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Speaker 1: Officials from the US and China are agreeing for a
Speaker 1: call to take place between President Biden and Shi Jinping.
Speaker 1: Call will be part of efforts to smooth the relationship
Speaker 1: between the two countries. What does that call sound like,
Speaker 1: my lord? Agreement comes from a meeting held today in
Speaker 1: Beijing between the NSA and a top Chinese official. They
Speaker 1: agreed Biden and she agreed in November to have increased
Speaker 1: communications between the two sides.
Speaker 2: A young boy accidentally smashed a jar while on a
Speaker 2: visit to a museum in Israel. This jar dated back
Speaker 2: to the Bronze Age, sometime between twenty two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred BC. It had been on display at the
Speaker 2: Hecked Museum in Haifa for thirty five years for a
Speaker 2: four year old's grubby little hands took it down. It
Speaker 2: was on display right near the entrance to the museum
Speaker 2: without any sort of glass surround because museum administrators believe
Speaker 2: that there is a special charm in displaying archaeological finds
Speaker 2: without obstructions. Maybe next time we display it without four
Speaker 2: year olds. Also, yeah, they're killing those owls. Man which
Speaker 2: owl number the owls?
Speaker 1: The plan to kill all the owls so that the
Speaker 1: other owls can thrive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, now it's official.
Speaker 1: Wildlife officials next year will scale up efforts to kill
Speaker 1: invasive barred owls that are crowding out the native owls
Speaker 1: from the West coast forests.
Speaker 3: They've approved a.
Speaker 1: Thirty year plan to kill up to four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty two thousand barred owls in Oregon, California, and Washington State.
Speaker 1: I say the killings are meant to relieve pressure on
Speaker 1: declining populations of spotted owls, which are smaller need larger
Speaker 1: territories to survive.
Speaker 3: That's off.
Speaker 1: I I almost wanted John and Ken this story and
Speaker 1: go out there with bullhorns and things and just yell
Speaker 1: at these people for killing the barred owls.
Speaker 3: Isn't there a way?
Speaker 1: Is there a barred owl relocation program you can engage
Speaker 1: in or something You're just gonna go, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna kill him?
Speaker 3: Are you shoot them? Are you gonna poison them? Something
Speaker 3: tells me this is not just about the barred owls.
Speaker 3: It's about the owls.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna wipe out all the four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty two thousand owls for the other owls.
Speaker 3: Feels like something else is going on here. No, not really, Okay.
Speaker 1: Maybe nothing else is going on, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: focused on the owls a lot of Maybe it's time
Speaker 1: to go get an arts and crafts project from Michael's.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's time for It's time for swamp watch.
Speaker 4: Swamp is horrible.
Speaker 2: The government make it's like a reality TV shoot bado
Speaker 2: always a pleasure to be in.
Speaker 3: Where in Washington, DC?
Speaker 5: Hey, Joe, a town hall too, clearly built on a
Speaker 5: swamp in so many ways, still a swamp.
Speaker 6: I have a bunch of malwarkey.
Speaker 7: W he said, drain the swamp. I said, Oh, that's
Speaker 7: so I'll.
Speaker 1: Keep you, you know the the sixty nine days until
Speaker 1: election day, former President Trump Jade Vance holding events in
Speaker 1: swing states this week. He's going to hold a town
Speaker 1: hall in Wisconsin tomorrow, speak at a rally in Pennsylvania Friday.
Speaker 1: Vance is set to speak at rallies in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: Wisconsin today. Kamala Harris and Tim Walls kick off their
Speaker 1: bus tour in Georgia later this afternoon. They've got a
Speaker 1: rally in Savannah tomorrow, and then tomorrow night is when
Speaker 1: they are going to do their big first interview together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to do it on CNN.
Speaker 2: Dana Bash is going to interview them in Savannah, Georgia.
Speaker 2: Some criticism of it includes the idea that, well, maybe they.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't do it together. This is not a good idea.
Speaker 2: Scott Jennings is a Republican conservative commentator on CNN who said,
Speaker 2: this is not going to be a good look for
Speaker 2: the Democrats.
Speaker 7: I think it's I.
Speaker 8: Have great confidence in Dana and CNN to do this.
Speaker 8: I think it's incredibly weak, weak sauce to show up
Speaker 8: with your running mate, the fact that they don't have
Speaker 8: enough confidence in her to let her sit herself the
Speaker 8: actual top of the ticket and do a single interview.
Speaker 8: In fact, I think the hand ringing and the gyrations
Speaker 8: over this over the last month show a troubling lack
Speaker 8: of confidence in her political ability, which also makes you wonder,
Speaker 8: as a voter, well, what kind of president would you
Speaker 8: be if this kind of.
Speaker 7: A small time decision?
Speaker 8: Can we do an interview or not what does that
Speaker 8: look like for your decision making process?
Speaker 9: So on.
Speaker 8: So yes, I think Republicans are going to think it's
Speaker 8: pretty weak to show up with effectively someone to take
Speaker 8: up half the time.
