And then obviously you got like a
bunch of idiots like, oh, well, you know, my Captain
America is white and he's always gonna be white. My
character that you know that was Shay. That's all you
gotta tell Kirklea, you can't say that. No, yeah, always
that's white Captain America for me. But no, it's just like,
I don't know these fictional character con down. But you
have that group of people I do think to get
like a little more spicy here. I do wonder with
them preeving as a political thriller and assassination of the president.
I'm not out of people are saying watch this, but
I can't see this because our president was almossassinated. I
wonder if there's just a group of people that will
be similar to me that anytime after COVID a COVID
movie came out, I was like, I will not watch
this because I have no interest in this. I wonder,
especially at that point, once they'll have that new president
for a month and a half, if anything political will
make people not want to go watch it just for
the fact that they'll be inundated with this cabinet member
does this, and this does this, and yet da da da.
I just wonder if there will be a fatigue of
I don't really want anything political. And that's where Thunderbolt's like,
it's gonna just be more fun. I agree with you.
I'm gonna pick Cap because of Captain American name and
Red Hulk, but I wouldn't be surprised if like a
bunch of happens where people just go, oh yeah, I
don't need to see this Captain America, which would suck,
because then if it does, does happen that because I
like what they've done with Anthony, like Sam Wilson, I
love the you know, have the build up in the show,
but if it does do lesser than like a big lesser,
then it's gonna teach them like, well, we'll never do
that again. They'll they won't kill off Falcon, but like
your Captain America, but like you'll get see Rogers back
very quickly. I think they will do Secret Wars. You'll
do a reboot and you'll get a recast to Captain America,
or they'll bench that character for a bit and he'll
be like, uh, you'll see Cap around, but he won't
be leading a new trilogy at all. Right, So and
even then, the same thing, and I'm on record saying
I can see both these movies disappointing. I can see
people saying that that's not Captain America, and I can
see people being like, eh, that looks like Suicide Squad.
And you know what, I'm not really a fan of
those movies, so like, I don't need to see that again.
And same thing, I would suit whatever you want to
say about Suicide Squad that had the joker character, You
had Batman in the previews, and you had will Smith.
That is no fucking comparison to what they got Thunderbolts,
you know like that, and that's you know, who knows
how the second one of Squad would have done in
non COVID, but still that same thing was nowhere near.
You had off Ce Margot as Harley Quinn, but like
John Cen eyed herself. But like those aren't Will Smith.
So that's the thing where like no one's Pew's you know, great,
but she's not. She's never been Will Smith level, right,
So that's the thing. So I can see them both
kind of eating durt and we'll see. But yeah, i'll
give it. I'll give it to cap but you never know,
Thunderbolts could pull them up set
Speaker 2: There, So yeah, we'll see what happens