WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:04.480 Golf Smarter number three hundred and fifty one, published on 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:06.559 October two, twenty twelve. 3 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:12.039 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.679 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:21.719 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.600 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.920 like this that are no longer available in any podcast 8 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:30.879 app In. 9 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.359 My time on the first tea and talking to people 10 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.079 on trying to promote this just on an individual basis, 11 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:38.640 guess where the most complaints have come from? 12 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.079 Women? Absolutely, Oh, you're kidding, as is this going to 13 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:43.240 be as like outrageous ladies? 14 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.039 I know, that's what I mean, that's the outrageous answer. 15 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:47.960 I mean. I've had them go up one side of 16 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.280 being down the other dress me down about wanting to 17 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.560 move the teas up so more women could enjoy the game. 18 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.280 And yet what's the big movement by the PGA of America. 19 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.759 The great untapped resource for more golfers is women. Okay, 20 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.719 let's have them play from the equivalent of seventy four 21 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.079 hundred yards. Guess what will happen. They'll be slow, They 22 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:09.159 won't have any fun and they'll quit. Literally annually for 23 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:12.200 thirty years, I've heard that the great influx of golfers 24 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.640 we're going to be women. It has never happened. One starts, 25 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.480 one quits. I mean, women aren't stupid, for heaven's sakes. 26 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.000 Maybe if we made the game a little more amenable 27 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:24.120 to them on course, maybe they'd stick around for a while. 28 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:27.159 What happens to clubs is the good women players don't 29 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:28.560 want to give up their advantage. 30 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.439 Former CEO of Adams Golf, Barney Adams, on d and forward. 31 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:45.760 This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 32 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.319 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 33 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.040 for your host, Fred Green. 34 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.640 Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Barney. 35 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:55.439 Well, thank you for having me on. 36 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.640 And thank you. We're doing Skype. You and I are 37 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.959 looking at each other, and you've just entered a whole 38 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:02.799 new world, haven't you. 39 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.280 Yes, I have. I'm doing. I'm very uncomfortable. This is 40 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:07.799 like leaving the country or something. 41 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.680 There for me. You are in a different part of 42 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.159 the country. You're actually in a different part of the 43 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:12.000 planet right now. 44 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.360 Yes, yes, I'm in that. I did a story one 45 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.199 time on the internet. I went viral and I had 46 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:19.639 to look it up to see what it meant. So 47 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.439 that's that's where I am. What was the story that 48 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.240 was the original ta at forward story? 49 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.639 Oh? Really? And it went viral, and you like, what 50 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:28.280 does that mean? 51 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.599 People kept asking you say, hey, your story went viral, 52 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:32.400 and I thought it was a disease. I didn't know 53 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.639 what it was. There was something wrong with it. 54 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.319 Well, welcome to Skype, thank you, and so now and 55 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.599 and to make you even more uncomfortable, we're looking at 56 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:44.159 one another. 57 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.479 Yes, I'm looking down. I'm not looking at you, So 58 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:50.080 it doesn't mean I'm looking at my shoes. Well, I 59 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.599 know it's a case with socks. 60 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.759 But do you know what, as you're looking at your socks, 61 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.000 I'm looking at the top of your head because you're 62 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.039 you're tilting your head right into the camera. 63 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.000 I have a Texas A and M sweatshirt on for 64 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:03.680 my grandson. 65 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:05.479 Oh is that where your grandson goes? 66 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:06.039 Yep? 67 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.039 Well I have a us C shirt. 68 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:08.319 On right now. 69 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.759 Okay, yeah, okay, that's the end of that conversation. Yes, 70 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.759 but let's talk about ta it forward among other things. 71 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.479 I mean, there's about one hundred things I wanted to 72 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.039 talk to you about, but I think that we should 73 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:20.240 start with ta at Forward. 74 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.280 Okay, what is it? 75 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.159 Let's start from scratch here. What is t at Forward? 76 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:27.840 It's very misunderstood. 77 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:31.560 Well, here's your soapbox, my friend. 