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How are you doing, Giant, I'm very well, Peter, how
are you. I'm doing good, doing good. The reason I
asked you to come out. Well, okay, before we do that,
tell everybody a little bit about yourself. You give some background, Peter.
Speaker 2: I grew up in India and then I did my
engineering studies in university in India. I went to do
my master's of Business administration in the United Kingdom from
the University of Manchester. I returned back to India to
start subsidiary operations of a British company. I did that
for about five or six years. Then I moved on
to doing something very similar for a Swiss company. And
after a period of about seven or eight years, I
realized that India was going downhill very rapidly, and I
was starting to think that I was making a lot
of money, but that money was of no use to me.
I had no freedom, I had access pool as a
surrounding of my life. So at one point of time
I applied for immigration to Canada and that's what I did.
I moved to Canada twenty years back, and I have
not regretted that for a second. Now. I advice institutional
investors on investing, mostly in the mining companies, but I
also advise some corporations on investing in India.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I asked you to come on is
because last week a discussion started happening in the New
Town Square. We used to be called Twitter, now it's
called X. It'll always be Twitter to me. And apparently
it was about H one b Vs's and the discussion
got around to importing the top zero point one percent
of Indian engineers and it turned into Indian really quick,
and really trying to figure out why it was in
German or Swedish or anything else, but I would assume
that has to do with income levels. And a friend
of mine who was I can't remember if he was
at he was at your talk in Bodron in Turkey,
at doctor Hoppo's event, but he showed me your video
your speech there about India, and I shared it. I
watched it and then I shared it on Twitter, and
a lot of hell broke loose. So I asked you
to come on so that we could talk about some
of the themes that you talked about in there. Now,
first of all, when you hear that these tech oligarchs
whatever we want to call them, elite, let's call them
elites just to be nice, want to import engineers from India.
What are your first thoughts?
Speaker 2: Speak up. I haven't spanished the last fifty years of
my life living in Philadelphia and San Francisco, and I
have lived among the people who work in the IT sector.
Now I know and people in the IT sector know
this very well, that people come to the US with
fake resumes, and a lot of people who come to
the United States on H one bvsas come not because
they are the point one percent of the Indian population,
or maybe they are point one percent of the Indian population,
but they're not the smartest people. They come to the
United States because they can do a good copy and
paste job, and they can work at a very low salary,
which drags down the salaries of Native Americans, which means
that they have that much less incentive to go into
the sectors that cheap foreigners can come and do the job.
But now here is the second layer of problem. The
copy and paste job that was believed that Indians could
do very well is turning out to be something that
they actually cannot do well. Uh. There are a lot
of problems with those software and people keep telling me
that once those Indians leave the job, or if some
some improvement has to be infused into that software. They
have to rewrite the code because the code is so
gobbled up. The way it is written, it is it
does not meet the quality standards to which which that
you could just improve that code. You have to redo
the code. But the problem with the managers, the corporate managers,
is that they live for the next quarter. Now I
work in the capital markets. I know how it works.
What these people are doing is that they are trying
to maximize their earnings for the next quarter without word
about what would happen two years later. And then you
have these planes falling off the skies. You have had
two or three accidents in the last few days. One
has to wonder why are accidents increasing in the Western society.
Are they increasing because certain kind of micro compromises are
being made, which means that when no one is looking,
are you still doing a quality job or you are
making micro compromises. Now, these micro compromises rapidly add up
in a complex society and lead to devastating consequences. So
I have been with it people for the last fifteen years.
And this is a known thing that a lot, most
of a lot of the resumes are fake. People do
lip syncing while doing interviews from India. You can go
to offices in India. There are tens of agent offices
all over the country, in every city in the country
where you can go and get them to cook up
make fake resumes for you, do fake interviews for you,
not for a very little cost. Actually have few hundred
dollars perhaps and get to the United States. So this
is what hmon B means really, and this has been
known to people and the government people. What boggles my
mind is why have American bureaucrats not taken in action,
because there's no way they don't know about it. I
think the reason is that these people are making their
nice one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars salaries
living in nice houses in New Deli, and they don't
want to be politically incorrect and raise the topic of
all this fake resume is circling around. But then you
see a degradation of America happening because you have brought
in cheap people. And finally, Peter, if you are talking
about bringing in the best brains from the world, why
is the minimum salary requirement from for H and B
only sixty thousand dollars per worker. Why is it not
a quarter of a million dollar per person? So these
are the questions you should be asking. But also you
should be asking why should you give up citizenship to
people who move in after a few years, because that's
not what Japan, Singapore or Hong Kong do. You might
be the most qualified person on the planet, try getting
citizenship or prominent residency of Singapore. It's not that easy.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about the what they're having, the trouble
they're having in Canada with the medical system there. Apparently
the doctors that they brought in are they have degrees
showing that they're doctors, but they're actually.
