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The reason I 23 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:03,400 asked you to come out. Well, okay, before we do that, 24 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,719 tell everybody a little bit about yourself. You give some background, Peter. 25 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,599 Speaker 2: I grew up in India and then I did my 26 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,759 engineering studies in university in India. I went to do 27 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,280 my master's of Business administration in the United Kingdom from 28 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,560 the University of Manchester. I returned back to India to 29 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:30,759 start subsidiary operations of a British company. I did that 30 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,360 for about five or six years. Then I moved on 31 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:38,319 to doing something very similar for a Swiss company. And 32 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,840 after a period of about seven or eight years, I 33 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:47,759 realized that India was going downhill very rapidly, and I 34 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,919 was starting to think that I was making a lot 35 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,719 of money, but that money was of no use to me. 36 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,240 I had no freedom, I had access pool as a 37 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,960 surrounding of my life. So at one point of time 38 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,039 I applied for immigration to Canada and that's what I did. 39 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,719 I moved to Canada twenty years back, and I have 40 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,319 not regretted that for a second. Now. I advice institutional 41 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:19,039 investors on investing, mostly in the mining companies, but I 42 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,680 also advise some corporations on investing in India. 43 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: Well, the reason I asked you to come on is 44 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:32,840 because last week a discussion started happening in the New 45 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,199 Town Square. We used to be called Twitter, now it's 46 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,680 called X. It'll always be Twitter to me. And apparently 47 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:49,080 it was about H one b Vs's and the discussion 48 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:55,240 got around to importing the top zero point one percent 49 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:59,280 of Indian engineers and it turned into Indian really quick, 50 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,000 and really trying to figure out why it was in 51 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:05,719 German or Swedish or anything else, but I would assume 52 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,719 that has to do with income levels. And a friend 53 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,280 of mine who was I can't remember if he was 54 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,399 at he was at your talk in Bodron in Turkey, 55 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:23,240 at doctor Hoppo's event, but he showed me your video 56 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:28,879 your speech there about India, and I shared it. I 57 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,439 watched it and then I shared it on Twitter, and 58 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:35,879 a lot of hell broke loose. So I asked you 59 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:38,439 to come on so that we could talk about some 60 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:41,759 of the themes that you talked about in there. Now, 61 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,759 first of all, when you hear that these tech oligarchs 62 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,360 whatever we want to call them, elite, let's call them 63 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,000 elites just to be nice, want to import engineers from India. 64 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:56,519 What are your first thoughts? 65 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,519 Speaker 2: Speak up. I haven't spanished the last fifty years of 66 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,879 my life living in Philadelphia and San Francisco, and I 67 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:10,439 have lived among the people who work in the IT sector. 68 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:15,839 Now I know and people in the IT sector know 69 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:20,240 this very well, that people come to the US with 70 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:23,519 fake resumes, and a lot of people who come to 71 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:29,000 the United States on H one bvsas come not because 72 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,439 they are the point one percent of the Indian population, 73 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:34,480 or maybe they are point one percent of the Indian population, 74 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,160 but they're not the smartest people. They come to the 75 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,240 United States because they can do a good copy and 76 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:45,639 paste job, and they can work at a very low salary, 77 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:50,439 which drags down the salaries of Native Americans, which means 78 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:54,120 that they have that much less incentive to go into 79 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,560 the sectors that cheap foreigners can come and do the job. 80 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,759 But now here is the second layer of problem. The 81 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,800 copy and paste job that was believed that Indians could 82 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,839 do very well is turning out to be something that 83 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:13,079 they actually cannot do well. Uh. There are a lot 84 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,000 of problems with those software and people keep telling me 85 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,519 that once those Indians leave the job, or if some 86 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:28,040 some improvement has to be infused into that software. They 87 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,000 have to rewrite the code because the code is so 88 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,600 gobbled up. The way it is written, it is it 89 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:39,519 does not meet the quality standards to which which that 90 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,120 you could just improve that code. You have to redo 91 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,600 the code. But the problem with the managers, the corporate managers, 92 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,160 is that they live for the next quarter. Now I 93 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 work in the capital markets. I know how it works. 94 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,360 What these people are doing is that they are trying 95 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,959 to maximize their earnings for the next quarter without word 96 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,040 about what would happen two years later. And then you 97 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:06,040 have these planes falling off the skies. You have had 98 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 two or three accidents in the last few days. One 99 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,839 has to wonder why are accidents increasing in the Western society. 100 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,519 Are they increasing because certain kind of micro compromises are 101 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:22,439 being made, which means that when no one is looking, 102 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,360 are you still doing a quality job or you are 103 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:31,439 making micro compromises. Now, these micro compromises rapidly add up 104 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,519 in a complex society and lead to devastating consequences. So 105 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,600 I have been with it people for the last fifteen years. 106 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,759 And this is a known thing that a lot, most 107 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,920 of a lot of the resumes are fake. People do 108 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:51,480 lip syncing while doing interviews from India. You can go 109 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:55,279 to offices in India. There are tens of agent offices 110 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:57,800 all over the country, in every city in the country 111 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,000 where you can go and get them to cook up 112 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,920 make fake resumes for you, do fake interviews for you, 113 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,319 not for a very little cost. Actually have few hundred 114 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,079 dollars perhaps and get to the United States. So this 115 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,839 is what hmon B means really, and this has been 116 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,480 known to people and the government people. What boggles my 117 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,079 mind is why have American bureaucrats not taken in action, 118 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,879 because there's no way they don't know about it. I 119 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 think the reason is that these people are making their 120 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:35,440 nice one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars salaries 121 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,720 living in nice houses in New Deli, and they don't 122 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:42,840 want to be politically incorrect and raise the topic of 123 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,279 all this fake resume is circling around. But then you 124 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,200 see a degradation of America happening because you have brought 125 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,320 in cheap people. And finally, Peter, if you are talking 126 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,960 about bringing in the best brains from the world, why 127 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,440 is the minimum salary requirement from for H and B 128 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,200 only sixty thousand dollars per worker. Why is it not 129 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:10,240 a quarter of a million dollar per person? So these 130 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:13,480 are the questions you should be asking. But also you 131 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:17,159 should be asking why should you give up citizenship to 132 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:21,039 people who move in after a few years, because that's 133 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:24,159 not what Japan, Singapore or Hong Kong do. You might 134 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,720 be the most qualified person on the planet, try getting 135 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:31,559 citizenship or prominent residency of Singapore. It's not that easy. 136 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: Have you heard about the what they're having, the trouble 137 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,120 they're having in Canada with the medical system there. Apparently 138 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,000 the doctors that they brought in are they have degrees 139 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,519 showing that they're doctors, but they're actually. 