78 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.039 Yep. The name implies that it's about moving people up 79 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.360 one or even two sets of t's, and that's not true. 80 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:44.960 Oh yes, and that's exactly what I thought it was. 81 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.800 Yeah, I know everybody does. And that was my kind 82 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.319 of my message to the PGA when we started all this. 83 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.639 This is a lot more complicated than just moving up 84 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.639 a set of teas. Because speaking as a as a golfer, 85 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:06.319 obviously there are some whole the whole thing. I got 86 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.039 to back up a step because I put it in perspective. Sure, 87 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:11.840 I had played around a golf I go out to 88 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:16.120 the California desert in the winter time, beautiful place, beautiful weather, 89 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.560 beautiful courses, et cetera, et cetera, and I had played 90 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:23.000 golf that particular day, and I was sitting home in 91 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.680 the evening basically whining to myself about what a lousy 92 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.560 time I had, And then I thought to myself, you know, 93 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.879 this is really dumb. You just played in a beautiful 94 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.720 golf course with nice guys, good weather, et cetera, and 95 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.879 you're sitting around complaining. You know there's something wrong with you. Well, 96 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:46.319 then I got looking into it deeper. You know why 97 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.040 was I complaining? Well, I didn't really have a good time. Well, 98 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.199 why didn't I have a good time? Et cetera, et cetera. 99 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.120 And basically, when I finished all of the analysis, and 100 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:57.279 when on the internet looked up I do know how 101 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:58.959 to do that. I went on the internet, looked up 102 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.040 data and so on and so worth. We had played 103 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.879 that day from sixty seven hundred yards. What I figured 104 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.360 out the difference between relative distances between tour players and 105 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.279 amateur players. That was equivalent to a tour player playing 106 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:21.160 from roughly eighty four eighty five hundred yards. Wow, exactly, wow, 107 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.000 And no tour player would do that. 108 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.160 That's dumb, No, I mean, the courses are being made 109 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.360 longer and longer and longer these days, but is that 110 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:30.560 to anybody's advantage? 111 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.759 Well, like I say, why why do why do I 112 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.680 my skills need to play from the equivalent of eighty 113 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:36.600 four hundred yards? 114 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.800 And what do you what your index about? So we 115 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:40.839 have a sense of your. 116 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:45.279 Well, it's skills, it's a say, it's rapidly escalating along 117 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.120 with my age. It's it's about ten now, I think, 118 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.480 and it's it's but all the all the indicators are 119 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:57.720 going up, so it's it's anyway. So as I got 120 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:04.360 into this DOMI that for whatever sets of reasons, amateur 121 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:09.560 golfers have gotten to a position where they're playing courses 122 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:13.160 that are much longer than the tour would play. Now, 123 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.360 golf lost one point one million people last year. That's 124 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.439 a one between one to one and one four depending 125 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:23.839 on which data source you access. And the reasons given 126 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:32.680 were no fund too slow, not cost, no fun, too slow, 127 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.160 and I'll get the cost. Well, if you're playing from 128 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.639 eighty four hundred yards, guess what, it's going to be 129 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.040 slow and it's not going to be any fun, so 130 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.839 let's play. Then I got when I looked at the 131 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.680 tour data, the average iron hit into a power four 132 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:55.560 on tour is an eight iron. Now you ask your 133 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.399 friends how many of them average eight irons into the 134 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.199 power four and the courses they play, and if they're honest, 135 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.480 the answer is none, maybe one or two? Okay, maybe, 136 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:07.240 I mean you might hit one or two eight irons, 137 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.480 but you don't average eight irons. You're hitting hybrids or 138 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:16.879 hitting fairway woods, et cetera. So the whole idea behind 139 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:23.040 this was to promote courses being set up so that 140 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.959 the amateur players would hit second shots from the same 141 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.240 relative area to their games that the tour players do. Now, 142 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.399 to make it more specific, what I advocated was that 143 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.959 the PGA of America, in partnership with the USGA, come 144 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.000 up with a series of small markers. Figure something that's 145 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:49.000 no more than three inches in diameter, and you put 146 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.240 that in the fairway to one hundred and forty three yards, 147 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:56.959 which is a relative distance for the amateur compared to 148 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.399 the tour player. And you tell golfers, look, if you 149 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:02.240 want to play the same game the tour players do, 150 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:04.319 you tee it up to a point that get you 151 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.120 somewherees in the vicinity of that marker. It's that simple. 152 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:09.920 Some of you are going to be behind it, somebody 153 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:11.439 you're going to be in front of it. But guess what, 154 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.879 on tour, some guys are longer, some guys are shorter. 155 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.439 I don't care. Just play from that vicinity. For women, 156 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.959 it's one hundred and twelve. That's what tea at forward 157 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.160 is all about. It's not about moving to the front 158 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.160 tees because on some holes, if you move to the 159 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.480 front ties, you might be in a ninety yards because 160 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.679 it's already a shorter hole. Don Versely, on par fives, 161 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.759 for most of the par fives parameters, i'd actually move 162 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:42.080 the tees back because if you have a par five, 163 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.120 a big par five, say it's five seventy, all right, 164 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.120 the average ameter, let's figure their t shot at two twenty. 