1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and fifty one, published on 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,559 October two, twenty twelve. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,679 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:21,719 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,600 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:29,920 like this that are no longer available in any podcast 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,879 app In. 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,359 Speaker 3: My time on the first tea and talking to people 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,079 on trying to promote this just on an individual basis, 11 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:38,640 guess where the most complaints have come from? 12 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,079 Speaker 1: Women? Absolutely, Oh, you're kidding, as is this going to 13 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:43,240 be as like outrageous ladies? 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,039 Speaker 3: I know, that's what I mean, that's the outrageous answer. 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,960 I mean. I've had them go up one side of 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,280 being down the other dress me down about wanting to 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,560 move the teas up so more women could enjoy the game. 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,280 And yet what's the big movement by the PGA of America. 19 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:59,759 The great untapped resource for more golfers is women. Okay, 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,719 let's have them play from the equivalent of seventy four 21 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:06,079 hundred yards. Guess what will happen. They'll be slow, They 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,159 won't have any fun and they'll quit. Literally annually for 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,200 thirty years, I've heard that the great influx of golfers 24 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:15,640 we're going to be women. It has never happened. One starts, 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,480 one quits. I mean, women aren't stupid, for heaven's sakes. 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Maybe if we made the game a little more amenable 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,120 to them on course, maybe they'd stick around for a while. 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,159 What happens to clubs is the good women players don't 29 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:28,560 want to give up their advantage. 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,439 Speaker 1: Former CEO of Adams Golf, Barney Adams, on d and forward. 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 32 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:49,319 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 33 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:51,040 for your host, Fred Green. 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Barney. 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,439 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me on. 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: And thank you. We're doing Skype. You and I are 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,959 looking at each other, and you've just entered a whole 38 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:02,799 new world, haven't you. 39 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I have. I'm doing. I'm very uncomfortable. This is 40 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:07,799 like leaving the country or something. 41 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: There for me. You are in a different part of 42 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:11,159 the country. You're actually in a different part of the 43 00:02:11,199 --> 00:02:12,000 planet right now. 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'm in that. I did a story one 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,199 time on the internet. I went viral and I had 46 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:19,639 to look it up to see what it meant. So 47 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,439 that's that's where I am. What was the story that 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,240 was the original ta at forward story? 49 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: Oh? Really? And it went viral, and you like, what 50 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,280 does that mean? 51 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,599 Speaker 3: People kept asking you say, hey, your story went viral, 52 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,400 and I thought it was a disease. I didn't know 53 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,639 what it was. There was something wrong with it. 54 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,319 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to Skype, thank you, and so now and 55 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:43,599 and to make you even more uncomfortable, we're looking at 56 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:44,159 one another. 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,479 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm looking down. I'm not looking at you, So 58 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:50,080 it doesn't mean I'm looking at my shoes. Well, I 59 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,599 know it's a case with socks. 60 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,759 Speaker 1: But do you know what, as you're looking at your socks, 61 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:57,000 I'm looking at the top of your head because you're 62 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:59,039 you're tilting your head right into the camera. 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: I have a Texas A and M sweatshirt on for 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,680 my grandson. 65 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,479 Speaker 1: Oh is that where your grandson goes? 66 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,039 Speaker 3: Yep? 67 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:08,039 Speaker 1: Well I have a us C shirt. 68 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,319 Speaker 3: On right now. 69 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:11,759 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, that's the end of that conversation. Yes, 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,759 but let's talk about ta it forward among other things. 71 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,479 I mean, there's about one hundred things I wanted to 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,039 talk to you about, but I think that we should 73 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:20,240 start with ta at Forward. 74 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: Okay, what is it? 75 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:26,159 Speaker 1: Let's start from scratch here. What is t at Forward? 76 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: It's very misunderstood. 77 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: Well, here's your soapbox, my friend. 78 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,039 Speaker 3: Yep. The name implies that it's about moving people up 79 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:40,360 one or even two sets of t's, and that's not true. 80 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and that's exactly what I thought it was. 81 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know everybody does. And that was my kind 82 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,319 of my message to the PGA when we started all this. 83 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:56,639 This is a lot more complicated than just moving up 84 00:03:56,639 --> 00:04:00,639 a set of teas. Because speaking as a as a golfer, 85 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:06,319 obviously there are some whole the whole thing. I got 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,039 to back up a step because I put it in perspective. Sure, 87 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,840 I had played around a golf I go out to 88 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:16,120 the California desert in the winter time, beautiful place, beautiful weather, 89 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:19,560 beautiful courses, et cetera, et cetera, and I had played 90 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,000 golf that particular day, and I was sitting home in 91 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,680 the evening basically whining to myself about what a lousy 92 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,560 time I had, And then I thought to myself, you know, 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,879 this is really dumb. You just played in a beautiful 94 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:36,720 golf course with nice guys, good weather, et cetera, and 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,879 you're sitting around complaining. You know there's something wrong with you. Well, 96 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:46,319 then I got looking into it deeper. You know why 97 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:49,040 was I complaining? Well, I didn't really have a good time. Well, 98 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,199 why didn't I have a good time? Et cetera, et cetera. 99 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:55,120 And basically, when I finished all of the analysis, and 100 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,279 when on the internet looked up I do know how 101 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,959 to do that. I went on the internet, looked up 102 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,040 data and so on and so worth. We had played 103 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:06,879 that day from sixty seven hundred yards. What I figured 104 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:11,360 out the difference between relative distances between tour players and 105 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,279 amateur players. That was equivalent to a tour player playing 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:21,160 from roughly eighty four eighty five hundred yards. Wow, exactly, wow, 107 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,000 And no tour player would do that. 108 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: That's dumb, No, I mean, the courses are being made 109 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,360 longer and longer and longer these days, but is that 110 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:30,560 to anybody's advantage? 111 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,759 Speaker 3: Well, like I say, why why do why do I 112 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,680 my skills need to play from the equivalent of eighty 113 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,600 four hundred yards? 