Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and
now it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. My name is Neil Ward and I'm
joined once again by Andy Chaplain Andy, how are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Pretty good, Neil surviving the communist regime that's going on.
That's said to be freedom of speech, so if anyone
says anything offensive, be prepared to be dragged away to
one of Stalin's goolags.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got a whole list of things I wanted
to say, so that perhaps this show then we better
talk about save stuff. But that's actually part of the
topics of tonight's thing, because we do have the authors
of this wonderful book that I'm reading called The Eternal Avatar,
and they talk about how the system tries to dumb
us down, which I'm sure Andy's aware of. So welcome
once again to Philip Kinsella and your co author of
this book is Chris Mays. Welcome to both of you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much for having us. Thank you,
thank you Neil, thank you Andy, Thank you so Philip.
If I can start with you.
Speaker 2: We've obviously had you on before talking with your brother
a part of the Twin Soul's radio show that you
used to have on the paranorm UK radio network. And
you've forged ahead write in more books and you're still
doing demonstrations as a medium and things. So this is
a slightly different book from a lot of the stuff
where you talk about abductions and things. You've split off
and gone into a slightly different thing talking about the
whole thing and meaning of life.
Speaker 3: Why are we here?
Speaker 2: How did this book start off? What was the kind
of germination of that idea? Well, it started off when
Chris and I were in a pub with another friend
and Chris suggested it more than anything, and I thought,
what a great idea that would be if we could
turn the book into something like the Eternal Avatar, because
we were talking about human genesis, you know, the reality
of that, not the fairy tale version that most people
still believe today. And of course the interest in the
incarnation reincarnation process. I think it's very important for us
as a species because in life, you know, most of
us are just treading that wheel that the system wants
us to be trapped in. And there are important questions
that both Chris and I wanted to ask to present
to the public, to the readers about our sovereignty, are
actual sovereignty? And why is the system has deliberately segregated
certain areas of research. And there are three of them,
although you know most people will assume that they remain
in their own separate categories. One is the UFO is
the reality of that. The other one is life half
to death and of course creation, And one wonders why,
you know the system has such a heart of time
accepting or embracing any of these theories. So it was
actually Chris who set about the idea for the book.
And over to Chris, yeah, because I mentioned the word avatar,
didn't I even in the conversation that the body like
an avatar, the spirit coming in and so we were
living these experiences within this shell, this avatar, so to speak,
and then just let it on from there. And I
didn't realize what I mentioned until Philip said, Chris, you
mentioned this, let's make that into a book. And it
was just it was all systems go, wasn't it on
that front? Because once we got started and we had
the idea, and because we both had the experiences, we
had synchronicities.
Speaker 3: We had so much to give.
Speaker 5: We have so much insight and experiences that we wanted
to invade along with facts and you know, history and
let people know what's going on and to unpeel the
layers of illusion and get to the truth of it all.
Speaker 3: Yes, did you see Chris is a twin. He's got
a twin butler. I have a twin butler. Chris and
his family used to have a labrador called Prince. We
had a labidor called Prince. So the other thing is
that Chris also recalls his incarnation process, which I will
say is very very rare. Most people have memories of
past lives, and of course Chris didn't have any regression
or hypnosis. And I, with my memory, recall of past
lives board the indeed the other side two of them
that I had. So we decided, well, you know, let's
discuss this. Let's look at the importance through the sovereignty
of spirit. And most people assume, well, we're here and
then we die. Well, that's no problem if they want
to believe that. And most people also believe, well, there's
only heaven and Earth. But we've discovered that there is
more than that in terms of inter dimensional connections. We
also wanted to cover the other darker area, which is
a reality of what's going on on the planet at
the moment and why it is the system that we
serve as deliberately hijacked this planet or certain force perhaps
that's still here that is dumbing us down. As an
Andy as we know, don't get and they involved in
those subject matters because he will, he will tell you
how it is, and rightfully so. And I did laugh
when you used the world I think it was clown
world that we're in. Andy's It humors me most definitely
when you say we're in clown world.
Speaker 4: We are, we are is And I've even got where
are we?
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you going into the man in banks.
Speaker 2: I've got this, Oh yeah, your little hooter thing, our
little host are.
Speaker 3: So yeah. So what we wanted to do was we
decided that we could construct a book slightly different that
talks about incarnation and also varied deities, most notably Thoth,
because we do know that within science that life can
be created through light, and of course Thoth, as people
know as one of the Egyptian deities, actually most people
assumed was extraterrestrial in nature and had been evolved through
light and not through the normal reproductive system that we
go through. And this posed some very interesting questions about
our real sovereignty. And what was remarkable through the work
was Chris's channel poetry, because we decided that Chris would
write a piece of poetry for each chapter that denoted
the kind of chapter typo And it's very moving. So
it's a very different book. It's not just one about
Nedek experience or you know, past life memory or aggression.
It is asking the penultimate question about what we are
as humans and are of all purpose because to us
it was maddening that we're living and you know, we're
being operated by a system that it cares not for
these penultimate questions that will really reinforce our place within
time and space.
Speaker 4: So yeah, do you think do you think there's a
connection between the ramping up of the dumbing down of
the human race and basically a communist globalist regime taking
over the planet and whatever this object is that is
at plus thirty one hurtling towards Earth and increasing speed
allegedly and Chinese UFOs having missiles being thrown in it
as well. Are we under a kind of like an
alien attack, but they're keeping it kind of quiet.
Speaker 3: Ish to me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well it's whether it's not just now it
We always have been under attack, it's just it's being
gradual and gradual now they've ramped it up. Now people
are becoming more aware. I think people are becoming more enlightened.
And now we're actually seeing the shadows now before they
were there were always around us. And in respect to
being dombe down, always have been. It's only now that
we realize how much dumbing down we've had in the past.
Some are still quite happy to be in in that way.
It's about that inclination. You don't want to see the
world for what it.
Speaker 3: Is because it scares them.
Speaker 5: And I think there's a lack of information with regards
to who and what we are, which is why again
we wanted this book to prod people, make people question
the reality that they're in because the system is so
overloading ourselves. As you know, our sympathetic system isn't graded
or meant for the problems of the world. People just
crack with the amount of information that's coming in now,
with all the problems and that's what they want. Put
you in fear and you IQ drops and then you
don't think rationally. So this is the issue. We're we're
on a psychic and spiritual attack, and that has a
fundamental problem because when they're doing that, we're not able
to get outside of ourselves and see the problem on
the outside. We're inside the problem. So we need to
calm down, know who we are. So we need to
go down this avenue of who and what are we
because otherwise we're going to lose ourselves with micro chipping, transhumanism,
and then before we know it, we've we've looked at
what we've lost before we've realized what we had to
lose to begin with. So and with what's all paranormal,
they're happy with paranormal things to go on if no
one gives an answer for it. And then there's so
many issues going on with with the UFO threats and wars,
it's becoming very messy, and I think that's the way
they want it. People are starting to lose the truth
because truth now is wrong, and wrong is now right,
and it's just upside down, and that's that's one of
their ways is to get people so lost you know,
with truth, you find yourself in truth, don't you. When
that's gone, everyone's lost their bearings. People look for a savior,
people look for a light. So people are looking for
inspiration and looking at people, and then people become fualse idols,
so that people are following the wrong people. It's a
time to really stop what you're seeing and go inwards.
This is an inward time. As much as you're seeing everything,
trying to focusing on now is your power, not worrying
about tomorrow or or what happened yesterday. So this is
this is very much. Everyone has to do this and
not collective. Can't look for someone else. We have to
all do it. And I mentioned about the light, which
we can mention later on in this podcast, but yeah,
we all need to look for our light within us.
Speaker 4: What are your views on the Atlas thirty one object.
Speaker 3: Philip, Yeah, that's interesting. There's a third one, isn't it.
It's the third one to come or sling shot into
our solar system and the gravitational force. There's whole it
is well controlled. One of the things that really annoys
me more than anything is NASA never very straight answer.
We all know that, but also the Pentagon, and also
this freedom of information. It's never going to happen as
far as those dragons are concerned, because, as we've argued
theoretically and you know, constructively argued, if they informed the
public of what really was responsible, what the force was
behind this, the public will be horrified because they'll realize
that this is not what the system and especially through
the media, has sold the public. You know, So the
system has itself to blame now because people are asking
questions not just about the reality of UFOs, which have
always been here and have been for a very very
long time, but also about what's happening out in space.