165 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.159 It's somewhere. It's between two ten and two thirty, depending 166 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.519 upon the speed of the fairways, et cetera, et cetera. 167 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.440 Now I understand, I'm an old club fitter that everybody 168 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.840 that plays golf hits at two fifty or sixty. I 169 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.960 understand that at the very length that's right. Unfortunately, that's 170 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.960 a fantasy. But it's a fantasy all golfers live with, okay. 171 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.279 But the truth of the matter is it's roughly two 172 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.159 ten to two thirty. So we picked two twenty as 173 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:16.200 an average just to pick a number, and then on 174 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.200 their second shot, because it's going to roll along the 175 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.080 ground if they hit it well, it's another let's say 176 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.840 two ten two hundred yards. So let's say we got 177 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.240 two twenty plus two hundred, that's four to twenty plus 178 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.799 four plus one hundred and forty is roughly five sixty. 179 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:31.759 So you can see where I easily get to five 180 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:36.559 sixty even five seventy for a par five. I really 181 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:41.200 dislike par fives that are roughly between excuse me, let's 182 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.639 say four eighty and five twenty, because for ninety nine 183 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.279 percent of the ambiturs, they're three shot holes you could hit. 184 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.440 You could hit virtually anything off the tee, could hit 185 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.639 an iron or a fairway wood, another ironer fairway wood 186 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.559 and still have fairly short iron into the green. So actually, 187 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.840 on my golf courses, well, the par fours would has 188 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:03.840 a rule, gets shorter, but they would be strategically shorter 189 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.720 because someone have dog legs and so on. The par 190 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:10.240 fives on the whole would get longer. The par threes 191 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.399 are kind of a toss up because it depends upon 192 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:14.879 how the green is laid out. If it's a Rodance 193 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.039 style green with a lot of bounce area in the 194 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.720 front and no water around or anything, could be longer. 195 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.720 If it's forest kerry could be shorter. But my point 196 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.120 is that the essence of the movement as I originally 197 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.720 construed it is not about moving to the frontiees. That's 198 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.759 an oversimplification. 199 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.480 So if I can interpret what you're saying and get 200 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.960 this straight, you're saying that the goal is to pretty 201 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.679 much make it so everyone's kind of try getting to 202 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:44.360 the point where they can hit their eight iron in 203 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:45.600 as their approach shot. 204 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.879 Roughly. I mean, let's listen, one picking a number. For 205 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.799 some people, that's a six iron. I understand that. Okay, 206 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:56.279 you're looking. 207 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.320 At a number, not an iron, so that's correct. 208 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.159 I'm just looking. I just want to What I'm trying 209 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.120 to do is say, look, if you went up to play, 210 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.440 if you will, let's all right. You can go up 211 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.399 and you get a chance to scrimmage with Golden State. 212 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.639 They're not going to move the baskets to twelve feet. No, 213 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:15.919 they're gonna let you shoot to ten foot basket, right, 214 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:17.639 That's all I want to. 215 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.000 Do, right right, But if you play with the Mavericks, 216 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.080 will they put it up to twelve feet? 217 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.159 Thank that I've been worked one out with him regularly. 218 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:28.120 I'm thinking I'm making a comeback. But we I mean, 219 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.879 think of the publicity value, I mean I'd be the 220 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:31.960 only guy in the NBA with an artificial need. Okay, 221 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.399 I mean that's worth a lot of money to that man. 222 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.559 Oh yeah, that's a marketing them right now. 223 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:40.080 Yeah sure, I'm sure the Cuban would love to discuss 224 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:40.480 that with you. 225 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:42.240 Right yeah. I mean it's a big deal. It's it's 226 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.279 a money maker, it's it's it's guaranteed. I just want 227 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:45.200 a piece of it, that's all. 228 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.600 Actually, Actually, we have a minor league baseball team here 229 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.440 in Marin County. This was their first year and in 230 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.799 the last week of the season. Do you remember Bill's 231 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:55.879 spaceman league? 232 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:56.679 Oh? Sure I do. 233 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.720 Yeah, Well Bill, he played for Boston in the expos. 234 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:04.120 He holds the record as the most starts for a 235 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.320 left hander in Red Sox history. Right pitched in the seventies. 236 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.200 He grew up in this county. He went to the same 237 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.759 high school my kids went to. He pitched a game. 238 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:16.840 They paid him to pitch a game at sixty five 239 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:17.559 years old. 240 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:18.720 Good for him. 241 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:23.360 He pitched a complete game, went one for three with 242 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:28.399 a sacrifice and an RBI at the plate, and got 243 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:29.519 a nine to five victory. 