Speaker 1: Those are two different things. John, what's up? I'm you.
Speaker 2: Get up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Man a j uh So.
Speaker 2: I was bored?
Speaker 4: Uh an Orthodox?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: So mhm, what are the than you excuses?
Speaker 1: In uh?
Speaker 4: More of a surface questions in the Orthodox Church?
Speaker 1: I mean, there are schisms from the church, and there
can be points when certain patriarchs are out of communion,
but schism is a formal declaration where some group ends
up leaving the church.
Speaker 6: And today, I mean, can they continue naming themselves as
an Orthodox.
Speaker 1: Church or well? I mean, yeah, you can't stop people
from doing whatever they want to do. So, yeah, every
schismatic is going to say they're the true Orthodox.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: If you go to a church, how do you know,
you say.
Speaker 1: You find out if they're a canonical Orthodox church or
if they're non canonical.
Speaker 4: Okay, so just you do accume me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you? You just go
ask or you look at the website to see if
they're canonical or non canonical. Alpine, what's up? We got
some more super chats, guys. Even on a sports stream
you can do so there's superchats. Super chests are down
through stream labs. They don't take a cut, or you
can do it natively through YouTube. Adrian says for ten dollars,
I've been ranting about how I left Pantecostalism. I decided
to go to a liturgy with my family on Sunday.
Thank you for playing a part.
Speaker 8: Jay.
Speaker 1: Sorry if I was annoying at times, It's okay. We're
all annoying. You got to learn to laugh at yourself
and have fun though Midnight Light. Five dollars, Jay, I'm
glad you're alive. Many years to you and Jamie explain
explain the Orthodox perspective on death and christ heroing of Hades. Okay,
well that's a pretty long, in depth question for just
me to do that on the spot. But it turns
out I've actually done many podcasts on this for you guys.
So you can go down here to the bottom of
my page and you'll see where it's just traditional philosophy
and metaphysics episodes. If you scroll through over here to
Defensive Traditional Philosophy, etc. You'll see that there's this one
episode here, and then there's one here John Damascus. This
series with John Damascus and Atonement right here. This deals
with the descent into Hades and all of that, or
the clips channels also discuss heroing of Hades. Let's see
what we get h trinity, descent of Christ into Hades,
and the Holy Spirit of Pentecosts right here, Crucifixion explained
by Jay Dyer right here, deification of man, resurrection anthiosis
jay Dyer right here. So there are plenty of streams
going into significant depth already answering that question, I'll Pine,
what's up to the pagan guy in the chat? You're
welcome to call in. Usually we uh ask that people
come in debate if they want to take issue with anything.
There's the call in number right there, Alpine, i'mute or
we're moving on.
Speaker 9: Oh, I love you, Pappy, Jay. I've got two things
for you today, Yeah, two beautiful, beautiful things. So firstly,
I'm here to completely prove evolution. So, Bro, it's a
fact that we actually evolved from slugs fifty trillion years ago, right,
and I can prove this actually with the scientific documentary
called Transformers. Okay, So in this beautiful scientific documentary, we
can see that you have like the autobots, right and Bro,
originally their cars like through the scientific process of evolution,
like they say, let's roll out, and then they evolve
into humanoid beings.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like it, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Time to pack it up. We're done. I'm refuted. Career
is over exactly.
Speaker 10: Bro.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Bro, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I love you Jay Well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving me the strong medicine that I need.
It's time to take.
Speaker 9: You know, it was it was really hard, but you know,
I had.
Speaker 12: Someone had to do it.
Speaker 9: And secondly, I wanted a serious note. So if the
groups do kind of just skid out of a lit
away from the church, and by following you does go
and become a Catholic, what's going to happen ecclesiastically? Like
would that just be a new pagtriarch that gets elected
or the Greeks just completely skis him?
Speaker 4: Because I don't think this is I could.
Speaker 9: Be wrong, but I don't think this has happened before
in recent church history.
Speaker 4: So in the last one hundred years.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it would be more like it, right,
So it would be like the you know, Reunion of Florence.
This is like a repeat of the geopolitical machinations behind
the false Union of Florence. It's like a mirrored example,
it's almost identical to that. That's what we're going through.
I'm saying. So now I don't know of a modern
analog to this. The other analog would be the ten
to fifty four schism. So my assessment, my guess, would
be that it will basically just be a split down
the middle of the Orthodox Church. But it's actually not
even ultimately, I mean, it's not good, but providentially it
won't be a bad thing because it's a winnowing fan
to separate the week from the chap. All of these
skittles people that want to go do but stuff in Rome,
just go do it, man, get out of here. You
just saw the Finnish EP, the Finnish church under the
EP saying they want the church to be a safe
space for Tier A n Z people. So good, Yeah,
go to Rome, like I want all those people to
go to Rome. Rome can be a giant gay bathouse.
It already is, so just go do that. That's best
for us ibo hack. I'm being serious too, Like, no,
these people should convert to Rome falsism because that just
makes Rome excel. I'm an accelerationist when it comes to
these people going to Rome. There we go, I'm over
here being a dark Enlightenment neo reactionary Curtis Jarvin, but
only for Roman Catholics accelerating by becoming more and more Skittles.
What's up, man, I'm you ibo hack.
Speaker 13: I'm a recent Orthodox three years and I've been trying
to learn studying all this stuff, and I just got
into the history of like Evagrios and his and it's
kind of mind blowning because I was reading Sinking Maximus
and said the notes kept saying that, well, he got
a lot of this from a Vagrios. So I look
him up and he's like, oh, he's been anathematized, and
so I was kind of curious.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the same with the Cappadocians in Origin, right,
So they weren't very influenced by Origin, but that doesn't
make them heretics, because they were influenced. I mean, everybody
in the history of the Church, particularly you know, very
philosophically minded theologians, will be influenced by certain people. Maximus,
for example, as proto Deacon doctor Patrick has shown, was
influenced by neo Platonis, unfortunately in some areas where he
got some things wrong. So there's nothing wrong with saying
that same Maximus got things wrong or that he was
too neoplatonic at times, because you're going to find out
as you get deeper and deeper into the church Fathers,
there's no single individual church father that's infallible.
Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, i'd do like the way I think it
was you or somebody said that they compensate for each
other's each other's missteps. So I think what I was
wondering too, is anathema is so serious and h Like
I read about a Agarus and some people were arguing that,
like a lot of suftings, he was anathematizing like Origin,
like very posthumous, like one hundred and fifty years later.
Speaker 1: Well, no, actually he was. He was also an athematized
in his own day. So it's not people have this
lie that, oh Origin wasn't condemned until years later.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Actually, Saint Optitus, I think, is the one that condemned
him in his own day.
Speaker 11: Oh there you go.
Speaker 13: I was going to ask you think that they ever
make a mistake when they do that, because sometimes these
can get attributed. You're kind of like today with quotes
on the internet, lots of stuff gets attributed decise No.
Speaker 1: So in the case of origin, the whole system of
origin is condemned at the sixth Ecumenical Council when it
accepts the letter of Saint Sophronius of Jerusalem. So the
patriarch of Jerusalem, Santophronius, wrote an entire confession of faith
that has a four page reputation of the entire system
of origin, and the six Ecumenical Council accepts that definition.
So that means that it also condemns the system of origin.
Speaker 13: I appreciate the knowledgeable clarification.
Speaker 4: Thank you for reading all these books so I don't have.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, no, I appreciate your compliment there. And those
are great questions. I welcome those kinds of questions actually
make that, you know, iron sharpens iron. I know that's
kind of corny cliche phrase, but it really is true
at times. Nathan Nathaniel Asberry Okay, and yeah, or Evagrius
was influenced by origin. I thought that was right. What's up, man, Nathaniel,
I'm mute, oy.
Speaker 11: The it is notifying me that I was invited.
Speaker 14: Hello, Jay, I made this tax.
Speaker 12: Account just to call him because I usually hate the
social media.
Speaker 11: But I got two things real quick. I'll to talk
about the papacy. Reminded me. I was at Debate con
last month and I was one thing Ridmond said in
his debate pique me. So I wanted to talk to him.
That he strives to be Orthodox.
Speaker 12: So I'm hoping, you know, maybe he can evolved from
her disposed of his Zionism.
Speaker 11: But there's a weird Catholic lady.
Speaker 12: He was hanging out with them, probably from we spring,
you know, nastiness in his ears about becoming a papist
or whatever.
Speaker 11: And very quickly she went into.
Speaker 4: The uh the word uh.
