WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:09.160 Get ready for it. 2 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:18.760 Twenty third day of May twenty twenty five. Is it? 3 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.000 Is it? Oh? My goodness, man, it is a weird year. 4 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.079 The month is flying by, allegedly according to that thing 5 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.679 we call a calendar. Anyway, no matter who you are, 6 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:29.719 where you are, when you are, guess what we're live 7 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.560 on a Friday. It's about just hitting nine minutes after 8 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.439 eight pm Eastern And yeah, I went to air late, 9 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.679 but what the hell? It is? What it is? I 10 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:39.439 talked to be Pete for a couple of minutes and 11 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.840 really didn't rush to get the air tonight because I'm 12 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:44.880 just in that kind of mood. I guess that's what 13 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.079 happens when you got an infected tooth in your mouth 14 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.520 and you feel like the world is pretty much an 15 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:55.159 infected tooth around you. So it is what it is. Anyway, 16 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.439 Happy Friday. How you doing this week? B Pete? 17 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.079 I'm doing a good based on what we were talking 18 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.159 about right before live about news feeds and all kind 19 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:09.120 of like you, it's just tried to spend a week 20 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.439 not paying attention to some of the crap going on. 21 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.159 If I hear about the Epstein files one more time 22 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:17.480 from some of them, just gonna punch them in the 23 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:18.439 clot ah. 24 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.920 See, now that means you are definitely part of the 25 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:25.040 conservative algorithm, because I only got the Epstein files mentioned 26 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.280 to me a few times. I'm not part of the 27 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:30.280 conservative algorithm. I'm not part of the liberal algorithm. I 28 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.040 don't know what algorithm I'm part of. But they're not 29 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:34.920 feeding me the way that they feed you guys. 30 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:39.359 You know. No, it's on when when I go to 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.359 the news section like on YouTube, you know, and it 32 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.799 brings up certain channels, and then you've got all the 33 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.159 Once you click on one of those, and you're going 34 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.760 to pull up every every every person that gives their 35 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.840 opinions about the Epstein crap, from Whitney Web to you 36 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:01.079 name it, and just from one. You know, why haven't 37 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.840 they released a file? Why haven't they released the current list? 38 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.400 It's like, people, there is no list. There's nothing that 39 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.560 they're going to release that says so and so, so 40 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.719 and so and so and so purchased people through this way. 41 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.159 But the bad thing is it doesn't exist. 42 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.400 But you know, wait a minute, wait a minute, I 43 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.639 got to argue with you a little. It does exist. 44 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.439 It's already been released. I got bad news. 45 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.560 No, no, no, no, no, no, that's this specific. Everybody 46 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:28.680 talks about a client list. 47 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:30.680 Uh huh, there is no client list. 48 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.080 Yes, if that book has been published, it was published 49 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:33.919 years ago. 50 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.400 So it is on you see what I'm saying, here's ago. 51 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.680 Yeah, but people assume that there's a client list. 52 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:42.800 Here's the thing, Well, what do they want a credit 53 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.000 card list of? But this person used their visa for 54 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:48.560 two thousand dollars on the aen see, And I know 55 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:48.960 what they. 56 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.639 Want to expect, because here's the deal. If the FBI 57 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.840 has information that and they say they're going to videotapes 58 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.599 and stuff. Now, if they have this information and they're 59 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.599 gonna play it this way, well, we can't release that 60 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:07.680 because of possible pending prosecutions, right, Okay, So that covers 61 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:11.240 the majority of the evidence that they've got. Well, we 62 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.439 may have to prosecute these people. We just can't put 63 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.039 it out there in a public purview when it's evidence 64 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:17.680 until we're ready to go court. 65 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.120 Okay, Okay, So that's going to protect them on one end, yeah, 66 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.360 but hold the other end, it is people. 67 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.240 Well, I think people have expectations that there's certain things 68 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:29.120 the government has that are going to be released, and 69 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:29.400 they're not. 70 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:31.919 But that's what I wanted to cut to here. Cut 71 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:34.000 back to the beginning of what you said, which is 72 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.319 client list. Okay, what constitutes a client list? Because outside 73 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.400 of his black book and these lists of people that 74 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.159 were definitely on the airplane and all this other stuff. 75 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:47.159 Even though I know there was some pulsified documents and all, 76 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:50.159 that doesn't matter. The point is we know who was there, 77 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.039 we know who got I mean, you know, pay no 78 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.800 attention to the fact that I thought it was funny 79 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.000 that Barack Obama's name came up in the Diddy trial 80 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.039 this week. That was kind of comical for a second, 81 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.800 but really realistically, Yeah, didn't you see that. You probably 82 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.039 didn't see that, did you. 83 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.199 No? I did. But what I said was, it's not 84 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.639 surprising that it came up. 85 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.120 Well, no, because look, that guy met with everybody at 86 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.199 a certain point, depending on what part of his career 87 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.079 I met the guy. Anyway, look back to the client list. 88 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.000 What do they want for a client list outside of 89 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:25.720 the black book, the contacts. I mean, let's get down 90 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.480 and dirty on this. Okay, even if you hire somebody 91 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.959 off a Craigslist, right, which is still a thing that happens. 92 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.759 To my understanding, I don't know. I haven't been around 93 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.000 anybody who's done it in many years, but apparently you 94 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.759 can still do this. Hire somebody off a craigslist. Hey, look, 95 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.040 I got this many hundreds of dollars. We'll meet here 96 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.680 and we'll do things. You know what I'm saying. So 97 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.279 here's the thing. You're not on a client list when 98 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.800 you do that. You use that service. And you know, 99 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:55.399 if you got half a brain, you don't put it 100 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.079 on a credit card. But some people put it on 101 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.319 a credit card. I get it. And you know, why 102 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.720 not use a what do you call a reloadable visa, right, 103 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.639 one that you just load with cash and doesn't really 104 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.120 have your name on it. Just do that and you 105 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.040 could pay anybody any which way you want. And then 106 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.079 where does the client list come into this, Like which 107 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:15.639 part of the equation do they want? Do they want 108 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.800 the receipts? Because I'll tell you this, a married guy 109 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:20.680 or a guy who doesn't want that shown in public 110 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.000 for their image or whatever else is not keeping the receipts. 111 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.199 And they don't have, you know, perfect record keeping. It's 112 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.199 not like Maxwell was sitting there going, well, I need 113 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.160 to meticulously keep records so I can file taxes on this. 114 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:37.079 So you know what is what is the client list 115 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:39.439 they want outside of the black book? Be Pete, can 116 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.560 you tell me that what they want? 117 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:48.480 What they've been people refer to a client list, client list, 118 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.319 client list? Okay, so what they refer to it for years? 119 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:56.120 Yeah to me? If to here's here's the different. A 120 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:57.800 client list would be a list of all the clients 121 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.240 and what they did. Okay. And I think somebody thinks 122 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.680 that the FBI has compiled that. Yeah, they may, and 123 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.680 it could be on somebody's notes stuck in a file somewhere, right, 124 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.680 But even if he thought exists, even if they had 125 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.800 an amalgamated list of people and possible charges, they're not 126 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:17.600 going to release that. 127 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.399 Well, but even if they do, it's secondhand information. It's 128 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.600 not like, like I said, you don't have the receipts. Okay, 129 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.040 I guarantee it's not like, well, gee, he used his 130 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:31.040 Bank of America visa card to know that didn't happen. 131 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.279 So what what kind of list do you want? The 132 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.079 list that's compiled by the FBI. Okay, So we trust 133 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.240 the FBI's lists on this stuff, but we don't try. 134 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:42.839 Come on, now, where's the closest thing to a client 135 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.920 list you got is his black book? I mean, that's 136 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.240 my argument about you already got it, you know, so 137 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.120 how much closer are you going to get to it? Outside? 138 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.839 Where's there? Here's the thing people forget about. That student 139 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:04.360 do work is in Florida. Okay, he got a sweetheart deal, right? 140 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:08.240 It was later on in New York when the some 141 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.240 of the victims complained that they were not notified by 142 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:18.040 the court, therefore the proceedings were invalidated. That's what led 143 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.480 to his charges in New York. So they had already 144 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.759 done the big dog. I can't think it was that 145 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.639 the Miami Examiner where the big paper is down there. 146 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:29.920 I think it's a Miami Bulldog. 147 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:30.120 Right. 148 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:31.800 Is that the bulldog down there that did it? 149 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.759 I'm not sure. But one of the big papers down 150 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:41.040 there did a series on it while he was while 151 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.839 he was under investigation. So anyway, they ran like a 152 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.439 full part series about what happened in Florida, how he 153 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.199 got a sweetheart deal, what the conditions were. It may 154 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.319 have been when the guy that Trump appointed to one 155 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.079 position was the judge down there that allowed us to 156 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.240 go on, and he stepped down from the nomination for whatever. 157 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.759 There was something a DJ or something. 158 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.600 I don't know, we had he had a Costa in 159 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:08.279 his cabinet. 160 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.680 Yeah, yeah, you're right, Okay, when he stepped down, and 161 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.959 that may have been when the paper ran that series 162 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.839 as to what happened, trying to explain, you know, a 163 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:23.839 Costa's connection to it. Anyway they have from Freedom Information Act, 164 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.160 a lot of that stuff came out. Okay, so you've 165 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:30.560 got that information, You've got Maxwell's trial that they went through. Now, 166 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:38.159 the thing that gets me is they tried her, but 167 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:41.799 there was no attempt to make any case against any 168 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.799 of the customers or any of the people that supposedly 169 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.080 I mean, they got her for human trafficking, okay, or 170 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.799 whatever charges were. I don't know if it was explotation 171 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.240 of minors or what. But the charges that they got 172 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.519 her on, there had to be somebody on the other 173 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:05.120 end of the transaction passing off a person or an 174 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:11.320 underaged girl or whatever. That's the part that I'm amazed 175 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.000 nothing has happened. If you can't it's like busting it's 176 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.320 like busting hookers and not going after their clients. Yeah, 177 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.679 why haven't we seen any charges against anybody. You can't 178 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:24.080 tell me. 179 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:24.799 I know. 180 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.480 We've have these these files now for years, and nobody 181 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.120 has gone through and put together one single prosecution case 182 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.159 against an individual that was on the other end of 183 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.840 these transactions. So if that hasn't happened, that's where the 184 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.360 FBI is going to play this craft. You can't release this, 185 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.440 you know, because there's pending litigation here that we may 186 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.799 press charges against these individuals. We all well know who 187 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.399 they are before we decide to press charges, So that 188 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.519 eliminates ninety percent of the craft that the public thinks 189 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:53.960 that they're going to be able to see from this 190 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:54.480 whole deal. 191 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.679 Well, it's crazy. And here's the thing, because there's people 192 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:03.320 on that list that are protected because of whatever deals 193 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.600 they made or you know, like in the case of 194 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.720 Alan Dershowitz, he was looking to sue everybody. Don't don't 195 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.799 involve me in it, even though my name's on lists 196 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.639 and I was in proximity. Don't accuse me of being 197 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:19.000 involved with the sex stuff. Right, there's a whole complex mess. 198 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.159 And then there's also the political protections. You don't want 199 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:27.240 to show everybody's point of context because how are you 200 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.320 going to prosecute it, you know, going, oh, look look 201 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:31.000 at all the Democrats on there. Yeah, look at all 202 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.200 the Republicans on there. Uh oh, well, look at all 203 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.720 the guys who were with DeSantis on there. Look at 204 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.440 all the guys who weren't with the Santis, look at 205 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.320 the guys who ended up in the work cabinet. And 206 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.600 what I'm saying is it goes all over the place 207 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:46.000 so bad that I don't think anybody would want to 208 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:47.759 produce a list like that anyway. 209 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.919 I know, because it's like cracks in a room shield. 210 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.559 Once they start, you don't know which direction they're going 211 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.879 to go and how far they're going to go exactly, 212 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.440 so you know, they don't want to start that initial impact. 213 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.919 Another thing to take into consideration too. You just had 214 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.960 Virginia Giffreed uh supposedly die of suicide Australias. 215 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:06.840 Uh. 216 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.440 Now, she's got a whole boatload of issues with her 217 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.919 marriage and and and things with her husband that were 218 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.480 going on at the time that you know, whatever happened 219 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.919 to her could be totally unrelated to the Epstein thing 220 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.840 that you just had Cash to tell and Dan Bngino 221 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.639 both say here within the past week that yeah, Epstein 222 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:32.679 hung himself. Did the collective laughter that went up from 223 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.879 Dan Bongino. Suddenly you know he was going to get 224 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:37.840 to the bottom of stuff and blah blah blah, and 225 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.840 then all of a sudden, Yeah, he hung himself. M'm men, 226 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:45.360 look at here completely does a onet eighty. That's it. 227 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.080 I mean that in his self right, says the cover 228 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.240 ups and places. Folks, you aren't going to learn crap 229 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.000 about Epstein or anybody who was collected to nobody. 230 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.799 Well, see, but there's the trouble. Right, Bonino, as a 231 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.519 podcaster was going after this, was involved in the whole 232 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:05.679 I want to be on there. He wasn't doing a 233 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.240 good job of it, Okay, not. 234 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.120 Just a podcast for her on a radio show. 235 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.799 Well, right, that's the thing he built up from that 236 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.159 he ended up getting syndicated, like the thing that I 237 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.919 almost did several times. Right, he succeeded at it. Good 238 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.679 and good on him. But the thing is he had 239 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:25.960 enough of a presence out there that first of all, 240 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.240 Trump paid attention to him. But secondly, he was out 241 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.840 there making a lot of statements about, look, we need 242 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.799 to dig into the dirt here and get on this 243 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.080 and get underneath it. And get these you know, the 244 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.320 banded people out of positions of power and stuff like that. 245 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.120 That's the way he was talking. So these people that 246 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.759 were like fans of his thought, oh, look we have 247 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.720 a guy who's going to go in there and actually 248 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.919 do something. But what is he doing. He's going to 249 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:57.039 immediately parrot. He's being used specifically to parrot the party line. Okay. 250 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:59.720 I don't know how else you're supposed to see that, 251 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.559 but that's the way it is. And cash Pttel I 252 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.879 don't know what to say about that guy, all right, 253 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.000 I really don't. Is a guy who I'm not sure 254 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.279 why he's in charge of the FBI exactly because I 255 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.440 don't see how his skill set applies to it. But 256 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:14.200 there he is. 257 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:21.000 He was appointed. His experience was he was an investigator 258 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.759 once they started going after tear it apart to the 259 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:31.759 Russian collision scheme with Muller. Okay, he came in, he 260 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:37.120 was appointed. He I forget who he was an investigator for. 261 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:42.960 Was it? I can't think his name? Some senator one 262 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.360 of them. Anyway, he's the one in there that started 263 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.519 getting in and found out. He dug down and found 264 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.519 out exactly who paid for the steel bossier, and the 265 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.759 whole showed that it was all you know, Hillary's political 266 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.480 campaign paid for it through rulers and then another sub 267 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.480 ruler and some website bas money was folded over three 268 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.840 times before it hit the final pocket was put it 269 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.879 that way, and then he found out it was all bunk. 270 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.639 There was nothing to back up any of it. That's 271 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.000 what got him on the road to be the head 272 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.120 of the FBI. It says the investigations that he did 273 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.399 and the facts that he would be able to pull 274 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.639 out even with I mean, because the Democrats were fighting 275 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:24.440 a tooth and nail, they were trying to hide everything 276 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.320 that they could possibly hide well at the time. 277 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.720 And what Muller came out with is always constantly misrepresented anyway, 278 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.759 because if you read the report, which I have, if 279 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.480 you actually read it, what does it say. It says 280 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.840 that there was efforts by the Russians to affect the election, 281 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:45.279 but they couldn't, you know, conclusively prove that Trump and 282 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.000 his people were knowing participants. Were they participants? Yes, they 283 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.200 approached them, they approached them, they made moves toward them, 284 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.840 all that stuff. This is what Muller found. He said, look, 285 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.320 you can't prosecute it because we can't prove that they 286 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.120 knew anything about that, but were part of this. Yeah 287 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.279 they were. And that's that weird area where it really 288 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.440 gets left. It's not like nothing in there or not 289 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.559 the dossier. Let's not go to the dossier because I 290 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.759 don't want to get into that again. But I mean 291 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:17.000 the charges, the idea that Russians are attempting to affect elections. 