WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.960 Hey everyone, and welcome back to the nonprofits. Today we're 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:08.279 going to Texas, where the Ten Commandments have made their 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.919 wares into public schools. Demien hasborn, Demien, I. 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:16.960 Do indeed thank you. In an article from KHOU eleven 5 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.679 by Ann james On during the twenty first twenty twenty five, 6 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:25.320 comes news that Texas Governor Greg Abbott has signed Senate 7 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:28.960 Bill ten into law after it passed the Senate twenty 8 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:32.000 one to ten and the House eighty two to forty six. 9 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.200 For those who may not know, Senate Bill ten is 10 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:39.439 Texas's version of the controversial laws that have already been 11 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:45.000 passed by Louisiana and Arkansas legislatures requiring classrooms in all 12 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:49.280 schools in the state to either display a sixteen x 13 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.520 twenty inch poster of the Ten Commandments in classrooms or 14 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.560 to accept donations of posters of the Ten Commandments. However, 15 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:01.759 the ACLU has already say to that they will issue 16 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.959 a legal challenge to Senate Bill ten. Let's go over 17 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:06.519 to the panel for some discussion. 18 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.760 Awesome, thanks daman So. I actually remember talking about this 19 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.319 on an episode with some other nonprofits a few weeks ago. 20 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.359 Kelly and aj right after a pass in the state House. 21 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:21.879 We were really hopeful. There was a representative in Texas 22 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.280 named James Aillerico that was kind of fighting against this, 23 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:28.719 which we were really impressed by because as a Christian Democrat, 24 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.480 he was fighting for the in favor of a separation 25 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.840 of church and state, which of course at the ACA 26 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:39.560 we align with that. Now that being said, Damien, the 27 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.760 article cludus in on some of the stated motives for 28 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:49.560 the bill, particularly by Representative Noble, that it's foundational to 29 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.799 our history and to education. Are you convinced by that 30 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.159 or do you think it's more likely that they're just 31 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:56.280 kind of following suit. 32 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.959 I'm not convinced by Representative Noble in the least. So, 33 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.120 just to clarify, a Representative Candy Noble is quoted in 34 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.639 the article as saying, nothing is more deeply rooted in 35 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.360 the fabric of our American tradition of education than the 36 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.560 Ten Commandments. The very way we treat others as a 37 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.199 society comes from the principles of the Ten Commandments. In 38 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.639 these days of court room mayhem, it's time to return 39 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.560 to the truth, to the fabric of our educational system. 40 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.159 Respect authority, respect others, and don't steal tell the truth, 41 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.199 don't kill keep your word. And I find those very 42 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.840 ironic things for a politician to be saying myself. No, 43 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:47.240 I'm not convinced of the educational value of putting the 44 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.520 Ten Commandments up in a poster in classroom. I think 45 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:56.719 if Texas and these other states that want to claim 46 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.479 putting the Ten Commandments up as an educational benefit, what 47 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:05.800 they really should be doing is focusing on school infrastructure, teachers, salaries, 48 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:11.560 teaching conditions, you know, enforcing standards in education to make 49 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.039 sure that when the children that leave the education system, 50 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.560 have they been educated or have they been indoctrinated. I 51 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.159 think that's the big question that they that people need 52 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:21.680 to answer. 53 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.000 Yeah. Absolutely, that's a really good way to put it. 54 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.120 I definitely agree that you mentioned like that the concepts 55 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.000 she named like that, don't steal the be kind, you know, 56 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.919 respect authority, things like that, those don't have anything to 57 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.719 do with educating or being educated exactly. And they're not 58 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.599 they weren't even novel to the Ten Commandments. Like the 59 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.719 things that the things that were that are that are 60 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.719 unique to the Ten Commandments are the things that are 61 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.120 about that religion. So uh, and there's only two religions 62 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.120 or no, sorry, only uh, two religions in the world 63 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.360 that follow those. So, but Jonathan, coming to you, now, 64 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.879 do you think that taking you know, steps like this 65 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.599 in public education saying yes, this is something that will 66 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.879 be included in our public schools. That is that something 67 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.639 that could be seen as an extension of states' rights 68 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.680 that they can that they can claim the authority to 69 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.439 do that, or is it just problematic? 