Speaker 2: And we've heard from people who say they do want
Speaker 2: to see them together because they want to see how
Speaker 2: the two of them interact if they're going to be
Speaker 2: in the two most important jobs in the American government,
Speaker 2: and and other people said that we'd rather see her
Speaker 2: alone because it gives it's, if nothing else, it's a
Speaker 2: high pressure situation.
Speaker 3: How does she do under a high pressure situation.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to tag team a lot of
Speaker 1: these questions. I don't know how you can't, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not going to go there just to sit in silence.
Speaker 2: Unless Dana Bash says this is a question specifically for
Speaker 2: the for the vice president, that she should do that,
Speaker 2: and then say something, OK, okay, Governor Walls, now this
Speaker 2: question is specifically for you or something like that to delineate.
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be taped or live? I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be taped. It better not be.
Speaker 2: I think we've I think we've established that these things
Speaker 2: need to either be live or they need to be
Speaker 2: aired in their entirety, y saw with with Biden and
Speaker 2: George Stephanoppolis.
Speaker 1: But they will say probably something like how do they
Speaker 1: get around it edited for for time or what have you.
Speaker 1: But again, do you think CNN would edit, would like
Speaker 1: cut out something embarrassing with it if there was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they have.
Speaker 2: But that's why I think they would do it live,
Speaker 2: just for the to make sure that there's no appearance
Speaker 2: of impropriety, just to be on the up and up.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of articles also today, one opinion
Speaker 2: piece in Politico and then one also in the La
Speaker 2: Times that Kamala Harris has surpassed Gavin Newsom and the
Speaker 2: governor is not happy. That was the La Times headline,
Speaker 2: the one in Politico why Gavin Newsom lost star surrogate
Speaker 2: status under Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: They've been friends.
Speaker 2: You've heard Gaven Newsom refer to their friendship before they
Speaker 2: even got into politics in San Francisco, and the you know,
Speaker 2: we're talking twenty five thirty years later. They meet on
Speaker 2: arguably the biggest political stage that they had both been on,
Speaker 2: which is the Democratic National Convention last week, and Newsom
Speaker 2: had a brief cameo role where he delivered the state's
Speaker 2: delegates to the vice president this ceremonial vote.
Speaker 3: It was a big deal.
Speaker 2: He did not look like he was happy, surrounded by
Speaker 2: California's Democratic political class there with Maxine Waters and not
Speaker 2: Diane Feinstein. Sorry Nancy Pelosi. I'm sure the ghost of
Speaker 2: Diane Einstein was somewhere around there. But then that was it.
Speaker 2: He had no other role at the convention.
Speaker 1: I heard that he turned it down.
Speaker 5: So the Monday night thing, yes, that they offered him
Speaker 5: the curtain raising position and he said, no, I've got
Speaker 5: to put my kid in a new school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Gavin Newsom does the parenting.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing about him saying he had to
Speaker 2: take his kid's trick or treaty.
Speaker 3: Yeah remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, using your children as a cover for your I mean,
Speaker 1: I know if I had kids, i'd do the same
Speaker 1: thing from time to time, Like if there's something I
Speaker 1: want to get out.
Speaker 3: Of, I'd be like, eh.
Speaker 1: I even toyed with the idea of when I started
Speaker 1: my next job, unfortunately, I mean not unfortunately, fortunately I
Speaker 1: haven't started my next job, but that I would bring
Speaker 1: a picture, a generic picture of some children and put
Speaker 1: it on my desk so that I could use my
Speaker 1: fictional children to get out of whatever I wanted to
Speaker 1: get out of or take off. Oh, I got to
Speaker 1: get my kid to a doctor's appointment on Tuesday at
Speaker 1: eleven am. I just had an idea that that would
Speaker 1: be nice to have that. But of course I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: and Gavin Newsom routinely uses his children as cover and
Speaker 1: it's just another level of grossness.
Speaker 2: The Politico article says Newsom's reduced role in the campaign
Speaker 2: has fueled parlor intrigue in Sacramento. Political insiders questioned the
Speaker 2: governor's status as a national surrogate and how his own
Speaker 2: potential future presidential ambitions could be affected by Harris's rise. Remember,
Speaker 2: right around the time of the debate between Trump and Biden,
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom was going through Northeastern states stumping for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Remember he was an active open surrogate for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: And once Kamala Harris gets to the top of the ticket,
Speaker 2: he's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3: Which is a crazy, crazy thing to think of it.
Speaker 1: Well, you think in eight years, So let's say she wins,
Speaker 1: see he benefits from her losing. He benefits from a
Speaker 1: Trump presidency because then he can run against him in
Speaker 1: four years. I listen, I don't think he would make
Speaker 1: it out of the primary.
Speaker 2: It's unusual for a vice president to be elected. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Georgie H. W. Bush was the only one
Speaker 2: we've seen in decades. But if she does win, I
Speaker 2: don't think she has a two term I don't think
Speaker 2: she's got two terms in her. You don't think that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't think she'd run again. Well, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: she wouldn't run again. I'm just saying she wouldn't win.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 2: But either way, he is still squeezed out. I think
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean he would be squeezed out.
Speaker 1: He squeezed out for eight years, no matter what you say.