Speaker 12: Cognitive dissonance of you know, affirming the papcy and denying
things that it is.
Speaker 1: It's hard to hear you who you said, Rid Vaughan
is trying to be Orthodox. And then you said something
about what who are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 11: I was at the bacon and.
Speaker 1: I heard all that rid Von, But who who debated?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 11: Some liberal Muslim scholar who was.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and so what about papism?
Speaker 12: Oh so there was a Catholic lady who interjected in
my conversation with Bridvan after the debate and so presenting
all the stuff about how the papacy is inconsistent and
it doesn't.
Speaker 11: You know, live up to what the.
Speaker 12: Promises are, and she did theticling, oh, I don't have
to accept that, and so it just evolved into, you know,
we agreed to disagree, and uh. She especially was reading
some kind of book about how to respond to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 11: And I kind of shut the whole conversation. Every thing,
you know, you can't and that is just a you
encounter in the real world even and it's not just online.
That's mainly what I was pointing to. And secondly, it
was great media at the conference and one of this
group providential things. My current assigned reading from.
Speaker 12: My priest or CD cases is Towards Transfigured Life by
Stanley Rockets, and I was amazed at how this book
from the eighties I'm reading on the flight home.
Speaker 11: It's talking about a bunch of things that you and
FDA were talking about in the conference.
Speaker 12: So just as a contrast, you know, everybody, the Orthodox
position is consistent across the generations, and it's coherent way
more than this stupid thing where you put one guy
on the pest one office on a pedestal, and all
the you.
Speaker 11: Know, statements that come from that. So God bless Jay.
Thanks for bringing me out.
Speaker 1: Thank you and glad to meet you at the conference
as well. Appreciate that the book does sound pretty cool.
Might have to get that Stanley Rockets, gotcha, Josh? What's up?
Speaker 2: Dog?
Speaker 1: Lemon Roue says for ten dollars, Jay, Jay, Philio, Queenie Hut,
Robotistan equip his historian schism, tell me a bedtime story,
Happy birthday, Little Willow. So proud of you, Christ be
with us, j Team fourteen dollars. I think the criteria
for what a cult is confusing, seems more like an
insult with no regard to the definition. I don't see
how Joe's Witnesses are technically a cult. Well, I mean,
Joe's witnesses make you shun your family members that aren't
Joe's witnesses. They have absurd, incoherent, arbitrary standards for no
blood transfusions, can't celebrate birthdays. I mean, they're one h
percent of cult. What's up, man, Gosh, yeah, Hey, what's up?
What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 7: So, yeah, you're talking about a lot of stuff that's
been on my mind. It's pretty providential. Maybe so I'm
in the Antiochian Archdiocese, and I try to pay attention
to what's cool on politically of stuff.
Speaker 4: And are you familiar with Word magazine?
Speaker 1: I mean I think I read it like maybe like
back in two thousand and seven and eight, I thought
it was it was I remember that they actually had
some good articles back then, but I've not kept up
with him since then.
Speaker 7: Gotcha, gosh, it's cool with you know, it's our archdiocese newsletters,
you know, magazine.
Speaker 4: We get it so often.
Speaker 7: But just kind of going along with the political environment
right now. I noticed a couple of things that in
isolation I would shrug off, but I found, you know,
maybe a quirte an eyebrow in combination. So the first
one was an address where they were, you know, praising
some commi Anglicans work in South Africa, you know, just
charitable or whatever, but kind of the character you probably
wouldn't want to praise.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then in that same one, they were addressing the
concerns about the quote unquote quality of category human they're
bringing in.
Speaker 4: And my mind to me is like, do you mean
right leaning people? You know, your church, right that's.
Speaker 11: You know, and we're not go arch but we're not
ro Corps either.
Speaker 7: You know, we're in a diocese where can kind of
swing either way, and I'm just wondering, Uh, you know
what perspective you have on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean there's you know, Antiochi in
arch diocese has problems as well. There's a humanism being
pushed there. For sure. You're going to have these feminists
skittle stuff being pushed everywhere. So everybody just needs to
prepare and think about there's no perfect jurisdiction. I mean
there's ro Corps had an Antifa deacon forever. I don't know,
he probably still is one, Like when is when are
they going to get rid of this guy?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 1: So you're not going to find perfection in the jurisdictions.
And unfortunately, given all the stuff that we're seeing geopolitically
with you Knowed Wilson, people saying they want to come
after the Orthodox Church, the EP's out here saying let's go,
let's unite with let's do bus stuff with Rome. I mean,
it's just getting bad, so prepare for it to get
even worse. Now, in the long run, we don't have
to worry about it because that's gonna be good because
all of these phonies are just gonna go do their thing, good, fine, go,
and people don't understand it's it's ultimately providentially a separating
a week from Chef. It's gonna be tough, like it.
It's gonna be difficult. There's gonna be a lot of challenges.
But what do we just see with this finish ep
jurisdiction statement, Just like we've been saying, the real reason
for the acumenis stuff and time to go back to
Rome and time to do this, and that it's gonna
immediately be as soon as that gets pushed and it's oh,
we have to open up the church to be a
safe space. So they're gonna immediately it's gonna be very clear.
Like what I'm saying is you're not going to get tricked,
You're not going to be a bait and switch. It's
going to be very clear that like, hey, my priest
is talking about uniting with Rome and then suddenly he's
going to do a gay wedding, Like it's going to
be open like the Oca church here communes a Skittles
couple openly, So you're not going to have a hard time.
Like I don't know what's going on?
Speaker 4: What do I do?
Speaker 1: Like they're going to be very open about it. It's
gonna be very easy for you to see Richie, what's up, Richie,
rich what's up?
Speaker 11: Dog?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 16: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 16: Well, first off, I want to say I'm a kind
of cuma right now. You're kind of one of the
aspirations for me to look into the church and whatnot,
go into a Greek Orthodox parish had a little bit
of a question though, in terms of like schooling, do
you think that we should be introducing kind of some
of these like Christian principles into school there?
Speaker 4: Kind of what's view on that.
Speaker 1: Into schooling? I mean, yeah, your kids need to be
homeschool what do you mean?
Speaker 17: Okay, So like where I'm at, you know, it's you know,
I'm in Los Angeles, so homeschooling is pretty much unheard of.
Do you think, you know, kind of separating them children
from their peers is like would be ultimately beneficial or
kind of?
Speaker 18: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Bro, your state is already like coming to
clip off gender stuff. Bro, Halo, what's up?
Speaker 11: J team?
Speaker 1: You mind think it's arbitrary from their worldview, but they
would ground those things in the Bible. I'm not saying
they would get it right. Do you have objections to
Catholic beliefs? Are they a cult? No, The Job's Witnesses
do not ground their beliefs in the Bible. They have
a fake, made up New World Translation that they use.
It is not the Bible. So again, you need to
educate yourself more on the specifics of the Joe's Witnesses
to understand that they have a made up Bible that
changes things like John one. Every copy of John one
prior to the New World Translation says in the beginning,
was the word the words with God. The word was God.
The Joe's Witnesses fake Bible says in the beginning, was
the word the word was a God. So no, the
Joe's Witnesses are absolutely occult. In fact, they're even used
by the CIA as a form of soft power and
espionage in other countries. What's up, Uh, Halo can't connect,
So sorry, dude, josh what's up, Joshua? What's up? Joshua Christensen?
Are you there? Do you want to talk?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Turn your mic on, guys, you want to come on underwater?
What's up? Yeah? A lot of churches of homeschooling groups too,
by the way, which means that your kids can be
around other kids.
Speaker 4: Hello, yeah, yeah, I've.
Speaker 19: So I have like this friend right who's like completely
new to like Christianity, and right now I'm like trying
to get her so far, I'm telling her to just
read the Bible and watch your videos in terms of
educating herself. But I'm wondering what advice you would give
her if you're in my position, because she's like completely now.
Like usually people are like who are listening to you
or like some sort of convert of like Catholic Protestant,
so they have like a pretty long history of reading
the Bible and trying and understand Christianity at least that's
what the vibe and getting off.
Speaker 4: Of your or that's usually what the case is. Is
the video paused? Why is my thing frozen?
Speaker 1: What's your question?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 19: Yeah, Well, what exactly would you recommend for someone who's
like just completely like like straighten it like fresh pizza
paper or something.
Speaker 1: I would say, watch something like the Icon documentary, which
is the best for a a new convert, but also
that would be better for for ladies. It's not it's
it's not optatus. It's the other bishop that has an
O name. Let's try it this way. I always go,
always get this guy mixed up with Optatus. Origin was
condemned in his days. People are asking me, and this
is a question. We've covered this like a million times.