114 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: And what do you what your index about? So we 115 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:40,839 have a sense of your. 116 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: Well, it's skills, it's a say, it's rapidly escalating along 117 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,120 with my age. It's it's about ten now, I think, 118 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,480 and it's it's but all the all the indicators are 119 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,720 going up, so it's it's anyway. So as I got 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:04,360 into this DOMI that for whatever sets of reasons, amateur 121 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,560 golfers have gotten to a position where they're playing courses 122 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,160 that are much longer than the tour would play. Now, 123 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:16,360 golf lost one point one million people last year. That's 124 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:19,439 a one between one to one and one four depending 125 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:23,839 on which data source you access. And the reasons given 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:32,680 were no fund too slow, not cost, no fun, too slow, 127 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,160 and I'll get the cost. Well, if you're playing from 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,639 eighty four hundred yards, guess what, it's going to be 129 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,040 slow and it's not going to be any fun, so 130 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,839 let's play. Then I got when I looked at the 131 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,680 tour data, the average iron hit into a power four 132 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:55,560 on tour is an eight iron. Now you ask your 133 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,399 friends how many of them average eight irons into the 134 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,199 power four and the courses they play, and if they're honest, 135 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,480 the answer is none, maybe one or two? Okay, maybe, 136 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:07,240 I mean you might hit one or two eight irons, 137 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,480 but you don't average eight irons. You're hitting hybrids or 138 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,879 hitting fairway woods, et cetera. So the whole idea behind 139 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:23,040 this was to promote courses being set up so that 140 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,959 the amateur players would hit second shots from the same 141 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:31,240 relative area to their games that the tour players do. Now, 142 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:35,399 to make it more specific, what I advocated was that 143 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:39,959 the PGA of America, in partnership with the USGA, come 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,000 up with a series of small markers. Figure something that's 145 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:49,000 no more than three inches in diameter, and you put 146 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,240 that in the fairway to one hundred and forty three yards, 147 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:56,959 which is a relative distance for the amateur compared to 148 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,399 the tour player. And you tell golfers, look, if you 149 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,240 want to play the same game the tour players do, 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,319 you tee it up to a point that get you 151 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:07,120 somewherees in the vicinity of that marker. It's that simple. 152 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:09,920 Some of you are going to be behind it, somebody 153 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,439 you're going to be in front of it. But guess what, 154 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,879 on tour, some guys are longer, some guys are shorter. 155 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,439 I don't care. Just play from that vicinity. For women, 156 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:20,959 it's one hundred and twelve. That's what tea at forward 157 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:23,160 is all about. It's not about moving to the front 158 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:26,160 tees because on some holes, if you move to the 159 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:30,480 front ties, you might be in a ninety yards because 160 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,679 it's already a shorter hole. Don Versely, on par fives, 161 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,759 for most of the par fives parameters, i'd actually move 162 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:42,080 the tees back because if you have a par five, 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,120 a big par five, say it's five seventy, all right, 164 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,120 the average ameter, let's figure their t shot at two twenty. 165 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,159 It's somewhere. It's between two ten and two thirty, depending 166 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:54,519 upon the speed of the fairways, et cetera, et cetera. 167 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,440 Now I understand, I'm an old club fitter that everybody 168 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,840 that plays golf hits at two fifty or sixty. I 169 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:04,960 understand that at the very length that's right. Unfortunately, that's 170 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,960 a fantasy. But it's a fantasy all golfers live with, okay. 171 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,279 But the truth of the matter is it's roughly two 172 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,159 ten to two thirty. So we picked two twenty as 173 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:16,200 an average just to pick a number, and then on 174 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,200 their second shot, because it's going to roll along the 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,080 ground if they hit it well, it's another let's say 176 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,840 two ten two hundred yards. So let's say we got 177 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:26,240 two twenty plus two hundred, that's four to twenty plus 178 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,799 four plus one hundred and forty is roughly five sixty. 179 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,759 So you can see where I easily get to five 180 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:36,559 sixty even five seventy for a par five. I really 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,200 dislike par fives that are roughly between excuse me, let's 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,639 say four eighty and five twenty, because for ninety nine 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,279 percent of the ambiturs, they're three shot holes you could hit. 184 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,440 You could hit virtually anything off the tee, could hit 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,639 an iron or a fairway wood, another ironer fairway wood 186 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,559 and still have fairly short iron into the green. So actually, 187 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,840 on my golf courses, well, the par fours would has 188 00:09:59,879 --> 00:10:03,840 a rule, gets shorter, but they would be strategically shorter 189 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,720 because someone have dog legs and so on. The par 190 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,240 fives on the whole would get longer. The par threes 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,399 are kind of a toss up because it depends upon 192 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:14,879 how the green is laid out. If it's a Rodance 193 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,039 style green with a lot of bounce area in the 194 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,720 front and no water around or anything, could be longer. 195 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,720 If it's forest kerry could be shorter. But my point 196 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:27,120 is that the essence of the movement as I originally 197 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,720 construed it is not about moving to the frontiees. That's 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,759 an oversimplification. 199 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: So if I can interpret what you're saying and get 200 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:39,960 this straight, you're saying that the goal is to pretty 201 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,679 much make it so everyone's kind of try getting to 202 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,360 the point where they can hit their eight iron in 203 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:45,600 as their approach shot. 204 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,879 Speaker 3: Roughly. I mean, let's listen, one picking a number. For 205 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:53,799 some people, that's a six iron. I understand that. Okay, 206 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,279 you're looking. 207 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: At a number, not an iron, so that's correct. 208 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:01,159 Speaker 3: I'm just looking. I just want to What I'm trying 209 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,120 to do is say, look, if you went up to play, 210 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,440 if you will, let's all right. You can go up 211 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,399 and you get a chance to scrimmage with Golden State. 212 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,639 They're not going to move the baskets to twelve feet. No, 213 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:15,919 they're gonna let you shoot to ten foot basket, right, 214 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:17,639 That's all I want to. 215 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: Do, right right, But if you play with the Mavericks, 216 00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:23,080 will they put it up to twelve feet? 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,159 Speaker 3: Thank that I've been worked one out with him regularly. 218 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,120 I'm thinking I'm making a comeback. But we I mean, 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,879 think of the publicity value, I mean I'd be the 220 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:31,960 only guy in the NBA with an artificial need. Okay, 221 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,399 I mean that's worth a lot of money to that man. 222 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,559 Oh yeah, that's a marketing them right now. 223 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah sure, I'm sure the Cuban would love to discuss 224 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:40,480 that with you. 225 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: Right yeah. I mean it's a big deal. It's it's 226 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,279 a money maker, it's it's it's guaranteed. I just want 227 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,200 a piece of it, that's all. 228 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: Actually, Actually, we have a minor league baseball team here 229 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,440 in Marin County. This was their first year and in 230 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,799 the last week of the season. Do you remember Bill's 231 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:55,879 spaceman league? 