WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.960 Charles Manson did not become the Antichrist and take over 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.480 the world, right, I'm just we're ending in the apocalyptic. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.000 My telling of the history is the hippies did win. 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:11.560 That's when progress stopped and the hippies won in the 5 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.599 seventeenth century. I can imagine a doctor Strange Love taking 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:16.239 over the world. 7 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:18.559 In our world is far more. 8 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.800 Likely to be Brettathunburg, the breat of Future, Gretathunberg. 9 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.039 Gretathunburg's on a boat, Brettathuneburg. 10 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:29.440 God, God will not leave us eternally being lectured by Gretathunburg. 11 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:31.160 Right, he will not abandon us. 12 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.840 The only three on offer in Europe are green Sharia 13 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:40.039 and totalitarian communist state, and the Bread of Future is 14 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:41.439 by far the strongest. 15 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.200 All Right, we did We've done a few episodes in 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:59.320 a row of kind of some pretty heavy theory, some 17 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.079 pretty hard reading, some pretty homeworky shit. So this is 18 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:08.280 some less homeworky shit. We watched an interview with someone 19 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.040 who I didn't We all know his name, right, we 20 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.760 all know who he is. He is super funny, but 21 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.400 I didn't know he was a fucking wacko like he 22 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:20.920 is a he's a boogeyman for the left, you know, 23 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:24.359 broadly speaking, So we thought it would be fun to 24 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.280 see to see what his psychological state looks like in 25 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.799 a one hour, off the leash kind of interview, because 26 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:35.560 he's a powerful guy, and uh at best were disturbed. 27 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:37.599 This was this was very entertaining. 28 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.200 Yeah, I agree, kind of a nutcase. 29 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.480 Yeah, it was more than disturbing. Now, we did talk 30 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:50.120 a lot about Peter Teel in a previous episode, which 31 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:54.280 was that that was about the mold Bug episode when 32 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:58.280 we were getting into some of the dark Enlightenment stuff. Yeah, 33 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.000 he's got something called the stagnation thesis, which is basically 34 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:07.280 saying there is this like extremely fast technological process starting 35 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.520 at seventeen fifty with the Industrial Revolution and going all 36 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.000 the way to the nineteen seventies. We were at this 37 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.919 this like progress, economic growth and technological development and scientific 38 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.479 progress at an accelerating pace, and then it comes to 39 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.520 a halt for various reasons, and we go into a 40 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:32.719 phase of stagnation. And AI is one of the great exceptions. 41 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.400 Not just immortality, but also like we're not trying to 42 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.240 go to Mars apparently, and like that's a sign we're 43 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:38.120 not making progress. 44 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.759 And we're not investing heavily in nuclear power. And like 45 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:44.000 the he said, all the research stopped with you know, 46 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:50.319 the Alamo Los Alamos, like it really stopped progress in 47 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:55.000 nuclear research. And he's like it's tied into his hatred 48 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.520 of socialism and thinking that like the government and socialism 49 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.879 are the same thing, and anything the government does is socialists. 50 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.919 So regulating AI all that weird, wo gay eye shit, 51 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.680 that's socialism. Regulating nuclear bombs because you know, having everyone 52 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.400 having nukes could be problematic, that's socialism. Anything the government 53 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.439 does is socialism. It's tied in with that kind of 54 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:20.479 idea as well. 55 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.000 You're you're making him sound too sane. This is like 56 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.360 the argument that any sane right winger would make socialism 57 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:28.039 is the enemy. 58 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.240 But this is I think it is insane. 59 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.560 This is one of the the top ten most powerful 60 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.599 people in the world probably arguably, right, Is there any argument? 61 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.280 Probably he's a billionaire, so he's up there. 62 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:44.000 He's got one of the one of the most valuable companies, 63 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.360 probably one of the top ten tech companies at least 64 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:52.240 calendar by market cap, and it's on the increase, unlike 65 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.680 some of the other ones. It's on the increase, But 66 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.319 I just wanted to before we get into his his 67 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:02.199 his strange theories of escataglogy and his strange theories of history. 