70 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:21.720 It's just problematic. The problem, of course, is obvious to us. 71 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.800 But when people are zealous in their particular religion, it 72 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.800 doesn't matter what religion it is. They have the feeling 73 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.920 that everybody should be like them and so and we 74 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.519 should make sure that everybody's like them so that we 75 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.959 can be comfortable in our own skins. But the problem 76 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.720 with that is that not everybody is like you. There 77 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.199 are other religions involved, and there are quite a few 78 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.800 people who are not religious at all and really don't 79 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.040 want to hear your bullshit, you know, so, and that's 80 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.920 exactly what it is. It's a bunch of bollocks, as 81 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.680 a friend of mine says, and that and if you're 82 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.759 going to teach religion, don't claim it's historical. I mean 83 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.079 any any and don't claim it's a part of Americana. 84 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:15.199 Any rational historian who takes a passing glance at the 85 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.959 foundation of this country will show you one of the 86 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.639 key foundational elements was the separation of church and state. 87 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.839 These people had just immigrated from Europe, which has been 88 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.680 war torn with religious wars for a thousand years. Okay, 89 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.920 they were sick and tired of people killing each other 90 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.160 over differences in their belief structure. Okay, so at this 91 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.199 point they came over here and said, we're not going 92 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.720 to have that. No religion in government, period. That's what 93 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.480 the history says. These people want to make it differently 94 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:51.040 because they don't feel comfortable. They like being the victims, 95 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:55.720 you know, they like, you're repressing our religion. No, you're 96 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:00.759 trying to proselytize. That's against the rules. You know, intolerance 97 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.680 is not tolerable in a tolerance society, you know. So 98 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.000 it's like that just drives me nuts. But you know, 99 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.519 I just think that the cult wars is all a 100 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.240 bunch of bullshit, you know, that they need to come 101 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:12.600 off of. 102 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.959 So you mentioned the persecution complex, but like this is 103 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.360 kind of a dub for Christians, right, because they've sort 104 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.639 of they seem to have circumvented the separation of church 105 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:27.120 and state. We may not officially have, you know, a 106 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.000 national religion, but you can you can imagine this might 107 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.879 this might be what it would look like if we did. So. 108 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.720 Do you think the persecution complex will finally end? Now? 109 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:39.000 They're going to figure out a way to play the 110 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.639 victim every time they turn around. And you know, it's 111 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.800 just not the persecution complex. It's that the people who 112 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.240 don't want their kids indoctrinated into Christianity are going to 113 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.680 have to homeschool their kids, and that is a big investment. 114 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.360 One of the parents is going to have to be 115 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.199 home all the time. There's not going to be double income, 116 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.319 you know, to pay the astronomical bills that are already 117 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.079 high but are going to go higher in the next 118 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:08.560 six months, so three months probably. But you have to 119 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.000 understand that people don't have the ability to do that. 120 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.879 So they do get a w for that, because they're 121 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.519 still going to be able to put their religion in 122 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.199 front of young minds who aren't fully developed yet and 123 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.560 don't have the critical skin thinking skills. Some of them do, 124 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.639 I know a couple of them, but most don't in 125 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.959 order to be able to sort that out and say, yeah, 126 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:33.839 this is crap and this part of it's good and 127 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.040 this part of it's almost crap. You know, they know 128 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.920 how to when they start learning how to think, that's 129 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:44.279 when they start getting indoctrinated, because if you do it 130 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.360 too late, once they're in high school and their brain 131 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.720 is almost put together, it doesn't do it completelyun till 132 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.360 