Speaker 2: Not so Peter, this is something very common. If you
end up in an ICU in India, you are more
likely than not end up in an I see you
with doctors who have doctor in front of their names,
but they are what are called areo vedic doctors or
some other profession which gives you a doctor designation, or
they might even have a fake doctor designation in front
of them. They're not really doctors. And if you end
up in those icos, you will regret being there because
the nurses will talk non stop all night. They will
gossip all night and never come to pay any attention
to you. So, yes, a lot of degrees are fake.
If you want a PhD tomorrow or a week from now, Peter,
let me know. I can get it to you for
a few tens of dollars. It's very easy to buy
those off the shelf without actually attending anything. But moreover,
I wrote an article about ten or fifteen years back
about the educational system in India. The educational system is
so rotten and that I posted a photograph in that
article in which the walls this five or six story
building had walls filled with people looking into the windows,
and these were people who were helping give Those people
who were giving exams cheat. So that is the level
of educational system in that country. You anything to do
with non professional degrees is basically something that you buy
off the shelf. But even if you go to a
college or university, your degree is guaranteed. The only thing
where you might get a degree and you might be
qualified is in medical profession or engineering. But even there
I would not be surprised if more than five or
ten percent people are actually qualified. Indian employers will tell
you that eighty percent of Indian engineers cannot do big
sick algebra calculations equations. They cannot solve basic algebraic equations.
Forget about doing calculus, which is something they should be
capable of doing being engineer. So there is a massive
amount of corruption in the whole system. You should not
trust anything, any certificate that you come across from India.
Speaker 1: Some would say that, well, you got your degree in India,
why should anybody trust you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one should trust it because and thankfully, Peter,
because of you know, because I have always built up
relationship before doing working for people. No one has ever
asked me for a degree. I started working for a
company when I just completed my post graduation in the UK,
and the company is the company I did my international
business project for. So yes, I think you should not
trust Indians with any of their degree because you can
create fake degrees without any without really much cost.
Speaker 1: There talk a little bit about a culture in which
this happens, because every once in a while you hear
about something here and you hear that you know, somebody
wasn't a doctor and a bunch of patients died, and
you know it can become a scandal, or if it's
not a scandal, people look down upon it. People want
to know why people it's not accepted here, why is
it so accepted there? And what is What kind of
mind would do this? What kind of mind would get
a fake doctor's degree knowing that they're potentially going to
hurt other human beings and no.
Speaker 2: One cares about it? Peter, And I know I'm using
this the qualifier no one. I really mean it, because
I can count on my fingers the number of people
who are morally oriented in that country, A number of
people I have ever met with a moral conscience. They
simply don't have it. If I can make ten cents
and you might die as a result of it, that
is not a concern for an Indian. He will He
is only interested in the resources he can accumulate. And
in fact, if even of a relative, if their parents
die because of trying to make some money, they have
no problems with that. So that is the overarching culture
of that country. It's an apathetic culture. No one really cares.
And if I can make some money because of your death,
so it pay. So that is the culture. The reason
why you ask that question is Peter, because you assume
that caring for other people is natural to human beings.
That is not natural to human beings. There's a vast
population of the world which has never emerged out of
its animalistic instincts. I would say about two thirds of
the world's population is submerged in its animalistic instincts, which
is that they care about resource acquisitions, money, power, and sex,
and they are happy to compromise everything for those things
as long as the cost is born by people other
than themselves.
Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about why why would the
authorities there stand for this? Would Why is there no
one at the top who's looking down and is like,
we can't allow this to happen. It's hurting, it's hurting
our people.