Speaker 11: M h.
Speaker 1: H uh, Well I didn't know that Demetrius of Alexandria
condemned Origin. But there's another. There's another saint. Let's see
what saint condemned origin in his Methodius. Sorry, Saint Methodius
condemned Origin in his day. I think that's right. K No,
that's not right. There is one I just can't always
get that. I think that it's somebody in the chat
will remember because we've we've done this multiple times on
the on the stream. I think it's Methodius. If anybody
can remember this, I've saved it. I just don't remember.
I always get this saint mixed up with Optimus, but
it might be Methodius. Uh, FDA do you recall? What
do you what's on your mind? FDA? You want to
I mute?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Did you want to say something?
Speaker 11: I can't remember?
Speaker 4: I think Atius, but I don't have access to.
Speaker 2: Pull it up.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me try it different. Let me try this.
Speaker 4: What do you think it is? Why do people want
to salvage origin so much?
Speaker 1: They are there's a push for that because he's he
fits with globalization. What do you mean originism fits with
globalization because he teaches neoplatonism and perennialism. So there's an
establishment like Fordham pushes. Like Fordham wrote a gigantic few
years ago, like thousand page like Rehabilitation of Origin.
Speaker 4: There's a theology professor at the college I work out.
He loves, like we're getting into it about Origin. He
was like, he was always willing to be corrected. But
I found recently some commentary on Origin that just to
the opposite that he was actually because what do we
always say, harrisy isn't getting something theologically wrong. It's a persistence,
a stubborn persistence and air due to pride.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly. That's why there's nothing wrong with later
condemnations because and by the way, it is Saint Methodius
of Olympus. That's why I was getting that mixed up
with Saint Optitus of Malivas. It's Saint Methodius of Olympus
who write a treatise on the Resurrection condemning the heterodox
views of origin anyway. But you're yeah, that's that's what
it is, Sieged. What's up?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 11: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Hey, yeah, I'm a catechumen in the Orthodox Church. But
I actually had a geopolitical question. I just finished reading
Black Gold Spies and there was a guy at my
previous church who worked for Blackwater, and at the end
of the book he mentions that the CIA utilizes Blackwater,
and I was wondering if you had any like insight
into that.
Speaker 1: No, I think that was pretty well known.
Speaker 18: Uh.
Speaker 1: That came out, you know during back in the time
of like Desert Storm and all that, you know, the
war in Iraq. That was all a lot of talking points.
Even Alex Jones was covering that back in the in
the two thousands. So yeah, I don't. I don't think
there's I mean, that's it's pretty uncontroversial.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, glad you read that book. What'd you
think of it?
Speaker 8: I thought it was really eye opening, fascinating.
Speaker 18: There are so many names that I didn't I've never
heard of, and I've been trying to explain some of
this stuff to some of my like Zionist family members,
Like the Middle East isn't what you like are told
it is, and it's all set up by these like
these like agencies are these.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, set up by the power blocks. It's carved
up you know, psychs, pico, et cetera.
Speaker 18: And what's what's hard for me to understand is like
I can't tell if somebody like I think it was
that Philby who.
Speaker 1: Converted to.
Speaker 10: Islam, but did he actually or was it just like
a like I find that stuff interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well John Brennan is supposedly assuni right, he's
a Marxist. Soon they fake it.
Speaker 18: It's crazy to me that probably probably to go that
far for your Like, I just don't know what's motivating them, Like,
I just I can't figure out why they would be.
Speaker 10: So willing to believe like a religion they don't agree with.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you listen to the Andrew Bustamante interviews,
like he's very candid, he's like, I mean, see recruits psychopaths,
so like, they don't they don't have any conscience about lying.
So it's like, and I don't have a problem lying.
I mean you're basically you know, you're an actor, you're
pretending to be something you're not. So that's you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this guy, this guy at my church, he's like,
or used to be at my church.
Speaker 18: He was a mercenary for the US government.
Speaker 10: Through Blackwater Open and he like would openly tell us
and circles this, but then he would he also worked
in oil, and I was like, after I read that, I.
Speaker 18: Was like, oh, dude, I wish I could go talk
to this guy and ask him more questions what he knows.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's crazy though, Like he's like, yeah, well,
maybe it'd be better to not ask him a bunch
of those questions. But yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, yeah,
use use your discernment when it comes to you know,
who's we're talking to and who's not. But j Team
says again for fourteen, the criteria for what you're calling
occult is confusing. It seems like an insult.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 1: In the case of Joe's witnesses, I mean, one of
my best friends grew up in it and his dad
left and it was a gigantic national news story. He
was on OPRAH. I mean, I know all about it,
So I'm not speaking from a lack of wisdom. And
inside about Joe's Witnesses. I've debated Joe's Witnesses. I'm very
familiar with it, and I'm not calling it a cult.
Willy nilly. Now, you actually do have a good point
here that, well, what you think is a cult is
going to be based on your paradigm and your worldview.
That's correct, And because I think orthox Christianity is true, Yes,
I'm going to say that Roman Catholisis can be cult like,
Protestantism could be conceivably cult like. But even within I mean,
you could have a crazy monastery in the Orthodox world
that is cult like. That's happened before. Sure, So there's
not a self evident definition of what is a quote
cult because there's some flexibility in the the specifications are
somewhat fuzzy. So I actually agree with you on that point.
But I am specifically saying, from the Orthodox paradigm and
from my worldview, Joe's Witnesses are a cult, not just
because the religious beliefs and the practices and the control
that they have or their lives their parishioners, but also
from the sense of being used as a form of
soft power in other countries for espionage and that's admitted
as a fact. So all of those things absolutely make
it a cult. Giovanni Garcia five dollars. Satan after Christ
redeemed us is like the the the scammer meme, do
not redeem sad gnome Goblin gifted memberships. Thanks man, appreciate that.
Penniwits ten dollars. I'm playing Devil's advocate for the Protestant mind.
What would orthodoxally provide that Protestantism does not in terms
of salvation? Could you elucidate that in terms of layman's terms?
What about doing good works? I mean, I think you
could list all kinds of things that Orthodoxy provides or
Protestism doesn't. So yeah, I mean deeds would be I mean,
orthodox doesn't provide the deeds, but it has the requirement
that you demonstrate that you have faith by your works.
But also again, Orthodox ecclesiology teaches that we have the
sacraments and the grace necessary for salvation, et cetera, and
we do not believe that the other groups, cults and
sects possess that grace. Now that doesn't mean they have
no grace, but they don't have the sacramental grace and
the aid and the medicine of immortality that we do.
So you have to come into the arc, which is
the church. And this goes back to unashamed Apologetics's question.
He says, for ten dollars, you misunderstood my question. Jay,
I didn't ask you what Orthodoxy claims. Catholics also claim
sacraments in succession. I asked what is unique to Orthodoxy
that I objectively lose by remaining Protestant. Yeah, but you
can't disassociate the paradigm and the claims. So the fact
that Roman Catholcs claim that has nothing to do with
whether or not Orthodoxy possesses that. So this is a
common mistake that people make when it comes to this question,
especially a lot of Protestants. Right they'll say stuff like, well,
how do I know that your church is the one
that's true? Because Roman Catholics make the same claims. Every
cult and sect pretty much claims it is true. That's
irrelevant to which one is true. You see, so you're
go ahead.
Speaker 4: That's so confused they do. Yeah, women, It reminds me
of when Socrates says, I'm not concerned with doaks I believe,
but at the stema So of course, it's the very
nature of belief that what you believe is true. Right,
So it's stupid to even state that that, well, this
person believes their position is true.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 20: There's not a.
Speaker 4: Person out there that believes that beliefs are false truly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a it's an irrelevant statement.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a stupid thing to say. So the
question is is it and what's the justification for that?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Protestantism, even on its own grounds, doesn't possess efficacious sacraments, right,
I mean most Protestantism, and I assume you're in some
sort of a you know, mainline kind of Protestant church,
they don't believe that they're sacraments possess the grace that
the sacrament signifies. The sacraments quote unquote are symbols for
most Protestants. So to answer your question specifically, if Jesus
says to et my flesh and drink my blood and
he means more than symbol, well there's your answer right there.
Your church doesn't have the flesh.
Speaker 4: And the blood and it doesn't produce saints. Yeah, exactly,
Like look what Protestant is you know, there might be
like genuinely like nice people. And I don't want to
use the word nice, but generally good people, not saints.
