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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and

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now it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal

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UK Radio Network. My name is Neil Ward and I'm

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joined once again by Andy Chaplain Andy, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Pretty good, Neil surviving the communist regime that's going on.

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That's said to be freedom of speech, so if anyone

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says anything offensive, be prepared to be dragged away to

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one of Stalin's goolags.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a whole list of things I wanted

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to say, so that perhaps this show then we better

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talk about save stuff. But that's actually part of the

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topics of tonight's thing, because we do have the authors

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of this wonderful book that I'm reading called The Eternal Avatar,

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and they talk about how the system tries to dumb

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us down, which I'm sure Andy's aware of. So welcome

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once again to Philip Kinsella and your co author of

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this book is Chris Mays. Welcome to both of you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much for having us. Thank you,

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thank you Neil, thank you Andy, Thank you so Philip.

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If I can start with you.

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Speaker 2: We've obviously had you on before talking with your brother

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a part of the Twin Soul's radio show that you

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used to have on the paranorm UK radio network. And

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you've forged ahead write in more books and you're still

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doing demonstrations as a medium and things. So this is

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a slightly different book from a lot of the stuff

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where you talk about abductions and things. You've split off

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and gone into a slightly different thing talking about the

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whole thing and meaning of life.

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Speaker 3: Why are we here?

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Speaker 2: How did this book start off? What was the kind

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of germination of that idea? Well, it started off when

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Chris and I were in a pub with another friend

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and Chris suggested it more than anything, and I thought,

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what a great idea that would be if we could

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turn the book into something like the Eternal Avatar, because

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we were talking about human genesis, you know, the reality

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of that, not the fairy tale version that most people

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still believe today. And of course the interest in the

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incarnation reincarnation process. I think it's very important for us

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as a species because in life, you know, most of

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us are just treading that wheel that the system wants

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us to be trapped in. And there are important questions

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that both Chris and I wanted to ask to present

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to the public, to the readers about our sovereignty, are

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actual sovereignty? And why is the system has deliberately segregated

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certain areas of research. And there are three of them,

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although you know most people will assume that they remain

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in their own separate categories. One is the UFO is

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the reality of that. The other one is life half

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to death and of course creation, And one wonders why,

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you know the system has such a heart of time

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accepting or embracing any of these theories. So it was

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actually Chris who set about the idea for the book.

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didn't I even in the conversation that the body like

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an avatar, the spirit coming in and so we were

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living these experiences within this shell, this avatar, so to speak,

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and then just let it on from there. And I

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didn't realize what I mentioned until Philip said, Chris, you

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mentioned this, let's make that into a book. And it

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was just it was all systems go, wasn't it on

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that front? Because once we got started and we had

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the idea, and because we both had the experiences, we

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had synchronicities.

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Speaker 3: We had so much to give.

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Speaker 5: We have so much insight and experiences that we wanted

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to invade along with facts and you know, history and

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let people know what's going on and to unpeel the

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layers of illusion and get to the truth of it all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, did you see Chris is a twin. He's got

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his family used to have a labrador called Prince. We

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that Chris also recalls his incarnation process, which I will

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say is very very rare. Most people have memories of

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past lives, and of course Chris didn't have any regression

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or hypnosis. And I, with my memory, recall of past

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lives board the indeed the other side two of them

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that I had. So we decided, well, you know, let's

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discuss this. Let's look at the importance through the sovereignty

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of spirit. And most people assume, well, we're here and

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then we die. Well, that's no problem if they want

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to believe that. And most people also believe, well, there's

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only heaven and Earth. But we've discovered that there is

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a reality of what's going on on the planet at

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the moment and why it is the system that we

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serve as deliberately hijacked this planet or certain force perhaps

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that's still here that is dumbing us down. As an

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Andy as we know, don't get and they involved in

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those subject matters because he will, he will tell you

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how it is, and rightfully so. And I did laugh

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when you used the world I think it was clown

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world that we're in. Andy's It humors me most definitely

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when you say we're in clown world.

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Speaker 4: We are, we are is And I've even got where

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you going into the man in banks.

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Speaker 2: I've got this, Oh yeah, your little hooter thing, our

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little host are.

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Speaker 3: So yeah. So what we wanted to do was we

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decided that we could construct a book slightly different that

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talks about incarnation and also varied deities, most notably Thoth,

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because we do know that within science that life can

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be created through light, and of course Thoth, as people

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know as one of the Egyptian deities, actually most people

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assumed was extraterrestrial in nature and had been evolved through

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light and not through the normal reproductive system that we

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go through. And this posed some very interesting questions about

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our real sovereignty. And what was remarkable through the work

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was Chris's channel poetry, because we decided that Chris would

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write a piece of poetry for each chapter that denoted

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the kind of chapter typo And it's very moving. So

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it's a very different book. It's not just one about

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It is asking the penultimate question about what we are

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as humans and are of all purpose because to us

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it was maddening that we're living and you know, we're

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being operated by a system that it cares not for

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these penultimate questions that will really reinforce our place within

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Speaker 4: So yeah, do you think do you think there's a

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connection between the ramping up of the dumbing down of

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the human race and basically a communist globalist regime taking

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over the planet and whatever this object is that is

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at plus thirty one hurtling towards Earth and increasing speed

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allegedly and Chinese UFOs having missiles being thrown in it

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as well. Are we under a kind of like an

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alien attack, but they're keeping it kind of quiet.

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gradual and gradual now they've ramped it up. Now people

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are becoming more aware. I think people are becoming more enlightened.

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were there were always around us. And in respect to

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being dombe down, always have been. It's only now that

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world for what it.

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Speaker 3: Is because it scares them.

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Speaker 5: And I think there's a lack of information with regards

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to who and what we are, which is why again

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we wanted this book to prod people, make people question

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the reality that they're in because the system is so

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overloading ourselves. As you know, our sympathetic system isn't graded

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or meant for the problems of the world. People just

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crack with the amount of information that's coming in now,

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with all the problems and that's what they want. Put

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you in fear and you IQ drops and then you

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don't think rationally. So this is the issue. We're we're

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on a psychic and spiritual attack, and that has a

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fundamental problem because when they're doing that, we're not able

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to get outside of ourselves and see the problem on

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the outside. We're inside the problem. So we need to

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calm down, know who we are. So we need to

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go down this avenue of who and what are we

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because otherwise we're going to lose ourselves with micro chipping, transhumanism,

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and then before we know it, we've we've looked at

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what we've lost before we've realized what we had to

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lose to begin with. So and with what's all paranormal,

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they're happy with paranormal things to go on if no

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one gives an answer for it. And then there's so

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many issues going on with with the UFO threats and wars,

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it's becoming very messy, and I think that's the way

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they want it. People are starting to lose the truth

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because truth now is wrong, and wrong is now right,

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and it's just upside down, and that's that's one of

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their ways is to get people so lost you know,

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with truth, you find yourself in truth, don't you. When

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that's gone, everyone's lost their bearings. People look for a savior,

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people look for a light. So people are looking for

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inspiration and looking at people, and then people become fualse idols,

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so that people are following the wrong people. It's a

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trying to focusing on now is your power, not worrying

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about tomorrow or or what happened yesterday. So this is

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this is very much. Everyone has to do this and

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not collective. Can't look for someone else. We have to

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all do it. And I mentioned about the light, which

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we all need to look for our light within us.

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our solar system and the gravitational force. There's whole it

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is well controlled. One of the things that really annoys

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this freedom of information. It's never going to happen as

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far as those dragons are concerned, because, as we've argued

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public of what really was responsible, what the force was

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behind this, the public will be horrified because they'll realize

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that this is not what the system and especially through

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the media, has sold the public. You know, So the

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system has itself to blame now because people are asking

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questions not just about the reality of UFOs, which have

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long time, but also about what's happening out in space.

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you know, can go up there and look for themselves

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because one, we don't have the technology, the general public

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haven't means to access that. But also interestingly is this.

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billions of like years away, and when it comes to

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places like the Moon, we get grain images. You know,

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it's this this and you know, I know people say, oh,

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they roll their eyser, but this is a fact. These

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satellites can actually pinpoint a bubblegum wrapper near a drain

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in New York. So why aren't we getting these images

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central central to the main orbit of the Moon that's

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right next door to us. And I know people say, oh, conspiracy, conspiracy, No,

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it is a reality. This information has been going on

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for a long time now. This device that's on its

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way is very interesting because it looks as though it's

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got some kind of propulsion. But already they're saying, oh,

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it's just a comet. So I don't know. I think

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perhaps it's possible that we do have an extraterrestrial presence

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on it. I in fact, we are all extraterrestrial. I mean,

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in the flesh and blood mechanism, and here we are

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in biological construct. But we argue of the soul, the

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spirit that is and may not be from this reality.

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also the past and what's going on out there that

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we have no access to. So you know, they're always

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wanting you to look one way, when actually they're doing

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that because they don't want you to look the other

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of what's really going on there.

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Speaker 2: They can't control it all though, can they. There's only

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so much that they can distract you with. We are

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managing to peek through the cracks of some of their

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kind of stories and secret histories and things like that.

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age of the Internet. They've given us a toll in

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one hand to play around, and now they're starting to

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realize that the genius out of the box, and now

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they're trying to restrict what we're seeing on that. You know,

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they're bringing all these laws to try and stop at

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some things. I was going to come to Chris just

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to sort of briefly touch upon it. I understood that

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you had read one of phillips books, Guardians of the

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Dead Guardians of the Dead.

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Speaker 3: How you was that?

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Speaker 2: How you first found out about Philip's work, or had

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you known of him beforehand?

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Speaker 3: Or I heard of him?

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Speaker 5: His name came up at work so funnily enough, and

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so I thought, oh, Philip Cancello, and so I looked

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and the book came to me. It was a gift, actually,

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the coincidences in my life was playing out on the

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next page that I was reading that evening, Oh wow,

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that's really straight like feeling cold, extremely cold, this was

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in the summertime. And then reading that he was having

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healen it was extremely cold, and this was like, this

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was only moments ago. I was feeling this and so

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many other synchronicities. And there was a light around the book,

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and I could see lights in the room. There was movements,

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and then I was starting to get conversation in my

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head to reach out to Philip, to speak to him

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to and I've never had that before, And there was

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this pole, there was this need, and I had this

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impression of how Philip was feeling and in this situation

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in life. So I thought this, this is, this is

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I can't ignore this. I have to reach out, and

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so I did. I've just found the contact, reached out

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and then like lo and behold, we were met. And

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it wasn't a case of a meeting online. I just

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know it was important to meet in person, and I'm

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glad I did. And it was it was It was

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memorable because it was just like to and it's too fusion.