232 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: Oh? Sure I do. 233 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well Bill, he played for Boston in the expos. 234 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:04,120 He holds the record as the most starts for a 235 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,320 left hander in Red Sox history. Right pitched in the seventies. 236 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,200 He grew up in this county. He went to the same 237 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,759 high school my kids went to. He pitched a game. 238 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,840 They paid him to pitch a game at sixty five 239 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:17,559 years old. 240 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: Good for him. 241 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: He pitched a complete game, went one for three with 242 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,399 a sacrifice and an RBI at the plate, and got 243 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:29,519 a nine to five victory. 244 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: I think I remember thinking about him that he always 245 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,120 kept himself in great physical condition. 246 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: He was said, well, I'd say he's got a nice 247 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:40,480 beer belly popping through the bottom of that jersey of his. 248 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,759 But he does play. He still plays hardball. 249 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,279 Speaker 3: He lives right with that arm, you know, because you'd 250 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,000 hurt yourself that. 251 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,159 Speaker 1: It was hilarious. He was throwing junk up there. It 252 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,360 was so much fun to watch these these youngsters just 253 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,559 totally baffled by what he was throwing at him. 254 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,799 Speaker 3: But Clemens is going to start for Houston. You know, 255 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,080 Amy Houston can't throw anyway fifty. 256 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,759 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's not the kid. He's a 257 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,440 kid sixty five. This guy was pitching and it was 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,559 what nuts. And it was a bunch of old hippies 259 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,720 sitting in the stands. It was Hilo. 260 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: They're both throwing from ninety feet, aren't they? 261 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Yes, they are. 262 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: They didn't move the mound back to one hundred and 263 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:14,879 twenty feet. 264 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,639 Speaker 1: That's correct. 265 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:17,879 Speaker 3: That's my whole argument about golf. 266 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had this visual in my head that we 267 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:27,799 were going to put a hotel sign called the eight 268 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,519 Iron Inn. 269 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: Because you're in that business. 270 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:35,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and forty three yard approach. Okay, So 271 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:38,080 how do we do that? Where did then where do 272 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,039 we tee up from? 273 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: Well, we're I don't care where your tea up from. 274 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,399 I mean, come on, you guys are smart people. Figure 275 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,840 it out. I'm just going to show you where you. 276 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: Tea wherever you want your your initial tea shot. You 277 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,759 can go from wherever you want, as long as you're 278 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,759 at approximately one hundred and forty five yards to your. 279 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 3: You'll figure it out. You'll figure out what set of 280 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:57,360 tea's worked for it. 281 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,799 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like especially on golf courses where they're 282 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:04,840 mostly people and if you have an artificial need, do 283 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:06,639 you walk a golf course or you take a cart? 284 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,519 Speaker 3: Both the bens where I play. 285 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So if people are in golf carts, they're 286 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:13,000 never going to talk to each other. Then if they're 287 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,840 all teeing up from different spots the tea. 288 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: You're not gonna tea. But that's my point. You see, 289 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,559 you got them tee it up from different spots because 290 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,960 you're trying to get them all to one hundred and 291 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,120 forty three. That's one of the misconceptions. We tee them 292 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,879 up from the same spot and guess what some of 293 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:27,519 the guys are going to be longer and they're gonna 294 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:28,879 hit it to one hundred and twenty and some are 295 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:30,480 gonna be shorter. They're gonna hit it t one hundred 296 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:30,919 and sixty. 297 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Then why is that different than having multiple take exactly? 298 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: Why if you're playing against me and we're playing for something, okay, okay, 299 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,519 I'll play for that, all right. We're gonna play for something, okay, 300 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,320 And I'm let's say, for the sake of argument, I'm 301 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:48,879 longer than you are, okay. And I got a six 302 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:51,200 iron into the green and you got a hybrid. Okay, 303 00:14:51,759 --> 00:14:54,639 who's got the edge? You do? You bet your life. 304 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,120 Now we play from the t's that I want us 305 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:00,799 to play from. And I'm still longer than you are. 306 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,320 You've got a seven iron into the green, and I've 307 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,000 got a nine iron into the green. Who's got the edge? 308 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:10,559 Speaker 1: You still do? But it's right. 309 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: But now, all of a sudden, and now you stick 310 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,320 seven iron up there fifteen feet, which you probably couldn't 311 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,279 do with a hybrid. And now I got to hit 312 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,759 my shot and it's for a couple of bucks, and 313 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:22,360 you're looking at me and say, here, good luck, Barnyard. 314 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: You know what you made me very nervous. I thought 315 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,519 you were going to tell me where to stick that 316 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:26,440 seven iron for a second. 317 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, you see my point. Yeah, And that's that's one 318 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:31,559 of the misconceptions. It's we're going to have people tee 319 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:33,399 and off all over the place because everybody has to 320 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,679 get to exactly one forty three. Ain't gonna happen, right right, 321 00:15:36,759 --> 00:15:37,440 ain't happen. 322 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:40,399 Speaker 1: So why is that different than having the blue teas, 323 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,120 the white tea's, the black tea's, and the red teas. 324 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't care what color they are. You can make 325 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:44,879 them polka dot. 326 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:47,559 Speaker 1: Why is that different? Why does that make that a 327 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,679 different program? 328 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: Because we now understand where we have to drive the 329 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,399 golf ball to to play the same equivalent game as 330 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:56,399 the tour players. That's the big that's the that's the 331 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,440 mitigating factor. 