And that's why I always encourage people. Don't when you're
studying Orthodoxy, don't just study the theology, read the lives
of the saints, and you'll start to realize there's something
special and unique about Orthodoxy and they're not like Roman
Catholic saints. That's what's really interesting. And if you want that,
if you see how amazing that actually is, well, only
Orthodoxy has that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a question of claims, it's a question
of who's right and who's wrong. Pufferfish says, when are
you going to be the behemoth borrow next? I don't
have any have no idea. I don't think Eric wants
to ever do it. Debate. I have no idea, but
I doubt it. Vincent five dollars Jay, I'm curious about
Orthodox theology. I would like to attend a Sunday liturgy.
What type of Orthodox would you recommend? I mean, I
would say probably Russian Orthodox Church, Serving Orthodox Church, Romanian
Antiochian in that order. Maybe I don't know. Giovanni five
dollars Jay, Just curious, do you disagree with all evolutionary
theory pretty much. I mean, I don't have a problem
with natural selection or you know, micro evolution, so to speak.
But I don't believe that there's a common ancestor, or
that one species transmutes into another, that bear start bear,
DNA starts printing whale code. I don't believe any of
that true. And again, I'm happy to hear a convincing argument.
I've been in academia and listen to professors refuting my
worldview supposedly since I was nineteen, and they've never presented
to me a convincing argument. Now, I'm not being Matt dillahunty.
I'm not saying it's false because no one has presented
an argument. I'm saying that's that's just a biographical detail.
So I'm saying that because any atheist or scienceyientism man
is welcome to call in. We had a few already today.
They didn't do very well, as you can see, Schmieven,
what's up that one guy that called in with the
skittle's voice. All he wanted to do was argue about Now, father,
he gonna ask you this question because we had an
atheist in here before you got here. Did you hear
him this this? Okay, let's see if you agree with this.
I said no, no, no, let me ask you qu
so you're the professor. Let's get the professor's take on it.
And Professor Fda will disagree with me if I'm wrong,
So he might actually back up the Sotheist. We'll see
if I said that all arguments are if I said not,
all claims are contradictions. In other words, you might have
an argument that's an assertion and it's without evidence, but
that doesn't make it a contradiction. So in other words,
he was saying, you think that that you know, evolutionary
biology and it's its theory of origins is false because
it is incoherent. And I said yes, And he says,
so what contradiction does that entail? And I said, it
doesn't entail a contradiction. I think it's an incoherent argument.
It just is a meaningless type of statement. It's an assertion.
And he said, well, no, it must be a contradiction.
Show the contradiction. I said, no, No, something can be
an assertion without evidence and has nothing to do with contradictions.
It's just an assertion.
Speaker 4: Yes, So I've noticed this before too, that people think
that the only way something can be wrong is if
it generates a contradiction.
Speaker 1: Exactly, That's what he was arguing.
Speaker 4: Clearly that can't be the case. I mean, think about
historical or empirical events right right where you state something
false about it's false, it doesn't mean there's a contradiction.
Speaker 1: And what you said, that's exactly what I was trying
to convey to him and get that.
Speaker 4: So you could be factually So let's think about the ways,
all the different ways that you could be incorrect. You
could be systemically incorrect in the sense of, like you said,
that's just an incoherent and by incoherent, I don't mean
it generates contradictions.
Speaker 1: But no, like if I said, atheism is true because
of feeble fobble z ebel double yeah.
Speaker 4: Or you just have a bunch of beliefs that are
not connected in any way logically or something like that.
So it's just kind of incoherent. It's just a kind
of a story that could be incorrect. Number two, Something
could be factually incorrect, mm hmm. Something could be logically
incorrect that it generates a contradiction. Something could be semantically incorrect,
it's not a meaningful statement, but not a contradiction, but
not a contradiction. So it is this weird thing. We've
seen this on the discord too, where people are like, like,
show how it's a contradiction.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. That's what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bizarre. I'm trying to think of other ways.
So it was about four or five.
Speaker 1: Well, what if I said, what if I said, look,
evolution is just true because I had a dream that
it's true. Like, that's an assertion. It's not a good justification,
it's it's a it's a bad line of reasoning, but
it doesn't involve a contradiction, right exactly.
Speaker 21: Or for example, let's say you make about like like
you said, a bad argument or something that's invalid or.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it might be possible. Then take that out
at kind of a higher level and then like generate
a contradiction. But why is just say it's wrong because
it's a bad argument. Let's think about this too. Informal
fallacies are.
Speaker 1: Not contradictory, not all exactly. There's plenty of ways to
be wrong without it being just a contradiction.
Speaker 4: You can have it Spurgie, it was.
Speaker 1: John Adams, what's up?
Speaker 11: Serious?
Speaker 22: The speaking of the contradiction wouldn't punctuated equilibrium contradict previous darwinisms.
Speaker 1: It would, but they would just say that, well, our
theories are theories, and the strength of it is that
it can be revised and updated with new information, and
so that's why we don't believe dogma like you theists.
Speaker 22: That would be that would be normal if it wasn't
taught in school.
Speaker 1: As fact exactly.
Speaker 4: So it's like that.
Speaker 22: That that goofball who called in earlier. I thought, I
mean I heard, I heard when he called in, and.
Speaker 4: He was he's being a jerk.
Speaker 22: He thought he was really smart.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that an atheist that thinks that they're
really smart and they're making basic mistakes? Okay, it's hard
to believe, but it does occur, Uh, Lucas, what's up?
By the way, I thought this was funny. This was
something that h Browsei shared. I guarantee you the guy
that sent this to I'm assuming it was sent to
this orthodox girl, Catherine, and she was laughing because this
guy was being a sad sump, like total beta and
like no replies, and he just keeps saying please madam, Madam, madam,
let's get married. I bet you he thinks I'm mean.
I'll bet you. I guarantee you that guy does not
like me. What's up, Luca?
Speaker 4: Hey, Tay can hear me?
Speaker 23: We chatted once before about the Trinity. I asked you
a question, and well, I appreciate you taking the time.
I'm coming from a Protestant background and I've been hearing
a lot about what you've been saying about Orthodoxy lately,
and it's got me wrestling with some ideas. And I
realized I don't know what I don't know yet, and
these are some just raw questions that I have in
my head that I'm trying to wrap my mind around.
Speaker 4: And so I'm not here for a debate, but I
was hoping I could ask you just two questions. That's okay, sure.
Speaker 23: So my first question would be I've heard you talk
about the candidacity of scripture a lot and how that's
a very defeating argument for Protestantism. But just to understand
what you know about Protestantism, not that I know anymore,
I really don't, but just to understand where you're coming from.
What would you if you were to steal man, the
best Protestant argument towards the kind oficity of scripture?
Speaker 4: What would you say that is?
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe something like because there was a
historical flexibility with what was considered canon in different sensors
of the church. Maybe if somebody argued something like, well,
why couldn't it be the Protestant canon? I don't know,
maybe something like that, but I'm just kind of thinking
up the top of my head.
Speaker 23: And as a follow up to that, is there an
And I don't know very much about this is just
what I've heard from other people saying that during the
times of the ecumenical councils, they put some books in
the Bible and then they took some out and then
they put them making again something.
Speaker 1: Along those No, that's not true. I've never heard anything
like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1: That's good to know. And I mean, no ecumenical counsel
did that. I mean there were times when different like
canonical lists in church law differed from this or that
church father's list. But that's not an acumenical council sticking
in and taking out books. That never happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's good to know.
Speaker 11: Thank you.
Speaker 23: I appreciate the correction there and one last question, and
I may be misrepresenting you here, so please correct me
if I'm wrong, because I really don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: But far, I've heard you say that.
Speaker 23: In Paul's epistle to Timothy, he refers to the things
you've heard me say in the presence of many witnesses
right from his three year ministry ephesis. I've heard you say,
and again, correct me if I'm wrong that certain traditions
came from that, like apostolic succession and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, that's not what I said. Okay, No,
I said that. That text just simply demonstrates that Paul
is telling Timothy to pass on all of the things
that Paul taught him for three years, day and night
in ephesis. I'm not saying saying that that necessarily included
specifically some oral tradition of appoltic succession, because I think
the two letters to Timothy explicitly teach in a written
form apostolic succession.