140 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:53,799 Speaker 2: Not so Peter, this is something very common. If you 141 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,960 end up in an ICU in India, you are more 142 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:00,480 likely than not end up in an I see you 143 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,879 with doctors who have doctor in front of their names, 144 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,360 but they are what are called areo vedic doctors or 145 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:14,879 some other profession which gives you a doctor designation, or 146 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,879 they might even have a fake doctor designation in front 147 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:22,440 of them. They're not really doctors. And if you end 148 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,679 up in those icos, you will regret being there because 149 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,759 the nurses will talk non stop all night. They will 150 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:34,320 gossip all night and never come to pay any attention 151 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,320 to you. So, yes, a lot of degrees are fake. 152 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,039 If you want a PhD tomorrow or a week from now, Peter, 153 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:44,080 let me know. I can get it to you for 154 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,759 a few tens of dollars. It's very easy to buy 155 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,799 those off the shelf without actually attending anything. But moreover, 156 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,360 I wrote an article about ten or fifteen years back 157 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:59,360 about the educational system in India. The educational system is 158 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:03,559 so rotten and that I posted a photograph in that 159 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,799 article in which the walls this five or six story 160 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:13,799 building had walls filled with people looking into the windows, 161 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:18,080 and these were people who were helping give Those people 162 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,559 who were giving exams cheat. So that is the level 163 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,879 of educational system in that country. You anything to do 164 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,559 with non professional degrees is basically something that you buy 165 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:34,879 off the shelf. But even if you go to a 166 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:39,320 college or university, your degree is guaranteed. The only thing 167 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:42,080 where you might get a degree and you might be 168 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:46,600 qualified is in medical profession or engineering. But even there 169 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:49,240 I would not be surprised if more than five or 170 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:54,279 ten percent people are actually qualified. Indian employers will tell 171 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,960 you that eighty percent of Indian engineers cannot do big 172 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:06,480 sick algebra calculations equations. They cannot solve basic algebraic equations. 173 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,639 Forget about doing calculus, which is something they should be 174 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,960 capable of doing being engineer. So there is a massive 175 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,120 amount of corruption in the whole system. You should not 176 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,399 trust anything, any certificate that you come across from India. 177 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Some would say that, well, you got your degree in India, 178 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,960 why should anybody trust you. 179 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one should trust it because and thankfully, Peter, 180 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,320 because of you know, because I have always built up 181 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,320 relationship before doing working for people. No one has ever 182 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,279 asked me for a degree. I started working for a 183 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,879 company when I just completed my post graduation in the UK, 184 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,480 and the company is the company I did my international 185 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:57,480 business project for. So yes, I think you should not 186 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,360 trust Indians with any of their degree because you can 187 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:05,600 create fake degrees without any without really much cost. 188 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:10,519 Speaker 1: There talk a little bit about a culture in which 189 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,919 this happens, because every once in a while you hear 190 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:19,159 about something here and you hear that you know, somebody 191 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,879 wasn't a doctor and a bunch of patients died, and 192 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,200 you know it can become a scandal, or if it's 193 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,440 not a scandal, people look down upon it. People want 194 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,840 to know why people it's not accepted here, why is 195 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,639 it so accepted there? And what is What kind of 196 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:44,159 mind would do this? What kind of mind would get 197 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:47,919 a fake doctor's degree knowing that they're potentially going to 198 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,799 hurt other human beings and no. 199 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: One cares about it? Peter, And I know I'm using 200 00:13:55,159 --> 00:14:00,000 this the qualifier no one. I really mean it, because 201 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,120 I can count on my fingers the number of people 202 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,399 who are morally oriented in that country, A number of 203 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,960 people I have ever met with a moral conscience. They 204 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:17,399 simply don't have it. If I can make ten cents 205 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,279 and you might die as a result of it, that 206 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,320 is not a concern for an Indian. He will He 207 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,759 is only interested in the resources he can accumulate. And 208 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:32,440 in fact, if even of a relative, if their parents 209 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 die because of trying to make some money, they have 210 00:14:36,679 --> 00:14:41,120 no problems with that. So that is the overarching culture 211 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,080 of that country. It's an apathetic culture. No one really cares. 212 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,000 And if I can make some money because of your death, 213 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,519 so it pay. So that is the culture. The reason 214 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,159 why you ask that question is Peter, because you assume 215 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:02,360 that caring for other people is natural to human beings. 216 00:15:02,519 --> 00:15:05,720 That is not natural to human beings. There's a vast 217 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,759 population of the world which has never emerged out of 218 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:14,759 its animalistic instincts. I would say about two thirds of 219 00:15:14,759 --> 00:15:20,000 the world's population is submerged in its animalistic instincts, which 220 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,519 is that they care about resource acquisitions, money, power, and sex, 221 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:29,039 and they are happy to compromise everything for those things 222 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,559 as long as the cost is born by people other 223 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:33,799 than themselves. 224 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about why why would the 225 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:44,039 authorities there stand for this? Would Why is there no 226 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,120 one at the top who's looking down and is like, 227 00:15:47,799 --> 00:15:51,320 we can't allow this to happen. It's hurting, it's hurting 228 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:51,799 our people. 