332 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,519 Speaker 1: That's different playing the same game is. 333 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,879 Speaker 3: Okay, equivalent rank you are going to be as good 334 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:05,080 as they are, and you're not going to hit your 335 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,279 eight iron one sixty like. 336 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,879 Speaker 1: They do, right, oh god. 337 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,919 Speaker 3: But we're gonna have you hit your eight iron and 338 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,120 play from an equivalent distance because we're gonna make the 339 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,039 game faster and we're gonna make it more fun. And 340 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,320 what happens. When you start doing that, things enter the 341 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,799 equation that have been absent for a while, like cars 342 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,639 and an occasional birdie. You play faster. I mean, I 343 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:26,960 think one of the great travesties in golf was the 344 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,919 definition of the four hour round, because if four hours 345 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,000 is the average, then I guess four fifteen or four 346 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,240 to twenty is okay. And I can crawl most golf 347 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,399 courses with my bad knee in four twenty that's to 348 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,360 be that's ludicrous. But anyway, you'll speed up play and you'll, 349 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,279 as I said before, you'll have more fun and and 350 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,519 you should, and you will stem the tide of people 351 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,039 dropping out because it's an enjoyable experience and also enhance 352 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,279 the app opportunity for people to start playing game. You know, 353 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:05,000 let's let's say we're going to get eight new golfers 354 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,119 and we're gonna sum some lessons and you know, outfit 355 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,759 them with clubs and all of that kind of stuff. 356 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:14,400 And now we take it with a golf course and 357 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,039 tee it up from eight thousand yards. You know, it's 358 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,880 like driving people to a bad movie. You can go 359 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,119 in a limousine. You can give them popcorn, you can 360 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,680 do all kinds of things to make it a better deal. 361 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,319 But at the end of the day, it's still a 362 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,319 bad movie. Right, let's fix let's fix the movie. Right. 363 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: But the experience may have been a little better because 364 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,559 it cost them nothing maybe if you're being maybe, but it. 365 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:39,599 Speaker 3: Took a long time. 366 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: See here's what I don't understand about this, Barnie. And 367 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,680 and maybe I'm missing something. And usually when I play 368 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,880 with people and we're trying to decide what tea boxes 369 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,799 we're playing from, they'll say, oh, well, let's see, this 370 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,200 is sixty six hundred yards, this is seven thousand yards, 371 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,640 this is sixty two hundred yards. Let's play from sixty six. 372 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,200 And I'm saying, why does that matter. Let's look at 373 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,799 the rating and the slope. I always to me that 374 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,079 is the the great equalizer. When I say, oh, but 375 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,359 you know, if you play from the front ties, it's 376 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,440 a one twenty two. The middle ties is a you know, 377 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,400 a slope of a one twenty eight, and then you 378 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,640 one thirty five. Well, I'm not good when I I 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,440 don't play as well from a slope of one thirty five, 380 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,079 and I score really well on a one twenty. So 381 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,599 I try to play one twenty eight to when you 382 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:38,799 know one around and there. Why you keep talking about yardage, 383 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:40,319 but you're not talking about rating and slope. 384 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:46,319 Speaker 3: Who cares? Don't get me started rating and slope. You know, 385 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,640 I belong to a golf course that's seventy one hundred 386 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,960 yards from the back and sixty one hundred from the front. 387 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,759 I have the same handicap from four different sets of tees. 388 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,799 That's impossible. 389 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's impossible. 390 00:18:57,559 --> 00:18:59,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it happens all the time. I get letters 391 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:02,000 all the time from people on that subject. I don't 392 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,759 I don't even go there. So you think the raising 393 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,559 I'm a very simple person. You had to teach me 394 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:12,519 how to make this phone call. You know, I have 395 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,720 very limited capabilities. I just want a little marker out 396 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,799 there that says, hit the ball around this area, and 397 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:20,359 you'd be playing from the same relative distance as the tour. 398 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,839 No more, no less. 399 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: It's all based on yardage. 400 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:25,599 Speaker 3: It's all based on yardage. That's correct. 401 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,519 Speaker 1: And you say rating slope is something that is making 402 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:29,880 it too complicated because. 403 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,039 Speaker 4: No nobody canel You know, I sit on the tee 404 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:35,119 the other day and conduct a little experiment because all 405 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,839 the guys that hit it two fifty, and I had 406 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,359 we had a flag out there, and we had a 407 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,759 gun and we lasered it and it was too eighteen. 408 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,039 Speaker 3: So I said, well, obviously, if it's too eighteen and 409 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:46,799 you hit it two fifty, you should carry that, right 410 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,759 A nobody carried it, of course. B very few guys 411 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,799 got there in less than the first top. And see 412 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:57,920 they all left still thinking they hit it two fifty. 413 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,279 Speaker 1: So we were back to the yardage. 414 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: Yep, I'm trying to I'm trying to boil this thing 415 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:12,559 down to the narrowest possible, simplest possible explanation, and quite frankly, 416 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,640 I have a I sort of have another plan, except 417 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,960 it's a little lot on my purview, but if I 418 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,799 could find one, if I could find a sponsor, I 419 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,000 would initiate a series of tournaments kind of like the 420 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:29,160 ultimostmobile scramble type of thing, except that it would be 421 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,039 a different format. But to get people used to playing 422 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:35,480 from these distances, I think that would be a great 423 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,599 way to kick this thing off. 424 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: And so you're you're taking some credit for this idea 425 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,359 of the t and forward idea, the concept of the 426 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,279 yardage and getting people to play it or I wrote. 427 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: I wrote the original story, and then I got contacted 428 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,319 by the PGA and the USGA and they said, this 429 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,759 is a good idea. And they said, uh. 430 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: And it never crossed their mind before. 431 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,799 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it did. As a matter of fact, 432 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,079 I got I got the letters from some of the 433 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:08,240 guys I knew in the media that said, hey, you 434 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,319 know we've written about this before too. You know, there's 435 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,640 nothing new in golf. I think I just took a 436 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,119 little different approach by equating it to tour players. And 437 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,039 I caught on, that's. 438 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: All I see. I see that that was your hook. 439 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's you know, it's it's I'm not 440 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,359 interested in taking credit for anything. I'm an old person. 441 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:31,240 I like peace and quiet. I'd like to play from 442 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:33,400 teas where I can enjoy. I play golf with Lee Trevino. 443 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Nice. 444 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:36,599 Speaker 3: Last I heard he was. Last I heard he was 445 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:37,359 a pretty good player. 446 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:39,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he a lot of fun to play with? 447 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? And he hits it two fifty five off the tea, 448 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:46,160 not two fifty three, not two fifty seven, two fifty five. Wow, 449 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,400 that's the world he lives in. Or you know what 450 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,039 teas he plays? He plays the up tease. Why because 451 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,039 he said, you know, you know exactly what he told me. 452 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,240 He said, I want to be able to hit the 453 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,359 same shots into the green I always did. And there 454 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,160 it is, there it is. I mean, this is Trevino 455 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,039 talking about and I promise you I've never seen an 456 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,559 amateur at any level that can hit the ball close 457 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,119 to it as well as he hits it today. And 458 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,400 I have been around. 