age twenty five, but it's still plastic enough to where 133 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.759 if you wait much longer than that and they've already 134 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.319 formed whatever, they're going to be at that point. So, 135 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.360 you know, and that just drives me crazy. You know 136 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:08.560 that we are we're basically abusing children by forcing religion 137 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.560 in the classroom. That's abusing everybody's child. Who isn't that 138 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.839 particular brand of Christian They're using a Bible that none 139 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.759 of the Catholics believe is true. Catholicism is the largest 140 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.199 denomination of Christianity in the United States true, you know, 141 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.480 And so you know, they're they're they're thumbing their nose 142 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.279 at the Catholics, They're you know, they're thumbing their nose 143 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.840 at the Mormons, They're thumbing their nose at the Jehovah's 144 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.759 witnesses there, which of course I don't mind them doing that, 145 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.399 but I think it would be better down if they 146 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.480 just tried to, you know, at least be nice to people, 147 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:44.799 you know, but I guess being nice is not a 148 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.360 Christian thing anymore. But I'm going to stop ranting right now. 149 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:53.639 No, totally fair, get let it all out. But Damien, 150 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.240 you and I we found you, and I found a 151 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.000 little bit of irony. And the same quote from Noble 152 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.000 about Mayhem, do you want to do you want to 153 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:02.720 ask man on that? 154 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.960 Look, there was a quote from I think I didn't 155 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:12.879 mention it before, where this representative Noble said, in this 156 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.240 time of court, in these days of court room Mayhem. 157 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.440 And it's just interesting how the very the number one 158 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.000 Republican in the land, Donald Trump, is part of the 159 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.360 reason for the courtroom mayhem that you know, he's he's 160 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.559 trying to push all these all these legislator, let all 161 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.600 these pieces of legislation and executive orders through, and he 162 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.519 keeps on getting blocked by the court. And then the 163 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:40.120 Supreme Court comes and like bails him out. And this 164 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.720 is interesting, how you know the GOP are going, Oh, look, 165 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.519 these days of court room mayhem that my party is 166 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:55.000 is fueling. As I say, Jonathan made an interesting point 167 00:09:55.039 --> 00:10:00.679 about parents homeschooling their children, because it's also fact that 168 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.440 lots of Christians homeschooled these children because they don't want 169 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.360 to be indoctrinated. They don't want these shorten to be 170 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.840 indoctrinated by secular education. 171 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:17.039 By evolutionists, by evolutionistnessness. It is getting more common, definitely. 172 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.600 I have family members who who I guess not so 173 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.960 much anymore, at least for the first couple of years 174 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.120 for one of their children they were they were homeschooling. 175 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.960 But uh yeah, it's it's it's become more common. But 176 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:33.919 it is those pressures and those I guess difficulties that 177 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.039 that it comes with that you mentioned to Jonathan, that 178 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.600 just makes it, while more popular, less and less viable 179 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:46.360 as time goes on. So yeah, I agree, like, yeah, 180 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.600 there there is mayhem, but like who who has the ability. 181 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.799 To stop that? Who is supreme? 182 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:57.039 Exactly? Like there's you know you you guys are they're 183 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.000 deep in it, so it's like, you know right exactly. 184 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.720 So I mean, and we mentioned before the thing that 185 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.559 I think is the most that stands out the most 186 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.480 to me is that once you ask them to justify 187 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.919 the claim that oh this is foundational to our history 188 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.120 and to education. And I was like okay, like in 189 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.279 what way? And then she lists, you know, these virtues 190 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.080 the what do we say, don't steal, don't murder, don't lie. 191 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.919 I mentioned the Sumerians earlier, the Code of Nama or 192 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:33.559 Ornamu sorry, was written in the third millennium, which is 193 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.559 like like it was twenty one hundred BC. Yes, sorry, yeah, 194 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:44.080 third millium BC, which is yeah, before the earliest writings 195 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.480 we have in Biblical Hebrew. So like, these are concepts 196 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.279 that that pre date Christianity, pre date Judaism. They don't 197 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:56.360 come from Christianity. So you could just easily say again. 