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Speaker 1: this morning on Mother's Day, a colorful day usually, and
Speaker 1: we are talking color theory today because color baffles so
Speaker 1: many people when it comes to the practical outworking of color.
Speaker 1: We're going to return to that discussion. But it is
Speaker 1: the top of the hour of our second hour, and
Speaker 1: so as is our tradition, it is time to go
Speaker 1: to the phones. And I want to talk to Rick. Hey, Rick,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello Katie, can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes? I can? How can I help you? My friend?
Speaker 3: So, I have a rental and I'm going to determine
Speaker 3: I'm going to paint in all light and the inside
Speaker 3: because uh, it was some colors are picked up by
Speaker 3: a designer in the past, when do you decide if
Speaker 3: you need to use a primer or not for the
Speaker 3: inside obviously for the outside of the house, you did,
Speaker 3: you know, I understand I have to use a primer,
Speaker 3: but the inside is it is it important to do that?
Speaker 1: Well? You know, it depends if the if the paint
Speaker 1: that's on the wall is in good shape, okay, uh
Speaker 1: and uh, and it doesn't have too heavy of achine
Speaker 1: on it, if it's flat paint or a matte kind
Speaker 1: of paint, then you can get away with what they call,
Speaker 1: you know, paint and primer in one, right, those kinds
Speaker 1: of combos. Just about every major manufacturer makes a version
Speaker 1: of their paint, which is paint slash primer in one
Speaker 1: and you can get decent cover and as long as though,
Speaker 1: as long as the wall colors aren't too intense. Elma
Speaker 1: and I were talking before the show about he's got
Speaker 1: black walls in some of his place and like when
Speaker 1: he moves out, he wanted to know, like, no, what
Speaker 1: do I need to do? Am I gonna be able
Speaker 1: to cover up those black walls? And I told him
Speaker 1: black not without a primer first, primer code first, and
Speaker 1: then another coat of white on top of that and
Speaker 1: you should be good to go. But if they're just
Speaker 1: you know, pastel's or you know, nothing too serious, and
Speaker 1: the paint is in decent shape, then you could go
Speaker 1: on top of the existing paint. Now, if you're going
Speaker 1: Bear primer is for when there is nothing on the wall,
Speaker 1: and you never use a paint primer combo with Bear drywall, okay,
Speaker 1: because it is not designed to go on without any
Speaker 1: primer code it all. Even though it makes that claim,
Speaker 1: A paint primer combo is basically just there so that
Speaker 1: you can put a coat on an existing layer of
Speaker 1: decently applied paint and change the color or neutralize it
Speaker 1: or whatever. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: That makes sense?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Can how manything else usually recommend? Do you recommend using
Speaker 3: two coats or it just depends on if you're going
Speaker 3: from you know, a dark color to light color?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, if you're going
Speaker 1: from a heavy dark colored to two coats, definitely, I
Speaker 1: always recommend two coats because it's just nice. But if
Speaker 1: you can get it done with one, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're changing like, for instance, a light tan wall, I
Speaker 1: mean just really light like sandy beige, wall to white.
Speaker 1: Then one coat of a good quality of paint on
Speaker 1: top of that should get the job done. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll know, you'll know, that's the point. You'll know. You'll
Speaker 1: know after you put that first coat on, you let
Speaker 1: it dry, and you walk in, you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: it looks fine. And if it looks fine, it is fine.
Speaker 1: That's the point, right, That's kind of where we were
Speaker 1: talking about already. Color. It's in our heads. And if
Speaker 1: your eyeball is interpreting the color in the room after
Speaker 1: you put a single coat of white on top of
Speaker 1: a lighter color that, yeah, this room is white now,
Speaker 1: then you know what You're good to go.
Speaker 4: Perfect.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have one more quick question. Do we have
Speaker 3: time or can I should I call that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, now let's do it. Let's do it, let's go.
Speaker 3: I have on the outside of the house, I have
Speaker 3: a cement and board and it's a white house, pretty
Speaker 3: bright white. And I've noticed we bought the house a
Speaker 3: few years ago, that there's starting to be little cracks
Speaker 3: in the cement board I think it's called cement board.