And you know, because we're blind to it, no one
you know, can go up there and look for themselves
because one, we don't have the technology, the general public
haven't means to access that. But also interestingly is this.
They have these most amazing satellite systems that can chart
billions of like years away, and when it comes to
places like the Moon, we get grain images. You know,
it's this this and you know, I know people say, oh,
they roll their eyser, but this is a fact. These
satellites can actually pinpoint a bubblegum wrapper near a drain
in New York. So why aren't we getting these images
central central to the main orbit of the Moon that's
right next door to us. And I know people say, oh, conspiracy, conspiracy, No,
it is a reality. This information has been going on
for a long time now. This device that's on its
way is very interesting because it looks as though it's
got some kind of propulsion. But already they're saying, oh,
it's just a comet. So I don't know. I think
perhaps it's possible that we do have an extraterrestrial presence
on it. I in fact, we are all extraterrestrial. I mean,
if you think about it as the human you know,
we tend to think, oh, we're just the human being
in the flesh and blood mechanism, and here we are
in biological construct. But we argue of the soul, the
spirit that is and may not be from this reality.
This comes from another dimension of reality. After all, the
Egyptians were desperate to get their soul or spirit out
of this realm and up towards the rock Star system.
You know, so I think a lot of them, a
lot of the things the system is doing is corrupted,
and nothing's new there not just about our sovereignty, but
also the past and what's going on out there that
we have no access to. So you know, they're always
wanting you to look one way, when actually they're doing
that because they don't want you to look the other
of what's really going on there.
Speaker 2: They can't control it all though, can they. There's only
so much that they can distract you with. We are
managing to peek through the cracks of some of their
kind of stories and secret histories and things like that.
So people are wise in and up, especially with the
age of the Internet. They've given us a toll in
one hand to play around, and now they're starting to
realize that the genius out of the box, and now
they're trying to restrict what we're seeing on that. You know,
they're bringing all these laws to try and stop at
some things. I was going to come to Chris just
to sort of briefly touch upon it. I understood that
you had read one of phillips books, Guardians of the
Dead Guardians of the Dead.
Speaker 3: How you was that?
Speaker 2: How you first found out about Philip's work, or had
you known of him beforehand?
Speaker 3: Or I heard of him?
Speaker 5: His name came up at work so funnily enough, and
so I thought, oh, Philip Cancello, and so I looked
and the book came to me. It was a gift, actually,
So I read it and things were happening. Things were
the coincidences in my life was playing out on the
next page that I was reading that evening, Oh wow,
that's really straight like feeling cold, extremely cold, this was
in the summertime. And then reading that he was having
healen it was extremely cold, and this was like, this
was only moments ago. I was feeling this and so
many other synchronicities. And there was a light around the book,
and I could see lights in the room. There was movements,
and then I was starting to get conversation in my
head to reach out to Philip, to speak to him
to and I've never had that before, And there was
this pole, there was this need, and I had this
impression of how Philip was feeling and in this situation
in life. So I thought this, this is, this is
I can't ignore this. I have to reach out, and
so I did. I've just found the contact, reached out
and then like lo and behold, we were met. And
it wasn't a case of a meeting online. I just
know it was important to meet in person, and I'm
glad I did. And it was it was It was
memorable because it was just like to and it's too fusion.
Speaker 3: It made in It was incredible. I have to say
also that you know this this also brings into the
equation of synchronosity of destiny as well too, because you know,
most people think that their lives are just they run
willy nilly, but we were looking into all order as
opposed to chaos, and that there are some form of
life mapping beyond this realm. And we Chris and I
both discussed you know what system are we from because
within his incarnation process, he remembers coming in to this realm,
and you know, we wonder. We wanted to explore these
subject matters of synchronousities, of connections, of soul links, which
are very important because you know, although we were all
walking this life, there are other souls out there that
do connect with us on an amazing level. And Chris
had walked into my life when I was in a
very dark place where I felt like I couldn't I
was just doing things mechanically and I couldn't move forward
and It's amazing how he seemed to open the door
and so much more. We had so much in common
and we just clicked and it was just like an
amazing connection between the two of us. And so we decided, well,
let's work on a project and let's explore these deeper
questions about life, about purpose, about what we're doing here,
and damn the system. I mean, the book also is
about having people hope, all of us hope to know
that it doesn't matter if you're rich or your poor famous,
which is a big illusion, or not. It doesn't matter
that we all have purpose, that we all have the
power to transform ourselves. And this is the book also
that tells people that you have that power, not the system,
because people are giving it power and it's feeding that power.
And I know Andy with his clownhorn, that you know,
you know, I know that you'll be there, like with
the masses, bless you, ready to bring the system down,
which we all would love to do. And I think
it's important that we're all a lot of people are
now awakening because they know what's going on. It's quite clear,
it's quite transparent about the lies and the propaganda and
also the exploitation of conscious dissidence which is starting to
break away. I think this is important for us to note.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what I'd like to see, Philip,
not so much the collapsing of the system that we've got.
I would actually like to see a circumventing of the system.
I would like people to kind of say, well, that's lovely,
you have your system, you have your little communist shit
over there, and we'll create something much better over here
and just leave us alone.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid we have to take a break here, gentlemen.
So what we'll do we'll resume in just a second
or two. But for the moment, you're listening to Philip
Kinsella and Chris Mays being interviewed by myself and the
Award and Andie Chappin on the Paranormal Peep Show on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, and we're talking, amongst other things,
about their book The Eternal Avatar. So we'll be more
of that in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Paranormal peep Show. We're talking to
Philip Kinsella and Chris may Is about the Eternal Avatar.
It's their latest book that they produced covering all sorts
of topics such as avatars.
Speaker 3: What is an avatar? Well, the avatar that I.
Speaker 2: Understand was the one from the film with the James
Cameron film with people flying the dinosaurs. But I know
that that avatar was probably taken from this thing called
Second Life, which was a game going around in the
mid two thousands or something where people went onto computer
they inhabited another life form. But you're saying the eternal
Avatar is actually inhabiting maybe human life forms and other
life forms and they become our avatars.
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes? I mean avatar is in hindu
Is for masters soul incarnating into the flesh rather Christ
if we just touch upon that very sensitive subject. But
we Chris and I believe that we are all avatars
that it's not just a you know, coming from heaven,
a place that we're still trying to research and understand
that other dimensions of reality are the worlds, because you know,
we look at the universe and it's absolutely incredible. What
are we contained? And if we are indeed in something,
what is beyond that? And when people say, oh, I
don't believe. When I say, someone look up there, what
is up there space? It's like, yeah, well, what's holding
that together? Where's the glue that's binding that all together?
It's incredible. So I think it's very naive as us
as a current and very early species to assume that
this is how it is. No being wrong, Chris, It's interesting.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that about that the other day. Actually,
I went to a nightclub in London and I was
just looking around at all the people. I just thought,
all of these people kind of essentially came from the
size of a grain of sand, you know, smaller than
the side of a grain. Is that everyone around me,
you know, you could just fit into kind of like
a thimble in terms of a grain of sand. And
I was thinking, all of their consciousnesses are within themselves,
and each person has got like an individual perspective of
everything around them, and I was just thinking, where where
is them? Where is the where is the essence of them?
Is it? Is it just within the human body or
is it just kind of like absolutely everywhere? And it's
just each person has a perspective just from within their
human body. When you think about it, it's phil It's
quite bizarre, isn't it. It's really you've got this huge
universe of nothingness. If you go out there, there's this
kind of like there's this cold, dark nothingness. Whether there's
you know, other planets, which I personally believe there is,
but you know that's another matter. Let's say for the moment,
it's just like a cold, empty universe, and then you
come to this tiny little blue marble, tiny little blue marble,
and then it's just absolutely teeming with like like how
how is it even possible? Where does it come from?
Speaker 3: Well, Crystal will explain as well. But if you look
at the universe like a mattress, the mattress has springs
to hold that together. And darn matter does suggest that
there is an alternative layer, that a hidden power, hidden
force that is holding and binding everything together. So and
even in quantum quantum mechanics, quantum physics tells us that
nothing is really separate. They're all connected. The crystal crystal
explain a little bit about is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good and andy because you mentioned about us
all being like a speck and then be becoming the
human body. And where's the consciousness? Where is our spirit?