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Speaker 3: It made in It was incredible. I have to say

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also that you know this this also brings into the

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equation of synchronosity of destiny as well too, because you know,

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most people think that their lives are just they run

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willy nilly, but we were looking into all order as

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opposed to chaos, and that there are some form of

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life mapping beyond this realm. And we Chris and I

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both discussed you know what system are we from because

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within his incarnation process, he remembers coming in to this realm,

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and you know, we wonder. We wanted to explore these

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subject matters of synchronousities, of connections, of soul links, which

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are very important because you know, although we were all

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walking this life, there are other souls out there that

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do connect with us on an amazing level. And Chris

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had walked into my life when I was in a

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very dark place where I felt like I couldn't I

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was just doing things mechanically and I couldn't move forward

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and It's amazing how he seemed to open the door

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and so much more. We had so much in common

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and we just clicked and it was just like an

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amazing connection between the two of us. And so we decided, well,

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let's work on a project and let's explore these deeper

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questions about life, about purpose, about what we're doing here,

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and damn the system. I mean, the book also is

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about having people hope, all of us hope to know

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that it doesn't matter if you're rich or your poor famous,

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which is a big illusion, or not. It doesn't matter

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that we all have purpose, that we all have the

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power to transform ourselves. And this is the book also

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that tells people that you have that power, not the system,

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because people are giving it power and it's feeding that power.

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And I know Andy with his clownhorn, that you know,

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you know, I know that you'll be there, like with

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the masses, bless you, ready to bring the system down,

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which we all would love to do. And I think

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it's important that we're all a lot of people are

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now awakening because they know what's going on. It's quite clear,

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it's quite transparent about the lies and the propaganda and

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also the exploitation of conscious dissidence which is starting to

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break away. I think this is important for us to note.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what I'd like to see, Philip,

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not so much the collapsing of the system that we've got.

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I would actually like to see a circumventing of the system.

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I would like people to kind of say, well, that's lovely,

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you have your system, you have your little communist shit

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over there, and we'll create something much better over here

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and just leave us alone.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid we have to take a break here, gentlemen.

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So what we'll do we'll resume in just a second

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or two. But for the moment, you're listening to Philip

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Kinsella and Chris Mays being interviewed by myself and the

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Award and Andie Chappin on the Paranormal Peep Show on

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the Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we're talking, amongst other things,

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about their book The Eternal Avatar. So we'll be more

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of that in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned. The Day is the Best Day Life to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Paranormal peep Show. We're talking to

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Philip Kinsella and Chris may Is about the Eternal Avatar.

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It's their latest book that they produced covering all sorts

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of topics such as avatars.

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Speaker 3: What is an avatar? Well, the avatar that I.

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Speaker 2: Understand was the one from the film with the James

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Cameron film with people flying the dinosaurs. But I know

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that that avatar was probably taken from this thing called

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Second Life, which was a game going around in the

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mid two thousands or something where people went onto computer

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they inhabited another life form. But you're saying the eternal

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Avatar is actually inhabiting maybe human life forms and other

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life forms and they become our avatars.

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes? I mean avatar is in hindu

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Is for masters soul incarnating into the flesh rather Christ

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if we just touch upon that very sensitive subject. But

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we Chris and I believe that we are all avatars

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that it's not just a you know, coming from heaven,

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a place that we're still trying to research and understand

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that other dimensions of reality are the worlds, because you know,

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we look at the universe and it's absolutely incredible. What

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are we contained? And if we are indeed in something,

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what is beyond that? And when people say, oh, I

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don't believe. When I say, someone look up there, what

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is up there space? It's like, yeah, well, what's holding

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that together? Where's the glue that's binding that all together?

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It's incredible. So I think it's very naive as us

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as a current and very early species to assume that

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this is how it is. No being wrong, Chris, It's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking that about that the other day. Actually,

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I went to a nightclub in London and I was

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just looking around at all the people. I just thought,

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all of these people kind of essentially came from the

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size of a grain of sand, you know, smaller than

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the side of a grain. Is that everyone around me,

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you know, you could just fit into kind of like

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a thimble in terms of a grain of sand. And

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I was thinking, all of their consciousnesses are within themselves,

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and each person has got like an individual perspective of

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everything around them, and I was just thinking, where where

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is them? Where is the where is the essence of them?

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Is it? Is it just within the human body or

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is it just kind of like absolutely everywhere? And it's

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just each person has a perspective just from within their

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human body. When you think about it, it's phil It's

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quite bizarre, isn't it. It's really you've got this huge

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universe of nothingness. If you go out there, there's this

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kind of like there's this cold, dark nothingness. Whether there's

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you know, other planets, which I personally believe there is,

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but you know that's another matter. Let's say for the moment,

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it's just like a cold, empty universe, and then you

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come to this tiny little blue marble, tiny little blue marble,

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and then it's just absolutely teeming with like like how

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how is it even possible? Where does it come from?

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at the universe like a mattress, the mattress has springs

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to hold that together. And darn matter does suggest that

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there is an alternative layer, that a hidden power, hidden

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force that is holding and binding everything together. So and

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even in quantum quantum mechanics, quantum physics tells us that

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nothing is really separate. They're all connected. The crystal crystal

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explain a little bit about is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good and andy because you mentioned about us

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all being like a speck and then be becoming the

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human body. And where's the consciousness? Where is our spirit?

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How is it connected? And I think that's that's the thing.

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On a day to day level. You look at the

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body and think where am I?

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Speaker 3: What am I? You know?

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Speaker 5: Where is my consciousness? Where is my soul or whatever

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you want to call it? The thing with labels on

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one person will say a soul, spirit, you the behind self,

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higher self. And I think we're we are spirit having

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a physical experience. And I don't think all of us

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is here. I know it looks like and feels like

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we are. I don't think that all of our consciousness,

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all of our soul, all of our divinities is just

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separated and here. I think we're still linked to the Gods,

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source or whatever you want to call it. They all

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knowing all consciousness of intelligence. So I think we are

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like a thread connected to it, and we're just using

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this body to hook us into this reality as it

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is often mentioned in the matrix or a simulation. So yeah,

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and that's where it ties into my incarnation. And how

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I came in was that feeling that I was an energy,

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a being of light, and it was so interconnected. I

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was still myself but still connected with everything and around me,

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and it was just a peaceful, happy, joyous place. But

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I wanted to learn. It was like an aching to

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know more about myself and who I was and what

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I was made of. And there was these voices and

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as a child when I was having these experiences or

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remembering within the context, I just had no idea what

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I was going through. I couldn't explain it. And when

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I came at the end and I was crying because

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of the shock of it, I couldn't explain to my

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parents what I was seeing and what was feeling until

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I got older and I realized and I pieced it together.

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And so yeah, back to where I was, and I

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was in this place where I wanted to leave. I

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wanted to experience at this life, and I could see

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the variations of my life, and the variations was how

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well I could remember who and what I was, and

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how much I could remember and stay true to myself

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with all the challenges that I would face, because I think,

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excuse me, that's the problem with people that they come

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across situations where you do lose your source.

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Speaker 3: Don't you.

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Speaker 5: You lose yourself and you've become the victim, and then

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you're disconnected. And that's the thing why I call evil.

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It's evil that anything that separates us from from our

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true self, our higher self, anything that does that is evil.

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And so disconnecting yourself, you lose your power. And then

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some people like sadly commit suicide or they don't see

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the reality of the situation. And so when I was leaving,

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there was these voices that were saying, are you sure?

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Are you happy? Are you committed? And I was like, no, sure,

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I'm certain. I can be this person. I can be

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this who I want to be, and strive to be

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the best that I can be, a remembering and challenging

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myself to see and know what I truly am made of,

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because in this timeless place, nothing changes. It's timeless, so

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things can't change. I had no polarity, There was no

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sense of knowing who I was. I knew who I was,

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but just collect indistinctly, I didn't know what I was

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made of, and I needed those challenges, and so I left.

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It was a flash, It was instant, and I just

475
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,880
came into darkness, and I was out of that sense

476
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,000
of connected lights being energy, and I wasn't just I

477
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,200
was just a consciousness. And I was being pushed and

478
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,039
pulled at the same time. So I was being pulled

479
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:50,279
to a destination while being pushed away from where I was.

480
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,400
And all the while I was forgetting that memory of

481
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,519
where I was. I was just forgetting and forgetting. And

482
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:59,519
it was becoming really ominous. And I realized that what

483
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,200
I done, and I could see these specs and it

484
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:05,279
got bigger, specs that were so small but just consumed me.

485
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,160
Realizing that I was becoming so small while I was

486
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,640
becoming ever so small. Things that were small is now

487
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,359
becoming bigger and consuming me. So I was passing through

488
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,720
it felt like on you can describe as realities lights

489
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,000
of ribbon matter. I couldn't explain it, but I can.

490
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,200
I can see it now in my third eye, what

491
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,000
I was going through. It was just like I was

492
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,200
falling through matter, through substance, through time. It was like

493
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,799
I was being consumed by it. And the sense of

494
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,440
being made to feel so small, insignificant to everything else.

495
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,240
But the only security I was that I had somewhere

496
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,480
to go. I had that sense of purpose, that there

497
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,240
was something at the end of this path. It was

498
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,880
for me, and it was just going faster, and it

499
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,039
was just the fear of having things being able to

500
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,920
affect me. I realized that these things outside of me

501
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,160
can affect me. That was new to me, because on

502
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,839
the other side, that place doesn't things can't affect you

503
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,440
that way, but this can. It can hurt you, affect

504
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,160
it just it was area and then I saw this

505
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,160
golden light and I just came to it and then bam,

506
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,720
it was over.

507
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: And that was that.

508
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 5: It was just it just came out crying because I

509
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,079
was waking up and not knowing where I was and

510
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,480
not feeling like this was home. This place wasn't where

511
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,319
I came from, and all these questions were in my

512
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,720
head and as a young child of four or five,

513
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,079
it was just too much. But it was. It was

514
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,839
coming to me every night, every so often. It was

515
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,079
coming to me and it was being played out and

516
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,440
I was denying it. I was saying, no, I don't

517
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,799
want to go through this again. I don't want to

518
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,480
see it because it was so traumatic. But it was like, Noe,

519
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,200
you're going to see it. You're going to remember this,

520
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,839
You're going through it. You have to know and remember this.

521
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,200
And that's yeah, that's how I that's part of the

522
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,880
c And also you were trying, even a young age

523
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,519
to get out of your body. Yeah, I know you

524
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:45,480
were trying to get out of it.