Speaker 2: Or they don't care, they don't care, they are they
shrug it off. They not even shrug it off because
shrugging takes some energy. I have, Peter, My family members,
my relatives, my close friends of my dad's have been
senior politicians in the government, including in the federal government
of India. The Chief ministers of India have been people
I have been my dad was very close with. And
I tell you, they don't really don't care if you
get raped, if you get killed, if your limbs get
chopped off. They might even laugh it off. That's how
sadistic these people are. They simply don't care. The problem is, Peter, again,
I keep returning back to you. You think, just because
of your background, because of your Greeco Roman background, because
of your Christian background, you think that ten commandments and
caring for other people should come naturally to people. That's
not the case. Even the people who get into very
senior leadership positions simply do not care. And I tell
you they might even laugh it off because they get
sadistic pleasure out of it. Remember, people in leadership positions,
people in power, really enjoy when you suffer. And the
reason is that they the sadistic pleasure is that they
think they cannot face that pain while you are facing
that pain. So they they it's a sadistic pleasure that
their their their chair offers them a position where they
can inflict pain on other people and a guarantee in
their minds that they will never suffer that pain themselves.
They do eventually come around to suffering that pain. But
that these are low i Q sadistic people who cannot
think about tomorrow. So so this is the way of
life there. People simply don't care. And and you know, Peter,
you can see this among animals. You know, they if
if if a lioness has a cub who has who
is receased, the lioness actually leaves that cup behind. This
is the animalistic instinct. They don't want to spend their
resources on children who might not survive or who might
grow up damaged. But then remember that we are not
different from animals, except that the concept of reason and
the Christianity brought us out of that animal kingdom, gave
us a veneer of civilization. But again, remember two thirds
of the world's population has no concept of it. When
you suffer, they laugh at you, when they sleep with
your wife. They think it's a way. They think that
it's something they have won. They will talk about it
with their friends. Their friends will compliment for it. If
someone dies, if they kill someone, if they harm someone,
and if they get away with that, the whole society
will compliment you for this. So it's a society. It
has no moral anchors. And and because it does not
have moral anchors, the only thing that matters is your position,
your power, and whether you can avoid getting into trouble.
If you can avoid, if you can get through all
these things, you are a winner in that country.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was brought up this week
when talking about the H one B VSUS and you know,
bringing Indians, bringing Indians, especially people from India in was
the fact that there are Indian CEOs and founders and
you know vcs in Silicon Valley. I okay, so what
do you what do you say to them when you
have somebody who is being held up as look here,
here's somebody who is doing the job and is what
they will say is they can't they can't get bye
without these people, that these are essential, essential workers.
Speaker 2: Well so, Peter, I have been living in the Western
society for the last three decades and I have found
people in Germany, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Canada and the United
States to be extraordinarily generous. They give me opportunities and
they want to help me without without worrying about the
color of my skin or my religion. They want to
help me out. The Catholics Christian people without even asking
people which religion they belong to, would help you out. Now,
given that background, the fact that there are so many
Indian CEOs in the US. Shows more about the enormous
hearts that Americans have, that they accept people of different
religions and different color into this societies and let them
progress up based on meritocracy. So the only thing I
see here is the enormity of the hearts of the
people who are giving these people who come from these
rest heal holes to rise up in life. So the
only reason you are getting those comments is because these
people have no concept of gratitude. Now again, reflect back
to what I told you earlier, that these people have
no moral consciousness, which means that they have no concept
of values. They have no loyalty, no gratitude, So when
you help them with something, they think you are fool
and really, Peter, I have helped many Indians in my life,
and on those very very rare occasions, when I wanted
to get help back from one of those, I might
have said, hey, can you help me with that? And
if he did not want to help me out, I
might have reminded that, hey, do you remember I gave
you so much help at that time, could you just
do this much for me? The answer could easily be that, hey, giant,
you help me because you were for sure getting something
out of me. Then, so they have zero concept of gratitude.