Speaker 3: And we had the painter come out and try to
Speaker 3: fill in the cracks and they seem to be coming back.
Speaker 3: Is there any sort of filler that sort of stretches
Speaker 3: that you'd recommend for that? And again it's it's like
Speaker 3: a white surface.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is it smooth cement board on the outside
Speaker 1: of the house, large sheets? Are we talking about cementious sighting?
Speaker 3: Large sheets? Yeah, the cement sides, board siding. It's like
Speaker 3: the hardy board or I don't know what you'd call them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, best thing you can do for
Speaker 1: uh now, No, they filled it and it looked good
Speaker 1: and then it cracked again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in about six months. We live a couple of
Speaker 3: miles from the beach, so it's not too you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't get too hot here, so we don't live
Speaker 3: off the beach a couple of miles.
Speaker 1: So you know, these are like spidery cracks, very thin cracks.
Speaker 3: They start like that, they get a little bit wider,
Speaker 3: definitely wider than spidery Okay, all right, well, probably the
Speaker 3: thing that stretches or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the mistake is that that
Speaker 1: and this has always been a tough thing because you know,
Speaker 1: you approach a crack in a wall for paint purposes,
Speaker 1: either from a spacklepective perspective right, spackling in the crack
Speaker 1: or from a culking perspective, and there's a there's a
Speaker 1: short side to both of them. Spackle is a nice
Speaker 1: solid filler and you can smooth it out and then
Speaker 1: it doesn't recede back when it dries, and so it
Speaker 1: gives you that smooth, continuous, can't see the crack anymore
Speaker 1: kind of scenario. But it is brittle, and so if
Speaker 1: the crack shifts a little bit more, then the crack returns, okay.
Speaker 1: Calking is the opposite. Caulking is stretchy, okay, But when
Speaker 1: calking dries, it actually recedes a little bit, and so
Speaker 1: it has a tendency to show where it was. You're
Speaker 1: like jeanez, I thought I filled that thing, and now
Speaker 1: I can still see where the crack was. But as
Speaker 1: it stretches, it actually bridges the gap, and the crack
Speaker 1: itself doesn't tend to come back, but you can see
Speaker 1: the indentation. Fortunately. Now there are some bridging products, and
Speaker 1: you've got to find this at a good paint store,
Speaker 1: but there are some bridging products that are kind of
Speaker 1: spackley with elast americ compounds in them. That'll get both
Speaker 1: jobs done. They're not super you can find them at
Speaker 1: better dedicated paint stores, not so much out on the
Speaker 1: on the shelf at the big box store, but they exist.
Speaker 3: What is it called a It's like a lastomeric bridging.
Speaker 3: Is that exactly what I have them to look for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what you want to ask for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are different brands you want to ask them. You
Speaker 1: get explained. I got cement board. I got it. I
Speaker 1: needed to be filled, but I also needed to stretch
Speaker 1: when I'm done, and uh, and they'll get you in
Speaker 1: the right direction. And then you may want to paint
Speaker 1: with an elastomeric based paint on top of that, so
Speaker 1: the paint itself has a stretching crack bridging to you know,
Speaker 1: capacity if the crack wants to return. So there's kind
Speaker 1: of a you know, a double layer of protection that
Speaker 1: you could approach that with as you go. Rick, Thanks
Speaker 1: for the questions, Bud, and for the call. I hope
Speaker 1: that helps uh and get you going in the right direction.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: When we returned, we will go back to the phones.
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Speaker 1: We're talking color today and color theory and how you
Speaker 1: get your arms around it and the practical wrestling of
Speaker 1: color in your home so you get the colors that
Speaker 1: you actually want. Well, we're going to return to that
Speaker 1: conversation in just a bit, but it's second hour, which
Speaker 1: means we're taking calls, and I want to go back
Speaker 1: to the phones. I want to talk to Steve. Hey, Steve,
Speaker 1: welcome home, Hello young man.
Speaker 4: Hello Mike. Yes, how you doing. I'm doing a great job.
