WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:02.640 It's Night Side with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:06.040 I'm telling you Boston's new radio. 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.560 Oh good luck to Brad Marsh and I'm not sure 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.240 he's going to be able to play six years, but hey, 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:15.640 for a thirty seven year old guy in the NHL, 6 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:20.559 that's pretty good. Pretty good. Okay. We have spent two 7 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.960 hours talking about the controversy in Newton. If you tuned 8 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:30.039 in late, we talked with a city councilor John Oliver. 9 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.000 In the nine o'clock hour, we talked with Arianna h Foya, 10 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.840 one of the residents of No Nantum, and we also 11 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:42.479 talked with Newton Mayor Ruthanne Fuller. They were in the 12 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.119 nine o'clock hour, and in the eleven o'clock hour. We 13 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:50.600 had lots of different callers, most of whom are very 14 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.920 much offended by which may by what Mayor Fuller did. 15 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.759 If you had an opportunity to miss the nine o'clock hour, 16 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.119 you can listen to it tomorrow. Tomorrow that hour will 17 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:07.319 be posted by Rob Brooks, or top notch ace producer. 18 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.040 He gets that up sometime generally before two or three 19 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.840 o'clock in the morning, and Rob will have that posted 20 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.760 for all of you to listen to and you can 21 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.000 begin listening to it as early as probably four o'clock 22 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.400 this morning. Now I want to switch on to a 23 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:32.640 national story as I think, as I'm sure all of 24 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:38.239 you are aware, the President's big beautiful tax bill or 25 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.319 whatever you want, like a big beautiful bill. I don't 26 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:43.400 think he calls it a tax bill. We probably will 27 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.640 be getting more to that in the next day or so. 28 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:50.239 I'm here for two more days this week. But one 29 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.680 of the things that is a big story today is 30 00:01:54.719 --> 00:02:00.480 the Trump administration formally has found that Harvard failed to 31 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.239 protect Jewish students and has threatening to cut off all funding. 32 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:08.199 I'm looking at stories today from CNN, from The New 33 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.680 York Times, from Associated Press, and I think this is 34 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:21.560 a very interesting story. Obviously, Donald Trump has Harvard in 35 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.439 the crosshairs. He has two schools in the crossairs, Columbia 36 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:29.039 and Harvard. Now I don't think either of those schools 37 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:34.120 covered themselves in glory in the wake of the Hamas 38 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.439 attack on Israel back in October of twenty twenty three 39 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.199 and all of the demonstrations that have occurred. But for 40 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:49.199 some reason, maybe it is because Colombia has been more 41 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:56.360 acquiescent Harvard, it seems to be the real focus of 42 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:02.319 President Trump, and I think that there is a possibility 43 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.879 that the President could easily overplay his hand. I, as 44 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:13.719 I think most of you realize, I support Israel and 45 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.240 Israel's right to exist. I think the president should be 46 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:22.319 congratulated on what he achieved in the damage that he 47 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:27.240 inflicted on the nuclear program in Iran. We were talking 48 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.400 about that a week ago, I said at that time, 49 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.280 and I continue to believe it. Watch what Iran does. 50 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.800 Don't necessarily listen to what they say. They are always 51 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:44.599 going to say things for domestic consumption, the purpose of 52 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:50.039 which is to remain in power. This is a autocracy, 53 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:56.240 this is a theocracy. It is a dictatorship. It oppresses 54 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:02.159 its people. We know all of that. On that score, 55 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.120 I think the President did exactly the right thing. However, 56 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:13.639 in terms of Harvard, Harvard has acknowledged that they have 57 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:19.480 not been as diligent as they should be in being 58 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.040 concerned about how Jewish students are treated, not only by 59 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:34.839 faculty but also by other students. They have said Harvard report, 60 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.319 they did their own task force, and Harvard said the 61 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.920 alienating and hostile atmosphere that many Jewish and Israeli students 62 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:47.639 had Harvard described experiencing, particularly in the twenty twenty three 63 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:56.279 twenty four academic year. They acknowledged that. Okay, now you 64 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:03.800 have the Trump administration with their own task force. They 65 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:12.279 have found that Harvard University is in violent violation. I 66 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.720 don't know what that word means, violent violation, but violent 