How is it connected? And I think that's that's the thing.
On a day to day level. You look at the
body and think where am I?
Speaker 3: What am I? You know?
Speaker 5: Where is my consciousness? Where is my soul or whatever
you want to call it? The thing with labels on
one person will say a soul, spirit, you the behind self,
higher self. And I think we're we are spirit having
a physical experience. And I don't think all of us
is here. I know it looks like and feels like
we are. I don't think that all of our consciousness,
all of our soul, all of our divinities is just
separated and here. I think we're still linked to the Gods,
source or whatever you want to call it. They all
knowing all consciousness of intelligence. So I think we are
like a thread connected to it, and we're just using
this body to hook us into this reality as it
is often mentioned in the matrix or a simulation. So yeah,
and that's where it ties into my incarnation. And how
I came in was that feeling that I was an energy,
a being of light, and it was so interconnected. I
was still myself but still connected with everything and around me,
and it was just a peaceful, happy, joyous place. But
I wanted to learn. It was like an aching to
know more about myself and who I was and what
I was made of. And there was these voices and
as a child when I was having these experiences or
remembering within the context, I just had no idea what
I was going through. I couldn't explain it. And when
I came at the end and I was crying because
of the shock of it, I couldn't explain to my
parents what I was seeing and what was feeling until
I got older and I realized and I pieced it together.
And so yeah, back to where I was, and I
was in this place where I wanted to leave. I
wanted to experience at this life, and I could see
the variations of my life, and the variations was how
well I could remember who and what I was, and
how much I could remember and stay true to myself
with all the challenges that I would face, because I think,
excuse me, that's the problem with people that they come
across situations where you do lose your source.
Speaker 3: Don't you.
Speaker 5: You lose yourself and you've become the victim, and then
you're disconnected. And that's the thing why I call evil.
It's evil that anything that separates us from from our
true self, our higher self, anything that does that is evil.
And so disconnecting yourself, you lose your power. And then
some people like sadly commit suicide or they don't see
the reality of the situation. And so when I was leaving,
there was these voices that were saying, are you sure?
Are you happy? Are you committed? And I was like, no, sure,
I'm certain. I can be this person. I can be
this who I want to be, and strive to be
the best that I can be, a remembering and challenging
myself to see and know what I truly am made of,
because in this timeless place, nothing changes. It's timeless, so
things can't change. I had no polarity, There was no
sense of knowing who I was. I knew who I was,
but just collect indistinctly, I didn't know what I was
made of, and I needed those challenges, and so I left.
It was a flash, It was instant, and I just
came into darkness, and I was out of that sense
of connected lights being energy, and I wasn't just I
was just a consciousness. And I was being pushed and
pulled at the same time. So I was being pulled
to a destination while being pushed away from where I was.
And all the while I was forgetting that memory of
where I was. I was just forgetting and forgetting. And
it was becoming really ominous. And I realized that what
I done, and I could see these specs and it
got bigger, specs that were so small but just consumed me.
Realizing that I was becoming so small while I was
becoming ever so small. Things that were small is now
becoming bigger and consuming me. So I was passing through
it felt like on you can describe as realities lights
of ribbon matter. I couldn't explain it, but I can.
I can see it now in my third eye, what
I was going through. It was just like I was
falling through matter, through substance, through time. It was like
I was being consumed by it. And the sense of
being made to feel so small, insignificant to everything else.
But the only security I was that I had somewhere
to go. I had that sense of purpose, that there
was something at the end of this path. It was
for me, and it was just going faster, and it
was just the fear of having things being able to
affect me. I realized that these things outside of me
can affect me. That was new to me, because on
the other side, that place doesn't things can't affect you
that way, but this can. It can hurt you, affect
it just it was area and then I saw this
golden light and I just came to it and then bam,
it was over.
Speaker 3: And that was that.
Speaker 5: It was just it just came out crying because I
was waking up and not knowing where I was and
not feeling like this was home. This place wasn't where
I came from, and all these questions were in my
head and as a young child of four or five,
it was just too much. But it was. It was
coming to me every night, every so often. It was
coming to me and it was being played out and
I was denying it. I was saying, no, I don't
want to go through this again. I don't want to
see it because it was so traumatic. But it was like, Noe,
you're going to see it. You're going to remember this,
You're going through it. You have to know and remember this.
And that's yeah, that's how I that's part of the
c And also you were trying, even a young age
to get out of your body. Yeah, I know you
were trying to get out of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I was a baby, I was in the cot
and I could shake myself against the back, on my back,
I was knocking myself out of my body in a way.
I could feel myself loosening out. I was coming out
of my body and I could escape my little body.
Speaker 3: And I was.
Speaker 5: Creating such a noise that I was making the cot
jump up and down, and it was disturbing the neighbors.
And neighbors were coming knocking on the door saying what
are you doing? Why are you doing? Diyatt so late
at night, And my dad was saying, well, do you
want me to do change my child down to the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Even when I was in the car, I was getting
out of the cart, dismantling it, destroying it because I
just didn't want to be in the cot. Everything was
just trying to I didn't want to be where I was.
Speaker 2: Did your twin brother have any kind of similar experiences
to you, as you're both twins.
Speaker 5: No, I can't say. Yeah, he's had some paranormal experiences.
He had loads of smoke coming out of his mouth.
He thought he was on fire, and then he looked
and then suddenly it had gone and he was alone
in the house. So he quickly phoned my parents and
then we didn't know what to say. But no, he
is sensitive and I've picked up on him. He's had
a black eye and on that night. I've had the
sore eye, the watering the plane, so I sensed it.
And he had a soft drink one day and I
tasted it, so i'd text him and he said, yeah,
that's what I'm drinking, and so many other things where
he had a painful farm, so did I. There's synchronicities
and thoughts that we've matched up, and yeah, I definitely
think there is a psychic link. One seems to be
I seem to receive. He seems to be the center
right now. It's interesting you mentionedly amount of smoke coming out.
I was just gonna say it sounds a bit like
physical mediumship. The smoke coming out of the mouth, I mean,
it could be anything, but yeah, he was doing something
something mundane in the kitchen, just tiding up that, you know,
and he just looked down and just saw this just
coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 3: It was bizarre.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's just he thought he was on fire
literally because he said thick name.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna say, it's interesting you're talking about
these experiences when you're four or five years old. This
seems to be quite a consistent thing. I don't know
if you've seen the show A Ghost Inside My Child,
but that's that's quite fascinating. And there's a lot of
kids who also say the same thing. It's like they
don't feel that this planet is home and they want
to go home, and they talk about wanting to go home.
And I've also got of like felt that growing up
as well. I've never really kind of fitted in with
this Earth society or this Earth planet. I've always felt that,
even even growing up, because I was growing up in
a Church of England school and you know, obviously it's
very kind of like church based and Christian based, which
is fine, but as I was growing up, I kind
of thought, this doesn't really resonate with me, like why
am I being told all these stories and parables from
the past that don't really kind of mean anything in
this current life and a lot of questions, and growing
up in the school that I grew up in, you
weren't really really allowed to ask questions. It's kind of
this is how it is, just accept it kind of thing.
And I think I think people like us, we're kind
of out of the normal box, so to speak, and
we begin to think and we begin to kind of
like question things more. And then, as Philip was alluding
to earlier that if you do that, if you stick
your head about a head above the parapet then you're
going to start getting shots off of the establishment and
the regime.
Speaker 3: Well, they can throw what they wanted us, because you know,
theory work, and also basing our assumptions upon models, not
just those that have already been studied, but creating some
kind of new linkal theories, attaching to the suggestion that
we are much more than flesh and blood. And this
is interesting because my question is why, you know, why
are they doing what they're doing, And that's what we're
looking at at the moment, but certainly through Chris's experience
is incredible and I understand those feelings I remembered as
a kid. I think I put this in one of
my other books, that if I got a pin and
I pricked it on my tongue, not that I did
it very often. There was a sensation I used to
experience at night where it was like that feeling of
a mass of an energy that was so much more
peerf than I was, that could crush you, and that
even when I was perhaps ten or eleven, I remembered
I called it this the matter. I have written this.
I used to call the energy mister matter even then
as a kid, because his energy was very strong and
very powerful, and I couldn't kind of understand what this was.