Speaker 4: You're doing a great job, and I would like to
Speaker 4: ask you a question about possibly a plumber could help me.
Speaker 4: But we had our bathroom redone, and then ever since then,
Speaker 4: when we would turn the faucet on in the kitchen
Speaker 4: and turn off quick, it makes a pounding noise like
Speaker 4: pressure or something. So I don't know if we have
Speaker 4: to dig into the wall again. We did tile everything
Speaker 4: in there. We did the trick with the water heater,
Speaker 4: but that didn't fix it. So what do you think?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you are you have become a victim
Speaker 1: of the water hammer effect. That's what you're water hammer
Speaker 1: is common. It's not your plumber's fault. Nobody did anything wrong.
Speaker 1: It is Yeah, No, what it is. You know, water
Speaker 1: rushes through pipes, it turns corners, and as it turns corners,
Speaker 1: it causes what's like in the world of ships and
Speaker 1: submarines and stuff, is called cavitation. Right as what you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't turn a corner as smoothly as we think
Speaker 1: it does. Some of that energy gets kind of bundled
Speaker 1: up and it creates different kind of pressures that happen
Speaker 1: as a result. So you never know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just virtually impossible to know. We've plumbed entire you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand and square foot homes with seemingly miles and
Speaker 1: miles of hot and cold water lines and never had
Speaker 1: a single water hammer issue with any faucet, and then
Speaker 1: we've turn around and done very similar house and it's
Speaker 1: all over the place. It really has to do with
Speaker 1: when you think of your hot and cold running water system,
Speaker 1: thinking of it as a gigantic flute, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: makes noise and sometimes it doesn't, depending on the twists
Speaker 1: and the turn. So here's the thing. It's not the
Speaker 1: plumber's fault because there's just no way to anticipate it.
Speaker 1: But fortunately the fix can be pretty dang simple. You
Speaker 1: can find sitting on the shelf at the big box store,
Speaker 1: at your local plumber supply store, a device called water
Speaker 1: hammer Arrestor, And what it literally is is it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a three to four inch sort of copper
Speaker 1: nipple device. Inside that tube is a spring and essentially
Speaker 1: a shock absorber. It's a shock absorber, and a water
Speaker 1: hammer Arrestor can be put in line by a plumber
Speaker 1: somewhere up in the attic, but it can also they
Speaker 1: have them that it can be installed literally underneath a
Speaker 1: sink in the new bathroom. You can take off the
Speaker 1: angle stop that's the valve that's there, and install the
Speaker 1: water hammer arrest or first, and then put the angle
Speaker 1: stop back on, and you know, just with wrenches, and
Speaker 1: more often than not, one or two of these, one
Speaker 1: on the hot line, one on the cold line will
Speaker 1: solve the problem. And if it doesn't completely solve it,
Speaker 1: then you find another location under another sink and you
Speaker 1: add a couple of more. They're inexpensive, they're easy to install,
Speaker 1: and that cavitation that's happening in the line, just because
Speaker 1: of the configuration of the lines, the shock of as
Speaker 1: will do their job. They'll absorb that shock instead of
Speaker 1: letting it reverberate through the pipes all the way through
Speaker 1: the house and cause that that uh that you hear
Speaker 1: when uh let me get the door, get the door.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, my friend. That's uh, that's that's
Speaker 1: the solve. And so it's it's good news. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not great news, but it's a shout out.
Speaker 4: And they give a shout out to uh, my favorite
Speaker 4: restaurant and Moro Bay.
Speaker 1: Uh sure, why not.
Speaker 4: You've probably been there, but it's carlss for breakfast. Oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, Oh yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, are you up in Moro Bed?
Speaker 4: No, I avoid that like the plague today because the
Speaker 4: Mother's Day. But I'm sure they're very busy. And but
Speaker 4: it's just a shout out because they might even be listening.
Speaker 4: You never know. But that is the place to go
Speaker 4: if you're in Moro Bay.
Speaker 1: Carlis Maro Bay is the place to go. We were
Speaker 1: up there a few months ago and spent a week
Speaker 1: there in the Pomo overlooking more Obay and then just
Speaker 1: enjoying the whole area.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It is delicious. It is a delicious place.