Speaker 4: Right, and okay, I understand.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, Jay, I know that's okay. Did
you I mean you feel free to ask anymore or
whatever you want? You're not you have good vibes. Man,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 23: I'm honestly, yeah, I can tell I feel like I'm like,
I'm struggling with some of these questions, and I'm trying
to go to people to ask these questions, to as
the church that I go to and some other Protestant
pastors and more and more I see the reasoning behind Orthodoxy,
not Catholicism, because man, that's that's just that's just weird.
Speaker 4: But you know, and I don't have a lot of
people that I can go to when it.
Speaker 1: Comes to Orthodoxy, and you're the one of the few
I know. Well, feel free to ask whatever.
Speaker 8: Man, thank you for now.
Speaker 23: I really don't have much I got to and just
a little more research.
Speaker 4: But I hope you could welcome me sometime in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime. I mean, we do this. We do this
multiple times a week, so yeah, feel free to call
in whenever. Schmieven guys would hit like and shared like
and shared, hit like and share, share from Sonny and
share if you believe in life after love, I can
hear something aside me say, I really don't think you're
strong and uh, hit like and share a C H
E R. Gypsy stamps and thieves in the audience if
you wouldn't like and share, and I got a lot
of things I want to talk about. I'm having fun.
Today has actually been really good. This is like classic
you know when we had a lot of the atheists
calling in. This is like a classic day. And if
you didn't see the refute that the response to Professor Dave,
I didn't realize. Professor Dave futured me and Jim Bob
on his channel. We gave it about five minutes and
Professor Dave was even worse than I expected. I mean,
like today's atheists are actually making They're making like JF
look like a king, you know what I mean. This
isn't a buzz up.
Speaker 6: But because there is a computer on another planet, I
would rather be debating JF than like Professor Griff or
whatever his name was, Like Professor Dave was was just
garbage tier dude.
Speaker 1: All he was doing was just calling everybody retards and
insulting people, no actual arguments. His only argument was, look,
it's just what it is. There's no meaning to words,
or to life, or to purpose or to biology. It
just is and it does what it does. There's no
meaning to it has no coherence, t los it just
is it just does that and literally just calling us
retards for like five minutes.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: Like, I guess if you're a reddit blasted mind reddit
mind blasted person like you would find that convincing. But
anybody with I guess iq over subshera Africa would probably
not find makes SMI even, what's up, man, I'm you.
Speaker 4: Hey, I was down there. I was actually down there
at the conference.
Speaker 1: In Florida, which was great, thank you. Yeah, we had
a lot of we had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm reading the whim Hoff, the legendary whim
Hoff book.
Speaker 1: Are you the guy that was, like the one guy
that actually is reading it? Yes? Yeah, I remember we.
Speaker 4: Had the awkward fist bump.
Speaker 1: You might remember that. I remember that bumped me and
I tried to shake and I wrapped my hand now
and then you you did a limp wristed, weird skittles
thing and not I'm joking that and that's just joke.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Uh So in reading that book, uh, he talks about
Pope Leo the thirteenth in cyclicals and uh he was
talking about one liver toss that I want to read
but I wanted to ask, is there any any red
flags that.
Speaker 1: I should look out for in those things? Because I
really kind of want to read them. They sound based,
and I don't know. I've read all of Leo's and cyclicals.
It's a giant seven page book from Tan Books. I
read it all. I mean, there's this, you know, standard
papal stuff in there. But no, actually, you know, anybody
in our sphere who's grounded in Orthodoxy, it would be
very useful to be aware of those things. So no,
you're you're not gonna you're not going to like get
mind mind washed and mind controlled into becoming a papist
by reading Leos and cyclicles. In fact, Edward Denny's book
is a great reputation of Santist good medium in the
first few chapters and then also the I think the
Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs, if I recall, is also
maybe a response to Leo the thirteenths and cyclicals, but
it's great. The reason it's good to read those is
because particularly, uh, you know, he's got good statements against
like Masons and Freemasonry. Okay, well, actually, I would let
me put this way, if I was going to read
unless you just really want to read a bunch of
lee with thirteens and cycle rules, which would be really boring.
Just get the Tan Books Book sixteen Papal Documents because
that actually has I think his in cyclical against Freemasonry
in it, and really that's the one that's the most relevant.
But I mean libert is that Libertos praised on TC
most as we were talking about. I think, so, yeah,
that's it. I remember that one. I mean, you can
read what you want to. A lot of them are
going to be kind of boring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interested in that and in the political
stuff mostly trying.
Speaker 1: To oh yeah, well if you're interested in that. Yeah,
if you are, that's right, If you're interested in that
type of stuff, then you probably would want to read that.
That's correct, Okay. And yeah that one is on human liberty. Yeah,
I remember that, appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: Also, I was remembering the Book of Wisdom and uh,
the Look of Wisdom has a great statement about Sotheists. Yes,
you're hear Mar. Does you know the Book of Wisdom
actually covers the Sotheists. It's Wisdom too, And I actually
covered this in my book as Stir CALLI with three
about Planet of the Apes. So I was watching Planet
of the Apes, and I was thinking about how much
of a like Darwinian silly kind of narrative it was.
But this is talking about the Sotheists and wisdom. It
says they reason unsoundly. Oh wait a minute, So you
mean that atheism is irrational. You mean the Bible is
actually saying atheism is irrational. That means it's indefensible. That
means you can do apologetics. They say to themselves, life
is short. There's no remedy. Man comes to an end.
No one is coming back from the dad. We are
all born by Cham's exactly what you heard.
Speaker 20: Professor Dave. Oh my gosh, Professor Dave. He says we're
all meaningless chance beings. But also listen to Professor Dave's
apologetics against the theists. Listen to his meaningful words about
how ways have no meaning.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. Hereafter we will be as
if we have never been. We are just breath and
nostrils and smoke. Reason is a spark of the heart.
That's it. This is the naturalist, atheist materialists, the Gaitheists.
Our spirit will dissolve our name will be forgotten. No
one will remember us. So here's the atheist nihilist in
the Book of Wisdom right here. Our life is a shadow. Therefore,
let us be skittles gooners. It's the next verse. Let
us touch bots and put peepe's and poopoos because nothing matters.
Speaker 11: Nothing else matters.
Speaker 1: All you metallica goobers in the chat, all you people
who like them, stupid ass metal bands, nothing ghosts. I
used to make fun of my metal head body because
of all these try hard metal metal dudes. He was like, man,
I fucking love metal. It's so edgy. I'm like, metal
is try hard, dude, it's so I mean, I like
some of the riffs. I like a few things. I
like Devin Townsend's music. Okay, but just metal is all
try hard dude. To use the terminology of the skaters,
it's a bunch of posers. We're all just dusting to win.
Speaker 24: Man, Oh your is dusting in the wind.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Right where are we at? In super chats, there's
there's a lot like get some snaggle beasts and Jay,
thank you for letting me call in. Transfigured life is
an ethical treatise that describes the worldly philosophy, and it
says that apapatic theology shows the fullness of Orthodox ethics. Interesting,
so it sounds like Transfigured Life is a good book
to get. Thank you. Snagglebast Jay Team says again about
the show's witnesses, do you think that if you're raised
Joe's witness, you will have a harder time grasping at
the trinity? Yes? Actually I do think that because and
we said this a couple of streams back, because we
were talking about Kurt Metzger, the comedian, you know, when
we had our podcast and when we had our conversations,
you know, the trinity of the Christ came up. And
because Kurt was raised Joe's witness, I think he just
has this really because it's ingrained in them, you know,
from like an early age. You know basically, you know,
they're they're spinning out anti trinitarian babies, dude, they're like
from a baby, infant phase on, you got to be
anti trinitarian. So if you're you know, sort of brainwashed
into that from being a baby up, yeah, you're gonna
have a hard time thinking outside of that box, you
know what I mean. It's very similar to Islam, right,
like Muslims is as we as we have seen, it's
even difficult to get people of those mindsets to just
think about the other positions, right, like to just get
a Muslim to hypath to entertain a hypothetical. It's very
similar with the attitude of the mindset of somebody that
was raised, like in a jose Wh's cult, and like
in the case of Kerr, Like it's not an IQ
issue because Kurt has a really high IQ. He's really
smart guy, but there's something in the person's psychology upbringing
that whenever something arises that questions that fundamental commitment, there's
a defense mechanism that kicks in. And this is where Neil,
I think has a really good point about for some
people like that the technique of deprogramming is much more
effective than polemics and apologetics, and that differs from person
to person, right, I mean, there are some Muslims who
are going to respond to apologetic arguments, you know, like
the type of stuff that we do. But most people
respond to wait a minute, Aisha was nine. That's a
much more effective polemic than getting into ninety nine attributes
of a lat right. That's for the zero point one
percent of spurgs in the Muslim world, which is not
many of them, right, but for a lot of people
probably that when the defense mechanism stuff starts to kick in,
people should look into that type of it's called deprogramming.