Speaker 1: If she wins, seems like it, and that makes him
Speaker 1: sixty four in eight years, and in this new world
Speaker 1: where we elect eighty year olds, he still got runway.
Speaker 3: He's still got time to run. We got runway. One
Speaker 3: of the big deals.
Speaker 2: Also on the other side of the aisle is this
Speaker 2: superseding indictment that was filed against Donald Trump. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that with ABC's Peter harr Alamos when we come back.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about this new report that
Speaker 2: came out that suggests that parenting can be stressful.
Speaker 1: The Surgeon General says that a huge percentage of parents
Speaker 1: can't function with all the stress. This Surgeon General is
Speaker 1: he's a little sensitive. This is like the third thing
Speaker 1: he's come out with, and I'll find the other ones.
Speaker 1: Just these general proclamations that we are largely in peril. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I understand, I mean we are, we are perilous people.
Speaker 2: Well, it's one thing to acknowledge that parenting can be stressful.
Speaker 1: But for the surge in general to issue a proclamation
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: It's another thing to then go, oh, you are so right.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: It gives people, sometimes not everybody, but it gives people
Speaker 2: permission perhaps to kind.
Speaker 3: Of think they have a clinical problem. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's not the case.
Speaker 1: The shooter in the assassination attempt of former President Trump
Speaker 1: searched online for events of both Trump and Biden. Saw
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania campaign rally where you opened fire last month
Speaker 1: as a target of opportunity this according to a senior
Speaker 1: FBI official today, They say that this guy did extensive
Speaker 1: research for an attack before the shooting, had looked at
Speaker 1: a number of events or targets. According to the Special
Speaker 1: Agent in charge of the Pittsburg Field Office, this is
Speaker 1: the latest in a series of briefings about that investigation.
Speaker 2: Well, Jack Smith is out with a take two on
Speaker 2: his indictment former President Trump for his efforts to overturn
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. Made some changes to accommodate the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity, joining us to talk
Speaker 2: more about it. ABC's Peter Harralambo's the ABC News investigative
Speaker 2: reporter out of New York, and Peter, some of these
Speaker 2: changes were big, obviously noticeable, some of them a little
Speaker 2: bit more subtle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right, and thanks for having me, Gary
Speaker 4: and Chrenton. It seems as though Jack Smith had to
Speaker 4: go back to the drawing board in a way after
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court decision, trying to figure out a way
Speaker 4: to frame this case about a lot of Trump's conduct
Speaker 4: when he was president and make it so that it
Speaker 4: would not be construed as official acts that would have
Speaker 4: been protected by the Supreme Court's decision. So when we
Speaker 4: look at this new indictment, we see entire sections about
Speaker 4: Trump's relation and involvement with the Department of Gusice completely removed.
Speaker 4: It also adds kind of more subtle entries framing certain
Speaker 4: conduct as things that Trump did as a private citizen
Speaker 4: as a candidate for office, rather than as the president
Speaker 4: of the United States at the time. They're hoping that
Speaker 4: this new kind of repackaging of the allegations and it's
Speaker 4: really the same charges here will kind of allow them
Speaker 4: to withstand the Supreme Court scrutiny and go forward with
Speaker 4: this case. So it seems like it might take a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, it's going to be delayed, delayed, delayed. The
Speaker 1: names left off of this indictment, that does not preclude
Speaker 1: charges from being filed in the future against them.
Speaker 4: That's right. It seems as though we're unlikely to see
Speaker 4: new charges come up in the next few months. There's
Speaker 4: a DOJ policy that generally recommends against adding new charges
Speaker 4: or making substance major moves in a case within sixty
Speaker 4: days of an election, but it's possible that months years
Speaker 4: from now, if this case proceeds, we could see even
Speaker 4: more changes, So that's that's still a possibility Friday.
Speaker 2: I understand this is a deadline that the judge set
Speaker 2: for both sides to come forward with suggestions what do
Speaker 2: we expect to see between now and then.
Speaker 4: So for now we're unlikely to see too much movement
Speaker 4: with the case. By Friday, we should see that ruling,
Speaker 4: that kind of plan from both parties where they lay
Speaker 4: out kind of the next steps for this case. An
Speaker 4: indictment is one thing. The other thing is kind of
Speaker 4: showing how this case can effectively move forward and go
Speaker 4: to trial. They have a hearing schedule tentatively for next Thursday,
Speaker 4: in which both parties will come to court, and it's
Speaker 4: also possible that we see some kind of arraignment, even
Speaker 4: though filing yesterday from Jack Smith's team suggested that Trump,
Speaker 4: as the defendant here, would likely waive his right to
Speaker 4: appear in person and an arraignment.
Speaker 3: All right, Peter, great stuff, Thank you, yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Troving you guys, Peter, har Alambus again, ABC News investigative
Speaker 2: reporter there in New York City. You mentioned that Vice
Speaker 2: President Harris and Tim Walls are going to be headed
Speaker 2: throughout rural Georgia over then couple of days as part
Speaker 2: of their campaign. The importance of Georgia cannot necessarily can't
Speaker 2: be understated.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people are talking about it, how
Speaker 1: it's a high risk, high reward type of a trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that returning to the trail after the
Speaker 2: convention to visit a state that many Democrats said was
Speaker 2: out of reach in recent months, which it was now.