Speaker 4: Well, I've got good memories of my parents going there.
Speaker 4: I've got good memories from my honeymoon and many many
Speaker 4: meals there, and this sunsets and just beautiful. So all right,
Speaker 4: thank you, mister Dean. You're doing a great job, and
Speaker 4: keep up the good work.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thanks Steve, thanks for the question, Thanks
Speaker 1: for the vote of confidence. Always love it when when
Speaker 1: people are appreciated. Not everybody is always appreciative, by the way,
Speaker 1: so that's just the nature of things. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you about an email that we got yesterday. On that note, Tina,
Speaker 1: you want to wait here, turn your mica, and I'm
Speaker 1: the one who reads those, Yes you are. We can't
Speaker 1: actually use the like I'll even tell you what it said.
Speaker 1: But the worst it was quite irate about because I
Speaker 1: had mentioned, Yeah, somebody called yesterday and wanted to know,
Speaker 1: is there a way to keep rattlesnakes out of our
Speaker 1: three acre property? And I described snake fencing, and I
Speaker 1: described some snake repellent that is actually very effective, non toxic,
Speaker 1: not going to kill any snakes. But I did mention
Speaker 1: that I was familiar with the problem because as a
Speaker 1: youth living in a big open space, we often had
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes come in way too close to the house. And
Speaker 1: at the time, my father had given me instructions that
Speaker 1: you know, if you go outside, you're in charge of this, dean,
Speaker 1: because your mother is not physically able to do this
Speaker 1: because she was sickly. But my father would say, you're
Speaker 1: in charge of this, and so you go outside if
Speaker 1: there's a rattlesnake that has curled up in near the house,
Speaker 1: on the patio or on the cool concrete, to dispatch
Speaker 1: that snake. And I had mentioned to the caller that
Speaker 1: I by the time I had reached young adulthood, I
Speaker 1: had a large peanut butter jar, empty peanut butter jar
Speaker 1: full of rattlesnake rattles from the rattlesnakes that I had
Speaker 1: had to dispatch to. You know, I thought, keep my
Speaker 1: family safe because they were getting into close and we
Speaker 1: just lived in a big open area without fencing, and
Speaker 1: so it was difficult to avoid. That's all I said.
Speaker 1: And it's one thing, that's all I said. To not
Speaker 1: agree with you, that's the kind I don't like killing animals.
Speaker 1: But basically we just as a grown We got an
Speaker 1: email yesterday essentially that said I was going to burn
Speaker 1: in hell for killing wildlife. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: appreciate when guys like Steve call up and say that
Speaker 1: we're doing a good So that's just that's all. I
Speaker 1: have nothing against rattlesnakes, by the way, except when they
Speaker 1: try to bite me. Other than that, no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I love animals. Olivia is here. She will tell you
Speaker 1: Papa loves animals. Okay, there you go, tell him, tell
Speaker 1: them Olivia, he loves animals. And also my dog is
Speaker 1: right here. Not okay, so there you go. See all right,
Speaker 1: all right, sit down, you be quiet. Now, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get you your own show when we return more of
Speaker 1: your calls. I just wanted to share that with you.
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. I'm just saying, hopefully I
Speaker 1: don't burn in hill because of my rattlesnake jar uh.
Speaker 1: When we return more of your calls. Your Home with
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Speaker 1: to take your ordinary house and help you make it
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Speaker 1: six to eight Pacific time, Sunday mornings, nine to noon
Speaker 1: Pacific time. We're talking color and color theory, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be just about we're just about ready to move
Speaker 1: into the practical ads on how do you get your
Speaker 1: arms around color problems. But we're still right here middle
Speaker 1: hour taking some calls and honoring you and everything that's
Speaker 1: going on with your home today. So I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the phones and I want to talk
Speaker 1: to Joe. Hey, Joe, welcome home.
Speaker 3: Oh, good morning, Dean. First, I'll say thank goodness. We're
Speaker 3: past the color stage of our renovation project.