67 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.120 violation of the Civil Rights Act. That's according to CNN, 68 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:24.199 once more escalating the battle with the school, days after 69 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.319 President Trump suggests that a deal was in sight to 70 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:34.519 end its targeting of the university. Now, the members of 71 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.959 the Joint Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism said on 72 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.639 today in a letter to Harvard President Alan Garber, that 73 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:49.639 an investigation into the school's compliance with Title six of 74 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.120 the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based on race, color, 75 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:02.319 or national origin in programs or activity receiving federal funding, 76 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.240 is now complete. The Office for Civil Rights at the 77 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.879 Department of Health and Human Services finds that Harvard University 78 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.079 is in violent violation of the Title six of the 79 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.720 Civil Rights Act, reads the letter obtained by CNN, which 80 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.839 is signed by Assistant Attorney General Ramid Dillon and others. 81 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:23.279 Now. 82 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.160 Dylan is a lawyer. She's out of San Francisco, she 83 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:31.279 seems to me to be a very competent attorney, but 84 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:40.120 she also is very much a Trump advocate appointed by 85 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:44.519 the president. According to CNN, the investigation concluded that Harvard 86 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.480 has been in some cases deliberately indifferent and in others 87 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.199 has been a wilful participant in anti Semitic harassment of 88 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.480 Jewish students, faculty in staff, pointing two examples of Jewish 89 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.439 and israel students being assaulted and spin on imagery on 90 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.319 campus that it says, quote trafficked in obvious anti Semitic troops, 91 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.040 and what it describes as an impermissible multi week encampment 92 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:18.079 that has stilled fear in and disrupted the studies of 93 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:24.360 Jewish and Israeli students, according to the letter, now there 94 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:29.759 is a quote here. In response, Harvard said it is 95 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:34.279 far from indifferent and strongly disagrees with the report's conclusion. 96 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:40.120 The university's communications director, Jason Newton said in a statement 97 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.720 his statement, anti Semitism is a serious problem, and no 98 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:51.519 matter the content, it is unacceptable. Harvard has taken substantive, 99 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.600 proactive steps to address the root causes of anti Semitism 100 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.560 in its community. Newton said one to folk On that 101 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.279 because that is an acknowledgment by the Harvard spokesman. And 102 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.439 I'm sure that this statement from the Harvard spokesman or 103 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:18.000 communications director Jason Newton was reviewed by the administration and 104 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:23.160 reviewed by lawyers. It is an admission against interest. It 105 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:27.079 is a statement that says, yeah, anti Semitism is a 106 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:32.399 serious problem, and no matter the content is unacceptable. Fine. 107 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.919 That is a statement that does not refer to Harvard University, 108 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:42.120 but the sentence following that does. Harvard has taken substantial, substantive, 109 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.960 proactive steps to address the root causes of anti semitism 110 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:52.720 in its meaning Harvard's community. So that is an admission 111 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:58.720 in of itself. And look, there's no question at this 112 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:05.440 point that Harvard has been lax in tamping down and 113 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.080 dealing with anti semitism. The question is, if it is 114 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:18.360 acknowledging the problem and has taken steps to alleviate that problem, 115 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.279 why is the Trump administration still going after them and 116 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:29.759 increasing the threats and raising the stakes. I don't know 117 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:34.200 the answer to that, but I hope you do. I 118 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.360 think it would be great if we could eliminate all 119 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:42.200 forms of discrimination in every higher education university in this country. 120 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.399 But I think the Trump administration would be wise, in 121 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:53.799 my opinion, to take its victories and monitor Harvard's future compliance. 122 00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.279 But to take the acknowledgement that Harvard has made. It 123 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.639 is not saying we're as clean as the driven snow. 124 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:10.320 They are admitting that they have failed. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, 125 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:15.039 thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty Different topic, 126 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.559 different subject, different hour. Let's light them up, coming right 127 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:23.360 back on Nightside. You're on night Side with Dan Ray 128 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.399 on WBZ Boston's news radio. Sorry, will take them in 129 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.320 order as we always do. Let me go to Matt 130 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.639 and Brighton. Matt, are you satisfied with what Harvard has 131 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.720 said or done or do you think the Trump administration 132 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.240 should continue to push and do they risk being becoming 133 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:44.200 considered overbearing in this situation? 134 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:51.399 Well, I mean it's a good question. I think we're 135 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:57.120 getting two perspectives here. Now I understand the part of 136 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:04.679 anti Semitism versus anti Zionism, and when I read Harvard's statement, 137 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:10.600 they've said we felt like we've combated anti Israel, which 138 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:16.840 would be anti Zionism. The overall answer is that's for 139 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.759 the students who are there to answer and President Trump, 140 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:25.679 who's a very good advocate for the Jewish people. I'm 141 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.919 talking about the American Jews. Yep, they may be still targeted. 142 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.200 I don't know that they're not. And if Harvard's can 143 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:39.840 able to put in place anti Israel rhetoric, anti Zionism 144 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:44.320 and control that, I don't know there's not still anti Semitism. 145 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.000 So I'm there will be a point that I think, yes, 146 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.080 they are overbearing and overdoing it. But until I'm able 147 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:56.559 to be satisfying within my peer group, know that both 148 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.039 are combated. I support Donald Trump and President Trump can. 149 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.559 Well you're a young guy. You're a young guy. You're 150 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.320 not at Harvard, but you're a young guy. 151 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.879 Right, No, but I might to law school. 152 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.039 No, but what if your how I'm trying to figure 153 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:13.519 how old are you? Thirty five? 154 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.399 A couple of years younger? 155 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:22.799 Okay, we're saying you're thirty three. Okay. And the point 156 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.840 that I'm trying to make is Harvard seems to be 157 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:32.399 willing to cooperate in this effort and to make things better. 158 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.559 If Trump sometimes, if he senses a weakness, he probably 159 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.879 tries to take advantage of that. But they can come 160 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.720 a point in time where he overplaces his hand and 161 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.159 I I and then Harvard can dig their heels. And 162 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:53.320 I would rather see him, uh work with Harvard. 163 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:55.879 I would like to see that too. 164 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.799 But imagine if we tried to work with columb I 165 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.000 mean we imagine if he tried to work with Kolombie. 166 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.320 I mean, look like the old deans Stephonic or whatever 167 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.480 her name was, not Staphonic. 168 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.600 Congress Stephanic who was who ran the the hearing in 169 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:17.320 which the presidents of Harvard, U, Penn m T were 170 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.399 questions and the Columbi. 171 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:19.879 You two, I go over a year ago. 172 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:22.080 It just seems I agree with you. It would be 173 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.159 great to work in you know, roundtable legislation to combat 174 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.639 this and get rid of it and to make and 175 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:32.399 to figure out. 176 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:36.559 The resignation of the University of Virginia president yesterday. 177 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.879 Uh, I hadn't heard about it, to be honest with you. 178 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.679 The University of Virginia, which is also one of the 179 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:49.320 really best universities in the country, resigned. So well, we'll see, 180 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.559 We'll love to see the next Matt is always appreciate you. 181 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.159 My friend, appreciate it. 182 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:56.279 Then, thank you much. 183 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.519 Good night. Let me go to my friend Harvey silver Glad, 184 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.799 who was checking in on his Harvey, I know you 185 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:06.919 are very close to this situation. What has Harvard done 186 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.879 substantively that they're referring to? 187 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.559 It is refused to bow down and kiss the knee 188 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:21.240 of Donald Trump. That is the only reason that Trump 189 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:22.639 is going after Harvard. 190 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:27.679 But tell me if you know, first of all, what 191 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.399 has Harvard done. Because I'm being critical of Trump here 192 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.679 or potentially overplaying his hand. It seems to me as 193 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.919 if I just read that statement, you're a lawyer, better 194 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.080 a lawyer than me or I could ever think of being. 195 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.279 But I thought that that statement from the Harvard spokesman 196 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:48.480 was interesting. Anti Semitism is a serious problem, no matter 197 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:49.159 the content. 