229 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,519 Speaker 2: Or they don't care, they don't care, they are they 230 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,120 shrug it off. They not even shrug it off because 231 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:03,679 shrugging takes some energy. I have, Peter, My family members, 232 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:08,600 my relatives, my close friends of my dad's have been 233 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,759 senior politicians in the government, including in the federal government 234 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:17,080 of India. The Chief ministers of India have been people 235 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,960 I have been my dad was very close with. And 236 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,279 I tell you, they don't really don't care if you 237 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,840 get raped, if you get killed, if your limbs get 238 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:28,759 chopped off. They might even laugh it off. That's how 239 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:34,759 sadistic these people are. They simply don't care. The problem is, Peter, again, 240 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,919 I keep returning back to you. You think, just because 241 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,679 of your background, because of your Greeco Roman background, because 242 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:47,039 of your Christian background, you think that ten commandments and 243 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:51,399 caring for other people should come naturally to people. That's 244 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,919 not the case. Even the people who get into very 245 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,080 senior leadership positions simply do not care. And I tell 246 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,399 you they might even laugh it off because they get 247 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:07,759 sadistic pleasure out of it. Remember, people in leadership positions, 248 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:12,240 people in power, really enjoy when you suffer. And the 249 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,519 reason is that they the sadistic pleasure is that they 250 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:20,440 think they cannot face that pain while you are facing 251 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:24,680 that pain. So they they it's a sadistic pleasure that 252 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,400 their their their chair offers them a position where they 253 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,160 can inflict pain on other people and a guarantee in 254 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,640 their minds that they will never suffer that pain themselves. 255 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,440 They do eventually come around to suffering that pain. But 256 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,440 that these are low i Q sadistic people who cannot 257 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,000 think about tomorrow. So so this is the way of 258 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,160 life there. People simply don't care. And and you know, Peter, 259 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,599 you can see this among animals. You know, they if 260 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:57,680 if if a lioness has a cub who has who 261 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,359 is receased, the lioness actually leaves that cup behind. This 262 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,319 is the animalistic instinct. They don't want to spend their 263 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,839 resources on children who might not survive or who might 264 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,559 grow up damaged. But then remember that we are not 265 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,880 different from animals, except that the concept of reason and 266 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,039 the Christianity brought us out of that animal kingdom, gave 267 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,799 us a veneer of civilization. But again, remember two thirds 268 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:37,640 of the world's population has no concept of it. When 269 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,759 you suffer, they laugh at you, when they sleep with 270 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:44,240 your wife. They think it's a way. They think that 271 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:47,160 it's something they have won. They will talk about it 272 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,799 with their friends. Their friends will compliment for it. If 273 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:54,079 someone dies, if they kill someone, if they harm someone, 274 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,920 and if they get away with that, the whole society 275 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,160 will compliment you for this. So it's a society. It 276 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,079 has no moral anchors. And and because it does not 277 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,279 have moral anchors, the only thing that matters is your position, 278 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,519 your power, and whether you can avoid getting into trouble. 279 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:15,599 If you can avoid, if you can get through all 280 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,920 these things, you are a winner in that country. 281 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: One of the things that was brought up this week 282 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,119 when talking about the H one B VSUS and you know, 283 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,720 bringing Indians, bringing Indians, especially people from India in was 284 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:37,079 the fact that there are Indian CEOs and founders and 285 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:46,319 you know vcs in Silicon Valley. I okay, so what 286 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,960 do you what do you say to them when you 287 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:53,160 have somebody who is being held up as look here, 288 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,200 here's somebody who is doing the job and is what 289 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:01,119 they will say is they can't they can't get bye 290 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,079 without these people, that these are essential, essential workers. 291 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: Well so, Peter, I have been living in the Western 292 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,000 society for the last three decades and I have found 293 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,599 people in Germany, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Canada and the United 294 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,079 States to be extraordinarily generous. They give me opportunities and 295 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:28,279 they want to help me without without worrying about the 296 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,799 color of my skin or my religion. They want to 297 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,920 help me out. The Catholics Christian people without even asking 298 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:43,559 people which religion they belong to, would help you out. Now, 299 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:47,039 given that background, the fact that there are so many 300 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:52,920 Indian CEOs in the US. Shows more about the enormous 301 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,440 hearts that Americans have, that they accept people of different 302 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:01,240 religions and different color into this societies and let them 303 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:05,759 progress up based on meritocracy. So the only thing I 304 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,000 see here is the enormity of the hearts of the 305 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:13,079 people who are giving these people who come from these 306 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,640 rest heal holes to rise up in life. So the 307 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,559 only reason you are getting those comments is because these 308 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:25,960 people have no concept of gratitude. Now again, reflect back 309 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,599 to what I told you earlier, that these people have 310 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,359 no moral consciousness, which means that they have no concept 311 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,039 of values. They have no loyalty, no gratitude, So when 312 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:40,480 you help them with something, they think you are fool 313 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,319 and really, Peter, I have helped many Indians in my life, 314 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,079 and on those very very rare occasions, when I wanted 315 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,039 to get help back from one of those, I might 316 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,599 have said, hey, can you help me with that? And 317 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,880 if he did not want to help me out, I 318 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,039 might have reminded that, hey, do you remember I gave 319 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:05,279 you so much help at that time, could you just 320 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:10,079 do this much for me? The answer could easily be that, hey, giant, 321 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,000 you help me because you were for sure getting something 322 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,240 out of me. Then, so they have zero concept of gratitude. 