But certainly the other side is more real than here.
And when you do crossover, I mean I had the
experience in South Africa when I drowned, and I had
the experience, it is incredible. It's a feeling of well,
I am home, this is home, and also the shock.
It's not just although you explain it in words, the
feelings attached with them, like Chris's examples of them coming
into the incarnation when you remember those feelings of the
record of that it's shocking because that's more real than
being here. Here it felt like we're asleep, we're not
really awake, and yet over there it was more real
than here. And of course, unfortunately, being a psychic, you
are then prone to many other aspects of these recalls,
so that I call recalls any of them, but they
all when you get them, there is a connection. There's
definitely a connection to be made, and I think, and
I agree with Chris, that we're never really truly apart
from our real sovereignty, and I think there is a
connection that we can make between one and body to
the other, rather like the Avatar as it were, because
you know, we're here temporarily in human form, and of
course you know consciousness will depart this realm and returned
back to wherever it originally came from. But some kind
of embodiment maps, even if it's light, is suggestive of that.
So the Avatar as well within the film. It's interestingly
humans will wanting to put their consciousness into an alien
life form so they can adapt without environment. So it's
very much the same thought that we have on a
higher level of spiritual reality as we as they call it.
Speaker 2: So there's two points are mentioned for it, and one
is earlier in the book. He talking about your granddadkin Cella,
who is you went to the other side. I can't
remember how you went there, ye dreamer or natural projection
or something. And he was in a windmill, wasn't he.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that that And you'll find that these
experiences never leave you because they have such a profound
affair on your your your consciousness. So we were in
Brown's close and I woke up. I woke I can't remember.
It was the Sassi a Sunday morning. Then I found
myself floating up out of my body into the sky
and I came towards this beautiful city. It was the
most amazing modern city I've ever seen in my entire life.
There were lights on, there was no one around. There
was a piece or a quad that I can't explain.
And I went up where it felt like I was
going up, and then I was in this land with
a blue sky with poppies, loads of poppies, no sun,
and we did talk about that nil before the one
else son no sun, and I saw this windmill and
as soon as I thought of going towards the windmill.
I was there and I hooped up the door and
it was my step grandfather from the paternal side, and
James Patrick Kinsella, and he was healthy and he was
there and he said, oh, he is Irish accent. Lovely
to see you so and he grabbed me. And when
I went in into this room, there were these pictures
of his horses, because he loved horses, and he wanted
me and my brother to be jockey's.
Speaker 2: We're too tall for that. But there was a lady
sitting in the corner at the table. Her hair was
designed differently and she was sipping some tea. And I
didn't know who she was because the grandmother that I
knew I never really well. We did meet her, but
she'd had a stroke and it was in a vegetative
state for about eleven I think it was about thirteen
years paralyzes. She couldn't talk, and one we'd see and
she would just look vacantly in our eyes. So my
grandfather was happy and told me that he'd always be
there for me, and we gave another hug, and then
I was back in the field with copies and I
came down towards the city and I woke up up.
Now I can't remember how long it was, but I
went over my stepfather's at one point and he showed
us some film of silent film I projected on a
wall and there was my grandfather dancing with the lady.
And I said, oh, my goodness, I've seen her. Who's
that and he said, that's your grandmother. Now the windmill
was that When Ronnie and I were very young, we
lived on the property of Bignell House and our stepfather
had made this mechanical windmill, and I remembered looking at it,
and our grandandfather came to stay with us at the
cottage on the grounds of the mansion, and he was
very pleased with the work that his son had done.
And I was fascinated by this windmill. So I think
my grandfather had used that as a rooms to get
me there, to show me the windmill, so that I
could work it out, so I would know that I
had had and been to see him. But I don't
know what the city was in between that state. That
was quite fascinating, So yes, that was the that was
the event. It struck me when I read that, and
I know you told me the story in person, and
it was nice to reread it in the book. But
what jumped out me was the poppies. I know, it
seems kind of like a minor detail, but to me
that meant quite a lot. The reason being that is
when my own grandfather, my Welsh grandfather, was dying in hospital,
one of the last things he was said to have said,
because I wasn't there, he said, I can see poppies.
I can see poppies, and my mum wondered if it
has something to do with, you know, the fields of
France where he was, maybe in the battles there or
something in the war. And then shortly afterwards he died.
So I kept thinking of that poppies. It could be
significant to do with the other side. And you said
there was something symbolic about it. I can't remember there
is said what was the symbolism?
Speaker 3: The eternity? The poppies signify eternity rather immortality, or it's
one of those definitions. Because I wanted to find out
why I was in the field of poppies, what did
they mean? And of course, when you like Chris and Andy,
like you Neil, when you're involved in this you'll find
the spirit bring things in a way that we have
to translate that language, the unspoken language, through signs and symbology.
So that's why I had a look at that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then so you talked about previous lives that
you had in the book, where I think one of
them you was this kind of a servant to a
high up guy in India working in the taj Mahole,
you thought, and then eventually in that life you died. Now,
how did you get that memory come through? Was that
under hypnosis or anything?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that that's always been with me. And
I seeing myself as a poor boy in a white tunic,
watching and seeing elephants bringing tree barts and all sorts
across from what I now know to be the river.
And of course I remembered my home. It was just
a simple dwelling, white wall, dirty and my room was
just a hard bed. Then I found myself working for
a master. He fed me and clothed me, and I
remembered going to this part where there was an outside
gated area with steps going into water, when there was
an Indian man with a turbine who was a friend
a worker, and we used to bube and talk, and
so I remember that very clearly now when I was
at school and going through pictures of the taj My Hull.
You have the famous part with a lotus pond, which
is always insane, but there was a part that I remembered.
There was a side gate and I found it in
a book and I couldn't believe it. So that was
one that me and did not come to any form
of question or They were quite depressing and kind of
justs to honest with. The one was mere being a
tramp up north somewhere. The smell of the kind of
like material in the air, I don't know how to
explain its smoke, fog lights. I was in an old
bush shelter that was worn out, and that was my home,
and I liked reading books. And the lady from the
hill would done with the two children and give me
food and water. Mostly depressing incarnations, and we're decided to
come down here.
Speaker 7: We must have been drunk. I think you don't bet
on this one, though, haven't you. I think, because this
a particular lifetime, you're you're starting to wake up and
starting to smell the coffee, as they say, and you're
starting to work out that their previous lifetimes and you're
an eternal avatar and you know, so, so all these
kind of experiences like Chris is like and is like mine,
are starting to sort of accumulate, and something's rising into
the surface of all these lifetimes through the sediment of
our consciousness to the very top and things are bubbling over,
and we're starting to put our head above the parapet
or above the surface of consciousness water as such, and
seeing what's out there in an up periscope sort of.
Speaker 3: Thing, you know.
Speaker 2: So, so with all these lifetimes, I mean, do you
give kind of any indication of how many lifetimes one
has to have before they kind of ascended into a
new level.
Speaker 5: Well, with life with past lives, I think when we're here,
we remember the times we've been on Earth much easier
because I believe that we have other lives in other realities,
in other worlds as well. It just happens that while
we're here we seem to remember the other lives that
we've lived because I have memories, but they're like slap shots.
There's short scenes of being in a in a war,
drowning off a ship, and being in the castle, and
those sort of things. I have them because they feel
like really personal, the visceral, so it's more than just
a whimsical imagination. It's something real. It feels vivid. That's why,
maybe why I don't fear water, but I have a
dislike disliking to water. But I think that's where again
with proof that we have signs on our bodies as well,
there where things have happened in our past. People carry
through past injuries, don't they It's been recording and they
have a memory of being shot, and there's a wound
sight and you know, these these things seem to show
proof that it's possible that we do live other lives.
And I'm a believer. I do think we do. I
think lot one life isn't enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you earlie?
Speaker 4: Is it something I've wondered about? This is in the
spiritual community, when when people have bad lives so to speak,
or kind of depressing lives that Philip was talking about,
we're often told, oh, it's to learn lessons, it's to
learn lessons. But what I would say is, well, what
are the lessons to learn? Okay, it's a crap life.
Where where did it go beyond that? Okay? I've learned
the lesson it's a crap life. I don't need, you know,
an entire life to realize that, you know, living in
a bush shelter, you know, in the cold and damp
is a crappy life. Where does it go beyond the lessons?