244 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.120 I think I remember thinking about him that he always 245 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.120 kept himself in great physical condition. 246 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.720 He was said, well, I'd say he's got a nice 247 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.480 beer belly popping through the bottom of that jersey of his. 248 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.759 But he does play. He still plays hardball. 249 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.279 He lives right with that arm, you know, because you'd 250 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:47.000 hurt yourself that. 251 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.159 It was hilarious. He was throwing junk up there. It 252 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.360 was so much fun to watch these these youngsters just 253 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.559 totally baffled by what he was throwing at him. 254 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.799 But Clemens is going to start for Houston. You know, 255 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.080 Amy Houston can't throw anyway fifty. 256 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.759 I mean, come on, that's not the kid. He's a 257 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.440 kid sixty five. This guy was pitching and it was 258 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:08.559 what nuts. And it was a bunch of old hippies 259 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:09.720 sitting in the stands. It was Hilo. 260 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.480 They're both throwing from ninety feet, aren't they? 261 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:12.120 Yes, they are. 262 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.320 They didn't move the mound back to one hundred and 263 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:14.879 twenty feet. 264 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:15.639 That's correct. 265 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:17.879 That's my whole argument about golf. 266 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.039 Yeah, I had this visual in my head that we 267 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.799 were going to put a hotel sign called the eight 268 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:28.519 Iron Inn. 269 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:32.720 Because you're in that business. 270 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.519 Yeah, one hundred and forty three yard approach. Okay, So 271 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.080 how do we do that? Where did then where do 272 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.039 we tee up from? 273 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.440 Well, we're I don't care where your tea up from. 274 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.399 I mean, come on, you guys are smart people. Figure 275 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:46.840 it out. I'm just going to show you where you. 276 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.200 Tea wherever you want your your initial tea shot. You 277 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:51.759 can go from wherever you want, as long as you're 278 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.759 at approximately one hundred and forty five yards to your. 279 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:56.559 You'll figure it out. You'll figure out what set of 280 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:57.360 tea's worked for it. 281 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.799 Well, it seems like especially on golf courses where they're 282 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.840 mostly people and if you have an artificial need, do 283 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:06.639 you walk a golf course or you take a cart? 284 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:08.519 Both the bens where I play. 285 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.360 Yeah, yeah, So if people are in golf carts, they're 286 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.000 never going to talk to each other. Then if they're 287 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.840 all teeing up from different spots the tea. 288 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:16.600 You're not gonna tea. But that's my point. You see, 289 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.559 you got them tee it up from different spots because 290 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:19.960 you're trying to get them all to one hundred and 291 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.120 forty three. That's one of the misconceptions. We tee them 292 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:25.879 up from the same spot and guess what some of 293 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:27.519 the guys are going to be longer and they're gonna 294 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:28.879 hit it to one hundred and twenty and some are 295 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:30.480 gonna be shorter. They're gonna hit it t one hundred 296 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:30.919 and sixty. 297 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.960 Then why is that different than having multiple take exactly? 298 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:40.200 Why if you're playing against me and we're playing for something, okay, okay, 299 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:43.519 I'll play for that, all right. We're gonna play for something, okay, 300 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.320 And I'm let's say, for the sake of argument, I'm 301 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.879 longer than you are, okay. And I got a six 302 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.200 iron into the green and you got a hybrid. Okay, 303 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.639 who's got the edge? You do? You bet your life. 304 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.120 Now we play from the t's that I want us 305 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.799 to play from. And I'm still longer than you are. 306 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.320 You've got a seven iron into the green, and I've 307 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.000 got a nine iron into the green. Who's got the edge? 308 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.559 You still do? But it's right. 309 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.720 But now, all of a sudden, and now you stick 310 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.320 seven iron up there fifteen feet, which you probably couldn't 311 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.279 do with a hybrid. And now I got to hit 312 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.759 my shot and it's for a couple of bucks, and 313 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.360 you're looking at me and say, here, good luck, Barnyard. 314 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.360 You know what you made me very nervous. I thought 315 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:25.519 you were going to tell me where to stick that 316 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:26.440 seven iron for a second. 317 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.519 Yeah, you see my point. Yeah, And that's that's one 318 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.559 of the misconceptions. It's we're going to have people tee 319 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.399 and off all over the place because everybody has to 320 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.679 get to exactly one forty three. Ain't gonna happen, right right, 321 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:37.440 ain't happen. 