459 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've seen a couple of golfers play. 460 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: I have been around. 461 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: I see a huge stumbling block in all this golfer's egos. 462 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,519 Speaker 3: No fooling. I'm glad you caught onto that. 463 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: Because guys play from the blues today. 464 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: Why I belong to a men's club. Give me a break. 465 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,559 I live with this stuff. But I'll tell you there's 466 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:45,920 another there's another reason too. It's a little more subtle, 467 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,400 but it's equally powerful. And one of the great things 468 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,799 about golf is that it's played to a set of 469 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,000 standards as a general rule. And I mean they can 470 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,960 always find exceptions, but it's played to us a very 471 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,160 high set of standards. 472 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:01,759 Speaker 1: I might add. 473 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: People play by the rules. For example, in the equipment business, 474 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,680 if you come up with a golf club that's miraculous 475 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,279 but doesn't fit the rules of golf. People won't buy it. 476 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:17,079 They want to play by the rules, which to me 477 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,319 is adds a veracity to They also be willing to 478 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:25,279 play from the same distance the tour players do. But 479 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:30,880 the bottom line is that when you have this sense 480 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,079 of integrity about the game and all of a sudden 481 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:38,359 you're playing from distances that are twenty thirty forty yards 482 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,440 closer than you used to, you feel guilty, You feel 483 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,759 like you're wrong, you feel like you're cheating. That's part 484 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,440 of the educational process. It's not true, but that's the feeling. 485 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:52,200 So that to me is as strong a feeling as ego. 486 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:54,880 And I'll give you a little one that you would 487 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,440 never figure in my time on the first t and 488 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:01,759 talking to people on trying to promote this just on 489 00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:09,200 an individual basis, Guess where the most complaints have come from. 490 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: Women? Absolutely, Oh you're kidding, is going to be like outrageously. 491 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,519 Speaker 3: I know, that's what I mean, that's the outrageous answer. 492 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:22,000 But but I mean I've had them just go up 493 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:23,640 one side of me and down the other, dress me 494 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,039 down about wanting to move the teas up so more 495 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:28,240 women could enjoy the game. And yet what's the big 496 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:32,359 movement by the PGA of America. The great untapped resource 497 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,119 for more golfers is women. Okay, let's have them play 498 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,599 from the equivalent of seventy four hundred yards. Guess what 499 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,960 will happen. They'll be slow, they won't have any fun, 500 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,400 and they'll quit. I've been in the golf business almost 501 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:51,279 thirty years. Literally annually for thirty years, I've heard that 502 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,720 the great influx of golfers we're going to be women. 503 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:59,160 It has never happened. One starts, one quits. Maybe if 504 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,240 we made the game, I mean, women aren't stupid, for 505 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,960 heaven's sakes, you know, maybe if we made the game 506 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,720 a little more amenable to them on course, maybe they'd 507 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,680 stick around for a while. 508 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: And you think, what happened one of those things. 509 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens to clubs is the good women players 510 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:19,000 don't want to give up their advantage. Oh right, that's simple. 511 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: And how much? And I've always felt this way about 512 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:27,519 like the Golf channel, is that they cater if that's 513 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:33,240 the right word to the single digit uh. You know players, 514 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,519 the better players who aren't willing to give up the 515 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,279 ones that you're talking about that. Aren't willing to give 516 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480 up something and you know there's such a small minority 517 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:42,279 of golfers. 518 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:46,079 Speaker 3: Sure, but but you got one thing about golf. Uh, 519 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,720 it's a top down influence game. 520 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,559 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 521 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: I mean you go out in the range and watch 522 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,440 to see what the eighteen handicapper is doing so he 523 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,039 can get better. 524 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: No, I watched TV, gotcha. 525 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so it's it's understand I mean I 526 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,920 understand that I do, however, fault the Golf Channel. It's 527 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,839 one of the advantages of being old and retired, you know, 528 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,119 I can speak my mind. 529 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: And being on a podcast that nobody's listening to. 530 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: Exactly right. They ought to be all they ought to 531 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,880 be all over this, and the reason they ought to 532 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,160 be all over this is it's good for their business. Yeah, 533 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,599 it's a business decision because when people quit the game, 534 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,359 that's viewers. People take up the game, that's viewers. They 535 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,720 ought to be the champion of this movement. 536 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,079 Speaker 1: Before when you said too slow, no fun, I was 537 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,599 always saying too slow, too hard. 538 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah that's semantics. Okay, you think, but I argue against 539 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,240 it cost what I do talks on this thing. Oh well, 540 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:46,359 the game's too expensive, I say, I I absolutely disagree 541 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:46,640 with that. 542 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,599 Speaker 1: Oh, because that was my third point, and you weren't. 543 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,799 You were going to bring that up. It's like it's 544 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,160 too it's no fun or too too hard, too slow, 545 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,519 and it costs too much. 546 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 3: I don't believe. I don't buy that for a second. Sure, 547 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,640 pebble bee'st costs too much at six hundred or something 548 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,000 like that. I mean, you know, give me the exceptions value. 549 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,599 How much would you pay to go to a bad movie? 550 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm still forced to pay ten bucks? 551 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,799 Speaker 3: But help? I mean, really, how much would you pay 552 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,400 to go to a rotten movie? If you knew up 553 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,480 front it was going to be bad? You couldn't. You 554 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,480 can't make it cheap enough. 555 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm saying, wait till it comes out on cable. 556 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,079 Speaker 3: I'll give you ten dollars if you go to this 557 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,400 rotten movie. So now, never mind. It's value. If the 558 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,400 game is fun, if people enjoy it, they'll pay a 559 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:31,960 fair price. 560 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,839 Speaker 1: And what's going to make them enjoy it more. 561 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: Playing it from the properties or they're not beating their 562 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:37,799 brains out all. 563 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,559 Speaker 1: The time making the game easier. 