Speaker 2: Biden won Georgia in twenty twenty, but barely. I think
Speaker 2: it was by two tenths of a percentage point. That
Speaker 2: of course prompted that call from President Trump to Governor
Speaker 2: Brian Kemp or it was the Secretary of State actually
Speaker 2: where he was asking for. You know, all he needs
Speaker 2: is eleven thousand votes to be shifted about two months
Speaker 2: until election day.
Speaker 3: So they are now in a race to try to
Speaker 3: make up for lost time.
Speaker 2: And the latest polls do show that Trump does still
Speaker 2: have a lead there in Georgia, but that the gap
Speaker 2: is closing since Biden left the race, and Harris's aes
Speaker 2: aides have argued that it's one of those states that
Speaker 2: has become more competitive with her at the top of
Speaker 2: the ticket, and they said it makes sense to spend
Speaker 2: some time there, to put in the work there, even
Speaker 2: though they need to make a serious play with competitive
Speaker 2: blue wall states that they're looking for in the mid
Speaker 2: Midwest as well.
Speaker 1: Would you like your jeopardy question today? Military bases for
Speaker 1: a thousand? John McCain was born on a US military
Speaker 1: base near a strategic waterway in this Latin American country.
Speaker 3: Ksand them up, See all right, coming up? And how
Speaker 3: old he was he when he was born?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just born. Do you know how many
Speaker 1: weeks his mother was pregnant for? Did you come early?
Speaker 3: I don't know. You don't know that?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean the part about how old he was when
Speaker 2: he was born is a lot easier than knowing.
Speaker 3: He was a pre Was he premie?
Speaker 9: You think?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know dotational period for John mckaye.
Speaker 10: You're the one that.
Speaker 7: Brought it up.
Speaker 1: You're like, do you know how old he was when
Speaker 1: he was born? I don't know how many it was?
Speaker 3: Zero?
Speaker 1: He was he was still growing in the stomach, not
Speaker 1: what he was born. Why are we fighting over this?
Speaker 1: So it's ridiculous conversation we've had in a while.
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Speaker 3: Somebody needs a haircut? Look at you? Oh, I can
Speaker 3: do it right now.
Speaker 2: Really a couple of little clarification According to New York Times,
Speaker 2: there are a couple different places that I saw. But
Speaker 2: the New York Times says CNN is planning to tape
Speaker 2: that uh interview with Vice President Kamala Harrison, Governor Tim
Speaker 2: Walls and then air it tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: At six o'clock our time.
Speaker 2: So don't know if they're going to erit in it's entirety,
Speaker 2: or if they're going to edit it for length or time.
Speaker 3: Or foibles, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But apparently CNN we'll be taping that joint appearance between
Speaker 2: the Vice President and her running Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I feel the ghost of Ken, not that he is
Speaker 1: no longer with us, but in this room, the work coast,
Speaker 1: the work ghost. When he used to do this all
Speaker 1: the time, he'd repeat odd words like John would say
Speaker 1: a word like foibles and he'd be like, follybles, I
Speaker 1: do it from time to time or the huh.
Speaker 3: It lives within me.
Speaker 10: When you know you're on fire as a co host,
Speaker 10: when you look who's here?
Speaker 1: So true, justin whan it's basically I'm not paying attention
Speaker 1: to what you just said.
Speaker 7: Good point, Gary.
Speaker 3: She just looks up from the computer. But I agree,
Speaker 3: what's going on with you.
Speaker 7: Oh man so much.
Speaker 10: I was going to ask you if you guys were
Speaker 10: okay with me talking about this, but now I'm just
Speaker 10: gonna okay, great, But I forgot. I was in there
Speaker 10: chatting in the control room and then Keanu was like,
Speaker 10: you can go in there now, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 10: is it like time time?
Speaker 7: And they were just like yeah, I go okay.
Speaker 10: I just want to give a quick PSA to everybody
Speaker 10: out there because I lost my dad a couple of
Speaker 10: weeks ago, and my dad did not have a trust.
Speaker 10: He had four accounts that were just in his name,
Speaker 10: and so I've now it's become my passion because I'm
Speaker 10: now on the other side of it. For probably about
Speaker 10: eight years, my parents had this plan of like my
Speaker 10: mom would say, Honey, I don't know where any of
Speaker 10: the bank accounts are, I don't know what bills we owe,
Speaker 10: I don't know anything. If something happens to you, I'm screwed.
Speaker 10: And my dad would say to her, don't worry, Justin
Speaker 10: will take care of it and I'll be one.
Speaker 3: That confidence he did.
Speaker 10: And I'll be honest, he was not wrong. And there
Speaker 10: have been moments that I have felt immense.
Speaker 7: Pride and.