They will you can transplant them from a slum to
a billionaire's position, but they will not say thank you
or please to you. So that is the culture these
people who comment commented on the Indian CEOs you're talking about. Now,
the other fact is that why aren't there so many
Indian CEOs in some of the top companies. Firstly, as
you saw with Paraga Grubal of Twitter, he goes into
position because he is These are compliant people. They do
what you tell them to do for a good salary
without any moral consciousness. They will ban you from Twitter
because it does not meet you know they don't. They
will shoot you, will kill you because they don't have
a moral consciousness. Now again I'm not going to Parague
with that kind of details. I don't know him well,
I don't know him at all. What I'm saying is
they have no inhibitions in banning you in what they
were operating in. The other question is that one out
of four, one out of four, one out of five
people on the planet is an Indian. When I'm using
the word Indian, I'm talking about Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi's
one out of four people on the planet is an Indian. Now,
if they led to ten or fifteen Indian CEOs in
the US, what is the great thing about it? Why
don't you see Chinese CEOs? And the reason, Peter, is
that Chinese economy, the Chinese IT industry, is about six
to seven times that of India's IT industry, and most
of the Chinese IT industry caters to Chinese. The very
best Chinese return back to China. The very best Indians
is stayed back in the United States. And you can
see that that data. More and more Chinese are returning
back to China, and more and more Indians are leaving India.
They are even the very rich Indians are leaving for
Dubai and Singapore. So the question is that when you
see so many Indians in higher positions in the Western society,
you're you should not only have gratitude, but you should
also be asking why are the very best Indians not
living in India. Why are they not contributing to India?
Why are they in the United States. So again, this
shows absolutely nothing about the greatness of India. It actually
shows what a what a complete hellhole it is?
Speaker 1: Is it a mistake that we we have that big
heart that we are You know that we're that we
but you know as a as a society, that we're
allowing people who come from this society to come in.
Speaker 2: Peter, I think a lot about this. Uh these days,
I spend a lot of time in Asia. I travel
a lot in China and Japan, and these people bring
in a lot of outsiders these days. But you could
be a second or third generation immigrant working in these countries.
There's no hope for you to get even permanent residency.
If you lose your job, you should pack up your
suitcase and go back home. They will never give you
their citizenship. And the thing is that I wonder why
East Asians did not compromise on it. And I sometimes
do think if Western societies is compassion and tolerance has
become cancerous. I do wonder if they should they should
have brought in some accountability to that compassion and tolerance,
because sometimes it has no limits. You just do you
keep giving to people who have no gratitude and who
don't want to help you. And you can see this
in the comments. You know you talk about H one
B visas and all these Indians will come out talking
about how generous India is that it's supplying all the
CEOs to America. Then don't even see that Americans have
the big heart that they gave jobs to these people
and let them go up in life. So unfortunately, yes,
there's a problem, Peter, and I might even go further
that Western society has already committed suicide because now the
US is guaranteed to be a majority non euroethically non
European society within the next two decades. And you can
already see the reflection of their voting pattern in the
politics of the US. The US politics is becoming increasingly leftist.
And you can also see that in the behavior of Trump. Trump, uh,
then eight years back, was against S one BVSA system,
he was against immigration. But now he has softened his
stand because he knows that the swing vote, not only
just swing vote, but also the majority vote is now
going into the hands of the people who don't have
the European consciousness, the European moral fabric, and the European
concept of reason.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the I guess the the argument has always been,
or a really good argument against this is okay. Well,
if all of these immigrants, no matter where they're coming from,
are going to make us so much better, make this
country so much better, so much richer. I think Elon
or Vivague. And I've seen a bunch of people say
this that the compared it to a sports team. Oh,
you have a sport sorts team and look at the
sports you know, it's like hockey, What would hockey be
with that Russian players? You want the best players from
around the world, and it's like, well, sports is a
little different. They may not have the kind of leagues
where you can make the Yeah, why aren't these Indians
staying in India and making India grade? If they're going
to make the United States so great, why can't they
make their own country great.
Speaker 2: When you leave, and when you emigrate, you almost give
a stamp of a cesspool on the country that you
leave behind. So when Muslims leave the Arab countries, or
they leave Pakistan, or when Hindus leave India, they're basically
saying that the countries that they left behind are shitholes
and they see no hope from those countries. So the
fact is that that is what recognition that should come
from them, and I think Western people should insist on
that kind of expression from new immigrants that they come
to the West because they see that they're the homes
that they left behind, the religions that they left behind,
and they should probably leave their religions as well. We're
creating systemic problems in their countries, and that they recognize
that those the homelands were never going to improve. But again,
Western immigration is standards since nineteen seventies are not as
stringent enough. There's too much of political correctness, there's too
much of virtue signaling mixed with compassion and tolerance. And
you don't even know anymore whether the bureaucrat in charge
of politician in charge, and I'm talking about, let's say
true of Canada, he's doing what he's doing because of
compassion or because he's virtue signaling as a completely stupid person.