Speaker 3: Well, I think on the eternal part. We are talking
about us being immortal, and I believe that what happens
is that it is incidental when we pass over, although
it means everything to us here now and we suffer
in silence most of the time. We wrestle with so
much that it seems to be a problem or issue
here on the planet. And when we release, that is
the true liberation, That is the feeling of that complete
and total eternity, because over there is more real. I
can assure you that.
Speaker 2: I remember reading in the Seth books, and you've got
some of these Seth books as well. Philip Seth speaks
and he talks about his past lives. So Seth was
this kind of spirit guide of Jane Roberts, the writer,
and she used to channel him on a weekly basis,
and he would dictate books for those that didn't know.
But he talked about his past lives and now he
was kind of an advanced guy, I suppose. But he
said that in one of his lives he was a pope,
a minor pope in the eighth century or something, unlisted
because they weren't very good at keeping records back then.
And he said he fathered two illegitimate children. And he said,
even in that memory, said, how can I be a pope?
You know, why does God favor me as a pope?
And here I am being such a naughty man sort
of thing, you know. And the other one he said
that in another life he said he was a mother
of like ten kids or something, and they had no home.
He said they used to sleep rough in doorways, and
he said it was always an amazing thing that when
they woke up in the morning after sleeping rough, that
none of them had died in the night, you know,
that they'd all still be in life the next day.
Speaker 3: And so that was a real rough, hard, tough life.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He went from a high pope down to this woman
who had eight kids or ten kids, living a real
rough life.
Speaker 3: So I think it's it's which way the needle's going
to swing.
Speaker 2: You have too much of this, then you've got to
go come back to some of that, and you've got
to strike a balance. I suppose you had to know
the rough from the smooth, and eventually, you know, the
idea is that you'd descend onto something like Seth became
I suppose this super high spirit guide or whatever, and
even beyond that, he goes on to something else, I suppose.
But wherever we go beyond that, it is the ultimate
destination that we don't really know.
Speaker 3: I suppose. Well, I think a lot of things have
been altered on this world. Think it wasn't meant to
go the way it was meant to. I think we,
as the human going into the process of our open
spiritual evolution, it's been hijacked. It's been you know, trampled down,
and you know, and of course this is why we've
got so many problems on this planet at the moment
on a physical material level. And this is why I
think maybe a lot of the journeys that we tend
to decide to go into are not quite how we
always planned out. I'm the majority of them, I think,
I do believe they do, but not all of them.
I don't.
Speaker 4: Bilin. I think you're absolutely right, and I think you've
I've come to the conclusion we're at war. I think
the operative word is hijacked. But the question is what
has been what has hijacked it? And here's here's the
real kind of crutch, the crux of it. Is it
a case that some demonic entity or dark entity has
come along on its own and hijacked us? Or did
we manifest and create it? I don't know. Is there's
something kind of like dodgy going on with the human
psyche or whatever created us, created like a dark side
within this. Did we then create dark societies, secret societies
and then try and call forth demonic forces? And whatever
demonic forces were in the universe decided, oh okay, they're
calling us now we've now got karmic permission to go
and link up with the humans down there. What do
you think going on?
Speaker 5: You're on a point there, Andy, and it's big, because
I think you're right. This world is something that we manifest.
And it's either are we manifesting everything or nothing. I
think it's even one or the other, either singularly or collectively.
And I've heard and seen a lot of information coming
through that's saying that even with demons, we manifest them
is within our realm of believability. Everything within this world
has come FORLL through our minds, hasn't it. Everything that
we see, feel, touch has come from us. Yeah, so
that's that's and it's a hard thing to swallow. Like
you said, why do we have to have these nasty experiences,
not just us, but seeing them around the world. We
can't we can see them. We have to disassociate to
a degree recognize it. And again for what I've seen,
and it's hard to take on. I don't mean to
seem flippering, because this is a big topic that you
can't mention in five minutes. Is that when you do
have something happen, it's only negative or positive upon how
you see and react to it. And I know, and
I know that sounds hard. If you know that you're
you're in real big trouble, you're not going to say
that this is a good thing, this is this is positive.
But in a way, that's the way we probably have
to go about this is to make every every event
looks negative, but make a positive see it as something
as something we can grow from, learn from, change, you know, adapt,
become better. And it's it's a trick. It's hard, you know,
And I don't mean to sound like it's an easy thing.
When you see water on countries and children dying. This
is a This is a sore topic, a sensitive one.
But if we're talking about this in a spiritual way
and manifesting, we have to look at it maybe in
that respect, but within our own world. Because we can't
change the world. We're not to only ourselves. We have
to represent what we want the world to be. So
this is what we have to do, is to have
things that come along. That's negative. But okay, I could
take this as negative. I could be the victim. I
could say this is going to limit me, or I
can either this is a push, it's for me to
change my path, this is for me to look elsewhere,
or you see what I'm saying. So it's purely a mindset.
But there is more to explain on this topic.
Speaker 3: And also yeah, and I also I'll just have to
say here people say I want proof of the supernatural.
I want proof every time you bring something to the table,
it eludes our sense of reality. Look, we are going
through an individual experience. We incarnate through the wound to
our mother, and then we have that one single, unique
experience to you, and of course you then see the
world and shape it how you view it, how you
believe it. This is to say, within you apology. The
big question about why you set have these certain areas
is nets these portals, these areas of high strangeness. And
we've argued, well, maybe it's you. You've activated it, you're
bringing that to you and it is shaping within the
way that you view that or how that's been programmed
within your mindset. So we're looking at things on a
very unique individual level, whereas most people are trying to
force it into the same box that everyone is having
the same thing. It's not. Life is unique and universal,
but also to you that you are going through this
journey on your own. We have people with us, we
have souls with us, but at the end of the day,
you're translating it the way that you're viewing it. It's
lovely when you get other souls. Like when Chris came
in into my life and it started to you know,
show we shared all of our information and the way
we saw things, how we see things together, like you
know you Nil and Andy. We see things on that
same level and other people won't. So that reality is
their reality, and this is our reality, and this is
why we believe that people saying about this essential and
it may not happen quite that way, but certainly with
the vibrational energy systems that you know, fluctuating from negative
to positive, they have that choice. But we are evolving,
we're lifting upwards, if you see what I mean.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, Basha was talking about that as well. Are
you aware of kind of Bashah and dale Anka. So
his perspective is that each individual person, if you like,
is having infinite versions of themselves playing out in infinite realities.
So somewhere along the lines, there'll be a version of
me that's not in clown world, that isn't a wonderful
loving it's brilliant, wonderful and fantastic. But he also says
something that's really also really kind of screwed with your mind.
He says, there's only one person in the room, and
when you think of that, it's just it's just it
melts your mind. And what he means by that is
there's only one soul that has fragmented itself infinite amount
of times, so all of us really are I'm talking
to myself when I'm talking to you and you're talking
to yourselves when you're talking to me that there is
only just me pressure but it's me from every infinite perspectives.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the pastimes. So yeah, you're also talking in
the life that you're going to live again. You're talking
to yourself, your own self. Yeah, I mean it's amazing,
but it was good to remember that what we see
in our world is what you're wired to expect to see.
Is your brain they know that. They know that if
if something's outside of your expectation and reality, you won't
see it, even if it's in your face. Almost it's
like we have a bad filtering system. It works on overdrive.
Is our experiences help to develop and change our consciousness
to see more where before we wouldn't. So that's why
it experiences are a paramount that it helps us to
see more, to develop more and change the reality that
we're in.
Speaker 4: And going on from that. This is this is where
it gets really quite bizarre. I watched them, so there's
quite a few podcasts that I watch with other people
as well, And there was one guy who funnily enough
mentioned the kin Sellers. He's aware of you and he
met you and Ronnie at a conference somewhere with other eupologists,
And what he was saying is that he was calling
the if we like to call it the woo woo,
the strange, the paranormal, he was calling it the phenomena.