Speaker 1: Really, we have rested with that as well.
Speaker 3: Oh, we certainly did. We finally hired a designer to
Speaker 3: help us with it, and it came out just fine.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 3: We have a stove that's on a stovetop that's on
Speaker 3: an island, and we've lived there for twenty years without
Speaker 3: a hood. But we're moving out and converting it to
Speaker 3: a rental unit now, so we need to put in
Speaker 3: a stovehood. I understand many of the ones I've looked
Speaker 3: at say that they're can vertible, and I'm understanding that
Speaker 3: to mean that either you can put a duct from
Speaker 3: the unit up through the attic and the roof, or
Speaker 3: alternatively by two carbon filters for twenty five bucks apiece
Speaker 3: and not have to duct it. And I'm wondering, am
Speaker 3: I understanding that correctly or not? And what is your
Speaker 3: recommendation concerning this?
Speaker 1: Okay, really, really good question. It's a confusing whirl of
Speaker 1: vent hoods. By the way, let me ask you first
Speaker 1: and foremost, the stovetop itself, the stove gas electric. What
Speaker 1: do you got going there?
Speaker 4: Gas?
Speaker 3: Thirty six inch gas?
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me explain this real quickly, just because
Speaker 1: people are confused by it, and rightly so, because it
Speaker 1: is a confusing area of the code. Okay, technically speaking,
Speaker 1: the Internet Building Code has no concern whatsoever how much
Speaker 1: fish smell or smoke from searing your steak fills up
Speaker 1: your kitchen great or your home. Okay, the technically technically,
Speaker 1: if you have an electric cook top, then there is
Speaker 1: no code requirement for a hood at all, because the
Speaker 1: hood idea was was added to the code as a
Speaker 1: way of exhausting uncombusted gas fumes out of the house
Speaker 1: as a safety issue, uncombusted fumes and particulates from a
Speaker 1: gas burner, because no gas burner combusts all the gas
Speaker 1: that is coming out of the burner, there's always some
Speaker 1: you know, leftover, So that would that would lead us
Speaker 1: to the conclusion then that Okay, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then why is isn't it also a code requirement that
Speaker 1: every time I turn on my gas burner, the hood
Speaker 1: vent has to turn on automatically to evacuate those gas particulars.
Speaker 1: But that's not a part of the code. You can
Speaker 1: install one of these things and never turn it on
Speaker 1: for your entire life, and uh, it's perfectly okay with
Speaker 1: the code. It's a gigantic, gaping hole in the way
Speaker 1: that the building code handles, you know, this particular issue.
Speaker 1: So I just want to explain that to everybody. If
Speaker 1: you have an electric cook top, an induction cooktop, or
Speaker 1: an electric cook top stand, you know, a conventional electric
Speaker 1: cook top, technically you don't need a vent hood. If
Speaker 1: you have a gas burner, technically you do need one,
Speaker 1: and you never have to use it. Most people, though,
Speaker 1: are most concerned about, all right, well, when I when
Speaker 1: I you know, see a steak, or if I accidentally
Speaker 1: burn something, or if I'm cooking fish or something like that,
Speaker 1: I want to get rid of the odors, and I
Speaker 1: want to get rid of the excess smoke and or
Speaker 1: steam or whatever is coming off the cook top. That
Speaker 1: is what most people are thinking about when they think
Speaker 1: about vent hoods, and there are two ways to go
Speaker 1: about it. You conduct it, meaning that the hood leads in,
Speaker 1: brings all that to smoke in and directs it with
Speaker 1: a fan through a ducting system and blows it to
Speaker 1: the outside of the house. It doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: straight up. It can go sideways once it's in the attic.
Speaker 1: It can go through ceiling joists or floor joists or
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, as long as it gets
Speaker 1: to the outside of the house and the fan is
Speaker 1: powerful enough to push it along and there you go.