Because now these people have merged into each other. The
truly compassionate and tolerant person will eventually come around to
accepting the reality and he will accept the accountability that
his compassion might be creating. But a virtue signaler will
never ever see the mistakes of his decisions because the
costs are borne by other people. Now, Trudeau and Biden
will never have a problem. They will always live a
comfortable life. They are rich, they're surrounded by security. Now,
if Somalians or Ethiopians or Khalistani crowd create ruckus in
your neighborhood, it's none of their problems. They virtue signals
that we are all the same. So, unfortunately, you have
also alleviated these people into positions of power with time,
and this is a vicious cycle for the Western society.
Speaker 1: Well, I already mentioned him, So I'll ask you, and
I didn't say that I was going to ask you
this question, so you don't have to answer it if
you don't want to. What's your opinion of a vague.
Speaker 2: So I have so as a as an average immigrant,
I'm perfectly fine with him. I think he's a smart guy.
He's a he can create value as a businessman, but
he does not belong to the political arena of the
United States. You, as a politician, I expect you to
be a philosopher. Now I must say that even Trump
is not a philosopher. I would have still voted for Trump,
but I had if I had the right to vote,
But because the opposing person was one hundred times worse
Kamala Harris. So I would have still voted for from
And I'm I'm still not all that negative about Vivake
or Elon Musk. But the problem is, Peter, that these
people don't really understand the cultural aspect of the Third
world people. Because again, look at Vivake. He he came
to the United States, he grew up, from what I understand,
in a comfortable surrounding, in a good environment, in urban situation.
He ended up going into Ivy League College and ended up,
you know, as an entrepreneur. I congratulate him for what
he did. Some people say he became rich by scamming
his investors. I haven't delved deeper into it, but the
fact remains, Peter, that these people haven't really explored the spiritual,
the cultural aspects of people of the Third World. And
because they grew up in an environment they did, they
think that that people can be molded into anything they
want to be molded into. So this is the erroneous
position they start from. But also I have you know,
Vivaque romanticizes Hinduisma. Now you know, I can CHERI pick
good things from any religion in the world. You can
if you provide me ten books from the worst religion
on the planet, I can cherry pick and highlight Tennis
Statesman ten state statements that look good from a from
a Western perspective. So he cherry picks Hindus and in
fact comes to conclude that his Hinduism is no different
from Christianity. So he's all confused and lost there. He's
not a person I would want to see in political power.
But still I must say that this is how degraded
the politics of the Western world has become today. That
you know, he's still better than Kambala Harris for example,
and a lot of other people who are in Kambla
Harris's steam.
Speaker 1: When you look at India and you see that people
are just out for themselves and they see other people
as just like little economic things. You said in your
speech in Berdron that all they care about is either
money sex. When you look at how do you see
how a lot of people, especially like the tech people,
the business people, they only look at the business aspect
of our culture, of our nation, and they don't look
at the cultural aspects. And that's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 2: Well, Peter, if you remember a lot of people complain
about what China did to Jackma. I don't know if
you remember this story. Jackma is one of the richest
Chinese and he was trying to lobby with the government.
I'm just trying it kind of, you know, putting it
in shot. What was happening that time. He was trying
to lobby the government, and he was trying to influence
the government. And basically Chinese government said, hey, it's not
your job to influence the government. Get out of the
job of governance. And I think all these lobbiests in
Washington should be closed down because it's not the job
of businesses to influence influence the government. Public policy should
be devoid of business lobbying. Now, for a business, getting
cheap workers is always beneficial in the short term. For
the business businesses, it's always beneficial to compromise in the
short term for the next quarter. And this is what
I see all the time. It is the job of
the institutions to ensure that such compromises don't happen, which
firstly starts with the fact that you should not let Hindu,
Muslim lobbies, African lobbies, or any kind of lobbies. Business
lobbies to exist in Washington. There should be, in my
view of constitutional provision to get rid of these people
because they are undemocratically and I don't like democracy anyway,
but they are even subverting them democracy by their lobbying efforts,
and they spend billions of dollars on tens of billions
of dollars on lobbying.