564 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: I don't think whoa whoa, whoa where Where did easier 565 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,079 come into all that? I must have missed when I 566 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:46,599 said that. 567 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,559 Speaker 1: No you didn't. I'm sorry. I'm saying. I think it's 568 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,640 it's about scoring is going to make it more fun, 569 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:53,920 better scoring. So many people. 570 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 3: Are like, really, really, and you're gonna score better when 571 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,920 you get up there. 572 00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,519 Speaker 1: No, it's still going to be hard to do. 573 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,759 Speaker 3: You bet your life it is. It's a whole Believe me, 574 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,920 I've had this. I had this conversation. I talked to 575 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,279 the guys I played with and I talked to them 576 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,880 to moving up a set of teas, and of course 577 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920 they gave me a hard time. Blah blah blah blah. 578 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,799 We got around to one hole and everybody had wedges 579 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:22,119 to the green. Nobody hit the green. And I said 580 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,960 to him, I said, gosh, this is really getting easy 581 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359 from up here. I said, we're going to shoot nothing. Yeah, right, 582 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,200 it isn't easier, it's just more relative. I guess that's 583 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,839 a double comparative. It's just relative. 584 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's relative. But is that significantly changing it? You 585 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,000 think that change makes it? The change? 586 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: I know it makes a huge change. Really, I know 587 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,599 what because I've heard from other people, I've forgotten how 588 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,720 much fun this game could be. 589 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,119 Speaker 1: So how do you do when you step up to 590 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,400 the tea on the first tee? You got your foursome 591 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,599 together and say, all right, we're going to do a 592 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,200 little bit differently today. We're going to play from. And 593 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,039 what is it that you're agreeing upon? 594 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. You're gonna play fro whever you want. 595 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,000 You're just gonna know that out there there's a marker 596 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,880 and that's where you should be hitting your second shot from. 597 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,200 And you'll learn, I mean, come on, golfers aren't dumb. 598 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,759 They'll figure it out. There's there's this mental there's this thing. 599 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,519 I don't know what the word is that we have 600 00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:18,160 to present golfers with Christine specific information, like there are 601 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,839 a bunch of morons, you know, they don't know what 602 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,039 to do, and okay, now you have to go to 603 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,599 this tee and then step three steps backwards or do this? 604 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,359 Come on, Golfers are are as a rule, are very 605 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,440 intelligent people. If they know that it's that the relative 606 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,440 the ten foot basket is out there where that little 607 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640 marker is on the fair way, and they also know 608 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,319 that it's okay to be a little short of it 609 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000 or to be past it, because after all, it's an in, 610 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,759 it's an you know, it's not a specific game. They'll 611 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,000 figure it out. I don't have to. I'm not gonna 612 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,079 tell them. That's that to me, that's nuts. That's that's 613 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,640 where you get into trouble. Well, I should play here 614 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,839 because I hit a two sixty off the tee. Oh okay, 615 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,000 you don't. But now what do we do? That's why 616 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,440 I say I get away from all that stuff. 617 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: So then the buy in from the golf courses to 618 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,440 participate in this is nothing more than putting a marker 619 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,519 at one hundred and forty x yards. 620 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and having it. I think having it. I think 621 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,880 it should be done under the auspices of the PGA, 622 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,000 where the regional guy comes out and you know, officially, 623 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 you know, says yeah, we've just signed up you know, 624 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,160 the fred Green Country Club and so on, and they 625 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400 got the markers, et cetera. Then that I would also 626 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,279 I would also suggest that they started off with an event, 627 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,480 because there's an education process involved to do just what 628 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,759 you were asking, to help people find out where they 629 00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:37,759 should tee off from and so on. Yeah, maybe a 630 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:39,480 series of events, but I mean it's more than just 631 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,799 sticking the markers in the fairway. That's the first step. 632 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the education process is huge, and I 633 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,200 appreciate that you're giving me your time to educate us 634 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,039 because I'm still a little baffled on some of this stuff. 635 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,839 Speaker 3: I'm wondering, well, you're slow, you're slow, but you'll pick 636 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,119 it up. 637 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,079 Speaker 1: It's my internet connection. 638 00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 3: I understand. 639 00:30:59,079 --> 00:30:59,319 Speaker 1: Party. 640 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,599 Speaker 3: If you listen, what do you think about this? It's 641 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,319 not eight you'll say, Holy I got it now, I understand. 642 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,799 Speaker 1: Well that's why, hopefully can we continue to do you 643 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,359 have to run? Or can we continue talking about I'm retired? Okay, 644 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,000 So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do part 645 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,799 two of this conversation. We're going to hang up right. 646 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,160 We're not going to hang up. We're just going to 647 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,839 let people know that part two of this cover. Yeah, 648 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,440 we're gonna go hang up right, and and we're going 649 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,960 to tell everybody that the Part two of this conversation 650 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,279 is going to be a Golf Smarter for members only episode. 651 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,759 So if you want to hear more about what Barney 652 00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:30,559 has to say about this, and actually, if you don't mind, 653 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,400 I'm gonna want to dig into your history, a little 654 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,079 bit about how you got to golf, and he's looking 655 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,319 up in the sky. He's like, I'm so bored listening 656 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,200 to this. He wants to eat. I want I want 657 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,319 to know the history of Adam's golf. I'm not gonna 658 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,799 about not what's going on now, but how you got 659 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,079 started that coming from cause you mentioned me you came 660 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:53,200 from Silicon Valley, So I don't see that you came 661 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,359 from being a golf pro and had an idea for 662 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,759 a golf club, but you sure turned into something big 663 00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,759 with that way. 664 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: I looked up with this guy because at this stage, 665 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,640 because I've gone I've done this many times. I always 666 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,079 invent something new every time. 667 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: Awesome. All right, So Part two of this conversation with 668 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,240 Barney Adams formerly of Adams Golf, namesake of Adams Golf 669 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,359 on golf Smarter for members only, So please go to 670 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,599 golf smarter dot com and join today so you don't 671 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,759 miss this or get access to all of our archives 672 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,640 of well over three hundred episodes of the golf Smarter podcast. Barney, 673 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,119 thank you so much for greed for part two and 674 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,400 for coming on explaining to forward. 