And he's basically saying that this force, this phenomena manifests
itself almost according to what we're expecting to see and
believe in. So, in other words, if you were to
if you were a ghost hunt and you went to
a haunted location, this phenomena would kind of like show
itself as a ghost or a spirit. And if you
were to go to like a field and you're a
UFO watching, then this phenomena would kind of represents itself
as a UFO or even if you're lucky. But the
weird thing is he was basically saying, this is all connected,
and it's not disparate, kind of like separate factions. It's
actually all the same thing manifesting itself almost like code
running in a program, according to what the believer and
the seer almost wants to see. So even to the extent,
I'm kind of like expanding from what he said, but
for instance, if somebody was really into kind of bigfoot
or really into vampires or wear wolves. Yeah, at some
point in their lives they might start seeing an actual
werewolf or bigfoot or vampire. But it's actually, if you
think about it like a if you think about the
universe is like a matrix full of code. And even
the oracle in the in the Matrix talked about this.
You know, everything that you see around us is uh
kind of code. And when you get programs, hacking programs,
hacking programs, it basically wear wolves and vampires and goes
part of the same thing. And it's and it's it's
it's Is it that there's a viewer viewing something that's
that out there that already exists or is the viewer
bringing to the table their own belief system and what
they expect to see, and the universe mirrors it back
at you. Yes, form that you're expecting to see.
Speaker 3: Who is the pappeteer? And at the end of the day,
the question is we've been asking about cryptids with aliens,
you know, the human that seems to be so far
removed from all other elements of the paranormal, and where
are they all? We've argued this before. We're all hanging
out and of course they all seem to adopt the
same process of communication through telepathy, and we as a
human are you know, I suppose I would say distinctive nature,
but we harbor owing thoughts. We don't know what the
other person's thinking or feeling. So I agree with you.
Is there an ultimate force rather like Stephen King's it
I have thought about that projects itself into the mindsel
of the person that's fears. If you fear things, you're
going to draw that fear towards you. So it's it's interesting.
I think we have to be very open to all
forms of speculation.
Speaker 4: Okay, so if we were, if we were to take
the assumption maybe that these phenomenon that were going on
were separate, let's imagine that they're separate. You've probably found,
Philip that people who delve into things like UFOs and aliens,
if they go down that path and do actually start
seeing things, they then almost start seeing kind of poltergeist
things and spirit apparitions from quote the dead as well,
and vice versa. So people who start off with kind
of ghost hunts and spirits and apparitions and that kind
of thing sometimes very often end up seeing UFOs and
aliens and kind of let's just call it kind of
cryptid or esoteric beings, whether you want to call them demons, angel,
spirit guards whatever as well. It's it's almost like when
people open a portal, let's just call it a portal
for the power normal and some kind of phenomena to happen.
Other factions kind of ram their crowbar in and say
we want to be to the action. Have you noticed that?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And of course many long years ago, when
I was getting a little bit heavy with the UFO subject,
when I pulled away from it, it was like a
weighted lift for my shoulders. It literally as if I
could breathe again for a short while. But of course
I was pulled back into it like a moth to
a flame. So I do believe that, you know, I
did consider first of all, there was a convergence within
timelines whether or not the viewing of UFO that came
into our matrix would open these or allow these other
dimensions to seep through into our reality as like some
kind of residue. That was my first thought, But now
thinking about it, it is apparent. But the individual is
the receptor that what you start to believe in you
will shake that into your reality. It will become prominent
within your realm. If you leave it, it will dissipitate.
And that is very much true. Like a magician, and
we've got to understand that the mind is the omnipresent
power connection to all that is. So you know, we
are facilitating these interests into our consciousness. We can close
one air and open another one. And this is interesting.
I think I call it the eternal time corridor, where
we're out of our our consciousness to fix with anything
that we want to bring in or separate. The thing
is is to say with manifestation programs, if you look
at them, you can bring things into your life through manifestation,
and you have to have a very positive framework when
you're doing it, believing it and existing in it as
though you have it already. But what I found was
that when I was younger, a lot younger, when I
was about thirty odds, I'd be as happy as a
clam and walking down the high street going to work,
thinguring it's going to be a fantastic day. I'm just
so positive. And I found that then all the negativity
that you could put on the table was then presented
into my day and at the end I was like,
do know what, forget this, I'm leaving it. I'm just
going to be normal within my thinking. And it was like, oh, yes,
there we are. So I wonder whether or not there's
some irony with this intelligence that knows that all there
are certain people that's lifting themselves out of that normal,
conditioned program conscious awareness and we need we need to
go and check them out. So this may answer some
extraordinary questions about this force, this onmini present energy that
is interested in those of us who are operating outside
the normal you know, our normal conscious uh centralized programming,
the grays for instance. I have mentioned this in some
work that then are sent in and go and check
you out, like why are you? Why are you different?
What what is different about you? And this. Of course
we're not going to go down that road because that
opens up the whole can of other areas that you know,
you'll just end up getting lost. So we try to
centralize our main theme with this book as the eternal
Avatar and looking at your inherent greatness and how to
separate away from the huge influx of negativity and the
centralized programming. The interesting is what we're looking into now
is why and what is doing this? What is it
that's behind the aller of this, you know, not just
the puppets that are given all the power and the
money and the gongs and only here a pretty short
period of time. What is behind this? What is their intentions?
And of course this is why, just to finish off here,
this is why I believe that they, the system has
deliberately thwarted any attempts to find out the true age
of the Homo sapien and the model of the human
and why that they've covered all of our past, the origins,
our actual origins of where we really come from. I
think that might answer some extraor you know question, sorry,
that may tell us a lot more about what we
really represent as the human, which is a magnificent and
connected to the Godhead.
Speaker 4: And the possible scary answer to that is, I mean
you've probably seen the Bourne identity and kind of all
the Born movies, and right at the very very very end,
and Jason Bourne is asking why is this happening? Who
did this? You know, who put me on this program?
Why am I here? And what it comes down to
is he did so in the paranormal sense, who's the puppeteer,
who's creating all this clown world, this insanity, this chor
of destructure in this manic just stupid and woke lunacy
that's going on. Is it us? Are we creating for
ourselves almost like an opposite version of what the universe
should be, in order to show us, in order to
show us how not to do things, to therefore create
for ourselves what we do want in our life.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think Chris, No, you're right, and yeah,
you touched on it.
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah.
Speaker 5: In order to know what we want, we need to
know what we don't want. And usually that's what happens
in life, is we get things we don't want. That
helps us to decide what we do, and then we
take that path towards it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. True, Yeah, And we're also carry on creating. We're
creating memories as well. I think it's interesting to consider
the fact that in this life we're never in the moment,
We're never in the future or the past because we
never reach it. We are generating memories, and one wonders
whether or not those memories are being used as a
platform for other experiences beyond this dimension of awareness. It's
rather like someone making a film and then you know
you're seeing the whole production, all of the problems or
the arguments or the difficulties, and then you're in it.
You're watching the film as it just flows through nicely.
So Christ and I have considered also that the wonderfulful
mosaic tapestry of this creation of life is something that
we are generating. We're creating for not just our souls
for when we pass over, but for other intelligence. There's
other souls to experience as well, because if you have nothing,
then there is there is literally nothing. So are we
creating a tapestry, a film, a new world beyond this one?
That this is just basically where we're directing, we're producing,
we're writing, and then we can actually go in it
when we leave here, there's another possibility to consider.
Speaker 4: Exactly that is is kind of like the I think
Shakespeare said, it's like the whole world is a play,
but we're everything. We're we're the director, producer, the actors,
and we're the audience. Philip, do you believe that there
are some there are some films that really put your
heckels up when you when you view them, Like the matrix.
For me, I was just kind of like, oh my god.
Another one was the adjustment Bureau. Do you think do
you think there is some kind of adjustment bureau for
when people like me and you and Chris and Neil
start creating little shows like this that we're flagged up
somewhere and as you say, the little grays come along
and they kind of probe and seeing what we're about.
Is there some other kind of like intelligence force or
some force out there that's if we get a little
bit too close to the truth, wants to kind of
come in and veer us a little bit away more
back into the clown world or the sheep world.
Speaker 5: Chris, I think there is technology where if you are
tapping onto things that are waking people up, you might
have technological problems like it problems. I think that's possible
where they can access things outside away from you and
you think, oh, this is just a n actual problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: I think there are ways and means to change people,
misdirect them into stopping them. But I've seen the Bureau
that that film, and it is a good one because
it does make you think, hmmm.
Speaker 4: It's ever got the hat Man hasn't it They go
through the portals with their hats exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so I was.