Speaker 1: Going forward. What is the best way to educate people
on this? I mean, there are a lot of people
out there who would have you believe that we need
every good engineer in India to come here. I mean,
how do you how do you even begin to talk
because there's two arguments. There's oh, you know, you don't
want us to succeed, which is just a red herring,
or you're racist. I mean it's like, I mean, I'm
not really I'm not scared of those getting called these
things anymore, you know. So what's what's one of the
best ways to talk to people about this?
Speaker 2: Well, China is not importing the most educated people. It's
creating it's own educated class. So we should America should
be creating its own educated class. But also look at
Switzerland or Iceland, they don't have all as many immigrants
working in top positions or not the kind of people
who eventually get citizenship. So why should America have to
import all these people for our artificial intelligence? Now, how
different your life will be, Peter, if you had artificial
intelligence in a more advanced form around you, if you
have had GPT six or seven or ten, how much
difference will it make to your life? Do you really
need to do this deep dive into artificial intelligence over
the next two years. I'm in no hurry about it.
In fact, most of the artificial intelligence that I see
is so woke and politically correct that it gives me cringes.
When I try to look for some information on GPT,
the response is almost invariably woke and leftist. Peter, look
back to nineteen nineties. Nineteen nineties, USA was a great country.
It was the best country on the planet. It continues
to be the best country on the planet. Nineteen sixties
and seventies, America was at the top of everything. Why
what makes you think that letting immigrants change anything? Now?
I can't prove the contrafectual, but had America not changed
its immigration policy, would America have been a better country?
And my best guess is Peter, and I'm reasonably confident
within my own mind that America would have been a
much better country had America not opened its gates for
all those people. Maybe, and very likely a lot more
Americans would have risen into positions of it that you
now need foreigners for. But moreover, more importantly, you would
not have in the long term, destroyed your society by
culturally diluting it by people who will not participate in
your values, who will eventually destroy your values because they
make fun of you, they think you're stupid, by giving
them higher positions and higher salaries and giving them positions
of power. So how have you really improved your society?
I mean, you are more worried about going out because
there's more crime in the US, and crime continues to grow.
When I moved to Canada, Canada was this rustic village
like place, even Vancouver, quiet, clean, peaceful, very polite. Now
you have brought in all the immigrants, what have you
actually achieved? I mean more, there's a huge amount of crime. Now,
there's a lot of homelessness, there's a lot of drug addiction.
So how have I actually improved by opening up the
gates for immigrants?
Speaker 1: Well, and then you throw DEI into that. I was
listening to I think it was Scott Adams this morning
and he was talking about how six percent of the
new hires or six percent of hiring in the United States,
and I think even in the tech industry is white,
white European males. So not only are you bring not
only are you bringing in people to take jobs that
they probably can't do well, which is why we're having
a competency crisis and all these things. And then you
bring in very cheap, cheap labor, which you flood the
country with tons of people. That drives the price of
everything up, housing, everything, And then you take the people
who historically, you know, put you on the moon, gave you,
gave you aircraft that could you know, could fly into
almost to the atmosphere, you know, into space, and you
just say, no, you can't, you can't have you can't
work anymore. So how would we even how do we
even begin to It seems to me that you can't
even have a conversation about bringing foreign people into do
this job and destroy the culture of you know, of
the United States and the until you deal with the
fact that the people who's grant whose heritage American people
whose you know, family built this country can't get work
or kept out of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why, Peter I was saying earlier that I
quite often think about whether the compassion and tolerance that
Western people have has gone cancerous and got mixed with
these virtue signaling psychopaths. Because really the people in power
today are virtue signaling psychopaths. They are similar to the immoral,
amoral Indians that I was describing earlier. These people don't
care about you. They have risen into positions of power.
They are billionaires, They live in gated communities, they are
surrounded by security, so they don't care about you and me.