525
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:46,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

526
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: When I was a baby, I was in the cot

527
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,880
and I could shake myself against the back, on my back,

528
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,519
I was knocking myself out of my body in a way.

529
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,559
I could feel myself loosening out. I was coming out

530
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,480
of my body and I could escape my little body.

531
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: And I was.

532
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 5: Creating such a noise that I was making the cot

533
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720
jump up and down, and it was disturbing the neighbors.

534
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,400
And neighbors were coming knocking on the door saying what

535
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,519
are you doing? Why are you doing? Diyatt so late

536
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:11,920
at night, And my dad was saying, well, do you

537
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000
want me to do change my child down to the car.

538
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

539
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,559
Speaker 5: Even when I was in the car, I was getting

540
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,079
out of the cart, dismantling it, destroying it because I

541
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,160
just didn't want to be in the cot. Everything was

542
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,920
just trying to I didn't want to be where I was.

543
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Did your twin brother have any kind of similar experiences

544
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:29,279
to you, as you're both twins.

545
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: No, I can't say. Yeah, he's had some paranormal experiences.

546
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,480
He had loads of smoke coming out of his mouth.

547
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,480
He thought he was on fire, and then he looked

548
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,799
and then suddenly it had gone and he was alone

549
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,680
in the house. So he quickly phoned my parents and

550
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,440
then we didn't know what to say. But no, he

551
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,240
is sensitive and I've picked up on him. He's had

552
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:52,839
a black eye and on that night. I've had the

553
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,920
sore eye, the watering the plane, so I sensed it.

554
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,920
And he had a soft drink one day and I

555
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
tasted it, so i'd text him and he said, yeah,

556
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,079
that's what I'm drinking, and so many other things where

557
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,720
he had a painful farm, so did I. There's synchronicities

558
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,640
and thoughts that we've matched up, and yeah, I definitely

559
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,079
think there is a psychic link. One seems to be

560
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,359
I seem to receive. He seems to be the center

561
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880
right now. It's interesting you mentionedly amount of smoke coming out.

562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,240
I was just gonna say it sounds a bit like

563
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,799
physical mediumship. The smoke coming out of the mouth, I mean,

564
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,680
it could be anything, but yeah, he was doing something

565
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,319
something mundane in the kitchen, just tiding up that, you know,

566
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,839
and he just looked down and just saw this just

567
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:29,680
coming out of his mouth.

568
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: It was bizarre.

569
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's just he thought he was on fire

570
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,039
literally because he said thick name.

571
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna say, it's interesting you're talking about

572
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960
these experiences when you're four or five years old. This

573
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
seems to be quite a consistent thing. I don't know

574
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400
if you've seen the show A Ghost Inside My Child,

575
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480
but that's that's quite fascinating. And there's a lot of

576
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,720
kids who also say the same thing. It's like they

577
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,759
don't feel that this planet is home and they want

578
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,599
to go home, and they talk about wanting to go home.

579
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,279
And I've also got of like felt that growing up

580
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,200
as well. I've never really kind of fitted in with

581
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,119
this Earth society or this Earth planet. I've always felt that,

582
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,640
even even growing up, because I was growing up in

583
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,359
a Church of England school and you know, obviously it's

584
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,319
very kind of like church based and Christian based, which

585
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,599
is fine, but as I was growing up, I kind

586
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,400
of thought, this doesn't really resonate with me, like why

587
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,279
am I being told all these stories and parables from

588
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,079
the past that don't really kind of mean anything in

589
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:31,240
this current life and a lot of questions, and growing

590
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,319
up in the school that I grew up in, you

591
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,799
weren't really really allowed to ask questions. It's kind of

592
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:37,839
this is how it is, just accept it kind of thing.

593
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,359
And I think I think people like us, we're kind

594
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,880
of out of the normal box, so to speak, and

595
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,759
we begin to think and we begin to kind of

596
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,000
like question things more. And then, as Philip was alluding

597
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
to earlier that if you do that, if you stick

598
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,200
your head about a head above the parapet then you're

599
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,119
going to start getting shots off of the establishment and

600
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,680
the regime.

601
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 3: Well, they can throw what they wanted us, because you know,

602
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:10,279
theory work, and also basing our assumptions upon models, not

603
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,119
just those that have already been studied, but creating some

604
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,960
kind of new linkal theories, attaching to the suggestion that

605
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,799
we are much more than flesh and blood. And this

606
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,440
is interesting because my question is why, you know, why

607
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000
are they doing what they're doing, And that's what we're

608
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:32,160
looking at at the moment, but certainly through Chris's experience

609
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,680
is incredible and I understand those feelings I remembered as

610
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,759
a kid. I think I put this in one of

611
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,279
my other books, that if I got a pin and

612
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,440
I pricked it on my tongue, not that I did

613
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,799
it very often. There was a sensation I used to

614
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,319
experience at night where it was like that feeling of

615
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,759
a mass of an energy that was so much more

616
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,279
peerf than I was, that could crush you, and that

617
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,279
even when I was perhaps ten or eleven, I remembered

618
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,359
I called it this the matter. I have written this.

619
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,640
I used to call the energy mister matter even then

620
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
as a kid, because his energy was very strong and

621
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,319
very powerful, and I couldn't kind of understand what this was.

622
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,039
But certainly the other side is more real than here.

623
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,759
And when you do crossover, I mean I had the

624
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:19,240
experience in South Africa when I drowned, and I had

625
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,720
the experience, it is incredible. It's a feeling of well,

626
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,400
I am home, this is home, and also the shock.

627
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,599
It's not just although you explain it in words, the

628
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,839
feelings attached with them, like Chris's examples of them coming

629
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,960
into the incarnation when you remember those feelings of the

630
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,519
record of that it's shocking because that's more real than

631
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,759
being here. Here it felt like we're asleep, we're not

632
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,640
really awake, and yet over there it was more real

633
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,279
than here. And of course, unfortunately, being a psychic, you

634
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,920
are then prone to many other aspects of these recalls,

635
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,480
so that I call recalls any of them, but they

636
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,160
all when you get them, there is a connection. There's

637
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,839
definitely a connection to be made, and I think, and

638
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,480
I agree with Chris, that we're never really truly apart

639
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,519
from our real sovereignty, and I think there is a

640
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,839
connection that we can make between one and body to

641
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,680
the other, rather like the Avatar as it were, because

642
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,960
you know, we're here temporarily in human form, and of

643
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,400
course you know consciousness will depart this realm and returned

644
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:32,319
back to wherever it originally came from. But some kind

645
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:36,359
of embodiment maps, even if it's light, is suggestive of that.

646
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,240
So the Avatar as well within the film. It's interestingly

647
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,359
humans will wanting to put their consciousness into an alien

648
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,319
life form so they can adapt without environment. So it's

649
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,839
very much the same thought that we have on a

650
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:54,119
higher level of spiritual reality as we as they call it.

651
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: So there's two points are mentioned for it, and one

652
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,119
is earlier in the book. He talking about your granddadkin Cella,

653
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,639
who is you went to the other side. I can't

654
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,159
remember how you went there, ye dreamer or natural projection

655
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,519
or something. And he was in a windmill, wasn't he.

656
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that that And you'll find that these

657
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,239
experiences never leave you because they have such a profound

658
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,719
affair on your your your consciousness. So we were in

659
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,679
Brown's close and I woke up. I woke I can't remember.

660
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,199
It was the Sassi a Sunday morning. Then I found

661
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,119
myself floating up out of my body into the sky

662
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,760
and I came towards this beautiful city. It was the

663
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,239
most amazing modern city I've ever seen in my entire life.

664
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,719
There were lights on, there was no one around. There

665
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,079
was a piece or a quad that I can't explain.

666
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,559
And I went up where it felt like I was

667
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,559
going up, and then I was in this land with

668
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,159
a blue sky with poppies, loads of poppies, no sun,

669
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,599
and we did talk about that nil before the one

670
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,199
else son no sun, and I saw this windmill and

671
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,960
as soon as I thought of going towards the windmill.

672
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
I was there and I hooped up the door and

673
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:09,639
it was my step grandfather from the paternal side, and

674
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,079
James Patrick Kinsella, and he was healthy and he was

675
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,079
there and he said, oh, he is Irish accent. Lovely

676
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,239
to see you so and he grabbed me. And when

677
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,480
I went in into this room, there were these pictures

678
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960
of his horses, because he loved horses, and he wanted

679
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:25,440
me and my brother to be jockey's.

680
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: We're too tall for that. But there was a lady

681
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,760
sitting in the corner at the table. Her hair was

682
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,360
designed differently and she was sipping some tea. And I

683
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,159
didn't know who she was because the grandmother that I

684
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,280
knew I never really well. We did meet her, but

685
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,800
she'd had a stroke and it was in a vegetative

686
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,599
state for about eleven I think it was about thirteen

687
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,440
years paralyzes. She couldn't talk, and one we'd see and

688
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,400
she would just look vacantly in our eyes. So my

689
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,639
grandfather was happy and told me that he'd always be

690
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,320
there for me, and we gave another hug, and then

691
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,000
I was back in the field with copies and I

692
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,320
came down towards the city and I woke up up.

693
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,599
Now I can't remember how long it was, but I

694
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:11,480
went over my stepfather's at one point and he showed

695
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:15,559
us some film of silent film I projected on a

696
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,480
wall and there was my grandfather dancing with the lady.

697
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:21,400
And I said, oh, my goodness, I've seen her. Who's

698
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,679
that and he said, that's your grandmother. Now the windmill

699
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,119
was that When Ronnie and I were very young, we

700
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,280
lived on the property of Bignell House and our stepfather

701
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,440
had made this mechanical windmill, and I remembered looking at it,

702
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,559
and our grandandfather came to stay with us at the

703
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,360
cottage on the grounds of the mansion, and he was

704
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440
very pleased with the work that his son had done.

705
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,119
And I was fascinated by this windmill. So I think

706
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,199
my grandfather had used that as a rooms to get

707
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,280
me there, to show me the windmill, so that I

708
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,760
could work it out, so I would know that I

709
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,960
had had and been to see him. But I don't

710
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,840
know what the city was in between that state. That

711
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440
was quite fascinating, So yes, that was the that was

712
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,400
the event. It struck me when I read that, and

713
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,239
I know you told me the story in person, and

714
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,519
it was nice to reread it in the book. But

715
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,119
what jumped out me was the poppies. I know, it

716
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,440
seems kind of like a minor detail, but to me

717
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,119
that meant quite a lot. The reason being that is

718
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:20,880
when my own grandfather, my Welsh grandfather, was dying in hospital,

719
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,079
one of the last things he was said to have said,

720
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,320
because I wasn't there, he said, I can see poppies.