198 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:54.440 Period is very frank, had been very frank. By the way, 199 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.240 Harvard has a Jewish president. I don't know if that matters, 200 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.559 but it might be factored in to the equation here. 201 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:08.399 Harvard has been very frank. It has this problem, it's 202 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.200 working on it. 203 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.080 By the way, I just want to read this sentence, Harvey, 204 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.879 because I think this supports what you're saying. Harvard has 205 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.879 taken substantive, proactive steps to address the to address the 206 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:26.039 root causes of anti semitism. In its meaning Harvard's community. 207 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.559 This was the statement from the from the communications director. 208 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:34.440 I believe that that is an admission statement, you know, 209 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:39.159 as a statement against interest. It's an acknowledgment that Harvard's saying, 210 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.039 we've dropped the ball and we're going to make it better. 211 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:43.440 Correct. 212 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:49.080 Why not take that as a victory? Trump? Does he 213 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.799 run the risk of overplaying his hand? My question? 214 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:57.639 Cos he does? He does, and the Harvard's going to 215 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.360 win in court now if they take it to the 216 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.440 Supreme Court, I'm not so sure, because Trump now controls 217 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:09.759 the Supreme Court is going to somebody's going to win. 218 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.480 So you're saying Harvard will win on the withholding of 219 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:19.120 federal moneys. Is that what you're saying. Yes, it's a 220 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.879 long fight and they are going to be without federal moneies. 221 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:28.039 It just seems as if Harvard is in Trump's cross heirs, 222 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.000 and no matter what Harvard is willing to acknowledge and 223 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.279 admit to, that's not going to be enough. 224 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:36.440 What do you think he wants? What do you think 225 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.320 it is going to be painful the remainder of the 226 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.720 Trump I've written to Alan Garber and John Manning about this. 227 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:51.600 It is going to be painful. For four years. But 228 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.320 Harvard has been around since sixteen thirty six. 229 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:56.360 That's great. 230 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.679 It's going to be around for a few hundred more 231 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.960 years at least, and Trump is going to be around 232 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.000 only four years. It's going to cost it's going to 233 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.680 cost them a lot of money, but it's going to 234 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.200 be worth it in the longer. They have about a 235 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:19.519 seventy six billion dollar endowment. They have to dig into 236 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:25.400 it and just write out these these three and a 237 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.920 half crazy years at in front of us. 238 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.920 Okay, so let us assume they're doing that. Okay, let's 239 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:37.079 take that. What substantively do you think Harvard can do. 240 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.920 Maybe there's nothing they can do to please Trump, but 241 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.920 what can they do to make it more comfortable for 242 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.640 Jewish and Israeli students on that campus? 243 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:51.559 Okay? You know that I'm a free speech absolutist. 244 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.000 I know that, tru I'm very much aware of that, 245 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:55.880 and that's why I'm asking the question. 246 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:01.720 Students have a right dispute hatred. They have a right 247 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:09.440 to protest Israel, to protest Judaism, to protest Jews. They 248 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.519 have a right to march. They do not have a 249 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:18.480 right to interfere with other students getting their education. They 250 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.599 do not have a right to interfere with the classes, 251 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.359 with students' ability to attend classes, with student's ability to study. 252 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.599 They can demonstrate, but they can't demonstrate so loudly that 253 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:39.240 they interrupt the business of Harvard University. Correct the traditional 254 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.480 free speech lines have to be drawn here. 255 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.799 Would it be helpful? And why has it not happened 256 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.599 that Jewish organizations, and there are Jewish organizations at Harvard 257 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.759 if they held a news conference and said, look, our 258 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.480 life here is better, better today than it was a 259 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.880 year ago, and we hope it will be better a 260 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.440 year from now than it is today. But the university 261 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.759 is moving in the right direction, and we commend the 262 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.680 administration for going in that direction. And we appreciate what 263 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:25.039 President Trump has done highlighting this problem. But there comes 264 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.400 a point in time where it maybe Harvard has to 265 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:35.480 self regulate and not face penalties, financial penalties from the government. 