323 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:23,400 They will you can transplant them from a slum to 324 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,960 a billionaire's position, but they will not say thank you 325 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,640 or please to you. So that is the culture these 326 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:35,160 people who comment commented on the Indian CEOs you're talking about. Now, 327 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,759 the other fact is that why aren't there so many 328 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,799 Indian CEOs in some of the top companies. Firstly, as 329 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,440 you saw with Paraga Grubal of Twitter, he goes into 330 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,720 position because he is These are compliant people. They do 331 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,440 what you tell them to do for a good salary 332 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,839 without any moral consciousness. They will ban you from Twitter 333 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,039 because it does not meet you know they don't. They 334 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,039 will shoot you, will kill you because they don't have 335 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:05,440 a moral consciousness. Now again I'm not going to Parague 336 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,839 with that kind of details. I don't know him well, 337 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,279 I don't know him at all. What I'm saying is 338 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,599 they have no inhibitions in banning you in what they 339 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,279 were operating in. The other question is that one out 340 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:20,559 of four, one out of four, one out of five 341 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,880 people on the planet is an Indian. When I'm using 342 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,519 the word Indian, I'm talking about Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi's 343 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,759 one out of four people on the planet is an Indian. Now, 344 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:35,559 if they led to ten or fifteen Indian CEOs in 345 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:39,400 the US, what is the great thing about it? Why 346 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,920 don't you see Chinese CEOs? And the reason, Peter, is 347 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,480 that Chinese economy, the Chinese IT industry, is about six 348 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,359 to seven times that of India's IT industry, and most 349 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,920 of the Chinese IT industry caters to Chinese. The very 350 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,160 best Chinese return back to China. The very best Indians 351 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,480 is stayed back in the United States. And you can 352 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:07,799 see that that data. More and more Chinese are returning 353 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,960 back to China, and more and more Indians are leaving India. 354 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,759 They are even the very rich Indians are leaving for 355 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,359 Dubai and Singapore. So the question is that when you 356 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,119 see so many Indians in higher positions in the Western society, 357 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,400 you're you should not only have gratitude, but you should 358 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,880 also be asking why are the very best Indians not 359 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,799 living in India. Why are they not contributing to India? 360 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,519 Why are they in the United States. So again, this 361 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,319 shows absolutely nothing about the greatness of India. It actually 362 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,240 shows what a what a complete hellhole it is? 363 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,039 Speaker 1: Is it a mistake that we we have that big 364 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,039 heart that we are You know that we're that we 365 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,359 but you know as a as a society, that we're 366 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,000 allowing people who come from this society to come in. 367 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: Peter, I think a lot about this. Uh these days, 368 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,440 I spend a lot of time in Asia. I travel 369 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,920 a lot in China and Japan, and these people bring 370 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,599 in a lot of outsiders these days. But you could 371 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:19,119 be a second or third generation immigrant working in these countries. 372 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,880 There's no hope for you to get even permanent residency. 373 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,960 If you lose your job, you should pack up your 374 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,920 suitcase and go back home. They will never give you 375 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,640 their citizenship. And the thing is that I wonder why 376 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,920 East Asians did not compromise on it. And I sometimes 377 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,039 do think if Western societies is compassion and tolerance has 378 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,799 become cancerous. I do wonder if they should they should 379 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,079 have brought in some accountability to that compassion and tolerance, 380 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,880 because sometimes it has no limits. You just do you 381 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:01,319 keep giving to people who have no gratitude and who 382 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,160 don't want to help you. And you can see this 383 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:08,279 in the comments. You know you talk about H one 384 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,279 B visas and all these Indians will come out talking 385 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,440 about how generous India is that it's supplying all the 386 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:19,960 CEOs to America. Then don't even see that Americans have 387 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,000 the big heart that they gave jobs to these people 388 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:27,720 and let them go up in life. So unfortunately, yes, 389 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,799 there's a problem, Peter, and I might even go further 390 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,400 that Western society has already committed suicide because now the 391 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:42,880 US is guaranteed to be a majority non euroethically non 392 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,400 European society within the next two decades. And you can 393 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,440 already see the reflection of their voting pattern in the 394 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,359 politics of the US. The US politics is becoming increasingly leftist. 395 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,119 And you can also see that in the behavior of Trump. Trump, uh, 396 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,599 then eight years back, was against S one BVSA system, 397 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,599 he was against immigration. But now he has softened his 398 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,920 stand because he knows that the swing vote, not only 399 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,359 just swing vote, but also the majority vote is now 400 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,720 going into the hands of the people who don't have 401 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,839 the European consciousness, the European moral fabric, and the European 402 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:26,720 concept of reason. 403 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the I guess the the argument has always been, 404 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,720 or a really good argument against this is okay. Well, 405 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,960 if all of these immigrants, no matter where they're coming from, 406 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,599 are going to make us so much better, make this 407 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,119 country so much better, so much richer. I think Elon 408 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,079 or Vivague. And I've seen a bunch of people say 409 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:59,319 this that the compared it to a sports team. Oh, 410 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,960 you have a sport sorts team and look at the 411 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480 sports you know, it's like hockey, What would hockey be 412 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,240 with that Russian players? You want the best players from 413 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:09,400 around the world, and it's like, well, sports is a 414 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,279 little different. They may not have the kind of leagues 415 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,640 where you can make the Yeah, why aren't these Indians 416 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,799 staying in India and making India grade? If they're going 417 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,400 to make the United States so great, why can't they 418 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,480 make their own country great. 419 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: When you leave, and when you emigrate, you almost give 420 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,039 a stamp of a cesspool on the country that you 421 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,759 leave behind. So when Muslims leave the Arab countries, or 422 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,319 they leave Pakistan, or when Hindus leave India, they're basically 423 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,400 saying that the countries that they left behind are shitholes 424 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,720 and they see no hope from those countries. So the 425 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,759 fact is that that is what recognition that should come 426 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,920 from them, and I think Western people should insist on 427 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:02,519 that kind of expression from new immigrants that they come 428 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,960 to the West because they see that they're the homes 429 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,759 that they left behind, the religions that they left behind, 430 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,440 and they should probably leave their religions as well. We're 431 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,359 creating systemic problems in their countries, and that they recognize 432 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:23,359 that those the homelands were never going to improve. But again, 433 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:29,160 Western immigration is standards since nineteen seventies are not as 434 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,640 stringent enough. There's too much of political correctness, there's too 435 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,319 much of virtue signaling mixed with compassion and tolerance. And 436 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,839 you don't even know anymore whether the bureaucrat in charge 437 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:43,359 of politician in charge, and I'm talking about, let's say 438 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,640 true of Canada, he's doing what he's doing because of 439 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,400 compassion or because he's virtue signaling as a completely stupid person. 