292 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:22.200 It would almost be like malpractice on the intelligence agency's 293 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:27.279 part in Russia. If they didn't attempt to influence the election. Okay, 294 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.480 that's just craziness, but anyway, but hell right, he was 295 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.600 involved in that. But I still don't get the connection 296 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.600 as to how it is he would have an idea 297 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:43.080 about how to run the FBI because every time he 298 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.120 gets pressed on trying to go find something or get something, 299 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.200 he definitely needs the career guys to help guide him. 300 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.360 He doesn't know where to get stuff. He's been denied documentation. 301 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.080 We saw that, by the way, that was a very 302 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:01.279 weird situation this week with the with the you know, 303 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.960 the declassification hearings. Did you catch any of that, by 304 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:06.840 the way, the JFK stuff this week. 305 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.919 No, I hit that I've watched the clip. What was it? Oh, 306 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:13.960 one of one of the doctors got up there and 307 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.720 described the wounds and all. But there were a couple 308 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.799 of other clips that I looked at that I didn't watch. 309 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.679 Well, here's the funny thing about the doctor, uh, you know, 310 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.720 the doctor that testified. He started going into his theories 311 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.639 instead of describing what he saw because nobody knows how 312 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.559 to do the questioning properly, as Larry and I were 313 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.480 talking about. But here's a funny thing that somebody pointed 314 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.279 out to me on on X, which is that that 315 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:46.240 doctor did give testimony to the Warren Commission and he 316 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.039 said he didn't, which you know, it's like, okay, you 317 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.960 can't even remember if you testified to the Warren Commission 318 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:53.399 or offered. 319 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.639 Testified that it was not a contacted by the Warren Commission. 320 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:01.559 Yeah, but that's not true because apparently he's in the volumes. 321 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:04.920 I've got to like go back over this and make 322 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.240 sure it's the same guy and everything else. But from 323 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.440 what I understand, somebody even gave me a page number 324 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.880 and a volume and everything like he's there, and I'm like, gee, 325 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.720 I don't remember this guy's name, but you know, there's 326 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.680 a lot of names in the Warren Commission volumes that 327 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:21.599 go by you after a while. I mean, there's a 328 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.519 lot of stuff after a while, unless you've been reading 329 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:23.960 it research. 330 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.519 His diagram kind of surprised me when you showed the 331 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.480 first shot was from the train vessel right all the 332 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.960 way to the fair end for the ELM and I thought, 333 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:36.799 I don't know if I agree with that. 334 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.799 Okay, So do me a favor and explain to me 335 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.799 how a basically a doctor in training in nineteen sixty 336 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:48.279 three is going to understand ballistics, trajectory and all these 337 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.240 other things to be He's now doing the thing that 338 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.400 a lot of witnesses do, which is, instead of just 339 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.519 telling you specifically the stuff they saw, they know for certain, 340 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:00.920 what do they do now on to the sol of 341 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.200 the case portion of their presentation? You know what I mean? 342 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.720 Yeah, Because the funny thing was he made a comment 343 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.319 about the shot to Kennedy's temple. He said, you know, 344 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:11.960 he had a shot at the temple and shot at 345 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:13.960 the back of the head. And he shows the two 346 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.559 bullets shooting Kennedy from the six field window, and he 347 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.359 shows one of them is supposedly hit Kennedy and one 348 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.960 of them hit Connolly. There is no magic bullet, so 349 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.839 where did the temple shot come from? He never showed that, 350 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:33.119 never showed three shots on his diagram. And I'm going, okay, well, 351 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.000 so when did he get hit in the temple and 352 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:36.920 that was the last shot? 353 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:37.640 Did he did? 354 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:37.720 He? 355 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:39.960 Even? I forget this part? Did he account for what 356 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:40.839 hit James? Take? 357 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:42.440 No? 358 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:42.599 No? 359 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.880 So well he did, he did, and he said it 360 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.680 was four shots. He said that one was the one 361 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:53.599 that missed, hit the curb and porbs going towards the 362 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.799 train trestle. Okay, but he showed the two bullets going 363 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.920 one to Kennedy and one to Connolly and said that 364 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.440 the magic bullet didn't happen. 365 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:05.799 So three shots from Oswald rifle and one from unknown 366 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.440 the railroad railroad trestle. 367 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:09.359 Yeah, okay. 368 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:14.680 I don't necessarily disagree with him, but I would like to, uh, 369 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:16.240 you know, you know, like they used to say in 370 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.160 math class, I want to see his work. Where the 371 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:19.960 hell are you getting these ideas? I want to know? 372 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.319 But I want to He actually wrenched the shot to 373 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:24.039 the temple. He shot the buy of the head shot at 374 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:25.759 the temple. I thought, okay, did he go through his 375 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.279 head and out his temple, because you're on to show 376 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:29.960 them two shots from the window and one from the 377 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.640 royal pass. Where is the other shot? 378 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:36.000 Well, shot to the temple would indicate based on that language, 379 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.359 that he's talking about an entrance, right, But yeah, is 380 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.680 it actually an entrance or are we talking about See 381 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.359 here's the thing. If you've got a wound, that doesn't 382 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.920 necessarily mean that wound originated from outside of the body 383 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:50.440 and a bullet struck and there's your wound. It could 384 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.000 be the bullet traveling through the body. Now you have 385 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.039 a wound as an exit exit wound. Duh, Okay, but 386 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:57.720 that's so said. 387 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.640 Though, if it hit here, if it exited out his temple, 388 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:02.359 that means it went in the back of the head. 389 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:04.240 So one shot went in the back of the head 390 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.400 and went out his left temple because his head was 391 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:07.559 slightly turned to the left. 392 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.319 Yeah, okay, just. 393 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.599 Say that happened. Okay, if that happened, how do you 394 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.319 explain everything bowing out the back of his head and 395 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.319 his head jerking backwards its equal in opposite reaction. Bullshit, 396 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.640 don't happen. I mean, you look at the zapruter film, 397 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.519 he's going forward and then boomed, he's going backwards. A 398 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.359 shot that would not have thrown him back that much. 399 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.039 If it hits him in the back of the head 400 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.799 and went out his temple, that means the pressure has 401 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.400 gone out of his head. There's no he's not just 402 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:40.000 going to whip. 403 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.279 Last bat right, and a high resolution look at the 404 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:49.079 at the Zappruter film will show you that he's leaning forward, struggling. 405 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.039 Jackie leans her face toward him and almost looks like 406 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:55.519 she says, you know what's going on or you are right, 407 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.960 because she doesn't know what's happening right, And as she does, 408 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.839 she is splashed and you see the reaction on her face. 409 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.200 I will never forget the first time I saw this, 410 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:08.039 and you don't usually see it in most of the 411 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.039 little you know clips you see on the internet or 412 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.799 you look at it on YouTube, but you can see 413 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:17.839 her literally recoil and close her eyes reflexively to protect 414 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:22.279 herself from the splash of matter hitting her. All right now, 415 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:25.119 I'm not saying that that's coming from you know, anywhere 416 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.720 except his head, and that could have come from a 417 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:30.599 frontal shot or rear shot. It's more likely that she 418 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.759 got hit, you know, splashed hard with something from the 419 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.720 rear based on the positioning of her face, but she's 420 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:37.960 leaning her face toward him as he struck. 421 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:44.759 So I've I went to Robin on HER's website back 422 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:50.559 when Education Film and all was going and the film 423 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:57.640 was going. He's got some excellent sections of disapproval film 424 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:01.160 that had been enhanced and the the jerking has taken 425 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:02.359 out of them, stabilized. 426 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:03.920 Okay, and you can. 427 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:06.680 Follow the shots. And I don't you know, I'm not 428 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.279 a doctor. I was in the army. I saw what 429 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:13.640 happened to people to that shot. So you look at 430 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.160 that film and you look at just the head shot, 431 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.240 I don't see how anybody when the side of his 432 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:25.599 temple peers and his head goes back and you see 433 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:29.279 the cloud of blood and brains and everything going to 434 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:33.200 the back, how can you say, I could very well 435 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.200 see that shot going through his temple and blowing out 436 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.559 the back of his head, which is basically what you 437 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:43.960 see in that movie. Stuff is flying out behind him, 438 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:46.920 parts of his head are landing on the trunk. How 439 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:52.160 can that be from a shot from behind? It just 440 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:53.319 doesn't make sense. 441 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.720 You're you're you're exactly right. And I will never understand 442 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:00.759 how that all makes sense that that's out from the front. 443 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.400 You know, feel he got one from you got one 444 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.640 from the front. That's a guarantee. In my mind, I got. 445 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.319 Two from the farm. The one in his throat, okay, 446 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.119 when he's coming out from behind the sign, when he's 447 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.319 grabbing his throat, that was a shot from the front. 448 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:18.880 And the one that went through the front of his 449 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.440 head and out the back was from the front. Is 450 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.279 that one shot from behind that hid him in his back? 451 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.480 And they said they pulled the depth that he could 452 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.119 feel the bottom of it with his finger, right, I 453 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.720 don't want how did that bit it go? 454 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.119 No, look, I don't disagree with you, but it is 455 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:39.440 possible that that could have been, you know, an exit 456 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.759 through the throat. I do believe it's possible. 457 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:46.440 But how did how did he get into his throat 458 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.680 and go out the front of his throat? Where did 459 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:49.559 him in the head? 460 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.559 In the back? Now it would have been the back 461 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:54.440 of the neck, the back, No, it would have been 462 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.720 a strike in the back and depending on how he 463 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.599 was bent at the time he was struck. Because here's 464 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.079 the thing, he's behind the sign. In my mind, when 465 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:04.119 he's hit, So it's difficult to see because that's when 466 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.799 the reaction begins, almost immediately after he emerges from behind 467 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.759 the sign in the suppruter film, and trying to sort 468 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.559 it out from you know what we have of Nick's 469 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:17.599 or much more is really difficult, but trying to just 470 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.640 use the subbruter film. He starts to react almost immediately 471 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.440 as he emerges, like within a couple of frames. And 472 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.559 by the way, in the chat room, I posted, h 473 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.359 what do you call it? Costello's restored frames of the. 474 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.799 Copy that Robin had. The ones I looked at were Costellos. 475 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:38.279 Yeah, it's not bad. It's it's good. It's good working 476 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:43.440 digital version of it. But anyways, at least thing, yeah, right, heard. 477 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:48.640 Me out all this? My my Solario is this. He's 478 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.160 at the upper end of the end, just the law. 479 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:56.640 They've just made the turn at the school book depository. 480 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.359 It is entirely possible that the first shots went off 481 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.119 at the same time, and that's why people heard one 482 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:12.799 shot because they heard one. The general description is one, two, three, Okay, 483 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.880 then the two and the three were closer together than 484 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:21.119 the one was to the two. First shot hits him 485 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:24.960 from the railroad pass or somewhere in that area in 486 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.319 the flat. At the same time, someone else fired behind 487 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.920 him and hit him in the back. When as they 488 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:37.319 go further down, you have the next shot that hit Connolly, 489 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.720 Then you have the shot that hit JP in the 490 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.799 head from the front from a shot. Then you have 491 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:52.319 the fifth shot, the one that shit take. Now, could 492 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.000 that have been they couldn't do the woe that hit 493 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.759 commonly because they had that pullet in him? Okay, right, 494 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.599 they didn't have a bullet from Kennedy's back, but they 495 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.039 felt the bottom of a wound. Could that have been 496 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.039 the pristine bullet? They just hit him in the muscle 497 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:10.480 in the back and didn't deform. 498 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.920 Well, here's the thing. Didn't know that beam without okay, 499 00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:18.680 but without actually sticking a flexible probe through there, you 500 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.440 don't know that that couldn't have changed trajectory when it 501 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.400 went into the body, and therefore, sticking your finger in 502 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.519 there not a fully effective methodology for tracking that wound. 503 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.480 I'm just saying so that it didn't show any damage 504 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.160 to his lungs and it didn't show any damage to 505 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:43.839 his ribcage. You know, Yeah, I believe it's possible that 506 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:48.720 a carcanoe bullet with a lousy old load could have 507 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.319 penetrated his back and stopped. Why didn't show up on 508 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.279 a stretcher. I don't know. Did they do chest compressions 509 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.880 they did, it could have forced it right out of 510 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.759 his back. But regardless of that, I think you definitely 511 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.880 have proof of shots from two directions just looking at 512 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:06.759 Kennedy's body. 513 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.160 Well, see, I think so too, And I think it 514 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.240 is likely that you have a six shot scenario as 515 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.599 opposed to a three, four or five. And why because 516 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.160 I had personally more than one piece of testimony from 517 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:25.440 witnesses that said they saw, you know, something strike the 518 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.920 street during this whole thing too. Okay, so you've got 519 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.720 one that hit the street and you know, thankfully didn't 520 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.799 strike anybody else. You got one that struck the curb 521 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.160 and hit tag. Whether it was a full bullet or 522 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:43.599 part of a bullet is unknown. Okay, who had. 523 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.759 The theory that one hit the overhanging arm of the 524 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:48.720 traffic signal? 