Speaker 1: The other option is often found in apartments and things
Speaker 1: like that, are hoods that can also utilize a two
Speaker 1: stage charcoal filter and draw the air up through the
Speaker 1: charcoal filter. The charcoal filter, in theory, catches most of
Speaker 1: the particles from the smoke and are a lot of
Speaker 1: the odors from the cooking, and then that air is
Speaker 1: blown back into the kitchen space, which again is ironic
Speaker 1: when you think about the fact that if that hood
Speaker 1: is venting a gas you know cook top, then that
Speaker 1: gas those the charcoal filter does not capture the gas
Speaker 1: let off, and it blows it back into the kitchen space,
Speaker 1: the same space that it started in. And yet the
Speaker 1: code allows that to So just a little bit of
Speaker 1: confusing part for the code, but yes, you are correct.
Speaker 1: Either ducked less, which is running through standard charcoal filters,
Speaker 1: or duck did out of the house, which is better. Well,
Speaker 1: ducked it out of the house is always going to
Speaker 1: be better. I mean you don't find many ducked less
Speaker 1: hoods in you know, professional kitchens, in executive kitchens, or
Speaker 1: in restaurants. In fact, they're not allowed in an executive
Speaker 1: kitchen to recirculate the air back into the kitchen environment.
Speaker 1: They have to take it out and has to be
Speaker 1: blown outside. So yeah, that's better, But both are allowed.
Speaker 3: And then did you say it could be inducted into
Speaker 3: the I mean not ducted, but into the attic and
Speaker 3: out the vents or up through the roof.
Speaker 1: Either it can be taken out through the roof. It
Speaker 1: can be taken out through the side gable of a
Speaker 1: roofing system. We can't just run it up to we
Speaker 1: can't just run an open ducked up to an outside
Speaker 1: vent and just sort of allow it to sort of
Speaker 1: push its way out there. It needs a positive connection
Speaker 1: to the outside of the house, but it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to go through the roof. It could go through it
Speaker 1: could run horizontally and go through a vent attachment on
Speaker 1: the outside of a house or on the outside of
Speaker 1: a gable.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, Well, that answers
Speaker 3: my questions. I certainly appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And Joe, if you want to take a look just
Speaker 1: for fun, if you want to take a look at
Speaker 1: literally what the cutting a edge of duct less hoods are,
Speaker 1: then go to Plasma Plasma, Maade, dot Com Plasma. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Plasma made USA, dot com Plasma. They're the company Tina
Speaker 1: and I saw at the last builder show. They have
Speaker 1: They have created a series of electronically high voltagely charged
Speaker 1: filters that create a plasma field that literally does eliminate
Speaker 1: all smoke, odor, and micron particulates out of the air
Speaker 1: and then restores clean air into the room without using
Speaker 1: a duck. Now, the filters themselves cost I don't know,
Speaker 1: eleven twelve hundred dollars, but their filters are designed this
Speaker 1: is the cool thing to be used with any vent
Speaker 1: hood so they don't make vent hoods. They simply make
Speaker 1: this filter which installs in what looks like a duck
Speaker 1: leaving the room, but could literally just be a pipe
Speaker 1: or a flu that goes up to the ceiling and
Speaker 1: goes no further. It's pretty impressive, so you guys should
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: We come on and we just talk about all things home.
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Speaker 1: Thursday evening. Tim Conway Junior and the House Whisper at
Speaker 1: six point twenty right here on Kofi. All right, y'all,
Speaker 1: we're talking color today. We're about to return to that subject,
Speaker 1: but I want to finish up calls for the day,
Speaker 1: which means I want to talk to Rick. Hey, Rick,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 2: Hey, Good morning, Dean. My question is in regards to
Speaker 2: the exterior window trims and doors and the big garage door. Recently,
Speaker 2: my wife wanted to redo the wood trims because they
Speaker 2: got damage and rotted and all that good stuff. So
Speaker 2: she went ahead, and she was thinking out of the box,
Speaker 2: and she decided to do the the bender board that
Speaker 2: you find in the garden areas of the big box stores,
Speaker 2: and that trimmed out and mounted around the windows and
Speaker 2: doors and such. And it looks great, and it looks
Speaker 2: like it's going to hold up a lot longer than
Speaker 2: the wood. However, the issue that I'm having is I
Speaker 2: put some of that Zenzer primer on there and then
Speaker 2: put some paint. I started with several windows, and once
Speaker 2: it cured in all this just bumping into it or
Speaker 2: if you just like scratch it with your nail or whatnot,
Speaker 2: it's literally just like flaking off, and it's showing the
Speaker 2: brown bender board, so obviously it's not adhering to it.