440 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,799 Because now these people have merged into each other. The 441 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,640 truly compassionate and tolerant person will eventually come around to 442 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,960 accepting the reality and he will accept the accountability that 443 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:10,000 his compassion might be creating. But a virtue signaler will 444 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,400 never ever see the mistakes of his decisions because the 445 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,680 costs are borne by other people. Now, Trudeau and Biden 446 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,079 will never have a problem. They will always live a 447 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:26,000 comfortable life. They are rich, they're surrounded by security. Now, 448 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:31,400 if Somalians or Ethiopians or Khalistani crowd create ruckus in 449 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,039 your neighborhood, it's none of their problems. They virtue signals 450 00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,599 that we are all the same. So, unfortunately, you have 451 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,079 also alleviated these people into positions of power with time, 452 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,920 and this is a vicious cycle for the Western society. 453 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: Well, I already mentioned him, So I'll ask you, and 454 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,599 I didn't say that I was going to ask you 455 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,400 this question, so you don't have to answer it if 456 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,279 you don't want to. What's your opinion of a vague. 457 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:06,799 Speaker 2: So I have so as a as an average immigrant, 458 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,599 I'm perfectly fine with him. I think he's a smart guy. 459 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:14,079 He's a he can create value as a businessman, but 460 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,400 he does not belong to the political arena of the 461 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:23,680 United States. You, as a politician, I expect you to 462 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,799 be a philosopher. Now I must say that even Trump 463 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,279 is not a philosopher. I would have still voted for Trump, 464 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,319 but I had if I had the right to vote, 465 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,359 But because the opposing person was one hundred times worse 466 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,799 Kamala Harris. So I would have still voted for from 467 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,720 And I'm I'm still not all that negative about Vivake 468 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,079 or Elon Musk. But the problem is, Peter, that these 469 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:54,359 people don't really understand the cultural aspect of the Third 470 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,640 world people. Because again, look at Vivake. He he came 471 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,599 to the United States, he grew up, from what I understand, 472 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,000 in a comfortable surrounding, in a good environment, in urban situation. 473 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,319 He ended up going into Ivy League College and ended up, 474 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,359 you know, as an entrepreneur. I congratulate him for what 475 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,640 he did. Some people say he became rich by scamming 476 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,000 his investors. I haven't delved deeper into it, but the 477 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:28,519 fact remains, Peter, that these people haven't really explored the spiritual, 478 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,279 the cultural aspects of people of the Third World. And 479 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,640 because they grew up in an environment they did, they 480 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,519 think that that people can be molded into anything they 481 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:46,079 want to be molded into. So this is the erroneous 482 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,480 position they start from. But also I have you know, 483 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:54,400 Vivaque romanticizes Hinduisma. Now you know, I can CHERI pick 484 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,359 good things from any religion in the world. You can 485 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,799 if you provide me ten books from the worst religion 486 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:06,000 on the planet, I can cherry pick and highlight Tennis 487 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Statesman ten state statements that look good from a from 488 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,160 a Western perspective. So he cherry picks Hindus and in 489 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,119 fact comes to conclude that his Hinduism is no different 490 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,680 from Christianity. So he's all confused and lost there. He's 491 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,839 not a person I would want to see in political power. 492 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:31,079 But still I must say that this is how degraded 493 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,359 the politics of the Western world has become today. That 494 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,279 you know, he's still better than Kambala Harris for example, 495 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,519 and a lot of other people who are in Kambla 496 00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:42,240 Harris's steam. 497 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,519 Speaker 1: When you look at India and you see that people 498 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,720 are just out for themselves and they see other people 499 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240 as just like little economic things. You said in your 500 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,480 speech in Berdron that all they care about is either 501 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:05,160 money sex. When you look at how do you see 502 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,920 how a lot of people, especially like the tech people, 503 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,960 the business people, they only look at the business aspect 504 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,320 of our culture, of our nation, and they don't look 505 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,400 at the cultural aspects. And that's one of the reasons why. 506 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, Peter, if you remember a lot of people complain 507 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,920 about what China did to Jackma. I don't know if 508 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719 you remember this story. Jackma is one of the richest 509 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,039 Chinese and he was trying to lobby with the government. 510 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,480 I'm just trying it kind of, you know, putting it 511 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,360 in shot. What was happening that time. He was trying 512 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000 to lobby the government, and he was trying to influence 513 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,000 the government. And basically Chinese government said, hey, it's not 514 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,760 your job to influence the government. Get out of the 515 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,679 job of governance. And I think all these lobbiests in 516 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,039 Washington should be closed down because it's not the job 517 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:08,719 of businesses to influence influence the government. Public policy should 518 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,239 be devoid of business lobbying. Now, for a business, getting 519 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,679 cheap workers is always beneficial in the short term. For 520 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,719 the business businesses, it's always beneficial to compromise in the 521 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,800 short term for the next quarter. And this is what 522 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,039 I see all the time. It is the job of 523 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,400 the institutions to ensure that such compromises don't happen, which 524 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,760 firstly starts with the fact that you should not let Hindu, 525 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:45,800 Muslim lobbies, African lobbies, or any kind of lobbies. Business 526 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,719 lobbies to exist in Washington. There should be, in my 527 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,480 view of constitutional provision to get rid of these people 528 00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,519 because they are undemocratically and I don't like democracy anyway, 529 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,599 but they are even subverting them democracy by their lobbying efforts, 530 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,599 and they spend billions of dollars on tens of billions 531 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,800 of dollars on lobbying. 