It's like this. It's basically just this, I don't know,
like a non offensive way to approach people that are
locked into positions. It's not my approach, so I don't like.
It's not what I do. But Neil's very good at that.
That's Neil's approach to stuff. That's about Neil from Durpul
Robinson proxy, what's up death culture?
Speaker 4: Seven dollars?
Speaker 1: You know if Sir Oswald Mosley was funded or had
intelligence connections like to Mustache Man. I do recall this, yes, uh,
I cannot remember what it was exactly. I want to
say that maybe he had actually a connection to something
that you wouldn't expect, like Tavistock or something like that.
But he also might have just been directly connected to
British intelligence. I cannot remember. I think it comes up
in somebody's book, maybe Ratia's book, but I can't remember.
But there is something to that. By the way, the
wine mom that went on the attack. Did y'all see
the wine mom that went on the attack? I forgot
to mention this calling me out that I'm stupid and
I don't know Dostievsky, even though I've had grid classes
on Dostievsky. I sat and read Crime and Punishment in
a chair for two days straight. But no, she says,
I've never read any Dossievsky. I'm an idiot. I don't
know anything. And Grand Inquisitor is not about the pope
and the anti Christ papacy. Really, are you sure? Because
other Roman Catholics like Tim came to my back, kicked
it back me up, came to my defense. Yeah, of course,
Grand Inquisitors about the papacy.
Speaker 7: Duh.
Speaker 1: No, who this wine mom was? She bought me, By
the way, once I called her wy Mom, I started
posting frenzy of boxes at her, and she got all
mad and butt her and blocked me. I put up
this image. By the way, I've decided that grok is
the best for when you're in the midst of some
kind of stupid debate, when you make a stupid app
like I put a wy Mom praying instead of a
Phronsie box and grog maybe this and this made her
block me. It was this chick, Emily is a naughty
and she just kept like saying this dumbest like she
kept doubling down, doubling down. You don't know anything, You've
never read anything, and I think she is so And
then she blocked me. And then I said, oh, she
couldn't take a wy mom joke, and then she unblocked
me to say that I still didn't know anything about
ducief kindding never read him, even though she never had
actually any argument.
Speaker 22: It was just.
Speaker 1: You're dumb. You're dumb here. I mean, that's like chick
level debate, right. Chicks can't roast people. I don't know
if you know this, but like they're not roasters, dude,
they can't handle it. Dudes can roast if they're over age, thirty,
all the other men, the gen X, they're soy. They
can't roast either. They'll just cancel you. If you try
to roast somebody, they'll try to get you canceled. So
Emily's anati was not happy with my wy mom jokes,
and she then actually started talking about how long she's
been sober. So I think I hit a nerve with
the wy mom jokes when she didn't realize that we
call every lady that comes calls in gets called a
wine mom, Like like, automatically, you're ipso facto a wy
mom by existing as a woman. To use the Latin,
she's a Catholic, maybe she'll understand the ipso facto terminology.
So every Roman calthoque woman that calls in ipso facto
just is by virtue of being a Catholic woman, a
wy mom. They are transubstantiated into being a wine mom automatically.
That's how it works around here, y'all. Anyways, I forgot
to mention the y mom and then shout out to
Anthony Westgate. He chimed in and said, even Sara from
Rose in his so she didn't like the boxes online.
Even sarafrom Rose notes in Grand Inquisitor are in Orthodox
survival course that it's a critique of Jesuits and Jesuitism
and Papism. Of course it is. I had a whole
grid class. I don't mean a whole course, but one
whole class specifically just on Grand Inquisitor separately, had an
entire class on no, actually more probably more than one class,
because I mean, Crime and Punishment was long. It's like
seven hundred pages anyway, But I don't claim to be
I'm not. I'm not like a Dostoevsky expert. There's a
bunch of I've read noes on the ground Crime Punishment,
significant sections of Brothers caramonts Of. I have not finished
Brothers Kermoons Of. It's very difficult. I do intend to
venture before where I die finished Brothers Caramonts Of. But
already I think that makes me like way ahead of
like ninety nine percent of people by just finishing Crime
and Punishment. But anyway, by the way, shout out to
the pores in the audience, because I was having fun
with this Thom Sigura meme here tonight is just a
bunch of slackers, a bunch of poor slackers. All the
pores in the audience.
Speaker 8: The poors, all the pores.
Speaker 1: Did you eat today? Did you enjoy your dirt? Sandwich wool?
That's what people think that you're like when you're a cryptozillionaire.
I see you. Now, let's do a little bit of
We're going to open it up to proxy in just
a second, but I have to do a little more
vindication because once again I was vindicated. It's like a
daily occurrence now daily vindicated. Turns out your boy, George Clooney,
whom we said a lot of suspicious agencies type of
connections over here for many many years to your boy, George,
I talked about this all the way back to Esotery
Hollywood One, almost ten years ago. Certain actors absolutely seemed
to be in with the agency. Now, over time this
kind of came out publicly with confirmation in terms of
Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner, quite a few a listers have
kind of eventually openly said, yeah, I worked with the agency,
Jim from the Office, Claire Danes. And part of that
has to do with the shows that the CIA would
consult on that they were stars of, right, like Claire
Danes being on Homeland. I want to say maybe even
twenty four with Keeper Sutherland had CIA consultation, you know,
been at what well Jeffer Garner ended up openly just
being like a propaganda salesperson for the CIA. Ben Affleck, Yeah,
Affleck with Argo openly making that in consultation with it,
and they even even wrote a letter saying, Hey, I've
had great, great time working with the Cia, et cetera. Now,
I also think that it's beyond just kind of consulting,
and there are cases, you know, we go back to
old Hollywood where and I put this in my book
that's circularly with three, I did a whole section on
Hollywood spies, right, people who weren't weren't just consulting or
you know, working together on a movie or something like that,
but actually people who were legit like Honey Traps, spies,
et cetera, Starling Hayden Oss, Carrie Grant, Spy for THESS,
Justphine Baker, et cetera. And that's all in esotetically with three,
which you can get signed copies at the shop at
Jason Elsis. By the way, Proxy, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 1: I forgot about the way. I forgot to play the clip.
I'm sorry. So George Clooney is on Drew Barrymore's show.
It just casually says, oh, yeah, my wife was busy
helping to draft the Muslim Brotherhood's constitution.
Speaker 25: For Egypt the Mary and I was like, you're an idiot,
you know that's not going to happen. Then then comes
them all and we stayed up all night talking and then.
Speaker 1: I'm skivving past this part. This is how he met her.
We're going to skip to the part where he says
the relevant issue through London.
Speaker 25: She was living in London, and I went to London
to score a movie, and I thought, if you're ever
going to impress anybody, it's at Abbey Road with one
hundred and fifty piece orchestra there.
Speaker 1: So he's describing to Drew Barrymore how he met them
all and then he was going to try to impress
her with scoring a movie or whatever. And then she
comes back with a she and up.
Speaker 25: I called her up and said, you want to come
see a visit over at Abbey Road, and she's like, yeah,
I'm at a meeting at the Muslim Brotherhood right now
and I'll.
Speaker 1: Come right over. Because she was in the middle of
trying to redo.
Speaker 25: A constitution for you know, for the Egyptians.
Speaker 1: Redoing the Egyptian constitution for the Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah, that's
just your average normy wife for sure. Proxy. What's up? Yes,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 4: I just got a question, but I feel like I
need some help with absorbing more.
Speaker 11: If you have any techniques for someone that reads.
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 1: A lot of Yeah, I mean what I do, uh
for absorbing the information, And a lot of people take
issue with this, but it works for me. Different people
are built different But if you're a very visually oriented person,
which I am, I take in information typically better visually
than I do through the other means. Even though I
do listen to a lot of podcasts, I find that
underlining a lot and then using one sticky note to
summarize the relevant information on that significant page. Not every page,
but when you get to a page that you're reading
that does have significant information, I don't just underline. I
also summarized information on the sticky note. So that for
me has worked very well for the last I don't know,
twenty issu years of you know, researching, or twenty five
years whatever it is, I forget how old I am. Whatever,
that tends to work for me. So everybody assumes that
there's some sort of process I go through, and there's
no there's no color coding to the sticky notes. They're
just sticky notes. And by the way, I'm actually a
slow reader, so for me, it takes a long time.