266 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.920 Why have the Jewish student organization has not come forward 267 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:41.680 with something like that, Harvey. 268 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:43.960 I don't know that, but I'm going to write a 269 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:45.920 letter to them and suggest it. 270 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.960 Well, thank you, thank you. You can tell them we 271 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.319 talked about it here on Night Side. Roy Pell as 272 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.759 always I appreciate your perspective. I think we both are 273 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:02.000 looking for the same goal. And I know that you've 274 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.319 negotiated with Trump yourself in your in your time as 275 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.079 as an attorney and found him to be very off putting, 276 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.279 and so you've seen this behavior before. I think sometimes 277 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:22.160 when the other side is acquiescingcept accept the the concession 278 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:28.680 claim victory. I don't think Donald Trump or the administration 279 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:35.599 needs to be appointing professorships at Harvard. I think that's 280 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.319 an absolute overreach and it will come back to haunt 281 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:46.920 the Republicans. Yes, thank you, Harvey. Right, Oh, talk soon, 282 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:47.640 Talk soon. 283 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:48.680 Good. 284 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.759 The only lines that we have opened right now are 285 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:56.960 the only line six one seven nine. I'd love to 286 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:58.680 hear from you on this. We're going to talk with 287 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.079 Laurie Bob in California, John and Pennsylvania, Lauri's and Melrose. 288 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.880 We got to so the six one, seven, two, five, four, 289 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:09.640 ten thirty lines are full six seven, nine, three, ten thirty. 290 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:15.039 I think that you have to commend Donald Trump for 291 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:20.759 pointing out this issue. Harvard is not denying this, Harvard 292 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:24.359 is agreeing to it and saying they are working on 293 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:26.640 it and they would like to continue to work on it. 294 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.200 I think there there is a point in time where 295 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.799 the president needs to say, we will monitor, we appreciate 296 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.480 what you have done. Let it. Let Harvard present a 297 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:44.279 president a report. I don't get it. I don't get it. 298 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.160 It's a serious issue, but I'd love to get your 299 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.279 take on it. And if I'm wrong, bring it on. Okay, 300 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.839 I'm willing to hear your point of view. We'll be 301 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.000 back on night Side after this. 302 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:03.839 It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston News Radio. 303 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.160 All right, let's get to the calls right away. Let's 304 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.200 go to Laurie and Melrose. Hey, Laurie, welcome next on Nightside. 305 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.200 Yes, Hi, Yes, I agree with you. I think it's 306 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.960 uh an ego issue because he made so many demands 307 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.640 months and whatever ago, and they weren't, you know, jumping 308 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:29.079 and to please him Trump. I think it's in all 309 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.319 an ego thing. He doesn't want anybody to go against him. 310 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.960 Everybody has to you know, He's even he's going after 311 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.759 his own members if they don't jump to vote for 312 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.640 what he wants. I think that's the issue, and it 313 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.440 goes back. I think to win the demonstrations months after 314 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.920 the cause of war was going on and they were 315 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.279 over you really, bombing and killing you know, citizens there 316 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.759 with you know, trying to get to the you know, 317 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.759 v Millins and all that was going on, and the 318 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.799 college students were demonstrating, and I think, you know, things 319 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:10.160 got heated and overdone, and bringing the Jewish students for 320 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.640 all this, some of them probably from that part of 321 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.440 the world, the ones that were demonstrating, and if people 322 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:21.680 were upset, and I mean, going with his comment about 323 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.440 the you know, student organizations or yours, you know, speaking up, 324 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.000 the Jewish studentization speaking up, I'm bothered by the I 325 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.839 have Jewish friends, and I'm bothered by the fact that 326 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:38.880 they haven't addressed the issue of the starvation in Gaza. 327 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.799 Of all the children are dying and the people are 328 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.799 starving to death. Why aren't they speaking up to their 329 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.000 you know, well, let me. 330 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:53.359 Ask you this question. Did Americans speak up when Germany 331 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.480 was being bombed in nineteen forty four? 332 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:58.000 Probably? 