Speaker 2: And also the primer wasn't thick enough apparently to cover
Speaker 2: up the small little screw holes which they use to
Speaker 2: mount up. And there's little like beings and scratches and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, little imperfections on that plast bender board.
Speaker 2: So I was wondering what you suggest that would adhere
Speaker 2: to that bender board so that way when the paint
Speaker 2: goes on, it sticks and it holds up. Because I
Speaker 2: got about thirty to forty windows and doors to do
Speaker 2: on the exterior, and I would really like for it
Speaker 2: to last.
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, all right, Well, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some advice. It's going to
Speaker 1: be qualified advice. Qualified because and here's the thing. When
Speaker 1: we say plastic composite, plastic composite sounds like a very
Speaker 1: technical term, and it is, but in reality, it's a
Speaker 1: generalist term that means I don't know whatever that stuff's
Speaker 1: made out of. So yeah, since I don't know what
Speaker 1: that stuff is made out of, I really don't. I honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, if someone is with to call in with
Speaker 1: a gardening question and say, you know that brown bender
Speaker 1: board that we put around our you know what is
Speaker 1: that stuff made out? I don't know, recycled trash bags,
Speaker 1: coke bottles. I'm not sure. I actually don't know what
Speaker 1: that stuff is made out of. And it makes a
Speaker 1: difference ultimately because plastic is a super super scientifically generalist term.
Speaker 1: In fact, sometimes plastic doesn't even mean a chemical compound plastic.
Speaker 1: It just means that something's bendable or that's moldable. Right,
Speaker 1: we talk about the plasticity of the human brain. Our
Speaker 1: brains aren't made out of plastic, but they are bendable.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure, Rick, but I will tell you this.
Speaker 1: Typically plastic composite window trims that we work with in
Speaker 1: for industry windows stuff, it is always one hundred percent
Speaker 1: acrylic latex exterior paint. Hundred percent acrylic latex exterior paint,
Speaker 1: and not a generalist primer, okay, but a specific primer.
Speaker 1: So the idea is to work backwards. The idea is
Speaker 1: to find a high quality like Benjamin Moore exterior acrylic
Speaker 1: latex paint, and then walk backwards and say, all right,
Speaker 1: this is the paint we're going to try, which is
Speaker 1: the primer that is specifically designed to grab onto this
Speaker 1: paint and the surface beneath it, and then you work
Speaker 1: from there. I never find, actually, and this may encourage you,
Speaker 1: I've never found that just the generalists like Kills or
Speaker 1: the Zins primers do a great job on plastic based
Speaker 1: materials outside. So what I want is I want to
Speaker 1: go straight to the paint company, deal with them, and
Speaker 1: they do nowadays make some extraordinary stuff. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would probably lean towards either Sherwin Williams are Benjamin Moore
Speaker 1: as far as their vinyl specialty paints. They both make
Speaker 1: a vinyl safe specialty paint. And this is another thing
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you how dark these trims are, whether
Speaker 1: they're white or whether they're a different color. But for
Speaker 1: anybody who's thinking about painting plastic composite trims on the
Speaker 1: outside of their house, or painting their vinyl windows or
Speaker 1: the edges of their vinyl windows with a dark color,
Speaker 1: you gotta be really careful about that because dark colors absorb.
Speaker 1: Now we've gone back to color. Dark colors absorb light
Speaker 1: and therefore they absorb heat. You know, It's like most
Speaker 1: of us don't wear black t shirts out on one
Speaker 1: hundred degree day because it absorbs so much light and heat,
Speaker 1: and then it can actually weaken and soften the vinyl
Speaker 1: or the plastic of the trim. So there are companies
Speaker 1: like Sherwyn Williams and Benjamin Moore. I love Benjamin Moore's product.