And that's also I think beneficial. There's pros and cons, right,
people that read really fast, I think probably obviously retain
less than if you read slow. But I'm a slow reader,
so and I don't read online. I have to print
out or do PDPs or do actual physical tactile books.
I would I would also encourage younger people. I know
this might sound counterintuitive, but read actual books. Do not
read stuff online now. I mean if it's a news
article or this or that, or it's only online, yeah,
I mean you can bend the rules.
Speaker 18: But for.
Speaker 1: Best retention, I actually don't think online stuff is the
best retention. I think actual physical because you need the
experience of the tactile right when you're underlining, your bodies involved.
When you're just looking at crap on screens, it's not right.
It's it's more abstracted. And even though words and reading
are an abstract activity, the more embodied they are probably
the best. It is as that makes That's why in
the liturgy we don't just walk into the church and
just read. We hear it and we sing it, so
it's bodily action involved. It's not just like if Spurgs
designed the liturgy, we would all just like walk in
and just like stare at a giant screen and absorb
the information into our mind. But that's not how it works. Luke,
what's up dude? The spurg liturgy, Father Deacon, could you
get all the Spurgs at your church to design the
like abstracted like mathematic or just have it in binary code?
Like the liturgy is just a binary code that you download.
Speaker 4: It's in Montana. That's why I moved up here.
Speaker 1: To create a Spurg cult.
Speaker 4: No Spurgs in Montana.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no Spergs in Montena. Okay, Luke, what's up
on you?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 15: So I see a lot of people giving conflicting takes
about what they how imminent they actually think the false
union is going to be?
Speaker 1: I saw I think it was.
Speaker 15: Luigi posted this Catholic article that said that in his
homily Bartholomele that uh, he said that if they didn't
concede the Philly Oaquay and the papacy, then there wouldn't
actually be a union at all. So like, do you
how imminent really do you think that the union is?
Because it seems to me that you're very convinced.
Speaker 10: That the union is going to happen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: When did I say that? I said they're going to
push for it.
Speaker 4: But you but do you actually think it's gonna happen
like anytime?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that when they when they do these
kinds of meetings like we covered a couple of days
ago or whatever like those are are they're testing the waters.
I don't think they're like just gonna do it. They're
gonna test the waters and they're gonna wait until they
feel like or they think that there's enough people on board.
I think they go ahead of the FDA would know
about more than me.
Speaker 4: But it's called stalking horse. It's a hunter's term. Uses
an analogy where the hunter goes behind a horse to
stalk the prey to see how close they can get. So,
like Jay said, testing the waters, but we don't because
of that, and you know, they're looking online and how
people respond and stuff like this too. It was the
same stuff that that the PAPC has been doing with
the skittle stuff. So rather than just come out and
do it, they're obviously moving towards that direction. But they're
testing the waters. They're doing the stalking horse, and they
may roll it back.
Speaker 1: They might say, yeah, this is what when Tim called in.
Exactly when Tim called in, he explained it as Peronism, right.
Tim's term is is one Peron's approach of two says
forward one step back to those forward one step back.
So no, it's not going to be like I predict
as the profit jayder that on twenty the year twenty thirty,
they will announce the false union and no, no, it's
they're going to move in that direction. And the reason
I think that there will not be a change in
the direction is because ultimately Leo and Francis and these
people they answer to geopolitical powers and it's the State Department,
it's the power elite that want this ecumenist type of union.
And so they're not making they're not calling the shots. Okay,
they're not the real ballers and shot collars. They're subservient
to other more powerful interests that tell them you're going
to push this, You're going to keep pushing it. That's
why the papacy can't reverse course, is because they were
subverted a long time ago.
Speaker 15: So bar you would say, Bartholomele is compromised.
Speaker 1: At this point, I believe so, yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 15: Like his surrounding, like higher ups, they're all basically compromised.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, at the arcons. I mean they give
awards to Joe Biden.
Speaker 15: Yeah all right, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 22: Also look at the the from the Roman Catholic side
of this. Look at that Unit Tate a letter that
the Pope just wrote where he's talking about the Phillyoquay.
Speaker 1: Expand on that, John, What's what's your take on that?
Speaker 22: I mean, it looks to me in the letter like
he's saying they're not gonna say.
Speaker 11: The Philioquay anymore, that they're going to go back to
the old.
Speaker 4: Way of saying that.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean you think he's gonna just not do it. Yeah,
I thought I thought he was just doing that as
a one off. You're saying, no, maybe they actually might
not do it anymore.
Speaker 22: The impression I get from Unna tante fide the letter
is that he's gonna say the philip He's not gonna
say the Philioquay anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, I misunderstood.
Speaker 22: Yeah. And also there's multiple there's multiple masses now he's
given and he just doesn't say it.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Penny wits two dollars. If we talk about sticky notes,
I will give money post it notes for life. Okay,
whatever I mean? I don't like. I don't know what
the right brand is. Let's see what I have. I
have post it notes, so you're correct. Thank you Mike
for ten dollars. Mikech roachburn you are. You're a poor,
a poor Continue to mock people as they call it's
the funniest thing ever and it makes my day. Also,
could you cover the war on wig Zantium. He means
the wigger peoples such as myself. Well, once we eraqt
the wigs Wigantine Empire, you will have a wigger emperor
and it'll be me, and then all these problems are
going to be solved. So thank you, Mike. I will
say though, that the point that we've made many times
that Islam tends to be the broom of Judaism was
actually made by some of the rabbis. Thank you rabbis
for confirming what we were called evil conspiracy theorists and
racists for talking about is it. I shared it somewhere
and also, uh live like fda, I mean cotail excuse
me played another clip on his stream that I was
going to talk about here with the Muslims and had
even more rabbis saying the same thing. So we knew
that I knew this like ten years ago, but it's
nice to have the admissions here. So this is some
rabbi I don't know. Oh, they don't believe that their
Messiah will return until Christianity, which they think is edom,
will be destroyed. Hence the reference earlier to the net
who's saying he's reading the book by Barry Strauss about
the about Rome, Rome being the Western civilization, Christianity, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Like sid you mixing up?
Speaker 1: Now? Isn't it funny that this clip comes from that
goofball pagan, Adam Green. But Adam Green says Christianity is
a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the Western Pagans, and yet
he's sharing a clip of the rabbis saying that they
will destroy Christianity, So like oops, does he not even
pay attention to the clips?
Speaker 3: It's amazing?
Speaker 1: What what's that you cut out? We can't hear you.
You're you're cutting out?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: Didn't somebody find out that Adam Green's mentor is a rabbi.
Speaker 1: I don't know about mentor, but he has a like
Tobyah singer and rabbis come on his channel, which is not.
Speaker 4: Surprising Adam Green's the prim of of the Jews.
Speaker 1: No Italy will be destroyed for the evils that it's
done to Israel. Italy is part of Rome. Islam will
be the broom as you seem as the room of Israel.
There's a rabbi saying, right there, Islam is the broom
of Israel. Now there's a bunch more in this clip.
You can go watch this clip. Probably can't get to
get away with too much of it over here, but
you get the idea. And Cotel noted that did you
know that there was like a billion dollars fraud of
the Somali community in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: Check this out would be so strong that we would
able to be able to get more done.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Because Indians they occupy this weird middle area where there
they're Eastern Asians, not East Asians, but we'll say South Asians.
They're Asians, they're brown, but they speak English. They typically
have a job, but they also commit a bunch of fraud,
and they don't really assimilate and they maintain their Indian identity.
Speaker 1: And the problem is India is the most.
Speaker 5: Populated country in the world, and so with that being
the case, they could replace the entire population.
Speaker 1: Of America three hundred and fifty million is what we're told.
Speaker 5: They could replace that with the blink of an eye.
They could replace three hundred and fifty They could import
three hundred and fifty million Indians to America, and India
wouldn't change at all because it's over a billion people.
Speaker 1: That's why it's all. It's like serious go time.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: Let's see if the audio works because I would like
to play you this vo if possible.
Speaker 1: So this would be our last attempt.
Speaker 5: Let me know immediately guys if the audio isn't working
on this, but we're going to try to play this video.
Speaker 1: I thought it was worth playing here.
Speaker 24: Why are Somalians in America?
Speaker 14: Yesterday a Somalian rear ended me, which thankfully no one
was hurt and no damage was done to my truck.
But it got me thinking, why are Somalians in America,
especially North Dakota and Minnesota.
Speaker 24: So I looked into it.