So the bigger issue, of course, is that the greater
mass of Americans, the greater mass of best ethnically European people,
have let their compassion and tolerance be taken advantage of,
and they have themselves a big you know they Peter. Remember,
civilization does not exist in nature. You have to fight
for it. You have to let blood flow to create
a civilization. It's a very painful process. Look at the
history of Europe over the last three millennia. It's full
of blood and fights and wars, and slaughters, and that
you know, out of all that churning and blood bath,
you lead to a civilization. And you can only preserve
your civilization by being prepared to fight. You can't be
a pacifist and say that, hey, I'm not going to
fight anymore. I just want to want harmony and peace. No,
of course, harmony and peace is what I aim for
as well, but that can only sustain if, at the
end of the day, you are prepared to take your
sword out and fight for what is right and stand
up for what is right. The problem is that, and
this is the case with a lot of my American
and Canadian friends, and I'm talking about ethnically European, Canadian
and American friends, they want to protect. They don't want
to say anything politically incorrect because they don't want to
lose their jobs. They don't want to compromise on their salaries.
The reality is that you can't maintain a civilization unless
you are prepared to stand out and fight for what
is right, Otherwise you will lose your civilization. Peace and
harmony cannot exist among passivists. It has to exist. It
can only exist among people who can rise up and
fight when the time comes.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things you mentioned there was virtue signaling,
and along with virtue signaling just basically comes hate. And
they have a specific enmity towards European whites. I mean
they come out and say it. There's tons of montage
clips on the internet with just mainstream media talking about how,
you know, celebrating that whites aren't going to be the
I mean, so you know, you talk about you know,
this attitude and having as you know, pulling out your
sword and getting ready to fight. I mean, you know,
the scary part is is that it may just have
to come down to that because the language and the
enmity that I mean, we're talking about hate here. There
was a Mark Potok was a guy who worked at
the Southern Poverty Law Center who counted down every year
on a piece of paper on his monitor at work,
the percentage of how white America was. I mean, he
was counting the days until America was no longer a
majority white. This is this is pure enmity.
Speaker 2: So Peter, and I might add that you haven't really
met an average African or average Indians so far. So
let's let's try to understand that America did not really
have many Indians, and I'm when I'm using Indians, I'm
not being biased against Indians. It's just a term I
used for third white people and I can back it
with evidence more when i'm when it comes to Indians.
But it's the same for Africans and a lot of
Latin Americans as well. Now, until the nineties, there were
not many Indians in the United States. It was in
early nineties that Indians started coming. So most of the
five million Indians that live in the United States came
over the last three decades or so. Now a lot
of these people are either among the richer class of
Indians or the educated class of Indians. So if you'll
imagine a bell curve, you are looking at the tail
end of Indians who came over to the US. Now,
despite being the top one percent of Indians, among the
top one percent of Indians, their average salaries is still
only one hundred and twenty six thousand dollars per family.
So for one percent of for the very top tail
ened Indians, they are really doing horribly horribly. Now, what
you have so far is the tail end of the
Bell curve. You have still not experience the average Indian
and as I like to say Peter, once you have
started experiencing the average Indian, you will start wondering how
does this person manages to walk straight? That is the
kind of uh wretchness and the degradation that exists in
the average population of India. Again, Europeans worry at nauseum
about people from North Africa and the Arab world, and
I completely agree with them that they haven't really experienced
enough of what happens when people from Sub Saharan Africa
come because Sub Saharan Africans are still finding it difficult
to meet the challenges post by a Sahara desert. So
you haven't really met the an average Westerner hasn't really
met the average person from the Third world. When that
they come, you will be devastated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I took it upon myself to read, and I'm
sure if you haven't read it, you know of it.
And it may be overly hyperbolic, but genre spous Camp
of the Saints.
Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. Many people have suggested to
me that I should read it, but I haven't come
around to it.
Speaker 1: And it was I think he wrote it in seventy one,
seventy two. I read the whole thing on my show
in like eighteen episodes, over eighteen episodes, and yeah, basically,
the whole point of it was that the people who
were coming here hated us, they wanted revenge upon us
because of what we had. And then the other part
of it is the people who were already here, you know,
the natives who not only were like, oh, we need
to help these people were like, well, we probably deserve it.
We probably deserve what we're going to get. And a
lot of people say that the book is just completely
over hyperbolic. These people can't hate us that much, well
do they?
Speaker 2: So? So, Peter, remember that again, think about ten commandments.
Ten commandments don't exist in nature. It came in to
exist after a churning of a millennia or two millennia
long churning within a society with a lot of pain
and struggles. Now, one of the commandments is not to
be envious. Now, remember, and this is this could come
as a shock to me because if you grew up
in a family in a society where ten commandments are
taken as granted, even if you're an atheist, if you
take those as granted, you might be shocked at what
I'm going to say. You might think that envy is
something that we are aware about. A lot of third
world people have no concept of They don't understand when
they are jealous because they don't have the Ten Commandments
in their lives. They don't have the moral fabric in
their life. So these people are openly jealous. I'm constrained
by their consciousness because their consciousness has no concept of
restraining your envy. Now, Peter, you know I have felt envious.