675 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: You see over my head. By the way, that's a 676 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,880 signed I want you to know, a signed picture from 677 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,920 my hero, Arnold Palmer. 678 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,119 Speaker 1: I was going to ask about that because I've been 679 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,359 scaring you know, every time you look at your socks. 680 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,720 I've been looking at that picture. 681 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: Going, well, that's true, and the light reflects off my 682 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,400 head and it kind of blurs the picture. So I 683 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,000 wanted to be clear. 684 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't blur it at all. It makes it 685 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,000 look like he's under a spotlight. 686 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, Part two coming up. 687 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,039 Speaker 1: Well, once again it's time to talk to Terry Kaylor's 688 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:09,640 CEO of Score Golf about your questions on your short game, 689 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,559 and then Terry answers them, and if he answers your 690 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,599 question on the Golf Smarter podcast, you are going to 691 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,279 receive a customized Score forty one sixty one money club 692 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,799 for yourself to try out at no charge. Right right, Hey, Terry, 693 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,799 I'm doing well. Thank you got a great question here, 694 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,279 because I think it's something that's on the mind of 695 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,960 almost every golfer, you know, as they continue to progress 696 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,640 in their game and they're starting to figure out that 697 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,319 they can't do a lot of stuff. This one comes 698 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,680 from Steve Zintas of Baltimore, Maryland, and he says, when 699 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720 I watch golf on TV, I noticed there are several 700 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,400 times when players hit short, little pitch and chip shots, 701 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,640 the ball would hit the green stop and then back up. 702 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,119 Other times the ball would run out. It does when 703 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680 most of us hit the ball. So how is it 704 00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,559 possible to get so much spin on the ball from 705 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,840 such a short distance with less than a full swing 706 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,039 and obtain that kind of reaction. 707 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question. See spin is one of 708 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,039 the great mysteries of shots. And you know, I want 709 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,119 to start. There's a bunch of different elements that affect 710 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,360 your ability to spin the golf ball. Let's work from 711 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,119 the hole backward. One of the first elements is what 712 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,679 kind of greens are you hitting into? 713 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: And you know, a bent. 714 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 5: Grass green that's a little on the soft side is 715 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,599 gonna it's going to take more spin and react and 716 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,760 grab the ball better than a bermuda grass green that's 717 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,880 that's firmer. You have different so different turfs are gonna 718 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,360 are gonna, you know, allow that spin to take effect. 719 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,679 The other thing is that a lot of people don't 720 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,039 look at whether you're pitching that ball into the grain 721 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,559 or against the grain. It has a lot to do 722 00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,800 with how you can make that ball react when it 723 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880 hits the green. A third element is the slope. Are 724 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,119 you hitting it into a slope? Are you hitting it 725 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,360 into a down slope? Has a lot more has a 726 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360 lot to do with it. You take those variables out, 727 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480 let's go to what happens between the green and the club. 728 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,599 You've got the golf ball, and the pros all play 729 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,480 a very high spinning golf ball. A lot of amateurs 730 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,440 are playing these balls that are more distance oriented, maybe 731 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719 a little lower price point ball, which is fine, but 732 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,679 I always recommended to people forget distance, play the highest 733 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,320 spinning ball that you can find, and it's going to 734 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,599 give you more control around the green. And all the 735 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,440 balls are long nowadays, I mean you're not going to 736 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,119 give up three or four yards, and I mean what 737 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,280 the ball ends in the fairway makes a much bigger impact. Well, 738 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,159 then you come back to the moment of truth, the 739 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:53,920 club ball impact point. And for a golf ball to 740 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,840 be imparted with the maximum amount of spin, a few 741 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,239 things have to happen. One thing is is that the 742 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,039 ball has to adhere to the face of the club 743 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920 and get a good friction on the face of the club, 744 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920 so if you're in grass, if you're in you know, 745 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,800 have a little moisture on it. If the grooves on 746 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,280 your club aren't clean. These things all will will reduce 747 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,199 the amount of spin you can put on the ball. 748 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,119 One of my favorite little tricks for when I want 749 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,480 to hit a higher spinning shot is I like to 750 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,199 focus on the on the forward edge of the ball, 751 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,599 the side of the ball closest to the hole, so 752 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,320 that I can make sure I make ball first contact, 753 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,320 that I that that club is on the ball before 754 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,320 it hits you know, the turf. But there's also and 755 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,519 one other thing you have to understand about the tour players. 756 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,360 If you want to learn to spend the ball like them, 757 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,559 it's really pretty easy. Go invest thousands of dollars in 758 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,400 lessons and spend at least three or four hours a 759 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,800 day hitting these little short. 760 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 3: Cuts, because that's what they do. 761 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,199 Speaker 5: As the commercial said, these guys are good and they practice, 762 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,480 and when the when the groove thing changed a few 763 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,800 years ago, these guys all went out and spent hours 764 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,719 and hours and hours and hours with their witches and 765 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,599 their arms in their hand to try to understand what 766 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,079 the new spin was like, and they all learned how 767 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:09,519 to spin the ball just as good with the new 768 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:13,039 grooves as the old grooves. And it goes back to 769 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,000 practice practice. There's a technique that I had a tour 770 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480 player showing me that these guys are all perfecting now 771 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,760 that they're they're letting the club release more. And you 772 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,280 look at a lot of amateurs and they get their 773 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,280 hands way out ahead of the ball and they kind 774 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840 of hood the club down and they're very stiff risted, 775 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,400 and they turned their their fifty sixty three sandwich into 776 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,559 a forty eight or forty nine degree club. They've taken 777 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,119 the bounce out of it. And that's not the way 778 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,760 to get spind The way you want to maximize the 779 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,039 spin is to let that club, you know, you get 780 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,960 the club back, let the club fully release under the ball, 781 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,079 so the clubhait is almost passing your hands when it 782 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,079 makes contact on that little short shot, and you have 783 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,400 a little higher acceleration in the clubhead. But you're also 784 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,320 adding loft to that shot, and that increases spin. But 785 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,360 bear in mind, the golf on TV that we watch 786 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,039 is designed for TV audiences, and TV audiences like to 787 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,480 