68 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:07.599 I just thought this was he's a very weird vibes guy, 69 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.759 like for being one of the most powerful people on 70 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.879 the world, in the world, he is paranoid. I want 71 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:19.759 to say, he's extremely paranoid. But also what he fears. 72 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.120 Maybe it's just because I'm not a billionaire, but the 73 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.920 fears he has make no sense. His conspiracy theory will 74 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:32.800 skip to end. Maybe his conspiracy theory is that the 75 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:38.920 Antichrist is Greta Thunberg, and Greta Thunberg is going to 76 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.519 end history. But also that history already, as you alluded to, 77 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:50.240 before history ended in either nineteen forty five or nineteen 78 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:56.759 sixty nine, because after the moon landing then LSD and 79 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.720 Charles Manson took over I don't know what over they 80 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:01.680 took over the world. 81 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.000 That comment was one insane The comment about Charles Manson 82 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.800 like made me pause. The video rewind and it was like, 83 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.319 what the fuck did he just said? He said something 84 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:13.160 in the line and I think this is probably one 85 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:15.519 of the most revealing lines in the interview. He has 86 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.240 something in the line that Charles Manson took LSDEP and 87 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:23.959 became a Dostoyevsky villion. He transcended laws and morals, but 88 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.720 not anyone can be like Charles Manson, Like what the 89 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.839 fuck are you implying, dude? Like like what was he saying? 90 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.839 Like that whole sentence, the sentence by itself, like Charles 91 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:37.079 Manson took ls DEEP and became a Dostoyevsky villain. He 92 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.399 transcended morals, but not that anybody can be like Charles Manson. 93 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.120 Like the implications of that sentence alone is for an essay. 94 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:45.160 I swear to god. 95 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.639 Yeah, everyone became as direct. 96 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.519 Think we're lying. I can drop in the the citations. 97 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.839 Here, Baconian science. It ended at los almost and then 98 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.560 it was okay, it ended there, and we didn't want 99 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.839 to have any more. And you know, uh, you know 100 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.639 when Charles Manson took LSD in you know, the late 101 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.079 sixties and started murdering people, what he saw on LSD, 102 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.199 what he learned was that you could be like dosta Yevsky, 103 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.399 an anti hero and Dostayevsky and everything was permitted. And 104 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.319 of course not everyone became Charles Manson but but Charles 105 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.160 the history, everyone became as deranged as Charles man. 106 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.600 But Charles Manson did not become the Antichrist and take 107 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.360 over the world. Right, I'm just I'm just we're ending 108 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:32.319 in the apocalyptic. 109 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.360 But my telling of the my telling of the history 110 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.680 of the nineteen seventies is the hippies did win. 111 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.879 Everyone became as deranged as Charles Manson. Charles Manson did 112 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.360 not become the Anti Christ and take over the world. 113 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.879 I'm just, I'm just we're ending, We're ending in the apocalypse. 114 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.160 Like like he's so the anti Christ? Is this coming 115 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:54.839 apocalyptic figure. 116 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.800 If anyone's wondering why Victor's camera is off, it's because 117 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.160 he is like Arles Manson on LSD and completely deranged. 118 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.519 Is in a cabin somewhere. 119 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.240 Yeah, I mean, I'm so tempted to try my camera 120 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.160 again because I did. I did move close to the house. 121 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.199 I don't know. We can just try see if it works, 122 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:12.000 but I don't know. 123 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.639 Look at that Canadian wilderness. 124 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.399 Yeah yeah, yeah, that's that's his backyard. 125 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.040 I have the place to hide some bodies. Victory. 126 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:21.839 I have to hold my mic because I forgot my 127 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:22.839 mic stent back. 128 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.759 In Toronto, just at City Hall for the day. 129 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.839 He's at the Brazoni family compound. 130 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:28.639 It's in the woods. 