721
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,519
I can see poppies, and my mum wondered if it

722
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,920
has something to do with, you know, the fields of

723
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,199
France where he was, maybe in the battles there or

724
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,679
something in the war. And then shortly afterwards he died.

725
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,000
So I kept thinking of that poppies. It could be

726
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,079
significant to do with the other side. And you said

727
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,239
there was something symbolic about it. I can't remember there

728
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,480
is said what was the symbolism?

729
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:57,199
Speaker 3: The eternity? The poppies signify eternity rather immortality, or it's

730
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,639
one of those definitions. Because I wanted to find out

731
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,840
why I was in the field of poppies, what did

732
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,679
they mean? And of course, when you like Chris and Andy,

733
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,119
like you Neil, when you're involved in this you'll find

734
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,800
the spirit bring things in a way that we have

735
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,280
to translate that language, the unspoken language, through signs and symbology.

736
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:19,559
So that's why I had a look at that. Yeah.

737
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then so you talked about previous lives that

738
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,079
you had in the book, where I think one of

739
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,239
them you was this kind of a servant to a

740
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,719
high up guy in India working in the taj Mahole,

741
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:39,280
you thought, and then eventually in that life you died. Now,

742
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,400
how did you get that memory come through? Was that

743
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,760
under hypnosis or anything?

744
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,679
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that that's always been with me. And

745
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,679
I seeing myself as a poor boy in a white tunic,

746
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,440
watching and seeing elephants bringing tree barts and all sorts

747
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,519
across from what I now know to be the river.

748
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,679
And of course I remembered my home. It was just

749
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480
a simple dwelling, white wall, dirty and my room was

750
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,639
just a hard bed. Then I found myself working for

751
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,760
a master. He fed me and clothed me, and I

752
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,880
remembered going to this part where there was an outside

753
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,880
gated area with steps going into water, when there was

754
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,599
an Indian man with a turbine who was a friend

755
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,719
a worker, and we used to bube and talk, and

756
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,960
so I remember that very clearly now when I was

757
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,239
at school and going through pictures of the taj My Hull.

758
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,679
You have the famous part with a lotus pond, which

759
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,440
is always insane, but there was a part that I remembered.

760
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,599
There was a side gate and I found it in

761
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:38,239
a book and I couldn't believe it. So that was

762
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,920
one that me and did not come to any form

763
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,800
of question or They were quite depressing and kind of

764
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,159
justs to honest with. The one was mere being a

765
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,920
tramp up north somewhere. The smell of the kind of

766
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,559
like material in the air, I don't know how to

767
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,519
explain its smoke, fog lights. I was in an old

768
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,719
bush shelter that was worn out, and that was my home,

769
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,400
and I liked reading books. And the lady from the

770
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,800
hill would done with the two children and give me

771
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,280
food and water. Mostly depressing incarnations, and we're decided to

772
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,159
come down here.

773
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 7: We must have been drunk. I think you don't bet

774
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,760
on this one, though, haven't you. I think, because this

775
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,360
a particular lifetime, you're you're starting to wake up and

776
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,599
starting to smell the coffee, as they say, and you're

777
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,800
starting to work out that their previous lifetimes and you're

778
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,440
an eternal avatar and you know, so, so all these

779
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,039
kind of experiences like Chris is like and is like mine,

780
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,719
are starting to sort of accumulate, and something's rising into

781
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,239
the surface of all these lifetimes through the sediment of

782
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,159
our consciousness to the very top and things are bubbling over,

783
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,280
and we're starting to put our head above the parapet

784
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,159
or above the surface of consciousness water as such, and

785
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,519
seeing what's out there in an up periscope sort of.

786
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Thing, you know.

787
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: So, so with all these lifetimes, I mean, do you

788
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,599
give kind of any indication of how many lifetimes one

789
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,000
has to have before they kind of ascended into a

790
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:57,519
new level.

791
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 5: Well, with life with past lives, I think when we're here,

792
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,119
we remember the times we've been on Earth much easier

793
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,519
because I believe that we have other lives in other realities,

794
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,719
in other worlds as well. It just happens that while

795
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,559
we're here we seem to remember the other lives that

796
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,679
we've lived because I have memories, but they're like slap shots.

797
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,480
There's short scenes of being in a in a war,

798
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,320
drowning off a ship, and being in the castle, and

799
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,599
those sort of things. I have them because they feel

800
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:27,639
like really personal, the visceral, so it's more than just

801
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,280
a whimsical imagination. It's something real. It feels vivid. That's why,

802
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,920
maybe why I don't fear water, but I have a

803
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,519
dislike disliking to water. But I think that's where again

804
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,039
with proof that we have signs on our bodies as well,

805
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,679
there where things have happened in our past. People carry

806
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,000
through past injuries, don't they It's been recording and they

807
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:48,719
have a memory of being shot, and there's a wound

808
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,000
sight and you know, these these things seem to show

809
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,920
proof that it's possible that we do live other lives.

810
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,480
And I'm a believer. I do think we do. I

811
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,679
think lot one life isn't enough.

812
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you earlie?

813
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,559
Speaker 4: Is it something I've wondered about? This is in the

814
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,360
spiritual community, when when people have bad lives so to speak,

815
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,320
or kind of depressing lives that Philip was talking about,

816
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:16,159
we're often told, oh, it's to learn lessons, it's to

817
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,239
learn lessons. But what I would say is, well, what

818
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
are the lessons to learn? Okay, it's a crap life.

819
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Where where did it go beyond that? Okay? I've learned

820
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,559
the lesson it's a crap life. I don't need, you know,

821
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,440
an entire life to realize that, you know, living in

822
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,719
a bush shelter, you know, in the cold and damp

823
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,800
is a crappy life. Where does it go beyond the lessons?

824
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:40,199
Speaker 3: Well, I think on the eternal part. We are talking

825
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,079
about us being immortal, and I believe that what happens

826
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,800
is that it is incidental when we pass over, although

827
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,000
it means everything to us here now and we suffer

828
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:54,800
in silence most of the time. We wrestle with so

829
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,679
much that it seems to be a problem or issue

830
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,000
here on the planet. And when we release, that is

831
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,079
the true liberation, That is the feeling of that complete

832
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,280
and total eternity, because over there is more real. I

833
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,079
can assure you that.

834
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: I remember reading in the Seth books, and you've got

835
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,280
some of these Seth books as well. Philip Seth speaks

836
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
and he talks about his past lives. So Seth was

837
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
this kind of spirit guide of Jane Roberts, the writer,

838
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,840
and she used to channel him on a weekly basis,

839
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,280
and he would dictate books for those that didn't know.

840
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,199
But he talked about his past lives and now he

841
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,960
was kind of an advanced guy, I suppose. But he

842
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,440
said that in one of his lives he was a pope,

843
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,960
a minor pope in the eighth century or something, unlisted

844
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,280
because they weren't very good at keeping records back then.

845
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,320
And he said he fathered two illegitimate children. And he said,

846
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
even in that memory, said, how can I be a pope?

847
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,760
You know, why does God favor me as a pope?

848
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,599
And here I am being such a naughty man sort

849
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,920
of thing, you know. And the other one he said

850
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440
that in another life he said he was a mother

851
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,519
of like ten kids or something, and they had no home.

852
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,639
He said they used to sleep rough in doorways, and

853
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,039
he said it was always an amazing thing that when

854
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,760
they woke up in the morning after sleeping rough, that

855
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,119
none of them had died in the night, you know,

856
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,320
that they'd all still be in life the next day.

857
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: And so that was a real rough, hard, tough life.

858
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,119
Speaker 4: You know.

859
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: He went from a high pope down to this woman

860
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,880
who had eight kids or ten kids, living a real

861
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,639
rough life.

862
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: So I think it's it's which way the needle's going

863
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,320
to swing.

864
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,559
Speaker 2: You have too much of this, then you've got to

865
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,440
go come back to some of that, and you've got

866
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,559
to strike a balance. I suppose you had to know

867
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:42,000
the rough from the smooth, and eventually, you know, the

868
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,159
idea is that you'd descend onto something like Seth became

869
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,360
I suppose this super high spirit guide or whatever, and

870
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,920
even beyond that, he goes on to something else, I suppose.

871
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,960
But wherever we go beyond that, it is the ultimate

872
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,440
destination that we don't really know.

873
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: I suppose. Well, I think a lot of things have

874
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,880
been altered on this world. Think it wasn't meant to

875
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,800
go the way it was meant to. I think we,

876
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,199
as the human going into the process of our open

877
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,679
spiritual evolution, it's been hijacked. It's been you know, trampled down,

878
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,599
and you know, and of course this is why we've

879
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,719
got so many problems on this planet at the moment

880
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,679
on a physical material level. And this is why I

881
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,679
think maybe a lot of the journeys that we tend

882
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,920
to decide to go into are not quite how we

883
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,599
always planned out. I'm the majority of them, I think,

884
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:30,639
I do believe they do, but not all of them.

885
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:30,960
I don't.

886
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: Bilin. I think you're absolutely right, and I think you've

887
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,719
I've come to the conclusion we're at war. I think

888
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,119
the operative word is hijacked. But the question is what

889
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,920
has been what has hijacked it? And here's here's the

890
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,360
real kind of crutch, the crux of it. Is it

891
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,679
a case that some demonic entity or dark entity has

892
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,679
come along on its own and hijacked us? Or did

893
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,840
we manifest and create it? I don't know. Is there's

894
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,480
something kind of like dodgy going on with the human

895
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:07,239
psyche or whatever created us, created like a dark side

896
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,800
within this. Did we then create dark societies, secret societies

897
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,719
and then try and call forth demonic forces? And whatever

898
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,079
demonic forces were in the universe decided, oh okay, they're

899
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,199
calling us now we've now got karmic permission to go

900
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,480
and link up with the humans down there. What do

901
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:27,239
you think going on?

902
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 5: You're on a point there, Andy, and it's big, because

903
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,920
I think you're right. This world is something that we manifest.

904
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,679
And it's either are we manifesting everything or nothing. I

905
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,800
think it's even one or the other, either singularly or collectively.