333 00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:58.640 Probably not. 334 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:00.960 I wasn't around and well. 335 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:03.160 I wasn't around here. Who was the first president of 336 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.200 the United States, Georgia Washington. I wasn't around that either, 337 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.240 But I know who that was. 338 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.079 I mean, I don't know what happened at that time. 339 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:16.240 But what I'm saying is the assault by Hamas on 340 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:25.279 elderly civilians and on babies was brutal, brutal. Now you 341 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:30.640 you pick on somebody and then Israel responds and they 342 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:36.759 want to root out Hamas from Gaza. And Hamas has 343 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:46.079 infiltrated itself into uh into the Palestinian society and they 344 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:51.119 built built tunnels under hospitals and under schools. So if 345 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.279 you're Benjamin Naton Yaho, do you say, well, right. 346 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.680 Now I'm talking a long, long, long time of bombing. 347 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.680 We're not talking at you know, going after them and 348 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.559 so forth. There haven't been a lot of consideration if 349 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.319 these people were stopping, you know, a while ago, and 350 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.799 they finally let some food in, and now it's back 351 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.759 to the point that there's not even medication. 352 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:19.680 When when when the humanitarian groups have have put habitation 353 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:20.920 to get in. 354 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.559 If you watch I watch patients, you know, face the 355 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:27.279 nation every week. I listened to that and you have 356 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.319 Republicans for Democrats and all sides speaking. 357 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.440 And but who do who do think who do you 358 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.240 think is ripping off the food and the medical supplies 359 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:37.920 that are coming in. 360 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.920 Do you think that the world health organizations are all 361 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.200 trying you win everybody, and they haven't been allowed in 362 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:46.119 by Israel. 363 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.400 I mean question of Israel. It's Hamas no how wrong 364 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.759 on that, Laurie. I must tell you when the when 365 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.599 the food gets in, Harmas has helped, has grabbed the 366 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:02.720 food and the medicine. They're more concerned about their fighters than. 367 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:03.319 They are about the. 368 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.519 Mowing down the people that are again. 369 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.640 You and I and you let me tell you, you 370 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:14.039 and I. 371 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:17.920 I know it's no. 372 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:19.759 You don't want to accept that any of that. So 373 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.720 I understand you. 374 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.839 I run a talk show in which people have like 375 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.519 you have a right to call and express yourselves. But 376 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.559 when you say things that I know are untrue and 377 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:38.119 are unfair to what Israel is trying to do, let 378 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.440 me ask you. I ask you a question. Could let 379 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.920 me see if if we can find a point of agreement. 380 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:49.839 Are you pleased with the UH the attack of the 381 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:54.400 US on the Iranian nuclear sites or not? 382 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:02.240 I am am, but I don't know if the timing 383 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.279 is the right time. It was a little bit you know, 384 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:11.559 working more and time given to the you know, diplomatic part. 385 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.319 But I'm not against it. I think was thought of 386 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.200 fifteen years ago as an idea, and it was reasons 387 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.680 for it. But I don't think we're finished. 388 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.279 I think this is just you know, you do you 389 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.599 think do you think Iran should have the right to 390 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.119 develop nuclear weapons? 391 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:31.279 Oh? 392 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.039 I don't have the right, but I'm saying that they know. 393 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:37.640 If they don't have the right, how do how do 394 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.839 we prevent them? Would it be a good thing if 395 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.880 Iran had a nuclear weapon or nuclear weapons? In your mind? 396 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359 What does that have to do with what we're talking about. 397 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.279 We're talking about every heart everything I brought up, the 398 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.799 fact I'm trying to I'm trying to plumb your mind, 399 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:58.039 Laurie and understand from where you from where you're coming. 400 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.480 That's all I was hoping that you will want to say, 401 00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.920