532 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: Going forward. What is the best way to educate people 533 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,119 on this? I mean, there are a lot of people 534 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:25,320 out there who would have you believe that we need 535 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:31,039 every good engineer in India to come here. I mean, 536 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,679 how do you how do you even begin to talk 537 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,159 because there's two arguments. There's oh, you know, you don't 538 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,760 want us to succeed, which is just a red herring, 539 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,159 or you're racist. I mean it's like, I mean, I'm 540 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,440 not really I'm not scared of those getting called these 541 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,079 things anymore, you know. So what's what's one of the 542 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,760 best ways to talk to people about this? 543 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, China is not importing the most educated people. It's 544 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,440 creating it's own educated class. So we should America should 545 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,480 be creating its own educated class. But also look at 546 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:13,719 Switzerland or Iceland, they don't have all as many immigrants 547 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,719 working in top positions or not the kind of people 548 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,079 who eventually get citizenship. So why should America have to 549 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,559 import all these people for our artificial intelligence? Now, how 550 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,760 different your life will be, Peter, if you had artificial 551 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,079 intelligence in a more advanced form around you, if you 552 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:35,519 have had GPT six or seven or ten, how much 553 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,639 difference will it make to your life? Do you really 554 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,679 need to do this deep dive into artificial intelligence over 555 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,400 the next two years. I'm in no hurry about it. 556 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,159 In fact, most of the artificial intelligence that I see 557 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,400 is so woke and politically correct that it gives me cringes. 558 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,400 When I try to look for some information on GPT, 559 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,639 the response is almost invariably woke and leftist. Peter, look 560 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,400 back to nineteen nineties. Nineteen nineties, USA was a great country. 561 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719 It was the best country on the planet. It continues 562 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,480 to be the best country on the planet. Nineteen sixties 563 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:20,079 and seventies, America was at the top of everything. Why 564 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,800 what makes you think that letting immigrants change anything? Now? 565 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:30,760 I can't prove the contrafectual, but had America not changed 566 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,639 its immigration policy, would America have been a better country? 567 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,559 And my best guess is Peter, and I'm reasonably confident 568 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:40,920 within my own mind that America would have been a 569 00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,719 much better country had America not opened its gates for 570 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,360 all those people. Maybe, and very likely a lot more 571 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,400 Americans would have risen into positions of it that you 572 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,639 now need foreigners for. But moreover, more importantly, you would 573 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,000 not have in the long term, destroyed your society by 574 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,320 culturally diluting it by people who will not participate in 575 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360 your values, who will eventually destroy your values because they 576 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,880 make fun of you, they think you're stupid, by giving 577 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:22,079 them higher positions and higher salaries and giving them positions 578 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:27,159 of power. So how have you really improved your society? 579 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,400 I mean, you are more worried about going out because 580 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,360 there's more crime in the US, and crime continues to grow. 581 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,159 When I moved to Canada, Canada was this rustic village 582 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,800 like place, even Vancouver, quiet, clean, peaceful, very polite. Now 583 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,559 you have brought in all the immigrants, what have you 584 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:54,239 actually achieved? I mean more, there's a huge amount of crime. Now, 585 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,159 there's a lot of homelessness, there's a lot of drug addiction. 586 00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:01,280 So how have I actually improved by opening up the 587 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:02,639 gates for immigrants? 588 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: Well, and then you throw DEI into that. I was 589 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,039 listening to I think it was Scott Adams this morning 590 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,119 and he was talking about how six percent of the 591 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,599 new hires or six percent of hiring in the United States, 592 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:23,440 and I think even in the tech industry is white, 593 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,239 white European males. So not only are you bring not 594 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,559 only are you bringing in people to take jobs that 595 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,159 they probably can't do well, which is why we're having 596 00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,559 a competency crisis and all these things. And then you 597 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,480 bring in very cheap, cheap labor, which you flood the 598 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,400 country with tons of people. That drives the price of 599 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,800 everything up, housing, everything, And then you take the people 600 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,239 who historically, you know, put you on the moon, gave you, 601 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,440 gave you aircraft that could you know, could fly into 602 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,599 almost to the atmosphere, you know, into space, and you 603 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:09,280 just say, no, you can't, you can't have you can't 604 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,960 work anymore. So how would we even how do we 605 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,679 even begin to It seems to me that you can't 606 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:25,960 even have a conversation about bringing foreign people into do 607 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,760 this job and destroy the culture of you know, of 608 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,280 the United States and the until you deal with the 609 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,119 fact that the people who's grant whose heritage American people 610 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,079 whose you know, family built this country can't get work 611 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,880 or kept out of work. 612 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why, Peter I was saying earlier that I 613 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,000 quite often think about whether the compassion and tolerance that 614 00:41:56,119 --> 00:42:00,159 Western people have has gone cancerous and got mixed with 615 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,440 these virtue signaling psychopaths. Because really the people in power 616 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,199 today are virtue signaling psychopaths. They are similar to the immoral, 617 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,840 amoral Indians that I was describing earlier. These people don't 618 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,679 care about you. They have risen into positions of power. 619 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,840 They are billionaires, They live in gated communities, they are 620 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,039 surrounded by security, so they don't care about you and me. 621 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:28,559 So the bigger issue, of course, is that the greater 622 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,000 mass of Americans, the greater mass of best ethnically European people, 623 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:39,239 have let their compassion and tolerance be taken advantage of, 624 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:44,639 and they have themselves a big you know they Peter. Remember, 625 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,119 civilization does not exist in nature. You have to fight 626 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:52,360 for it. You have to let blood flow to create 627 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,840 a civilization. It's a very painful process. Look at the 628 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,159 history of Europe over the last three millennia. It's full 629 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:03,880 of blood and fights and wars, and slaughters, and that 630 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,239 you know, out of all that churning and blood bath, 631 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,519 you lead to a civilization. And you can only preserve 632 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,719 your civilization by being prepared to fight. You can't be 633 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,320 a pacifist and say that, hey, I'm not going to 634 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,760 fight anymore. I just want to want harmony and peace. No, 635 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,639 of course, harmony and peace is what I aim for 636 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:28,039 as well, but that can only sustain if, at the 637 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,000 end of the day, you are prepared to take your 638 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,199 sword out and fight for what is right and stand 639 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,119 up for what is right. The problem is that, and 640 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,199 this is the case with a lot of my American 641 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,840 and Canadian friends, and I'm talking about ethnically European, Canadian 642 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,000 and American friends, they want to protect. They don't want 643 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,920 to say anything politically incorrect because they don't want to 644 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,440 lose their jobs. They don't want to compromise on their salaries. 