131 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.600 I'm actually in a house that's made of hey bail. 132 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.399 Anyway, So, so Peter Till, Peter Till started as a 133 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.240 venture capitalist. Like he raised like a million dollars from 134 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.199 friends and family. He started investing in some shit, he 135 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.040 got into PayPal, like, he started with these anarcho capitalist 136 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.160 libertarian ideas of saying that, like you guys were saying, like, 137 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:51.000 he's framing socialism in a very carricaturesque way, like anything 138 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.560 the state does is anti natural because it creates boundaries 139 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.879 for human behavior. So libertarians appeal to this notion that 140 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.839 capitalism is is human nature and as we are traders 141 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.800 and we we tend to naturally develop towards capitalism. But 142 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.879 at some point he also says that Ellen must give 143 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.920 up on the dream of going to Mars because socialism 144 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.040 will follow us into Mars. And then it's like, so, dude, 145 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:17.399 like what the fuck are you saying? 146 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.639 So, so, if if socialism is going to follow us 147 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:25.600 into Mars, if we expand as a transplanetary civilization, then 148 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.759 maybe socialism is human nature, you fucking asshole. It's like, 149 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.000 what the fuck, Like, I don't get these guys, Like 150 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:36.480 they try to make this very deep, like profound sounding arguments, 151 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.960 and they treat them in the most dumb, stupid way possible. 152 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.480 It's it's truly insane, Like they don't even understand the 153 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.440 ideology they're supposed to be defending. 154 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.120 Like most of what he says is purely schism. It's 155 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.879 not even it's not even meaningful or rooted in a 156 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.519 philosophical system by itself. 157 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.720 And again, less lest you think that he's making too 158 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.559 much sense by arguing against socialism, No, they're they're actually 159 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.799 there three forces that are fighting. I'll want to insert 160 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:05.559 the clip too. There are three fight forces that are 161 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.679 currently battling over Europe. The dragons maybe you call them. 162 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.200 I want to say, it's the only thing people still 163 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.799 believe in in Europe, Like, you know, they believe in 164 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.159 the green thing more than Islamic Sharia law or more 165 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:23.879 than in you know, the Chinese communists totalitarian takeover and 166 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.440 the future is an idea of a future that looks 167 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.080 different from the present. The only three on offer in 168 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:35.600 Europe are green Sharia and you know, the totalitarian communist 169 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.159 state and the green one is by far the strongest. 170 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:44.600 They are Chinese style communism. Okay, in Europe, right sharia 171 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:51.200 law and environmentalism. Environmentalism and then supposedly progress is the 172 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.399 one being drowned out here. But environmentalism is winning the 173 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:58.720 fight against sharia law and Chinese communism for control over 174 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.240 the end times, battle of Europe. 175 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.360 It's insane. It's beyond insane. It's crazy. 176 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.519 Yeah, which I love. This is this is genius. The 177 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.519 problem is, Okay, I have a problem with the interviewer here. 178 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:12.840 I wanted to let's. 179 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:13.440 Talk about Rostou. 180 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:15.720 I want to quickly bring this up because I I 181 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:20.360 was like, okay, New York Times, you know, you expect competence. 182 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.639 They went to probably a good journalism school. But this guy, 183 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:25.799 he's a. 184 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.279 Token conservative though that's the like Rosstout, it is the 185 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:29.200 token conservative. 186 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.519 I didn't know that, but I learned. I learned, uh 187 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.399 from having done some research on him, because there was 188 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.440 no ideological pushback. And then Peter Thiel says offhanded things 189 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.360 like well, credit Tunberg is the Antichrist, and the interviewer goes, well, 190 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.440 she might be the antichrist, but kind of what you're 191 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:51.000 saying is like the control over economic growth is the antichrist, right, 192 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:57.879 and Peter Teel's like, no, actually, Cretituneberg, Yeah, he's like sitting. 193 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:01.879 There rationalizing his crazy thing. He's like rationalized, and the 194 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.080 be like, yeah, yeah, I understand. I don't agree with 195 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.360 your rhetoric, but I agree with the substance of what 196 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:06.840 you're saying. 