see these guys shoot twenty and twenty five under. You know, 788 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,320 those of us that are seasoned golfers, we tend to 789 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,079 like to see them grind to shoot even par. But 790 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,639 that's not what TV is about. So to go back 791 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,199 to practice feeling a real crisp click when you hit 792 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400 the ball, to let you know you're really making ball 793 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,920 first contact. And don't get all excited about backing the 794 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,159 golf ball. I mean, you're not going to probably do that. 795 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,840 You're not playing the same kind of greens. But you 796 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880 know you can learn to check the ball a little 797 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,800 better than you probably do, and that comes from using 798 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,280 all the loft on the club and letting that club 799 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,159 release through the ball properly, making sure you have really 800 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,280 good crisp contact, and you're using a golf ball that 801 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,119 really takes spin, because some balls don't take spin very well, 802 00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,320 and you don't, you know, you're just going to be 803 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,760 fighting a losing battle if you're If you're doing that, 804 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,400 make sure the grooves on your club are clean. As 805 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,800 I said, I mean grooves that are filled up with dirt, 806 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,840 they're not gonna spin the ball well. Make sure the 807 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,960 face of the club is clean. 808 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're repeating that because you know, like 809 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,199 I'm nuts about taking my little metal brush after almost 810 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,800 every shot or before every shot and making sure that 811 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,519 the grooves are you know, debris free. And people look 812 00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,079 at me like why do you carry so much junk? 813 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,199 It's like, are you kidding? Do you know what happens 814 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,719 when you get all the mud on. It's like hitting 815 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,840 a ball that's gotten mud all over it. It's not 816 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,800 gonna react the way you hope. 817 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,039 Speaker 5: No, it really doesn't. I mean, the equipment, there's a 818 00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:44,480 lot happening in that millise that the ball is in 819 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,760 contact with the face and good, good clean grooves, a 820 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,199 good club that's not worn out. But a lot of 821 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,599 it's about technique and don't try to chop down on 822 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,679 the golf ball, and don't worry about this really you know, 823 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,480 harsh descending blow, you know, any kind of a I 824 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,840 mean that's kind of hard on your joints and everything 825 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,800 to be pounding into the ground like that. But just 826 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,559 look at work on really crisp clean to contact and 827 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:11,000 work on kind of pinching that ball into the turf 828 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,719 and letting that leading edge of the club be where 829 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,280 you make contact and practice it. Steve, I mean, it 830 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,079 really is about your short game. If you want to 831 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,079 be really good, you've got to practice it. And you know, 832 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:26,840 you can go out in an hour and hit one 833 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,719 hundred to one hundred and twenty little short game shots 834 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,559 because you're not taking these big wind up golf swings, 835 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,800 and and you'll learn a lot. I mean, just practice 836 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,599 different things and experiment, have fun, be creative and say, 837 00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:41,480 wonder what happened if I kind of do the little 838 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,280 flippy thing with hands, and you know, just learn a 839 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,639 good technique and learn what you know how to do. 840 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,639 And then when you're in the golf course and you're 841 00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,920 trying to determine what kind of shot you want to 842 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,599 into that flag, walk up there and look at the green. 843 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,599 See if the green is running you know, at you 844 00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,880 or are away from you, and you know feel the green. 845 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,719 Is it firm and hard up there and you're going 846 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,880 to have to allow for some rollout? Or you know, 847 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,320 is that green a little mushy under your feet? You're saying, 848 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,800 you know, this is pretty cushiony. Some greens they have 849 00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,840 a thick thatch of grass and it almost just like 850 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,840 a spring. What you're you know, the green that you're 851 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,400 going to be able to really stick the ball on 852 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,840 it's going to be a little soft under your feet, 853 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,840 but it has a very thin layer of grass, so 854 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,519 that you know the grass isn't providing a sponginess. 855 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:34,159 Speaker 1: Fabulous. I you know, I just I can't tell you 856 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,639 how much I love this part of the education that 857 00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,880 we're getting on this podcast because it's so specific and 858 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:47,760 it's not necessarily mechanics, right it there's elements of it, 859 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:50,159 but there's so much more to it, and I really 860 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,599 appreciate your knowledge on this, Terry. This is fabulous. 861 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, I've spent a lifetime studying 862 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,320 this game and thirty years in this industry and studying 863 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,519 equipment and effect. And why do I want to, you know, 864 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,559 die with all that knowledge? I mean, the only thing 865 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,280 that to me, the fun thing about knowing something this 866 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,880 year and it with somebody that'd like to know it. 867 00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,119 You're and so I take great, great pleasure in that. 868 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 1: You do a great job. Thank you well, Steve. Congratulations. 869 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,039 You are now eligible to have a customized Score forty 870 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,360 one sixty one money club made for you, and the 871 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,440 folks at score Golf will help you do that. Tell 872 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,199 us about the information they can fill out that will 873 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,880 help you determine which is the best scoring club for them. 874 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,079 Speaker 5: Well, you know, what we've done is really recreate the 875 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,719 short end of the set. It's no longer about being 876 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,000 satisfied with a nine iron and a pitch that that 877 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,199 match or six iron looked like a six arm, because 878 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440 that's not the right way to design those high loft clubs. 879 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,000 Just no longer about playing quote wedges. The reason we 880 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,079 don't use the terms we don't make wedges. What we're 881 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,880 doing is so far evolved from wedges. And I've got 882 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,760 a collection of old wedges, and your members have heard 883 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,880 me say this before, but I've got wedges from the 884 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,639 forties and fifties that you can't tell the difference between 885 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,280 them and a twenty eleven model or a nineteen ninety 886 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,440 two model. There's been no evolution in this category. And 887 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,000 the high loft golf clubs in the old days, Ben 888 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,960 Ogan and all those guys, they never hit them over 889 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,639 twenty five or thirty yards. But we use these as 890 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,000 full swing clubs now, and all that weight real low 891 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,440 causes blending trajectories and inconsistent distance control. So every golfer 892 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,800 has got their own right prescription. 893 00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,599 Speaker 1: Phenomenal, all right, thanks so much, Terry. We'll talk to 894 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:28,719 you 895 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 5: Soon, okay, thank you Fred