Speaker 4: Going to say, Cryst or Philip, either of you, have
you had instances where you thought this is so crazy.
It's almost like the Truman Show, almost like it's set up.
Speaker 5: There are moments where that are bizarre and you think
you have to look around and think, what was that?
Is am I on tested on my show?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: There is? There are moments in my life I do.
I do think and recall a few of those, and yeah,
I think these are questions about our reality, isn't it?
And are we being tested?
Speaker 3: And is this real?
Speaker 5: This is It's so hard to answer that one. It's
who is in control of it? I'll be monestor. I
think that's where silence, free speech is being pushed. That
is that that is their wake on the active scale
and the global scale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was definitely cool Philip first of all. Yeah.
And was the the view the viewing of the UFOs
the last in the ninth of April twenty sixteen. There
they were like you know, the Summoning of the uf
and the Ape of June nineteen ninety eight venditioned the
craft the object over our grandmother and then of course
the abduction. So yes, sure, I've stood back and I thought, well,
this is incredible because there it is. The system is
telling you it doesn't exist. Either I'm lying or the
system's lying, and it's like it did feel like the
Truman Show when you're touched by the singularity and you're
it's there in full view of you, not just seeing
people after they've died, and you're thinking yourself, will I
must be going start where they've been mad? But thankfully
we're grounded and you know, and very to the point.
So yes, and answer to your question, Andy, it did
feel a little bit that the Human Show, like wow,
what is going on? And I think this is the
the the actual whole thing that is pulls you in
because you want to find the truth. Once you're touched
by it, you can't let go. You've got to find that.
You've got to go in deeper and deeper, light down
the rabbit hole, so to speak.
Speaker 2: What we'll say about the you going back up a
few moments ago, you talked about trying to think positively,
Philip when you're going down the street on the way
to work, thinking right, I'm going to attract all the
good things. To me, it so reminded me of I
don't know when it was done, that it was an
experiment done on the power of prayer, and it was
done by I think it was back to actually buy
a Christian organization that initiated this because they wanted to
actually see does the power of Christian prayer work in healing.
Speaker 3: And they did it at this Christian.
Speaker 2: Kind of finance hospital I think in America, and they
took three different sets of people groups and they said, okay,
to one group, we're going to pray for you in
the name of Jesus. And then the next group they said,
we're not going to pray for you at all, and
they were told about in the next group, they were
just not going to be told anything.
Speaker 3: They weren't even be prayed for.
Speaker 2: They were just going to be left to see if
they would heal or whatever. And the ones that knew
they were being prayed for by the Christian doctors or
nuns or whoever was doing the prayer work, they were
the ones that got illa and they took ages to
recover from their operations. And the ones that weren't prayed
for at all, who knew nothing about it. Were the
ones that recovered really well and got at a hospital quicker,
which has a bit of an irony. So the ones
that expecting good results from the power prayer actually suffered
the worst, which.
Speaker 3: Is kind of an irony.
Speaker 4: What do you think.
Speaker 3: It's the mind. It's that it's the mind. The power
of the mind is the I'm in a present force
of everything, and belief structures are reality. That is what's happening,
you know, So I believe that.
Speaker 4: You're finding the ones that were prayed for did worse.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, Chris, you was going to say something.
Speaker 5: Well, you don't know collectively how they were perceiving or
receiving that healing. Are they people that are open minded
to healing or that they just think healing is rubbish?
So they negatively thought that they wasn't going to make
a difference, and they thought negatively about it. So yeah,
it's hard to say they engage what the underlying issues
were with that one, but it is a mindset. It
definitely is. Because there was a story about two boats
landing on the shore from a shipwreck. One had a
captain that was really positive, one negative, and all the
souls on one ship were nearly close to death because
there was no hope for him, but the positive one
they all got helping themselves onto the beach. And it's
just purely mindset and on optimism and hope.
Speaker 3: And this is why the system is so intent to
disabling us, to stop us from understanding our greatness, because
they burned or drowned them because they were using their
minds outside the box. It was a testament from the
system to say do what you dare do that. So
we are very powerful as eternal avatars. We are absolutely
totally we are creators. But the system wants to push
us down and say no. But the question is, what
is the system or those that's really operated mind the seams,
what is it they get from us. They obviously need
a human for something, and there are many suggestions towards that,
but we are highlighting the ways of breaking away from that,
of being positive, of understanding your brilliance and your creative
power as a co creator to the one. So you know,
this book also gives people hope, and you know, we
also explore those questions that we're all looking for. Doesn't
mean to say we've got the answers they are after
all theories, but there isn't better than nothing.
Speaker 4: Neil just quickly there's a counter actually to whatever study.
That was one of them's anecdote, and one of them
recorded the re I think he might have been on
strange but true. There was a young lad who basically
had cancer of some kind, and basically he kept doing
a daily meditation of imagining space invaders and imagined that
he was the spaceship and kind of like going at
the top, kind of like shooting up bullets, and that
the aliens at the top represented the cancer. And he
kept doing this visualization and as you know with space invaders,
like more the bullets go up, the more kind of
like the aliens and the creatures disappear until there's nothing there.
He kept doing that meditation and eventually he said that
there's no more aliens there, and he went into the
doctors and the cancer has disappeared. So that was kind
of yeah, So I think that might have been non
strange but true, but it's certainly documented. And then anecdotally,
my mum goes to church. He's a Christian in the
local area. The vicar, this is quite a few years ago.
The vicar was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and I
think he was given like a month to live, six
months to live whatever, it was not long. The whole
congregation prayed for him and prayed for him and prayed
for him. I think he survived about ten to fifteen
years afterwards. And I don't I believe that the cancer
actually disappeared or kind of went into a mission. And
then however he passed was kind of like natural courses
after that. I don't think it was the cancer that
took him. But the fact of the matter is lots
of people prayed for him and he way outlived the
prognosis of how long you supposed So that I know
it's anecdotal books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I mean again, I've got anecdotal stories
where it goes back again the other way because I
used to go to these Christian groups, not that I
had to point out that I wanted to become a Christian,
but I just loved to go there for the debates.
And when I lived in the Bedford area, I went
to this King's Church place and they did a kind
of Christian course or something, and of course I knew
my Bible abit even though I wasn't a Christian and
I used to challenge him on stuff like that. It
was almost like a kind of theological spa in with people.
I mean, I was actually asked to leave one group
because I was converting people against Christianity with my arguments,
which I consider that a badge of honor, but.
Speaker 4: Was invited to just quickly. I was invited to a
student union Christian student union, funnily enough, at a local
hospital because my friend was working as a pharmacist. And
he brought up, it's not for me to go along
and kind of like try and convert people, but if
somebody asked the question, I will try and answer it.
And he said, does anyone want to answer? Ask any questions?
And I think about the Bible. My question was if
incest is a sin, which I highly would not recommend incest,
But if incest is a sin, where did we come from?
Because if Adam and Eve were the first humans and
they had sons and daughters, the only way the human
race could have expanded is if those sons and daughters
pro created. They didn't like that question, and it kind
of moved on from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does get troublesome done, it's what was the
question I asked, Oh, yeah, No, they were saying about
someone that they prayed for, and they said about this
child that was dying from the local church. And like
you say, the whole longification prayed for him, like two
hundred people pray for this child, and he died, unfortunately,
and so they came to the conclusion that God had
called him home. Now, maybe that was the case, God
had called him home, but it kind of went you know,
it's like, well, either you pray and you get better,
or you pray and you don't get better. And I
know people have had cancers and tumors and things like that,
no one prayed for them, but they still lived for
maybe another five or six years after their diagnosis. So
it seems to me that prayer could either work or
it doesn't or I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Depends whether or not it's short time. It depends, yeah,
whether or not. You know, we're all going to go out,
all of us are going to die. That is the
truth of the matter. And you know who knows. I mean,
we can't state categorically why these things happen, but we
do know there is another side. There are alternative dimensions
of reality beyond this physical realm so you can know.
You know, people will bring up all sorts of assumptions
about why this happened, to why this happened the end
of the day it happened. But the truth of the
matters is that there is so much more beyond the
material realm. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 4: Just add to that, Neil, it almost brings up the
question is there any point in praying, like, for instance,
whose priority is more our priority in wanting the person
to live or God priority wanting them back. So if
we're praying for them to live and God says, well,
actually no, I'm going to take them back, well, then
God takes priority, right, So what's the point of praying
because it's always going to be about what God wants?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the trouble is with viewing God in human
terms that God has a want or need. Surely he shouldn't,
you know, that's the way with you And unfortunately we
still kind of still kind of colored a little bit
by that Christian lens of ideas. Even if we're not Christians,
we're still thinking in a lot of those terms without
realizing it.