906
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,320
And I've heard and seen a lot of information coming

907
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960
through that's saying that even with demons, we manifest them

908
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,119
is within our realm of believability. Everything within this world

909
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,679
has come FORLL through our minds, hasn't it. Everything that

910
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,280
we see, feel, touch has come from us. Yeah, so

911
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:56,719
that's that's and it's a hard thing to swallow. Like

912
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,639
you said, why do we have to have these nasty experiences,

913
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,400
not just us, but seeing them around the world. We

914
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,639
can't we can see them. We have to disassociate to

915
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,800
a degree recognize it. And again for what I've seen,

916
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,599
and it's hard to take on. I don't mean to

917
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:12,280
seem flippering, because this is a big topic that you

918
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,519
can't mention in five minutes. Is that when you do

919
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,000
have something happen, it's only negative or positive upon how

920
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,119
you see and react to it. And I know, and

921
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,079
I know that sounds hard. If you know that you're

922
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,159
you're in real big trouble, you're not going to say

923
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,440
that this is a good thing, this is this is positive.

924
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,840
But in a way, that's the way we probably have

925
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,760
to go about this is to make every every event

926
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,960
looks negative, but make a positive see it as something

927
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,159
as something we can grow from, learn from, change, you know, adapt,

928
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,760
become better. And it's it's a trick. It's hard, you know,

929
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,880
And I don't mean to sound like it's an easy thing.

930
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,440
When you see water on countries and children dying. This

931
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,360
is a This is a sore topic, a sensitive one.

932
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,719
But if we're talking about this in a spiritual way

933
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,199
and manifesting, we have to look at it maybe in

934
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,159
that respect, but within our own world. Because we can't

935
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,079
change the world. We're not to only ourselves. We have

936
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,239
to represent what we want the world to be. So

937
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,400
this is what we have to do, is to have

938
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,320
things that come along. That's negative. But okay, I could

939
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,199
take this as negative. I could be the victim. I

940
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,360
could say this is going to limit me, or I

941
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,559
can either this is a push, it's for me to

942
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:17,559
change my path, this is for me to look elsewhere,

943
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,519
or you see what I'm saying. So it's purely a mindset.

944
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,639
But there is more to explain on this topic.

945
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: And also yeah, and I also I'll just have to

946
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,119
say here people say I want proof of the supernatural.

947
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:33,119
I want proof every time you bring something to the table,

948
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:37,119
it eludes our sense of reality. Look, we are going

949
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:41,320
through an individual experience. We incarnate through the wound to

950
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,320
our mother, and then we have that one single, unique

951
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,199
experience to you, and of course you then see the

952
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,320
world and shape it how you view it, how you

953
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,920
believe it. This is to say, within you apology. The

954
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,960
big question about why you set have these certain areas

955
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,800
is nets these portals, these areas of high strangeness. And

956
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,360
we've argued, well, maybe it's you. You've activated it, you're

957
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719
bringing that to you and it is shaping within the

958
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,920
way that you view that or how that's been programmed

959
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,559
within your mindset. So we're looking at things on a

960
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,960
very unique individual level, whereas most people are trying to

961
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,159
force it into the same box that everyone is having

962
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:26,400
the same thing. It's not. Life is unique and universal,

963
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,840
but also to you that you are going through this

964
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,519
journey on your own. We have people with us, we

965
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,519
have souls with us, but at the end of the day,

966
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,079
you're translating it the way that you're viewing it. It's

967
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,119
lovely when you get other souls. Like when Chris came

968
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,119
in into my life and it started to you know,

969
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:44,440
show we shared all of our information and the way

970
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,159
we saw things, how we see things together, like you

971
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,880
know you Nil and Andy. We see things on that

972
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,639
same level and other people won't. So that reality is

973
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,280
their reality, and this is our reality, and this is

974
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,760
why we believe that people saying about this essential and

975
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,679
it may not happen quite that way, but certainly with

976
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,519
the vibrational energy systems that you know, fluctuating from negative

977
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:09,480
to positive, they have that choice. But we are evolving,

978
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,039
we're lifting upwards, if you see what I mean.

979
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:16,519
Speaker 4: So, yeah, Basha was talking about that as well. Are

980
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,239
you aware of kind of Bashah and dale Anka. So

981
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:24,840
his perspective is that each individual person, if you like,

982
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,360
is having infinite versions of themselves playing out in infinite realities.

983
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,000
So somewhere along the lines, there'll be a version of

984
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,360
me that's not in clown world, that isn't a wonderful

985
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,239
loving it's brilliant, wonderful and fantastic. But he also says

986
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,719
something that's really also really kind of screwed with your mind.

987
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,679
He says, there's only one person in the room, and

988
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,239
when you think of that, it's just it's just it

989
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,519
melts your mind. And what he means by that is

990
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:56,960
there's only one soul that has fragmented itself infinite amount

991
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,480
of times, so all of us really are I'm talking

992
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,920
to myself when I'm talking to you and you're talking

993
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,199
to yourselves when you're talking to me that there is

994
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:11,280
only just me pressure but it's me from every infinite perspectives.

995
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the pastimes. So yeah, you're also talking in

996
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,480
the life that you're going to live again. You're talking

997
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:20,280
to yourself, your own self. Yeah, I mean it's amazing,

998
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
but it was good to remember that what we see

999
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,199
in our world is what you're wired to expect to see.

1000
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,880
Is your brain they know that. They know that if

1001
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:33,400
if something's outside of your expectation and reality, you won't

1002
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,920
see it, even if it's in your face. Almost it's

1003
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,400
like we have a bad filtering system. It works on overdrive.

1004
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,079
Is our experiences help to develop and change our consciousness

1005
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,480
to see more where before we wouldn't. So that's why

1006
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,840
it experiences are a paramount that it helps us to

1007
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,039
see more, to develop more and change the reality that

1008
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:51,559
we're in.

1009
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,079
Speaker 4: And going on from that. This is this is where

1010
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,159
it gets really quite bizarre. I watched them, so there's

1011
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,400
quite a few podcasts that I watch with other people

1012
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,639
as well, And there was one guy who funnily enough

1013
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,199
mentioned the kin Sellers. He's aware of you and he

1014
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:13,239
met you and Ronnie at a conference somewhere with other eupologists,

1015
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,119
And what he was saying is that he was calling

1016
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,280
the if we like to call it the woo woo,

1017
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,199
the strange, the paranormal, he was calling it the phenomena.

1018
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,719
And he's basically saying that this force, this phenomena manifests

1019
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,480
itself almost according to what we're expecting to see and

1020
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,239
believe in. So, in other words, if you were to

1021
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,159
if you were a ghost hunt and you went to

1022
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,559
a haunted location, this phenomena would kind of like show

1023
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,639
itself as a ghost or a spirit. And if you

1024
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:44,400
were to go to like a field and you're a

1025
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:48,440
UFO watching, then this phenomena would kind of represents itself

1026
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,079
as a UFO or even if you're lucky. But the

1027
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:56,000
weird thing is he was basically saying, this is all connected,

1028
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,679
and it's not disparate, kind of like separate factions. It's

1029
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:04,760
actually all the same thing manifesting itself almost like code

1030
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,199
running in a program, according to what the believer and

1031
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,559
the seer almost wants to see. So even to the extent,

1032
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,280
I'm kind of like expanding from what he said, but

1033
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
for instance, if somebody was really into kind of bigfoot

1034
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,800
or really into vampires or wear wolves. Yeah, at some

1035
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,239
point in their lives they might start seeing an actual

1036
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,880
werewolf or bigfoot or vampire. But it's actually, if you

1037
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,679
think about it like a if you think about the

1038
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,719
universe is like a matrix full of code. And even

1039
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,119
the oracle in the in the Matrix talked about this.

1040
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
You know, everything that you see around us is uh

1041
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:48,519
kind of code. And when you get programs, hacking programs,

1042
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,960
hacking programs, it basically wear wolves and vampires and goes

1043
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,159
part of the same thing. And it's and it's it's

1044
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,760
it's Is it that there's a viewer viewing something that's

1045
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,840
that out there that already exists or is the viewer

1046
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,920
bringing to the table their own belief system and what

1047
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,000
they expect to see, and the universe mirrors it back

1048
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,840
at you. Yes, form that you're expecting to see.

1049
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,119
Speaker 3: Who is the pappeteer? And at the end of the day,

1050
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,760
the question is we've been asking about cryptids with aliens,

1051
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:25,079
you know, the human that seems to be so far

1052
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,519
removed from all other elements of the paranormal, and where

1053
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,840
are they all? We've argued this before. We're all hanging

1054
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,800
out and of course they all seem to adopt the

1055
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,400
same process of communication through telepathy, and we as a

1056
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,400
human are you know, I suppose I would say distinctive nature,

1057
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,599
but we harbor owing thoughts. We don't know what the

1058
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,000
other person's thinking or feeling. So I agree with you.

1059
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Is there an ultimate force rather like Stephen King's it

1060
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:55,119
I have thought about that projects itself into the mindsel

1061
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,360
of the person that's fears. If you fear things, you're

1062
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,679
going to draw that fear towards you. So it's it's interesting.

1063
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,719
I think we have to be very open to all

1064
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,880
forms of speculation.

1065
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so if we were, if we were to take

1066
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:22,480
the assumption maybe that these phenomenon that were going on

1067
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:26,519
were separate, let's imagine that they're separate. You've probably found,

1068
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,280
Philip that people who delve into things like UFOs and aliens,

1069
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,079
if they go down that path and do actually start

1070
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:38,480
seeing things, they then almost start seeing kind of poltergeist

1071
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,679
things and spirit apparitions from quote the dead as well,

1072
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,960
and vice versa. So people who start off with kind

1073
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,559
of ghost hunts and spirits and apparitions and that kind

1074
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:53,280
of thing sometimes very often end up seeing UFOs and

1075
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,679
aliens and kind of let's just call it kind of

1076
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,280
cryptid or esoteric beings, whether you want to call them demons, angel,

1077
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,960
spirit guards whatever as well. It's it's almost like when

1078
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,159
people open a portal, let's just call it a portal

1079
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,079
for the power normal and some kind of phenomena to happen.

1080
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:15,559
Other factions kind of ram their crowbar in and say

1081
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,039
we want to be to the action. Have you noticed that?

1082
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 7: Oh?

1083
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And of course many long years ago, when

1084
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,000
I was getting a little bit heavy with the UFO subject,

1085
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,119
when I pulled away from it, it was like a

1086
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,639
weighted lift for my shoulders. It literally as if I

1087
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,119
could breathe again for a short while. But of course

1088
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,480
I was pulled back into it like a moth to

1089
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,599
a flame. So I do believe that, you know, I

1090
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,719
did consider first of all, there was a convergence within

1091
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,760
timelines whether or not the viewing of UFO that came

1092
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,559
into our matrix would open these or allow these other

1093
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,400
dimensions to seep through into our reality as like some

1094
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,320
kind of residue. That was my first thought, But now

1095
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,440
thinking about it, it is apparent. But the individual is

1096
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,280
the receptor that what you start to believe in you

1097
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,159
will shake that into your reality. It will become prominent

1098
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,840
within your realm. If you leave it, it will dissipitate.