525 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.200 Oh I forget who did that? 526 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.839 Because is that the one? Could that be the one 527 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.680 that hit ricocheted and got went down and struck the 528 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.640 concrete and got tag. Well, that would have had been 529 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.599 one of the first shots. 530 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.000 It would have been a weird one, would It would 531 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.559 have been one of the first shots, And it would 532 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.079 have been a very strange one because they they claimed 533 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.839 more than one of them said sparks, and one of 534 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.559 them was a cop who. 535 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:20.240 I've scored that too to say he saw sparks from the. 536 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.559 Pavement, right, and it stabs Ellis is the name that 537 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:24.359 sticks out to me. 538 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.640 But tag Ever put the shot that hit him in 539 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.160 the timeline of the shots. Well, he Ever said that 540 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.319 it was after the first sound, or after the second sound, 541 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.880 or after the final sound. 542 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.400 Well, here's the problem with Tag, Right, you have the 543 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:45.200 pre LBJ did It book James Tag and then you 544 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.440 have the LBJ did It book James Tate. There are 545 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:56.039 two different testimonies going on there. Okay. Once he kind of, 546 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:58.319 you know, really embraced his celebrity. I mean he had 547 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.359 an eBay story of the jfkse Fascination eBay store and 548 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.680 all that, and he was, you know sign you know, 549 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.799 sending sign pictures to everybody and all that kind of stuff. 550 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.440 He's got that what is it called eyewitness to his No, 551 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:17.640 not eyewitness to history. That's oh man, what is James 552 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:21.480 Tagg's books anyway, there's there's two different books. One of 553 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.799 them he shows for the FBI was harassing him and 554 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.839 trying to change his testimony and all that stuff. That's 555 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:31.599 his original piece of work before he got influenced and 556 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:36.400 then started getting into solving the crime. Right. See again, 557 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.279 this is another weird state where you got look if 558 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:41.920 you can get at what the witness actually saw and 559 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.799 experienced and not have it contaminated by the theories, that's 560 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.920 how you got to assemble this stuff. But James tag 561 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.480 once he got into the I know from insiders LBJ 562 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.599 did it. Once he got into that mindset, it was 563 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:02.000 all over everything else, even his original testimonies, original statements 564 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.279 about stuff. Uh you know who talked. Everything changed after that, 565 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.880 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I mean that's 566 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:12.920 literally how I ended up getting into arguments with him 567 00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.039 personally on the phone. 568 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.319 I'm just you know, I heard in this one clip, 569 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.839 you know, people were saying, hey, maybe in my role 570 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:27.640 it was you you're talking. The other night, I made 571 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.680 a comment, well that we need to have an as investigations, 572 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.920 they need to reopen it send to people any value. 573 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.440 Well, I think it could be because there are a 574 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.880 bunch of avenues that I don't really want to describe here, 575 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.319 but there are a bunch of avenues that were never 576 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:53.519 touched and they haven't been contaminated. And unless everything's been 577 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.200 destroyed or removed, you know, like we saw with with 578 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.160 the d i A and their destruction stuff and all that, 579 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.400 Unless all that stuff has been destroyed, there could still 580 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.720 be some valuable information about what was originally investigated, what 581 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.960 was originally collected that's still sitting in government hands. Believe 582 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.359 it or not, I don't know. 583 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.079 Anyway we're getting out to Epstein. I think we're at 584 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.319 a point, yeah, where relying on government agencies to tell 585 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.200 us what actually went to happen. I'll hold it up. 586 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.000 It's too late for that. We let it get by. 587 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.359 It should have been done when it hit the fail 588 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.480 Well it's still hung themself. They should have immediately has 589 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.079 been an investigation into what was going on. Yeah, but 590 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.519 you know, it's like I said, it's crocks and a 591 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.400 womb shield. You don't know how far they're going to go, 592 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.400 and you don't know how many you know, or what 593 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:43.559 direction they're going to go in. 594 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.759 See, but that's the thing. It took like five years 595 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.240 for people to get the word out about the Warrant 596 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:54.119 Commission is obviously full crap, right, So you know, between 597 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.039 Lane and the radio shows and the media attention, and 598 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.839 then you know, nineteen sixty eight CBS reinvestigates and all 599 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.200 that other stuff like it took till sixty eight when 600 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.400 people went, okay, you know what, this is a problem. 601 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.160 I mean. And then of course you have Garrison and 602 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.000 all that, and people went, okay, there's something wrong here. 603 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.519 But by the time they did all that, now, who 604 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.400 was going to be interested in reinvestigation, you know what 605 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.519 I mean? And that's only five years later. So when 606 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.680 did Epstein hang himself? Now we're talking, we're only talking 607 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.160 not that long ago, right, I mean, what was it, 608 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:35.880 twenty two young himself? Yeah, let me take a look. 609 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.200 But the thing is, yeah, go ahead. But the thing is, 610 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.279 it's like, you know, the first thing was the cameras 611 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.480 didn't work, and then of course Michael Boden comes out 612 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.440 that that's the really bad red flag. As soon as 613 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.160 I see that, when they're twenty twenty nineteen, Okay, it 614 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.440 was a little further away, I thought, okay, six years ago. Wow, 615 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.640 so we've hit that threshold. Five year threshold I'm talking about. 616 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.200 But as soon as you see Michael Bobdom show up 617 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.599 to be putting any kind of stamp on anything, the 618 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.680 game is over. Because Bottom was out there making strange statements. 619 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.039 To be honest with the cirri Wect was making contradictory 620 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.400 statements about what the evidence should have shown for his hanging. 621 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.039 You know, was it physically even possible for him to 622 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.960 utilize the stuff they say that was in there everything else? When, meanwhile, 623 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.680 did anybody properly collect the stuff off the scene. You know, 624 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.599 it's funny. I don't recall ever seeing that they're I mean, 625 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.000 there had to have been evidence collected, but no, that. 626 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.160 Was one of the that was one of the complaints 627 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:45.200 that I think the medical examiner had is that. 628 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.200 They didn't with Yeah, they didn't secure everything right away, 629 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.759 which is they should have taken everything that was in there, 630 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.640 bagged it up and labeled it and brought it in 631 00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.920 so that you could put, you know, reassemble the scenario. Right. 632 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.160 If he hung himself with a sheet, then okay, let's 633 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.319 see the sheet. You know, if it was the bedpost. 634 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.519 Is those barraculous paper sheets that they'd give them to 635 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.719 keep them from beings to hand themselves. Betther they wouldn't 636 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.760 do enough testing on their paper sheets. 637 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.840 Yeah, I guess not, because look, if you get one 638 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.920 of those foil blankets. Now, some of those things rip 639 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.599 if you blow on them, you know. But some of 640 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.440 those things depends which you know, which one they had, 641 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.559 So I'd have to see which one it was. And 642 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.760 either way, even if you have an idea about the 643 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.880 tolerance or the the strength of the implements utilized or 644 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.760 whatever else, I don't care about those things because I 645 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.199 want to see the exact item that did it right, 646 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.559 because there could be an inconsistency with it. It could 647 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.760 have been, you know, dipped in something you could have, 648 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.280 you know, for all I know, you know he took 649 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.280 his paper sheet and dipped it in a wax or 650 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.079 made a plaster of Paris with it to strengthen the loop. 651 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.920 I don't know, right unless I actually have the item 652 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.199 in my hands, you know what I'm saying. 653 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.880 So if I wanted to hold myself from a bunk 654 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.400 bed in a jail cell, I would think I would 655 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.440 take off my orange jump suit. It is tougher than 656 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:12.960 the paper sheets. 657 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.760 Seat maybe, But then again, here's the other issue, how 658 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.320 much do you weigh? How much did Epstein weigh? See, 659 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.239 trying to hang one hundred and fifty pound man is 660 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.559 a little different than hanging a two hundred and something 661 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:26.199 pound man. 662 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.920 Well, it's difficult to hang any man that stands over 663 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.519 five foot six inches high off a bunk bed. 664 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.440 Yes, that's true too, So what about those measurements? And oh, 665 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.519 by the way, was that bunk bed, you know, in 666 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.320 a configuration that gave it that height or did they 667 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.880 add to it? See again, I would want the exact 668 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.559 items collected to show me. I mean, I've seen bunk 669 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.239 beds that bend just based on somebody climbing up them, 670 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.079 you know, because they're made so badly. I don't know 671 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:54.920 what these things are made of, or if they're you know, 672 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.079 the old like military cots, you know what I mean 673 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.840 that you could stack on top of one. I don't 674 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.400 know which kind of thing they had there. I mean, 675 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.000 we've all seen the pictures, but unless you actually know 676 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.039 the item and have the item, you don't know. So 677 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.280 that whole place should have been you know, everything should 678 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.039 have been collected from that joint. Okay, just knowing that 679 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.360 you were going to have this controversy. But probably what 680 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.199 they did is they just cleaned it up, bagged a 681 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.360 few things, and then sent the next new prisoners in there. 682 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.880 Right, and it was everything was was wash it down. 683 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:29.599 It a squeegee, all right, that's true? 684 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.639 Yeah right? And oh, by the way, none of the 685 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.840 cameras worked. Oh well, you know what the hell. 686 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.840 That worked during that specific time. They worked all the 687 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.000 other times, right, but they didn't work at that time. 688 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.360 What are the odds? 689 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.880 Yeah, I mean that's just some bad luck there, you know, 690 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.760 for a guy who had good luck his whole life. 691 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:49.679 I got to tell you Epstein had bad luck when 692 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.400 it came to the cam quarders. Hey, maybe that's an 693 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.599 issue there. And oh, by the way, what did happen 694 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:56.719 to all the video that was supposedly seized? 695 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.119 Because all through it now, Yeah, I can honestly believe 696 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.000 that while the Biden was in office with his DJ 697 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.360 they weren't looked at. They were looked at to see 698 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.440 who they could get dirt on, and then they were 699 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.119 put away. I'm sure some of them have been done 700 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.000 away with that. Maybe they've had those films, right, you know, 701 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.840 they're going through them now. Nobody's gone through them before. Now, 702 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:27.719 it was the entire Justice Department politicized enough that no 703 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.599 one looked into it Justice see who they might be 704 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.039 able to bring charges against, because once they got slain 705 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:39.079 Maxwell in jail, everything went away and he didn't know, right, 706 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.440 you know, you know, well she's been you know, we 707 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.559 got re Prouff tough her, so we're okay. 708 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.880 Yeah, you know that's completely unbelievable. Because you got enough 709 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.320 employees at a Walmart. You can't get them to be 710 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.239 unified enough to pay attention to something or not pay 711 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:55.119 attention to something. 712 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.639 Well, you can't tell me that some investigator didn't sit 713 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.559 down and start writing down a dirt file. Who got 714 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.760 video on you know that this guy, this guy, this guy, 715 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.760 and this guy. You know I want to need information. 716 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:06.840 You won't put him the. 717 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.719 Work exactly, an FBI guy with with access to that. 718 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.360 Let me let me put you this way. Let's just 719 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.400 say a guy wants to go after and get political 720 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.519 information or how about this. If I was in there 721 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.920 and just had access to that and had some time 722 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.360 on my hands, I might say to myself, you know, 723 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.840 if I get enough of this material together, I got 724 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.559 a book. 725 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.000 Exactly, I'm look at it this way no, even go 726 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:34.000 back to Hoover, Hoover's fb. Hoover ran his FBI as 727 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.000 a way to get dirt on people, and that's how 728 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.360 he stayed the head of the FBI for so long. 729 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:38.800 Yep. 730 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.719 You know, his good buddy Biden or LBJ sat there 731 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.400 and said, I'm gonna keep you on for life. Because 732 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.320 they were buddies. They were helping each other out. You 733 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.199 can't tell me what that That kind of attitude within 734 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.960 the FBI didn't carry over through the years. And you know, 735 00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.960 somebody and line they got their hands on that footage, 736 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.039 started going through it and saying, okay, this one, we 737 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.039 need to go put it into secret vault because we 738 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.599 didn't need that one. In a little while, we about 739 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.079 to hold some data where somebody just tell me the 740 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.679 FBI hasn't created the van dirt file on everybody that 741 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:15.440 they got on. 742 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.360 Video, just exactly just for the purposes of sorting and separating. 743 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.000 Somebody had to have gone through it already. And the 744 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.119 other thing to consider here, Oh, by the way, three 745 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.039 one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's 746 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.800 the number to call it if you want to join us. 747 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.119 Three one nine five two seven five zero one six 748 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.639 you got to be realistic about this stuff. No matter 749 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.480 how politicized the FBI was. Here's the other thing guaranteed 750 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.239 that you know, Oh it was just all by. You 751 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.760 can't tell me that the entirety of the people that 752 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.599 were in the FBI were all on Biden's side. Okay, 753 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.920 there's awesome. Plenty of them had to be on the 754 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.159 opposition side. Some of them still have their jobs. Some 755 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.440 of them were appointed by Trump or Rump people before that. Anyway, 756 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.199 So you know, come on, it's not only that. 757 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.079 You know, they hit his place in New York and 758 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.199 they were worried about the island, but you don't hear 759 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.360 anything about him raiding his place out and what was 760 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.440 at Arizona in New Mexico. You don't hear about him 761 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.360 getting in this place in Florida, you know, where there 762 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.639 were things that he was accused of that went on 763 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.079 there as well. Right in those places, I haven't heard 764 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.639 one people where they went through those properties, well, not one. 765 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.239 The grand jury in two thousand and six is all Florida, right, 766 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.360 I mean, that's a that's a state case. So that's 767 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.679 what a Costa was involved in. So anyway, look, I'll 768 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.519 tell you another funny thing that came up this week 769 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.440 where people are not being realistic Joe Biden and his 770 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.440 cancer diagnosis. Okay, first of all, if you can't figure 771 00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.280 out that, you know, the White House doctors don't share 772 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.800 every piece so medical you know, we don't get the 773 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.440 whole ins and outs on everything that suspect on the 774 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:08.199 President or anybody else. Okay, that's just not going to happen, 775 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.039 and we don't have a position being clear about things. 776 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:15.800 Oh wait a minute, ever since the Kennedy years, Okay, 777 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.679 the White House physician even all the way up to 778 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:26.119 the HSCA, the military doctors who did the autopsy. Right again, 779 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.119 I'm holding up their quotes for those of you playing 780 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.920 at home. But the thing is, those guys who did 781 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.519 the autopsy didn't even want to admit on the record 782 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.679 in nineteen seventy nine or eight whatever gear it was 783 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.480 that they actually sat down Hume's Boswell. I think they 784 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.960 sat down Humes in Boswell only, but they might add Fink. 785 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:50.079 At one point either way, the medical panel had a 786 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.960 non public meeting with them. They didn't want to talk 787 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.119 about Addison's disease even Okay, they didn't want to discuss 788 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.920 the adrenal glands. They didn't want to discuss a bunch 789 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.760 of different things. Actually, but that jumped right out at 790 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.239 me was like, the guy's dead. It no longer matters 791 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.440 if he had Addison's disease and what we're still so look, 792 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.599 let's be honest. The fact that nobody said anything before 793 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.039 about Biden having cancer is a either a product of 794 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:24.039 the cancer moved fast or be a product of No, 795 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.920 the White House physician is not going to reveal everything 796 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:27.519 to the world. 