322 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.399 So why is that different than having the blue teas, 323 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:42.120 the white tea's, the black tea's, and the red teas. 324 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:44.200 I don't care what color they are. You can make 325 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:44.879 them polka dot. 326 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:47.559 Why is that different? Why does that make that a 327 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:48.679 different program? 328 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.080 Because we now understand where we have to drive the 329 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.399 golf ball to to play the same equivalent game as 330 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.399 the tour players. That's the big that's the that's the 331 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:57.440 mitigating factor. 332 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.519 That's different playing the same game is. 333 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.879 Okay, equivalent rank you are going to be as good 334 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:05.080 as they are, and you're not going to hit your 335 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.279 eight iron one sixty like. 336 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.879 They do, right, oh god. 337 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.919 But we're gonna have you hit your eight iron and 338 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.120 play from an equivalent distance because we're gonna make the 339 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.039 game faster and we're gonna make it more fun. And 340 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.320 what happens. When you start doing that, things enter the 341 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.799 equation that have been absent for a while, like cars 342 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.639 and an occasional birdie. You play faster. I mean, I 343 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.960 think one of the great travesties in golf was the 344 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:31.919 definition of the four hour round, because if four hours 345 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.000 is the average, then I guess four fifteen or four 346 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.240 to twenty is okay. And I can crawl most golf 347 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.399 courses with my bad knee in four twenty that's to 348 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.360 be that's ludicrous. But anyway, you'll speed up play and you'll, 349 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.279 as I said before, you'll have more fun and and 350 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.519 you should, and you will stem the tide of people 351 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:57.039 dropping out because it's an enjoyable experience and also enhance 352 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.279 the app opportunity for people to start playing game. You know, 353 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:05.000 let's let's say we're going to get eight new golfers 354 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.119 and we're gonna sum some lessons and you know, outfit 355 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.759 them with clubs and all of that kind of stuff. 356 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.400 And now we take it with a golf course and 357 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:19.039 tee it up from eight thousand yards. You know, it's 358 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.880 like driving people to a bad movie. You can go 359 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.119 in a limousine. You can give them popcorn, you can 360 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:27.680 do all kinds of things to make it a better deal. 361 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.319 But at the end of the day, it's still a 362 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.319 bad movie. Right, let's fix let's fix the movie. Right. 363 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.119 But the experience may have been a little better because 364 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.559 it cost them nothing maybe if you're being maybe, but it. 365 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:39.599 Took a long time. 366 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.680 See here's what I don't understand about this, Barnie. And 367 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.680 and maybe I'm missing something. And usually when I play 368 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.880 with people and we're trying to decide what tea boxes 369 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.799 we're playing from, they'll say, oh, well, let's see, this 370 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.200 is sixty six hundred yards, this is seven thousand yards, 371 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.640 this is sixty two hundred yards. Let's play from sixty six. 372 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.200 And I'm saying, why does that matter. Let's look at 373 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.799 the rating and the slope. I always to me that 374 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.079 is the the great equalizer. When I say, oh, but 375 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.359 you know, if you play from the front ties, it's 376 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.440 a one twenty two. The middle ties is a you know, 377 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.400 a slope of a one twenty eight, and then you 378 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.640 one thirty five. Well, I'm not good when I I 379 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.440 don't play as well from a slope of one thirty five, 380 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.079 and I score really well on a one twenty. So 381 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.599 I try to play one twenty eight to when you 382 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:38.799 know one around and there. Why you keep talking about yardage, 383 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:40.319 but you're not talking about rating and slope. 384 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:46.319 Who cares? Don't get me started rating and slope. You know, 385 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.640 I belong to a golf course that's seventy one hundred 386 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.960 yards from the back and sixty one hundred from the front. 387 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.759 I have the same handicap from four different sets of tees. 388 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:55.799 That's impossible. 389 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.200 Yeah, that's impossible. 390 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.519 Yeah, but it happens all the time. I get letters 391 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.000 all the time from people on that subject. I don't 392 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.759 I don't even go there. So you think the raising 393 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:08.559 I'm a very simple person. You had to teach me 394 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.519 how to make this phone call. You know, I have 395 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.720 very limited capabilities. I just want a little marker out 396 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.799 there that says, hit the ball around this area, and 397 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.359 you'd be playing from the same relative distance as the tour. 398 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:21.839 No more, no less. 399 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:23.440 It's all based on yardage. 400 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:25.599 It's all based on yardage. That's correct. 401 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.519