197 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.200 It's okay, great, look, I'll put it up here. This 198 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.320 is the uh Ross Stoute's last article, which is called 199 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.679 how Israel's War became unjust? First sentence, Israel's war in 200 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.440 Gaza is not a genocide, period, It's a war for 201 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:28.679 a just cause, the elimination of a cruel, fanatical, potentially 202 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.000 genocidal terrorist organization. Blah blah. So this is lastly the rest. 203 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.279 But I went deeper. Okay, so that's bog standard conservative 204 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:44.279 media person I found out. First of all, you'll love 205 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:49.480 this victor adult convert to Catholicism. But why did he 206 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.559 convert to Catholicism. He's quote a huge fan of Lewis, 207 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:56.879 a mid twentieth century Anglican who penned the Chronicles of 208 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:02.440 Narnia and JR. Tolki, another anti modern conservative Catholic. So 209 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.240 if you converted to Catholicism because of Lord of the 210 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:10.039 Rings I personally and the line and the line, the 211 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.480 rich of the word robe, I say you should you 212 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.799 should not be allowed to own a computer and especially 213 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.480 not be allowed to spread your opinions in the New 214 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:19.240 York Times. 215 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:21.360 Well it was weird, though, wasn't There were like weird 216 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.759 conservative themes that were coming out through that interview too, 217 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.240 or sorry, weird Christian themes because I feel like the 218 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.399 debate over what the Antichrist is and I kept feeling 219 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.399 like Ross Deut that kind of wanted to like agree, 220 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:33.759 but then I don't know if you guys noticed, but 221 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.080 I felt like there were just moments where then like 222 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.159 Peter Teel would say stuff and like you could feel 223 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.559 rosstout it being like that's definitely like that's weird, like 224 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.120 that's not what like like like Christians think kind of 225 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.039 like I felt like he was reacting on behalf of 226 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.279 like a Christian audience and kind of being like, well, 227 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.519 like maybe there's a way that like this could make sense, 228 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.519 and then everybody would crazy and he'd be like, I 229 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.000 don't know, okay, like maybe. 230 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.879 Is the same like a non prolific argumentation that this 231 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.360 discussing about the density of the mineral and materials of 232 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.039 the one ring being carried to murder, you know, like 233 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.720 they're trying to out Christian themselves. Is like, man, this 234 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:13.679 is totally bullshitty. This, this being in the New York 235 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.320 Times is beyond pathetic. It's beyond pathetic. 236 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.559 Yeah, I know, what's New York Times trying to be 237 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:19.200 trying to be. 238 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.320 Not just Book of Revelation fanfic, but Lord of the Rings. 239 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.159 This guy, we're actually like, like, I know Eric has 240 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.919 brought this up at nauseum, but if you actually read 241 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.840 Lord of the Rings, this guy is literally Saruman. 242 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.159 Yeah, he wants to he wants. 243 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.080 To breed his own workforce. He wants to live in 244 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.960 a private city that he controls. He's the supreme Lord 245 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.799 of check. 246 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:46.519 He wants to create a polaneer. 247 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.320 He wants to cut down all the trees so he 248 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:55.960 can heat his furnaces, flying fucking cars for technological progress. 249 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.000 There's the fourth one owns Palatineer's Insane, which the devil 250 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.399 used to corrupt sorrowmon at a distance, Like, what are 251 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:04.679 we doing here, guys? 252 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:08.799 The magical stone exactly takes over people's minds. 253 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.720 With exactly exactly. It's crazy. I also I also feel 254 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.799 like my my overall feeling is like this is like 255 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.480 a rich guy who just like wants to live forever. 256 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.240 Like I feel like that was, you know, like if 257 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.679 I was to oversimplify it, I'm just like, this is 258 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.679 like an obsessive rich guy who wants to live forever, 259 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:29.159 and he's mad that society isn't like trying to figure 260 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.120 that out sooner, and it's like the environmentalists who are 261 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:33.600 getting in the way. And like at one point he 262 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.200 even says, I don't know if you guys picked up 263 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.080 on it, but he's like, you know, medical research needs 264 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.360 to take more risks, and in other words, what does 265 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.279 he mean by that? He means like experiment more on humans, 266 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:47.679 like experiment on marginalize people more like like just get 267 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:52.039 me that fucking immortality, whatever it takes. And like this market, 268 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.279 like all these environmentalists and ethical concern people, they're getting 269 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.240 in my way of immortality. And like I feel like 270 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.440 that's like his number one, like if I was obviously 271 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.440 over simplification. But that's my feeling of like a obsession. 