797 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.280 Well, Joe Biden let it slip in the head cancer. 798 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.880 I forget that talking was given back about three years ago. 799 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.920 Really made a comment, you know, because of all the 800 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.159 oil and everything that was being produced their where it 801 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.679 grew up in Pennsylvania, and you know, having a white 802 00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.199 to pay off the windshields and every morning for you 803 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.480 into work, and you know, that's why we and he 804 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.639 made a comment, you know, we were are subject to 805 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.719 that's why. Well, I forget exactly how he said it, 806 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.599 but he said, you know, we have cancer. He let 807 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.519 it slip all the in and he's got well you 808 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.440 know about it. 809 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.119 Or maybe that was something else nobody knew about. See, 810 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.559 look the way he stutters and mutters over everything. It's 811 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.199 possible it could have gone in a lot of different 812 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.000 directions there. All I'm trying to say is it should 813 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.719 be no shock to anybody that nobody reveals this stuff 814 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.599 till later. I don't know if you remember this guy Reagan, 815 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.559 but remember he had like, you know, some kind of 816 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.480 cancerous thing on his nose. And then also he ended 817 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.320 up with something on his prostate, and it was like, ah, 818 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.480 no big deal, We just you know, sliced off something 819 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.440 off his nose and he had a poll up or something, 820 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:39.039 you know, in his prostate. And meanwhile, nobody wanted to 821 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.320 talk about the fact that the guy was already slipping. 822 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.360 Nobody brought that out in public back then because for 823 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.159 the good of the country, right, we can't have the 824 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.159 president look like he's slipping. They'll start questioning everything. So, 825 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.960 you know, and he had all kinds of stuff going on. 826 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.760 Who knows what the truth about Ronald Reagan's second term 827 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.880 was when it came to his health. And oh, by 828 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.599 the way, if you think Trump is in perfectly good shape, 829 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.920 I don't know what to tell you. Okay, I'm sure 830 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.840 he's not in the best shape at you know, what 831 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.519 is he eighty. Now he's eighty, isn't he? How old? 832 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:19.400 Is close to it? He's on up there. But you know, 833 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.519 Trump is one of those people that are noised so many. 834 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:22.840 He probably lived to be one hundred. 835 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.239 Oh yeah, But that doesn't mean he's perfectly completely healthy. 836 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.360 He might live forever. But you know, the Queen of 837 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.559 England was what was she one hundred years old? Almost right? 838 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.440 But I guarantee you she was not getting ready to 839 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.880 jump up and do jumping jacks. You know what I'm saying. 840 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.119 I mean she was not imperfectly in perfect health. I mean, 841 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.639 just at that age, you're not in perfect health. Okay, eight, 842 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.079 he's seventy eight. Okay, it was all right, fair enough, 843 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.800 But at seventy eight even you know you're not in 844 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:58.000 perfect health. It's it's almost unless you're somebody who you know, 845 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.400 absolutely ate everything, right. And this guy, you know what 846 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.760 he eats. You see what he eats. He's drinking die coke, 847 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.280 which is bad enough, and I mean that that'll destroy 848 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.440 you alone, all right. So looks and I'm not even 849 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.639 picking on him. I'm just saying, if you think you're 850 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.320 getting told the truth about the condition of the executive 851 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:20.280 in the office, you're out of your mind. 852 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.000 I'll be honest with you. I think it was. I 853 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.000 think it was planned to just go ahead and run 854 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.239 him and hope he would get reelected and know him that. 855 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.400 You know, Bobby didn't have long and that's how Kamala 856 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.239 would take over. She would have if you think about it, 857 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.559 we came very close. That's what I thought of having 858 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.480 her appointed president or not a single vote through a 859 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.239 quality that she ever won, right. 860 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.880 No, No, And that that was honestly back then when 861 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.199 they were talking about him running again, because remember he 862 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.039 was only supposed to do to one term, and he's like, no, 863 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:56.599 I'm going to run again, and I was like, what 864 00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.920 I would have The only reason to do that would 865 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.239 be to pretty much have him become incapacitated at some point. 866 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.039 Whether he died or not would be another issue. But 867 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.079 I figured his twenty fifth Amendment is going to happen here, 868 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.199 you know. And that's before he did the debate and 869 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.199 everybody went see see, look, see what's wrong with him. 870 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.079 You just knew it was over at that point. So 871 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.320 the only reason to do that now was to try 872 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.280 and pass him off as electable to hand it over 873 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.159 to her. But that didn't work out, did it. 874 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.320 I kind of put off after that debate. And what 875 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.599 gets me is they honest. I can't believe that his 876 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.320 staff actually thought he would go into that debate and 877 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:44.079 look good. 878 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:44.719 Well. 879 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.599 See that's the thing. At a certain point, they were 880 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.880 protecting him and a decision was clearly made. I mean, 881 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:56.119 it's either that or it's such horrific incompetence that you know, 882 00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.000 if I was Biden, I'd be looking for some heads 883 00:46:58.039 --> 00:46:59.320 to roll because I'd be pissed. 884 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:05.719 I don't well, I think they I think Biden screwed 885 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.280 him over. I said, yeah, i'll debate. I think that 886 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.599 was Biden. His ego was too big, even not to 887 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:18.000 try to hold his own and he thought. I think 888 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.760 his ego was big enough, big enough a little that 889 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.639 he got it was burst after that debate. But I 890 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.760 thought he thought he could pull it off. 891 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.440 See, Okay, The reason why I don't buy it again 892 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.440 is because of Reagan, because at a certain point, Reagan 893 00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:34.519 was being protected. 894 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.920 You know, you want to realize Biden's big thing to 895 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.840 that point was he was the only you know, he 896 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.360 was the only person that could be Oh. 897 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.559 Yeah, I get it, but that would have been a 898 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.000 point to run him as a figurehead. My point is 899 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.320 is that public appearances were very much managed in the 900 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.880 second Reagan administration, and they managed it in some cases 901 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.800 by tricking him. You know, all you got to do 902 00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.400 is Okay, yes, sir, we're going to bring it to 903 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.119 the debate, and then you turn around and you cancel 904 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.679 it at the last minute because of emergency. Literally, just 905 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.559 create another emergency and sorry, the president can't be on 906 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.280 a debate stage because we have a critical issue. You 907 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.880 can invent a critical issue at any moment and justify it. Okay, 908 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.880 you could say there's some problem in Syria or whatever, 909 00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:20.519 and our troops might be needed. 910 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.400 To just not to realize though, I don't think Reagan 911 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:29.000 had problems until about midway of his second term. So 912 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.239 you've got guys. Yeah, they were protecting him to make 913 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.159 it seem like everything was hockey dory. In this case, 914 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:42.119 Biden was so bad before the chance to get his 915 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.920 second term that I think Biden blew it. I think 916 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.039 Biden thought he could win. Yeah, but that's just how 917 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:50.239 big his ego was. 918 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.079 They started to manage Reagan. If you remember, from eighty 919 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.400 to eighty four, right Reagan was on live TV all 920 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:02.760 the time right and outside of the thing with Kadafi, 921 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.239 I guess it was he didn't go on live TV 922 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.840 again after that, like when his second term started, no 923 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.320 more live TV, and you can see the outtakes where 924 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.920 they're having to coach him, they're having to massage him. 925 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.960 They definitely needed to edit what it was they released 926 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.960 and all that, and then you ended up with taped 927 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.800 statements from the White House instead of live TV. They 928 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.400 managed that and his public appearances. 929 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:34.360 You know, I don't I really though, I don't know. 930 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.440 I just I don't think Reagan was anywhere near bad 931 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:37.239 as Biden was. 932 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.800 I'm not saying he was metal health wise. I don't 933 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:46.239 think he get deteriorated. He had, but like I say, 934 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.880 he handled his debates and everything during the re election 935 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.320 I think without a problem. 936 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:54.159 I think it was after that when he really started 937 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.320 going down hill, started going downhill fast. But Biden was bad. 938 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:03.920 They say those problems with Biden when he left as 939 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.360 vice president, he was starting to go bad. Maybe so 940 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.800 he had four years of Trump's first thing to get worse. 941 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.840 I think there was a big difference between the medical 942 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.199 deterioration of Biden versus Reagan. I think Biden was much 943 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:19.920 worse earlier. 944 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.039 I'm not trying to make a direct comparison as to 945 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.400 who was worse. I'm simply saying that Reagan was dead right. Yeah. 946 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.360 They managed, Yes, they managed his appearances and everything else, 947 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.880 and managed the narrative. They did a good job of it. 948 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.480 I don't think I think Biden's ego is what fought 949 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:41.440 against I think his handlers. There were times where he 950 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.000 said stuff and said yeah, we'll do this or we'll 951 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.119 do that. It just pissed off as handlers, and they 952 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.280 would find a way to brush it aside. But I 953 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.400 think I think Biden's ego, you know, like I said, 954 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.840 he went into that re election as her I'm got 955 00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.320 to be Trump. I'm the only one to beat him again. 956 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:06.440 I think his ego is so big. I don't know 957 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.159 a lot of people seem to want to talk nice 958 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:14.639 about Biden during his I don't know his waning months, 959 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.840 let's say a waning years. I don't want to talk 960 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.400 bad about him, but I mean, he's been a prick 961 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.639 since he got in office, and I look, he's had 962 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.920 a huge ego since he's been in office. 963 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:28.599 If you think for a second, I'm a fan of 964 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.199 a career politician who stayed overstayed his welcome, and sat 965 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.400 there in power even though he couldn't manage it. No, 966 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.760 I have no nice things to say about him, not 967 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.079 even from the beginning. This guy was a career politician 968 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.440 who is directly responsible and interacted with some of the 969 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.400 worst decisions made in this country's history. That is Joe 970 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.920 Riden in a nutshell. But the thing is Ronald Reagan. 971 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.000 My point about him is that he started to suffer 972 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.239 the front end of Alzheimer's in that second term, that 973 00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.920 I am certain of, and they managed it so well 974 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.280 though that the public didn't even see it. Nobody talked 975 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.360 about you know, oh gee, Reagan's got outside. I mean, 976 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.679 you know, some comedians made jokes about he was a 977 00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.159 little old, and you know, the wackiness of the TV. 978 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.079 He didn't have the media faverage what you have now. 979 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.119 Well, no, so that was easier to manage because, yeah, 980 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.199 you had to purposely go on live TV and all 981 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.480 that kind of stuff, whereas these guys can you know, 982 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.239 flip open something and be on Twitter in five seconds, 983 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.440 you know, which is a whole other issue. But I 984 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.320 think what happened here is that they decided to stop 985 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.639 protecting him because anybody would have known it would have 986 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.039 been an imperative to keep him off of that debate 987 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.880 stage or to minimize his exposure during that debate one 988 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.360 way or another, because I mean the second he tried, 989 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.519 remember when he peeled the mask off and all that, 990 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.719 and it's hanging from his ear, and I mean it 991 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.719 was just like clearly grampaiing with it, you know what 992 00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:56.039 I mean. 993 00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.000 It's like, oh, I think we can, we can. You know, 994 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.199 thank Joe Biden for a lot of that too. It's 995 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.440 understanding from stuff I've read that she was the main 996 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.559 force behind him running for reelection. I wanted to talk 997 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:11.159 him into it. 998 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:15.079 Well that's just foolishness again, mismanagement. But if you're going 999 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.920 to run him for reelection, you run him as a 1000 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.719 figurehead and then let Kamala take over. That was the idea, 1001 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.360 and I thought that's what they were doing. 1002 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.639 But I'm surprised, honestly that when the debate meant so bad, yep, 1003 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.039 that they didn't automatically tell the Democrats, Okay, twenty fifth 1004 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.719 Amendment time, we're going to get him out, get Kamala in. 1005 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.440 Now Kamala can run for reelection as an incumbent. I'm 1006 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.920 really surprised they didn't try to pull that off. 1007 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.960 Well because technically speaking, again, it's supposed to be up 1008 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.840 to eight, you know, two terms or ten years. The 1009 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.239 ten years is there so that in case you serve 1010 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.239 as a vice president coming in, you still have two 1011 00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:57.960 terms of your own, so long as you didn't have 1012 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:58.960 more than half a term in. 1013 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:02.760 That was the idea, and that I'm really surprised that 1014 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.480 they didn't try to put her in. Where is the 1015 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.400 debate June or May? 1016 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:08.599 Uh? 1017 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.960 Jeez, I don't even remember May or June somewhere in there. 1018 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.360 It was beginning of summer when he did so badly 1019 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.400 and the press just started going all way now where 1020 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.440 it's going to be hard to kind of, you know, 1021 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.480 hide this one. We can only take that for him 1022 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.239 so much. I'm really surprised that the NIFAT didn't get 1023 00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:29.519 together and said, right, right, he showed he's we just 1024 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.000 found out, just like you, the man has dementia, he's 1025 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.599 not qualified. Let's get rid of him. Kamala goes in, 1026 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.559 then she gets to run as the president. 1027 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.679 Right. It was toward the end of June, by the way. Yeah, okay, 1028 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.599 so yeah, and then and then that would have skipped 1029 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.199 the whole primary thing too. 1030 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.239 That if they had gotten rid of him and they 1031 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.199 co president, this would have been a totally different election. 1032 00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:01.199 Trump would have won, Trump would he would have won. 1033 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.119 I'm just trying to figure out how much more he 1034 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:09.039 would have won than if she was running as the VP. 1035 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.840 Well, I don't know, because they would have had more 1036 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:18.159 time to work out a propaganda campaign, you know, So 1037 00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.760 I don't know. I really don't know, because people are 1038 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.639 often affected by the propaganda regardless of the facts. So 1039 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.800 I mean, it's it's difficult to say. To be honestly, 1040 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:29.320 I don't know if you would have won by more. 1041 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.800 I knew the second they switched her in. I was like, well, 1042 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:36.199 that's game over because there's no way she beats him. 1043 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.920 It's impossible. Anyway, we do have a caller on the line, 1044 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.559 so I want to get to them and see what's 1045 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:48.960 on their mind. And you're live, what's up, Hey, guys? 1046 00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:49.480 How are you doing? 1047 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:54.239 Good night or good evening? Hey, okay, Chris, how are 1048 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:54.599 you doing. 