198 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.639 I said, we are we are social animals and being 199 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.759 nice to people and not murdering them. In that is 200 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:04.919 when we were on the savannahs of Africa, probably is 201 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.039 asked australopithesies. We had that because we're great apes and 202 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.480 that and we're social animals and you don't do that 203 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.039 to our own people. Now we were cleannish. We might 204 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.159 do it to the guys down there, you know, down 205 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.559 the block, but we're definitely not to our own company. Yeah, 206 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:20.840 we have. 207 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:24.720 Guy, the guy that's going around harming everybody else might 208 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.679 harm you and you don't want to be harmed, so 209 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.440 you get rid of them. So yeah, we we've have 210 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.799 not only are there, you know, secular foundations for these 211 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.679 but non Ten Commandment foundations for these principles. So you 212 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.120 could just as easily give this same educational and historical 213 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.759 value with the Code of Hammer Robbie as you could 214 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.360 with the Ten Commandments, if not more, because it's even older. 215 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:51.360 It's more foundational. If the if levitical law deuteronomical I 216 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:56.639 don't know if that's the word is uh is based 217 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.559 on codes that came before it, like the Code of Hammerrobbie, 218 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:03.080 then you get arue that it's more foundational than than commandments. 219 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.120 What are your guess that's on that? 220 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:08.960 Oh? Look the Ten Commandments. Well, firstly, the ironic thing 221 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.879 here is that the version of the Ten Commandments that 222 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.480 the that Governor Abba wants to put in schools firstly 223 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.679 is the King James version, which is like ye old, 224 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.440 ye old English, I'm literally reading from it now and 225 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.200 like it says, the text must read as follows the 226 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.000 Ten Commandments. I'm the Lord thy God, thou shalt have 227 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.799 no other gods before me, those shalt not make thyselves 228 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.279 thyself any graven images. Like if they're trying to put 229 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:40.519 this in for an educational educational content, wouldn't be like, 230 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.200 wouldn't be easier to put it in plain English rather 231 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.399 than King James, King James English. 232 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.440 Well, now, literature wise, now let me make a point here, 233 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.799 literature wise, if they read this when they get to 234 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:57.159 the Bard, you know, to Shakespeare got right there with it. 235 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.559 That's exactly thought. But then like a let clan, then 236 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:01.440 we might. 237 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:06.240 Have tro to Shakespeare. You read a couple of psalms 238 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:07.360 out of the Bible, you know. 239 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.039 Yeah, maybe not like the whole one. Don't make them 240 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.120 reading the whole one. 241 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:14.399 They're pretty boring. 242 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:19.200 Yeah, I do find it. Go ahead, so I do 243 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.960 find it somewhat interesting though that representative noble, who seems 244 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.399 to be one that's really pushing the public case for this, 245 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:30.159 is saying, you know, respect authority, respect others, don't tell 246 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.360 the truth, don't kill yet. Texas has in Texas is 247 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.240 one of the few states in America that still has 248 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.840 the death penalty. I mean, like that to me, just like, guys, 249 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.039 do you not see the hypocrisy, do you not? You know? 250 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.840 Oh yeah, it's it's. 251 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.200 Exactly. Now if I can add an update to the case, 252 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.799 k h O eleven put out another article I think 253 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.200 yesterday saying that sixteen families have actually filed a federal 254 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:03.759 lawsuit against several school districts across the state to block 255 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:04.600 the new law. 256 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.120 Amazing, but you know, and actually I remember now from 257 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.919 the last time I talked about this, there was a 258 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.440 section of the bill and I don't know if it 259 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.159 was amended. Well, no, because I think it's that this 260 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.840 was It had already passed the House when we talked 261 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.159 about it, so as it was delivered to the governor. 