Speaker 10: I want to say the word gratitude of just being
Speaker 10: given the opportunity to say, you know, to take care
Speaker 10: of them, because I firmly believe they did such an
Speaker 10: amazing job taking care of me there. But there's also
Speaker 10: been times where I'm angry at him because he kind
Speaker 10: of dumped it on me. It was the last conversation
Speaker 10: I had with him was he warned me about the
Speaker 10: kind of stuff and so I just, I just if
Speaker 10: you own and investments, if you own a house, I
Speaker 10: don't care. If you don't have kids, you need to
Speaker 10: have a trust because then at least that gives you
Speaker 10: the ability to donate the proceeds of the sale of
Speaker 10: your home to a charity rather than it just going
Speaker 10: to nothing, or your family having to hire an attorney
Speaker 10: to go through probate, like it's just a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Especially, I was going to say, especially if there is
Speaker 2: any sort of and I don't think there is with you,
Speaker 2: but I mean, if there is any sort of conflict
Speaker 2: you know of between the people, who would there was
Speaker 2: who would inherit, whatever you have it, if it's spelled
Speaker 2: out in the trust, there's no conflict, I mean basically hopefully,
Speaker 2: But if there is no trust, it can be the
Speaker 2: end of relationships, of lifelong family relationship.
Speaker 10: It has ruined the relationship with me and my brother
Speaker 10: as wow. Literally like twenty five hours after my dad
Speaker 10: was gone, my brother called me yelling at me about
Speaker 10: what I was going to do to take care of
Speaker 10: our mother, And forty eight hours after that we had
Speaker 10: a huge family fight where I called him a coward,
Speaker 10: I called him a piece of ass.
Speaker 1: If everyone's hurt right now, you're still in a fog,
Speaker 1: and so it just you have to be gentle like
Speaker 1: with yourself and everybody else. And I know you, and
Speaker 1: I know that you're super financially oriented and this is
Speaker 1: something for you to focus on, yes, but you know
Speaker 1: you also have to like feel all the things and
Speaker 1: live in that fog.
Speaker 7: And you don't get a chance to.
Speaker 3: It's awful.
Speaker 7: I beg my dad two years ago.
Speaker 10: I said, Dad, I need you to put everything in
Speaker 10: a trust, because he told me for years he had one,
Speaker 10: and then I found out four years ago he didn't.
Speaker 10: So I it literally for did a conversation I would have.
Speaker 10: He'd say, hey, sign, I go, hey, Dad, how are you?
Speaker 10: Did you get a trust yet? And you go no,
Speaker 10: but I'm working on it.
Speaker 3: Do you think he had one?
Speaker 7: Nope?
Speaker 3: Or he just wanted to listen.
Speaker 10: I've said many many wonderful things about my father on
Speaker 10: the show, and I continue to take.
Speaker 3: Them all.
Speaker 7: And all serious.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 10: My father was an incredible father and an amazing grandfather.
Speaker 10: I was very lucky to have him, and my kids
Speaker 10: were very lucky to have him. But he was not
Speaker 10: the best husband. He did not He was kind of
Speaker 10: secretive about money. He told me some things, so I
Speaker 10: knew he taught me how I manage our money, and
Speaker 10: so I had an idea. But then when I got
Speaker 10: into it, there's so many things he does that don't
Speaker 10: make any sense, to be honest with you, And so
Speaker 10: you get caught in this weird thing of how do
Speaker 10: you do the right thing by him and his memory
Speaker 10: and what he would have wanted, but when it's not
Speaker 10: technically the right thing. And I told him, I said, Dad,
Speaker 10: I don't think my brother and sister are happy with
Speaker 10: you right now, and I'm worried that if you go
Speaker 10: something happens to you that then I become the You
Speaker 10: become the place that they're going to put their anger.
Speaker 10: And we all know I'm already crying here now.
Speaker 7: I can't take that.
Speaker 3: I'm not strong about especially right now.
Speaker 7: You can't. I can't.
Speaker 10: I have not I can't really have moments to just
Speaker 10: be in it because there's.
Speaker 7: Always a job to do.
Speaker 1: I think that your experience is probably really common. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people struggle with emotions about parents
Speaker 1: that have gone that that listen, it's very rare to
Speaker 1: be financially in order to have that house in order.
Speaker 3: It's it's not a gift everyone has.
Speaker 1: You can be the best person in the world, but
Speaker 1: horrible with money, and I think some of the best
Speaker 1: people I know are horrible with money. But it is
Speaker 1: a conflicting thing because you want to mourn, but at
Speaker 1: the same time you're pissed off, and that screws you
Speaker 1: up just as much.
Speaker 7: You get you get saddled with guilt.
Speaker 2: Noah and the three of us are now in this
Speaker 2: awful club, right. I mean that other people belong to it,
Speaker 2: but but we are now in this club where we've
Speaker 2: all lost our fathers. And even if the to your
Speaker 2: point about having something in place, having a trust and
Speaker 2: a plan. Even if you do have some of that
Speaker 2: stuff in place. My parents did have a trust, but
Speaker 2: there's still stuff that's that is is unresolved. You know
Speaker 2: that that will be and I'm eight months past my
Speaker 2: dad dying, but there's still stuff that we've had to
Speaker 2: work out between the sisters and I and how we're
Speaker 2: going to finagle this or and as much preparation as
Speaker 2: they had for accounts or vehicles or property or whatever,
Speaker 2: there's still a guy that's living in their house. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's the squatter that we've been trying to deal with.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't their fault necessarily. It was just like, well,
Speaker 2: we didn't need an agreement with this guy because we
Speaker 2: just thought he would go when when it was time
Speaker 2: to go, which is clearly not the case. So even
Speaker 2: as prepared as you you know you can be, there's
Speaker 2: still the potential for there to be some loose an.