1049 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.920 I'm doing I'm doing social I just had a question 1050 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:04.599 for the two of yous. If the Democrats decided to 1051 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.320 instead of going with the cryptkeeper in chief. Do you 1052 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.119 think they still like if they. 1053 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:16.480 Pulled him off away from the re election thing originally, 1054 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:19.199 do you think they still would have tried to go 1055 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.760 with Kamala or who do you think like the. 1056 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.079 Next the runner up would be if they decided to 1057 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:26.039 just trash her too. 1058 00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.159 Yeah, See, here's the deal. They would have chosen a 1059 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.119 different You would have ended up with a different vice 1060 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.840 president on the ticket with Kamala. And if they were 1061 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.719 going to go See, initially I thought they were going 1062 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.440 to try and protect him the rest of the way 1063 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.159 through and then all you got to do is get 1064 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.719 him sworn in. And then somewhere in March or so like, 1065 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.639 say around now you turn around, you say, oh, cancer diagnosis. 1066 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.800 You know what, he's incapacitated between the chemo therapy and 1067 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.960 his age and whatever else. We can't help it. And 1068 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:01.239 now Kamala's president and now we a point of VP. 1069 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.519 Now that VP better be strong for re election, you know, 1070 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.320 four years later. But they would have already had the end. 1071 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.039 I thought that was what the strategy was. But what 1072 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.480 confused me is it just seems like they decided not 1073 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.000 to protect him anymore because I would have made it 1074 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.880 an imperative for him not to get on that debate 1075 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:22.199 stage if I was trying to manage that. And even 1076 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.960 looking back at the way they managed Reagan, it was 1077 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.920 like they kept him out of the public spotlight for 1078 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.599 almost the entirety of that second term so that he 1079 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.400 wouldn't slip up. And I've seen the outtakes when they 1080 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.519 tried doing the pre recorded stuff, it's rough. 1081 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.559 Yeah, and when he had he's got the full blown 1082 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.280 on Alzheimer's by that point. 1083 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:43.840 Well, by the time he got out office, yeah, he is, 1084 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.000 he was done. But there's a certain point where he's 1085 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.159 transitioning and he's forgetting things like the person's name was 1086 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.119 sitting right in front of him that he spent all 1087 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.599 day with, you know, and it's like, okay, no, I 1088 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:57.800 don't remember your name, but I do remember, Yeah, which 1089 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.480 country are we talking about again? I mean, that kind 1090 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.519 of stuff was going on in the outtakes, which nobody 1091 00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:07.239 saw until like maybe five years ago, so you know, 1092 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.920 and then they put out a very well edited piece 1093 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.760 where Reagan's looking at the camera and he's acting. He's 1094 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:15.840 still you know, he could get himself back with it 1095 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.679 for a couple of minutes, and that's the thing. Biden 1096 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:21.119 could do that too, but somebody needed to manage him 1097 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.320 because remember he made statements on TV and people were like, see, 1098 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.800 he's fine, and he did. He looked fine in a 1099 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.800 very controlled short burst where they knew who was going 1100 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.760 to ask the questions. He was already prepared for it. 1101 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.920 And he also had the excuse of look, I gotta go, 1102 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.400 you know. So he's like in and out of walking 1103 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:41.840 in and out of a room and this and that, 1104 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.639 and he can handle it very coordinated. Yeah, But at 1105 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.320 some point somebody dropped the ball there, and it was 1106 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.920 June already, so you know, I don't know what the 1107 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:55.440 thought process was there, but it just appears to me 1108 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.800 like somebody decided to stop protecting him, and the only 1109 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.440 way that they were going to do it is if 1110 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.320 they really seriously highly managed it. You know, like remember 1111 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.559 them keeping him out Remember during the pandemic supposedly twenty 1112 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.559 twenty when he got selected, the guy was being kept 1113 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.199 in the basement, remember the whole complaint. Well, yeah, because 1114 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:18.239 they were managing his public appearances, so he was probably 1115 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.360 already on the you know, Reagan's second term decline during 1116 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.599 his first term, you know, like before he got in 1117 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.800 there like during Trump's term. Like mean, Pete was saying, 1118 00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.519 I don't disagree with any of that, but what is 1119 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.320 weird to me is it just seems like somebody decided 1120 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.639 that we're not going to protect him anymore. And I 1121 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.199 don't know what the calculus was there, unless they wanted 1122 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:41.800 to lose to Trump, because that's the only outcome I 1123 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.440 see there. Kamala was unelectable. There's a reason why she 1124 00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:50.719 could not even score a victory in the very heavily 1125 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:56.119 manipulated Democratic primaries. She couldn't score a victory against Joe Biden, 1126 00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:00.599 you know, not exactly mister electric personality out there. And 1127 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.679 she even tried the whole Hey, I was a little 1128 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.559 black girl on a school bus and you were over 1129 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.000 there agreeing with the guy who didn't want to integrate 1130 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.000 the schools. Huh huh, what about that old racist white man. 1131 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.159 That didn't work. None of that works because she's unworkable. 1132 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.239 Yeah, she got out before the first primary vote. 1133 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.840 Because they ran right out of money because everybody they 1134 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.639 abandoned ship like rats. It was like, screw this, I'm 1135 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:24.400 not throwing ball. 1136 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.320 And that's when they were They were also manipulating, you 1137 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.519 know how you had to be on poles, Mason White 1138 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.440 poles and all that, because that's what kept Tulca Gabbard 1139 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.760 on a lot of debates. She had the points to 1140 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.800 go on after Iowa to a couple of them. There 1141 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.960 were a couple she was excluded from. But Kamala didn't 1142 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.719 even make it to the first primary. She was so bad. 1143 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.000 Yeah. Well, also the prejudice you kind of you kind 1144 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.559 of like Tulci though, that's that's the prejudice there. 1145 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.440 She had the points, well, she had the points, but 1146 01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.400 that was one of her complaints. People were hitting certain 1147 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.639 milestones in the polls, and then the d n C 1148 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.559 changed the pride to for the mixt debate. That's how 1149 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:09.159 I got rid of her. That's how they got They 1150 01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.519 looked what they did to Bernie. Okay, Randon, we're willing 1151 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:12.519 to burn anybody. 1152 01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:16.559 Oh no, they need cat Bernie. They mee captain twice. 1153 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:18.440 You talk about a rug poll. 1154 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.760 Yeah no, he should listen. There's two times this guy 1155 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:25.360 should have been the Democratic nominee twice as far as 1156 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:29.079 I'm concerned. But anyway, oh yeah, let me ask you 1157 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.639 this real quick though, just on the Telsea Gabbard issue. 1158 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:33.239 And then I'll drop it with a s mark on 1159 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:36.960 my face. You think she's doing a good job, as 1160 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:42.400 you know DNC there, because you know, come on, you 1161 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.079 think this is all good with the transparency and all that. 1162 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:46.480 You think she's doing a good job. 1163 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.079 I don't want to be what the job she's doing 1164 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:50.960 so far, but I wish there's some other things she 1165 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:51.400 would do. 1166 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.199 Okay, that's that's forgiving. 1167 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.519 You lawful all you want. But you look at what 1168 01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.039 she's taking on. And he was in that place before 1169 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.039 she went in there. If you had clapped, you had Blennan, 1170 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:11.199 you had people that were absolutely crooked and should be 1171 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.639 in jail. She's got to go in there and start 1172 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.840 spending the sledtam with the bust it up. I hope 1173 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.679 she does. Now. There's been some security issues that have 1174 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.679 come up that I don't know why she hasn't been 1175 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.719 on top of it or they keeping her away from 1176 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.920 certain things. But yeah, she needs to go in there 1177 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.760 and just set off the biggest bob she can and 1178 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:36.199 shadder shatter our national security complex because it ain't for 1179 01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.320 national security. Yeah, but she had a security of those 1180 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.000 with the money and the power to benefit from it, and. 1181 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.159 She ain't gonna do that, And I'm kind of glad 1182 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.719 that they didn't bring her onto the stage because she 1183 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.679 wasn't a Democrat, as I said at the time, but 1184 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:51.119 nobody wanted to listen to me. 1185 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:56.559 At a Democrats Bernie. In fact, she was supporting Bernie's 1186 01:02:56.639 --> 01:03:01.760 run when she got out. She was supporting Bernie over Hillary. 1187 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.000 Yeah, well, because she couldn't possibly side with Hillary for 1188 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.320 God's sake, I mean, you know who could See. That's 1189 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.159 the other weird thing about the democratic calculus is like 1190 01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:15.000 asking to lose. You know, you don't want to be 1191 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.760 in power. It's clear even if you go surface level 1192 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.000 and you don't believe in any of the conspiracy stuff 1193 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.519 that I do that's under the surface there. If you 1194 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:26.559 just go with surface level politics, Hillary Clinton was an unelectable, 1195 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:32.719 pointless publicity stunt. Okay, that's all she was. So you're 1196 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.119 with her. You're with her because you. 1197 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.960 Flit. If it hadn't been Trump, she's still a very 1198 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.559 good chance of taking that election from anybody else that 1199 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.039 was on the Republican side that would have been there 1200 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:46.599 had Trump gotten in. 1201 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.800 See, I don't think so, I got to I don't 1202 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:53.159 think so, because look, even among her supporters back then, 1203 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.679 when I was desperately trying to find some please send 1204 01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:02.159 me somebody from I literally contacted campaign. I contacted the 1205 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:06.239 Georgia office of the campaign. I contacted the Jersey based 1206 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.880 office of the campaign. I tried to get a representative 1207 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:14.280 on here to enthusiastically explain to me why it is 1208 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:20.360 I should have Hillary Clinton as my president. Yeah, it 1209 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.239 was her turn, but see it obviously wasn't because it 1210 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:23.679 didn't work. 1211 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.039 Nor if he hadn't been Trump, Like I said, Trump, 1212 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.760 in my opinion, Trump would have run as a Democrat, 1213 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.480 but he knew wouldn't be Hillary as a Democrat, and 1214 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:38.719 that's why he ran Republican. Well, if Trump had gone. 1215 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.679 Up to that time, Trump had been supporting Democratic presidential nominees. 1216 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.599 Now pray, yes, he has supported both sides over the years, 1217 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.760 he said New York Illustrate Developer. He's going to That's 1218 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.679 part of your job is to pay both sides. So, 1219 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:55.639 like he said, I know the system, folk because I 1220 01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:58.039 use it. So he took the good advantage of it. 1221 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.880 But I think he did he knew that if he 1222 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.000 ran against Jerry in the primary, Harry was going to win. 1223 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:07.000 Like I said, look at what they did to Bernie 1224 01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:08.079 as strong as he was. 1225 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.000 Well in Jersey. That's why Republicans But okay, go ahead. 1226 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:13.800 I honestly think that that's why Trump ran as a 1227 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:15.800 Republican so he could run against it her, because he 1228 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.719 knew he wouldn't be her on the Democrat side. 1229 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:21.639 He ran as a Republican because Republicans have this loyalty 1230 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.280 based thing that works well. Democrats do not. They eat 1231 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:26.920 their own. No. 1232 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:32.679 No, when Trump came out, until Trump started making the 1233 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.119 comments that he was making, they caught on with his 1234 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:40.920 Mica crowd. He had a huge part of the Republican 1235 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.599 Party that said, we're not going to put up with 1236 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:43.039 this shit. 1237 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:45.840 Yeah right, But and Trump took. 1238 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.119 Advantage of that position, and he went out there and 1239 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.320 said the most outrageous things because he knew that's what 1240 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.039 was going to twist their watch. Okay, that was We're 1241 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.280 going to put their stuff in a wad. Trump played 1242 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.079 the Republican Party and took it over. 1243 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:03.599 After twelve years of exploratory committees. By the way, that 1244 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:07.199 he actually did pay okay, actually paid people to explore 1245 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:11.920 on his presidential runs. And I'm telling you, the calculus 1246 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.400 was more about I know that if I get any 1247 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.199 sort of a foothold in the Republican Party, They'll stick 1248 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:19.679 by me because I'm a Republican. 1249 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.360 Absolutely, Because he knew that Republicans were tired of the 1250 01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.920 reret perces and toss them they had been getting over 1251 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.840 the past twelve years. Oh yeah, vote for this guy. 1252 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.199 He's going to do this. And it turns out he's 1253 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.519 no different than the other guy. Republicans were ready for 1254 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.719 a change, and Trump took advantage of it, and he 1255 01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:39.039 played the Republican Party like a fiddle. 1256 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:42.320 Well, he also hold a whole bunch of people in 1257 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:46.280 that were part of the disenchanted right wing back to 1258 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.039 the Republican Party because that was all going libertarian and 1259 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.760 also going with you know, they were thinking about starting 1260 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.639 the Patriot Party and all this other stuff, and he 1261 01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.599 folded it right in and so it was. But it 1262 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.280 was based on loyalty. You can get loyalty out of 1263 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.679 the R side of the equation. You can't get it 1264 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:06.920 out of the Democrats side. They turn on each other 1265 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.039 so fast. I mean, take a look at how fast 1266 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:12.679 they got rid of Al Franken compared to any of 1267 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:16.480 these other guys. I mean, what they just convicted that Georgia. 1268 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.639 What is his name, not Soro Santos, right, the Santos guy. 1269 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:22.719 They just convicted him again, didn't they. 1270 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:23.440 You know. 1271 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.480 But meanwhile they weren't even gonna remove him while he was, 1272 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.960 you know, sitting in jail. They weren't going to remove 1273 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.639 him because he's a Republican. Nope, that's our guy. We're 1274 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.400 gonna you know, we're not gonna say we love him, 1275 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.039 but we're not gonna remove him. We're not gonna actively 1276 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:39.880 go after him. 1277 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:41.679 Because we don't want to. Well, they want to give 1278 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:42.039 up that. 1279 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:44.599 Suit, that's it. But that's it. Don't want to give 1280 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:46.199 up the seat, don't want to give up the numbers. 1281 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:52.960 So everybody sticks together Democrats. It's a circular firing squad anyway. 1282 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:53.440 It is. 1283 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.199 To the point though, when it comes down to pass facts, 1284 01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.079 they sac for the wagons. You got to give the Democrats. 1285 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:02.400 I mean, look at how they tried to fall behind Kamala. 1286 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:06.400 Come on, yeah, okay, but you see how long that lasted. 1287 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:11.719 Not very long. They stick by anybody who is The 1288 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:15.760 Republicans are the party of loyalty. It's that simple. In 1289 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.840 my mind, Democrats, disloyalty is one of the first words 1290 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:22.079 that comes out of my mouth, not only to their 1291 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.720 own agendas and their own causes, but to each other, 1292 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.800 to themselves, I mean, get out of here. I cannot 1293 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.239 accept that. That is a huge difference. That's why Trump 1294 01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:35.520 won well on the Republican side, because he realized Democratic 1295 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.000 side they're going to sit there splitting hairs over his 1296 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:43.600 past pointless anyway, that's my answer to it. And then 1297 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.640 you got to beat Pete's answers. So did that help 1298 01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:46.359 you any Chris? 1299 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:49.199 It helped me quite a bit. 1300 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:54.039 But I would be kicking myself later on if I 1301 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:58.479 didn't clarify something that I think you made a statement 1302 01:08:58.560 --> 01:08:59.760 earlier in the show. 1303 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.319 I don't know if I heard it right, But did. 1304 01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:06.680 You did you met Jeffrey Epstein? No, no, no, not 1305 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:13.359 Jeffrey Epstein. Oh okay, I just heard that. I know 1306 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:19.039 what that's in regard to no Sean Combs. Yes, oh okay, 1307 01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:23.520 all right, all right. In the early nineties, Bad Boy 1308 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:28.359 Records was in search of a bunch of stuff that 1309 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:32.319 they They first started looking at local musicians to do 1310 01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:38.000 backing tracks because they wanted to redo certain things like 1311 01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:39.880 they ended up doing that whole thing. This is before 1312 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.159 Biggie Smalls was even killed. 