1099
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,000
And that is very much true. Like a magician, and

1100
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,360
we've got to understand that the mind is the omnipresent

1101
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,760
power connection to all that is. So you know, we

1102
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,559
are facilitating these interests into our consciousness. We can close

1103
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:29,400
one air and open another one. And this is interesting.

1104
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,079
I think I call it the eternal time corridor, where

1105
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,000
we're out of our our consciousness to fix with anything

1106
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,559
that we want to bring in or separate. The thing

1107
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,639
is is to say with manifestation programs, if you look

1108
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,840
at them, you can bring things into your life through manifestation,

1109
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,639
and you have to have a very positive framework when

1110
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,639
you're doing it, believing it and existing in it as

1111
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:55,280
though you have it already. But what I found was

1112
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,039
that when I was younger, a lot younger, when I

1113
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,679
was about thirty odds, I'd be as happy as a

1114
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,480
clam and walking down the high street going to work,

1115
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:05,559
thinguring it's going to be a fantastic day. I'm just

1116
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:09,679
so positive. And I found that then all the negativity

1117
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,599
that you could put on the table was then presented

1118
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:13,719
into my day and at the end I was like,

1119
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,559
do know what, forget this, I'm leaving it. I'm just

1120
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,639
going to be normal within my thinking. And it was like, oh, yes,

1121
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,159
there we are. So I wonder whether or not there's

1122
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,639
some irony with this intelligence that knows that all there

1123
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,440
are certain people that's lifting themselves out of that normal,

1124
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:33,119
conditioned program conscious awareness and we need we need to

1125
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:36,119
go and check them out. So this may answer some

1126
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,679
extraordinary questions about this force, this onmini present energy that

1127
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,800
is interested in those of us who are operating outside

1128
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,400
the normal you know, our normal conscious uh centralized programming,

1129
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,159
the grays for instance. I have mentioned this in some

1130
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:52,599
work that then are sent in and go and check

1131
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,239
you out, like why are you? Why are you different?

1132
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,920
What what is different about you? And this. Of course

1133
00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:59,559
we're not going to go down that road because that

1134
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,079
opens up the whole can of other areas that you know,

1135
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,760
you'll just end up getting lost. So we try to

1136
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,559
centralize our main theme with this book as the eternal

1137
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,039
Avatar and looking at your inherent greatness and how to

1138
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:17,440
separate away from the huge influx of negativity and the

1139
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,960
centralized programming. The interesting is what we're looking into now

1140
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:26,079
is why and what is doing this? What is it

1141
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,679
that's behind the aller of this, you know, not just

1142
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,840
the puppets that are given all the power and the

1143
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,079
money and the gongs and only here a pretty short

1144
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,920
period of time. What is behind this? What is their intentions?

1145
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,360
And of course this is why, just to finish off here,

1146
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,119
this is why I believe that they, the system has

1147
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:48,760
deliberately thwarted any attempts to find out the true age

1148
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,360
of the Homo sapien and the model of the human

1149
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,000
and why that they've covered all of our past, the origins,

1150
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,159
our actual origins of where we really come from. I

1151
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:02,320
think that might answer some extraor you know question, sorry,

1152
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,159
that may tell us a lot more about what we

1153
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:09,199
really represent as the human, which is a magnificent and

1154
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:10,440
connected to the Godhead.

1155
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:16,519
Speaker 4: And the possible scary answer to that is, I mean

1156
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,960
you've probably seen the Bourne identity and kind of all

1157
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,440
the Born movies, and right at the very very very end,

1158
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,880
and Jason Bourne is asking why is this happening? Who

1159
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,880
did this? You know, who put me on this program?

1160
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,119
Why am I here? And what it comes down to

1161
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:36,559
is he did so in the paranormal sense, who's the puppeteer,

1162
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,920
who's creating all this clown world, this insanity, this chor

1163
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,920
of destructure in this manic just stupid and woke lunacy

1164
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:53,039
that's going on. Is it us? Are we creating for

1165
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:57,760
ourselves almost like an opposite version of what the universe

1166
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,519
should be, in order to show us, in order to

1167
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:05,960
show us how not to do things, to therefore create

1168
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:09,360
for ourselves what we do want in our life.

1169
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think Chris, No, you're right, and yeah,

1170
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:15,159
you touched on it.

1171
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:15,719
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah.

1172
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,679
Speaker 5: In order to know what we want, we need to

1173
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:19,559
know what we don't want. And usually that's what happens

1174
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:21,599
in life, is we get things we don't want. That

1175
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,400
helps us to decide what we do, and then we

1176
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,119
take that path towards it.

1177
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. True, Yeah, And we're also carry on creating. We're

1178
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,760
creating memories as well. I think it's interesting to consider

1179
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,760
the fact that in this life we're never in the moment,

1180
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,960
We're never in the future or the past because we

1181
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:45,000
never reach it. We are generating memories, and one wonders

1182
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,199
whether or not those memories are being used as a

1183
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:52,960
platform for other experiences beyond this dimension of awareness. It's

1184
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,920
rather like someone making a film and then you know

1185
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:58,320
you're seeing the whole production, all of the problems or

1186
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,559
the arguments or the difficulties, and then you're in it.

1187
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,559
You're watching the film as it just flows through nicely.

1188
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:08,400
So Christ and I have considered also that the wonderfulful

1189
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:13,000
mosaic tapestry of this creation of life is something that

1190
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,039
we are generating. We're creating for not just our souls

1191
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,199
for when we pass over, but for other intelligence. There's

1192
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,239
other souls to experience as well, because if you have nothing,

1193
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,119
then there is there is literally nothing. So are we

1194
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:31,079
creating a tapestry, a film, a new world beyond this one?

1195
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,000
That this is just basically where we're directing, we're producing,

1196
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,639
we're writing, and then we can actually go in it

1197
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:41,039
when we leave here, there's another possibility to consider.

1198
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,239
Speaker 4: Exactly that is is kind of like the I think

1199
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,719
Shakespeare said, it's like the whole world is a play,

1200
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,000
but we're everything. We're we're the director, producer, the actors,

1201
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,199
and we're the audience. Philip, do you believe that there

1202
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:58,599
are some there are some films that really put your

1203
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:01,599
heckels up when you when you view them, Like the matrix.

1204
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:03,840
For me, I was just kind of like, oh my god.

1205
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:10,000
Another one was the adjustment Bureau. Do you think do

1206
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,199
you think there is some kind of adjustment bureau for

1207
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,079
when people like me and you and Chris and Neil

1208
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:20,239
start creating little shows like this that we're flagged up

1209
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,400
somewhere and as you say, the little grays come along

1210
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,440
and they kind of probe and seeing what we're about.

1211
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,800
Is there some other kind of like intelligence force or

1212
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,679
some force out there that's if we get a little

1213
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,239
bit too close to the truth, wants to kind of

1214
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,480
come in and veer us a little bit away more

1215
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,519
back into the clown world or the sheep world.

1216
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:44,039
Speaker 5: Chris, I think there is technology where if you are

1217
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,199
tapping onto things that are waking people up, you might

1218
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:50,840
have technological problems like it problems. I think that's possible

1219
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:53,679
where they can access things outside away from you and

1220
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:55,960
you think, oh, this is just a n actual problem.

1221
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:57,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

1222
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 5: I think there are ways and means to change people,

1223
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,559
misdirect them into stopping them. But I've seen the Bureau

1224
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:07,880
that that film, and it is a good one because

1225
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,760
it does make you think, hmmm.

1226
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,159
Speaker 4: It's ever got the hat Man hasn't it They go

1227
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,159
through the portals with their hats exactly.

1228
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so I was.

1229
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,199
Speaker 4: Going to say, Cryst or Philip, either of you, have

1230
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,800
you had instances where you thought this is so crazy.

1231
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,000
It's almost like the Truman Show, almost like it's set up.

1232
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,679
Speaker 5: There are moments where that are bizarre and you think

1233
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,960
you have to look around and think, what was that?

1234
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:35,800
Is am I on tested on my show?

1235
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:36,679
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1236
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: There is? There are moments in my life I do.

1237
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:42,400
I do think and recall a few of those, and yeah,

1238
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,039
I think these are questions about our reality, isn't it?

1239
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,400
And are we being tested?

1240
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,119
Speaker 3: And is this real?

1241
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: This is It's so hard to answer that one. It's

1242
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,840
who is in control of it? I'll be monestor. I

1243
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,360
think that's where silence, free speech is being pushed. That

1244
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:00,599
is that that is their wake on the active scale

1245
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:01,920
and the global scale.

1246
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was definitely cool Philip first of all. Yeah.

1247
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,639
And was the the view the viewing of the UFOs

1248
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,559
the last in the ninth of April twenty sixteen. There

1249
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:16,679
they were like you know, the Summoning of the uf

1250
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:19,039
and the Ape of June nineteen ninety eight venditioned the

1251
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,679
craft the object over our grandmother and then of course

1252
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,599
the abduction. So yes, sure, I've stood back and I thought, well,

1253
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,199
this is incredible because there it is. The system is

1254
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:30,559
telling you it doesn't exist. Either I'm lying or the

1255
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,440
system's lying, and it's like it did feel like the

1256
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,719
Truman Show when you're touched by the singularity and you're

1257
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,239
it's there in full view of you, not just seeing

1258
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,480
people after they've died, and you're thinking yourself, will I

1259
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:46,880
must be going start where they've been mad? But thankfully

1260
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,280
we're grounded and you know, and very to the point.

1261
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,880
So yes, and answer to your question, Andy, it did

1262
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,159
feel a little bit that the Human Show, like wow,

1263
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:59,159
what is going on? And I think this is the

1264
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:05,760
the the actual whole thing that is pulls you in

1265
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,119
because you want to find the truth. Once you're touched

1266
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:09,760
by it, you can't let go. You've got to find that.

1267
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,960
You've got to go in deeper and deeper, light down

1268
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,400
the rabbit hole, so to speak.

1269
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: What we'll say about the you going back up a

1270
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,719
few moments ago, you talked about trying to think positively,

1271
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:22,519
Philip when you're going down the street on the way

1272
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,480
to work, thinking right, I'm going to attract all the

1273
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,840
good things. To me, it so reminded me of I

1274
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,000
don't know when it was done, that it was an

1275
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,559
experiment done on the power of prayer, and it was

1276
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:38,800
done by I think it was back to actually buy

1277
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,159
a Christian organization that initiated this because they wanted to

1278
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,960
actually see does the power of Christian prayer work in healing.