645 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,119 The reality is that you can't maintain a civilization unless 646 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,800 you are prepared to stand out and fight for what 647 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,320 is right, Otherwise you will lose your civilization. Peace and 648 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,360 harmony cannot exist among passivists. It has to exist. It 649 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,239 can only exist among people who can rise up and 650 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,199 fight when the time comes. 651 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: Well, one of the things you mentioned there was virtue signaling, 652 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,800 and along with virtue signaling just basically comes hate. And 653 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:27,400 they have a specific enmity towards European whites. I mean 654 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:33,360 they come out and say it. There's tons of montage 655 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,840 clips on the internet with just mainstream media talking about how, 656 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,639 you know, celebrating that whites aren't going to be the 657 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,079 I mean, so you know, you talk about you know, 658 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,679 this attitude and having as you know, pulling out your 659 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,400 sword and getting ready to fight. I mean, you know, 660 00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,719 the scary part is is that it may just have 661 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,239 to come down to that because the language and the 662 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,119 enmity that I mean, we're talking about hate here. There 663 00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,280 was a Mark Potok was a guy who worked at 664 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,559 the Southern Poverty Law Center who counted down every year 665 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,159 on a piece of paper on his monitor at work, 666 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,119 the percentage of how white America was. I mean, he 667 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,760 was counting the days until America was no longer a 668 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,320 majority white. This is this is pure enmity. 669 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,079 Speaker 2: So Peter, and I might add that you haven't really 670 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,000 met an average African or average Indians so far. So 671 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,199 let's let's try to understand that America did not really 672 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,599 have many Indians, and I'm when I'm using Indians, I'm 673 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,360 not being biased against Indians. It's just a term I 674 00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:53,039 used for third white people and I can back it 675 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,800 with evidence more when i'm when it comes to Indians. 676 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,480 But it's the same for Africans and a lot of 677 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:02,960 Latin Americans as well. Now, until the nineties, there were 678 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,360 not many Indians in the United States. It was in 679 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,079 early nineties that Indians started coming. So most of the 680 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,920 five million Indians that live in the United States came 681 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,840 over the last three decades or so. Now a lot 682 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,079 of these people are either among the richer class of 683 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,079 Indians or the educated class of Indians. So if you'll 684 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,719 imagine a bell curve, you are looking at the tail 685 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:33,519 end of Indians who came over to the US. Now, 686 00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:37,320 despite being the top one percent of Indians, among the 687 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,159 top one percent of Indians, their average salaries is still 688 00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,320 only one hundred and twenty six thousand dollars per family. 689 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,760 So for one percent of for the very top tail 690 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,400 ened Indians, they are really doing horribly horribly. Now, what 691 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,360 you have so far is the tail end of the 692 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,519 Bell curve. You have still not experience the average Indian 693 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,400 and as I like to say Peter, once you have 694 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:10,719 started experiencing the average Indian, you will start wondering how 695 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,360 does this person manages to walk straight? That is the 696 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:20,119 kind of uh wretchness and the degradation that exists in 697 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:26,760 the average population of India. Again, Europeans worry at nauseum 698 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,119 about people from North Africa and the Arab world, and 699 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,679 I completely agree with them that they haven't really experienced 700 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,639 enough of what happens when people from Sub Saharan Africa 701 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,159 come because Sub Saharan Africans are still finding it difficult 702 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:47,239 to meet the challenges post by a Sahara desert. So 703 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,840 you haven't really met the an average Westerner hasn't really 704 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,360 met the average person from the Third world. When that 705 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,000 they come, you will be devastated. 706 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I took it upon myself to read, and I'm 707 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400 sure if you haven't read it, you know of it. 708 00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,679 And it may be overly hyperbolic, but genre spous Camp 709 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:14,039 of the Saints. 710 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,599 Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. Many people have suggested to 711 00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,599 me that I should read it, but I haven't come 712 00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:20,320 around to it. 713 00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: And it was I think he wrote it in seventy one, 714 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,400 seventy two. I read the whole thing on my show 715 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:31,119 in like eighteen episodes, over eighteen episodes, and yeah, basically, 716 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,719 the whole point of it was that the people who 717 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,400 were coming here hated us, they wanted revenge upon us 718 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,760 because of what we had. And then the other part 719 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,400 of it is the people who were already here, you know, 720 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,159 the natives who not only were like, oh, we need 721 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,599 to help these people were like, well, we probably deserve it. 722 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,639 We probably deserve what we're going to get. And a 723 00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,039 lot of people say that the book is just completely 724 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:08,320 over hyperbolic. These people can't hate us that much, well 725 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,639 do they? 726 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 2: So? So, Peter, remember that again, think about ten commandments. 