1313 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:45.399 Yeah, this was one of the first butt. 1314 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:51.079 Yeah, and he had office space in I want to 1315 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:55.680 say it was on Madison Avenue in New York, and 1316 01:09:55.920 --> 01:10:00.319 they brought musicians from Asbury Park to meet with him. 1317 01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:06.520 And he was a pompous, weird you know, very strange 1318 01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:08.039 because he didn't have the money to back it up 1319 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:09.840 at that point, but he acted as though he was 1320 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:14.319 already a mogul, you know. And then you know, basically 1321 01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:17.720 when when Chris Wallace or Biggie Small's or you know, 1322 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.119 the notorious Big when he died, that kind of like 1323 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:24.239 catapulted the guy forward because up to that point, he's 1324 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:28.039 the producer who's on everybody's record, who was controlling the music, 1325 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:32.560 and was definitely controlling the production, but he needed session 1326 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:34.640 players and stuff to kind of get on the bad 1327 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.319 boy team, and at a certain point he wanted to. 1328 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.279 It's so funny because the meeting started with you know, 1329 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.399 here's my white boys, because it was it was a 1330 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.479 bunch of us in a room and we met with 1331 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.359 him to try and I can't even tell you the 1332 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:54.880 full purpose of that meeting at this point, but wasn't 1333 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.039 no freak offs. I wasn't involved in none of that. 1334 01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:00.479 I was just present for a you know, hey, maybe 1335 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.720 we could get the Aspburry Park musicians involved with the 1336 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.520 you know, with the efforts of bad Boy and create 1337 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:09.239 He wanted to create a standing library of stuff that 1338 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:12.279 they could go to and like, actually, have you know, 1339 01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.760 a real drummer doing drum beats and things like that 1340 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:17.880 instead of just sampling because at that point there was 1341 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:21.279 a lot of legal issues with sampling and like James 1342 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:23.840 Brown was fine with it, but like Rick James was 1343 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.920 pissed off, you know, stuff like that. So they wanted 1344 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:32.039 to recreate stuff and get like, you know, get a 1345 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.359 drummer to play something like funky drummer, but it's not 1346 01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:38.560 funky drummer, you know what I mean. Get a guitarist, 1347 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:40.840 a rock guitarist, you know, kind of like And it 1348 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.000 was even brought up the whole Michael Jackson and Eddie 1349 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:47.520 Van Halen thing where it's like, yeah, well that's where 1350 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.159 you can create a crossover because if you get something 1351 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.640 that's a good, solid, you know, rock ribbed kind of thing, 1352 01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.319 then you're going to expand that audience beyond the urban 1353 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.399 you know. And at that point Bad Boy was was 1354 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.199 a brand new well, it was around for a while, 1355 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.680 I guess, but it was brand new as far as 1356 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.920 being big on the scene, and it still mattered a lot. 1357 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.039 And after the success of what came from the West 1358 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:17.279 coast again, because you got to remember, there was the 1359 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:20.399 like the La rock thing was a huge explosion, so like, 1360 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:23.600 you know, fifteen bands from La were like the top 1361 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:25.760 of the charts for a little bit, and then you 1362 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.920 have Seattle. Yeah so, and a lot of people don't 1363 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.239 know this, but there was always a New Jersey Seattle connection, 1364 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.479 so really there were yeah, like for instance, two of 1365 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.640 the guys from Stone Temple Pilots are from Point Pleasant, 1366 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:42.199 New Jersey. 1367 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:49.760 And anyway, what did the gals the drummer there, Eric Kretz, No. 1368 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:54.039 The Galio Brothers, they're from Point Pleasant. Originally, I think. 1369 01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:59.359 You could almost say the Gruns really started on the 1370 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:03.760 East Coast but became famous when it made it to 1371 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.159 the Seattle exactly. 1372 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.319 That's exactly what happened, because we had a huge punk scene. 1373 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.079 If you even take a close listen to what is 1374 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:18.319 that guy's Davey the Daily Show guy John Stewart, Right. 1375 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.920 John Stewart in his early days was hanging out at 1376 01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.520 a big place in Jersey called City Gardens, and he 1377 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.880 wasn't famous then. He was just like another punk hanging around. 1378 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.680 There was a huge punk scene, that's what we called it. 1379 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:37.199 It was punk slash hardcore stuff in Jersey, and you 1380 01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:39.439 had pretty much there was like a faction of like 1381 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:41.720 the New York Hardcore. If you ever seen an X 1382 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:48.399 where it says ny HC, well there was also the NJHC. Anyways, 1383 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:50.920 both of these things were going on, and these were 1384 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.159 fairly successful scenes. Now, there wasn't a lot of money 1385 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.720 because it was a lot of broke kids from the 1386 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.079 you know, the outer edges of the suburbs, not really 1387 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.199 in the good parts of this suburbs that were coming out. 1388 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.720 But they were filling huge places like this, Like every 1389 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.760 week they would come out and put a couple thousand 1390 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.720 people into a place like City Gardens, and all ages 1391 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:14.920 shows and stuff like that was going all up and 1392 01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.680 down the Jersey Shore and in New York City some 1393 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:22.239 and uh, that stuff got picked up and kind of 1394 01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:25.640 transferred over because we all thought even I went to 1395 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:27.880 la at a certain point, I've told you about this 1396 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:30.720 in the nineties. I went out there thinking that that 1397 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:32.640 might be a better place for me to you know, 1398 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.000 catch catch a career and it didn't work for me, 1399 01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:38.720 but a lot of other people did well, you know, 1400 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:42.159 like I told you, Eric Rattan was from was from 1401 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.319 a band called Ripping Corpse. He ends up in the 1402 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:49.520 band Morbid Angel. Yeah, there's a lot of guys that 1403 01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:51.560 came from Jersey. Jack Blood too. 1404 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.199 I know Jack Blood was in Seattle at one point. 1405 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.479 But was he like one of the original people. 1406 01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.319 Like in New Jersey. 1407 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.159 No, Jack was U Jack was. He had been on 1408 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:04.840 the East coast in like Delaware, I think, like working 1409 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:08.359 radio stations and stuff. But in between he worked, like 1410 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:10.199 you know, his day job was like being a program 1411 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.720 director of radio stations. He's out there though with like 1412 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.840 Chris Cornell and those guys. He was in the in 1413 01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:19.840 the mix with those guys and just as one of 1414 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:21.680 the guys that didn't make it out. And if you 1415 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.960 listen to his music, Look, I love Jack, but a 1416 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.319 lot of his music I don't know what he's thinking. 1417 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:33.079 But anyway, and look, I got a lot If somebody 1418 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:34.880 ever dug up some of the ugly tapes on me, 1419 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:36.720 believe me, you could find a lot of ugly demo 1420 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.840 tapes of stuff that I did. But anyway, there were 1421 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:42.800 skateboarders listening to stuff I was doing in Jersey and 1422 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.880 Guam for Christ's sake, because they liked some of that 1423 01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:49.399 weird punk stuff, and that was the stuff I was doing, 1424 01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:51.800 you know, outside of the medal. I like I've said, 1425 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:54.399 I've done every kind of music possible. But anyway, the 1426 01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:59.199 de Leo Brothers, yeah, they're transplants from point pleasant. I 1427 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:01.159 can't say I think off the top of my head 1428 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:03.159 the other guys, but there's a bunch of guys that 1429 01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:06.079 went from Jersey and a lot of people think they're 1430 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.680 from Los Angeles or they're from Seattle or see. That's 1431 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.880 how I ended up even knowing about Lane Staley and 1432 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:16.079 what was going on, because he was connected to some 1433 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:20.159 New Jersey musicians who nobody was writing about, you know, 1434 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:23.199 unless you got like underground fanzines back then and stuff. 1435 01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.359 So yeah, anyway, there's a whole thing to it. But 1436 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.199 there was like a small element of like Jersey people 1437 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.279 that went to the wet West Coast. And that's why, 1438 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:35.359 by the way, I got this weird thing. Somebody sent 1439 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:39.119 me a note about, oh, well, you know it couldn't 1440 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.039 be real because you said you were at an apartment 1441 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:44.800 at this place or whatever. Yet because I met Lane 1442 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:48.199 Staley in Los Angeles, he had a. 1443 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:50.760 Place though your band, like. 1444 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:53.960 You were backing up Alison Chains at one point right 1445 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.760 in like ninety one ninety two. 1446 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.840 No, I didn't back them up. What happened is they 1447 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:01.000 invited a bunch of the local singers on the stage 1448 01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:03.840 to do a tune with them when they were doing 1449 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:07.520 a set at the Stone Pony. But so I sang 1450 01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:10.239 on a microphone on the same stage. But it was 1451 01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:14.079 me and like three four other guys too, and we 1452 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:17.680 did see if sorrow was the name of the song anyway. 1453 01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.399 But before that, what I'm saying is there was a 1454 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:23.039 bunch of guys who went from New York and New 1455 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.760 Jersey who went to LA and went over to the 1456 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.439 West Coast in general, and some of them ended up 1457 01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:33.079 in Seattle or in that area. Now. Lane where he 1458 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:38.039 died and where the last place I saw him was is, Yeah, 1459 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:42.079 is quite a drive. It's a drive north of where 1460 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.680 I was. Okay, So I get into a car with 1461 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:46.520 a couple of guys and we're on the road for 1462 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.920 I think an hour and a half about to get 1463 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.359 to this other place that he was at. But where 1464 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:54.840 I initially met him was in an apartment in la 1465 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.359 and I to this day couldn't tell you who actually 1466 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:59.239 lived there because guys were in and out of the place. 1467 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.600 It was like one of those shared joints by like 1468 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.880 a bunch of musicians. So like, you know, there's two 1469 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.680 guys on the lease, but there's like three bands living 1470 01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:12.119 there kind of thing, right, you know. So it was 1471 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:14.520 one of those deals. And then when he really started 1472 01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:16.359 to isolate and he pulled away and he was like 1473 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.439 almost unrecognizable. That was one of the last times I 1474 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.319 saw him. And I saw that place, and that place 1475 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:25.079 was and you know what, he was better off in 1476 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.680 the apartment where three bands lived. It was cleaner and 1477 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.760 it was less of a mess, and there was more light. 1478 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:36.439 He had like no lights on. It was a weird seed. Anyways, 1479 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:37.319 you saw him. 1480 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:40.600 One of the last times you saw him was close 1481 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.279 to the end, right, like ninety eight. 1482 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:47.920 Yeah, that's the thing. So but that was my last 1483 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:52.800 time seeing the guys. But anyway, that's on my second 1484 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.600 trip out there, not when I was trying to plan 1485 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:58.439 a flag But anyway, during all of this, the New 1486 01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.359 York and or the East Coast and West Coast hip 1487 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:06.720 hop thing is going on. So Sean Combs and his 1488 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:10.119 partner whose name I can never remember, who seemed like, 1489 01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:14.399 I don't know, a normal person, Okay, which he was not, 1490 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:17.560 but like a normal kind of like black business dude 1491 01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:22.479 was there. And these guys were trying to figure out 1492 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.800 how to create a library of go to stuff and 1493 01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:29.560 have some session musicians that they could kind of put 1494 01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:33.159 on a payroll and that way they could cover stuff. 1495 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.439 And they could, but they wound up going in another 1496 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:39.720 direction when the party thing did better. See at that point, 1497 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.960 party planning was a big deal with the bad boy 1498 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.800 thing and with the hip hop culture. So they would 1499 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.039 create a huge party and I don't even know how 1500 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:50.399 they generated revenue out of it, but they generated revenue 1501 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:53.560 out of just holding huge parties. I guess selling booze. 1502 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:55.800 I don't know, because I was never in on the 1503 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.279 business side of it and I never went to those parties, 1504 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.720 but I knew about them, and I knew that they 1505 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.800 wanted to pay some of us to do some of 1506 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:08.680 the other studio musicians stuff and to like, you know, 1507 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.039 help out with the engineering and this and that, but 1508 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:14.760 basically just to present them with raw material that they 1509 01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:18.600 could turn and refit into somebody else's stuff, even creating 1510 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:22.439 you know, like different drum loops and different beats and 1511 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:26.520 stuff like some accents and things that were similar to 1512 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:29.760 pre existing tracks. Like I said, Rick James was starting 1513 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:33.840 to sue people, and and some of these other guys 1514 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:37.920 that were like, you know, seventies musicians and stuff were 1515 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.600 starting to suit people because they were using a whole 1516 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.039 bunch of stuff they had recorded on their tracks and 1517 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:46.760 making lots of money, you know what I mean. And 1518 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:47.479 I think you know the. 1519 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.760 Mc hammer take, and then it became like commonplace, like 1520 01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.119 not too long after that, well right. 1521 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:55.720 And you know there's some people that say, like, you know, 1522 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.439 Queen probably got paid more by Vanilla Ice than they 1523 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.279 ever got paid for their own record, you know what 1524 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:05.720 I mean. Yeah, yeah, But but the thing is that 1525 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:08.359 they had to but at that point they were creating 1526 01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:10.920 a way to pay their way through. But if not, 1527 01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:14.439 they were going to have guys like me make knockoff tracks. 1528 01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:20.039 So it was similar, but it wasn't exactly the same track, you. 1529 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.920 Know, is in the Vanilla Ice this whole thing like 1530 01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:27.840 oh yeah, the baseline is like it was like one off. 1531 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.439 It was one note off or something that, yeah, he. 1532 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:34.319 Had one stop, he had one like one ghost note 1533 01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:36.359 in there where it's like there was just goes do 1534 01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.720 do do do do do do do do do do 1535 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:40.520 do do Mine goes do do do do do do 1536 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.760 do do? You know, and I'm like, dude, you're pausing 1537 01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:47.079 the record for a minute. It's not really a big difference. 1538 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.560 But yeah, but at that point, that's where I got 1539 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.199 that meeting with that guy. Uh. But but again, as 1540 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.399 with a lot of other things, didn't go anywhere. You know, 1541 01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:59.720 had a nice time. Uh. I think we all got 1542 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.199 some kind of I think champagne was just being poured 1543 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:04.960 around the office anyway, So we all got a glass 1544 01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:06.640 of champagne and got to sit there and got the 1545 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:10.439 pitch about you know how we could, you know, at 1546 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.880 least have this little side gig going. So we got 1547 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:14.640 our thing, and then you know, you're free to still 1548 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.000 pursue your own music and all that, but if you 1549 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.880 record stuff for us, that's just for us, and we'd 1550 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.399 have to have it so that you can't use any 1551 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.279 of that on any of your own stuff, you know, 1552 01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:25.000 that kind of stuff. 1553 01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.920 Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you clarified that because at 1554 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.640 the beginning of the program, I was like, did he 1555 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.720 just admit that he met Jeffrey Epstein? 1556 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:35.800 I never heard about this. 1557 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:38.800 No, all right, so that it makes more sense now 1558 01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.840 with the music scene and and. 1559 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:44.079 All that I never met Jeffrey Epstein. I you know, 1560 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.199 what did I do? I talked to people who, you know, 1561 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:50.319 claimed to have been around him. That's about as close 1562 01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:52.960 as I gets said thing. Anyways, I'm gonna just put 1563 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:54.840 you on hold for a minute because we got another caller, 1564 01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:56.640 and then I'm gonna check the clock after that, But 1565 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.000 hang around because I'm sure we'll get into some more stuff. 