I'm sure most people feel envious at one point of time.
But you know, you become conscious of that envy when
it emerges in your heart, and you try to restrain
it because you know that that envy is irrational and immoral,
because and that happens because you're conscious that you are envious.
But they are third world societies, and I'm talking about
all third world societies who don't have the concept of envy.
So what will they do? They envy you and they
hate you. But there's another element to why the third
world people will hate you eventually, and the reason is, Peter,
that their hearts and minds are still in the third world.
The third world are third world countries because of the
people that live in the Third World, and they create
a cultural ecology that is conducive to their psyches. They
need the noise, they need the chaos, they need the
poop smell around them. They need all those distractions to
deal with their existential crisis. So they it's when you,
as a foreigner, think that, hey, these guys need clean
suet system or water palms and water supply to their homes. No,
they don't need it because they created an ecology that
is conducive to their psyche and they need all those
chaos and fights and arguments and emotionalism to continue living.
And a relative of mindset this very nicely one day
to me. She said to me that, giant, giant, you
have to fight with your husband. Otherwise what can keep
you your relationship going. So fighting becomes a bond for
them that they know that they can pass their time
get emotional, and then after emotionalism is over, they can
become feel better about each other when the catharsis kicks in.
So you have to understand the psyche. Now, the only
reason they come to the West is for money, because
money is very easy. Now, remember, you make very likely
make in a day what an Indian makes in about
two or three months. So that's the difference in salaries.
It's a fifty two hundred to two hundred times difference
of salaries. I can get someone to work for me
in my city of Bopaul for about four dollars a
day and without anything, any benefit. I don't provide him food,
no tea, no time off, no vacation, nothing. Four dollars
a day and that's it, no vacations. So these people
come to the United States, and I'm talking right now
about point one percent top layer, top tail and Indians
coming to the United States only for money because they
can't find money in that country. But their heart belongs
to their own culture. They want the chaos, they want
the poop is smell, because that is what deals with
the psyche. Now, remember, an immoral, irrational, animalistic body needs
animalistic existence, like a pig who needs the cesspool to
go into. It needs the cesspool to wallow into. And
you have to really imagine this thing applying to certain people.
You can give a pig a nice bath and it
will immediately return back to the cesspool to and follow
in it. So now they come to the US for money,
and their heart is in what they left behind. What
do you think they will do? They will come to
hate you because they eventually think that you remove them
from their homeless for your benefits and they are in
the US to help you out because without their charity,
you wouldn't be able to continue living. So that is
and you know, their mindset mixed with this virtue signaling
progressive woe mindsets of psychopaths in the Western countries has
created this predicament. And yes, they will hate you, and
the hatred will increase with every passing generation because eventually
a guy who comes from Zimbabwe next year in twenty
twenty five in his children will eventually won't ask for
reparations without any concept of the fact that his parents
might have had no relationship with the past of America.
But that's that's the system we exist in today.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think that's a perfect place to
end it on because that I think that'll give a
lot of people. That'll get people something to chew on.
So do you have anything that you want to promote
before we end this?
Speaker 2: Well, I run a philosophy seminar in Vancouver every year. Peter.
The next one is on the twenty third of August
twenty twenty five, and it is held in downtown Vancouver,
and it's a forum for free speech. You can come
and speak, you know, I bring in speakers who might
be of very opposing ideas. But I want to provide
a forum for free speech and encouragement and bring awareness
of the fact that Western values and Western civilization did
not come up from nowhere. It required a struggle of
several millennia. So I hope to pass on a message
to a minority of people that if we lose what
we have, we are unlikely to ever get it.
Speaker 1: All right, Giant, I will go to your website and
get a link for that, and I'll provide it. See
if anybody who's in the area. I have a bunch
of friends up in the Pacific Northwest, so they might uh,
they might enjoy that. And thank you, thank you. It's
great to meet you, and I appreciate your candor and
your honesty.
Speaker 2: Peter, thanks very much for the opportunity. H