Speaker 7: He had a.
Speaker 10: Quadruple bypass surgery this last December and that opened his eyes.
Speaker 10: He started the process, but he prioritized my grandmother's trust
Speaker 10: to update hers. He built it with her and it
Speaker 10: was already there. He just wanted to update it, so
Speaker 10: he didn't do his and so, but he just it
Speaker 10: came out of nowhere, and so I'm just trying to
Speaker 10: tell as many people as I can. I brought it
Speaker 10: up at a PTA meeting. I brought it up at
Speaker 10: my networking meeting this morning. I figured this is a
Speaker 10: great outlet to let people know because it literally can
Speaker 10: save you so much heartache in my opinion, I don't know,
Speaker 10: I guess I mean, maybe you guys could speak more
Speaker 10: to it. I haven't been on the other side of
Speaker 10: it where it's even quasi organized. But my dad has
Speaker 10: a rental property and their least agreements have been up
Speaker 10: since twenty seventeen. He hasn't even touched it. He hasn't
Speaker 10: increased the rent. That's their sole income. Now my mom's
Speaker 10: income has been cut in almost half. Like it's there's
Speaker 10: and it's all. I have to take care of my
Speaker 10: grandma's estate, my parents estate as well, and then my
Speaker 10: mother in law's estate, and it's ale have just been nice.
Speaker 2: How about this. Every Wednesday when you come in, we
Speaker 2: just do a state planning. I'll just talk about a state.
Speaker 7: I should probably go to law school before we start talking.
Speaker 3: I've got a free weekend before football.
Speaker 1: I will go to the University of Phoenix.
Speaker 3: I will figure all of it out. If it gives
Speaker 3: you two minutes of peace.
Speaker 7: Good joby, you guyso much better.
Speaker 3: I'll Phoenix. Well, we're glad you're back. I mean, I
Speaker 3: know this is a yeah, I'll be gone.
Speaker 7: I was gone for my family for a month.
Speaker 10: Yeah, just taking care of and I had to stay
Speaker 10: there for ten days after he passed, just to get
Speaker 10: but my mom.
Speaker 7: Has a trust.
Speaker 3: Now does Jack have kids?
Speaker 7: I don't know yet. I haven't seen his face.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you've brought her. No, I'm glad you're name though.
Speaker 10: I just took a guess to be honest, carry I
Speaker 10: just I just figured this was not the time Mark
Speaker 10: you was Shannon. She wouldn't take that Lowa blow right
Speaker 10: right after my dad passed. Trust me, she might tell
Speaker 10: you guys are the best and we'll continue.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Also, I want to say that you guys were really
Speaker 10: kind and I was not as kind. I think I
Speaker 10: was wired differently as that I felt like I'm a friend,
Speaker 10: and I didn't. I didn't want to bring up anything
Speaker 10: or anything. But now that I know that, when people
Speaker 10: tell you like, hey, i'm sorry, it means something like
Speaker 10: it does. So thank you both, and I'm sorry that
Speaker 10: I didn't return the favor. But thank you. You guys
Speaker 10: are good friends.
Speaker 3: You're going to change your life now, are you. I
Speaker 3: mean you're gonna have this weird thing where Ms.
Speaker 1: Patricia says to do nothing for a year after someone
Speaker 1: close to you dies because you're just don't make any
Speaker 1: big decisions. Don't buy a car, don't don't do anything
Speaker 1: big because it takes a year to like really come
Speaker 1: back to normal.
Speaker 7: I've heard that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's why Dave Ramsey in his financial course, he
Speaker 10: tells you that your life insurance should be ten times
Speaker 10: your annual salary because then you want to be able
Speaker 10: to take care of whoever is left behind for ten
Speaker 10: years while you could still be there.
Speaker 7: So they can the.
Speaker 10: First year they like they just shouldn't even touch it,
Speaker 10: like he says, don't do anything in the first year,
Speaker 10: but after that then you can. You just you could
Speaker 10: make bigger decisions, but you just off of it for
Speaker 10: the first year, and then after that.
Speaker 3: How are the kids.
Speaker 10: My sons were, Okay, I don't know if I did
Speaker 10: it right. I told them, I said, I'm sorry if
Speaker 10: I did it wrong. But he passed away on the
Speaker 10: first day of school, and it was like nine He
Speaker 10: literally passed away at nine to fifteen am, no pm pm. Okay, So,
Speaker 10: and like twenty minutes beforehand, my wife sent me this
Speaker 10: beautiful video of my son doing his homework while practicing
Speaker 10: his audition for the musical singing Surrey with the Fringe
Speaker 10: on Top from Oklahoma, of course, and my other son
Speaker 10: was talking to his friends and they just had great
Speaker 10: first days of school, and I just i'd looked at
Speaker 10: my mom and I said, I don't think this is
Speaker 10: the right thing. And then the next day they were
Speaker 10: having rough nights, but we didn't want to make it worse,
Speaker 10: and so they didn't find out for a couple of
Speaker 10: days afterwards.