1566 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:00.840 You already got me run my mouth more than I 1567 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:05.319 wanted to, But it's okay, hang on, no problem, no problem. Uh, 1568 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:11.199 I think we got Danny from California. Actually, yeah, hey, 1569 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:11.920 hete Chuck. 1570 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.720 How you doing, hey man, that's quite interesting. I'm doing 1571 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.319 I'm doing fine. Just a long week at work and 1572 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:22.680 just woke up a little groggy and really interesting with 1573 01:23:22.720 --> 01:23:27.000 your experience in LA So your primary your trip was 1574 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.760 all all about music in business? 1575 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.960 Well, when I went to Los Angeles, mainly that's what 1576 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.479 I tried to do. Yeah, I mean, I did a 1577 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.039 little sight seeing. I went to go see, uh, like, 1578 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:39.720 I had nothing to do with any business at the 1579 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:41.800 Whiskey a go go, but I wanted to see it, 1580 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:47.479 you know, and also wanted to see the the famous 1581 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.039 Jimmy Hendricks room. I don't know if people know about 1582 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.920 that today or whatever, but it was a it was 1583 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.600 a thing where like Hendricks actually lived in the like 1584 01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:58.479 the attic of the Whiskey for a little while. So 1585 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:00.920 I kind of wanted to see the apartment. 1586 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:06.960 You know, right right right, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really 1587 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.359 interesting is the whole music industry and you're talking about 1588 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.119 the kind of bit your your business side have always 1589 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:17.560 been kind of fascinated with the What I understand about 1590 01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.960 the music industry is the one hit wonders. You know, 1591 01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:22.760 it's like, you know, it's like why did it? Why 1592 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:23.199 did they? 1593 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:24.079 Why did they never? 1594 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:28.439 You know, repeat, they got this hit, sounds like they're talented. 1595 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:30.920 But then somebody I remember sat there and explained to me, 1596 01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:37.720 though it's all a business. They basically you're so desperate 1597 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:40.119 to make it that you basically sign everything in a way, 1598 01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:42.520 and basically they got this hit and you don't get 1599 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:43.279 any from it. 1600 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:44.359 It's a it's a business. 1601 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.000 The businessman get it, and they'll make sure you'll never 1602 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:49.960 make another record again because you can never pay alkalom. 1603 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.880 Well, so that's what happens. Yeah, that's exactly. Look I 1604 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:55.760 can tell you from my own experience. I got to 1605 01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:00.159 check for ten grand right and never made another their 1606 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:04.880 dime recording anything again, and I lost all the stuff 1607 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.520 I had. You know that I had to basically sell 1608 01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:11.000 it off just to keep things going at a certain point. 1609 01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:17.039 Yeah, yeah, your talent never Yeah, it's kind of like 1610 01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:20.199 the corrupt side the dark seas of music now. 1611 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:22.560 But what's funny is, well, hang on though. I'll tell you. 1612 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:25.039 One thing that I've always found hilarious is that some 1613 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.039 people can turn around and take that one single hit 1614 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:33.520 and somehow navigate through it and create a whole industry 1615 01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:36.479 behind it. Give you the perfect example for that is 1616 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:41.960 Jimmy Buffett, Right. I think he was the guy behind Margaritaville. 1617 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.479 Wasn't that the guy who did the Margaritaville song? 1618 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:45.960 Yeah? 1619 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:50.760 Well this guy wound up financially secure and what else 1620 01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:53.039 did he really? Do? You know what I mean? Hit wise? 1621 01:25:56.000 --> 01:26:00.479 You know what I'm saying. And meanwhile, you know, if 1622 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:02.840 they if they nail you on the first deal. I 1623 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:04.800 got to tell you, they nail you on the first deal. 1624 01:26:05.399 --> 01:26:07.760 Then they turn around and say, well, look, we'll pay 1625 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.520 for everything for you to record the second one. And 1626 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:13.520 because you made so much money the first time, you know, 1627 01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:15.560 you were able to pay that back. Okay, we're about 1628 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.520 that even, but now we'll invest in you again. And 1629 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:20.720 it's that second one. It's sort of like, you know, 1630 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:25.319 Black Sabbath has spent like it's spent like forty years 1631 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:28.600 and still has not retained all of the rights from 1632 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:31.479 their first couple of albums because of that original record deal, 1633 01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:35.319 you know. And that's before Sharon Osborne. You know, Sharon's 1634 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:39.640 father got involved there, don Arden, before he even got 1635 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:43.199 involved in the whole mess with management and Black Sabbath, 1636 01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.560 those guys, the first three albums, you would think they 1637 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.920 must have sold that thing, you know, a million times over. 1638 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.840 Forget about what they've you know, told you about the 1639 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:53.239 Gold Records or whatever. Okay, sold a million copies of 1640 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:57.520 Paranoid or whatever. They've resold it and resold it and 1641 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:02.079 resold It's been sold on eight track right cassette records, 1642 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:05.800 you know, digital versions of it. It's probably been sold 1643 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:08.800 you know, a billion times the songs off of that album, 1644 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:12.000 but they're not going to see half a billion dollars 1645 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.960 and the original deals some of their like early management 1646 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.000 that they broke with in the seventies is still collecting 1647 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.800 on them, you know what I mean, because of those contracts. 1648 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.800 I mean, it's it's horrific. But occasionally somebody turns around 1649 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:28.840 and takes one hit and turns it into an industry. 1650 01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:31.720 I mean, Jimmy Buffett turned around and bought like a resort, 1651 01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.239 had like a Margaritaville resort and a cruise and all 1652 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:37.159 kinds of stuff, and he. 1653 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:42.239 Had he had three albums that did really, really well. 1654 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:47.119 But his it's not understanding that he's set up his 1655 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:52.760 contracts differently in that he was making more off of 1656 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:57.119 touring than actually doing You have you have two schools. 1657 01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:00.319 You have like the still gun school of why are 1658 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:03.000 we going to deal with touring, Let's concentrate on doing 1659 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:07.319 album production. And they didn't toured much. But you had 1660 01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:11.439 others like Buffett who wanted to tour because he had 1661 01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:18.600 a following nationwide from college performances and small club performances. 1662 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:23.359 He turned three albums into a multi million dollar business 1663 01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:26.600 when he started buying resorts and he started his Marguerite 1664 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:31.520 Deville uh restaurants right well, and that's where that's where 1665 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:33.640 he made his money late in the game. But here, 1666 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.880 but here's the first three albums did pretty good. 1667 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:38.560 Yeah, but here's the bottom line. Even an album doing 1668 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:40.760 really well back then, the amount of money that he 1669 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.600 could have made, you would not expect him to have 1670 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:47.159 anything left as we speak. Okay, just if that's all 1671 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.760 he made. But here's the deal this guy is, according 1672 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:55.319 to according to the Google AI anyways, he's worth a 1673 01:28:55.399 --> 01:29:00.439 billion dollars. He's one of the world's richest musicians and soelebrities. 1674 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:04.199 He's also best selling author. Okay, just saying that's Jimmy 1675 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:08.479 Buffett and there you go. But there's other people that 1676 01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:11.840 might have had five six gold records, you know, a 1677 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.640 ten of them even, and they've got nothing, you know 1678 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:17.600 what I mean. And that's not even speaking to the 1679 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:19.520 time when you know they were selling singles and all 1680 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:22.039 this stuff. I'm talking about these guys who had albums, 1681 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:25.359 huge tours and everything else. And there is a way 1682 01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:28.000 to make money off of touring. But the problem is 1683 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:30.199 you got to have a shark keeping track of that 1684 01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:34.159 because everybody in the world sticks their hands into that 1685 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:37.319 tour bucket, and believe me, by the time it gets 1686 01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:40.399 to the artist, it's gone. 1687 01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:44.359 I watched a documentary on led Zeppelin and how they 1688 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:48.279 came up and how their manager basically went into the 1689 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:52.880 recording studios and said, you know, we don't know who 1690 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:56.479 came up with the contracts that you're offering bands, but 1691 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.720 we're going to do this. They they kind of broke 1692 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.399 the mold on what they were getting. Where an artist 1693 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:08.239 at that time might be getting fifteen cent per copy sold, 1694 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.439 they jumped it up to seventy five cents. They changed 1695 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:17.319 this about and because they didn't tour a lot. Zeppelin 1696 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:20.439 didn't tour much at all. They got their publicity off 1697 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:23.560 of being on things like or As the Day whistle 1698 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:28.319 Stop in BBC programming. They never toured and the problem 1699 01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:31.159 was that their songs were so long. They weren't ideal 1700 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:35.800 for top forty radio because they rante long. So they 1701 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:39.600 and they basically said that the Zeppelin were the ones 1702 01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:43.479 that broke the mold. And after them, you know, you 1703 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:45.920 look at the Beatles. The Beatles didn't make hardly crap 1704 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.920 off their stuff, and Zeppelin saw what was going on 1705 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.159 there and said hell, no, we're not doing this. We're 1706 01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:53.520 completely changing the game. And it was after that that 1707 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.800 you finally saw artists demanding more and more. I mean, 1708 01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:59.840 but look at how many artists got involved in in 1709 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:04.960 problems with their record company's Tom Petty Creaton's Pull Water Survival. 1710 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:07.920 You know, you look at all the fans that had 1711 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:11.640 these or Bopp and Turner, Overdrive, elevench Skinner, all of 1712 01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:18.119 them had songs and public beefs with recording contracts where 1713 01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:20.119 they were basically just getting screwed. 1714 01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:23.680 Now if you look back at like say Chess Records, 1715 01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:25.439 and you look back at you know, stuff like that, 1716 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:28.119 I mean, Muddy Waters didn't get you know, his family 1717 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:31.119 didn't get paid until what two thousand and six, by 1718 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:34.760 the time you know, actual money came in, because you 1719 01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.199 would get beat to death just trying to just trying 1720 01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:39.680 to you know, get out there and be heard in 1721 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:43.279 the first place, to build the legacy. You know, and 1722 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.000 you're talking about this seventy five cents that's because of 1723 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.520 the points system. And the seventy five cents you're talking 1724 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.239 about is when an album, the whole album was five bucks, 1725 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.399 so well that was a significant percentage. But you're right, 1726 01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.399 you were getting paid like it was something like seven 1727 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:02.960 cents of point at one time, and you were lucky 1728 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:05.239 if you had seven points as an artist, and that's 1729 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:06.439 of your own publishing ement. 1730 01:32:07.279 --> 01:32:09.399 Yeah, and then you know they tell you, Okay, we're 1731 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:11.479 gonna sign you. We're gonna sign you to a three 1732 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:14.680 record deal, and we're gonna fund you this money. But 1733 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:19.960 out of this frontage comes promotion costs and touring costs 1734 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:22.760 and blah blah blah blah blah. And that was something 1735 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.640 the Zeppelin saw and they said, no, when it comes 1736 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:29.000 to touring, here's what's gonna happen. We're going to take 1737 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:32.840 a significant cut of the gate and we get the merchandising. 1738 01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:36.119 And that's how they were able to make They were 1739 01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:39.600 millionaires when all these other bands were sitting there struggling, 1740 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:44.279 just trying, just trying to work off their advance. You know, 1741 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:45.680 there are a lot of artists out there that we 1742 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.239 put out an album and tour and when the tour 1743 01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:51.920 is done, they steal air a record company seven thousand dollars, right, 1744 01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:54.880 seventeen thousand dollars. You're not gonna work it off. And 1745 01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:57.319 it's like these guys are going we're working for nothing. 1746 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:01.520 We're not making a dime. The manager for Zeppelin just 1747 01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.039 went in there and said, dude, the rock and roll 1748 01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:07.000 is changing and we're changing all these contracts. And it 1749 01:33:07.039 --> 01:33:08.960 was after that that people were able to sprow it 1750 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.840 and negotiate some fair deals. 1751 01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:13.640 Now and there are people that describe it as gangsterism. 1752 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:16.039 I mean, there is a reason why Chuck Berry slept 1753 01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:18.720 in his car and cooked steaks on a grill outside 1754 01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:20.439 of his freaking car at a gig, you know what 1755 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.800 I'm saying, because he didn't want to wind up. Okay, 1756 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.479 now we're going to charge you for the bus, we're 1757 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:27.520 going to charge you for the plane, we're going to 1758 01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:30.720 charge you for the hotel room. And they would pad 1759 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:34.720 those bills and believe me, money went out. You know, you. 1760 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.119 Look at the raft just in touring, when when everything 1761 01:33:38.199 --> 01:33:42.680 is subbed out to turlers and contractors and merchandisers and 1762 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:48.960 you know, everybody's got everybody's taking their share. And like 1763 01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:51.319 I said, you had bands that went years that were 1764 01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:54.760 still You had bands that folded and probably never paid 1765 01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:56.520 back to a record company what they owed. 1766 01:33:57.239 --> 01:34:00.399 Oh yeah, I know, I believe me. You know It 1767 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:03.199 was a good example of that. Unfortunately, you remember Eddie 1768 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:07.960 and the Cruisers, right, remember the movie, Well, the real 1769 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:11.000 life Eddie and the Cruisers was John Cafferty, who was 1770 01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:13.600 a guy from Jersey. By the way, John Cafferty and 1771 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:19.000 the Beaver Brown Band, those guys never got even though 1772 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.880 they did you know, Eddie and the Cruisers two and 1773 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:25.119 all that stuff. They never got anything out of that 1774 01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:29.319 first album. And that was like a phenomena, a weird phenomena. 1775 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:31.479 People wanted Eddie and the Cruisers to do a tour 1776 01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.680 and they sent John Cafferty around to do a tour. Nothing. 1777 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:38.600 They made zero off of that, and I knew some 1778 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.359 of those guys. They made nothing. 1779 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:43.600 It was all tied up in the promotion for the movie, 1780 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:43.960 wasn't it. 1781 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:46.840 Yeah, that's what it was. By the time Hollywood accounting 1782 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:50.000 got done with them and music industry got done with them, 1783 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.800 they got like very like they got enough. I think 1784 01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:58.439 John got enough to buy a car okay, in like 1785 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:02.720 nineteen eighty nine something like that. So whatever the cost 1786 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:05.119 of a new car was in nineteen eighty nine, that's 1787 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:07.680 how much he ended up with out of being like 1788 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:11.239 a phenomenon putting in all that work recording all that stuff. 1789 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:14.079 And if you don't remember the stuff it was again, 1790 01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:16.119 some people might be too young to even remember it 1791 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:18.560 at all, but it was a phenomena. Eddie and the Cruisers, 1792 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:22.720 oh yeah, and it was definitely they were top of 1793 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:25.119 the chart for a while. And believe it or not, 1794 01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:29.640 that was a very like Jersey shore rock sound. You know, 1795 01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:32.960 there's more to it than Bruce Springsteen, by the way, 1796 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:36.680 but very much if you listen to it, sounds kind 1797 01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.439 of similar to Springsteen's stuff, doesn't it, because there was 1798 01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:47.359 a whole music scene to that ever for the Jersey unfortunately. Yes, yes, 1799 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:51.640 but not from the like look Asbury Park, like the 1800 01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:54.760 area where I grew up. That's where Springsteen's from. And 1801 01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.199 Cafferty's from around that area too, with some of the 1802 01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:59.319 guys in the band as well as well as some 1803 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:02.079 of the guys in the Yeah skid Row and stuff 1804 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:06.279 like that. But actually John is from a little up 1805 01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:09.159 north of that and kind of like the nicer suburbs 1806 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.039 and all that kind of stuff, And what. 1807 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:17.399 I understand, he was behind some very shady deals on 1808 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:22.000 some fans. That was one of was Cinerella probably and 1809 01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:24.840 a couple other bands out there. That fon Jovi was 1810 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:26.920 the one that got him there deals with the record 1811 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.000 company and then ended up scalping off of them. 1812 01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:31.399 Yeah, well he did a lot of that stuff and 1813 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.279 quite honestly screwed over a lot of people, including his 1814 01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:38.000 own relatives and things like like Tony uh and and 1815 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.520 you know the original Banjievanni name and all that, because 1816 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:45.039 uh he started out working at his uncle's recording studio. 