1279
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 3: And they did it at this Christian.

1280
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: Kind of finance hospital I think in America, and they

1281
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,639
took three different sets of people groups and they said, okay,

1282
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,400
to one group, we're going to pray for you in

1283
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,360
the name of Jesus. And then the next group they said,

1284
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,719
we're not going to pray for you at all, and

1285
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,199
they were told about in the next group, they were

1286
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,519
just not going to be told anything.

1287
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,239
Speaker 3: They weren't even be prayed for.

1288
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,079
Speaker 2: They were just going to be left to see if

1289
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:19,400
they would heal or whatever. And the ones that knew

1290
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,960
they were being prayed for by the Christian doctors or

1291
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:28,880
nuns or whoever was doing the prayer work, they were

1292
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,320
the ones that got illa and they took ages to

1293
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,440
recover from their operations. And the ones that weren't prayed

1294
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,960
for at all, who knew nothing about it. Were the

1295
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,360
ones that recovered really well and got at a hospital quicker,

1296
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,280
which has a bit of an irony. So the ones

1297
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,159
that expecting good results from the power prayer actually suffered

1298
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:47,079
the worst, which.

1299
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 3: Is kind of an irony.

1300
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:49,039
Speaker 4: What do you think.

1301
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:54,039
Speaker 3: It's the mind. It's that it's the mind. The power

1302
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,679
of the mind is the I'm in a present force

1303
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:02,039
of everything, and belief structures are reality. That is what's happening,

1304
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,639
you know, So I believe that.

1305
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,679
Speaker 4: You're finding the ones that were prayed for did worse.

1306
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, Chris, you was going to say something.

1307
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 5: Well, you don't know collectively how they were perceiving or

1308
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,159
receiving that healing. Are they people that are open minded

1309
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,159
to healing or that they just think healing is rubbish?

1310
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,479
So they negatively thought that they wasn't going to make

1311
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,000
a difference, and they thought negatively about it. So yeah,

1312
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,880
it's hard to say they engage what the underlying issues

1313
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,319
were with that one, but it is a mindset. It

1314
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,119
definitely is. Because there was a story about two boats

1315
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:37,840
landing on the shore from a shipwreck. One had a

1316
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,319
captain that was really positive, one negative, and all the

1317
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,119
souls on one ship were nearly close to death because

1318
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,960
there was no hope for him, but the positive one

1319
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,760
they all got helping themselves onto the beach. And it's

1320
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,399
just purely mindset and on optimism and hope.

1321
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: And this is why the system is so intent to

1322
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:59,399
disabling us, to stop us from understanding our greatness, because

1323
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,520
they burned or drowned them because they were using their

1324
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,680
minds outside the box. It was a testament from the

1325
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,159
system to say do what you dare do that. So

1326
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,840
we are very powerful as eternal avatars. We are absolutely

1327
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,079
totally we are creators. But the system wants to push

1328
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:18,720
us down and say no. But the question is, what

1329
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,680
is the system or those that's really operated mind the seams,

1330
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,479
what is it they get from us. They obviously need

1331
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,039
a human for something, and there are many suggestions towards that,

1332
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:31,199
but we are highlighting the ways of breaking away from that,

1333
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,880
of being positive, of understanding your brilliance and your creative

1334
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,960
power as a co creator to the one. So you know,

1335
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:41,399
this book also gives people hope, and you know, we

1336
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,600
also explore those questions that we're all looking for. Doesn't

1337
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,560
mean to say we've got the answers they are after

1338
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,319
all theories, but there isn't better than nothing.

1339
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,159
Speaker 4: Neil just quickly there's a counter actually to whatever study.

1340
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,319
That was one of them's anecdote, and one of them

1341
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,479
recorded the re I think he might have been on

1342
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,760
strange but true. There was a young lad who basically

1343
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,000
had cancer of some kind, and basically he kept doing

1344
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,159
a daily meditation of imagining space invaders and imagined that

1345
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,479
he was the spaceship and kind of like going at

1346
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,800
the top, kind of like shooting up bullets, and that

1347
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,159
the aliens at the top represented the cancer. And he

1348
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:23,600
kept doing this visualization and as you know with space invaders,

1349
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,199
like more the bullets go up, the more kind of

1350
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:31,359
like the aliens and the creatures disappear until there's nothing there.

1351
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,960
He kept doing that meditation and eventually he said that

1352
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,760
there's no more aliens there, and he went into the

1353
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,119
doctors and the cancer has disappeared. So that was kind

1354
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:42,159
of yeah, So I think that might have been non

1355
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:46,279
strange but true, but it's certainly documented. And then anecdotally,

1356
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,439
my mum goes to church. He's a Christian in the

1357
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,079
local area. The vicar, this is quite a few years ago.

1358
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,640
The vicar was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and I

1359
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,680
think he was given like a month to live, six

1360
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,680
months to live whatever, it was not long. The whole

1361
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,199
congregation prayed for him and prayed for him and prayed

1362
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:08,119
for him. I think he survived about ten to fifteen

1363
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,920
years afterwards. And I don't I believe that the cancer

1364
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,399
actually disappeared or kind of went into a mission. And

1365
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,399
then however he passed was kind of like natural courses

1366
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,600
after that. I don't think it was the cancer that

1367
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,760
took him. But the fact of the matter is lots

1368
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,439
of people prayed for him and he way outlived the

1369
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,680
prognosis of how long you supposed So that I know

1370
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,920
it's anecdotal books.

1371
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I mean again, I've got anecdotal stories

1372
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,119
where it goes back again the other way because I

1373
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:38,359
used to go to these Christian groups, not that I

1374
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,399
had to point out that I wanted to become a Christian,

1375
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,439
but I just loved to go there for the debates.

1376
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,880
And when I lived in the Bedford area, I went

1377
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,159
to this King's Church place and they did a kind

1378
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,840
of Christian course or something, and of course I knew

1379
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,920
my Bible abit even though I wasn't a Christian and

1380
01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:55,159
I used to challenge him on stuff like that. It

1381
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:58,720
was almost like a kind of theological spa in with people.

1382
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,640
I mean, I was actually asked to leave one group

1383
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:07,800
because I was converting people against Christianity with my arguments,

1384
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:11,560
which I consider that a badge of honor, but.

1385
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:16,039
Speaker 4: Was invited to just quickly. I was invited to a

1386
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:18,920
student union Christian student union, funnily enough, at a local

1387
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,199
hospital because my friend was working as a pharmacist. And

1388
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:25,600
he brought up, it's not for me to go along

1389
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,880
and kind of like try and convert people, but if

1390
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,920
somebody asked the question, I will try and answer it.

1391
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:32,880
And he said, does anyone want to answer? Ask any questions?

1392
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:36,279
And I think about the Bible. My question was if

1393
01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:40,119
incest is a sin, which I highly would not recommend incest,

1394
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:43,960
But if incest is a sin, where did we come from?

1395
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600
Because if Adam and Eve were the first humans and

1396
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,479
they had sons and daughters, the only way the human

1397
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,079
race could have expanded is if those sons and daughters

1398
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,520
pro created. They didn't like that question, and it kind

1399
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,520
of moved on from there.

1400
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does get troublesome done, it's what was the

1401
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,079
question I asked, Oh, yeah, No, they were saying about

1402
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,039
someone that they prayed for, and they said about this

1403
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:13,600
child that was dying from the local church. And like

1404
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,520
you say, the whole longification prayed for him, like two

1405
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,039
hundred people pray for this child, and he died, unfortunately,

1406
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,560
and so they came to the conclusion that God had

1407
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,600
called him home. Now, maybe that was the case, God

1408
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,680
had called him home, but it kind of went you know,

1409
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,000
it's like, well, either you pray and you get better,

1410
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:36,279
or you pray and you don't get better. And I

1411
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:38,920
know people have had cancers and tumors and things like that,

1412
01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:41,640
no one prayed for them, but they still lived for

1413
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,239
maybe another five or six years after their diagnosis. So

1414
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:48,840
it seems to me that prayer could either work or

1415
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,000
it doesn't or I don't know, I mean.

1416
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: Depends whether or not it's short time. It depends, yeah,

1417
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,880
whether or not. You know, we're all going to go out,

1418
01:13:57,359 --> 01:13:58,960
all of us are going to die. That is the

1419
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,920
truth of the matter. And you know who knows. I mean,

1420
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,199
we can't state categorically why these things happen, but we

1421
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:09,079
do know there is another side. There are alternative dimensions

1422
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:12,079
of reality beyond this physical realm so you can know.

1423
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,079
You know, people will bring up all sorts of assumptions

1424
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:17,680
about why this happened, to why this happened the end

1425
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,720
of the day it happened. But the truth of the

1426
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,640
matters is that there is so much more beyond the

1427
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,640
material realm. Let's put it that way.

1428
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,319
Speaker 4: Just add to that, Neil, it almost brings up the

1429
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:31,319
question is there any point in praying, like, for instance,

1430
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:36,279
whose priority is more our priority in wanting the person

1431
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:38,840
to live or God priority wanting them back. So if

1432
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,560
we're praying for them to live and God says, well,

1433
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,760
actually no, I'm going to take them back, well, then

1434
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,079
God takes priority, right, So what's the point of praying

1435
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:48,159
because it's always going to be about what God wants?

1436
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1437
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the trouble is with viewing God in human

1438
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,600
terms that God has a want or need. Surely he shouldn't,

1439
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,640
you know, that's the way with you And unfortunately we

1440
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,159
still kind of still kind of colored a little bit

1441
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:06,239
by that Christian lens of ideas. Even if we're not Christians,

1442
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:08,520
we're still thinking in a lot of those terms without

1443
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:09,239
realizing it.

1444
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,159
Speaker 3: That's a problem.

1445
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,239
Speaker 4: I think. I think the one book that kind of

1446
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:14,680
shook that quite a lot, and I agree. I agree

1447
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,600
with probably ninety nine percent of it, maybe not all

1448
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,680
of it. But Conversations with God by Neil Donald, Oh yeah,

1449
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:25,199
really really takes that kind of like the concept of

1450
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,800
the Christian you know, Judeo Christian God and shakes it

1451
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,079
around and says, actually, maybe it's not quite that. And

1452
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,920
the crux of it is is basically God is not

1453
01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:37,640
so much a he or a she, you know, a

1454
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,720
man on the phone with a big white beard. It's

1455
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,680
more of a consciousness. It's everything that energy.

1456
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:48,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it should be always had by everyone, shouldn't it.