262 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:25.279 There is a section that requires the state attorney general 263 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:29.480 to act in defense of any school district that becomes 264 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.159 the target of a lawsuit, and the state is responsible 265 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.600 for paying the if that if that district loses that case, 266 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.960 the state is responsible for paying those uh those fees. 267 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:44.320 So the the any laws. Well, but then it comes 268 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.039 from taxpayer money, So that that's I actually it's. 269 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.840 Going to come from taxpayer money either way. 270 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:53.200 So section section maary, the attorney General may settle or 271 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:57.000 compromise any and all claims under the subsection and if 272 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:01.639 you look at at a section, if notwithstanding any other law, 273 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:06.440 a public elementary or secondary school is not exempt as well. 274 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.759 So yeah, So basically they're trying to right railroad the 275 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.200 law to open up this this this whole to support 276 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.320 the Ten commandmentsy and then saying to the governor general 277 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.799 side of the attorney general that you know, you're on 278 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.879 the hook for any lawsuit that that comes from this. 279 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.600 Yeah, and so yeah, and it's it's just kind of 280 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:33.799 like a vicious circle of God damn it because look 281 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:35.840 at you know, these families are suing, which I think 282 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.879 they absolutely should, but what it will happen is even 283 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.120 if they do win those cases, it will be their 284 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.440 tax dollars that are paying them back for having their 285 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.480 rates violated. So it just it makes my skin crap. 286 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:49.080 Go ahead. 287 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.279 I have question, given that Louisiana and Arkansas already have 288 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.399 this legislation in place, hasn't made any notable difference in 289 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.440 the education standards of those states. 290 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.920 I mean, I'm not sure. I don't know if it 291 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.880 has been in place long enough for there to have 292 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:09.759 been measurements taken. 293 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.359 The Louisiana law is already in the appellate courts from 294 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:16.680 the challenges. 295 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.119 So it's probably like I'm asking, it's like as a 296 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.960 dead series question, Like I'm trying to be as impartial 297 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.519 as i can to the people that might support. 298 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.759 I'm not laughing at you. I'm just laughing at the situation. 299 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:29.680 To me, it's so humorous. 300 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.559 But yeah, I'm just wondering, has anyone actually gone out 301 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.599 and done the studies, like the research collected to the 302 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.839 data to go, Look, I think we really should put 303 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.200 the Ten Commandments into schools because there is educational benefit 304 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:41.640 in doing so. 305 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.279 Yeah, I don't know if there's been any data gathered 306 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:46.799 on it. Honestly, that's a good question. O. 307 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:52.400 The Louisiana case, there was a bunch of not studies, 308 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.440 but there was a bunch of at least statements about 309 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.240 that as far as what would be gained or not gained. 310 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.599 I think they had some expert witnesses and that sort 311 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.960 of thing. I don't remember a lot about it, So 312 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.359 I'm not going to say that it's absolute where it's 313 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:07.160 that I really know what I'm talking about, because they 314 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.440 obviously don't. But you know that it's just that I 315 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.319 think they did in those lawsuits. They were saying that 316 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.680 it's educational, and the judge didn't buy it. They put 317 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.599 presenter on there, this is educational evidence, and the judge said, nope, 318 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.759 it's not you. And that's why it went to the 319 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.279 next higher court. When it finally gets up to the 320 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.759 Supreme Court, they'll make a decision, probably the wrong one. 321 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.400 So you know, possibly this and this actually highlights something 322 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.000 else I noted in the article was that so the 323 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:41.160 original article puts this line in, but supporters are banking 324 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.400 on the current conservative leaning Supreme Court to overturn that precedent. 325 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.440 They argue the Ten Commandments serve a historical rather than 326 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:53.960 religious purpose in school. And so the fact that supporters 327 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.759 accounting on a GOP stacked court to help defend against 328 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.440 this legal and upcoming lee we challenge says two things 329 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.720 that the law itself is so prima facie unconstitutional that 330 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:09.519 it's inevitable will land at the Supreme Court. And two 331 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.640 that people see the court as partial to their way 332 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.279 of thinking, meaning that the court is not impartible. 