727 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,039 Ten commandments don't exist in nature. It came in to 728 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:25,400 exist after a churning of a millennia or two millennia 729 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,239 long churning within a society with a lot of pain 730 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,199 and struggles. Now, one of the commandments is not to 731 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,119 be envious. Now, remember, and this is this could come 732 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,239 as a shock to me because if you grew up 733 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,599 in a family in a society where ten commandments are 734 00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,440 taken as granted, even if you're an atheist, if you 735 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,480 take those as granted, you might be shocked at what 736 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,719 I'm going to say. You might think that envy is 737 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,840 something that we are aware about. A lot of third 738 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,719 world people have no concept of They don't understand when 739 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,320 they are jealous because they don't have the Ten Commandments 740 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,440 in their lives. They don't have the moral fabric in 741 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:16,000 their life. So these people are openly jealous. I'm constrained 742 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,880 by their consciousness because their consciousness has no concept of 743 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,800 restraining your envy. Now, Peter, you know I have felt envious. 744 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,559 I'm sure most people feel envious at one point of time. 745 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,360 But you know, you become conscious of that envy when 746 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,760 it emerges in your heart, and you try to restrain 747 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,599 it because you know that that envy is irrational and immoral, 748 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,199 because and that happens because you're conscious that you are envious. 749 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,400 But they are third world societies, and I'm talking about 750 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,280 all third world societies who don't have the concept of envy. 751 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,079 So what will they do? They envy you and they 752 00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:59,679 hate you. But there's another element to why the third 753 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,800 world people will hate you eventually, and the reason is, Peter, 754 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,000 that their hearts and minds are still in the third world. 755 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,719 The third world are third world countries because of the 756 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,920 people that live in the Third World, and they create 757 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,400 a cultural ecology that is conducive to their psyches. They 758 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,320 need the noise, they need the chaos, they need the 759 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,840 poop smell around them. They need all those distractions to 760 00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:30,800 deal with their existential crisis. So they it's when you, 761 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,239 as a foreigner, think that, hey, these guys need clean 762 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,920 suet system or water palms and water supply to their homes. No, 763 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,280 they don't need it because they created an ecology that 764 00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:47,360 is conducive to their psyche and they need all those 765 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,599 chaos and fights and arguments and emotionalism to continue living. 766 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,599 And a relative of mindset this very nicely one day 767 00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,280 to me. She said to me that, giant, giant, you 768 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,039 have to fight with your husband. Otherwise what can keep 769 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:07,719 you your relationship going. So fighting becomes a bond for 770 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,840 them that they know that they can pass their time 771 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:14,960 get emotional, and then after emotionalism is over, they can 772 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,480 become feel better about each other when the catharsis kicks in. 773 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,880 So you have to understand the psyche. Now, the only 774 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,639 reason they come to the West is for money, because 775 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:31,400 money is very easy. Now, remember, you make very likely 776 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,320 make in a day what an Indian makes in about 777 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:39,599 two or three months. So that's the difference in salaries. 778 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:42,239 It's a fifty two hundred to two hundred times difference 779 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,079 of salaries. I can get someone to work for me 780 00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,199 in my city of Bopaul for about four dollars a 781 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,519 day and without anything, any benefit. I don't provide him food, 782 00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:58,079 no tea, no time off, no vacation, nothing. Four dollars 783 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:01,880 a day and that's it, no vacations. So these people 784 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,599 come to the United States, and I'm talking right now 785 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:09,519 about point one percent top layer, top tail and Indians 786 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,599 coming to the United States only for money because they 787 00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:17,599 can't find money in that country. But their heart belongs 788 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,280 to their own culture. They want the chaos, they want 789 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719 the poop is smell, because that is what deals with 790 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:31,440 the psyche. Now, remember, an immoral, irrational, animalistic body needs 791 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:37,199 animalistic existence, like a pig who needs the cesspool to 792 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,519 go into. It needs the cesspool to wallow into. And 793 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,639 you have to really imagine this thing applying to certain people. 794 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,159 You can give a pig a nice bath and it 795 00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:51,480 will immediately return back to the cesspool to and follow 796 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:55,280 in it. So now they come to the US for money, 797 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,400 and their heart is in what they left behind. What 798 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,679 do you think they will do? They will come to 799 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,320 hate you because they eventually think that you remove them 800 00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:12,960 from their homeless for your benefits and they are in 801 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,239 the US to help you out because without their charity, 802 00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,719 you wouldn't be able to continue living. So that is 803 00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:27,119 and you know, their mindset mixed with this virtue signaling 804 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:34,280 progressive woe mindsets of psychopaths in the Western countries has 805 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,920 created this predicament. And yes, they will hate you, and 806 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,800 the hatred will increase with every passing generation because eventually 807 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,039 a guy who comes from Zimbabwe next year in twenty 808 00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:51,280 twenty five in his children will eventually won't ask for 809 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,519 reparations without any concept of the fact that his parents 810 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,920 might have had no relationship with the past of America. 811 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,519 But that's that's the system we exist in today. 812 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think I think that's a perfect place to 813 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,480 end it on because that I think that'll give a 814 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,639 lot of people. That'll get people something to chew on. 815 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,000 So do you have anything that you want to promote 816 00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:19,599 before we end this? 817 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 2: Well, I run a philosophy seminar in Vancouver every year. Peter. 818 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,039 The next one is on the twenty third of August 819 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:33,960 twenty twenty five, and it is held in downtown Vancouver, 820 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,039 and it's a forum for free speech. You can come 821 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,159 and speak, you know, I bring in speakers who might 822 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,400 be of very opposing ideas. But I want to provide 823 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,239 a forum for free speech and encouragement and bring awareness 824 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,960 of the fact that Western values and Western civilization did 825 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,480 not come up from nowhere. It required a struggle of 826 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,199 several millennia. So I hope to pass on a message 827 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,239 to a minority of people that if we lose what 828 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,480 we have, we are unlikely to ever get it. 829 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: All right, Giant, I will go to your website and 830 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,320 get a link for that, and I'll provide it. See 831 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,360 if anybody who's in the area. I have a bunch 832 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,280 of friends up in the Pacific Northwest, so they might uh, 833 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,480 they might enjoy that. And thank you, thank you. It's 834 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,719 great to meet you, and I appreciate your candor and 835 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,480 your honesty. 836 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:38,760 Speaker 2: Peter, thanks very much for the opportunity. H