1457
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:50,199
Everyone should have access to that. If you think that

1458
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,560
God's outside of you, then your disconnected from your divinity,

1459
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,960
haven't you? Because if you think God is separate and

1460
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,159
he's one of the answers and you're reaching out to him,

1461
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:02,079
then then what we're you? You're just some satellite spirit

1462
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:06,000
disconnected roaming around this earthly plane. Now, when we say

1463
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,720
free will, we say we have free will or we don't,

1464
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,680
you know, if we choose to come here, are we

1465
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,199
saying that God decides then when he just wants us gone,

1466
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,119
or are we on our spiritual side saying now I've

1467
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,079
had enough of this and then we go. I think

1468
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:21,119
maybe we asked saying to ourselves when we go. And

1469
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:23,720
also I think we have a partnership in agreement where

1470
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,960
people can influence And here I am a big believe

1471
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,960
in healing, so I mean, yes, oh yes, I do

1472
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:32,319
think we have. But we there's there's a thing with

1473
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,920
healing about there's a grace, There's there's a size of it.

1474
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 3: This's of grace.

1475
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 5: Where do you want to heal someone? You have to

1476
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,600
ask them would you accept healing? I think you have

1477
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,119
to ask them. You can you can give them, uh,

1478
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,159
absent healing if you wanted to to make them feel better,

1479
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:50,000
let their passing be of less pain, that sort of thing.

1480
01:16:50,199 --> 01:16:53,239
And yeah, I think that's the key is to you know,

1481
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:55,439
you can influence them to a point, but it's still

1482
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:01,000
their priority that their permissions.

1483
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:04,039
Speaker 3: Or magnificently a wellness, thank you. But it's like the

1484
01:17:04,039 --> 01:17:06,079
thing about doing healing on animals.

1485
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, animals have no concept of God, prayers, grace

1486
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,720
or anything. And yet you could get a spiritual healer

1487
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,239
that appears to you know, make a dog or a

1488
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:18,560
cat better from whatever ailment that they've got.

1489
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,279
Speaker 5: And healing is healing is a frequency, isn't it. You're yeah,

1490
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:25,199
giving healing, Yeah, you are giving the energy. But when

1491
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,119
you're happy in your well you have a frequency of

1492
01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:32,399
of wellness. Whereas someone's ill, there's broken, there's energy dismantled,

1493
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,520
so it's separated, it's not it's not right. And I

1494
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,920
think the healer is just literally aligning that that physical

1495
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,560
being into a spiritual wellness frequency of of healthiness. I

1496
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,600
think you're just playing with the energy to frequency. I

1497
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,000
don't think you're you're doing the healing. You're just bringing

1498
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:48,119
that frequency up for them to match it.

1499
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,119
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's all still leadingship.

1500
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do, yeah exactly that. I think. Also

1501
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,800
mindset is really really important. And also in the olden

1502
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,520
days for healing, certainly kind of Victorian Earlieredwardian days, they

1503
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,439
used to have solariums to get people better, so they'd

1504
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,239
have like covered glass areas where they'd have patients in

1505
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:14,000
beds to get in vitamin D and light. Apparently they

1506
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:17,840
used to heal quicker. And also they've experimented and this

1507
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,039
is quite a kind of mainstream thing now they've got

1508
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:22,079
kind of what do they call it comfort animals or

1509
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:24,720
comfort dogs where they've got a dog that comes into

1510
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,920
kind of convalescent homes or hospitals and you conpet the

1511
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,600
dog and strokes. And at first they thought, oh, this

1512
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,000
is a hygiene issue. We can't have dogs and cats

1513
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:35,560
and buddy rabbits in hospitals and patients. But they've actually

1514
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,640
found that the patients get better quicker, because what do

1515
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,760
you do when you see a big, sloppy dog giving

1516
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:44,720
this You feel good? And I think, actually I'm right

1517
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,359
in saying that they've even experimented with either bringing comedians

1518
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:54,199
or having comedy channels on that also boosts the patient

1519
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,239
recovery time because in hospital, how do you feel? You feel?

1520
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,560
Oh god, everything smells of and to see it again,

1521
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,399
it's kind of oh, it's got a real negad advantage.

1522
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,520
But if you bring in comedy, you bring in humor,

1523
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,960
you bring in animals, you're feeling uplifted and you're feeling wow.

1524
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:10,159
And that's that apparently does.

1525
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,119
Speaker 5: Because what they're doing is they're making you forget Yourself's true.

1526
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's just remind me of the irony

1527
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,640
once I had to take someone to A and E

1528
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:21,600
some years.

1529
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 3: Ago, and we're all waiting in the A and E.

1530
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: And they got a TV screen there for the public

1531
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,680
to watch it whilst they're going to get called by

1532
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,760
a nurse or a doctor or something on what was

1533
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,520
playing on the TV Casualty, So everyone's sort of seeing

1534
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,000
everyone's going in ambulances on the program. It's just reinforceing

1535
01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:39,800
the negative thing about it.

1536
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:43,319
Speaker 3: Crazy. Anyway, I think we're have to draw this meeting

1537
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:44,239
to a close. General.

1538
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: It's been a very fascinating chat. So after the Eternal Avatar,

1539
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,000
is there any other plans to come through with another

1540
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,000
book at some point?

1541
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I dare say. I mean I did to kind

1542
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,560
of like suggest Chris about the book and it came out.

1543
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,760
I am working on two projects at the moment, so

1544
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,600
you know, books take a while, as you know Neil

1545
01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:09,359
to write and of course you know, so yes, who

1546
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:12,760
knows great and Chris, what plans do you have to do?

1547
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:13,119
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1548
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 5: I mean writing the book with Philip was such a

1549
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,720
privilege and the joy and wasn't expected. But that now

1550
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,399
that's past. I think I'm going to continue looking forward

1551
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,119
some between jobs. So I'm working on my art still

1552
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:25,239
because I like to do my own art and get

1553
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:28,720
commissioned for that and so that's good. Yeah, so we'll

1554
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,399
see what happens. All excited.

1555
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:31,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

1556
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: And I haven't really mentioned much of Chris's art, but

1557
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,560
Chris is also a fantastic artwork. And so Chris, if

1558
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,560
people want to see your lot, you have your website,

1559
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:38,920
don't you.

1560
01:20:39,399 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 5: I do. It's Chris Mays dot UK.

1561
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 3: That's all. It is important. And you paint.

1562
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 2: I've seen some of the pictures you paint clicks with

1563
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,319
it's anything wildlife and all sorts of underwater scenes of

1564
01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:53,319
turtles and things like that.

1565
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

1566
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 5: Well yeah, airbrushing, watercolors, oils, crylics, charcoal, anything. Yeah, just

1567
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,119
all topics, landscape, you know, portraits, any anything and it's

1568
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,239
and it's they married together. So I use whenever I

1569
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:08,279
came whatever medium suits the subject.

1570
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely. That's really good.

1571
01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to have a bunch of artists on

1572
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:15,439
here all chain about not really we're not talking much

1573
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,760
about No, we're not. And Philip, so you don't do

1574
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,399
twin souls anymore. But you've got any other things coming

1575
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,159
up on the TV production side. I know that we've

1576
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:29,239
seen a few Amazon productions and things like that. Is

1577
01:21:29,239 --> 01:21:31,279
there any kind of other filming events you're doing.

1578
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:37,039
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm doing another filming event in London fairly soon

1579
01:21:37,079 --> 01:21:40,159
and then I've got a few more talks to do,

1580
01:21:40,279 --> 01:21:42,920
lectures to do on UFOs, so yes, so we're ending

1581
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,479
the year on a nice little from there. So it's

1582
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,720
been a busy year, but I'm very grateful for everything

1583
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,560
that comes my way. So yeah, oh good.

1584
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: And can we just also mention the award that you

1585
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,119
got because I'm about that in the summer, But do

1586
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,319
you want to tell us everybody about the award that

1587
01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:00,760
you received. It's fantastic news.

1588
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:06,079
Speaker 3: Yes. Well, I had got the the London and Southeast

1589
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:09,800
Prestige Award and it came after the Blue and it

1590
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,319
was a shock and so I was very honored to

1591
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,079
receive that for my clairvoyants. They put it down for

1592
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:18,840
my clever voints. They were very rigorous the judges in

1593
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:25,079
their analysis, and there were many other people in different categories,

1594
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:27,800
but I was very honored. So that's a third duel

1595
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,920
to the crown, so to speak. So I got one

1596
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,399
before in two thousand and eight in Portsmouth for mu Mediumship,

1597
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,439
and then I had the UFO Award for Dedication to

1598
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,399
the Truth so I'm very honored. But you know, at

1599
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:40,920
the end of the day, it's nice, but we're all

1600
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,359
important and we each have our journey, so I'm very grateful. Well,

1601
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:48,079
we pray that it continues that if it works.

1602
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 4: A suggestion for your next book, Phi call it circumventing

1603
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,680
clown World.

1604
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it always makes me laugh, play on world.

1605
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,119
Speaker 2: So your website, Philip, for those that want to check

1606
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:05,760
you out a little bit further, what's that again?

1607
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,279
Speaker 3: Please yes to this www dot the can seller twins

1608
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:13,039
dot com and www dot philipin Sella dot com.

1609
01:23:14,079 --> 01:23:17,399
Speaker 2: Excellent and Andy, you've got tuned in events dot co

1610
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:18,000
dot uk.

1611
01:23:19,039 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 4: Yes, tuning Events dot co dot uk. We're obviously doing

1612
01:23:23,039 --> 01:23:26,880
lots of kind of clearboanty type stuff on a smaller scale.

1613
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,760
I'd love to work with Philip at some point in

1614
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,520
the future. They'll be really quite install.

1615
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,039
Speaker 2: You're kind of not that far away from each other,

1616
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,600
in maybe an hour from each other, so you never know.

1617
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 4: Put it on Bedford. I wish I'm half a cheer.

1618
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:46,079
So yeah, we're touching boarders.

1619
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,319
Speaker 2: All right, lovely Well, thank you very much indeed for joinings, gentlemen,

1620
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,239
and good luck with the eternal Avatar and any future projects.

1621
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,840
So you've been listening to myself, Neil Ward, Andy Chaplin,

1622
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:01,520
Chris Mays and Philipkinsella on Paranormal Peak show on the

1623
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,960
Paranormal UK Radio Network. And have a great Yule, Christmas,

1624
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,319
happy Holidays and wishing you all the best for twenty

1625
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:10,079
twenty six.

1626
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 3: Good Night

1627
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:03,199
Speaker 7: To the po