Speaker 3: That's a problem.
Speaker 4: I think. I think the one book that kind of
shook that quite a lot, and I agree. I agree
with probably ninety nine percent of it, maybe not all
of it. But Conversations with God by Neil Donald, Oh yeah,
really really takes that kind of like the concept of
the Christian you know, Judeo Christian God and shakes it
around and says, actually, maybe it's not quite that. And
the crux of it is is basically God is not
so much a he or a she, you know, a
man on the phone with a big white beard. It's
more of a consciousness. It's everything that energy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it should be always had by everyone, shouldn't it.
Everyone should have access to that. If you think that
God's outside of you, then your disconnected from your divinity,
haven't you? Because if you think God is separate and
he's one of the answers and you're reaching out to him,
then then what we're you? You're just some satellite spirit
disconnected roaming around this earthly plane. Now, when we say
free will, we say we have free will or we don't,
you know, if we choose to come here, are we
saying that God decides then when he just wants us gone,
or are we on our spiritual side saying now I've
had enough of this and then we go. I think
maybe we asked saying to ourselves when we go. And
also I think we have a partnership in agreement where
people can influence And here I am a big believe
in healing, so I mean, yes, oh yes, I do
think we have. But we there's there's a thing with
healing about there's a grace, There's there's a size of it.
Speaker 3: This's of grace.
Speaker 5: Where do you want to heal someone? You have to
ask them would you accept healing? I think you have
to ask them. You can you can give them, uh,
absent healing if you wanted to to make them feel better,
let their passing be of less pain, that sort of thing.
And yeah, I think that's the key is to you know,
you can influence them to a point, but it's still
their priority that their permissions.
Speaker 3: Or magnificently a wellness, thank you. But it's like the
thing about doing healing on animals.
Speaker 2: You know, animals have no concept of God, prayers, grace
or anything. And yet you could get a spiritual healer
that appears to you know, make a dog or a
cat better from whatever ailment that they've got.
Speaker 5: And healing is healing is a frequency, isn't it. You're yeah,
giving healing, Yeah, you are giving the energy. But when
you're happy in your well you have a frequency of
of wellness. Whereas someone's ill, there's broken, there's energy dismantled,
so it's separated, it's not it's not right. And I
think the healer is just literally aligning that that physical
being into a spiritual wellness frequency of of healthiness. I
think you're just playing with the energy to frequency. I
don't think you're you're doing the healing. You're just bringing
that frequency up for them to match it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's all still leadingship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do, yeah exactly that. I think. Also
mindset is really really important. And also in the olden
days for healing, certainly kind of Victorian Earlieredwardian days, they
used to have solariums to get people better, so they'd
have like covered glass areas where they'd have patients in
beds to get in vitamin D and light. Apparently they
used to heal quicker. And also they've experimented and this
is quite a kind of mainstream thing now they've got
kind of what do they call it comfort animals or
comfort dogs where they've got a dog that comes into
kind of convalescent homes or hospitals and you conpet the
dog and strokes. And at first they thought, oh, this
is a hygiene issue. We can't have dogs and cats
and buddy rabbits in hospitals and patients. But they've actually
found that the patients get better quicker, because what do
you do when you see a big, sloppy dog giving
this You feel good? And I think, actually I'm right
in saying that they've even experimented with either bringing comedians
or having comedy channels on that also boosts the patient
recovery time because in hospital, how do you feel? You feel?
Oh god, everything smells of and to see it again,
it's kind of oh, it's got a real negad advantage.
But if you bring in comedy, you bring in humor,
you bring in animals, you're feeling uplifted and you're feeling wow.
And that's that apparently does.
Speaker 5: Because what they're doing is they're making you forget Yourself's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's just remind me of the irony
once I had to take someone to A and E
some years.
Speaker 3: Ago, and we're all waiting in the A and E.
Speaker 2: And they got a TV screen there for the public
to watch it whilst they're going to get called by
a nurse or a doctor or something on what was
playing on the TV Casualty, So everyone's sort of seeing
everyone's going in ambulances on the program. It's just reinforceing
the negative thing about it.
Speaker 3: Crazy. Anyway, I think we're have to draw this meeting
to a close. General.
Speaker 2: It's been a very fascinating chat. So after the Eternal Avatar,
is there any other plans to come through with another
book at some point?
Speaker 3: Yes, I dare say. I mean I did to kind
of like suggest Chris about the book and it came out.
I am working on two projects at the moment, so
you know, books take a while, as you know Neil
to write and of course you know, so yes, who
knows great and Chris, what plans do you have to do?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean writing the book with Philip was such a
privilege and the joy and wasn't expected. But that now
that's past. I think I'm going to continue looking forward
some between jobs. So I'm working on my art still
because I like to do my own art and get
commissioned for that and so that's good. Yeah, so we'll
see what happens. All excited.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great.
Speaker 2: And I haven't really mentioned much of Chris's art, but
Chris is also a fantastic artwork. And so Chris, if
people want to see your lot, you have your website,
don't you.
Speaker 5: I do. It's Chris Mays dot UK.
Speaker 3: That's all. It is important. And you paint.
Speaker 2: I've seen some of the pictures you paint clicks with
it's anything wildlife and all sorts of underwater scenes of
turtles and things like that.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, airbrushing, watercolors, oils, crylics, charcoal, anything. Yeah, just
all topics, landscape, you know, portraits, any anything and it's
and it's they married together. So I use whenever I
came whatever medium suits the subject.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. That's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to have a bunch of artists on
here all chain about not really we're not talking much
about No, we're not. And Philip, so you don't do
twin souls anymore. But you've got any other things coming
up on the TV production side. I know that we've
seen a few Amazon productions and things like that. Is
there any kind of other filming events you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm doing another filming event in London fairly soon
and then I've got a few more talks to do,
lectures to do on UFOs, so yes, so we're ending
the year on a nice little from there. So it's
been a busy year, but I'm very grateful for everything
that comes my way. So yeah, oh good.
Speaker 2: And can we just also mention the award that you
got because I'm about that in the summer, But do
you want to tell us everybody about the award that
you received. It's fantastic news.
Speaker 3: Yes. Well, I had got the the London and Southeast
Prestige Award and it came after the Blue and it
was a shock and so I was very honored to
receive that for my clairvoyants. They put it down for
my clever voints. They were very rigorous the judges in
their analysis, and there were many other people in different categories,
but I was very honored. So that's a third duel
to the crown, so to speak. So I got one
before in two thousand and eight in Portsmouth for mu Mediumship,
and then I had the UFO Award for Dedication to
the Truth so I'm very honored. But you know, at
the end of the day, it's nice, but we're all
important and we each have our journey, so I'm very grateful. Well,
we pray that it continues that if it works.
Speaker 4: A suggestion for your next book, Phi call it circumventing
clown World.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it always makes me laugh, play on world.
Speaker 2: So your website, Philip, for those that want to check
you out a little bit further, what's that again?
Speaker 3: Please yes to this www dot the can seller twins
dot com and www dot philipin Sella dot com.
Speaker 2: Excellent and Andy, you've got tuned in events dot co
dot uk.
Speaker 4: Yes, tuning Events dot co dot uk. We're obviously doing
lots of kind of clearboanty type stuff on a smaller scale.
I'd love to work with Philip at some point in
the future. They'll be really quite install.
Speaker 2: You're kind of not that far away from each other,
in maybe an hour from each other, so you never know.
Speaker 4: Put it on Bedford. I wish I'm half a cheer.
So yeah, we're touching boarders.
Speaker 2: All right, lovely Well, thank you very much indeed for joinings, gentlemen,
and good luck with the eternal Avatar and any future projects.
So you've been listening to myself, Neil Ward, Andy Chaplin,
Chris Mays and Philipkinsella on Paranormal Peak show on the
Paranormal UK Radio Network. And have a great Yule, Christmas,
happy Holidays and wishing you all the best for twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3: Good Night
Speaker 7: To the po