272 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.679 Which again is sorumon who bred red orcs in his 273 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.720 like dungeons. 274 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:13.639 Yeah, but but Loki, I felt he's like this so 275 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:19.039 self loading perverts, you know, like, yeah, it's it's it's 276 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.759 I felt this constantly over the interview. There's there's notion 277 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.879 like to be to be a transhumanist, one reading, one 278 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.200 reading of transhumanism from a Marxist background, it would be 279 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.720 this very famous sentence from for Marx, everything that is 280 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.960 solid gets melted into liquid, and everything that is sacred 281 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.120 becomes profane. Yeah yeah, okay, so sorry that my translation 282 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.879 was wrong. Melt comes into air and everything that is 283 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.919 sacred becomes profane. And I think like the second part 284 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.559 is clear. He mentions these dialectics between sacred and profane 285 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.679 constantly from sacred is either progress or stagnatian, and profane 286 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.279 is the is the opposition, you know, like we could 287 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.799 even use like I've been reading Battitle a lot on 288 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:09.759 the difference between homogeny and heterogeny and the opposition and 289 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.519 the exclusion of otherness, and like, in this sense, I 290 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:18.360 felt constantly in his discourse these dialectics between stagnation and progress, 291 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.480 sacred and profane. Right, but the self loathing part, according 292 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.600 to me, is the fact that transhumanism in a way 293 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.000 is a loath for flesh or a you know, like 294 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:36.759 a hate for material limitations to truly believe in transhumanism. 295 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.279 And he makes this point during the interview, you know, 296 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:43.200 like he says, we can be more trans than transvestise. 297 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.799 You know, I want to change my heart. I want 298 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.320 to you know, like you have to have a certain 299 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.240 degree of detachment from your body or even loathe and 300 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.200 hate for your own self to be able to say 301 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.080 I want to transcend myself to a point where I 302 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:03.480 leave everything behind, right, just disappear into nothingness. You know. 303 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.799 But I think that's but that's connected to his immortality. 304 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.680 I think because like his hatred, like I feel likething 305 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.039 not making Yeah. 306 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.279 I did not pick up the self loathing because I 307 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.119 don't think he considers his body to be himself. 308 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.720 Yeah, I feel like he hates the fact that his 309 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.880 body is gonna kill him. But it was weird because 310 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.440 because but it was weird because later he said, like, 311 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.160 I don't want to like be in some computer. I 312 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.200 want my body. I want to keep my body. But 313 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.119 I also totally picked up on what you said diego too. 314 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.519 So I was actually confused because on the one hand, 315 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.480 I felt like he was talking about transcending. But then 316 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.680 at other points he said something about how he wanted 317 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.640 to like not live in a computer program or something 318 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:40.039 like that. 319 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.680 And the reason he picks up this sort of whole 320 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:47.240 Christianized argument too with the anti christ is he's saying, like, 321 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:52.599 orthodox Christianity supports transhumanism, Like it's even more transhumanism than 322 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.480 any ideology, because the idea is that like you die 323 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.759 and you are reborn. Yeah, like it's literally like rebirth 324 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:02.960 in an afterlife and a promised land. 325 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.000 Yeah, Christians should be ultra transhumanist, is like kind of 326 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:07.640 his thesis. 