333 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.400 That's correct, which so yeah, huge red flag right there 334 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.160 itself is a problem. 335 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.160 Regardless of not just said with the last the last 336 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.440 four months of decisions by the Supreme Court in this session, 337 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:31.240 and the decisions they came out with were absolutely unconstitutional. 338 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.519 They ceased caring about the Constitution at this point, so 339 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.519 you know, at that point we lost our democracy, and 340 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.440 so we're no longer a democratic republic. 341 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.240 I think it's a good argument for termal limits. 342 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.079 Agreed, there you go. That would be the original seventeen 343 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.880 hundred liberal position on that. I think it was Madison, 344 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.880 but I'm not I can't remember. Might have been Jefferson, 345 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:56.160 could have been Atoms for that matter. They were all 346 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.319 juxtaposed to each other. But I think it was that 347 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.640 you can't have judges not have a lifetime appointment because 348 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:09.279 then it becomes a political position. Well, they're subject to 349 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.880 influence from the outside because they have their jobs to 350 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.759 worry about, you know, if they have to get re 351 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.759 elected or they have to pass some sort of thing 352 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.440 to get there, then that's not being self contained as 353 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:24.359 a judicial element. So you know, that was I think 354 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.759 the rationale for that. However, in the modern day, when 355 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:32.160 we're living so one day where this means that actually 356 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:34.720 there'll be more than two or three presidents before you 357 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:35.519 kick the bucket. 358 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:39.160 You know, years ago, a lifetime the term was like 359 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.519 another twelve years maybe. 360 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:46.079 Yeah, twelve to twenty years. Yeah, you know somebody who 361 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.559 was you know, like twenty when you got appointed. It 362 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.440 was only going to be like forty when you passed out. 363 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:57.160 You know, I'm actually reading the tics of the bill, 364 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.039 and there is nothing in the bill about improving education. 365 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:05.839 The bill is literally just to force schools to put 366 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:10.519 a sixteen by twenty inch durable poster, durable poster or 367 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.759 framed copy in classrooms. And as you were joking before. 368 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.519 It's never been in a kindergarten class. How do you 369 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.799 make a durable poster that will last subjective through five 370 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.680 year olds? 371 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.920 As we were joking before the recording was putting on 372 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.559 the ceiling that wait, it won't wave anyone. 373 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.039 Don't let it within hands reach of any of those kids. Boy, 374 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.839 they'll field there with that. 375 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:38.759 The law doesn't say where it has to be put. 376 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:39.920 It just has to be visible. 377 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:42.720 Yeah, it just has to be visible from anywhere in 378 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:43.519 the classroom. 379 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.880 And it doesn't say you can't have rude images on 380 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.720 the around the poster as well. 381 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.839 It has minimum specifications, it doesn't have a maximum specifications. 382 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.119 There you go, that's it. 383 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.400 At this point, and that there's nothing else about education 384 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.000 and the bell it's just about this, and so it's 385 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.279 really clearly like, Okay, some people want to do this, 386 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:11.000 so we're going to make everybody have to do it, 387 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.839 so that the people who want to do it are 388 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.240 now allowed to do it, and like they won't get 389 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.279 in trouble for it. They won't get we'll basically just 390 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.079 change the line. They'll just stop doing it again, but 391 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:20.759 they'll be fine. 392 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:24.160 And we're going to make a completely bs reason for 393 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:25.759 doing it as well. 394 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.079 That we can't back up more than just repeating it. 395 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.039 And look, in all fairness, like if you want to 396 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.200 go to a religious school where you know, a school 397 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.160 that is run by people who believe in Judeo Christian religion, 398 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.400 it's sure, that's okay, send your children to those schools. Yeah, 399 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.160 and you can have them have them in a Christian 400 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.519 focused education as much as you want. We have private 401 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:54.119