Speaker 1: It does amazing stuff. It is a special for vinyl
Speaker 1: that actually has built into it solar reflective coating properties
Speaker 1: that reflect out a lot of that stuff and keep
Speaker 1: the vinyl or the plastic from warping or buckling. So
Speaker 1: the best, and it's fully qualified because I do not
Speaker 1: know what that stuff is actually made out of, and
Speaker 1: in the end it's science as to what binds to what.
Speaker 1: But I would recommend that you go with a high
Speaker 1: quality paint like Benjamin Moore, go with their Vinyl series
Speaker 1: exterior stuff, and then go with the primer that Benjamin
Speaker 1: Moore mates to that paint to put it onto the trim.
Speaker 1: And as far as the holes are concerned, bondo not spackle,
Speaker 1: not caulking to fill the holes. Bondo, the epoxy based
Speaker 1: the mix, the catalyst and the putty together, smooth it over,
Speaker 1: leave it high, and then give it a little sanding
Speaker 1: once it dries in all of five to ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Give it a little sane to sand it smooth Bondo. Yes,
Speaker 1: like the automotive autobody Bondo stuff. That is the gold
Speaker 1: standard when it comes to exterior durable hole and crack patching.
Speaker 2: How's that rick, Yeah, that sounds a pretty good, Dean,
Speaker 2: and it is the dark benderboard unfortunately, so it does
Speaker 2: attract the UV's and all that fun stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that gives us a good start there. I was even
Speaker 2: thinking since you mentioned that bondo, would it be like
Speaker 2: putting a thin coat of the bondo across because it's
Speaker 2: about three inches wide, and then having the primer adhere
Speaker 2: to that a little bit better? Or just go right
Speaker 2: into the primer you're saying, and then go with the paint.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what, that's a really creative idea
Speaker 1: and I'm not against it. I'm not against that idea
Speaker 1: at all, but it may not be necessary. Here's what
Speaker 1: I recommend. I know, I can tell you for a
Speaker 1: fact that that that those high quality paints will will
Speaker 1: bond to the bondo. Absolutely, it's a given. Bondo is
Speaker 1: made in part for that kind of adhesion of paint.
Speaker 1: That's why they use it on autobody stuff. But here's
Speaker 1: what I would do. I would go to your local
Speaker 1: Benjamin More retailer, Adelina Paints or whatever is nearby in
Speaker 1: your area. Take a section, take a go, get a
Speaker 1: piece of that of that venderboard stuff, take it into
Speaker 1: them and say, here's my problem. All my windows are
Speaker 1: trimmed with this stuff. What's going to stick to it?
Speaker 1: And the thing that you get, the thing that you
Speaker 1: get at a professional paint store like a Benjamin More retailer,
Speaker 1: is you get real paint professionals behind the counter, not
Speaker 1: the person who was trained. You know, like I said
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, you know, I got nothing against
Speaker 1: people who work at Forever twenty one, but not when
Speaker 1: i'm you know, they were working there last month and
Speaker 1: now they've got about six hours of training on the
Speaker 1: color mixing machine and that's it. They don't know how
Speaker 1: to paint a house. And so that's why I send
Speaker 1: you to a pro paint store because you're going to
Speaker 1: get that advice and you're gonna have you know, you
Speaker 1: get the old guy out of the back who's like
Speaker 1: looking at and like, you know, this looks like and
Speaker 1: they're going to figure out how to get paint to
Speaker 1: adhere to that. I promise you. So I know I'm
Speaker 1: pointing you in the right direction. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to absolutely tell you oh for sure, it's it's a
Speaker 1: grillic one hundred percent and no problem. Take that sample in,
Speaker 1: let them look at it, have a conversation with them.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to point you in the same
Speaker 1: direction as well, and then take it from there. Rick,
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, buddy, really really good call. This
Speaker 1: is why we take calls, because we end up with
Speaker 1: such interesting questions and answers that help everybody along the way.
Speaker 1: All right, here's the deal. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: diving back into the world of color, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you the solutions that you are looking for,
Speaker 1: the ways to get your arms around color in your home.
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