327 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.680 Yeah, So he's trying to rearticulate this stagnation thesis in 328 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.680 a religious register, saying, the coming Antichrist is whatever the 329 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.559 greta future or whatever, this is exactly, and what we 330 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.359 need to do to avoid that he's saying is separate 331 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.119 between two antichrist views. One of them is he says, 332 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.400 this seventeenth century antichrist view where some evil mad man 333 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.319 is gonna invent kind of like Sauron with the Ring, right, 334 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.599 some evil mad man is going to invent technology doctor 335 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.720 Strange Love style and hold the world hostage. The classic 336 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.160 movie villain of like Marvel but he's saying, no, there's 337 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.680 a new Antichrist now, and the Antichrist is the one 338 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.160 who convinces you to hand over all your technology into 339 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.839 the government safekeeping to regulate everything. And he says that's 340 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:01.200 the true Antichrist, and that is a like irreparable stagnation 341 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.079 situation that he feels like we need to avoid, but 342 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.839 also that it's kind of here already. It was I 343 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.839 think the interviewer brought that out a little bit, that 344 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.720 that was a kind of unclear, and he's and so 345 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.920 his mission is to like avoid that by developing I 346 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:22.440 don't know, Palenteer developing surveillance technology and facial recognition technology 347 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.440 and selling AI to Israel to help like bomb Gaza. 348 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.880 I don't understand his reasoning. And it was the funniest 349 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.119 moment is near the end when the interviewer is like, 350 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:34.720 don't you think like the Antichrist would be doing what 351 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:39.119 you're doing? Basically, like if you want to avoid the Antichrist, 352 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.200 but you fucking sound like the Antichrist, man, come on. 353 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.200 And then his response is like, ah, well, there's different degrees. 354 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:51.319 You're deeply invested in Pallenteer in military technology and technologies 355 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.240 of surveillance and technologies of warfare and so on. Right, 356 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.240 And it just seems to me that when you tell 357 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.880 me a story about out the Antichrist coming to power 358 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.519 and using the fear of technological change to sort of 359 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.240 impose order on the world, I feel like that Antichrist 360 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.240 would be maybe be using the tools that you think 361 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:16.440 you were that you were building, right, Like, wouldn't the 362 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.279 Antichrist be like, great, you know, we're not gonna have 363 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.079 any more technological progress. But I really like what Palanteer 364 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.720 has done so far. Right, But isn't that isn't that 365 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.960 a concern? Wouldn't that be the you know, the irony 366 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.079 of history would be that the man publicly worrying about 367 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.559 the Antichrist accidentally hastens his or her arrival. 368 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:42.480 Uh, They're all they are all these different. 369 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:44.440 Scenario. 370 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.480 I obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing. 371 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.200 And he goes on to say how the antichrist future 372 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.759 will come about in his view, which is just like 373 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.799 either genetically will just become a more docile species, or like, 374 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:01.839 through thorough wokeization, we will just give up all technology 375 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:05.559 to the safekeeping of like an atomic priesthood style of 376 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.559 like like Warhammer forty k the fucking Mars tech priests 377 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:12.000 or something like that are gonna take all our technology 378 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.480 away from us. 379 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:15.640 Insane vision. 380 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.599 But I'm not surprised that people from Silicon Valley who 381 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.880 love Ann Rand and get invited to do talks by 382 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.240 the end Rand Society believe this shit. It's not surprising. 383 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:32.039 We have two thousand years of eschatology trying to interpret revelation. 384 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.079 Who's the Antichrist? Is it? Is it Nero? Is it? 385 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.440 Is it the Pope? Is it Stalin? Is it Hitler? No, 386 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.480 it's a sweetest Zoomer with autism. That's the Antichrist. 387 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.680 Yeah, that's just the fucking best man. I swear to god. 388 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.759 The Gritta Dumberg Antichrist thing was like, oh my god, 389 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:53.640 that's so perfect. 390 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:57.119 In the seventeenth century, I can imagine a doctor Strange 391 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:01.720 love Edward Teller type person taking over the world. In 392 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:05.079 our world is far more likely to be Gratathunberg. 393 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.960 Okay, I want to suggest a middle ground. He says it, 394 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.039 like so seriously, Yeah. 395 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:10.680 Yeah, I don't know. 396 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.279 I'm not even being metaphorical here. She's literally Satan, Like, yeah, 397 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.599 the blonde girl in the boat going to help starving 398 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:18.519 kids in Palestine. 399 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.079 Yeah, she's literally totally yeah, totally crazy. 400 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.160 His big thing is the Antichrist sells peace and safety. Bitch, 401 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.400