Speaker 2: Well, I was about their age, or I was at
Speaker 2: least about the age of the year older son. When
Speaker 2: my grandmother died and it was one of those where
Speaker 2: I was I did not want to have anything to
Speaker 2: do with it, not because I wasn't close to her.
Speaker 2: I mean, she literally had lived with us for a
Speaker 2: couple of years, so I was close enough with her,
Speaker 2: but I remember that that time of life where you
Speaker 2: that's not a thing. And I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was just that my lack of emotions or whatever how
Speaker 2: he treated in the family, but I didn't want to
Speaker 2: have anything to do with it. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: know when it happened. I didn't want to know any
Speaker 2: details yourself. Probably my older.
Speaker 10: Son wanted to know, like I think he even wanted
Speaker 10: to know the nitty gritter. He literally his question was
Speaker 10: how did he go? Like he wanted to hear the story.
Speaker 10: So I told him the story. He was very peaceful
Speaker 10: in his sleep like he wanted.
Speaker 7: He told me.
Speaker 10: Since I was a kid, I hope I go and sleep,
Speaker 10: and I just hope it's quick. And so that's exactly
Speaker 10: what happened. But what I thought was interesting that normally
Speaker 10: I would be defensive against and push back against, but
Speaker 10: in this case I just let it go. Is that
Speaker 10: when my kids came up to see me at my
Speaker 10: parents' house after he had gone.
Speaker 7: They immediately wanted his things and it was pretty adorable.
Speaker 3: My son nephew's were that way with my dad.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: My older son went up and put on his clothes, yeah,
Speaker 10: and wanted to.
Speaker 3: Wear his hats. They went through his closet like right away, I.
Speaker 10: Played dress up like. He came down with dad's old
Speaker 10: belt buckles he was wearing. My dad had these like
Speaker 10: elephants in cowboy boots. He got Texas when we went
Speaker 10: to go visit a family family we have there and
Speaker 10: he just was putting it all and then he went
Speaker 10: to sleep in the bed.
Speaker 7: That they have set us like this trundle bed for
Speaker 7: the kids.
Speaker 10: And he left that in the middle of the night
Speaker 10: and late and Grandpa's recliner and slept there all night,
Speaker 10: just because I think he wanted to be close to him,
Speaker 10: you know. And my my younger son and wanted his
Speaker 10: wedding ring. He said, can I have some of Grandpa's
Speaker 10: rings because my dad liked jewelry.
Speaker 3: Hem.
Speaker 10: Yes, he wants to pawn him to get some Fortnite
Speaker 10: bucks he wants, Yeah, for my gift card. Thanks thanks
Speaker 10: for bringing me back to her shand and that's right.
Speaker 10: I almost shame him those rings. He is not socially responsible,
Speaker 10: because it would be really funny if he turned he
Speaker 10: was found a way to ride his bike.
Speaker 1: To that your dad, you were miling down the entire
Speaker 1: bike ride.
Speaker 10: To tell you this quick story, because I really think
Speaker 10: my dad would get a kick out of this, is
Speaker 10: that you have to after somebody passes away for whatever reason, ceremonies,
Speaker 10: so you have to call all the people that they knew.
Speaker 10: And I would call them from my phone because I
Speaker 10: thought it was super creepy to call my dad, like
Speaker 10: from my dad's phone.
Speaker 3: Good point.
Speaker 10: And then they don't recognize your number, and so then
Speaker 10: you're forced to leave voicemails or say, hey, I'm this
Speaker 10: guy's son that you don't know. Call me unrelated, everything's fine,
Speaker 10: but just call me. And so there's one guy. My
Speaker 10: dad and mom had this thing where they would call
Speaker 10: their friends for their birthdays and saying happy birthday.
Speaker 7: This guy that my dad used to work with.
Speaker 10: He didn't call him because he just wasn't feeling well,
Speaker 10: and so the guy called him back because he didn't
Speaker 10: get a call for his birthday and my dad wasn't
Speaker 10: didn't have the energy to take the call. This was
Speaker 10: in like mid July, So now I'm calling him a
Speaker 10: few days after my dad had passed, and the poor
Speaker 10: guy picks up the phone and says to his wife, see,
Speaker 10: I told you he wasn't dead. Hey, Jesse, how the
Speaker 10: hell are you? And I laughed a little bit.
Speaker 7: I'll be this because my dad. One of my dad's
Speaker 7: favorite moments.
Speaker 10: Towards the end of his life, this is well before
Speaker 10: he got sick, was that there was about a six
Speaker 10: month period where medicare thought he was dead and he
Speaker 10: got so much joy, so much pure joy he felt
Speaker 10: from talking to people out a bureaucracy explaining that he
Speaker 10: is not dead because they speaking to him right, and
Speaker 10: they just could not compute that. He thought that was
Speaker 10: so funny, And thankfully this guy was socially awkward enough
Speaker 10: that it didn't It just grazed him like he didn't
Speaker 10: even care.