1817 01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.000 And one of the weirdest things ever, if you want 1818 01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:50.840 to see it, is he was actually part of that 1819 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:56.520 strange promotional blitz for Star Wars at one point. There's 1820 01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.399 a there's a Christmas song out there like two D 1821 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:05.920 two we Love You Merry Christmas. You ought to hear it. Yeah, 1822 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:13.479 it's terrible, It's absolutely terrible. No, No, I I literally 1823 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:16.000 hit that guy in the back with a bottle of 1824 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:20.000 rolling rock beer on the seaside freaking boards one night 1825 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:22.159 because an if. 1826 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:24.760 I think, I think the other Bruce Springsteen album, I've 1827 01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:25.840 got his Tunnel of Love. 1828 01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:31.439 It's so strange, man. Anyway, No, I'm not a big 1829 01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:34.560 bon Jobe fan. I'll tell you that I liked a 1830 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.279 lot of the guys that came out of Jersey. Zach 1831 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:39.199 wild of course. Uh again, the guy's from skid Row, 1832 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.239 even though Sebastian Bach is a bit of a loudmouth, 1833 01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:44.800 drunk and everything, which is why he got himself beat 1834 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:48.680 up and like every club on the shore, but definitely 1835 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:52.399 a nicer guy than John bon Jovi. I cannot see 1836 01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:56.039 why he's mister nice guy or anything. I don't understand 1837 01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:59.039 it because he screwed over a lot of people. But anyway, 1838 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:02.319 we're gonna wind up running right out of time. I 1839 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:04.680 didn't even take a single break, Danny. I'm sorry we 1840 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:06.800 went into like weird things. Did you have some other 1841 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:07.680 stuff on your mind? 1842 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:12.239 Well, well I did that. You started the music thing, 1843 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:15.720 and you know a lot of things. You know, it 1844 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.359 wasn't my genre, but but just a lot of the 1845 01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:22.439 rap artists that you know, they made incredible about somebody 1846 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:26.960 because they somehow figure out how they figured out themselves 1847 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:30.760 how to be bigger, better businessmen, and they kind of 1848 01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:33.920 went outside the system and they kind of like turned 1849 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:37.399 the tables because some of these rap artists made incredible 1850 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:38.720 amounts of money. 1851 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:43.399 Well see, it's it's a mixed bag, Danny, because look 1852 01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:48.239 some of these guys. I like the way there's this 1853 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:51.880 one guy on YouTube who's like wild, he's like all 1854 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:56.239 about you know, explaining black people to white people or 1855 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.560 something like that. It's just channel and it's pretty funny. 1856 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:03.399 He gets into some realities, though. Look a guy like 1857 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:08.159 Sean Combs, right, p Diddy, he figured out how to 1858 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:13.640 get himself into the position of being the exploiter, and 1859 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:18.079 he exploited plenty of artists. But that's all that happened. 1860 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:21.159 There is now just some of the skin tones changed. 1861 01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:23.640 You know, at one point it was a lot of 1862 01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:25.960 white guys taking advantage of a lot of black guys. 1863 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.840 And I mean straight on from Muddy Waters and Chuck 1864 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:33.000 Berry all the way too, you know, the rap guys. Okay, 1865 01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.199 and all that really happened. There is a couple of 1866 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:38.680 these guys figured out how to get their piece of 1867 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:44.800 that business. But the artists, the artists have always gotten screwed, man, 1868 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:48.960 the artists have almost always gotten screwed. I mean even 1869 01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:54.520 when like a guy like oh Man, totally totally out 1870 01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:58.279 of left field, you're gonna think it is. But who 1871 01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:03.720 is the Rach Charles? Okay, Ray Charles actually owning his 1872 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:07.199 masters and Prince. Prince and Ray Charles are two guys 1873 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:11.039 that actually made serious changes to the business as far 1874 01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:14.720 as owning their master tapes and stuff like that. And 1875 01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:19.560 still you're not talking about massive estates that these guys. 1876 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:23.119 You know, guaranteed, if they generated a billion dollars, they 1877 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.960 would have been lucky to become millionaires, you know what 1878 01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:31.600 I mean. And that's even with them actually having some 1879 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:35.000 business savvy, which a lot of guys who are creating music. 1880 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:37.479 You know what, if you spend ten years in your 1881 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:41.479 garage working on your guitar, you don't necessarily have a 1882 01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.920 head for business, you know what I'm saying. Or you know, 1883 01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:46.880 if all you did is is dedicate, you know, a 1884 01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:49.479 decade of your life to making sure, you know, you 1885 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.880 could play the drums in a unique way, you're not 1886 01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:55.319 necessarily the guy who's going to know how to run 1887 01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.279 that business correctly and know how the merchandizing cut really 1888 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:02.239 should come out and everything. You know, so you wind 1889 01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:05.920 up hiring lawyers, and what do they do. They generally screw. 1890 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:09.079 You to so you know, of course they got they 1891 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.479 got to eat, you know, I mean, I read Bono's 1892 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.159 memoir and he attributed a lot of their their success, 1893 01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:18.920 you know, not only their own talent. 1894 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:20.319 There you know there there. 1895 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:24.279 Inter natural talent, but he said he's lucky by two things. 1896 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:27.920 One Alison Stewart and is his wife Ali. And then 1897 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.479 they had good business sense and then they just they 1898 01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:35.039 just hooked up with the right manager who didn't have 1899 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:37.279 a sense of ethics that he was going to make 1900 01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:42.119 more money by promoting a talented band and making sure 1901 01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:45.760 that they continued to produce and tour. And uh, you know, 1902 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:49.000 you know he you know, he could have been you know, 1903 01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:51.840 they could have been easily broken up, and you know, 1904 01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:56.680 got swallowed up. And I remember reading Bruce Fringsteon's biography 1905 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.319 Born to Run. You know, he ended up even though 1906 01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:02.520 he loved his first manager, but he knew there was 1907 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.159 a point he had assumed for you know, he became 1908 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:07.680 a big loss, and he said he was fortunate to 1909 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:10.600 win get back a lot of his music. 1910 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:13.600 Yeah, Like the whole thing with Springsteen is all the 1911 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:17.439 way up until that you know, Born in the USA album. 1912 01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:20.199 He was kind of fine with the way things were 1913 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:23.239 going because he expected to, you know, not make a lot. 1914 01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:25.920 And when that thing again, you know, it's like, wait 1915 01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:27.880 a minute, you're telling me that I've got this thing 1916 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.119 at the top of the charts. It's selling everywhere I am. Now, 1917 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:35.399 you know, this person, what in the hell you know, 1918 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:40.159 where's the money? Uh? You know, and these guys, yeah, 1919 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:42.359 they do wind up, you know. And it's another funny 1920 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:44.680 thing too. Springsteen was actually in a metal band at 1921 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:48.199 one point on the Jersey Shore early in his life, right. 1922 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:52.079 Tut he talked about, Yeah, he talked about his early 1923 01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:55.920 his father was. I really enjoyed his father because he 1924 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.079 really touched on, you know, his own narcissism and and 1925 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:02.279 his own you know something I didn't know, his own 1926 01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:06.479 mental health issues, you know, depressed and then his father 1927 01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:08.039 and I didn't realize. 1928 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:10.880 That he ended up his parents ended up out here 1929 01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.920 in northern California and Sam Matteo and I know that 1930 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.479 area really well. And the whole time he was hanging 1931 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:17.840 out there before he got even b. 1932 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:22.560 Yeah, yeah, that's after well after he left high school. 1933 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:23.119 Uh. 1934 01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:25.920 And you know he had done a little bit of 1935 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:28.159 a bit on the Jersey Shore, you know, just being 1936 01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:31.720 a local musician. Yeah, when he went out to see 1937 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:34.560 but that's the thing. He goes out to California, that's 1938 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:36.720 where he started to make some connections. I don't know 1939 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.000 how that was done because I don't know all the details, 1940 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:43.079 but you know what, can I say, I at least 1941 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:45.680 have some respect for Bruce Springsteen. I'm not a big fan, 1942 01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:47.560 but I at least have some respect for him. John 1943 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:52.800 bon Job I've got no respect for the guy. The guy. 1944 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:59.760 The guy was a predator, and I think a barely 1945 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:03.079 talented at all. Okay, I mean not very talented in 1946 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:06.000 my mind, John bon Jovi. He got lucky at a 1947 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:08.279 certain point in time and got out there in the 1948 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.680 hair band era, and you know, was just pretty, was 1949 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.159 just pretty enough not to scare thirteen year old girls. 1950 01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:17.800 And uh and that's and that's how he made some money. Hey, listen, 1951 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.760 let me get check the check the phone lines here 1952 01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:23.520 real fast, because I know we still got Chris hanging out. 1953 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:27.239 I'm gonna bring him on too, just because we're gonna 1954 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:28.960 run out of time real quick here, and we're gonna 1955 01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:31.800 go on to the Age of Transitions at ten pm 1956 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.439 Eastern here because Aaron Franz is waiting in the wings, 1957 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:37.840 and I do see you on teams, Aaron, so I'm 1958 01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:40.640 gonna call you in shortly. But Chris, I got you 1959 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.319 back on the line. Sorry, time is just flying away 1960 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:46.960 on the here that's fine. 1961 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.239 I h The only other question I had in regards 1962 01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:54.359 to earlier when you were talking about P Diddy, did 1963 01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:56.920 you have ever have any kind of run ins. 1964 01:44:56.760 --> 01:45:01.600 With with Tupac Shakkurl Shakur or and. 1965 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:06.039 Who's the guy suge Knight, sug Knight, That's what I 1966 01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:06.960 was curious about. 1967 01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:13.479 I saw Suge Knight in Pennsylvania once, but never no 1968 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:16.159 run in or anything. And I never was anywhere near 1969 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:21.680 to Pakshakur. But yeah, but I saw suge Knight. Uh 1970 01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:24.039 it was it. Yeah, it was one of the Philly 1971 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:29.279 things that was going on. But because that death Row again, 1972 01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:31.199 this there was this weird thing going on with the 1973 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:34.960 East Coast West Coast deal, and it was like, you know, 1974 01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:39.600 I can't remember even exactly what what was I doing there? Oh, 1975 01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:41.199 I was. I was going out to play this place 1976 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:45.760 called the Cell Block in It's just outside of Philly. 1977 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.640 I think I got to have to look it up 1978 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.279 actually to figure out exactly where it was, but I 1979 01:45:50.359 --> 01:45:53.199 know it was past Philly because Philly was easy to 1980 01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:55.439 get to and at a certain point we ended up 1981 01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:57.359 stopping off in the city. So I was at the 1982 01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:59.760 same place that Suge Knight was at one point, I think, 1983 01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:03.800 but I never actually talked to him or interacted with him. 1984 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:09.680 But okay, those were crazier days. Okay, what can I say? 1985 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:16.479 And the million dollar question is did you ever see Kurt? 1986 01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:20.680 No? No, No, I knew people. I knew people that 1987 01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:23.439 knew Kurt. I knew people that knew Courtney. But a 1988 01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:26.520 matter of fact, funny thing, Jack Blood was actually Courtney's 1989 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:27.520 roommate for a little bit. 1990 01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:31.920 Yeah, he got very, very scared that. 1991 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:34.520 You can see it on my Rumble channel. 1992 01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:36.199 You can see my interview with him. 1993 01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:41.319 I actually felt bad afterwards by even broaching the subject. 1994 01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:45.479 And he was pretty tight lipped about his association with 1995 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:46.119 Courtney Love. 1996 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:47.920 Yeah. I think I tried to tell you he's a 1997 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:50.760 little weird about that because I don't know, he doesn't 1998 01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:55.520 He's got odd sensibilities about that because she was involved 1999 01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:58.680 with a lot of crazy stuff. Man, he was a 2000 01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:00.119 body count there. Ye. 2001 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:02.199 People might think I'm a. 2002 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:06.560 Conspiracy guy, but and I am. But uh yeah, he 2003 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:11.000 those those uh maybe those fears aren't unfounded. 2004 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:14.159 So uh yeah, well Son there. 2005 01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:16.279 I was just always curious because I know you were 2006 01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:17.560 on stage with Lane. 2007 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:19.560 I was always curious if you. 2008 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:22.680 Were on stage was not stage, but it. 2009 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:26.359 Ever came across Kurt, No, I didn't. But uh, but again, 2010 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:28.520 you know, Jack was in the middle of all that stuff. 2011 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:32.439 And it's so strange to me that nobody really talks 2012 01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:34.159 about it all that much. But a lot of those 2013 01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:36.479 Seattle guys are all dead and gone, and all of 2014 01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:39.239 them early, you know, and it's like, oh, it's just 2015 01:47:39.279 --> 01:47:42.399 the rock star thing, it's just the drugs. But I 2016 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:44.079 I got to tell you, I think there's something more 2017 01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:46.079 to it. 2018 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:49.239 Me too, And uh, you know, you look at John. 2019 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:53.800 John Potash's work points to a lot of that stuff, 2020 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:55.960 including the rap stuff. 2021 01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:59.000 All Right. Potash is the only guy I've seen who 2022 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:02.960 goes across the genre and points out some very important things. 2023 01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:07.399 And you know, I was only ever able to give 2024 01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:11.119 him one, one interesting lead on something. I don't know 2025 01:48:11.159 --> 01:48:13.279 if it ever went anywhere, but I guess we'll see 2026 01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:16.199 the next time he puts out a film, because uh, 2027 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:18.399 I gave him. I gave him something interesting. Let me 2028 01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:19.880 just put it to you this way. If something comes 2029 01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:22.880 up and there's like a very serious New Jersey based 2030 01:48:26.239 --> 01:48:29.000 part of the puzzle in the next film he puts out, 2031 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:32.880 then uh, then I'll tell you about it, because it 2032 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.439 don't mean that he worked with it, because there was 2033 01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:39.039 some very weird stuff happening, uh up at a place 2034 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:45.079 called Studio one in Newark, New Jersey, and uh yeah yeah. 2035 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.520 So anyway that between that and the the other bizarre 2036 01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:52.479 stuff at the Limelight, New York. Yeah, I wonder if 2037 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:54.520 he's going to touch on it in a in an 2038 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:58.920 upcoming piece. I guess we'll see. Yeah, anyway, we're almost 2039 01:48:59.000 --> 01:48:59.600 out of time. 2040 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.560 I appreciate I appreciate being here, Chuck. 2041 01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:05.119 I'm sorry, no problem at all, no problem at all, 2042 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:07.199 and glad to have you along. Glad to have you 2043 01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:09.720 along Danny as well. I'm gonna go ahead and put 2044 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.840 you both on hold real fast and give b Pete 2045 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:14.880 the kind of the last word for the week. 2046 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:20.279 Well all, well one than nikn listen free by fast. 2047 01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:23.800 All I can say is, everybody go to tell dot 2048 01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:25.800 com with the donate button, to which came to help 2049 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:28.880 us outs coach local food boats. Thank you Chris and 2050 01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:32.399 Baby for calling you. Looking forward to do the next week? 2051 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:35.000 Look so am I And here's the thing before I go. 2052 01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:36.880 I meant to mention this at the top of the 2053 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:38.520 show and didn't get to it. So I'm gonna have 2054 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:41.159 to keep repeating it over the next couple of shows. 2055 01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:44.600 I would love to hear from you guys, send me 2056 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.479 some ideas about stuff you want covered, because I'm telling 2057 01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:52.159 you now, I'm exhausted from the news. I know I'm 2058 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:55.319 gonna have to I'm gonna be working on a book 2059 01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:58.359 over the next couple of weeks. But outside of that, 2060 01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:00.600 I want to know from you guys what you want 2061 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:04.520 covered on here, because I'm exhausted, I'm tired, and quite frankly, 2062 01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:07.039 i'm bored. I mean, I got a bad tooth, uh 2063 01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:11.720 and some depression kicking in here. So you know, you guys, 2064 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:13.239 tell me what it is you want to hear about, 2065 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.279 and that's what we'll cover on the show. How about 2066 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:19.119 that blind jfk researcher at gmail dot com. You can 2067 01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:21.960 email me there, reach out to me O'Kelly effect on 2068 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:26.359 x Charles O'Kelly now the Chuck O'Kelly page on Facebook. 2069 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:28.600 I can't get back into because I don't have a 2070 01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:31.920 government ID, but you know, reach out to me any 2071 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.159 which way you want, click the email thing on the website, 2072 01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:36.520 whatever you want to do. Let me know what you 2073 01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:39.520 want covered on the show, so I'll be working on 2074 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:41.800 a book and also the Weekly Reader. We're going to 2075 01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:46.279 finally have some releases coming up this week, so that's 2076 01:50:46.359 --> 01:50:48.359 all there is to it. And coming up next on 2077 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:49.600 O'Kelly dot com Radio 2078 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:15.920 Sh