Speaker 14: The main group bringing in Somemalians is Lutheran Social Services.
They are led by this guy and this is his staff,
And turns out they get two and seventy five dollars
and they bring over but we have to ask the
question why are they coming over here in the first place.
And another surprise turns out our government was funding a
dictatorship in Somalia throughout the Cold War, led by Sahib Bahare.
Speaker 1: And this uh so, you know, I constantly get asked this, No,
I'm not interested in debating Adam Green because number one Cotel,
Jem and Andrew have already debated Adam Green. It's the
most low tier stuff. It's he doesn't know anything about
basic fallacies, and there's no need to keep doing this debate.
And I lose my patience when if you debate people
that have like no knowledge of basic logical fallacies and
they just keep charging forward like it doesn't It's very
frustrating to the debater and it also is a waste
of time.
Speaker 14: Dictatorship led to clan favoritism and overall this destabilize the
country and inevitably collapsed in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4: Also, our troops were over there.
Speaker 14: This is where the movie Blackhawk Down comes from. But overall,
Somalians have no right to be in America, especially North
Dakota and Minnesota. They don't integrate into our societies. They
carry all their clan mentalities. If you personally have never
interacted with Somalian or just don't believe me, I would
recommend checking Nick Shirley's video he did the other day.
Speaker 24: What do you guys think about all this?
Speaker 3: Let me know down the comments below.
Speaker 5: Anyways, what this, what's it's been discovered is basically this
massive fraud campaign to bring more and more Somalians into
the United States. And then Tim Waltz, the you know,
the fairy guy that's the governor of Minnesota. He then
was also getting kickbats through these millions of dollars for example.
Speaker 1: No, it's all these skittles leaders that it's it's not
accidental that there's a bunch of butt buddies that run everything.
That that's how this happens. Absolutely right in the chat there,
j team says for seven dollars, thank you for your guidance.
I can get ventured. Those witnesses are not a cult. Well, bro,
just call in, Like I mean, I appreciate all the
super chats, but just call in and have a discussion.
I'm happy to explain to you all about Jose Witnesses.
If you want to call in, the link is in
the chat. You just use the use the X space link.
Now we're gonna take a brief break here and you
can listen to this funkal pop song here as a classic.
If you want to call in, you can still call in.
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gonna have to go to the little girl's room.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise, just hang around and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: All right, long and back nerds. We were discussing the
flooding of the US with the cult of Islam by design,
not by accident. And shout outs to Cotel. He did
a really good, lengthy livestream. You can go watch the
rest of his live stream there on this topic. Now,
I wanted to talk a little bit about Candace because
the entire media landscape of the Internet media world now
Candace is the queen She is Sweet Candy b is
the queen Bee of media. The story is now she
has surpassed Joe Rogan Road joke. She has dethroned the
DMT bro and become the Queen Bee, the Beyonce of media. Now,
who in the heck can keep up with the conspiracy
rabbit hole that is Candace Charlie Kirk TPUSA and then
Candace versus everyone Crowder quartering flint tests. I mean, it
is just like I cannot keep up. Nobody can keep
up with this. In fact, I saw multiple other media
people saying, can anyone update me and explain to me
what is happening with this whole story? And I read
multiple people's explanations and threads, and I still have no
idea what's going on? And who could keep up with
this flight logs of who's flying into I mean, I mean,
I'm not saying there's no conspiracy. I don't even understand
what's happening. And I think that from a from a
media attention standpoint, there's some sort of genius person. There's
got to be some sort of genius media something going on,
because she has cracked the code for getting the entire
world to talk about And I mean it doesn't matter
whether you like her or not, because people that become
super popular mega popular also have a gigantic audience of haters.
That's part of the popularity. I mean even in the
chat right here, right now, everybody just super divided on Canvas.
The whole chat is just like she's the best versus
she's crazy. I don't know. I have no idea what's
going on, because I I after the conspiracies about Charlie
went or everyone. I'm not just talking about Canvas's theories.
I'm talking about just all over the Internet was all
Charlie Kirk theories. I checked out, not because I believe
the system or anything. I just like, dude, there's no
like when there's the high profile events going back to
like the Big Nine event. Immediately afterwards, there's just infinity
theories and smoking mirrors everywhere. She's a queen. She's a
black slate queen. Excuse me. There was only one Internet
black slate queen diva calling out false flags, assassinations and
scionism ten years ago, and she's sitting right here on
your screen.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: A lot of the chat is not happy.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I saw recently that made sense
was that she was gonna come with receipts and she
was gonna set tp Topoosa straight. I'm gonna get up
in there. I'm gonna set to Poosa straight. Who the
hell is Tapoosa? She she's gonna set to Poosa straight
t b Usa. But then she said I have a
prior commitment. And then everybody exploded, Oh you want to debate,
you want a debate. But I still have no idea
what's going on. And then suddenly Flint Tests, who was
friends with Tucker for a week, Now that's off. Oh
he's there. They hate each other again. Flint Test says
Tucker is the fakest of all time. Anyway, I don't
have who can keep up with it. I mean, it's
so it's I guess it's just how it is. Like
everything turns into soap opera, you know what I mean.
It goes from like real, real issues, everyone's talking about
the issues, debating the topics. Then it's all the soap
opera and it's about But you'll never get away from that.
I don't mean this to be blackpilling. I'm just saying
stating it as reality. Like I've been in the media
sphere long enough to realize that it will never ever
be about the issues. Issues will always be secondary to
the drama of the people because that's what people unfortunately
gravitate to. And it will never not be that way.
You will never get people to not care about the
drama and who's who hump and who who hump and
who over immigration. Everybody's going to care about who's hump
and who over immigration. It will never because that's unfortunately
the drama of politics and media. That's just how it is.
It will always be. Jerry Springer, I don't mean to
be blackpilling. I'm just telling you the truth. Dog. So
as we see from the chat, everybody has an opinion
on Candice. The whole chat is just Oh, I will
tell you this is the real diva slag queen right here,
and y'all ought to know that. And by the way,
half the shithy talks about is stuff I've talked about
for ten years or more. So again, we all know
who the real diva is. I'm just joking. I'm having fun.
I do have twenty seven inward passes. However, where we
at let's see. Speaking of so, I heard a bunch
of commentators gen x boomer commentators, including Glenn back Do,
a gigantic Glenn back style chalkboard breakdown of color revolutions
and how they're done, and that we might be having
one in our country. Really, you think here's me seven six,
seven years ago doing a video on color revolutions as
a present day problem in America that we are undergoing
our color relation. So thank you Boomer people and gen
X people in the media sphere for being ten years
late almost to stuff that we've been talking about for forever.
But no, everyone wants to go listen to the information.
You are all out here in this sphere. You're like
my mom and my boom. You're like the boomers. You're
the new boomers because back ten fifteen years ago, what
would happen is you would learn something and you would
tell the boomers this, and then ten years later the
boomer says, I just heard that on the Fox News
that they're that the GMOs are bad. Yeah, you mean
what I told you ten years ago, the GMO's about
you said, it's crazy. Well, but you ain't got a
TV show.
Speaker 30: Why why if you knew what you was talking about
they put you up there on that fancy set. Well,
if you knew, if you knew everything, it worked, you
got a Fox No TV show. Literally, that's what it
was all throughout the two thousands.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, guess what now you're all the same boomers dummies.
All the stuff that I told y'all ten years ago,
Now Glenn Beck talks about it, color revolutions. Let's see. Iay,
Michael mcfowell, bro, why you would be ten years out
of the game, BJ says for ten dollars, I don't
know who's right. I don't know about what to say
with Candice and Tapoosa, but it is entertaining, I know.
That's what she figured out. She figured out, don't nobody
care about no damn issues illegration elections. People want freaking drama, dude.
They want to know who touching who butt. She cracked
the code, dude, She said, I'm gonna take a little
bit of Jerry Springer. I'm gonna take a little bit
of conspiracy Alex Jones. I'm gonna combine him together and
put him into the full fruition of the Black SaaS
queen Diva. And it is the ultimate media genius operation.
She cracked the code. Now, she took a little bit
of this and a little bit of that. What's that
wraps on? You could get with this or you can
get with that, you can get with this, you get
with that. Candace just took a little bit and she
put it into a recipe and cooked up the biggest
media thing of all time. She even dethroned Rod Jogan.
Who would have ever thought, get this the first time
I went on the kill stream to debate, Like twenty
seventeen sixteen, Guess who had just been on the kill stream?
Canvas sweet candy now