Speaker 7: But that was really funny.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you had the same experience chan him,
Speaker 2: but that those that round of phone calls, that's that
Speaker 2: was probably some of the toughest.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was the toughest. Time you're calling people you
Speaker 10: don't know. I called this guy that used to work
Speaker 10: for my dad when he had a contracting business thirty
Speaker 10: years ago. And this is a guy who I used
Speaker 10: to hang out with, was kind of my friend even
Speaker 10: though he was an adult. We played video games together.
Speaker 10: He was a really nice guy. And what you the
Speaker 10: But what I found nice about it, as hard as
Speaker 10: it was, was that you start realizing the impact that
Speaker 10: my dad had on just people that he worked with. Yeah,
Speaker 10: Like literally people adored my father at a level that
Speaker 10: I did not even know. Like it's it's almost kind
Speaker 10: of sad that he didn't want a funeral service because
Speaker 10: I don't think those people get a chance to come
Speaker 10: and say what they wanted. So I just hear stories
Speaker 10: like your dad was the greatest guy everybody across the board.
Speaker 10: He taught me so much. He was just so much
Speaker 10: fun to work with. Like a lot of the people
Speaker 10: that he worked with just really my fired him and
Speaker 10: looked up to him, and he looked out for a
Speaker 10: lot of younger guys.
Speaker 7: He started the fishing tournament.
Speaker 10: They do a Father's Day weekend fishing tournament at the
Speaker 10: cabin community that he retired in, and now this year
Speaker 10: they're going to name it after him because I brought
Speaker 10: it back and they asked all of our family to
Speaker 10: come and participate. My mom usually does a lot of
Speaker 10: the cooking, so I negotiated the terms that Mom will
Speaker 10: only be sitting in a camping chair, drinking a glass
Speaker 10: of wine, being a consultant, or cooking if she wants to,
Speaker 10: but she does not.
Speaker 3: Have to cook all.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find this picture of I showed up
Speaker 1: at a forty nine er game. My dad was a
Speaker 1: fixture a candlestick and then Levi's or whatever. I show
Speaker 1: up at a game after you'd passed, and one of
Speaker 1: the guys that he tailgates with he was wearing a
Speaker 1: white shirt with a picture of my dad.
Speaker 3: He had a t shirt made of my.
Speaker 1: Dad sitting in his tailgating chair, you know, like a
Speaker 1: joint in his hand or something, and it was just
Speaker 1: it was a great moment. It's like when you hear
Speaker 1: good things I would imagine about your kids, Like when
Speaker 1: your kids go to friend's houses and they're like, your
Speaker 1: kid is so well behaved, there's such a joy to
Speaker 1: have Olivia or what have you, like, so proud. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with parents when you find out what
Speaker 1: they meant to people because you don't get to.
Speaker 10: See You didn't see that, really see it, even if
Speaker 10: you're at the game with him, you don't see it
Speaker 10: from that lens of that person until weirdly enough, after
Speaker 10: they're gone and they're telling you about that.
Speaker 7: The guy who used to work with my dad, he said,
Speaker 7: I have to go. He had to.
Speaker 10: He couldn't even talk to me on the phone. He
Speaker 10: got too emotional and he has I said, he goes,
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, I can't talk right now.
Speaker 1: That was like the guy that showed up at your
Speaker 1: dad's house and you had to give him three hugs.
Speaker 3: Oh, the propane guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, like the propane multiple times because he adored
Speaker 2: your pone.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 2: I think it was, if I'm not mistaken, it was
Speaker 2: like the morning after he passed away.
Speaker 3: No, it was. It was we were the weekend we
Speaker 3: were doing the service, the funeral service.
Speaker 10: That's a weird thing too, where you kind of feel
Speaker 10: like you're emotionally caring for people that are just friendly
Speaker 10: with your parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was like, I mean, he hadn't he
Speaker 2: hadn't seen my dad for a few weeks because he'd
Speaker 2: been a house bound. So I mean but he would
Speaker 2: come and fill the propane, take and take off, and
Speaker 2: they'd know each other for years and stuff.
Speaker 3: But quick talk back for you, brother.
Speaker 9: I feel for you going through a similar situation. But
Speaker 9: I just remember, be slow to anger, quick to listen,
Speaker 9: and just you know, let people.
Speaker 4: Just be themselves.
Speaker 9: And if they're going to be evil and say horrible things,
Speaker 9: just let them and still participate in it. Man, Sorry
Speaker 9: for your loss.
Speaker 10: Thanks, that's good advice. Yeah, I don't know that I
Speaker 10: can listen to it. In regards to my brother right now,
Speaker 10: I'll be honest, that's the hardest. That's going to be
Speaker 10: the hardest. That's the hardest one right now because of
Speaker 10: the way he came out. But I will try.
Speaker 7: I probably we're glad you're here at anything, my father.
Speaker 3: But now it's all.
Speaker 7: About you, man, god seeing Thanks for seeing me so much.
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